 Welcome back to Think Tech. I'm Jay Fidel, and here it is. Oh my goodness, it's Tuesday morning. And it's Community Matter. It's a very important show. This time, we're talking about Hapamana, which is designed to help the keiki of Hawaii. And we have Jordan Connolly of Hapamana, and we have Peter Hoffenberg, who's going to help us explain the philosophical connotations of Hapamana. But before we get to the philosophical connotations, welcome to the show, Jordan. Welcome to the show, Peter. Thank you. Good to see you again. Good to see Jordan. Thank you, thank you. So Jordan, Hapamana and keiki. And I looked at your website, impressive. We need that. You know, this keiki of the future, there's a picture of your website. And that's what I'm talking about, that sort of embodies the concept of it. And what's the website that we can all look at? It's Hapamana.org, H-A-P-A-M-A-N-A dot O-R-G. Okay. So now that we've looked at it and gotten the gestalt of it, why don't you tell us what it, when you formed it, what it does and what you hope to achieve? Okay, so we formed in September 2016. We started as a sports organization, mostly basketball and like footwork drills and whatnot. We partner with a bunch of, we do community outreach and we partner with a bunch of like teacher groups. We partner with Challenge Islander Wahoo and Rise Above, which is a tutoring group. So they'll come to our camps and they'll do different sections with our kids like artwork or like read books or different things. I let them kind of do their own thing. While I coach, I do basketball coaching and different like workouts with the kids. And then I have other teachers come in to coach different things and teach different things also. What qualifies you to do this? I mean, both in terms of your desire to do it and also your skills and experience. So I've been a, as a people person, from my first job to about 30, I was working at restaurants. I was a server bartender, so I'm real good with people. At about 30, I got my personal trainer's license and I started training kids and adults. And I've always played sports my entire life. So from about five years old until now, I still play sports. I played football, even played in the HGO, which is a Hawaii Great Iron League. So I played some semi-pro football here. And I played years of beach volleyball here. So I just bring the kids what I know. I just, I love kids. I'm getting most sports and I know sports pretty well. So that's what I bring. But then what I'm not qualified for, for like, you know, different teaching things, I bring other people to teach them things that I don't even know about. So let's talk about the kids you want to serve and help. Who are they? Exactly. All of them. Any kid. I love all kids. So right now, I got it, we work with IHS, the Institute for Human Services, and they run the homeless shelters and whatnot. So we work with a lot of their kids. And then we work with Punea Village Development Corporation. And so I'm actually out here right now. And we work with the kids at the development. And there's a gym on the property here. So I got a key to the gym. I open the gym and the kids come and you know, we do sports and whatnot. And upstairs we have like a library where we bought a bunch of books, a bunch of toys, Legos, they have a little basketball, like one of those little games like an arcade and whatnot. So we try to just bring as much opportunity to kids that they don't already have. But and then we also invite kids from like say Punea Ho or the East Side, because one of the big goals is that we want all the kids to meet each other, like be you from the wrong side of the tracks to the right side, because if you grow up and we want to play on the same team of sports, right? So if they play on a basketball team, then they'll build those bonds that a team builds, their parents will go to the same games, their parents will go to the same practices, and then we can just hope the community to just mesh that way, you know, get to meet each other, get to talk to each other on a good time. Yeah, I went to a Jewish Federation summer camp in New York when I was a kid. And that was beyond recon, you know, historic memory. And what they did is they wanted to have that diversity. So they invited on a kind of scholarship basis, people from every walk of life, everywhere. And it was before that sort of thing was happening in general. I must, I must say it was a great benefit to everyone to have the diversity to have everybody meet everybody. Just as you say, this is a really good thing. So how old are these kids? So we take school age kids. So basically five years old to 18 years old. If you have a little brother that's say like four or three, which just are either one, if you have a little one that's with an older kid and the older kid can kind of watch them a little bit will let you bring a younger kid as long as your other kid can kind of watch them or if your four year old is like really tentative and they already play sports and they know what to do kind of and we're going to stay in line, we'll let them come. You know, if you're like three or two, you're probably not going to be able to pay enough attention to stay around, you know. So boys and girls together, boys and girls together. We're trying to start teams. We actually got some basketball jerseys donated to us. We're trying to start basketball teams and we have a tennis team also. So the boys basketball of your boys and the girls team also in the tennis, you know, your boys and girls, but when we practice, we all practice together. We all come together when not, but when we start playing, we'll probably play separate, you know, boys and girls. Is it is a competitive? You have leagues, you have you give away, you know, awards and the like. We're not yet. We're part of the AAU, the Amateur Athletic Union, which is like a worldwide sports league. And so basically they have tournaments and they have different leagues that you can just join through the AAU. And we didn't have any jerseys that we just got our jerseys right at the beginning of the pandemic. And so we haven't been able to do anything yet. So now we have the jerseys and now we're ready to do that. We can all we're ready to do some tennis too. So basically we just got to wait for tournaments to open back up and then we'll start playing. Yeah. So what are the challenges here? I can imagine that some kids have a problem with sports, you know, the Woody Allen dweebs, you know, they're not very, they're not very well coordinated. If you leave them in a group of other kids, they'll usually be marginalized. That's a challenge for you. How do you handle that? We talk about that. I tell all the kids so we have kung fu, we have taekwondo, we have tennis, we have football, basketball, we do ladder drills, we got like where we work out. But then we have, like I said, we have the educators that do projects with them and stuff. I tell the kids that you're going to be good at some things. You won't be good at some things and that's fine. I tell them, you know, there's going to be a sport that you really love that you might be good at and you might not like any of them. But what you're going to do is get some exercise. You're going to get to hang out with the kids, be friends and whatnot. You also, you know, we get the educational part. So I tell kids, and one of the things we say is that we're here for everybody and that it's not, when we do our camps and we do our practices, it's not competitive to like where they are not allowed to make fun of each other. They're supposed to help each other, stuff like that. And we feed them lunch at our camps and I tell them that to sit next to somebody that they're going to go home with. I want them to sit next to somebody that they either don't know or don't see a lot. So they can just talk and mingle and whatnot. But yeah, so it's all about fun. It's all about getting better and if like you're the worst basketball player on the team, then it's fine. I'm not, I don't mind. You know, I'll tell them to let you get a couple of shots off. You're making, you're making, if you're doing, you're doing, it's not a big deal. One of the questions before we turn you over to Peter, I'm sorry about that. This question is what do you do with a kid who is obnoxious? You know, because in every crowd to be a kid who hasn't had enough, you know, structure at home, what have you, it comes from a home that's aggressive and made him aggressive. How do you handle a kid like that? Because that can be very destructive in a group of kids now. So one, you can kind of hear my voice. It's pretty deep and kids will listen to it. Two, I'm a pretty big dude and kids, when they look at me, they're like, they're like kind of in awe. And when I tell them what to do, they just kind of do it. But when I do have a rowdy or rambunctious kid, I'll either, you know, I'll take him to the side. I'll talk to him or we'll just put him in a drill where we're doing harder work where they can't be rambunctious or rowdy. Like, I have a personal trainer that comes, he makes the kids do pushups and burpees and all this crazy stuff. Whenever a kid gets too rowdy, I point to him, I say, it's now your turn to go there, but do you want to go? And they're like, no. So they'll just start asking. Plus, we have so many kids and so many kids that have been here for so long that they keep the other kids in order because they know that we're going to have fun. They know what we're supposed to do and they want to keep doing it. That's great. So Peter, how did you run into Jordan? Were you in one of his teams? I ran into him because exactly what he said, he scared me. He scared me. He scared Judah. Jordan years ago was one of the summer school coaches and teachers at a program I put Judah into. And Judah would do everything he could to avoid Jordan because he was so scared of Jordan. And then finally they became good friends. And I think in a way, the folks who live here will understand this. Jay and Jordan understand this. I mean, it's just a typical Honolulu thing, right? Your kid knows somebody. You start up a friendship with your kid. You have a very powerful, if not profound connection and that's basketball. Jordan, Judah, I love basketball. And from that powerful yet not profound connection, well, we believe in education, believe in teaching. Jordan is fully committed to what we call tikkun olam or pairing the world. And it was a kind of synergy which happens here. I'm sure it happens elsewhere as well. But it's kind of a special Honolulu thing. If you're willing to do what Jordan just said, kind of get out of your bubble, like there's the Punahou bubble, right, which is not the DOE bubble, which is not the IHS bubble. So you got to have somebody or some program, right? I mean, we're seeing strange because physically the city is really small, right? But socially you know it's not. I mean, socially there are silos. So I became involved when Jordan and I became friends mostly through basketball. And then we started with a completely illegal project which was trying to develop better basketball in the state of Hawaii. The eventual implication being and your engineer now has to stop recording. No, no, no, no. And we flood you age with good basketball players from here. No, but we start talking about basketball here and basketball here led to well, maybe kids are not so interested in basketball per se, but sports and fitness. And then I am the Woody Allen. So Jordan, I sat down and said, okay, you know, Sports Club is great, but I would like them to do art. I would like them to read. I would like them to have some kind of relationship with the teachers. But this is all in the future and Jordan has some big plans and we got to do it slowly. But we talk, you know, we talk about once a month taxed or something, you know, at some point tied into schools, right? So the kid gets to participate if he or she keeps his grades up, right? Jordan, I had talked about about this. So it really is a holistic, complete tie in. And it takes again, very Hawaii. I mean, it takes a dynamic figure like we talked about last week with Carl Ackerman. Well, Jordan is this week's Carl Ackerman and Jordan is committed to it. Jordan talks to people. He listens like with Carl last week, you know, you got to compromise, right? You can't do everything. And one of the beauties of this program is that getting back to where I started, he has, he can't break down the walls in our community, but she can put some pretty big holes in them. So we have Kunahou kids. I mean, Judah is like a typical Kunahou kid, okay? So he works with Jordan. And then we got people in the arts who otherwise wouldn't even know where Kunita Village is. They're coming out, all right? So like we talked about with Carl, it's a little program, but it's really good, solid little program. And it can be replicated. Like there's nothing Jordan is doing that can't work in Philadelphia. It really can't. I mean, you could export it wherever you wanted, right? The idea of people from different backgrounds with different skills, get in together, to give kids a chance to, I think importantly, learn the basic skills, like regardless of what sport you play. You need hand-eye coordination. You need footwork. You need to be able to grow into your body, regardless of what you play. Jordan's really good about that, taking kids, giving them balance, giving them footwork. Then you can do what you want, right? You don't have to be on duck. So that's a model really could be applicable. Now it does, of course, cost money, right? I mean, we've got to talk about that too. So Jordan and his board have to go out and they got to raise money, right? Some of the teachers and coaches are really good saints and donate their time. But that's not really a fear to them. They should be compensated. Like we talked last week, the parents got to buy in. Jordan's out in Canilla Village. The kid wants to go, but the parent doesn't want to get to go. You can't go down that path. You've got to bring the whole family in. So there are all these challenges like we talked about last week, but again, great success. And I'm a sucker for basketball. So all Jordan has to do is talk about a draft choice of the Lakers. Jun and I are right there. I'm a sucker for social work and I think what Jordan is doing is social work. In the old fashioned sense, you know, the 1930s, 40s type sense, you're offering them a role. You know, you're there, may I say, going back to camp. You're their camp counselor. They can come to you and they can get away. I think every kid needs to get away from whatever his home fire is, whatever his family shtick is. He needs to get away and find himself. And if he doesn't do that, if he winds up spending in his entire 20 years of his life and never getting away, he's missed something. He's got to play with those other kids. He's got to learn team building. He's got to learn the little relationships that you have on a team or big and relationships with you. He's got to know that. This makes him a better person. Whether he can throw a basketball or not. Right. That's what we're doing. Jordan and I, it's kind of, it's a challenge now, right? Everybody's listening knows about the pandemic. So the challenge now is for Jordan, myself and the board members to do what we can by and soon. So as soon as you and I and all this get off, Jordan and I probably have a text try to get, say an art instructor who normally would be at Kandia Village to do a zoo. So we're completely agree with you. But of course, one of the problems with this pandemic is kids are not getting out regardless of what that means. Okay. They could love their parents and have everything in the house. But I agree with you. They need to get out and meet other kids. So the challenge right now and I think probably we're facing a lockdown pretty soon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So the challenge now is to keep this going and do what we can. And really, when you think about what Jordan said he does, he does, you really could do almost all that via Zoom. You don't have the social connection. Can you play basketball by Zoom? You could teach basketball by Zoom. I'm trying to get Judah to meet with Jordan. Jordan tells Judah how to dribble. Judah dribbles and you zoom it. That's, you know, in the old days that was long-distance education. You're stuck on Malachi, right? You sat in front of somebody, you lecture about the French Revolution. They had a TV camera, right? And that's how you learn. Now it's not perfect, but it's certainly better than not learning. Yeah. And I think that Hapamana is going to have, I don't want it to have the fate that our restaurants have in the sense that you know if a restaurant doesn't do takeout right now, it's gone, right? I mean, regardless of what happens, you're going to forget it exists. I mean, it's one of the reasons even though takeout's not the same volume, right? At least you remember that restaurant exists. So when the pandemic is over, you can go back to the restaurant. That was a great point. The same way, very strongly about Hapamana, we can't do the programs, but I don't want Hapamana to disappear so that when the pandemic is over and kids want to play basketball and learn and do art, I don't want them to forget that Jordan and Hapamana are there. So you're doing us a really big favor by having us today and then Jordan and I are going to think about what we can do to, you got to keep, like in your small business, you got to keep on people's vision. Let me throw one at you guys that just occurred to me, just came to me this morning. I was watching my wife's favorite to Japanese TV channel. All our channels are Japanese. NHK it was. And they were revealing an idea that is taking hold in Japan. Now you know that people in Japan travel to all corners of Japan all the time. You always see troops of kids going hither and yon taking bus tours and the like. So this company has invented a virtual bus tour. And at first you say that's ridiculous. That's silly. That's ridiculous, but not. You sit at your computer and you go on the tour and you can look out the window and the bus driver will talk to you. The tour guide driver will talk to you. Some guy next to you might talk to you. You get off the bus. You go to the shrine. Some tour guide person takes you around the shrine. You get as much as you would get at least visually in terms of the sound of it as you would if you were on the bus. And remarkable. It sounds so simplistic and yet really quite eloquent. Elegant is what I mean. Right. And the bathroom is probably cleaner. That's wonderful. They didn't cover that in the show. But you know. Okay, great. No majority. Yeah majority. There's no reason. I mean, Jordan, we're going to talk to Heather in a little bit about art. So she used to run an art place up in Kainuki. There's no reason she can't sit in front of a Zoom camera with paper, pencil, whatever. And do the project. Right. It's not the same as walking around the table. But people will have a chance to be that creative. No, I think that's right. And I'm sure some of the folks who are listening have kids or grandkids applying to college. That's what colleges are doing. They're doing virtual tours of college. During the submission time. Yeah. So the one thing I would miss, Jordan, is something you referred to a minute ago is when Johnny is a little bit off the mark, where he's not playing fair, not playing good ball, you have the possibility of taking him aside and one to one. And talking to him as the counselor, as the towering, all powerful sports figure type counselor has a huge impression on him. He'll never forget this conversation. Can you do you? Will you conduct conversations like that one-on-one virtual with some of the members of Hapamani? Sure. Like, so if we were doing like say a group or maybe a kid was acting up, I might have to wait till after the group and like do him one-on-one after, you know, talk to him after we get done with the group. And then that way, you know, wouldn't interfere with the group then, you know, because you want to keep it going. You don't want to stop the other kids from getting their part because one kid is doing I guess it's online. If online it got too ready, you might have to tell the kid they got to leave this session and then go do a one-on-one with them after so we could do the talk and all that stuff. There's so many ways to reach kids, you know. All you have to be is authentic and have consistency. Let me tell you guys about a movie that I caught last night on Netflix called, ready for this? What was it? The life I had. Now, to say that in Italian, it's not exactly that. Vita Avanti or something like that. And the star of this movie is none other than Sophie Loren. You heard about the movie? You've seen the movie? I haven't seen it, but Sophie Loren, all you need to do is say Sophie Loren. Thanks. Yeah, right. I'll be leaving you guys now. She's well into her 80s, maybe in her 90s. She's not a sex opt. But she plays the role of an aging Jewish survivor. And I want to say it must be what's the city south of, south of, in the sun, it's a water city in Italy. Venice. And no, no, it's the way south. Somewhere in Sicily? No. It's not as far as Sicily. Anyway, it's a big city. Okay. And it's got a slum. And she has no money. She lives in Slumman. And this young kid from Senegal somehow is deposited on her by a good mutual friend. And he's having trouble. I mean, he's into all the wrong things. And the whole movie is a story about how she brings him back and makes a mensh out of him. It's beautiful. What's wrong? The life ahead. A life ahead. Okay. The life ahead, you can't miss it. Sounds beautiful. Yeah. It is beautiful. And at the end of the day, there's a lot of love there. And, you know, I guess the point is that, you know, you don't have to be a Jordan Conley to actually impose a kind of numerality and new discipline on young kids. All you have to be is strong and consistent, which is what she was. And more than that, she was a person they could relate to because she had been through things. You know, she had heavy experiences in her life. So I guess this whole thing about bringing kids back, bringing kids in the right place, and if they have a hard time, even here in Hawaii, in a homeless environment, and they need you. They need you. Not just you, but a lot of people like you. They need us all to care about them, and you're stepping out. So that's really valuable. And we need that. So thank you. I try to do what I feel like I would have wanted as a kid. Coach kids, how I wanted to be coached, bring them the opportunities that either I didn't have or the opportunities that I did want. Because kids don't choose their parents. They don't choose if they're going to be poor or rich. And so they shouldn't lack opportunities just because they don't have money because no kid has money, really. Do you have a few more minutes? Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Jordan, I was wondering if you could tell Jay, myself, and the audience about the two major groups. So what kinds of kids and how many at IHS? Because they're not the same, right? The IHS are homeless. Cunea Villages is a home. It has a chair over there. There's one I think you could just tell us about the different groups, IHS on one hand, and then Cunea. And some of the folks in the audience might not even know and where Cunea Villages is, right? Somebody should tell them now. Who wants to tell them? I hope so. So if you could tell us a little bit about the kids you actually work with. Sure. And tell us about Cunea Village, what it is. Okay. So IHS is the Institute for Human Services, like I said, they work with the homeless kids or they work with all homeless people and then they got kids. So there's a village right by the airport and it's been, do you remember the name of it? It's been a while since I've been out there. But we go out there and we were doing tennis practices and then a workout practice for them twice a week. So tennis was on Tuesdays and the workout was on Wednesday. And then Cunea. So Cunea is when you go west, it's right before Y and I. So it's going to be a couple of exits before the highway turns into a street and you go to Y and I. So it's like a couple of exits before that. It's by Eva. So it's Cunea then Eva is the next exit. And so at Cunea Village, they have their own gym. So we got the key to it. And my Taekwondo coach is going there every Monday. I was going, I figured what day I was going, but I was going every week to do basketball. And then once a month, we were doing the sports camps, the all day camps, which would be a Saturday and Sunday. And that's when we bring in all the other coaches and all the other teachers and stuff. We bring all the kids. So at the sports camps, IHS, they have a van, a 15 passenger van. So they would always bus at least 14 kids out to the camp. So we would have the IHS kids come for the camps. And then we have the Cunea kids at the camp. And so Cunea has, I think, about 148 kids here total, something like that. And I'd probably say I know about 100 of them by name. Just when I say my other name, I talk to them or walk down the street and just, you know, we just chat and whatnot. But yeah, Cunea Village is really cool. It's an old Dalmatian plantation. And it's actually just a bunch of dirt roads. It's not even paved. So the kids just walk down the street on the roads and stuff. And they walk up to the gym and the gym doors open. They just walk in. But yeah, it's a great group of kids. Most of the kids, most of the families are Pacific Islanders, no? Yeah, most of them are. Yeah, it's an interesting demographic place. I mean, again, your audience might not know because it's not in the newspaper or anything. But it's run as a home. First of all, people who might very well be homeless otherwise. By possible, homeless otherwise. Or certainly in a multi-generational apartment with far too many people, meaning the kids aren't going to get attention. And it has become a home for primarily micro- and macronesian immigrants, which is a group that does not really get much play here, right? No, they don't get socialized here. And but also they get picked on a fair amount by other groups. And the compact with the Micronesian islands is about to expire. So we'll see what the Senate does as far as what your audience probably knows. We have a special relationship in good part because the U.S. use those islands for nuclear testing. Right, so if you look up COFA Act, C-O-F-A Act, it'll tell you all about that. Right, and so it's a particular group. I mean, the IHS kids could be everything. I mean, white, Japanese, Polynesian, Black. They could be everything. And that is really homeless, homeless. Konea is a particular demographic group. And I really appreciate it. What Jordan is doing is really for the long-term health of Hawaii, really important to take a group which most people just ignore. And trying to assimilate and integrate them. So when, you know, a white kid from Koneho goes out there, that's a first time probably that white kid is going to spend time with a Micronesian other than, you know, a Kaluku football player, right? A valuable social experience, a valuable life experience. To each, according to his need. I'd like to exploit this opportunity and just ask people to take a look. Just Google Konea, K-U-N-I-A Village. And think about that's a kind of village could also be replicated. Is that a private charitable event? It is. It's like Dwayne Karisu kind of. It's run by a corporation. Which is not a public Konea Village. Right, 501c3 nonprofit. So again, your audience will realize that doesn't mean that can't be anybody, right? Just the goal is not to make money, but they have professional staff, right? The buildings have to be kept up. There are some issues about kids going to school. So one of the things I like Jordan doing is tying it into kids going to school. Very often the parents don't have schooling at all. And so what we're doing is, you know, encouraging the parents also to participate. So the kids future can be a little brighter for them. I know we're running out of time, but K-U-N-I-A Space Village. The organizer there is Stevie Whalen. And you can tell Stevie... He's going to be on the show later this week. Right. You can tell Stevie you met Jordan and met me. And look, no, nothing is perfect in this world. But they do pretty close to perfect work. Well, Jordan, let's touch on something that Peter was talking about before. And that is you raising money for your organization, for Hapamana. So who are your supporters? Is it public, small contributions? Is it large foundational contributions? What is it? So a little bit of both. I started writing grants about three years ago, maybe. And I've got a couple, actually. So that's pretty cool. We get a little bit of money through the community, like the people I know and talk to and stuff, and they'll donate some. And actually, I've had businesses actually start calling us talking about, oh, they've seen our website and they want to donate something. Like, we actually had a business donate us some jerseys and they put their logo on the jersey, our logo on the jerseys, or whatever. So we're just trying to... And we build community partnerships. And so people just donate their time a lot too. So I don't have to pay for people's time as much. They just donate it. And then the kids get their teachers and all that stuff. So basically, like doing stuff like this, if you like what we're doing and what I'm saying, go to hopamana.org. There's a donate button there. You can donate right on the website. I think it's at the bottom of every page. Okay. Well, we are out of time, pretty much. And I want to offer you this opportunity. Maybe you've already said what you wanted to say, but what else would you say to our viewers? What other message would you like to leave with them about Hopamana? So basically, we're just a community outreach group. We want to get with everybody who has a light mind that they want to help people. So we've partnered with so many groups. And what I say you like, call us up and we'll partner with you too and let you come do whatever you do with our kids as long as it's kid-friendly stuff. And then, like Peter said, it is replicable. Or it's not easy to do, but it can be done again in other places. And so I'm actually from Dayton, Ohio. And I spent a lot of the time, this pandemic there. And I was going around talking to people, trying to set some things up. I was hoping gyms had opened up, but they haven't opened up yet. So we couldn't do anything. But I got all the stuff ready for a camp out there and all that. We got a storage locker out there with all the balls, rackets and all that stuff, art supplies, Legos and all that. Ready to do it in Dayton, because I got family there. I got people who can do it. But a huge goal of mine is to replicate it, like Peter said. And eventually, like I got a friend, I got family in Gary, Indiana, which is a very low income place. And my main, main goal would be to get to Compton in Chicago at one point and be able to do this there and show that it can be done really, really anywhere. Yeah, you know, Jordan, if you wanted to raise some real money, you get Peter and me to do some pickup basketball in public. They'll come for miles around, won't they? A Compton channel, for sure. So Peter, what would you add? What would you add? I would only add, and it's completely consistent with what Jordan said, is if you are interested in participating and we're all facing some challenging financial times, please consider donating your skills. And please consider, as you go through your house, donating in the old art supplies, preferably paint that's not dry, pens and pencils, little things really do matter. Now, if you're listening and you can write a check for $50,000, I don't think Jordan would refuse that. But if you're listening and you, for example, know how to throw a frisbee really well, well, call Jordan. And those are very important non-monitors, particularly maybe for people who are retired or part-time work. There's a lot of contributions you can make. And that would be my only, which it goes fully with what Jordan's saying. I would just, you know, if you go to the website and you really are not in a position to donate money, you can donate your time, your skills. I think eventually the library would like some books, some more books, so things like that. You know, it's all possible, even during the pandemic. We just have to be a bit more careful. Yeah. You know, so Jordan and... So call the number on the website and they'll talk to me directly. Jordan, and I know that, well, in Dayton, Ohio, do they ever use the word mitzvah? Probably just the Jewish people. Peter, Peter, would you explain the relationship of Hapamana and mitzvah? Well, mitzvah is not translated as chair. A mitzvah is an act of justice to repair the world. So it's an act where you do it not expecting anything in return, right? It's not charity. Not that your soul is going to happen. It's kind of an old testament, or in this case, say, kind of a political left-wing desire, which of course will be erased now, that you just do justice. And you do justice because, well, to quote one of my favorite directors, Spike Lee, it's just the right thing to do. You know, you don't do it because somebody's going to say that's the right thing. You don't participate in Hapamana requiring a kid to write a thank you letter. You do it because it's the right thing to do. That's a mitzvah. And the world is built in our tradition on small mitzvahs. You know, each day, you should do something that is the right thing. That's not political or partisan. It's just a sense of what we call tikuna law, which is repairing the world. Do we have any time left? We don't. Okay. I'll just say really quickly, it goes back to the story of Noah. Wow, that's going back. Right. After destroying the world, right, there was allegedly a rainbow, which all of us listening to this could appreciate Hawaii. But if you live in Hawaii, you'd appreciate rainbows much more. And the idea was that, you know what, God's done his business. Now that's up to you guys. You know, you messed up. I repaired the world once. Now you've got to repair it. And if you don't repair it, you know, kind of tough luck. And the rainbow is a sign of that. So what you're doing is a mitzvah. But I think it's also a mitzvah, not just for the kids, it's for the participants. It's a mitzvah for the art teacher to help spread art and beauty. It's a mitzvah for Judah to teach other kids how to toss a frisbee. So in a way, it's building society. And it's really necessary now with the pandemic to try to figure out how we can keep society together. So when we actually get going back again, we can get going running. We don't have to learn how to walk again. I'm worried we have to learn how to walk again. Amen to that. Yeah, I'd like us to try to keep walking now. So when we get over this pandemic, which we will, right? I mean, at some point, we can really hit the ground running. We don't have to relearn everything. Thank you, Peter. Peter Hoffenberg, Jordan Conley, Jordan, it is a mitzvah. However you define it, what you do is a mitzvah every day. Thank you for doing that. Aloha, you guys. Aloha. Thank you very much. Aloha.