 This is State Tech Hawaii. Community Matters here. Hey, hello. How you doing? Gordo the Tech Star here. Well, here we go again, another exciting and thrilling episode of Hibachi Talk. So please pull up a chair, grab a libation. I think this is our 155th show. All in those three years, I'm here. Mr. Lanning, sir. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm in a state of shock. I'm real. I'm sorry I've been traveling. Mr. Lanning has been traveling and presenting security matters. Items around the entire area. Thanks, Rick, for helping out in here while I've been gone. Around the globe. But you're here and then you leave on Monday. Well, yeah, but I'll be back. I won't be gone so long. I'm really sorry. You and Arnold, I'll be back. Anyway, it's great that you are being recognized for your knowledge base in this area of cybersecurity and physical security and how they overlap. There's not too many people in this day and age that are very familiar with that. There's a lot to share. You know, I mean, it's interesting. I hit five conferences in a row, right? So everyone there, of course, is sharing and interested in elevating their knowledge. And, you know, it takes all of us learning all the time. And I'm fortunate to be able to give what I give, because I've been given a lot, you know, from others. And so I'm taking that knowledge. And you never know what helps one person, right? And so if we, you know, from my perspective, we save one life. We protect one business, you know, we protect some employees at some business. Then we've done our job. And that's what it's about. And that's what it's all about. You see things that happened with YouTube yesterday. Yeah. And, you know, and the stuff that's happening just all over the globe that has to be now. It's the real world. Yeah. You have to be visual. And then you have to be technically secure. We have a lot of work ahead. As opposed to the, like, you know, the DMV who, our city DMV. Yeah, what happened over there? So it loses 66,500 plus records because there's no backup in this day and age with cloud and all the other things that are happening on. Like, that's their excuse. No backup. We got to get. Yeah. No, the backup. We should get Todd on here. The backups couldn't work. Oh, nobody tested it. The disk drives got destroyed or whatever. You know what? Someone needs to do a deeper dive on this. I'd be more than happy to, but. You know that you and I both know, like, when you, you've got to test your backups, right? You need to test those restorals and make sure they work. This is a, this is normal. This is common. IT maintenance, right? This is not, it doesn't happen, it shouldn't happen to a DMV. When you've got, when you've got cloud, Amazon web services and all these other products and services out there that will do the backups for you. When you're dealing with DMV. Maybe we can get somebody. DMV probably won't talk, but maybe, maybe Todd could come in and give us some comments. Yeah. Someone will get someone to come in. So anyway, today our topic is going to be. Cryptocurrency life cycle equivalence. So because. Oh, yeah. What's it like? Okay. I want to talk about, you know, this would be my fourth show, I think, on cryptocurrencies and so on. So we're going to talk about life cycle equivalence, like where we are in this cryptocurrency phenomenon that's going on in the world right now. And so, and we've had some really interesting guests on and talked about their involvement and everything from master nodes to Bitcoin mining to, you know, people that invest in it and trying to. I think that, I think that Habasi talk may be the single source of high level cryptocurrency knowledge in the state of Hawaii. I'm thinking about doing a, well, and it started to work out this way. About once a month I'm doing a cryptocurrency kind of. Like an update. Theme show and so on. There's, there's so much. A lot of people haven't done their homework on it yet. So they don't know. And so my plan today, and I've got a bunch of slides, but we're not going to get through them all. But my plan today is to just kind of give people an understanding where I think we are in the curves of where we are with the technology adoption and so on. And speaking of technology adoption, you sent me a great slide. Do you like that? I like it. And guess what? If we're going to put it up next. So, but let me go back up. Let's put the first one up again that we had at the beginning of the title of the show, the cryptocurrency life cycles. So, you know, we're right here. So remember ATM machines? Yeah. What brought you to Hawaii? That's right. You're an ATM guy. 1979 was the first ATM machine in Hawaii. And look what an ATM machine does now as opposed to what it did when it first got here. It's a computer. It's a computer and we can do all kinds of banking with it and all kinds of transactions. It knows who I am by my phone. I love it. You can do all kinds of things. I have no money in it. I don't know why. What about the Nescape web browser when that started? What did that do to the internet? I remember specifically when I was developing websites, people said to me, why do I need a website? This thing ain't going to be around long. So now what has the access to the worldwide web done in that short period of time? It's been 25 years. To businesses worldwide, communications, transactions, I don't care what it is. Everything. Everything. But why do I need a web page? Digital transformation. I remember that. So then the next one is like mobile devices. Why do I need a web? So mobile devices. Here we are now with mobile devices. This is what we've got. By the year 2020, 100% of the world will own one of these, a mobile, not necessarily an iPhone. 100% of the globe by 2020, that's only a year and a half away, will own a mobile device. And when was that? The iPhone was what, 10 years old? 10 years old. This year was the 10 year anniversary. Look at the pace of adoption. So and think of what's happened with that, the adoption, what it's done to change our lives, whether it be getting email, we don't talk about email done. Well, healthcare monitoring, everybody, the thing is, it's like your life. It's your life. Everybody walks around buried in a mobile device. What about mobile apps? The mobile apps that are now loading up on this, that are free. Yeah. The free 99 apps. So these are just, so I'm just trying to think about, you know, what has some of been some of the major ones. And there's a ton. I'm going to show the next slide. I'll show you right now. So if you look at this slide, and this shows adoption of technology in the U.S. from 1900 to 2010. Yeah. And see, 2010, we've got Bitcoin in here. Look at the telephone in 1900. Yeah. And then all the other different technologies. It took it 100 years to get the same level of adoption as, where's the iPhone down there? Look at the orange line. The iPhone's at almost 90% already. Yeah. So viewers, if you're looking more to the right here, look at the adoption of technology and how straight the lines are getting. Yeah. And how much it gets, it's happening. This is pretty cool stuff. Mobile's crazy. It's just crazy. Mobile's crazy. Yeah. Mobile's crazy. That's almost like, almost total 100% saturation in less than eight years. Okay. And look at Bitcoin. Yeah. It's just started. So where are we in this curve? So it says Bitcoin is, that was in 2010, a little bit beyond 2010. Bitcoin came out in 2009. So we're now in 2017 or 18. It's trading at a route, as of today, $6,800 per Bitcoin. Okay. March was a terrible month if you were, if you were playing with the Bitcoin space. An investor. And there's reasons for that too. Of course, you probably don't have time to get into it. That's another show. But so we're here in the Bitcoin. So let's go to the next slide, which I kind of like, you know, we see these bell curves on where technology is happening. Yeah. So, you know, if you look at the, so let's just use the internet as an example. Okay. Yeah. We had innovators back in the early days, and then we had early adopters, and then we had the early majority that got in. Then we had the late majority that got into the internet, and then it just, the laggers, those that came at the very end. And it was over a period of time. So, you know, in my rough estimation, I think Bitcoin is somewhere around this spot in the adoption life cycle. 10%? Yeah. You know, maybe 10, 20%, you know, 10%, 10%. You think blockchain is a little higher than Bitcoin itself? I think blockchain is a little bit higher itself. Yeah. Because the blockchain is starting to get more legs in other industries. Sure. But, you know, again, I'm trying to give perspectives of where we might be. So the next slide we have is another view at this. And, you know, I do my research on this to try to find, okay, where do we think, where do I think this technology is after 50 years in the business? Where do we think this is? And so highlighted in yellow, you can see, highlighted in yellow is where I think the spots are now in this, the curve that we're in. Initially, the technology triggers when, you know, the blockchain was created and all the related things that were happening to the blockchain. Right. And then, AKA, then Bitcoin gets added to it. I think now we're in this stage, and if you look at what's happening with the Bitcoin currency, declining in value, you know what I'm saying? So we got, what's happening now? We had, at the peak of that curve, I'm going to tell you when that date was, when I believe that date was. That was the Monday after Thanksgiving last year. Okay. And this is why I based it on that. The Monday after Thanksgiving last year, Coinbase, who can't work here in Hawaii because of our great square, that's another, that's another episode. Coinbase on that Monday, by that Monday, had 300,000 new clients. Everyone talked about it over Thanksgiving holidays. Exactly. And then everybody bought in on Monday morning. And everybody bought in, and then the fear, the utmost, the fear of missing out, started to jump in on it. That's why, but at December, Bitcoin was trading at almost $20,000. Yeah, it just went through the roof. It went through the roof. And so we were at that, we were at that peak. And now if you look at what was highlighted in yellow, we get negative press beginning, tons of it. Yeah, there was a couple of, there were some thefts and some hacks and people lost their wallet, lost their password. Well, no, more than that, you know, Google says they're not going to allow ICOs to advertise anymore. Facebook says they're not going to be able to do things with initial coin offerings. LinkedIn starts to do this. So now you're getting all the, the, the, the, The pushback. The pushback. Against technology. Against the technology. And you've got, you've got supplier consolidation. So you're seeing a lot of the consolidation now of those that were in the cryptocurrency supplier business, whether they were exchanges, traders and such. Oh. The trading. And is mining the same thing? Mining. So you used to mine one, now you might mine many or whatever. Well, yeah, well, mining is actually becoming just a global business. We're going to talk about the mining part in a, in a little bit. So I think we're now kind of coming down into this trough. Okay. And it's, and it's where, and it's where the technology has been, what I've experienced in my, my life. I can tell you right now that internet went this way, mobile devices went this way, ATMs went this way. All the things I've seen fell into these kinds of curves for some reason or another. So I think, and right now I find it's interesting, about 5% of the US population are involved in Bitcoin. 5%. 5%. And if you look at this, wow. Less than 5% of the potential audience has adopted it fully. And we're kind of like, so we're right in this, we're in the blend of this trough that's shown here on this graph. It's funny that, you know, because you remember how you talked about it earlier? I remember last year we were talking about how like, the airline miles is, is sort of the idea or an analogy for people with a virtual type of currency. Right. So it's funny that more people haven't caught on to that. Right. You know, because I thought that was a great analogy. Yeah. And so, and that, and that's what, what's happening. So the next slide I want to show is an interesting one because yesterday I was asked by a group of bankers to come and make a presentation on, on Bitcoin and, and what's happening in this space. Okay. So, and I always find it fascinating. When I go to the universities and I go to the, and I get a chance to, to talk to the students there as a guest speaker, I always ask, how many of you in the room have own cryptocurrencies? And now it's probably about half. Okay. It's about half of what, you know, of the students. Mm-hmm. Now when I go to the bankers and introduce there, and this is not necessarily every banker in the entire state, but you know, the bankers, I ask that same question not one hand. None. None. Zero. You think they don't want to admit it? Zero. And I said, yeah, if you're willing to admit it. Yeah. No, no, they're not. They're just, it's like. It's too weird. It's just there. They've got the blinders on. When they're traditionally conservative group, right? Traditionally conservative. Well, I kind of woke them up with this slide yesterday. This was the one I thought, the new technology life cycle of money. Yeah. So if you take a look at the traditional, the left side, traditional old age currencies, right? And you look at where we are again, where I think we are from a Bitcoin perspective. So we're here. And if we continue on this cycle, there will be some point when these intersect and cross and cryptocurrencies will have more intrinsic value than cash and less governments shut it down. I don't think that's going to happen. And that's going to be extremely difficult because there's nothing to stop us. Yeah. How can they shut it down? Well, they can think. Were you with regulation? Well, this is where I started to get upset with the Googles of this world. I think, you know, when Google turns around and said we're not going to allow advertising about cryptocurrencies. We're not going to do this. This is this. 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Don't forget to come by and check out some of the great information on stocks, investments, your money, all the other great stuff, and I'll be your host. See you Tuesday. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Hibachi Talk. Andrew, the security guy here. I got a quick update for you from my travels. A lot of talk about the insider threat and not the malicious kind, the negligent kind, the kind that doesn't pay attention, the kind that doesn't absorb training. Make room in your program for that guy. He's going to need a little extra attention. Angus is here with us. I don't know if he's been absent like me, but he's back today with some crypto for you. Angus, what's up, buddy? Hey, Drew, I've been a wee bit absent. Have you? I missed you. Have you got any crypto on you? I'm almost traveling around the world. You're a busy guy. You're a busy guy lecturing and all those kinds of wee things. I've got to tell you about a wee exciting event coming up this weekend. Yeah. It's the Hawaii Squash Festival in Highland Games. Ah. Human Games that we say back home. Ah, there you go. They're going on a wee flyer up here. So, you know, it starts on Friday at 6 p.m. to 9 p.m., you know, the Scottish celebration. Do you throw the rock? What do they call that? What's the one? Throw the rock. Throw the rock. Throw the rock. Throw the rock. I'll throw your rocks in a minute. Anyway, the festival, you know, it goes over the whole weekend. And, you know, it's a Saturday, April the 7th, the 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. Sunday from the 8th, from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Is that the McCoy Pavilion in El Milano? I think McCoy is an Irish name, but we'll still let them go with it anyway. Come down there and meet Angus. Come on down there. They've got entertainment. They've got switchback. It's going to be playing down there. There's just a whole bunch of things. There's dancing. There's maybe a wee beer. Yeah, I think. A wee bit. A wee bit. We'll see. Just a wee bit. Anyway, a lot of the Scottish club will be there. There's a lot of great things. All right. So you want to learn about your ancestry? Because most of the wellness from Scotland. There you go. It's one of the Scottish festivals this weekend. Yeah. And if you don't know that 23 or me, I'll tell you the truth. Guaranteed there, lad. And like you said at the end of your segment, let your wing gang free. Where are you at me? Hello? Ha! See you this weekend. Nice, Angus. Yeah. Come on out for the Scottish festival. Angus will be there. Maybe he'll buy you a beer. Maybe you can buy him a beer. I don't know. All right. Back to crypto, brother. Back to crypto. So where did we leave off? We left on the bankers. We left on the bankers. You were scaring the bankers. Scaring those. We were scaring the bankers. That's what we were doing. The paper money. We were doing on that. I want to bring up my slide deck here and go to the next slide. And we've done shows on this. I want to kind of show about the underlying infrastructure that helps to keep this thing growing. Okay. And how it works. And I'm not going to go into the detail of it because I've done that on, if you go to, there's two previous shows I've done. One where I talked about Bitcoin itself and how it works. Okay. Through Bitcoin mining. Yes. And then I did another show with Aaron Nakaoka. Okay. Who talked about masternodes. Okay. And how they work within the cryptocurrency mining entity. So let's bring up, and there's over, there's over 2,000 digital currencies today. Yeah. And that's right. Isn't that something? It's something. That's right. Talk about that adoption curve. I want to get an Angus coin. There you go. They're so cheap. They never pay for it. Well, I didn't say anything. Angus Bitcoin down there. Anyway. So look at this. So they got over 2,000 digital currencies, but there's processes that are, that are done to encourage the growth and use of these currencies. Now Bitcoin uses a concept called proof of work. It's still mine. Ethereum, another coin that's very popular. Does that ripple is mine. But then you've got Dash, Pepe and others that are done through masternodes. Okay. And we're going to talk a little bit about this. And I don't know guys, if you were able to get to the point where you could bring up a website. There was the one that's at the bottom on that slide that says cryptoport.com. I don't know if you were able to do that and be able to bring that up and show it live. If you can't, and the viewers are looking at it, go to that website and you'll see a lot that's happening in the crypto space and the values of what these coins are. Okay. And I'm going to give you an example. Bitcoin right now from a market cap standpoint is 128 billion. Wow. One to 8 billion. That's more than most countries. Yes. Most countries. Airline miles. Been around for a long time. What do you think their market cap is? A billion. Four billion. Four billion. And they've been around for 35, 30 years, right? So you've got a 20-some-odd billion versus four billion to give you a sense. That's a 30x. That's a huge difference. So anyway, let's talk about the Bitcoin transaction life cycle. I have a good slide up here that will help people understand how this works. And the key to this is that you've got to get a Bitcoin wallet and you can get those online. That's what I did. You get an online wallet. There's a number of them out there that you can get. And then once you get that wallet, then you can get a work out of transaction. I think I did not do it. We did one right on the right hand side. And I had just opened that wallet. Opened the wallet and I transferred some Bitcoin or a portion of the Bitcoin to you. That's right. Which was done. And it's still up 400%. I just want to tell people. So it's up 400%. That was way after Christmas. It was after the crash after Christmas. So then I fill in the amount. I send it. So there's all the users are involved. And then the machines kick in. And the wallet signs the transaction. The transaction is propagated and validated through the network. The miners, this is the important part. The miners then authenticate that transaction. That transaction takes a period of time. Usually less than 10 minutes. Most of the time within seconds. Then here's the key. Once that miner in a Bitcoin transaction authenticates that transaction and has been validated that that transaction is real. Like I had the money to give you. You had the wherewithal to accept it. Once that happens, 12 and a half new Bitcoins get introduced into the network. Oh. I didn't know it was that many. 12 and a half right now. So once we hit. Every transaction. Every transaction. That's a lot. That's a lot. And right now we're at 16 plus million Bitcoins in the network. Okay. The max can only be 21 million. So that's where the valuation comes back later. And that's where the valuation is. After the curve drops off, they become rarer. They'll go up in value. But what happens is, is that every 210,000 blocks, the value, the reward gets cut in half. Oh. So now it goes to six and a quarter Bitcoins. Gotcha. So by the year 2040, I think they're saying something like that. The maximum number of Bitcoins that can go into this market will be hit. So it's not like the government. They can't print any more money. Oh. I try. They can't. But then what's going to happen with the way the mining works? So this is the discussion. It's like, how will mining work when they can't introduce any more Bitcoins into the... Yeah. They won't want to mine. Or it'll be a transaction fee. Or a percentage. It's how things work. Well, they just fork it into another. Oh, they can do a fork? They can do all kinds of things. You'll just buy Ethereum. Yeah. You trade your Bitcoins for your fork. Bitcoin cash will happen or some other thing will spin off from it. Yeah. I got you. But you've got it. So that's an interesting thing to look forward down the road. Yeah. The miners will make sure that happens. I'll be 100. Your Bitcoin wallet will be big in 2040. I hope so. Unfortunately, I won't be around. I won't be around to take much of it. So anyway, if you just bring up that slide, we have a second to go with the... So when you look at the mining, what happened on that, the get down to the bottom, the nodes verify the results, and then the transaction is propagated and the wallet signed, and we're at the end. So that's a very, very simple overview of how the process works. There's all kinds of cool things that happen from a security perspective in this whole cycle. So I talked about a digital wallet. I thought I'd throw up a slide with a couple of examples of digital wallets, but I'm not... By no means am I endorsing these wallets. Any particular wallet. Any particular wallet. But people will say, well, what's a wallet? You can look online and do your own homework. There's uphold, coin-based dice, dash, copay, jack, pipay. Kraken has one. I mean, it's just a whole bunch of things that are up there. But those are the digital wallet that you can use. And we had a guy on the show that built a one. That was the guy that was on the show that built the digital wallet for point-of-sale transaction. Right. Specifically for people. Yeah. So you could use your Bitcoin wallet to purchase McDonald's or whatever. At the point of sale. At the point of sale. That's awesome. And he's selling that around the country now. Yeah. Amazing. Kind of an amazing thing. So now I'm going to quickly jump into... Man, this is fast. Hey, is it... If you're not following this, I totally understand. Are they still playing, but are they still... Can you still win and play for Bitcoin in the gaming industry? Because that's where this came from. So is Bitcoin still alive in that space? Oh, in the gambling space and in the slide deck. I mean, like the 3D gamers. You know those guys. Yes. Oh, yeah. The 3D gamers are in there. You can... Have you heard of CryptoKitties? No, I have not. So CryptoKitties is a... Right now they're about $12 million has been spent in CryptoKitties. CryptoKitties are in using Bitcoin or crypto or using cryptocurrencies. You can go online, sign on and open up a CryptoKitties account and then you can make your own kitties. Your own little kitty cats. Kittens. Kittens. Okay. And then you trade them or you sell them? Or you sell them. So remember people have beanie babies? Yeah. Oh. Pogs. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So now you can... There's CryptoKitties where you can go in there and use your cryptocurrency to... Make a kitty. To buy two unique kitties to create your own unique kitty. Or many of them. They don't have dogs, do they? Don't tell my wife. Oh, they'll start one. They'll start one. CryptoPuppies. But I was looking, there was one guy... I do not have a CryptoKitties account but there was one guy... There's one guy has one of his kitties is for sale for $235. In CryptoKitties. In CryptoKitties. So... And then there's people up there... Is it nice or something? This one's kind of cool because it's a graphic. So you can actually end up... You end up owning this graphic. Well, it's rare. There's only one of it. Yeah, it's rare, right? There'll be only one graphic of this type and you could make that graphic your logo within your company or whatever and there will never be another one like it. Yeah, so you think about digital artistry. Digital artistry and what's happening with all of it. Virtual value to a piece of art that's digital. Oh, okay. So... I hadn't even... This isn't going fast for me. Yeah, again. Let's just go... I'm not on security yet. You can Google it on Bing or Bing it on Google. You can go Bitcoin gambling. You can go Bitcoin gaming. You can go Cryptocurrency gambling. Cryptocurrency gaming. There's one where you actually... You can become a real estate baron and buy and sell real estate but it's electronic real estate. And then... You mean it's virtual? It's virtual real estate and you are in there with all the others and you buy floors in a building. You build a building. You rent the floor out to somebody. Also it's gamification but they're also using cryptocurrency to fund what's going on in there and there's teaching them about real estate. Wow. Wow. That's interesting. It'll be commercial real estate so there's a teaching factor in there. So if you want to become like a Donald Trump in the virtual world you can... And you're competing with your fellow man and woman to be the head of the whole thing. That's crazy. That's crazy. There's a lot going on in Cryptocurrency and Bitcoin. There's just a ton. And I haven't even gotten into it. So we've actually burned through the whole thing. Yeah. We need weeks of episodes. We need weeks and weeks and weeks. I do want to point out that if you go down to Cherokee at the Alamon Shopping Center I don't know if it's still there but a month or so ago there was a Bitcoin ATM machine at Cherokee in Alamon. No. We could actually go and buy Bitcoin. Is that one of yours? No. We didn't want to get into that with the estate. There you go right there. Yeah. So there it is. Bitcoin ATMs at Cherokee. That's awesome. So down there in the... And I can take it. I can go from my Coinbase purse into that. Yeah. Right on my phone. Once you get your digital wallet you put cash into that machine. Man, transfer it. And it will send you... Oh, can you go the other way? No. Oh, I see. You're buying Bitcoin. I see. Okay, got you. Fair enough. At least that's... Well, the last time I checked things changed. Those curves and what's happening in there. Anyway, we never got through the whole thing. I knew we wouldn't get through the whole thing. That'll last a few more episodes. Next time we'll come back and we'll talk about mining and masternodes and how that works within this field. Because it's continually changing. And I'm not telling you to invest in cryptocurrency at all. Am I invested? Yes. Am I making money? No. So I'm not telling you to get into that space, but if you want to have fun, it ain't bad. Am I making money? No. I now own 3% of a Bitcoin mining operation. Nice. Yeah. So we'll see how well that does. Angus is mining. Yeah. Oh, we should start that. Anyway, thanks again everybody for watching us here on Hibachi Talk. Andrew, the security guy who has a new show coming up. We'll be doing security... Matters. Matters. With a Z. That's right. Security Matters. Or a Z if you're in Scotland. It'll be starting on the 20th. 20th of April. 10 o'clock on Fridays. 10 o'clock on Fridays. AM. Another spin-off of Hibachi Talk. What can I say? Thank you. Create opportunities. Anyway, thanks a lot. Gangs. Gangs. Gang. For watching us. 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