 Namaskaram, how are you all doing? Namaskaram. We are excited to have your audience. Very tough time for all the doctors. I am Professor Akshay Anand, I am a neuroscientist. Namaskaram. Namaskaram. We have a journal Integrative Medicine case reports which is edited at PGI Chandigarh. Some of my colleagues are the editorial board members and beyond that we have two physicians with us. One public health professor and two of us as scientists. We are glad that we are able to have a discussion with you on this. All of you very highly qualified people, why are you speaking to an ignorant person like me? Because we are in a very special situation which is very complex and we believe that it requires some mind-body massage. Because we at PGI, one of the largest medical institute in north-west of India, catered to about 150,000 patients, published about 100 research papers every year and most of them are super specialists and under the guidance and leadership of our director professor Jagat Ram, we have identified a block completely dedicated to COVID. It's the COVID block. The opportunities are closed and there is an extended lockdown. Despite our best expertise and all the resources at our hand, there is something where we need your guidance and your spiritual blessings. I will now introduce to you Professor Ashish Bhalla, who is a professor of medicine at our institute. Incidentally, he is a Sadhguru, also our COVID chairman. This is the COVID logistics and medical care and everything. I will invite him to take the blessings and guidance on a few questions he may have. Namaskar, sir. Sir, as you know that we are going through a very tough time in this pandemic. Everyone is scared. Even all the healthcare workers, the doctors, the nurses are scared. This is the fear of the unknown. What will happen to me? In this time, when you have this fear of the unknown, how do we deal with this fear of the unknown? And how do we keep our morale high if you can guide us on this? Namaskaram to all of you. Well, as you said, these are definitely challenging times. As a generation of people, we have never faced a situation like this. The many manifestations of what could happen out of this, how our lives could change, whether all of us will stay alive by the end of this year or not, all of this has become a question. Particularly in the minds of healthcare workers, because you're continuously exposed to this. So one most important thing is we are still waiting for... I know there are some things are being done, but this must be done at a war footing, because this is a kind of war. This is more than a war. The wars are usually fought at the borders of a nation. This is a war that is fought at every individual level, never before such a war has happened in this country. So, having said that, this handling at war footing means I'm sure... I'm sure if you give samples of these protective gear that is most vital for the healthcare workers, any number of innovations can be locally made to protect the people. And this has to be done, I'm sure efforts are being made, but I feel I've been urging private industries and others to take it up by themselves and produce these things at a very large scale so that one who goes out to serve other people is never at risk. This has to be done well in the initial few weeks we have struggled because nobody really thought of the scale of what will be needed. Fortunately, because of the lockdown, the scale has been contained. We must clearly understand we have only contained the virus, not conquered the virus. In no way have we conquered the virus. We've just contained it with social distancing and lockdown, forced lockdown really well, I would say it is... in India it is a success that way because for the density of the population that we have, by now it could have gone totally out of control. It has not, fatalities are increasing, but still for the density of population we have, this is not very bad yet, but the moment lockdown begins to relax, how it will go, what challenges the medical infrastructure in the country will face is a very... you know, it's a very dire situation. So the most important thing to keep the medical personnel active and inspired is they must be well protected, their families must be well protected. This is an absolute necessity that the government should take up, private industries must take up. Everybody who is capable in some way to contribute to this must happen. I think that is where the fear originates. May I now introduce to you Sadhguru, Professor of Psychiatry, Dr. Sandeep Grover. He is also an ICMR awardee and well published. He had a couple of questions, but he will ask you the first question and maybe we can go to him the second question. This is the first time I am being questioned by a psychiatrist. It's my pleasure, sir. What we are seeing at this moment that there's a lot of stigma attached to the COVID-19 infection and when people are dealing, those people who are dealing at first line healthcare workers, they are themselves being stigmatized by their colleagues who are working away from the COVID-19 patients. So, how do we address this issue of stigma for the healthcare workers, which they are facing in the hand of their own colleagues and in general public because we have heard the stories of doctors being not allowed to stay in the as tenants in the homes or they have been trashed by people in their neighborhood. So, how do we deal with that? Well, it is not a question of stigma as the first question came, it is more about fear. People are afraid that they may get it. People are afraid their families may get it, especially those who have senior citizens in their homes in the form of parents, grandparents, they are very afraid to come near anybody who could be a possible infection. So, let us not call it as stigma or discrimination. It is more fear of being infected. I feel that is a good thing that people are afraid of being infected so that they will maintain the distance. So, this is also important among the medical community as you said, the colleagues and the neighbors and those who reside with you, they need to be educated. But anyway, one thing we need to understand is for the first time in my lifetime, I am seeing the level of regard and respect and appreciation that people have for the medical fraternity has never been as great as it is now. So, let us not take a few cases of prejudice and stigmatization that has happened and a little bit of violence also that happened, unfortunately, has been largely put down. I would say never before have people looked at medical personnel, doctors and nurses with the level of respect and appreciation that is happening right now. Any human being who puts his own life out to serve another life becomes worship worthy and that is what is happening right now. Let us not demoralize ourselves with a few incidents that happened in the country. Thank you, Sadhguru. That was very nicely put, putting into the context and basically reassuring that the exceptions do not prove the rule. We should not generalize it. We'll now move to Professor Sonu Goyal, Sadhguru. Professor Sonu Goyal works on tobacco control. He's a professor of public health and a lot of preventive work. What is happening? What are the trends we discuss about the flattening of curve? Those are the kind of areas that he interfaces with. Dr. Sonu, please ask your question to Sadhguru. Namaskar, sir. Namaskar. It's a fortunate situation for me actually to talk to you and ask question at this moment of our and I am professor of public health and involved in contact tracing and providing education to the community as well as COVID patients and the healthcare givers in my institute. So my question is in continuation with Dr. Ashish Bhalla, which asked about fear and Dr. Ashish Grover, which asked about stigma. So in these challenging times, the health worker during my interaction with various health workers of my institute and even in Chandigarh, Punjab, I found that the health worker has to perform two type of duties. One is professional duty of taking care of Corona patients. And the second, a family duty of reaching home safe and taking care of the family. So in this situation, which is challenging, which you should think is more important and timely resolve this ethical dilemma, which is always preoccupied in the mind of all health workers like us. Right now, I would say at this stage of this development of this virus situation in the country, it is more a kind of a social phenomena rather than a medical phenomena. Once the numbers increase in a big way, then it becomes a real medical phenomena. I want the medical fraternity to gear themselves up for that. Right now the load on the doctors and what is demanded of them has not reached its peak. Still it is a social thing. Socially we can manage this, that's where it is right now. But inevitably, as the lockdown cannot continue forever, as it relaxes, then it will fall in your lap. So you must keep yourself very balanced and strong. And above all, you must understand what you are trained for professionally. This is most important right now for this generation of people. This is a generational challenge. Whether we will come out of this successfully or we will be a disaster, this is something we can decide by how we act. And a large part of that capability is in your hands as doctors and nurses and the other staff which works with you. So at this time, let us not think in terms of which one should I do more family or this family which should be well provided for definitely. I think... I'm sorry if I say something that hurts all of you, but I think probably it is best that none of you go home for the next two months. Really? If you are concerned about your family, that is the best thing to do because this is going to spread in such a way that we will be putting everybody to risk. So it is important medical personnel have the necessary protective gear, absolute protective gear and their families are protected from themselves because we do not know in what form. Because people are saying they're cleaning everything, they're changing their gear but they're going with the same shoes. They're saying hospital floor is the worst place when there are COVID patients and it could go with your shoes, it could go in some way. It is very important that your families are protected from you. Your loved one should not be affected by your profession and this is a profession which is sacred. Most of the time in normal times people may not realize this is the time everybody is realizing this. How important this medical training is in a society. This is the time the whole society as a nation, as a world we are realizing how important it is. So at this time do not create doubts in your mind how significant is your profession, it's absolutely significant. This is a generational challenge. We must come out of this in a positive and successful way. This if we conduct, if the society conducts itself responsibly this can pass off as a minor aberration in our generation. But if the society does not conduct itself responsibly this could become a major calamity of our generation. In this you have, all of us have a role to play but you have a significant role to play. Let us not create any doubts and confusions in our mind at a point like this. Thank you, Sadhguru. That was excellent. Very inspiring to put the dilemma at rest and basically Sonu Vati, Sadhguru said was to bring home the point that we do not go for two months and overcome our dilemma by action and risk taking. Thank you, Sadhguru. I will now introduce you to Dr. Pramod Apti. He is Associate Professor in Biophysics. He has a strong interest like I have in Integrative Medicine and also does a lot of computational bioinformatics and biocomputing. Dr. Pramod, would you like to ask a question to Sadhguru? Namaskaram, Sadhguruji. Namaskaram. My privilege at this point of time be interacting with you and other team members of our institute. My question would be at this point of stressful conditions and the fear both at the national as well as the global level. What are the best methods which would make the healthcare professionals as well as other professionals globally because it is a challenge at this point of time that how and what the methods they can adopt to stay mentally strong as well as at the same time have the methods to improve the immunity. Well, about mental strength, this is something that human being should strive for all their life. When there is a crisis, you seek mental strength, then it will be far more challenging than building it through our life. Essentially, instead of looking at it as mental strength, let us look at it as simple balance. All that needs to happen in a human being is just this. If your thoughts and emotions are directed by you, not in compulsive reaction to what's around you, then staying in a balanced condition is not a problem. Right now, for most human beings, their mental state is in constant compulsive reaction to what is around them. Because of this, they are going, hey, why are it's not only now, not because of the virus, even otherwise when they had to go to work, they were freaking about the work. Now they have to sit at home, they're freaking about that. Tell me about what they're not complaining in their life, just about everything. But these challenging times really puts you to a test and brings out the worst in some people, but at the same time it brings out the best in most people. You will see people will rise and do things that they wouldn't have done in normal times. As things get tough, you will see many human beings will rise and do the best possible things that they would have never thought of doing in their lives. So that will also happen, this will also happen. So this is a choice that each individual, each one of us have, do we want to be a part of the problem or do we want to be a part of the solution? This is all. I beseech everyone, you must be a part of the solution. For medical personnel, you know what to do, all this stuff. But for common people, all I'm saying is, your business is to see that you don't get infected. Somehow, just make sure you're not infected. Suppose, beyond your care, somehow it happened to you. If it so happened, you ensure nobody else gets it from you. This much responsibility, if everybody takes, the work of the medical personnel will come down dramatically and it will come to a manageable level. Otherwise, it will go to a place where we have to make ugly decisions. Already these things are happening. Well, in Italy, they are making a judgment by age. That is, who should get the treatment, who should not get the treatment. They are counting age and the number of years left in a person's life. So, if it comes to sharing the ventilator between you and me, you will get it, I will go. Okay? I'm saying, these ugly decisions we will have to make between you and your mother, if you have to share a ventilator, you will get it and she will die. These are ugly, ugly things that should not happen in human life. Unfortunately, we will drive the situation there if we do not behave responsibly. So, the leadership, the Prime Minister, continuously talking to the people, trying to make them understand the significance. But a few people, including unfortunately in some parts of the world, even medical professionals, saying there is nothing to be done, just get back to work, let's see what happens. What happens will not be a nice thing to see because the kind of situations we will have to handle will not be good at all for us. About enhancing our immune system, we have simple processes, we have very sophisticated complex processes to enhance immune system. To tell you, in the last thirty-nine years, almost every day, almost literally every day, I have public engagements and I'm travelling insistently. In spite of that, I have not cancelled a single event yet because I'm not well. That means my immune must be working pretty well. With all the airplanes and the travel and the exposure to people, any number of infections you can… I am always in United States during the springtime. When flu will be running all over the place, I am one of the few people who never takes a flu shot and never gets flu. One thing is being careful about things. Another thing is, you must also make your immune system robust by the way you live. So those practices cannot be done now, but we have… we have very simple practices, twelve to twenty-minute practices that people can do three to four times a day and enhance the immune system. If you wish, we will provide those videos for you. This you can even… I don't know if there is some kind of check to see whether it improves in a short span of time, but this will definitely enhance immune system. And another dimension of these practices is, suppose today you start the practice, next one week you are doing it well, suddenly you find on the eighth day you are not able to do it. This means you have some respiratory problem. It may not necessarily be this particular virus, but in some way your respiratory system is not functioning at the full. So it is also kind of a test for an individual whether my respiration is happening well or is there a issue before the other symptoms show up. Already you know lungs are not functioning at their full capacity. So these practices can be given to common people, they can practice it at home without any risk. So such things can be given to enhance immune system and also like a check. About mental balance, it's very, very important that we understand we are the source, the source of human experience is within us. Whether we right now make ourselves fearful, agitated, balanced, tranquil, turmoil, joyful, miserable is entirely our making because the source of human experience is within us. It is coming from within us. What comes from within us must happen the way we want it. In challenging times it becomes all the more important. Thank you, Sadhguru. I hope he satisfied you, Dr. Pramod. Yes, definitely. He inspired again. A lot of people. You want to say something? Dr. Pramod? No, no. I'm done with my question. So we would love to have Sadhguru's blessing in obtaining those protocols and maybe in the healthcare workers we could circulate that and experience that. We have Dr. Grover and Dr. Bhalla who is already looking after the COVID protocols. And, Sadhguru, would you also be open to us experimenting with them given the regulatory approvals and the tools, the molecular tools, the physiological tools and the psychological tools that we have in collaboration with your institute? Definitely. I'm sorry. 100% we are open to those things. We had a discussion with a group of doctors who've been working with us. A few from India, rest from United States. This is being led by a particular anesthesiologist from Harvard University who's trying to lead this group. But what I see is that they all try to go by normal protocols which will take years of work. I think this is not a time for that. This one simple process called simha kriya we will give for which respiratory action will enhance itself and immune system will happen. I don't know how you will test it. But if you can just test ten people and see if there is improvement, I think without hesitation we must teach it to large number of people. Another thing is we will give you another process called isha kriya which will bring mental balance and strength, you know psychologically it will strengthen you in a certain way. These two things can be given. But we should not go by the normal protocols which will take years. Anything you say in United States research means they will say we will apply for funding, we will do this, we will do that. Those processes this is not a time. At this time we know by our experience it works. It works wonderfully well for me. It works for millions of people around us. So, but you need some kind of data how to get to this data, how to arrive at this data only you can decide I am not a qualified person or an expert in this field. But this much I know it works for me. Yes, Sadhguru, I will now quickly ask Dr. Grover have you any additional question or shall I take the questions from my other faculty colleagues, Dr. Grover? Take questions from other faculties. All right. So, Sadhguru, these are the questions that we had with people who are with us. There were other colleagues who couldn't make it because they were busy or they have sent those emails and WhatsApp messages to me. Can I read a few of them for you to guide us? So, one of them is an extension of what you were just telling about the experimental part of it. Do you think that apart from the nurses and the doctor's duty to perform their medical care and other things, how do you envision the role of scientists, our honorable Prime Minister yesterday when he extended the lockdown, he mentioned that he tried to push the scientists to come up with discoveries or a vaccine, please work hard. Would you like to define that duty or that assignment? Would you like to reflect on that? Definitely, if we come up with a vaccine it's wonderful, but I'm not a medical expert but what I have seen in the last decade or more in United States is every year their influenza virus keeps mutating and modifying itself and every year they keep up coming with a new vaccine. Within the first few days after the flu comes then new vaccine would have come up and they'll start administering it to millions of people. I don't know how that happens. You must be able to tell me why, how come they are able to come up with a vaccine for those viruses so quickly and what is the difficulty with this, I do not understand that you must tell me. But having said that, my simple common sense, things like this, please tell me if I am wrong, I could be wrong. All I am saying is, this virus die if it's on my hands. If I wash with common soap, the virus is dying. That means some simple chemical in a soap that I use can kill this virus. When it is so, can't we come up with some kind of a medication that will kill it in my respiratory system? Is it so hot? Because right now, I feel more than the vaccine. The treatment, an effective treatment is more important because it's anyway going to spread. So how to come up with that, what is the science behind it? I am not the person, but my simple common sense says this, if soap can destroy virus, how come we cannot destroy it in our lungs? Very nicely put I mean, you have actually raised a research question for us to apply for a grand DST, Department of Science and Technology has just announced rapid fire research proposals for six months to one year period. So I think it's good to, we will discuss after our discussion with you of how to devise a strategy to prevent it or to ensure that this doesn't go infect the body cells. Although a lot of research is now focused on developing immunity or vaccine, or the sera of the recovered patients into the people who are suffering. So those approaches are already there. But in terms of the soap analogy that you used, I haven't had, I couldn't think about that. So thank you for that. Also, also one more thing that now one, one big dynamic that has risen now is that those who are infected and recovered and tested negative are again going into positive. So this is a very complex dynamic. That means this could go through the entire humanity many times over in the next few years and by the time we vaccinate 7.6, first thing is to develop a vaccine and then to vaccinate this much population in the world is it looks very unrealistic for me. So especially because it's going into relapsed kind of infection to the same people, the present methods of what we are thinking or what we thought antibodies will develop in the body and we will fight it the next time it won't come to us and also the other problem of some of the people that I know in living in New York City, they have been infected. They have come out of it. They have tested negative now. But their respiratory action is not normal. They are struggling. This is more than six weeks over after their infection is over. Despite of that they are not at normal respiratory function. So now if this happens across let's say half the population in the world that we get reduced in terms of our activity, that risk is something that needs to be looked at scientifically. Yes, sir. Allow me to take this conversation a little forward although I'm skipping a question for my colleague but I'll quickly come to that since you already inspired a scientist curiosity how do we deal with this problem of immunity on one hand and prevention on the other hand can we take inspiration or guidance from our scriptures or whether it is Chinese medicine or Indian system or medicine where there is a reference to viparya where the cells of the body are not able to recognize who the enemies are and therefore the autoimmunity sets in such as diabetes and in fact the enemies are not considered enemies so coronavirus is not recognized by our immune system as an enemy so it does not mount an antibody response so it's probably not able to kill it. Is it something that can be maneuvered by mind body interaction by pranayama or by sadhana or recently we had a consciousness meeting at 6 p.m. last evening of course there has to be a scientific it has to be reduced to cause effect relationship it has to be testable and scalable for everybody to benefit but would you like to reflect on the concept of viparya or panchakosha? Well, at a time like this I wouldn't go for anything Chinese so if you come into the yogic sciences in the yogic sciences about how to make see fundamentally the yogic sciences go from this there is something called as panchabutas the five elements which constitute our body and the universe around us that is I mean I'll put it in English language the earth, water, wind, fire and space these five elements how well balanced and how they function within us will determine how healthy and well we are not just thinking about health alone our idea of health is that you are not just medically healthy you are at the peak of your performance you are at the peak of your perception because in yoga the most important thing is to enhance your perception if your perception has to be enhanced your body should not be an issue if you sit here you should not even know that you have a body if you become like that only then you perceive things that other people do not perceive if your body is so dense that you always feel it that means your ability to perceive is greatly restricted so having said that to get the body to this stage it means a certain level of purification this is called as bhuta shuddhi that is purifying the elements in the system based on this there are various practices but now teaching these very sophisticated practices to large number of people is an impossibility it will need a certain level of commitment but we have very simple practices which entire population can do without much instruction and there is no danger of any side effects or harm or anything like that so this is what I said the simha kriya and isha kriya will give it to you but you are talking about six months one year cycle of that no I would say in the next three days to six days if you can ascertain that this is in some way even minutely beneficial I think we should give it to people because at this time this will make a big difference right now here in the yoga center we are 2,642 people living here right now about of you know the rest of the people are stuck in various cities around the world they are not able to come back and some of you know a certain number of volunteers are out there working in rural Tamil Nadu but in this 2,642 people not a single person has a cough or a cold forget about the covid even normal cough or cold everybody is perfectly healthy simply because of the daily practice that they do and the amount of work that we turn out in a day we are all like eighteen hours work schedules seven days, 365 days these are we always live so obviously our systems are functioning at a higher level can we teach everybody this process right now no it is too sophisticated it takes a lot of instruction and understanding but the simple practices how to evaluate this not going by the normal medical protocols because that's going to take a long time you as doctors and scientists if you can arrive at a simple way of evaluating okay it is doing this so this must have this kind of impact we have some tests done by California University of California this is in 2010 that's ten years now they are still evaluating it they are still not you know interpreted what is the thing some of the BDNF factors that they have noticed they say we have never seen anything like this but for interpretation they need another grant that's not happened so it is right there like there it is it's all the this thing if you want I will send you all the results what they have found by the practice but it's not been interpreted it has not been translated one important thing they say is the proteins needed for regeneration of the neurons in the brain it is increased by two hundred and forty one percent that means the brain as you age it can rejuvenate and become better than to deplete as it normally does so but interpretation doesn't happen after ten years it's still going on it's worse than bureaucracy the whole process so let's not get into that right now if we come out with something that is useful for the country and the world it will be great if the scientists can break the normal protocols and mindsets and arrive at if something is not damaging it's beneficial by ten percent we must administer it right now because that's that is the kind of action that we need in the country yes thank you sir Guru this takes us to another question that one of my professor a lady professor asked she's an ENT surgeon she wants she's very keen on understanding the trends in these patients which are coming up as COVID patients whether they are associated with diabetes hypertension which drugs are working they talk of hydrochloroquine and those kind of studies require regulatory approvals or what are called as the ethical approvals normally as you just now said it's a long-term process and the approvals also take time so would you like to guide us or reflect on whether it is ethical to go ahead and take the patient's informed consent and do a limited study on these patients to evolve therapy or to diagnose a trend to be able to prevent it to be able to reduce the havoc that might come very shortly or if you go through the ethical approval it may take time and it may prolong and it may be too late so there is this ethics part which comes in the discharge of our duty as a scientist or as an investigator or the researcher would you like to comment on that? See the only ethic that should be for a doctor and for everybody is how to save a life Ethics are being made so that misuse doesn't happen Ethics have not been made to impede solutions in life so if you're finding a solution if your ethics are impeding a solution what is the point of that? Yes, we should take that am I an authority to say this? No, I am not an authority but right now certain things have been done in United States they have allowed car manufacturing companies to produce medical equipment they cleared it on an emergency level so if you went with the normal process this licensing process would take 5-6 years probably it's been just done like that is it ethical or not? To save a life is a very ethical thing to do to allow a life to perish because of some values and morals that we have in our head is not a good thing to do about these diabetics or people with hypertension or various HIV people who definitely are under threat for this age group you know the vulnerable age group which is there see how we understand this in yoga see if it's of any use to you let me put this across to you see the body is run by 5 main compositions of the different types of prana this is called as pranavayu samanavayu apanavayu udhana and viana the things that you mentioned in the form of diabetes blood pressure and various other things particularly diabetes is it destroys or reduces what is called as the viana prana viana prana is in charge of your preservation the cellular preservation is mainly done by viana prana so if viana prana gets reduced you become available to all kinds of things this is not necessarily directly connected with the immune system per se because we don't see it like that the yogic system does not think of immune system yogic system sees that every cell in the body wants to live every cell in this body is programmed for health and well-being but sometimes they fail sometimes they themselves work against that like every person in this country is supposed to be interested in the well-being of this country but many times either out of ignorance or because of certain intent we start working against our own country just like that the cells in the body can work against us but fundamentally this is because the viana prana has become low when the viana prana becomes low the preservative instinct in the cellular level comes down considerably and becomes available to various other possibilities of infections and whatever else so if this is of any use to you we can list out all the things which reduces viana prana those things I don't know if you will confirm it as reduction of immune system or not but where viana prana is low naturally they become susceptible to various things Thank you Sadhguru for really putting things in perspective in fact that brings me to my favorite question also aired by Dr. Pomod is this the right time is this the correct situation when we need to bring in the viana prana knowledge the Ayurveda knowledge yoga knowledge and combine it with the modern medicine and because we have an untreatable disease and many untreatable diseases might come the non-communicable diseases Dr. Sonu will agree he works on the public front have no cure diabetes otherwise has no cure it is very much management based Alzheimer has no cure and hypertension also more or less is controlled by antihypertensives but you can still hold the conversion of prehypertensives to hypotensives by just lifestyle modification so is this the right time Sadhguru that we bring in the west of the east with the west of the west if so how to model this into our healthcare system into PGI into all India Institute into Neemans Neemans already has it in fact I was told so what is in your way in your idea the best model that may propel the entire system in you know align ourselves to this definitely this is the best time to consider that but I don't think this is the best time to implement that because right now we are on a emergency function kind of thing all of you will get ten times busier than what you are right now in the next month it is going to happen one way or the other because we are such a dense population I don't believe any fanciful ideas that we will be able to control this we have successfully slowed it down which is a great thing this is only buying time we are only buying time to prepare ourselves to be able to handle this better this is not the time to go into those things but this is definitely the time to bring about simple practices which will enhance these dimensions within us and also keep kind of a watch on what kind of results it produces if the results are substantial then studies and you know integrating these systems into modern medicine these are long term efforts this cannot be done in a situation like this the day to day you will be fighting with the life and death situation for thousands of people at this time you cannot but this is a time definitely to teach some simple practice large scale and see what impact it has not as a study but to save lives and help people recover from whatever has happened to them Thank you, Sadhguru my professor in anesthesia she wants to ask this question but which you already partly answered but I will still pose it to you on our behalf she wants to know if as you also projected if the situation really gets worse then she and her colleagues may have a similar situation where they may have to choose who give the ventilator the young versus the old as it happened as we saw in Italy and some European countries to which you alluded by saying that the car company was asked to make ventilators in the US as well how do we how do we address this you have partly addressed that question but would you like to expand on it a little bit more you know this is a terrible choice that sometimes human being have to make as all of you know being doctors you know when wars happen those military doctors decide these things whether to cut off somebody's leg or not whether to let somebody die or not because you are not trained to let somebody die you are trained to see how life can be revived but making this making this decision that we will let somebody die is not a easy decision to make because an age factor or something else there is no way of making this decision but is there a perfect way of making this decision no we should ensure that we are not pushed into that place where we have to make such decisions but if it comes we will have to make such very ugly decisions which will live with us as a generation of people it will live with us for our life when we make such decisions these are challenging times it's very unfortunate but we can take some inspiration from you might have heard of people bifurcating and you know dividing the ventilator into four or five see all those juguards can be done and ventilator as far as I can see please tell me if I am wrong I see it's a simple instrument which has to be in rhythm with the you know our respiratory action and pumping oxygen and take out the carbon dioxide which is not such a complex machinery which is not such a great technology as far as I am concerned definitely innovations can be made quickly and these things can be done and probably I am you know I am as I talk about this since like before I came here I was just looking at what is the ventilator probably we can device I can easily design if somebody can execute this a ventilator which will work for hundred people at a time it can be done because it may not be a perfect ventilator adjusted to you know sophisticated adjustment to a particular person's breathing but it will be a crude ventilator which will serve this purpose and save lives at this time like you can have one big machine which just pumps in at the same level which may not be the best way of doing in normal circumstances but these are not normal circumstances we must be ready for all that So we will need to bring make necessity as the mother of invention and bring out new innovations as you said Sir Guru there is a professor of psychology in my institute and he wanted to ask a simple question how to deal with the over expectations of the public or the people who help the workers especially doctors should we deal with it should we worry about it No you must leave that for the managers of you know political leaders and other bureaucratic leaders they must manage those things you will have enough to do with the medical training that you have that must be put to be good use I don't expect doctors to manage the society managing the society should be done by political leaders, bureaucrats and others all of us we will pitch in to see that the public doesn't harass you out of their confusions whatever they have and their concerns for their loud ones and you know reactions in the society this the doctor should not worry about somebody else should manage this doctor should focus on their medical training and see how we can minimize the loss of life in this entire episode Yeah I have my last question but I would like to give an opportunity to Dr. Pramod if you if something is bubbling in your head and you are wanting to ask something otherwise I will Yeah most of the questions have come across so I guess most of the questions have been very well addressed by Sadguru Ji and really thank you for that Sonu would you like to ask any question I think I thought of Dr. Pramod that I think I have many questions in my mind initially but on listening to Sadguru Ji over a period of almost 40 minutes now so most of my queries are addressed and I think the best part which I like is bringing best among the people in these worst situations I think this is really true and we are engaging as a tobacco control expert so tobacco situation was the most difficult thing and now like I am imagining that the people are not getting tobacco and they are used to having good practices and now the best thing is coming out of them so thank you very nicely very nice thoughts I will, unless Sadguru wants to respond to that I can come to the last question with your permission and the last question is a question which is removed from the current circumstances it's more about yoga and something that we as yoga researchers me Pramod and about 7-8 faculty members in PGI very actively working on the yoga and meditation of front using the molecular tools and a question that always rages the mind is and people ask us how is yoga different from physical exercise so a lot of people just take it as an exercise with some home and some breathing in, breathing out aligned to certain poses so I would like to request you on behalf of our 7-8 faculty members of PGI meditation to enlighten us on this So what is yoga well because today most people know the yoga which is rebound from the American coast and a lot of people think Madonna invented yoga so because of that there are all kinds of misunderstandings the word yoga means union union between what and what essentially as you sit here you and me both of us are breathing for sure but we have an individual experience we have to breathe we have to drink water we have to eat food otherwise this cannot survive this is constantly in transaction with everything else to exist but we have an individual experience because of this individual experience most human beings have taken this individual experience rather too seriously and they think they are all by themselves because of that there is so much suffering so much confusion so much nonsense everything happening as I touched this aspect earlier all human experiences coming from within us what is coming from within us if it is not happening the way you want it obviously every faculty that you have is out of control having all faculties out of control and hoping to live well is a stupid idea it's never going to work it doesn't matter how much education we have how much wealth we have how much whatever else arrangements we have technologies we have we will not live well because if what is coming from within us is not coming the way we want how will we manage the entire world to happen our way it's never going to happen so having said that the word yoga means union that means this unity that we have with the existence that right now the whole existence is supporting us to sit here on this little planet which is spinning in the middle of nowhere and here we are sitting talking we are very thrilled that we come up with this technology what is this Zoom or Google what is this Skype we are very excited that we invented this Skype and now you and me you are in Punjab I am in Tamil Nadu we can talk to each other we are very excited about this but in the middle of this endless cosmos literally beginningless and endless cosmos we are sitting in a small mud ball of a planet and something is holding all of us together the planet together the planetary system together galaxies together and making it work and we are part of this existence but that fantastic and phenomenal experience is not there in most human beings yoga means to come to that experience where you are an integrated life with everything else so your individuality is just a magnanimity of the creation that it's given you an individual experience so how does one come to this I will make a very simplistic projection if you find holes in it please ask a question because when you try to make a very complex aspect in a simplistic answer there will be holes in it but if you don't pick any holes I'll be happy it's like this for example there is see you and me know that we have a body only because there is sensation in the body if there is no sensation we wouldn't know but if we just rub our hands like this for ten seconds and hold it like this three four inches away you can do it right now and see it happens it works even for doctors if you hold it three inches away now and close your eyes you will see some kind of sensation is happening between the two is that so so if there is simply vigorous activity or an exuberant energy within you suddenly your sensory body expands what this means is see right now there is water in this vessel this is definitely not you but if you drink it it becomes you all that happened for this water is what was outside the boundaries of sensation came into the boundaries of sensation suddenly you experience this as myself that's how you gathered this body what was outside as food yesterday has become you today what was food yesterday was day before yesterday just earth earth became food food became you and one day you will become the earth once again and that's what we are struggling to prevent right now with all this COVID what is the threat the threat is we may become earth once again yes that's all the thing is so right now if you sit here if your sensory body expands because anything that is within your sensory experience you think is you anything outside your sensory body right now you think is not you if you touch your left hand with your right hand you clearly know this is you but if you touch the chair upon which you're sitting you know it's not you simply because there is no sensation there so if your sensory body expanded let's say right now to cover the room in which you're sitting let's say ten other people are there in your room now you will experience this ten people and everything as a part of yourself because your sensory body has expanded so suppose some you had to amputate somebody it is a known fact that even if the leg is gone still the sensory experience of the leg can be there for some time it's called the phantom leg or whatever I thought you're a neurological person right you're a neuroscience so there is a sensory existence to the body beyond the physical body it is right now hosted in the physical body but sensory body is independent of the physical body you can enlarge it so the entire yogic process is like this if you make your life energies highly exuberant within you very active and exuberant your sensory body will be larger if your sensory body becomes as large as the universe you will experience the whole universe as yourself then we say you're a yogi because yogi does not mean you're doing yoga yogi means you have experienced the union of the existence in your living experience as you experience the ten fingers of your hands you are experiencing everything around you as yourself once once even for a moment if you experience everything around you the world around you as yourself after that you don't need any morality you don't need any values you don't need any ethics because you don't need any values and ethics with yourself you nobody told you this little finger is a helpless finger don't protect it don't cut it off nobody tells you such models because you will protect anything and everything that you experience as yourself there is a natural instinct of taking care of that so this is what yoga means to bring this living experience to you that everything around you is yourself now the idea is on the way there are many benefits health will happen naturally joyfulness will happen peacefulness that is what is the marketing part of yoga you will become peaceful you can become joyful you can become healthy but we shouldn't get lost in it because what will you do with a healthy life I'm asking because there are more people living on this planet who are healthy and miserable rather than unhealthy and miserable at least if they are unhealthy there is good enough reason there is an excuse for misery but most of the miserable people are actually healthy isn't it? unfortunately once you are once you are ill with something you have good reason to be miserable but most healthy people are miserable for nothing right now a whole lot of people are miserable going to work now the government say stay at home we will still make sure you get your salary but they are extremely miserable because they are staying at home so just look at the life the way we are arranging it even the fundamental faculties are not working for us if our thought and our emotion took instructions from us being joyful loving wonderful is a natural outcome this is not a height of achievement this is how you were when you were as a child say people are thinking to be peaceful, joyful and loving is an achievement no this is how you were when you were five years of age it's the square one of your life getting back to square one is not an achievement but unfortunately everybody thinks it's an achievement very, very nicely explained I was I had my goosebumps and then we thank you from our journal Integrated Medicine case reports which is Richard at BGI my faculty colleagues we were really excited and I think we will take back my colleague with colleagues this very important message and wisdom and be able to do better research better healthcare provision for the people who need it and with that we also thank most importantly Sadhguru for spending the time to come with us to interact with us this is really joyful and this is the best thing that happened to my lockdown at least whatever that we've been going in between. Please feel free to demand anything from us whatever we can do to enhance and serve the medical community right now in these very challenging times we are willing to do I will ask them to send these two simple kriyas one for the mind and one for the body among yourself you practice and see and push it around please you must come and visit the ashram after this is over We would like to come and visit and also about the studies I was just thinking about this if if your normal protocols can be broken we can send you blood samples or sputum samples or whatever it takes to come to a quick quick conclusion that people who are doing these practices or whatever if you can come to that I think it will be extremely useful right now for the entire world not just for India Me and Pramod will sit together and have a research question put in paper and we'll send it to you and you will be happy to know that we are taking these experimental details to even cell culture experiment so for example a person who does yoga we take the blood out and grow the cells in that blood of a yogi and just giving you an idea which is probably not anyone am I right Pramod? I don't think anybody has published this idea and see how these cells from the yogis or the blood derived sira or from the yogis can stimulate cell proliferation and stem cell population versus those derived from a regular non-yoga practitioner so these kind of ideas and systems we already have in place and we are working on an array of subjects in yoga and meditation from high altitude to diabetic yoga protocol implementation to common yoga protocol implementation and studying their efficacy also looking at heart rate variability you mentioned the gene expression changes that you did when you mentioned BDNF in Harvard that person who is working on that so we definitely look forward to sustainable and learning interaction with your team and to be able to see you physically when you come to the ashram yes you should come we must come all of you thank you very much thank you