 Hello everybody. This is my first time actually hosting Bryce on to my show today and welcome to spiritual perspectives of our great awakening. I'm so excited because we have Cindy coming on to the show today and we are going to talk about Hathor. How are you guys doing today? Good. That was same before we started filming. This is not my second time filming from a bedroom, from a bed, so you see my camera wobbling about. It's because it's on a pillow. I'm still not in Atlanta, so we're just making do with what we have, but I'm super excited. I got back in time to do this episode with you ladies. Yeah. How are you, Cindy? I'm doing good. I'm here at the yoga studio, taught a class earlier this morning, and I was reading up. I was preparing too. I love, you know, talking about Hathor and was reading up a little bit before we got on today. Yay. Yay. So I just started reading a little bit about Hathor in the Sophia code book. I'm currently reading through that right now, and ever so slowly I'm reading through it during my busy work schedule and everything, but I really wanted to start, you know, covering more of like the goddesses and everything like that because they're so twisted, you know, the way that the powers that be have portrayed them. And so I think it's important that we understand just what these Ascended Masters did, their importance, a little bit of their background and everything. So the audience understands that, you know, there's a bigger picture and all of this. So with that said, Cindy, I will let you take the wheel on Hathor. Oh my gosh. Well, I also, I have the book that Sophia can actually have me here with me as well. And I love the way that she talked about Hathor in this book. In my experience in the working with Hathor, the first time I really worked with her, I felt like she just came in and rearranged my whole intern. I feel that the part of her essence or her magic, her mastery, you know, it goes through many realms, but for us as humans, it's learning how to master our human body into awakening and not just everything that the human body entails. I mean, our human body is nothing but pure energy. And in the Sophia mode, Hathor has talked about how we're made up of electrons and Bryce has talked about that. I think we had that conversation before on your channel and understanding that our body is this quantum thing and how powerful it is, how powerful our body is, how powerful our voice is. And when, like I said, when I worked with Hathor, I think it was last fall. I mean, I really felt like it was, it was a really intense experience. So it was right after I had gotten sick with, I don't know how you, how y'all feel, the beer flu, the beer, the beer bug, yeah, and I had it gone through, you know, my, my body had gone through like this major fever and this major cleansing. And when I had that, you know, I had fever and I had started my, my period at the same time. Like, so I was in this major, major, I don't know what you call it, ketone mode. And I kept seeing also like a lot of things, the, the flower of life, you know, the sacred geometry on the flower of life, that kept coming in a lot too. And again, it just felt like this very intense, alfamical kind of experience through my body. But after that, like, it lasted, and then there was a whole mental rearranging, I think that happened as well with my mind. I mean, I went through just, it almost felt like a mini dark night, like there was just emotional things that were, were coming up and then I thought that I had dealt with, you know, how that happens, right? You think that, you know, and then it comes up, like, come from, so it was just this full spiraling, like this spiraling inwards, but then eventually, you know, a couple of weeks, it's decided to pass. And on the other side of that, I had so much energy, so much momentum, so much motivation, and like, new information, just new information kept coming in through that. Well, I like sharing that because that's, that's what happened to me when working with Haphor. I really did feel like I was rearranged, and I feel like that's largely part of what she does is that she helps us to clear cleanse our body, our mind, our throat, our heart, our energetic system, so that we can be the clearest vessel that's possible for our time itself. But learning, like learning mastery over our body, too, like true mastery over our body, as sovereign beings, as manifesters, as co-creators, and this is the whole process of understanding all the bits and details and the power that resides within our body, activating it to its fullest potential so that we can live our best life. Can we talk about the virus thing for a minute, because this is something, Stephanie, I've spoken about, and this is something I cannot reiterate enough, because here in the Western world, especially as of the last couple of years, I think we forgot, we forget the potency of viruses. They're not a bad thing. And in fact, in the East, they're, they're necessary. It's the burning away of, of the old Samskara, of the old patterning. And you talked about that, like it's, when you're able to see that, I mean, of course, it sucks when you're going through that. I mean, hello, who likes to be hanging their head over a toilet vomiting? Like it's not fun, you know, but there's a spiritual process that is happening. We've talked about this, Stephanie, when you can't, when you're, when you have these, these pathways throughout your physical body that are energetic, the energetic body is feeding that physical body. And that's where that bondage is happening through your own shit, basically your own, your own mental bondage. And when you start to break down those patternings, especially old ones that have been around, you know, you might have inherited them from your ancestors. Who knows? It takes like a fire. It takes a virus. It takes something to come in to like just, we have a joke where Guruji used to say like, well, a new body is making, new body is making. But what he didn't tell you is the old body has to break first before the new one can make. And that's the same thing with energetic patternings. These old patterns have to burn up. And sometimes that results in a virus that results in a fever. It's the same thing when you're on your period, it's that deep. And the fact that it happened all together with you, Cindy, God, God has a sense of humor with that one. That was rough. I want to add to that, too, Bryce. Oh, sorry. I didn't, sorry. Go ahead, Cindy. No, I was just responding to that. I mean, that was like, what the? Coming out of every hole, right? Like every, like literally every. Oh my God. And it's interesting you bring this up, too, because I don't know if I've ever mentioned this on my channel or yours, Bryce, but back in, I would say, middle of 2020, I hadn't fully awakened to this whole realization or reality of what exactly is going on. But I was, I was going through a period of time where I was like little by little and I remember I'd wake up really, really, really early in the morning because, you know, generally most people, if you're normal to some extent, you have a full bladder when you wake up, you got to relieve yourself and not to get gross here. But I would like break out in a wicked fever that lasted maybe five minutes and I would get so weak that I fall on the ground. And I was getting concerned. It went away. But now looking back at it and knowing what I know now, I'm realizing that my body was upgrading and it was allowing some old stuff to be released and then the new to come on in now that I know better. And so the other thing that would happen is the ringing in the ears would happen and then I'd break out in a fever again. And I mean, only last five to 10 minutes. It was the weirdest thing and I did not understand it at the time because coming from the Western medical world that I was in to to a regular doctor, that could be like a heart condition or you need to get this test done and that test done. And now that I know, especially thanks to Bryce, you know, you have taught me a lot about this stuff. I realized that it was releasing of the old so the new could come in and then it was weird because then I had a massive spiritual awakening after I went to the front of that because it was happening almost every morning. So yeah, I mean, our bodies are quite magnificent in the in the magazine he just do and even in the half or because, you know, like half or I said, Magdalene, it's up the same, the same lineage, but they talk about the body as the chat like your body is the whole grail. I mean, your body is the actual tower. You look like you hold the bloodline of the consciousness and the highest consciousness within your bloodline. And the mastery of our body. I mean, that is how all these these high priestesses, the ascended masters, that's how they they knew how to heal. And that's how they knew how to how to create how they knew how to travel between timelines. They understood that their their bodies with quantum in that they could coexist here and in another lifetime at the same time or they can, you know, like energetically be at two or three different places at the same time that comes from mastery of the body and understanding what the full potential of our human body is. Now, most of us don't don't quite to there, but that in essence, to me, the way I see it is what an ascended master is. They have a full awakening and knowing, of course, of their of their eternalness of their soul, of their, you know, all that, but also of how this instrument works. And they have full control of that instrument in yoga. So I know through, you know, a lot of the practices in the ancient yogis, they didn't have to train their body to, you know, to not bring but still be alive to meditate to do all these things because it was it's part of it's part of the mastery is this is understanding what your full what your full potential is and just how powerful you are through like through the body, through your instruments, through your thinking, through the vibrational tone that you cut out with your voice, with your words, with your resonance, that you are energetic and you're always putting out a resonance frequency. And through that frequency, you're a magnet that you're attracting things to you. It's the full understanding of all those things. Yeah, it's interesting into the second sutras. Patanjali says that you're learning how to master your senses. And from through everything that I've experienced, and I'm still haven't mastered that yet, you know, it's still a practice. But the more you really hone in on the subtle body to the more you realize you first start to acknowledge how much your senses are actually mastering you and you're not mastering your senses and so you learn how to then take that step. And how many people do we see that are afraid, they're afraid of sensation, they're afraid. But that's what these beautiful ancient practices are teaching you is how to actually understand your and I mean, Patanjali even says like future pain can be avoided. Future if you learn how to enter the third and fourth part of they get into like the cities, what we call in yoga is cities and I'm a bad lady for even talking about them because we're not supposed to even talk about them. But if you read a lot of like Ram Das's books, it even when a Bhagavan Das's book, they talk about Maharajee, their guru, they literally witnessed him making food multiply the way that Yasha would did in the Bible, they made he made apples multiply. There was one scene I think it was Ram Das, maybe it was Bhagavan Das was driving in India and Maharajee was in the passenger seat beside them and they were having a chit chat and they look over and he was gone. And then a few minutes later, he was back again. He learned how to control because the nature is and we talked about this, Stephanie, it's like in the Western world, we've been taught that our body is just our body. You get cancer, if you get all this kind of stuff, it's just your it's just your body, you inherit it, whatever. Whereas when you get into the Eastern philosophy, you realize, actually, it's your energy, that subtle part of you that is manifesting these things within yourself. And that's what you're learning to control is that it's like a glove. It's like the hand in the glove is what's controlling the glove. The glove is just love that energy in your hand. I think too, you know, we're so programmed to think, you know, externally, like what what we see is what we believe. And it goes far beyond that. And I wanted to bring up the whole how half or could be in two worlds at once because that was something I was very interested in actually asking you, Cindy, was what I was reading about was she had this lifetime on earth, but she also was simultaneously in Syria for the Syrian planet. Also, I don't know she went back and forth or she was simultaneously living two different lifetimes, two different timelines together. But that impressed me. And I mean, we've been so lied to that these things are literally and they're possible. And I think these are things we're going to probably start learning about in the future and everything like that. But I don't know if you know more about that where she was in between earth and the Syrian planet. Well, the yeah, the way I understand it in the book is she did have a human experience and that that it was back along like before at land before Limerion. And it was during one of the golden ages where the people that were on this planet had more than understanding of things that we're not quite as awakened to. Yes, nothing that we're awakened to. And a lot of that information was simply more available. And the positive in her human experience, she had an understanding of the fact that we're quantum being through the electron. If you go through the Sophia pose or one of her activations, if she activates all the electrons within your body and electrons or quantum particles that travel almost at the speed of light, I actually researched this before for a video that I did, our electrons don't quite travel at the speed of light, but they almost travel at the speed of light. If our electrons travel at the speed of light, we wouldn't be in form. But they come really close to that. And then we have trillions and trillions and trillions of them within the body. And the way that Hathor explains it in the book is that that's the first vehicle to our soul. Like our higher self extends through every single electron in our body. And if we could just like awaken and remember them. That is what gives us the capacity to understand ourselves more as these quantum being through the physical body, you know, through the energetic body, then also through our resonance through our voice, through actual vibration and sound and through just like our heart, you know, our heart chakra. And when she was on earth, that was what she was known for. She was she was known for that. That was that that was her like her highest teaching. And yeah, and we're going to leave. Yes, and that's what also gave her the capacity to exist within different. That's amazing. Like her self here, her self there. She was not. It was I said, it was more the Oracle of the Earth. But anyway, she had she just that she had that that potential. And what was interesting to it in this book is Mother Mary is also a teacher of your voice and that the mother Mary also understood Hathor, like this, this, these specific teachings of Hathor about our bodies, about truly awakening the voice and to let our voice to be a representation of our higher self and that this is one of that you got your collarbone and that this space right here. And if you don't do it, you know, if you don't do it, you can feel a vibration that's coming through. And that's like the gateway, the gateway to. You know, massive creation. And yeah, so it has to are like new, new, this. She knew the information to all of this and pass on that knowledge in her while she was on Earth. And then. Yeah, and now it translates over into, you know, her being the Egyptian goddess, the way we know her. You know, she would come in with these horns. I didn't see her like the horns in this. You know, you have like a disc in the horns and she would manifest through this. She was like, it's the cow goddess. But that was also her shape. This thing, like I said, was a shape. Differently as well. And you would see her with her feathers and, you know, half or was a shape shifter and they would capture her like the cow goddess, but also the goddess of fertility of abundance of all these things as well. That's how it passed on through the, you know, just the more traditional life. Now, Hathor was also a major influence in Isis, correct? Like you taught Isis a lot of what Isis knew. Is that accurate? That's the way I understand it. Yeah. That Hathor was an essence first. And then Isis learned the teachings of Hathor. And in the addition line, they got in that. Like Hathor and Isis kind of came once. Even though they were too separate, you know, a lot of their stuff got in mess. And sometimes you will see Isis with the same disc. Like Isis has a disc, Hathor has a disc because their teachings actually got in mesh with one another. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. You know, it's interesting. I want us to think that shape shifting is something that's bad, you know. I'm glad you're bringing the software, the lizard people do it, all that kind of stuff. But we're all, we all have that ability. We all have the, now granted, if I, I've said it on my channel before, like if I was going to shape shift anything, it would be for me to constantly have a six pack without having to exercise. No, I'm just kidding. But no, it's, we all have that ability. And if you think about it, like the rate in which, like you can, we do change. You can tell when someone's upset. Your shape shifts by the energy of being upset by being angry, you already see that happening. And our body is constantly in a state of evolving and changing. That's why it's nature. It's always going to change because it has a, it has an expiration date. But I want to get back to being the idea of being in two places at once. Now, this is something that I knew about long before the Great Awakening started because this is a topic of conversation that comes up a lot with the law of one with the Cassiopeans. And I myself have been told by many people that I am personally existing on this earth plane and in the Galactics. I've been told that by multiple, that my, a part of myself is also in the Galactics right now existing in that higher plane of existence. You know, but me and my lower self, I'm like, you know, what's she doing up there? I don't know, what does her outfit look like? I don't know, you know, but I hope it's pretty. I hope it's pretty. But that is something that I have, especially for what they say for it, I don't want to say more evolved souls. So I don't think that's, I don't think that's necessarily the case, but more of souls that are maybe used to being in a place where they've been more of like a warrior type in the sense of like, they have a job to do. And so a fractal of that soul will decide to come down to the earth plane while another fractal will stay up in, you know, another realm and be doing something else. And sometimes we know with the concept of twin flames that a soul can split into two bodies as well. But yet in the quantum, those twins are always together. The souls are all, they're never apart from each other. And so it's this mind blowing concept for us, mortal, mere mortal humans that are dealing with the mere mortal brain, you know, the brain. We talk about this in yoga a lot. The brain is just a muscle. It's just an organ, like the heart. It has a job to do in your sure survival. But you also have your consciousness and your psyche and all these things together make up your own thought process. But when we start to separate the way we analytically look at something, you can actually feel the difference where the brain can't possibly understand this because the brain recognizes patterns. The brain is looking to survive. The brain is trying to figure out what's going to keep you on this earth plane alive. Whereas the consciousness though, if you shift it, your consciousness can kind of understand it. You know, can kind of go, oh yeah, that resonates. Like yeah, that actually resonates. The first time somebody said that to me, I was like, yeah, that kind of makes sense. I don't understand it, but that kind of makes sense. There's something that resonates. And I think part of this great awakening is, you know, the brain, the analytical brain does have a purpose. It does have a very important purpose. You wouldn't be able to drive a car without it. You know, like you wouldn't be able to like feed yourself without it or survive. But to be able to kind of flip the awareness into more of that conscious state of understanding the quantum more. And that's something that we've kind of been robbed up to in this timeline. We weren't, my parents didn't talk to me about this. Like we didn't go to school learning about this. So, you know. Part of the great awakening is entering this Christ consciousness state where, you know, it's not just understanding that we've been lied to our whole lives, but it's like, there's these gifts and powers that have been completely hidden from us in that we're going into a different state of consciousness. So I think going forward, we'll eventually start to remember these things if we had these abilities in a past life or whatnot. I don't know what your take is on that, you guys, but I'm thinking that we will start to remember things as we shift into the fourth density positive, but that fifth density consciousness, the Christ consciousness. Well, you know, we had, we met a lot of us and you know, I've done it through my work. We have the capacity to access different parts of our lives, our past lives. Like I've done past life regressions, you know, past life regression, my self past life regressions with people where you begin to access memories of when you existed within another, you know, within another lifetime or another timeline. And that's pretty well known. Like you can access your past life. And what's really fascinating is this is a personal practice too that I often share. You know, I've done it myself, but I'll share it with some students or some clients is to access your future self. Especially because your future self has different potentials too, you know, they suffer the decisions that you're making right now. We'll decide which parts of your future self actually activate and this and that. But if you're in the process of really manifesting or creating or just really wanting to create the life that you wanna create, well, there's a timeline for that. Like you can transport yourself to your future self that has all the things. And to ask that future self to come in and to communicate with your present self and give you the information that it needs to get you there. So, you know, like that's a practice that you can use instead of always going in the past. Now, you know, sometimes we have to unravel our past, unraveling our bodies to disentangle it so that we're not living or we're not frozen in the past. But then you can also connect to your future self. And with that timeline where, in that future where you've already done the things. You know, you've already got the thing, you've already created things. And then ask that future self to come in and to give you the roadmap as to how to get there. Now, that would require a lot of shadow work. I'm assuming, wouldn't it? Well, I was about to say. Shadow work comes in for the disentangling pieces of your past. Yes. That's basically the shadow work is a lot of the inner child stuff. Yeah. A lot of subconscious where we're fragmented and we're still caught in our trauma drama, all that stuff. Usually your shadow takes you to your past to free you from that, from your body. Because all that stuff gets stuck in your body and that's why I think that's also part of the process of mastering our bodies. We gotta shed it from where it's traumatized or frozen in the past. There is a book out there. You know, honestly, I haven't read the book because I feel like I would read the book and go, yes, yes, yes, correct, correct, correct. Your body holds the score. Yeah, I've read it. Have you read it? What does this book again? It's intense. It is really, your body keeps the score. It is. Is that something somebody could purchase on Amazon or something? It's really intense. It gets into how your body holds on and things, but it's interesting. So Dr. Brian Wise, most people know who he is who are in the spiritual world. He was one of the first big hypnotherapists, doctors who accidentally stumbled upon learning how to bring people into past life regression. He's written his first book, I think, was called Many Minds, Many Masters. I can't remember the exact. I read his first book when I was in college. And at that point, Reincarnation was something my grandmother kind of briefly spoke to me about, like, whispered because we didn't want our Christian family to hear we were talking about that. She was great. I've told people much that she used to hide books about reincarnation under the bed for my grandfather. But she, and so I started reading this book in college and I was like, this is so fascinating. And he's written so many books on the subject. He's talked about all his different clients and he can study karmically patterns in people and how they've kind of translated through each life. And again, your karma said this over and over and over again for the Westerners in the back of the room. You don't understand what karma is. All karma is is action and reaction. It's your work. That's all it is. That's all it is. And there was one book though where he was starting to take people into their future lives. He was starting to do this with his clients. And a lot of the times, and one client I remember who spoke about in particular is there were two future lines simultaneously available to that person. And it all depended on whether the person in this particular life did their shadow work or not. If they didn't work through their karma in this life they were gonna have to take this path. If they did, they did the work, then this path would open up. One path and I'll never forget. The next life, I remember it was this woman was going to now be a man living in Hawaii in a beautiful home was gonna have a very peaceful life. But the other possibility was a really hard life for her. But it all depended on what she did now in the here and now with her own karma. And so that shadow work is you can't, and you know, our souls are eternal. So God doesn't care how long it takes. Like you can repeat the second grade as many times as you want to because you're not dying anyway. So universe is like if you gotta do a hard life again just to work through this crap we'll just keep giving you that hard life but it's up to you what you're willing to face in this life. And that's gonna determine the trajectory of which path is simultaneously available to you. Now as we talk about the multiverse there could be two different lives you're living in this life where in one instance you do the work and in one instance you don't and so your soul then takes two separate journeys. That gets into a whole other discussion of the multiverse and the existence of you living even on the same plane in different existences. But it's all for you to learn for this. What is it Alan Watts says? It's like the eyeball trying to see itself. It's like the soul really trying to understand itself which it's almost as David Greed you say like it almost like the unsolvable riddle because it's so complex you know. And for our little mortal lives it's just, you know. It starts to wrap itself around all those ideas and that's why often through sessions or you know clearing sessions and I do you clear through all dimensions all realities all timeline through all space time dimensions and reality because they're and not only that but the way then how that just continues to roll over into how it can impact your unborn children. Because it goes out, it has a rippling effect that goes out beyond simply you. It ripples out to your future line. You know you're over and all of them who come after you so it's just yeah it's mind-blowing when you think about how. We were talking about this yesterday Stephanie about we were talking about like it's not men having to like grow up and be dads and you said oh they have nine months to prepare I'm like no, no, no. The minute that sperm hits that egg that sperm is holding a vibrational frequency. That man needs to like get his shit together before so that sperm's vibration when it hit in the woman for the act too. I mean every kid is, every kid's gonna have some type of parent issue like that's just to be human you know but you wanna try to, but it's true because think about how much crap we're holding on to from our ancestors and we don't even understand that it comes from some ancestor that lived 500 years ago that just passed trickle down through a energetic line. It really does. Yeah. So mind-blowing, it's absolutely mind-blowing. This is realities, future selves, past selves, unborn children, I mean it just we ripple. And how many different directions for sperm? No pressure people, no pressure. It's a lot to take in, it really is and especially like you know I just came out of the Christian church so this is like you know what I mean like learning about all this stuff and I mean it's quite liberating at the same time. I'm glad I'm out of that world because that is a very harsh world to be a part of and it's you lose your sense of self when you were in that world because they don't want you to know your powers and everything but you know learning about all these ascended masters and everything it's been a subject of interest with me especially the lineage of ISIS and all of that and so that's why I wanted to bring in this whole Hathor video because I know they're very interconnected in a lot of the stuff that they did and the teachings and all that kind of stuff so it was very, very fascinating for me and I'm very fascinated with the whole thing that Hathor was simultaneously living in two different worlds I think that's mind blowing right there but apparently we still have those abilities to do that. You might be too Stephanie at this and Cindy might be as well that your soul is living in two different worlds. I wouldn't be shocked. I wouldn't be shocked. At this point nothing really shocks me. So I always say and we were texting today I mean in the West we're just basically taught the soul like that's what we're spirit soul that's what we're taught is that eternal but then you get into the teachings of the East and you've got and for them the soul I typically say soul because I'm speaking mostly to Westerners and so that's what Westerners understand is that eternal part of us but then you get to the East and they believe that the soul isn't even the real eternal part of you that you can have multiple souls within you from all your different lives you've lived it's like a residue from all those so you can be walking around with like 1500 souls from all these lives you've lived in your one body that the real essence of the eternal if it gets down to Atman something that's even deeper than the soul this idea of Atman which then connects to Brahman which is one of you know big in India it's Brahma Brahma is one of the tri heads of the deity so it gets so, so detailed so detailed into who we really are the essence of who we really are and one thing I love about the Isis and Hathor teaching is the role of women because I think most people know the name Isis over Osiris and Osiris was her male consort but people know Isis probably thanks to you know McCain and his bandits of we won't say much on that guys you know what we're talking about but they like to dirty those names up but people know Isis more than they know Osiris the women in this time were respected as sovereign beings who actually were more than just a housewife with a pretty face that they had babies that there was such a huge shift from these powerful women that people went to for healing went to as a we even see we've talked about this and you've mentioned this a lot about even with Magdalene and Yahshua she anointed him you don't ask somebody to anoint you unless you view them as spiritually superior to you and he had to anoint him he asked Magdalene to do it he didn't ask Peter or John or you know Larry down the street like he asked Magdalene to do it with her alabaster jar and so yeah and it's funny too that when you begin to connect and study with these ascended masters the way that they come through you I mean they will really be with you I shared recently on the Instagram so I'm running right now the attention course where we're actually working with the female ascended masters and I was sharing how when I come up with a date for the program that I run I come up with a date clearly because it fits on my schedule well that's it there's no other motivation I was like I look at my schedule I'm gonna say okay we're gonna do this thing, this thing, this thing right and then as we know you know we just well went through Holy Week and this past Saturday we had one of the classes scheduled for ascension and of course it was mother Mary Magdalene until we had scheduled and it happened to fall on the full moon in Libra which you know Libra is ruled by Venus and I planned that well some of my consciousness planned that but like I didn't consciously plan that but the way that these teachings and these features and these ascended masters will just come in and will show up in your life this way giving you the synchronicities and the affirmations that yes we are yes we are here with you and I think that's one of the big things that we can take away from this as well is that they are here with you and that they will work with you and they will show up in your lives in very meaningful transformational ways that you know truly make a difference that they don't only exist in theory because you know when we talk about this you know we talk about the theory, the philosophy but they don't only exist in the realm of theory that they exist in the realm of showing up for you in your real life and bringing the messages home and truly embodying them and that is so true with all of us with Hathor and they just like sneak in and they give you all these little divine ways through the synchronicities saying yes you know we're here again we don't just exist here in the world of talking about us but we will truly come in, come through you and the more you study with them the more you get the more you take in the more you become initiated the more you actually become the challenged yourself as that's on the channel and your words are their words your words become one like their words are your words it's like you've opened yourself up to their wisdom their knowledge and everything that they have to share You said one time Cindy and I loved it that they don't want to be worshipped they don't want to be it's almost like they're there actually that you are also an ascended master yeah so you can also do this they want to be embodied through you it's like they want to be embodied and to like really be here on this earthling showing up to anybody who's open and willing to do it and you have to be open and willing you have to be willing to be the work because it would end kind of initiation no matter what study you're going in it's going to require you to do your work so the willing list is to do your work and to then become become the vessel you have to become the chalice and become the embodiment that's what they want they want you to be an embodiment of what they've been you know that their wisdom of their teaching Yeah, somebody asked me I can't remember if it was in an email or if it was in a comment somebody asked me what does one have to do to be initiated into the priesthood of Isis or this path or whatever it's called now you know what does one have to do to become that it's going to do to find someone who's already done through them so in the GA4 you know someone who's spent years with it and it'll just work better you can totally go through and you know say it frequently you can totally go through these processes on your own I mean you really can you have the capacity to do that but to have someone that helps you through it it's much better for when the fit hits the fan and you have someone that you can go to because it will it will have been like the unraveling of the old will happen Yep and when that happens you have someone who can just be a concert or have something or someone a container to help you get through through like those moments and to just help to I don't know to dive along into actually the catalyst for it instead of trying to do everything on your own you can pull up your things by yourself but it's better to do things not for yourself well sometimes the teacher will trigger the karma to come up faster I mean I tell a friend who is a certified ashtanga teacher one of the like 17 women in the world who are certified so hard and she said that before like your karma is laid out for you in this life already but when you pick a practice like ashtanga or a spiritual practice an intense old practice that runs by very ancient set of rules you're actually asking to have your karma set up you're asking what about this? I'll just I'll just step up I was telling this to somebody I mean maybe it was you Bryce all we're doing is saving you time so that you don't have to go through your four, five or six lifetimes like you said you know God really doesn't care but you might care because you might be tired of feeling shitty or feeling stuck or feeling like you don't know where you're going you know and you want to enhance your life now look like and so your teachers they just act as catalyst to save you time all we do all we do is save you time yeah it's a controlled demolition I mean I was having a conversation with that at your school sending with a student of ours saying this is a controlled demolition when you're in the especially with the yoga ashtanga practice the practice itself and a lot of old spiritual practices are designed to piss you off they're designed to trigger you they're designed for a controlled demolition of your false sense of self to get to the root of who you are you got to you got to take down the fake plaster before you can actually get you the gold underneath and that's not fun that's the one thing I'm trying because I think sometimes here in the west more so in the east we are really confused about that I find a lot of people think when they take on a spiritual path that it's going to be just in your music and like you know lavender scents you're just going to be farting lavender I don't know it's just going to be it's just going to be and I'm like rainbows that's not that's not happening once maybe next life maybe next life maybe next life this is farting lavender I was just highly impressed I know I did not happen I was really impressed too I'm like no it is it is one of the most painful things you will ever go through and that's when people I find in myself anyway with my students when when this stuff really starts to come up when the shit hits the fan that's when people run and they don't want to do it anymore and they go back to their old habits because it's too hard and it's not their you know it's not their expectation of what they held in their mind about what a spiritual journey was going to look like and it's it becomes worth it when you start to work through that stuff because you learn so much about yourself and you find out who your sense of self is but yeah it's and those teachers are not going to coddle you they're not going to have enough people help you through that too yeah you know remain and that's where it's good to have have teachers is when you get to that point where you're like oh my gosh I want to stop but you have a space and you have like a container you know to do the work it's you're more likely to go through it and to show up and to you know to process and to fit to the other side of it where if you're just doing it by yourself you might not be as motivated or you might not keep the momentum to keep going I agree with that teachers, initiators you know your priestesses all this that's where that's that's just what we do is is we're holding we're holding the space for that for you to do a teaching because it's not like we're here figuring it out for you you're not figuring it out for yourself like we can provide you with with the guidance we can provide you with maybe some of the initial inter-static initiations and you know be there but you still have to yeah you still have to go through it yourself you have to do the work and and we're that's basically what we do is we just hold the space for you to be able to do it holding accountability and people ask for that a lot especially in the Mysore Room which is not Cindy's school I just teach a web class but in the Mysore Room for traditional Ashdanga there's constantly somebody on their mat crying there's constantly somebody having a breakdown and it's not becoming the practice is hard but that's nothing compared to what it's pulling up in that person and every single teacher I've worked with and the way I handle it to in the Mysore Room is when somebody's having a breakdown on their mat I don't draw attention to them I just let them have their space and once they get them once they get themselves together they resume their practice again and then I continue helping them through their practice most teachers will not draw attention to it I remember one time I was up in Philadelphia practicing and there was a girl beside me who every day she was just struggling through this third series transition which would be all third series like Cirque du Soleil anyway but you know she was really you could tell it was really triggering her and you would see her just you would hear her dropping F-bombs that's most Mysore Rooms you hear the F-bomb all the time it's no big deal because people are triggered and they're working through stuff and then one day like four days into my time there she just like sat on her mat and just started sobbing just sobbing we all just continued practicing and David continued walking around the room and then once she got her act together and took that deep breath David came and sat on the mat beside her and just said y'all good now? and she said yep he was like alright let's get back up and keep going and that's all it took you know and someone tried on my mat this morning I was like you're not going to help just solve their problems like you solve it yourself yeah but we might give a little extra something you're gonna hold the space if you have questions answering the questions that kind of thing but you know we're not here to thank you or to do anything like that we're just here simply to you know to give a hold just to hold the container be the container and I'll leave go ahead and yeah I'll say it's a safe space it's a safe space to follow apart it's a safe space and that's because it's expected and sometimes people feel crazy when it starts to happen to them but the teachers are to go actually this is really normal that's happened to me Bryce I called you I'm like I don't know what's going on I just did this bar exercise and I can't stop crying and so I've been learning this first hand for the first time in my life like I've worked I used to be a crazy person with working out two hours a day for six days, seven days a week when I was like really, really young but in the gym and I wasn't working any of my pelvic floor area my hips none of that like solar plexus area and now that I'm working that with the bar exercising like this morning I really lost it and I felt a lot of I actually had a lot of like flashbacks of my childhood things that made me angry come up and I didn't run away from it I faced a head on and I just remembered it and I said okay well and I allowed myself to cry it out and really faced it and everything and understanding why that particular issue has created me to act maybe certain ways in my adult life you know why and learning a lot from you Bryce when it comes to this kind of stuff I was able to productively face that and do that shadow work head on but I felt so much better afterward it was uncomfortable I don't like crying I talk about solid time I was always told a lot of times don't cry, don't cry so that's a programming I have to release now and so but you have to release it you have to face it and you can't run away from it because it's going to just follow you and follow you and follow you so it's just you it's you that you're facing you know what I mean that's like people think oh my gosh I want to say something that I can't it's you it's a part of you it's a you that was stuck or frozen a child or something that felt hurt and we fear that we fear facing that but it's you you know it's just you that you're facing and our ego makes it so much bigger than that like no you can't go there because you know we we we cultivate these protective mechanisms to keep us from going to those places because they cause trauma before and you're that those parts of those mechanisms of protection they do a really great job of making you very afraid of looking at those things but there's just you they're little big views they're like they can use little two three year old views you know what I mean eleven year old views and that that only they just want to be heard and acknowledged and seen you know and it's through that process that we can regain and become a whole like those those pieces that we have fragmented we can bring them back into our soul we don't feel we don't feel I mean we can't ever be fragmented that we we do a good job of of in in our bodies fragmenting pieces of ourselves of that we don't feel home you know and that's what the this does is it brings all those pieces back to you and you can bring that part of you back into your heart or into your soul reflexes or into wherever wherever you just associated it from but they're just they're they're just your emotions you know they're they're simply your emotions and they're you that's that's what you're facing but we make our that our our protective mechanisms they're really good job of making us really afraid of facing those things mm-hmm it's not easy but mm-hmm it's so beneficial to do that work so beneficial and we like to project we like to and as I say this guys I'm generalizing if you were in a situation where you were being abused please get out of it but if we go back and look at because I know I've been through that Stephanie's been through that we've all been through that situation and we want to project all of those issues onto the person who did it to us but when you're really on the spiritual path you go wait a minute I was doing that to myself what part of me we're talking about magnifying attracting what part of me wasn't healed that was the best thing that happened to me in my life is I had gone through one bad relationships the next bad relationships the next bad relationship with narcissists to the point where I almost lost my life it got so bad where I almost lost I had to call 911 I got you know I can't say it on YouTube but this and the dog actually I actually thought I was I mean the dog pooped on the floor and that's when they I was dropped and I reached for my phone and called 911 it was bad but I had to get all the way to that point for me to go why am I attracting this and then sending into trauma therapy and also to India where I took a lot of time alone and I went through trauma therapy and I had a great I know people feel funny about therapists I had a great trauma therapist she was very well educated in Eastern philosophy and she you know would walk you through things and we did EMDR therapy to also relax the mind a little bit but just being able to face that part of myself from my childhood that wasn't healed and if something isn't healed it's going to keep screaming out at you and attracting something to get your attention before you actually heal it and after that happened after I went through that I all of a sudden was able to date men that showed me actual love because I started to love myself I actually found myself in healthy relationships that I had never been in before all of a sudden look at that this is all of a sudden you're in a healthy you know and it's it's it's um so it has been official it's hard though it really sucks especially when you've gone through something like that and you're like wait a minute this is on me yeah when I was a child I didn't have a chance to you know but now I'm in and that's one thing my therapist said to me you are responsible for that little girl you are now responsible for her and by not healing this you're doing to her what you feel like your parents did to you you're just right up that role and it is it's you facing yourself it's all you it's liberating when you and it is when you go through the idea of this little contract that you actually agreed for these things to happen so you would have the opportunity to learn and grow and I know people get upset with that but honestly when you actually realize that you were the you were the writer of that contract that you were the one that said I'm going to do this in this life whoa that's powerful yes that's very liberating to understand that and I always have said to that how did I how do I word this I always say some of the greatest things that come to us in life come with the hardest work yeah nothing good and I mean no nothing good is easy and but but look at it in a sense where when you do that hard work you are going to feel like a million bucks compared to if you did nothing about it you know what I mean there is a sense of like I don't want to say reward I don't want to coming off like egotistical but like it's it's like a humble pat on the back like okay I did this I'm proud of myself and you gain this love for yourself that you couldn't if you didn't do anything about it does that make sense with self respect yeah it builds your it builds the confidence inside of you that it which is going that impossible it's part of the actual feeling of empowerment is that it's where you can say you know here I am I'm good with and that confidence empowerment all those things and that they reside right there at your solar center and it builds you up you know but it builds you up from from the inside out from restoring all those misplaced pieces where we disassociated them or put them somewhere you put the piece back and it's like you know you grow you grow bigger taller or stronger for sure yeah you learn you said this to me too you you learn and that's the thing about the sense of self you learn not to look for your sense of self outside of you and that's the big that goes even beyond love is just understanding that you have a sense of self of who you are that's beyond what your favorite food is what your favorite color is it something that's so sacred that's yours and once you find that sense of self and you're able to settle into that sense of self you can be alone and be fine you're not looking for another person to fulfill you you're not looking for another thing to fulfill you I mean I Ram Dass even said this once and I thought this was brilliant that one day you don't even need the spiritual practices anymore because you found what you were looking for you know and that's that's the beauty of it and that goes beyond so much of what we even perceive about ourselves is resting in that sense of self and I think a lot of times children do have a sense of self but then through the hazard obstacle of being human things get knocked out of them and all of a sudden we are a little fragmented and disassociated and then we're adults running around with wounds from our childhood that we're just trying to cover up a mask when actually it's never been gone in the first place it was always there we just have to go and find it again and I thought like Hathar, Isis all these ascended masters had to also work through this as well well to get where they were to have an understanding of the predicament of being human we're restoring your talent you got to restore it restore your talent and then it can hold your higher consciousness better like you resonate with your higher consciousness better once you restore restore your talent and I think that's why you know that's what Hathar that's what I feel at least in my part of it you know I think different teachers might have different perspectives as to what their piece is and what they're offering in teaching but the one that comes through most powerfully for me is that is restoring your talent restoring your body restoring your humanity doing doing your shadow work doing all all this stuff doing your exercises eating well I mean because all that contributes so doing the bar doing the yoga doing making sure your muscles are supporting I mean I mean go through the truth not just the inner data but you got to go through the physiological I mean you need to go through understanding your nervous system understanding yeah though your bone structure your muscle structure how you can support to that your senses I mean taking it beyond just an energetic but to the physical because it all of course it all comes up and restoring your talents I mean that's really what I feel like like I do that's what I help people with that input mine the way these masters come in through me is is to offer that kind of those words and that kind of support the health in that yeah when is your next ascended master's workshop Cindy do you have dates for yet no or two more probably in the fall okay I'll do another one the thing is I have to figure out how to do that we do so much hands on that one I haven't figured out how to put together virtually because we also take field trips yeah you know we go and we go and do different things but um yeah I'm definitely a feeler like I'm a knower I'm a feeler I like to touch people I don't know why I'm being called to ask this of you Cindy because you know in the Ashtanga world teachers travel a lot to do workshops and actually Dave agreed we'll probably be coming back in the fall which is yeah and but would you ever if there's somebody watching right now Cindy that owns Shala somewhere and wants you to come up and teach a weekend workshop or something on the Ascended Masters would you be would you be open to traveling to do that yeah yeah and it was like yeah totally I would totally be up for that and I am also trying to forget more on the virtual like you know I did the little arm in the middle of doing the the virtual training for the spirit release so and I do some other in one's clients you know I have clients from you know from all over the place that I do virtually but I think the training part like really trying to get in and train train people that is where I don't know if there's plenty of training is virtually but like I said hands on is so important though hands on it's that energy it's that it's part of the prampara so I totally get it but if there's Shala owners out there that are listening Cindy's down to travel thank you for putting that out there um we are over an hour at this point um Cindy I want to thank you so so much for coming on here and explaining um what you know about Hathor and then of course Bryce you bring in your ashanga uh you know knowledge and all of your Eastern philosophy knowledge so I really appreciate it and like you guys make such a great team and collaborating and pulling together all that information you guys want rock stars I don't know whether Bryce you're like I know I know I got at your job uh I'm in my bed with my computer I'm in my bed with my computer guys and I've got my lights I've got everything ready uh I just I just see that you know adult entertainment directors would never do that so but thank you guys so so much for doing this because um I I know that a lot of people actually I've had a lot of people asking me about Hathor specifically lately I I don't know maybe it's Hathor season so but thank you so so much and um we'll have to definitely do this again when I come up with another subject of interest that I got us thank you so much for having me and for the invitation I love it you're welcome of course as always Bryce thank you so much Mr. Niel, see you Sunday see you Sunday for a time of 4 turns day bye alright ladies bye