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Donate via Patreon monthly or just once via Bitcoin or PayPal. If you want a t-shirt, go to slashloop.com. Thank you. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, January 14th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me. Allison Sheridan, host of The No Silicast, chitchat across the pond and more at podfeet.com. How's it going, Allison? It's going good. Look, I just got the best comedy of the year, The Martian in the Mail today. Oh, yeah. Well, it's a musical, but I understand the confusion because musical and comedy are in the same category. Is that why? Okay. Okay. It was a musical part. Got it. Right. I was confused. But wow, some of my favorite singing is in some of my favorite songs. I mean, there was some disco in it, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. There is a lot of music in it. Yeah. I feel like the Golden Globes have just abandoned all pretense of like putting things in categories. They're like, oh, I can't win this one. Throw in the other one. Meanwhile, we've got some W3C HTML standards danger to talk about. Could the world be more restricted or less restricted? EFF has some ideas about that. Allison and I are going to talk about that in a little bit, but let's start off with the headlines. Samsung announced today it has begun manufacturing the Snapdragon 820 chip. If you're like, wait a minute, isn't that a Qualcomm chip? You're right. They're doing it for Qualcomm. Qualcomm is fabulous. They usually hire TSMC to do their chips, but this time they're getting their competitor Samsung to do it. Samsung is using the same 14 nanometer LLP process that it uses to make its own Exynos 8 octa processor. Recode has previously reported that the Galaxy S7 might use the Snapdragon 820, so there may be some double dealing there. Samsung's chip making business is separate from its device making business and often makes chips for other platforms. Likewise, Samsung devices don't always use Samsung made chips. Thanks to Motang for posting this on the subreddit. Does that mean that Samsung users will be able to have a discussion about whether TSMC or Samsung when making the exact same chip made the faster one, just like they did with the Apple chip? Not in this case, I don't think, because I don't think TSMC is going to make the 820 at all. Oh, that just sucks from the memory. It's just going to be Samsung, because yeah, otherwise, a good who made the chip and placebo effect. Gate. Yeah. It's always fun for us tech covers. Definitely. Well, Netflix VP of content delivery David Fullerger announced today in a blog post that it would take new steps to stop customers from streaming content found in Netflix regions outside their country. Fullerger broke the news that noted customers sometimes use DNS proxies and unblockers to get around geo blocking Netflix content. Who knew? Fullerger stated that Netflix would employ measures to defeat those techniques in the coming weeks, but also stated that they're working towards offering customers everywhere the same content. Wow, that makes a little more sense. Thanks to flying spatula for posting this on the subreddit. Yeah. So I mean, this is a little bit of bluster and I'm not sure how much of it is meant for consumption of its partners who are trying to maintain their region locks. So if you don't realize Netflix makes deals to acquire content in certain regions. So for instance, I don't know when they acquire the rights to stream continuum, the television series, they'll only get the rights to do it in the United States. Those rights to stream it might go to a television station in some other market or some other streaming service in some other market. And so when they launched in 130 countries now making themselves present in 190 countries, they have a lot more eyes on whether those region restrictions are being respected or not. And of course, you can use proxies and VPNs to get around that. So they didn't mention anything about VPNs. They did talk about proxies. And really the only way they could do this, Allison, that I could think of is to just make a list of IP addresses that are known to be used by proxy services and then try to block them. What a waste of time and energy. Well, and that's the other side of this is the blog post is very quick in a couple of places to go, we really don't like this world. We want a world where you can watch everything no matter what country you're in. And so we're working towards that, but they're not there yet. Well, you said highlighted something to me. I was under the possible misperception that the the problems with negotiating, let's say for New Zealand was that New Zealand had laws that said, well, you've got to play by these rules and Netflix has to negotiate with each country. You're saying that it's the content owners that make the deals that then the content providers like Netflix have to negotiate to get it into the right countries. Yeah, the content owners are the ones who are usually saying, well, sure, we'll sell you the rights. For instance, Netflix Canada is going to get Star Wars the Force Awakens because of a deal with Disney there. But Disney has a preexisting deal. And I think I want to say it's the epics or stars for the rights to show Star Wars the Force Awakens once it's available out of theaters in the United States. So Canadian Netflix users will get Star Wars before US users because of the content owner. In this case, Disney, even though Disney has a big long reaching deal with Netflix, it just doesn't start in time this time around. There are sometimes country restrictions, for instance, Canada will sometimes have broadcast restrictions requiring 30% of the content be of Canadian origin. So there may be some things like that out there that Netflix has had to navigate to. But those are less often the reason for it. Yeah. I think our tendency, our need, your reaction is to blame Netflix. Yeah. I've got a friend in New Zealand who's just mad at Netflix about it. Yeah. Well, I bet they'd love to bring you all the content. I mean, if Netflix paid more, they could get it. Although, even then, it's not true. Like if there's already deals in place, like with Star Wars, then no amount of money changes that the deal's already done. Yeah. US Secretary of Transportation, Anthony Fox, last name with two X's Anthony Fox, Fox, Fox, announced that policy goals for self-driving cars in the US are coming. Fox said that within six months, his agency will work with states, manufacturers and others to develop a model for autonomous car policy that encourages a consistent national policy. So trying to get all the states on the same page, the goal is to ensure fully autonomous vehicles can be deployed in large numbers, quote, when demonstrated to provide an equivalent or higher level of safety than is now available. The policies are part of a proposed $4 billion decade-long program to test connected and autonomous vehicles. I love that as a specific phrase to say when demonstrated to provide an equivalent or higher level of safety, that is, oh, that's just beautiful. That's the right way to put it, right? The devil's in the details of, well, how do you prove that it's safer? What measurements are you using and everything? But that's the right goal. I agree with you there. Sure. You were talking to somebody about driving in the snow and the discussion about, well, these self-driving cars, they need lanes that they can see, and I'm thinking, yes, so do humans. Whenever it's a question of what a car can't do, I'm thinking, I would trust an autonomous car over me driving in snow, you know? Yeah. Well, the problem with autonomous cars is that they can't tell where the lanes are. They if they're going by lane markers and the lane markers are covered by snow, then you have to have a backup way of them doing it and having them find another way to pick the lane like we do. We don't if we can't see the lane markers, we are like, OK, well, I see some ruts in the snow. I'm going to follow those ruts now, although there have been plenty of times I've been driving in the snow going, I hope I'm on the road. I'm pretty sure I'm on the road. I believe I'm saying, I can't see the road. Yeah, totally. All right, Strik 187 wanted us to mention that Microsoft. You're reading mine. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm bad with the alphabet, I guess. All right, here we go. December update for Nest caused the smart thermostat to stop working for some users. A software update in December included a bug that drained the battery life of some thermostats, deactivating them in January. Nest says it's aware of the issue and that it's been fixed for 99.5 percent of users for the other 0.5 percent. Nest has said a manual reset will help and offered a nine step fix on the Nest support page. Yeah, it's not a button. I didn't have this happen to me. Do you use a Nest by chance? Not a Nest thermostat. I have the Nest protect. I we use a Nest thermostat and we didn't have this problem. We do have our Nest thermostat charged by the heater directly. It doesn't. It's not one of the ones models that just charges when the heater is on or the air conditioner. So maybe that makes the difference. It may have been a bug that wasn't properly doing the charge when the thermostat kicked on. Yeah, they do say for some users. It happened with Nick Bilton, by the way. So, yes, you you definitely had a high profile tech reporter covering this. But yeah, I don't know how widespread it was. It obviously was enough people that Nest had to respond to it for sure. Yeah. All right. Now Strike 187 can get his credit for wanting us to mention that Microsoft will start delivering pop ups to small business computers not on Windows 10. That's domain joined systems that use regular Windows update, not enterprise. So none of this applies to the enterprise systems. If you use Windows Update to get your patches, you're now going to get prompted to upgrade to Windows 10, even if you're a business and suddenly Microsoft has decided those persistent pop ups can be annoying. We don't want to annoy our business customers. After all, they often have to pay us for Windows. So they published the way for business users to shut it off. Now, this apparently already existed. If you were willing to dig around for it, Ed Botts talked about it before. But now it's on an official Microsoft support page. Home users can also take advantage of this. If you're tired of being bugged to upgrade to Windows 10 and you don't want to, it involves a setting in computer configuration and a registry edit. So it's not a simple solution in any case. Well, that might be good because the people who know what they're doing, who are purposely not updating, will know how to stop it. But the people who are just not doing it because they're scared or some sort of fud about it, maybe they'll not. What if you don't know what you're doing, but you also just don't want to upgrade? Too bad. You still just have to be bugged. You get really good at clicking OK. Yeah, that's it. It really is annoying. Like just give me a chance, even if it's like snooze it for six months or something, give me a chance to get rid of it. That doesn't involve a registry edit from the people who brought you Clippy. Sony's flagship 5.2 inch Xperia Z5 and 4.6 inch Z5 compact will be sold in the US unlocked starting February 7th. The Z5 will cost $599 and 99 cents and the Z5 compact $499 and 99 cents, not 600 and 500. These are the first Sony phones to be sold in the US since the Z3. I mean, we go into the specs, the specs are nice. It's got a nice camera and all of that. But that was the significant part to me was, oh, we're we're seeing Sony come try in the US market again and at a time when you don't need to have carriers on board, except for a marketing partner. You're going to sell more phones if Verizon puts it in their store. But people are buying unlocked phones more often than they used to. And you might be able to get a few more sold. That said, a lot of people still want to do the pay by month thing, in which case you got to get a carrier on board. So I'm still not entirely optimistic about Sony's chances here until they get somebody pretty devices. Not going with them. Yeah, they definitely are. Whether you refer to him by his birth name of Calvin Broadus Jr. or his Rastafarian named Snoop Lion or his more common named Snoop Dogg. Today you can call him pissed off at Microsoft. Snoop Dogg took to Instagram with a short video expressing his displeasure at Xbox servers going down last night for a couple of hours. His caption summed up his own and many other Xbox owners sentiments. Quote, fix your stuff. He wrote something else or PlayStation. Here we come. Purple frowny devil, purple frowny devil, diamonds, star football. You know what? He's always had such a way with words. You know, honestly, he does. He does have a way with words. I 100 percent agree with that. Snoop Dogg's awesome. And you could see he was legitimately angry. This wasn't him pretending to be angry or puffing it up for something like he was done. He's like, OK, I've been able to play for two hours and he called out Bill Gates. I think he knows Bill Gates really doesn't run Microsoft, but he just wanted to be like Bill Gates, whatever, like somebody fix this. And I think what captured people is you could see the genuine frustration on his face and so many other people feeling that same frustration calling it out any time there's an outage like this. We usually don't cover it. And but in this case, it was just a lovely like, I don't know, to me, it's like, yes, giving a voice to the people who are crying out like, why is this happening? So he's your spokesperson now. Great, I suppose. All right. Wait, wait, he doesn't want. He does. Well, all I will add is that he would not like Microsoft support to drop the ticket like it's hot. He just wants a bit of. No, all right. Moving on, ride hailing company Grab Taxi said Wednesday it's opening the first U.S. office in Seattle. The company says it has no plan. Stafford service in the U.S. but rather wants to add its to its engineering team. Grab Taxi's engineering vice president, Arul Kuma Ravel, spent time in Amazon's mobile division in Seattle as well. I am apparently the head of engineering in Singapore for Grab Taxi worked at Amazon in Seattle, so they've got some Seattle connection. And I think it's interesting to see a company from Singapore coming to Seattle to say, we need some good engineers. You usually you usually hear the opposite. Yeah, maybe we, you know, we spent a lot of time complaining about us, but we actually kind of rock sometimes. You know, yeah, we got some good people. And there's probably a lot of Singaporeans living in Seattle, too, which would be a perfect, you know, cultural fit because the main engineering team is in Singapore. So, you know, it's a good move and an interesting move. Are they much different than Lyft or an Uber? No, it's pretty much the same thing, although they they integrate with taxis. So an Uber does that in some places. For instance, I was surprised in Honolulu to see that I could call a taxi through the Uber app. I didn't realize that Uber had had integrated. But I know lots of companies have started to work with certain taxi companies. And that's one of Grab Taxi's big advantages is like, hey, our fleet is instantaneous because we've got all these taxi companies on board. OK. Joining the trend of big tech companies, open sourcing deep learning tools, Baidu's Silicon Valley AI lab is releasing open source code called WRPCTC for CPUs and Nvidia GPUs. The tool can speed up machine learning frameworks up to 400 times according to rework. WRPCTC will be available on GitHub, hat tip to Hacker News poster, Super FX, who put the link up on Hacker News, which is where I saw it. Dogs faster, faster, faster. Yeah, more more open source machine learning coming from Google, from Facebook, and now from Baidu. It's an interesting time there for devs. Great, great. And finally, Intel reported revenue of $14.9 billion earnings per share of $0.74 a year or $0.74 year over year numbers are fairly even last year with $0.74 also with revenue down there at $14.72 billion. So they even popped the revenue up year over year a little bit. Performance beat analysts' expectations of $0.63 a share and just surpassed expectations of revenue of $14.8 billion. So good numbers from Intel, but apparently not good enough because immediate after hours trading went down. I guess they were expecting them to surpass them even more. Intel is at an interesting point with Brian Krozanich, their CEO, trying to double down in some ways with acquisitions that can help them with the processor development, but also getting into robotics and some autonomous and drones and things like that. So it is a transition period in some sense for Intel. So they must have done a fairly successful job of reducing their dependency on the PC sales then since the PC sales are what, five years in decline now? Yeah, well, yes. Intel's big thing has been, well, desktops and laptops are declining. We need to get into the smaller devices and they've started to be able to do that. So they're getting a few more mobile processors sold tablet processors, Microsoft Surface, et cetera. So that's that's a good thing. Doesn't seem like that would be enough to surpass how much the other the PC and laptop business are going down. Apparently it is. Yeah, that and the other and the other businesses that they're getting in is enough to keep the revenue coming in. What's that? Servers might still be doing well. I don't know. Yeah, and I'm sure servers are at least stable for them. Right. But yeah, it's a patchwork. And I think that illustrates exactly the challenge that Intel faces, which is there isn't one thing that they can rely on. They can't jump out of the desktop and server processor business because that is still where they get most of their money. But it's not the thing that's going to carry them forward. So they've got to keep trying all these different things to move forward. And Krozenich has been very good at focusing them and saying, you're not going to try that, but we are going to try this, this and this. Yeah, well, if they're the patchwork is good. That's diversification. Yeah, exactly. Hey, thanks to the folks who submitted stories on our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. It definitely helps us put this show together each and every day. So get in there and vote. If you do nothing else, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. That's a look at the headlines. All right, so the World Wide Web Consortium W3C, you often hear them called maintains the standards for the web. So when HTML5 is ratified, it's ratified by the W3C. There was a controversy in 2013. We talked about it where the W3C added support for DRM to the HTML5 standard. And that was because the argument went, we have to support the fact that people are doing DRM in the browser or else they're going to continue to do third party plugins. This at least makes it an equal access. And there's a lot of misunderstanding around this. DRM in the browser in HTML5 does not put DRM in HTML5. It's an API that says, if you're going to have encrypted content, then this is how the browser can deal with that. And the DRM scheme all happens on the side of the content provider. But it says, OK, if you're going to have a key and you're going to have encryption, we're going to have an extension that works with that. In fact, it's called the EME, the Encrypted Media Extension. Now the EFF, which battled that, they didn't want any acknowledgment of DRM in the HTML standard at all, is proposing modifications to the charter of the W3C Encrypted Media Extension's working group. That would require participants in the group who make standards to promise not to sue people who report bugs or to make tools that connect to theirs. A similar rule was put in place for software patents requiring standards for participants not to sue over anything that the group produced. And that's been in place since the early 2000s. The proposal passed a December poll and is now being considered by W3C CEO Jeff Jaffe and Director Tim Berners-Lee, the guy who made the web. Berners-Lee was in favor of the API for Encrypted Media Extensions. He said, if content protection of some kind has to be used for videos, it's better for it to be discussed in the open at W3C, better for everyone to use an interoperable standard as much as possible and better to be framed in a browser, which can be open source and available on a general purpose computer rather than a special purpose box. Those are key arguments for the decision, and that's why he supported it. Given that I don't think we're going to get rid of the Encrypted Media Extension. How does this strike you, Alison, as a way to protect the interoperability of the Internet? Well, my understanding was that what the EFF is asking for in this latest ruling supports the W3C's belief that they need to support DRM because it's going to exist, but they need to support in a way that neither says it's good or bad, neither nor says it's good or bad. It's just saying, OK, it exists, and therefore, if it's going to exist, we need to have standards on that. So they want to be able to have these standards in place. I'm still getting confused on exactly what DRM is in terms of the web. Is it I mean, if you've got a paywall to the to the Wall Street Journal, is that is that considered DRM? No, it's it's more often used with video than anything else. And a really good example of it is Netflix. Netflix used to require a flash plugin. That way they could put their DRM scheme into the plugin. Now, Netflix can run natively in the browser. It's one of the reasons you can do Netflix in Linux because the browser standard now allows for an Encrypted Media Extension. They don't have to do a plug in to have the DRM running on the Netflix video. And the whole reason Netflix has DRM running is so that you don't capture it and and then put it up on BitTorrent. OK, OK. One thing that I love that you put it up on the pirate bay using BitTorrent because I don't think BitTorrent will let you put it up on their thing. That's the dark web. Where ever the one thing that bothers me here is that the way the EFF has written up some of this information is they say specifically that DRM is there to keep you from doing what you want with the video. Well, yes, if that. You know, yes, under certain circumstances, that is the effect. But that's not why they do it. They do it because they want you to pay for it. That's why they do it. They don't do it to stop you from having fun. The but it has that effect. And often it is that. So for example, I think that effect. Well, for instance, if you buy an encrypted piece of video from Voodoo, let's say, and you want to play it on a monitor and you very often and iTunes is the same way may get a message saying, oh, that monitor isn't supported. You can't play it on that monitor. Right. Now, you're not trying to steal it. You're not trying to do anything with it, except watch it. Watch the thing you paid for. And that's the kind of thing EFF is talking about is that DRM gets in the way of you doing legitimate things with the legitimate digital properties that you have accessed. A great example and a reason for the second rule, which I think is the more confusing one, like, OK, if I'm going to participate in setting the standards for DRM, I can't sue somebody who makes something that accesses my DRM to products. Why would that be an issue? I was trying to think of a good example of this. And so I don't think you actually said what what we have both read, which is that this is part of the EFF's proposal to the W3C, is that one of the rules would be if you participate in the standards body, then you don't get to sue other people if they follow these standards and use it to do something you don't want them to do. Yeah. So specifically report bugs or make a tool that connects to your tool. And that second one is the one where you're like, well, wait a minute, that sounds like making a ripping software. And that's illegal anyway. That's not what we're talking about. And the best example I could think of, and maybe you guys can think of a better one, send it to us if you do, was Google TV. Remember, Google TV had a Chrome browser on it and you could watch Hulu. But Hulu had made all of their deals with the idea that a lot of the video could only be seen on a desktop or laptop. So when suddenly you were watching it in a browser on a television, Hulu started blocking Google TV's Chrome browser. Now, if I made a Chrome extension that told Chrome to send the identification that it was not on Google TV and therefore got around the Hulu block, I could possibly be sued under the DMCA. There's an argument for it. And what this rule says is if you're part of the standards body, you're not going to sue those people for making an interoperability extension. Oh, that is such a great example, because the answer to that is if you didn't participate, if Hulu didn't participate in helping to make the standard, then they can sue you for making that. Absolutely. It seems like this would motivate. I always look back to you make a rule. What the what behaviors doesn't motivate? It motivates people to not help make the standard. Right. Yeah. Yes, it probably is a dissuasion of like, oh, I'm going to lose my right to sue. Maybe I don't want to do that. And the other effect is if you really are into this and you're like, look, I'm not about closing down the web. I just want to make sure that we can do encrypted media. Then it stops you from using lawsuits as a scare tactic. Right. I mean, going out if, for instance, Hulu had gone after someone who made such a Chrome extension, it might they might not be able to win in court, but it might not matter because the person who made the Chrome extension may just be one developer who's like, yeah, forget it. I don't want to I don't want to deal with it, even if I would win. It's too costly. So it it it works both ways. Right. It's going to keep the more vigilant DRM proponents out and try to make sure that the people who do want DRM that are participating are not threatening the interoperability and security research that needs to go on. Yeah, I think the interoperability thing is just got to be the number one thing we protect. I just I always think of the movie, I think it was Mission to Mars where they they land on Mars, I don't know, the ship blows up or whatever and they get stranded there and they're like, oh, what are we going to do? And they so they start wandering in the desert of Mars and they find a ship that had been crashed there years and years before and they go, oh, look, we can just plug into here for power. Really, the connector worked. Yeah. I mean, the battery was still good. Yeah. But I mean, have you ever found two connectors? Wait, wait, I've got five on my desk that don't plug into each other. You know, so interoperability to me is that just they got to fix that. I mean, when I when I was that was one of the EFF's objections to the 2013 implementation was that this changes the interoperability of the web. Suddenly, you are interoperating with things that can't interoperate back because they're encrypted. And Tim Berners-Lee was on the other side of the argument saying, look, we're we're not doing the encryption. We're just acknowledging the fact that this exists. And we'd rather them do it as part of the open standard than to do it as a plug in. And the argument ran like and maybe this will allow them to experiment with dropping encryption and dropping DRM. Whereas if they were in their own plug in, they probably never would. Right. Right. Right. By the way, Beatmaster just corrected me. It was Red Planet. Oh, yeah. Those are easily confused. Totally don't want to find their comedies, right? Are they musicals? It's like Dante's Peak and Volcano. They're musical comedies. I think they were they were they were both. Definitely funny. All right, let's get to our pick of the day. Linda writes, I know this was mentioned in one of your episodes when Allison Sheridan was a guest, but in my opinion, it deserves more attention. Taming the Terminal podcast is a joint production with Bart. How do you pronounce Bart's last name? Bouchots. Bouchots. Bouchots, who is a cis admin at an Irish university, does a superb job of explaining all kinds of things. The podcast, which may or may not see any more episodes, is a great standalone course on Terminal for Mac OS X, as well as being applicable to many versions of Linux and Windows. The goal is to help people get comfortable with Terminal and learn efficient ways to control the computer. What makes this particular way of learning so cool, says Linda, is that Allison is willing to ask questions that some might consider dumb, which is a huge help to those of us who are listening and asking those same questions or just sitting there feeling dumb because we don't know it already. Wow, that is that is fantastic. Yeah, Bart did I think it's like 35 episodes and then we packaged it all up and made it its own standalone podcast. And it's got a beautiful tutorial on his site every single page. So if you want to learn the terminal, you can start at one and go to 35. It's it was a lot of fun. Thank you very much, Linda. And BartBouchots.ie will have the link in the show notes as well. And if you can't spell it, BartB.ie. Oh, BartB.ie works, too. That's great, because I can't spell it. I made a text-expander snippet for it. Send your picks to us, folks. Feedback to DailyTechNewShow.com. You can find more picks at DailyTechNewShow.com slash picks. In fact, I just at the prompting of someone on Twitter this morning, put a link to my Amazon store that has all of the equipment that I use in my studio here. And that is at DailyTechNewShow.com slash picks. I got a couple of emails regarding the decline of PCs. The first one is Dragon Six, who says I am a buyer for a major retailer for computers. And I wanted to send you my two cents on the decline of the PC. While it's true that PCs are on the decline, as more people use their cell phone as their primary internet device, I am seeing more people switching from tablets to convertible PCs. Tablet sales are down significantly while the tablet laptop hybrids are doing very well. And then Devin said, I own a computer store in Canada. And from my firsthand experience, I've seen the PC market slow down except for one area, gaming PCs. Up until the Canadian dollar took a dive, I was selling two gaming computers for every one mom and pop computer. Yeah, I don't I would agree with that with no facts to support it. Well, it's a couple of anecdotal observations, but it's people, you know, who are selling PCs. And I think it bears out kind of what Patrick and I were getting to. Yaru wrote in was like, wait a minute, we do need to track PCs. Don't don't say we need to stop tracking PCs. And I guess we didn't make our point clear to some people. We weren't saying don't track sales. We were saying the category PC isn't useful anymore. So we need to track desktops and laptops and tablets and convertibles and hybrids and and and and start to look at it differently because that old category of PC just doesn't even really exist anymore. I didn't really get that point until I heard you say that I forget if it was Gartner or IDC that said that, oh, but if we had included tablets that tear off of PCs, it would be a different number. I'm like, well, OK, then what, you know, what is a computer? Well, yeah. And if you look at the overall market of of devices that have chips in them and can access the Internet, you know, that has definitely continued to rise over time. So I I just think it's at this point, PC has become a little bit of an old fashioned term. Yeah. Or at least it's becoming that. Scott said one thing that might help going forward is external GPUs. This will help you with with your computers. It's an enclosure that has a graphics card and plugs into your computer via Thunderbolt or USB-C. You can simply upgrade the graphics card without replacing the entire computer. This means you can have an older laptop or even a MacBook like me and give it new life. I've heard a lot of people being very enthusiastic about these real hardcore gamers don't like the latency that's introduced by by a plug. Even even though it's very small. But if you're not looking for like shaving off every single bit of performance that you can, it can certainly turn an older computer into something that could do things it would never be able to do otherwise. Remember, and I'm glad they give this specific example of the of the Macs, is that the MacBook Pros have, if it's young enough, it has a Thunderbolt port, which is essentially like having a PCIe slot. Yeah, you're going to get the speeds. You're not going to have that latency. So that that's a some people even still argue that there's latency because it has to travel down the cord. But really, people still argue. Hey, man. Yeah, it's weird, huh? It's it's it's like we still argue on the Internet. What is this? Two thousand sixteen. Oh, yeah, it is. And as Scott mentioned yesterday, Andy Beach was listening when we talked about the HEVC codec yesterday and wrote like summoning a genie. You say bitrate or compression three times and I appear. He said I was literally already jotting down notes as I listened. Here's my thoughts regarding the HEVC article on bitrate compression. If you didn't hear it yesterday, it was basically the BBC Research Lab confirming that in subjective tests, they found that people watching this 4k HEVC codec or compression standard were were able to not notice a difference with a 50 percent bitrate reduction. And he says the numbers were good and what we would have expected. It's great to see big companies like the BBC already going down the H.265 path, H.265 and HEVC go hand in hand and it indicates it may see quicker adoption than its predecessor. Hardware decode support will continue to limit wider deployment and use, but expect to see more and more announcements for that in the next 18 months. And just because H.265 is the new hotness, don't expect H.264 to disappear overnight. It'll be around for a good long time and keep your eye on Google's VP9 and AOMedia, whatever they come up with as potential competitors to H.265 will be interesting to watch. Now, he's got a whole lot more detail about what these mean that he sent us in an email and he was nice enough to let us turn it into a blog post. So if you go to dailytechnewshow.com, look for that blog post in the writing section by Andy Beach. If you're interested in learning more about why he's saying the things that he's saying here. OK, cool. H.265. Yes, smart listeners. I know the smartest listeners ever. It's so awesome. And I love that Andy was already right and right into us. And then he did the genius thing of like writing this big, long explanation, which was awesome, but providing me the cliff notes at the end. Yeah, so that I can summarize. Yeah, so it could give you the points on the show without having to read the entire email. And then if you're interested, you can go check, get more information. It's fantastic. Finally, Redneck Tech posted on our blog. Hey, during your discussion of the mom and pop tech shop in France that Patrick was describing, I was reminded of the ACP computer and electronics meet in Santa Ana, California. Not sure if you've heard of this from your lair in LA, but I thought you might be interested. It's only on the last Sunday of every odd month. So January 31st, 2016 is the next one. But it is filled with knowledgeable people that are fun to meet. I love stuff like that. Yeah, if I can make myself drive down the 405. Maybe we could park pool or something. Yeah, I could pick you up and we could we could take a look at the ACP. We could hardly just talk to each other because we don't want to talk to real people in real life. That's exactly why I go to things with people I know. That's not even a joke. Not because I don't like other people and just, I don't know. I'm one of those shy people in public. I think nerds in particular. Yeah, but thank you, Redneck Tech, for posting that on the blog. And thank you, Allison Sheridan, for being on the show. This was fantastic. Yay, always love being on. Podfeet.com is the place to go. P-O-D-F-E-E-T dot com. Any shenanigans you've been getting up to lately? Yep, this time the shenanigans are Steve and I did about 35 interviews at CES. And we didn't go to the big stuff. You know, we didn't go to Samsung and we didn't see Ford or any of those. We went to all the weird little booths that just kind of caught our attention. So you really don't know what you're going to get. But a lot of fun videos, Steve's posting them about five a week right now. Instead of just annundating you, we're just kind of dribbling them out. And a lot of cool stuff in there, some really fun stuff. 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Back tomorrow with Len Peralta illustrating and Peter Wells from Australia, talk to you then. The show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frog pants dot com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Jenny's rapping in the chat room. I saw that. That's awesome. I was like, I know there's a snoop title in there somewhere. Hell's yeah. You didn't call me by any chance. Who me? I know maybe Marriott called him. Well, someone called me on the hangout during the show. Is that like from a phone number, which is weird, but. Ellie. Was it Ellie? Maybe Ellie was calling you. A good show. What should we call this? Let's see. We have leave the nest forcibly forcibly in this case. I hope I'm on the road. Open source, Mr. Sulu. Oh, because this is wait, Mr. Sulu's Japanese. Don't D.R.M. Don't tell snoop gate. Danger W3 standards. Octo processor. Full agar is full of gir. Was he though? I don't know that he really was. OK, I kind of like Snoop Dogg lights up Microsoft. That is both true and Snoop Dogg ish. Yes, we're so many levels. That's good. We rock sometimes. Well, by do OK. Make a tool that connects to your tool. Yes, that's good. And then, of course, one by some deadbeat Jenny J. One, two, three into the force. Snoop through his Xbox to the floor. You made yourself laugh when you wrote that. Didn't you? It's too long. I just put in there. That should go in the description. Yeah. He didn't technically either throw his Xbox to the floor, but he was certainly peeved. He wanted to. That's the empty battery nest syndrome. Mike grow papa. Oh, one, two, three and two. I'm going to throw my Xbox to the floor. Yeah, maybe from the people who bought you Clippy. That was good. I get it. There's got to be a snoop. Come on, people. Get the lyrics out. It's got to be Snoop title. I demand it. One, two, three and two. The fall you made me on. Ain't nothing but a gates thing. Ain't nothing but a G. It's not really gates. It's not gates. We mean gates. It's just not, though. Like it's not really it doesn't have the same ring to say ain't nothing but a such a thing. It's such a not a G thing, baby. God, there we go. White people. It's such a not a G thing. Snoop dog. That fits the beat structure. It's such a not a G thing. Snoop dog. You realize how handicapped I am in this conversation when you made a joke about a lyric? I just wonder if that's like a music thing or something. I was just trying to buy you time. I didn't expect you to pick it up because I knew you were looking for the line. I don't know. It's such a not a G thing, baby. That don't know what are we going with? What are we going with? Oh, no, I want to give it a little more time for Snoop titles. I we got more time. I'm exporting out of time. I don't know. Someone else choose now I have to look. Well, I do like I hope I'm on the road. Might be might be biased voting, though. You got to watch for that. Don't do your own don't tell is pretty funny. Leave the nest. Don't do your own don't tell. I kind of like Snoop Dogg lights up Microsoft of the snoops. I like that one. OK, it's going to be there. Don't do your own don't tell because it fits the main topic and it's good or Snoop Dogg lights up Microsoft. Yeah. I'm giving you two seconds. I like the first one. I like the second one. I like the second one. Which one is the second one? Snoop Dogg lights up Microsoft is the second one. Don't D.R.M. Don't tell us the first. All right. No, you can do the D.R.M. one. It's fine. Why are you backing out of a clear Democratic victory for your for your title? Well, because right now they're tied. Snoop Dogg lights up Microsoft. Should be dashed M dash, I think. Yeah. OK. Thank you, Ellie. There it goes. That's my people. All right. Did you just log in on another browser? I would never play such games. I don't need to see the power of chat realm. That's exactly exactly one. Snoop Dogg's blunt with Microsoft. Where'd that come from? Be better. Just put that in. Last minute submission. Could we please? Is that better? I've already exported. Damn it. I mean, I'm in the process, but there's always the chance to change. Which one is it? Snoop Dogg's blunt with Microsoft. I mean, I love it. It just showed up more street than Snoop Dogg lights up Microsoft. Yeah, I know. It just depends on your particular comfort level with. Snoop Dogg gets blunt with Microsoft. I mean, it just makes me happy. And that's like probably the most important part of any title. It doesn't make you happy. Snoop Dogg lights up Microsoft. I have to keep in mind that my wife works with him from time to time. Hey, I'll tell you what, he would not mind this title. I don't think he would. Either one of them. I think he would appreciate the complex word play. Although I do. There is always something to say for the guy who's first to the title like 40 thieves was. I think I'm going to call it from my end. Got to go to a haircut. OK, fun. Thank you for being on the show. I know it's been a busy day for you, so I really appreciate it, Allison. Yeah, thanks. I've been I'm editing a three-camera shoot video screencast for Don McAllister. Oh, wow. I've never done that before where we did video from a camcorder, video from our an iPhone and then screencast video. And I'm mixing and matching, going in and out, trying to demonstrate using a Mac, an iPad Air, an iPad Pro, an iPhone, an Apple Pencil. All it like. Wow. Yeah, that's challenging. Yeah, there's like 150 cuts and it's 28 minutes long. Damn, you're going to have some shops after that. Yeah, it's it's nuts. It's really challenging, but I figured I could squeeze this in. It's too fun not to. So well, thank you. I appreciate it. All right. Talk to you soon. All right. Cheers. Bye, Roger. Bye, Ollie. Strike It Rich wonders if I'm interested in Colony, that new show in USA Network. And I was interested in it. And then it got panned by a couple of people I read, but I might still go back and watch. Why is Sawyer always in bad shows? Oh, you mean Josh Holloway? Yeah, because my dog's named Sawyer. I know. After that character. I know. But he has not been there. And so I was I was trying to take offense on behalf of my dog. I don't know. I have a delayed a delayed reading of the next door dot com headlines. Are we ready? Mine didn't come to the middle of the show. Menudo and Mexican Grill delivers one way to deter bike thefts. Remote controlled shockers. Oh, boy. It's followed by my bike was stolen. Of course. Makes sense. What other good ones we have? Looking for a new roommate as my roommate, Josh, is moving to Las Vegas exclamation point. That's the title. Yeah. OK. It's good SEO. Yeah. I mean, I guess, I guess. That's probably the best of it. I'm a big fan of looking for a new roommate as my roommate Josh's movie to Las Vegas. It's kind of a lot of personal information right there on the headline. I don't I don't imagine Josh is pleased. That's why it's moving, to be honest. Pullout couch, large desk unit and small desk for sale. Brought to you by not anyone. We don't get anything for that. But I'm saying we don't take ads on Daily Tech News show. But if you want to sponsor our mocking of your service in our post show, let's talk. Yeah. We're not really mocking the service. I'm mocking it, not the service itself, because I find the service to be quite useful. But maybe the people. I'm mocking the people in my neighborhood. Who mocks the people in your neighborhood? It is Jenny, she does. All right. So that's that. That was next door. Menus. That makes me hungry. And it makes me want to listen to 80s pop. That's quite for me. I've been there already. I've been down that road. You've been down the Manuto Road. Very briefly, I took a left turn down Manuto Road. You passed the duchy on the left hand side. I made a Ricky Martin and got right out of there. Snoop Dogg's blunt with Microsoft has been chosen, ladies and gentlemen. Sorry, 40 thieves. I apologize. It's a doggie dog world. Oh, sorry. I can't resist. Oh, yeah. Hobbit from PA got my mind on my Xbox and my Xbox on my mind. Y'all. Y'all. Oh, 40 thieves very kindly reminds us that we should perhaps plug the thing we did yesterday. Oh, yeah. We're in soft launch. So this is the perfect time. So yeah, go to letstalkaboutstarwars.com. You'll see an AMove TV page, which is our temporary blog for a show called Let's Talk About Star Wars, a monthly chat of myself, Garrett Weinserle and Jenny Josephson, sharing theories, rumors, and speculation about the world of Star Wars. How do you say Weinserle? Did I just do it? Yeah, like you just said it, Garrett Weinserle. It's my new co-host. I should probably pronounce his name right. And you're Thomas Merritt. Tomas. Tomas Merritt. So sorry. Yeah, OK. It's all right. It's fine. I get that a lot. Let's talk about starwars.com. It's great. It's like the Poe show, but with more Star Wars. Yeah, it's basically the Poe show. Like when we talk about Star Wars and the Poe show, that's a good preview. Yeah. It's laid back. It's not yelly or angry. There's no rundown. Yeah. This is a chat podcast. Yep. We're not here to do the news. There's no dissenting opinion. I didn't say this to you two, but my definite approach is this is not about us being right. We're not trying to provide news other than, like, oh, I read this article, and this is what it said. Yeah. Right? You can't do a show with that interval. No, no. This is not about being comprehensive about Star Wars rumors. This is about us theorizing. Yeah. And that's an important point to make, because there are many good Star Wars podcasts out there that do exactly that. Yeah, Star Wars reports. We had Riley on Court Killers on Monday. He's great. He's great, and that's a great show. Go subscribe to him. Yeah, but we're just talking. Yeah, this is if you like to hear people speculate. You want to hear theories from people who love Star Wars. And Jenny and Garrett are two people in my circle of friends who talk about Star Wars at a very high index level. Yeah, so he put us in a podcast together to shut us up and wear us out like a baby. No, no, definitely not, because I'm also that same guy. I am also going to make the puns from Star Wars. Yeah, I'm excited. You will be. Excited. TVZ Gun says it was lovely. Thank you TVZ Gun. And 40 thieves listened while making dinner, grinning all the way through. That's that's that's like the poll quote right there. I put it in my very broadly distributed Star Wars secret group that we founded when it was still not cool to talk about Star Wars on main Facebook. Yeah, Beatmaster actually asked what the current rule on TFA spoilers is. And as far as Star Wars, let's talk about Star Wars.com goes. We are going to spoil everything. Everything. Yeah. So if you don't want to be spoiled about Star Wars things, don't listen. Yeah. If you consider theories a spoiler, because we might be right. Don't listen. Totally. But we won't. We might be right on like one thing. I doubt. Yeah. I mean, we actually on this last episode, it was all about one particular character. And we put forth so many different theories that I have feeling one of them has to be right. I probably should go back through and make a list of the theories we pro pro pro claimed without there. I'll just keep saying words until they're right. Yeah. Proposed. There it is. You propose theories. Positive. There we go. Now now the thesaurus is kicked in. Oh, rebel base. I listen to the rebel drum and bass. I listen to I want to know what who has fly casual. You know, fly casual. You know, fly casual. Oh, it's a 96 page source book for smugglers in the Star Wars edge of Empire role playing game. That seems like kind of a waste of a title. Oh, the domain is taken by that. I couldn't believe let's talk about Star Wars dot com was available. I know. Seems like somebody's terrible mistake. I couldn't believe daily tech news show dot com was available to be honest when it when it was. And that's our entire destiny was. Destined. Yeah, you almost had it. Yeah. It is your destiny. It is your density. My density has put me to you. All right, I'm out of the post. So thanks everybody for watching and we'll talk to you tomorrow.