 When it comes to muscle building supplements, almost all of them fall short, maybe creatine, right? That's been shown to build muscle. But here's an unlikely supplement that's been shown in several studies to improve strength and muscle mass. Probiotics, I'm not making this up, it's actually made an analysis showing that probiotics increased strength and reduced sarcopenia in older adults. There's another study showing that young men who supplemented with probiotics had better grip strength gains. So it looks like probiotics are not just for gut health, they also help with your athletic performance and muscle. Grip strength? Grip strength. Well that's a proxies for total body strength. So it's an easy way to test strength as they'll take and use grip, but they compared them to a placebo and they had a significant improvement above and beyond placebo from a probiotic. Interesting. Right. Right. And they think, you know, the speculation. It was a theory. Yeah, so the speculation has to do with the, there seems to be a two way communication street between the body and the gut, which includes the brain, but also includes muscle. So when you exercise, when your muscles are fit, when you're building muscle, then sends a signal to the gut, it sends a signal to the brain, but then also the gut does the same thing. And if the gut is healthy, it seems to prime the body for better adaptations to stress, which includes strength training. Now the cool thing was that like the study on young men, they weren't unhealthy. They were just regular guys that, you know, worked out or they had them, you know, strength trained. One group placebo, one group took just a traditional probiotic lactobacillus and they saw better strain canes, which is kind of interesting, you know, probiotics, who, you know, who would have thought new study? I can look it up, but relatively new. I hadn't come across it before. Yeah. I thought it would have had to do more with nutrient absorption, reduced inflammation. I'm sure that plays a role as well. So more like stress adaptation and because it's not, I guess, internally fighting all these other factors, like you've sort of absolved some of that. It allocated more resources towards adapting better elsewhere. It totally could be. I mean, it makes logical sense. What would be most interesting for me is to see, and I know that these are probably random young men who work out type of study, like be interesting to know what their issues were or if they even knew they had issues, right? Like did they just take randomly 100 young men that work out or did they go, let's help 100 men that complain of digestive issues or like notice? No, that was what I thought too. I thought, okay, maybe it was, no, they took. It's random. Yeah. They took 30 healthy males, age 20 to 40, and they were assigned to either the control group or to a, what they call TWK 10, which is the group that they gave the probiotic to. And the, again, the grip strength in the group that took the, what they call heat killed probiotic, so it wasn't even live probiotic, showed it was lacto plantobacillus plantarum, it's a common bacterial find in probiotics, it helps improve their strength gains. And the other study was done on older adults, and this, this is a systemic review, a meta analysis. So this one took lots of study, lots of studies, and they found that it was correlated or connected to better muscle strength gains and overall muscle mass, which is kind of wild. It's especially interesting if they're all healthy and they don't have any reported types of like problems with their gut and, you know, any, because I, I would assume that that would be obvious. And plus, I would assume the majority of people have unreported issues that they don't, they don't like, haven't tested for or are just ignorant about. Well, I think that's, to me, that's one of the most glaring things about this study is that you have, they were, you know, quote unquote healthy males. But the truth is they all probably had some sort of underlining gut issue that's going on. Like, I mean, how often do you, you know, find that out for a family or a friend that's like trying to get to the bottom of why they're not seeing results and they're telling you, I do this and I do that and I do this. And it's like, oh, have you, I think it might be more like, um, you know, like they'll do a study, there was a study that showed that like one isometric contraction a week boosted strength by 20%. So it was like, oh, that's all you got to do. It's like, no, it's because people are so unhealthy and inactive that just one contraction. Yeah, it makes a big difference. Yeah. Like, like we were supposed to be, I don't know, supposed to be, but for most of human history, we were, we were, you know, in contact with a lot more of these beneficial bacteria, both from our mothers. That's where you get a lot of them, right? Through traditional vaginal birth, not non-exposure to tons of antibiotics, which now, I mean, you know, cattle are fed antibiotics and antibiotics are sprayed on our plants, glyphosates in particular, which act kind of like antibiotics in our environments are hyper clean, right? That's why they find, why they think they find that kids that grow up with animals or on farms are far less likely to develop autoimmune issues. So I think it's more a case of we growing up in the modern world, you probably need to supplement with beneficial back. Isn't there, there's a study about that with pets, right? Yes. Because of, yeah, the type of bacteria you get exposed to. Yeah, if kids are raised, children raised with pets are less likely, significantly less likely to develop autoimmune issues than kids that are not raised with pets and kids on farms are the least likely. The Amish, there's like very, very low rates of autoimmune issues. Wish you would have helped me. Yeah. Well, I wonder how much, you know what's funny? I might have been way worse. Oh God. You know, because you grew up a lot of animals, right? Yeah, yeah. And on a farm, you know what I'm saying? We grew up working on a farm, well, at least in my, you know, early teen years. Were you given a lot of antibiotics as a kid? You know, that's a question for my mom. That's a good question. Uh, because our generation, you know, you know, to find a lot, right? I do, I do know, I do remember getting sick when I was younger and I do remember taking antibiotics. Uh, how often I don't, you know, our generation, it's different now. Now, if your kid, now doctors are like, well, let's, let's see. And often ear infections are not a back, you know, bacterial infection or sinus infection is not necessarily a vector. When we were kids, they threw that at everything. If you went in with any infection, they didn't care. It was just antibiotics. So I was on antibiotics a lot. Yeah. My kids, my three year old, I think we've only, he's ever only taken antibiotics once. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. When I was my kids, when I was a kid, by the time I was three, I think I'd been on him so many times. I would assume I was, I don't know though, because I don't, I don't recall. Did they, in the study, did they talk about, um, which brand of probiotic or kind? No, they're using just traditional, the ones that we know that are beneficial, the Bafida, Bafido strains, Lactobacillus, uh, type straight Lacta strains, those are the ones you'll find. Um, cause those ones that study show that are beneficial across the board. But there's definitely, there's a varying degrees of quality, right? Like dead, even dead, good bacteria seem to have a positive effect. So you could take a probiotic and most of them will do this. They'll deliver dead bacteria to your gut because your gut will destroy it or it's already dead when it's in the capsule. And then the refrigerator ones, which I used to think that's the one, that's where you should get the refrigerator. I was like, by the time you put them in your mouth, your body's not refrigerated, the bacteria dies, gets destroyed by the acid or whatever. You still get some benefit. Now, if you get a good, like seed does this, right? This is why we work with seed. They actually have developed this model, uh, that shows the capsule traveling through the digestive tract and coming to, you know, it gets to the part where you want the probiotics to be delivered and they're still alive and intact because of the way the capsule is decoding that they use. Yeah. It's the way the capsules are designed and the way that they, they put the bacteria in there. And so you'll get, I mean, that's why the difference between seed and other probiotics is like, yeah, light years, substantial light years. Isn't that patented? Didn't they patent that too? That whole process. Yeah. Yeah. It's like unique. So not just anybody can do that. But I mean, you know, muscle gains. There's other studies that show, I mean, I talked about this on the show, probiotics on depression and anxiety. That's wild. Where they see a pretty, I mean, a measurable impact on people with depression just by supplementing with a probiotic. Well, they've associated that a lot with like your gut bacteria, how it influences your mood and, and a lot of factors like that. Yeah, totally. And then, uh, like birth control, uh, affects your, your gut microbiota, your, your, you know, the microbiota on your skin, you know, um, a lot of things do. So it's interesting to see that. And then, of course, like I said, when, what they're finding now is, uh, each generation is, we're getting less and less, um, I don't know what you would call it, like a variety or, uh, the type of bacteria that we have in our gut, we're finding a starting to decrease over generation, over generation, because it's less than this generation, then they, then they have children. And then as the child gets born, they adopt a lot of them from their mother. So they're starting from a lower standpoint and then they have kids. And so this is why you may be seeing the spike in like food allergies and autoimmune issues. It just started compounding, uh, over time. It's funny. It's just like studies like this. It just always points back to like when your body's like overall healthier, you just perform better. Of course. It's like as simple as that. But we need like these studies for, uh, people to get on board with like trying to improve other systems of their body. Otherwise they just like, I'm just going to keep taking, you know, whatever anabolic thing enhancer I can, uh, to get stronger, right? You know, meanwhile, their guts like just violently like speaking to them and being neglected. Today's giveaway is maps power lift to enter to win. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it, subscribe to the channel and turn off notifications. Oh, sorry, turn on notifications. If you do all of those things, uh, we will let you know in the comment section, if you won access to maps power lift also this month's program sale maps anywhere half off and maps hit also half off. If you're interested, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. Speaking of gut, you know how common, uh, parasites are, I looked this up, uh, over the weekend. I don't realize how common they were. Even if you're looking up parasites, what are you doing? Oh, I look like a parasite. Yeah, they're, they're not as uncommon as you think in, in models. If you eat sushi on a regular basis, you said this, so probably have parasites. Chicken nuggets aren't that bad of an option now. No, but it came up on my, all the stuff we've done with Cabral though by now. No, and I'm listening to like a poop test. So we need to do that one. That's why I've been wanting to do that one. That's the one I'm going to be so bad when he's like a bunch of stuff comes out and he's like, oh, Adam wants to drop some heat. Yeah, I've never, I've never done one of those because like you get a poop in something and then mail it. Yeah. Yeah, right. I've done that once. Yeah, you did. Yeah. So what do you do? Like, like you poop in like, we're not talking about when you put in a paper bag and you light it on fire in front of his house. Just this is totally different. I don't know what you call it. Is there a name for that? I don't know. That's a classic dude. Yeah. Has anybody ever done that in here? Has anybody ever done that? I did the P1 dog shit. Yeah, that time. Really? We lit on fire? And then, so people don't know this. The reason why you light on fire is that people personally on the floor and they stomp it out. Yeah, yeah, poop all over. It's terrible. I mean, it's terrible. Yeah. So, so how does it work? You poo in a tray and then you put it in a bag or something? This is, I mean, and then you freeze it, right? And then you mail it or do you just send it in? Well, yeah, you just, I mean, you sort of, yeah, you collect it. You didn't have your wife catch it? No, I don't. I don't. It's all self, self Katrina. Hey, Dr. You could brawl, so we have to do this. Yeah, can you give me a hand? Yeah, I'm going to need you to do this. It just sits right under you like. Oh, come on. Hey, you guys took it here. Yeah. Oh, I'm going to finish it. But then you got to like, freeze it, right? Yeah, that's the weird part. The gross part is you got to have it in your fridge, right? That's the part that's disgusting. Yeah, your freezer. If someone opens your freezer, what's this? Put some chocolate. Where do you put it? Do you put it next to the meat? Do you put it next to like, it's its own section, dude. Oh, that's disgusting. It's its own section. That's gross. What happened? It was awkward. What happened to your hand, dude? Yeah, what's up with the finger over here? Is that done from your nurse wife, too, or is that you? Oh, yeah. This is the nurse's wife. Oh, wow. Actually, you were fine when I saw you yesterday. It must have happened afterwards. It did, yeah, yeah. Because so we had dinner and like, I'm not used to eating at three o'clock in the afternoon for dinner. So I was hungry. What happens when you have a little kid over here? You're going to bed at seven. I'm like, is dinner time? I'm like, okay, cool. We're playing. We had a good time at your place. Uh, but I got home. I was like, still hungry. And so I was just like, yeah, I don't want to eat like a full meal or anything. So you make your finger? What'd you do? Yes, I was hungry and yeah, I'll get to that actually. Uh, so I was like, decided to like make a little spread of cheese and, and, uh, deli meats and naturally, and it's so stereotypical. And so I had like this chunk of mimolette, um, still there. And it's a hard cheese. It's like, has this rind on it that's like a cannonball. Like you have to like really, um, dig at it to be able to get like, you know, some of the cheese out. And so anyway, I'm like slicing it and getting to the point where like it was pretty low, so I had to like really get in like a certain angle where it was like kind of down and I knew this was just, it was just stupid. It was stupid. I should have just left it, like I had enough, like everything was fine. But I was using this knife and we have a really sharp knife set that like we bought a while ago. And this one was like, it could get through this hard cheese. Like no problem. And so I actually hit a spot and it jumped up across hit, hit my middle finger and sliced it all the way from, uh, the, from the fingernail all the way to where it like it was almost flopped. And it was like, you got stitches? No. So I was like, I was going to do that this morning and go to urgent care, but I was like, you know, I'm going to write it out and see. I lost a lot of blood last night. Wow. Over this. And so that's not even the worst part. So that was what I saw. I was like, oh man, that's a lot of blood. And then Courtney's like, oh, like runs and grabs stuff and is trying to like, you know, stop the bleeding. And, um, and I just, and then I looked at my hand and I had all this blood on my hand. I'm like, oh, that's wiped that off. And, uh, I look at my ring finger and I looked at the tip and I literally cut off like a huge chunk of my, the tip of my finger. Oh, and so it like went like across and chopped off like a chunk and then sliced into this side. And this one, like, once I noticed that I was like, ooh, like it hurt. Like it was like very sensitive, uh, cause like the tips, you know, even when you feel things, that's like where you got like the nerves. So is it enough to where it's not going to grow back? Are you going to have a weird looking thing? I think it's going to be a little weird. Oh, weird. So I was already got stubby fingers. Well, no, I'm going to be like nubby now. So the, the funny part, which is like, I was trying to be like calm. Everybody was freaking out. My kids like, oh my God, are you okay? I'm fine. Everything's gonna be fine. Like just bleeding everywhere. And, uh, like, so I kind of was making jokes that kind of lighten it up. And Everett goes over to, I'm like, why don't you just go eat? Cause he was trying to get in on the cheese with me and like a lesson, so he goes over and he's like eating from the thing. And then later, like Courtney, Courtney's cleaning up. She found the little chunk on the cutting board. And I was like, good thing you didn't eat that. But I was like, I wonder where it went. You know, I have no idea. There it was. Wow. Justin's finger. Dude, no, I'm pissed about it. It's like, I was really getting into guitar. And I was like, I was kidding. Like, and I wasn't telling you guys, but I was like, like every day, like I was like drilling and I was doing things to improve and try and get back, you know, to what I could play. Cause I was like obsessed over it for a while. And like, I, you know, just decade in between started to suck. And I'm like, ah, maybe it's going to grow back so tough now that you play, you know what I mean? This is the beginning of your new career. Maybe, maybe, but I was just like, oh great. Like all my progress is like, we were just talking off air. How serendipitous everything in this business has been. Maybe that kept you from being great. Yep. You guys, I was close to the world tour and never broke up this band. It'd be Justin trying to go solo, want to start his own thing and tour. We didn't tell you, but when you left, Adam and I were discussing this. We're like, he's getting too good at the guitar. We did a little voodoo doll. Catch your little fingertip. So what's behind this? That's a plan to go back to the hospital later on. Or are you just going to like let it ride? I think, I think I might. I mean, what's the wife saying? She was like, I think you need to go get stitches. And I was like, well, we'll see. You know, and so she's probably going to hammer me about it when I get home and you don't get flesh eating bacteria again. Yeah. No, you know, by now, this shit would be, I do know, I know. Yeah, it's not affected. Yeah, yeah, it's just, it's just like a big flop. Just walk it off. Yeah, yeah, just rub it out, put some grass, some glue and and some duct tape. Exactly. Dude, like super glue is like your perfect remedy to that. That was my dad with every dog we ever had. It didn't matter what the dog had. He'll eat some grass. It'll be okay. His leg's broken. He'll eat some grass. He'll eat some grass. That's all. He's just fine. Yeah, that was so cute. It was great having you guys over yesterday. I had, I had a house full house, huh? Dude, so many little kids. I see you guys didn't invite Doug and I. There were not, I didn't invite you. Jealous, jealous because we hung out to you. No, I invited Doug and then I thought you were in Reno. Like a bunch of high school girls over here, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like, hey, shh, tell Doug and Adam. That's stupid. That's what I was supposed to come over. No, I was supposed to come over. You were supposed to come over. Oh, so just me. I'm sorry, Adam, I was the only one cut out. No, it's every Sunday, open door. Everybody come over. Right. We had a good, we had. I'll put the address on my Instagram for a few years. No, no, no, not anybody. Yeah, not anybody. That'd be like, that'd be like a dirty prank to do. You were like friends that have a big following, right? To fuck with you like that. Like the time you put my phone number in the bathroom at one time? Yeah. Adam? It's a really good time. You literally put my phone number in the bathroom, dude. That was fucked up. Salstabone. That was, that was messed up. Hey, speaking of fingers, dude, did you watch? He's a great, whoa, I can't wait for this transition. Oh, listen, have you heard of the whole Kate Middleton conspiracy? You know who that is? No. The princess or whatever. She's in the royal family. Okay. And then people hadn't seen her. Like she had, for some reason, disappeared out of, you know, out of the public. Yeah. People were speculating. So she, apparently, I'm just going to hijack just one part. Yeah. So this picture in Vanity Fair was like her with like these kids. Yeah. Oh, I did see the fire. Those are her kids, by the way. And everybody's been photoshopping things in it and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, the photo itself. The photo itself. Yeah, they doctored. Yeah, they doctored it. Yes. Because you could see this hand doesn't match that or what's going on. That's not a real photo. Yeah, yeah. So everybody's speculating what happened to her. Where is she? What's going on? So then she comes out and she does this video where she, you know, unfortunately she has cancer and they'd like some privacy or whatever. Well, anyway, Internet Sleuths took AI detecting technology. Because you apparently have, there's apparently these companies or these apps where you could play a video and it'll tell you the probability that the video is real or if it's AI. Oh. And people were doing this to the video of her coming out and saying she had cancer. And they were coming out with like 93%. Oh, it's AI. And then people were zooming in on the video of her talking. And there's one part in particular. Did you see it? No. No, you described it. Maybe does confine it. While she's talking, she has a ring on her finger. Halfway through her talking, the ring disappears. And then the ring pops back on. Yeah, dude. Sorry, but it's like, what is really going on? So the conspiracy theory is that she's a sacrifice. One of the royal family, apparently they are part of some, they worship, I don't know. What? Yeah. And that Princess Diana was the first one. And then they're doing another one with her or whatever. And they don't want anybody to know. I don't know about all that. All I do know is, why is her finger, the ring disappearing? All I know is, wasn't she, well, it wasn't her because it was the other son that moved to Canada or whatever. I don't know. They were like the ostracized ones, right? So she was, was she like in opposition with the crown and their agendas? I mean, that's what the conspiracy theorists are all saying. But what's weird to me is, because when I hear all this, I'm like, whatever, dude. OK, fine. AI tech, detecting technology, who knows. But no, watch the video. You see her hand while she's talking and the ring literally disappears. And then pops back on. That's the weird part, because two, like, look, Lewis, I don't know if you could you could push play on that, Doug, see if that. Yeah, let me see if that works. Nice ring. See, watch this. You start. Oh, it's gone. Well, I mean, it's behind her knee. No, no, no. No, that's the ring finger, bro. Well, it's not there. It's gone. And then boom, pops back on. Now it's here again. Yeah, dude. So like they're noticing little details like that, which is weird. Well, it reminds me of, you still haven't seen that series yet, right? With the octopus murders. Just started it. And, you know, the way, you know, typical, we got a little kid. So we're going to watch 20 minute chunks, but we watched the first 25 minutes. That's nice. It's getting good. Well, the one part I want you to watch is like, like Adam can kind of jump in. That's crazy. Because I want to see the original film again, because I know that I well, that what they said in the video was that that was the original film, which you look at this tree and it's like suspended. So it obviously been doctored. Yeah, because the tree like has no. It should be in the ground. It's like not in the ground. It's like floating. And so you're like, huh, that causes question. And then, and then they showed what they claim to be the real video. And you're just like, you said it was a driver turned around and hit him and shot him. Yeah. When Ron Paul got interviewed, he said he was asked, you know, when do you think it all went bad? And he goes, JFK got assassin. He goes, that's it. After that, everything went south. Well, I mean, if you watch that show, I mean, it was happening before before that. It's just gotten worse. Well, if you read about people should look this up. If you really want to get into this, there's a book called The Creature at Jekyll Island. Yeah. Read about how the Federal Reserve was created. True story. It's all real. That's what got me down the rabbit hole was that book. Yeah, dude. And how like they didn't want to allow Federal Reserve, an official one. And then the people who were supposed to vote on it or vote against it, how they died and how they were organized. Speaking of the Fed, did you see, I think I sent you the video of the cryptocurrency that's getting all bought up right now. Did you see that? Yeah, so what, so explain it. So BlackRock apparently is buying a lot of Bitcoin. Yeah. Which is one of the reasons why the price of it's going through the roof. Yeah. What's the what's the point? I mean, what do you mean? What's that? I mean, they see, I think they see the writing on. I mean, I said that clip to you and I think they see the writing on the wall that or, I mean, who knows what they're telling us and what they really believe is they just they see the cycles of it. And no, it's going to make a run again. And it's a place I don't remember what percentage I saw an interview where they talked about what percentage of their investments were moving into that. But it was a pretty substantial piece. I mean, in comparison to in the past, what they had done. So huge jump. Yeah. So they, whether they're directly responsible for the huge spike or, you know, by proxy, because they did it and everybody else is now following, right? So you guys have a. So I have a story. I think a lot of people have similar stories like this. I have a, I was almost a billionaire story with Bitcoin, you know? Because no, Adam would be if you remember your password, right? Bro, I so I when I used to have my studio. So this had this has got to be at least I missed 10 years ago, 12 years ago. Maybe I miss Google and Netflix bad like that. So I had to check this out. I had a client who was a hardcore libertarian. And this is when I was really learning about, you know, you know, politics and government and all that stuff. And his name is Martin. I'll give him a shout out right now. And I remember Martin coming to me and talking to me about blockchain technology and you got to get this thing called Bitcoin. And he bought a specific computer to mine Bitcoin. And I remember being like, dude, just buy, just buy like $1,000 worth. Like, who cares? You never know, whatever. And back then it wasn't easy to get it on. There wasn't a Coinbase or whatever. And it was, you guys know me, if it's too much of a pain in the ass, I'm not going to do it, right? So I'm like, ah, I don't know. But I was just close to buying like a couple thousand dollars worth, which today would be worth a couple hundred million dollars. Yeah, at least how they bought it. I was so close. I missed Netflix and I missed Google. I had a, I trained a girl who was like the, and this was like when nobody knew what Netflix was. They were still doing the mail in mail in the DVDs and stuff like that. And she, I remember her telling me like, oh, this is going to be where they're going and where it's heading. And I remember like her telling me about it. I'm like, oh, this is brilliant. And this was just at a time where I wasn't buying any stock. I didn't have a lot of extra money laying around. I thought, ah, I should go. She's like, you know, you should take just a couple grand, same thing and just go buy, you know, a few shares. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, say, yeah, yeah. So I missed that one. And obviously that would have been worth a bajillion dollars now. And then Google, same thing. I remember when they, I had a training, another client. She was an executive for Knight Ritter, which is the San Jose, Mercury News place. And she just, you know, she said, hey, you know, Google is going to go and they're going to, they're going to change the game and everything. And I think it was like, they opened, I think they opened at 30 or $60 or somewhere in that range. You know, and she's like, you should buy a few thousand dollars worth of what I thought. And again, there's the behemoth, I know, I know. My dad's favorite. Then you find me spinning, you know, dropping $10,000 in COOV. Cause I think. Yeah, your buddy, dude, I did two things. That's branded, branded, you know what I'm saying? I think you guys, I don't know what it was. You got me all hiked on it. Oh, he got me all hiked on it. Sometimes your closing ability is too good. Oh, man, I ignored you guys on that one. Yeah. Did you leave us on that one? Yeah, I ignored you guys. Doug got, Doug got hooked too. I think I got all of you guys. Smells fishy. I got the worst though. I think I put the most and so, of course. Like my dad's got a story like that. He used to own, remember, my dad, you know, no, he's no education, poor immigrants, saved his money, worked hard. And he's like, one of his dreams was to buy, he owned his house, my mom and dad owned their house. And he's like, you know, buying property, I heard that's a good thing to do. And he bought a fourplex in San Jose. Oh my God. Okay. Yes. He had a fourplex in San Jose. Would that be worth it? And well, there was a, there was a recession. And now my dad being, I mean, like I said, you know, blue collar worker, four kids supporting them. My mom didn't work at the time. Later she was a teacher. He would be the guy who would do the repairs. He would show up, he'd fix the sink. He'd fix the door. He'd fix it. So he would come home from work, which he already worked hard. He was just like, this is too much work for him. And then you go and he would fix things for them. And then there was a recession. So they were like, my dad was like, it was costing them a couple hundred bucks a month to keep this fourplex. And so my dad was like, ah, you know, I want to, I want to, I think I want to get rid of it. Now here's his story. If he, when he tells a story, he says, he lost a lot of money. Cause right now the fourplex would be worth, I don't know, $6 million or something like that, or you know, whatever. He'd be easily bringing in a hundred thousand, you know, a couple hundred grand a month and excuse me, a year and just rent. But here he says he's happy. He sold it because we were supposed to travel to Italy, just me and my dad. And I was only maybe nine at the time. And he was trying to sell it and there was a recession. Nobody was buying. Then a buyer came forward and said, I'll buy it. And my dad was able to kind of break even. So he canceled his trip to sell and break even. And he says it was a, it was a blessing because we were supposed to go, everybody was preparing for us to be there and they had this big meal. And there was some, there was this like, I don't know what it was. It was like this vegetable that they had collected up in the hills that they had prepared for us. We didn't go. We didn't have the big celebratory dinner. Anyway, everybody ate that dinner. Many of them ended up in the hospital because there was some pesticide or some chemical that was sprayed on the vegetable had a nine-year-old kid like me eating that. I might have died. So my dad says, save your life. So that's the story. My stepdad has two stories where he lost, he lost out. He used the first one was, so he was a carpenter contractor, right? He had his own business and he built an Oakdale where we used to live at that time, a bank called Bank of Stockton. I think it's the name of the bank. You look it up to see how many, how many branches they have now. But it was like one of the first ones, right? One of the first ones. And when he was done with the job, they still owed him a couple thousand dollars and they offered him a bunch of shares in the company instead. Oh no. And of course, you know, back then. No, I want cash. It's like, yeah, $2,000 for my family was like, no, we need this and so he turned it down. And I mean, I remember when he told the story, you know, two decades ago, how much it would have been worth if it's got to be so much more now. So he missed on that one. Then he had another situation where, and this is a little more, or a little less, or more unfortunate, but like, kind of like who knows? How many now? Wow. It looks like they have quite a few branches. Yeah, it was like one of the first ones. Probably about 20 maybe, 15 and 20. The second, this, he was working for PG&E. And again, hard workers have always been talented in, you know, like construction work and efficient. Like that, my stepdad was known for that, right? And so they had him climbing poles earlier because he was one of the best at it, even though he wasn't certified to do it. And they're just like, oh, Larry'll do it. He's so good at just have him do it. And he fell off a pole and landed on his back. And he was like permanently, partially disabled forever from that. And so he had this massive lawsuit with PG&E and he ended up settling and taking like 50 grand instead of actually taking the- Pursuing it? Yes. I mean, you're talking about something that should have been. He was diagnosed permanently, partially disabled from it. He was bedridden for almost half a year, a year plus out of work. Way easy on that. Oh yeah. It was they threw 50 grand at him and he jumped all over it and took it instead of like taking it to the distance. And I mean, that would have been massive. Oh, that's, there's a lot of situations like that where people aren't familiar with the legal system. Yeah. And- I mean, think about that. You're climbing a pole. Okay, well for a union job, you're not certified and you- He would have got at least 10 times. Oh, at least. At least 10 times a month, I think. Oh yeah. I'm not a lawyer. I've served somebody listening right now will comment and will say, yeah. I'm an internet lawyer. Yeah, I don't know exactly what it was, but I sure should know it was more than 50 grand. Speaking of banks, I'm surprised you guys didn't know and I'm gonna tell you honestly, just for people who don't know, one of the biggest banks in the country, Bank of America, originally, and I know you guys laughed at me. It was the Bank of Italy. We were walking. It's so funny. I told you guys this, you guys were making fun of me. You thought, oh yeah, right, Bank of Italy. It was. AP Giannini was the founder of Bank of America. And he created Bank of Italy to give loans to Italian immigrants because they were not giving them money to start business. Yeah, I was just down in San Diego. They have basically a little shrine for him in little Italy there. No way. Yeah. What an interesting fact. So were the colors different too when did it originally start in Italy? Look at Bank of Italy. No, it started here. So it did start here. I think it started in San Diego. San Diego. Yeah, he wanted to, again, there were a lot of Italian immigrants. Who would have thought, like, you would think that it was a terrible name for a bank here? Well, it was because it was for the immigrants. No, I get it. You're right. That's why he changed it to me. Of course, right. I get it. You know what I'm saying? I get it when it's planned. Well, it's smart. You're like, oh, okay, I gotta incorporate everybody. Yeah, to start with this group and then move on. But back in those days, in fact, there's a movie that's out right now. I want to go watch called Cabrini. I haven't seen it yet. I think I showed you guys the trailer. Back in those days, you know, the Italian immigrants were really discriminated against and looked down upon by everybody else that was here. And so he created that bank because nobody wanted to give him money. Actually founded in San Francisco. San Francisco. There you go. That's right. I shouldn't have known that. Anyway, I gotta tell you guys, my son is so funny. He wakes up the other day and he sleeps in, never sleeps in. So my three year old, six a.m. he's up. I don't care what, he just always six a.m. he wakes up. And he's just, that's it, ready to go. Well, he slept till like 7.45, which is just, Jessica and I were like, this is like a game. Is something wrong? Is he not feeling good? Yeah, we're watching the camera and everything. Like this is a gift from God. It's amazing, right? He comes out and he sees that the sun is up because every time he wakes up, it's dark outside. So the sun is up. And he comes out and he's like, wow, I slept so good. And he's walking around all proud or whatever. And then later on that night, you know, we're going back to bed and he goes, he goes, but how come he goes, I slept really good, but I'm still not like you. I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, I'm not big. I'm like, oh. I'm sorry, buddy. Can I tell him you grow when you go to sleep? He thought he was gonna wake up. Oh my God, I slept. He's all the same height. He's all disappointed. He's not the same size as his dad. It's cute. You know how I do that right now? This is funny because I've been sharing this process, right? With the books and like getting him to, yeah. So the newest thing I bought, I bought this like one of those, what do you call the rock-shiner kit things? You know, they tumble the rocks and then you do a bunch of- What a great idea. I got to get that. So when you just collect rocks outside? Oh yeah. So what made me do it was he's already been collecting rocks like crazy. So I was like, oh, he's gonna love this, right? So I get a video and I'm like, hey, check this out. And I'm like showing him. He's like, oh, that's so cool. I was like, do you want this? And he's like, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, this is gonna be like 14 books or some of that. He's like, okay, okay. So we, I buy it. So I always buy it, right? I buy it right away and then I set it up. So it's up on my counter right now and it's got the books that he's gotta read. This has been up there for like two weeks. And the other day, Katrina was like, granted, my son has had like the flu for like the last week. So he's a little off right now and everything. So she tried to get him the other day when they're home sick. She's like, hey, you wanna get your rock thing and you wanna read some books? No, I don't feel like reading right now. But it blows me away that he hasn't bugged for it. He doesn't ask for it. You just, it's- What a great attitude. It sits right there on the counter. Like I'm like, I want it to like entice him. I want him to go like, daddy, I really want that. So I go, oh, we gotta read our books. But he's like, he's already been, we've asked him like twice. Can you give him a loan? Just give him a thing, dude. Yeah, so he hasn't even, he hasn't done anything towards it this week. And now, like I said, granted, he's been really sick. And so I was like, you know, he's off. And so I'm not, we're not pushing the issue. But I thought it was so hilarious that this thing came in. I thought, man, I don't know if I could have been like that. If I was a kid and I wanted something and then I got, and I saw it like- Yeah, I knew? Yeah, either one, I'm driving- I would have snuck it. Yeah, I'm either, I'm sneaking in, driving you crazy or I'm doing whatever it takes to get it. Yeah, you'll want it. I know, I've been through the same process with Everett and like, I remember telling you guys about this like grandiose plan he had for like buying an arcade game for the house and like- Oh, that's right. And so he was like saving and stacking. He was like maybe almost three quarters of the way there. He was like a couple hundred dollars and like, you know, people were kind of slowly contributing to it and it's like a big, like it's such a lofty goal, you know, for him to be able to do it. And like it was doing all the chores and you know, it would burn out and then it would come back and he would kind of make a little progress, come back again. Well, apparently like one of his friends actually has the game and he was over there and he was like playing it. He's like, you know, like he's playing it. He's like, over it. He's like, you know, I just, I don't, you know, I'm kind of glad that I didn't, you know, I'm like, oh, this is the lesson I was trying to, you know, teach you with this. Like, but at the same time, I respect that. Like it's- That's how I feel about it. It's impulsive. I'm like, well, this was not the desired outcome. The deal was that he would read more and more when he sees this, but then at the same time too, I'm like, well, you know, the fact he's not asking for it, he's not bugging me and stuff like that. Like, okay, you know- I'm like, you still have your money. I mean, you know, like you can use it somewhere else. This for sure is the part. I mean, my son's only four going on five. You know, it's hard at this age to see yourself in him, you know, like little things here and there, right? Like we're similar. This is an area that I think I've brought up to you guys before where like, I am so that person where it's like on my terms. And it's like, you know- That's good. Like, I just, I might want to do something super risky and daring and then I may not want to do it. And I'm okay with it. Yeah, and I'm okay with it. Nothing anybody else could say can influence me one way or the other. And so I see that in his character. And so I don't want to push it. It's just like, oh, okay. It is funny to see those traits. It's like, my three year old has my cautious traits and my one year old has not, does not have my, he'll climb anything and launch herself off on her. And my three year old is like, we got a big trampoline in the backyard. So we got, we put a big trampoline back there. It's a lot of fun. You should see my three year old go in there. He climbs up, he gets on there and he just lays on it. Flat. I'm like, you're supposed to jump on it. He goes, no, I'll just stay like- This is better. I'll just stay like- Safe. You know what I bought for him? That's cool. It's cheap. It's on Amazon. It's like 20 something bucks, maybe 30 bucks. It's for, you get a two liter bottle. You empty out a two liter bottle. Oh, you tell him it's a rocket. You fill it with water a little bit. I have to look that up. You stick it on. I'd show Justin. You pump it up. It's just a bike pump. Bro, it goes, it glasses off. Send me the link so I can look it up. It is awesome. I mean, is it just rocket? I definitely add water to the rocket. Water, dude. And you pull a string and it goes on. He's really, one of the best purchases I've made so far with him. Well, two things I would say obviously the number blocks and then the science kit. We did this, we were doing the science kit again. He really digs the, getting and doing all that stuff and that'll keep him busy for hours. That's awesome. Speaking of science, I have to shoe this in while I have the opportunity. This was like another cool experiment. I didn't know anything about it. And I just come across this like video and it was like part of this documentary of this like experiment where it's called Sonoluminescence. So this is where they take like a bubble and it's inside a liquid like, I guess it's water or whatever. And basically you add sound waves to it which agitates the gas inside the bubble. And it actually like turns it into this like reaction where it gets a really bright blue light actually looks like a star. It gets so bright. Wow. It changes from a bubble to this little like glowing light that looks like a star. I was like, what the fuck? Can you look that up dog? Type that out. It's just so trippy. I'm like, and then you start thinking about that like, you know, cause to have sound waves kind of create a reaction like that, you know and if you think like on the universal scale like in terms of how stars and how like everything's like light is a big thing. You know, like sound is all part of this. Like, It says the mysteries so they don't know how it works. They don't know. Yeah. Really? It's just so weird. I was like, did you, Sal said he brought up and I don't remember. Yeah, I knew we were gonna go here. I, Sal brought up on the show. And maybe, maybe I'm just so bad. Sometimes he brings stuff up and I'm like, oh, whatever. It's not that cool to me until I see it myself. And I know he does it to me too. So it's totally fair. Cause I sit over in our clothes and bro, we gotta talk about this is crazy. He's like, we already talked about on the show. I'm like, what? I don't remember talking about this. And I saw that they did this study on. This is a Japanese scientist that Doug familiar with this. And they spoke positive things into water and then froze it. Yeah. And then they did negative things and it made these like. Different crystallized. Way different. Not like kind of different like. No, it's organized and beautiful. It's beautiful. And then the other one's all. So they did positive words of affirmation, positive words. They did prayer. Then they did negative words, criticism. And you can clearly see the difference. Yeah. These are all frequencies. And this is like sci-matics and stuff. This is the stuff I geek out on because I think there's like so much more to vibration sound and all that. Of course. We're not like investigating the full potential. There's also. That's why I thought this was so. And maybe I just needed the visual cause you probably talked about it. And I thought, oh, okay. I don't know the picture. The crystals are a little different. It's like crazy different. It's very different. Yeah. Words are very interesting. If we didn't understand words, we wouldn't think in the same way. The same organized way. Look at those pictures. Yeah. Like imagine right now trying to think in a for the future or to plan without words. So there's this big debate whether or not we would even have that capability until the creation of language. It was language that allowed us to organize our thoughts and to think in human, more human ways. So yeah, all this stuff has crazy. Crazy power. Yeah. I just thought that was so weird. It's almost like it reminds me of like the abyss or something, you know, it's like it's aliens. Like can you imagine seeing a little bubble and then all of a sudden it just starts like glowing and it looks like this little star. What the hell? What was that movie? Wasn't that a movie? Was it called the abyss? What was that movie? There was a movie called Abyss. There was, right? The Abyss? Yeah. It was like an alien. That's what it was. That's what it was. Yeah, good stuff. I've been, you know, on this like spiritual, you know journey or whatever. So I'm watching people debate and discuss things and I love their discussion. I heard one of the best arguments. I told this to Adam today. I heard one of the best arguments I'd ever heard. For the hypocrisy around you. Yes, dude. So you ever hear this? You ever hear people say this and we're like, well, yeah, you know, I know a lot of whatever insert, right? Christians who are just they're hypocrites. They don't, I know a guy who, you know, goes to church, but he gambles or I know this person. Why are they human? Yeah. Well, well, so beyond that, like think of this. Imagine walking into a gym and seeing, looking around be like, look at all these hypocrites. Look at all these not ripped people. Look at that obese person where they're working out. Look at hypocrite. And I'm like, oh yeah. Why that's so great is you're working on it. Obviously. Obviously. Of course, that's why it exists. You know, he, he, Sal, he, Sal, Sal shared that this morning and I thought, oh, that is, I've never heard that. That's actually a really interesting point. And what's even, what's even more interesting to me is that how fucked up our society is that if you, if our audience heard us talk about people in the gym that are fat as like hypocrites, you know what I'm saying? Or talk to- Anybody said that. People, oh, we would be totally hammered over that, but- And justifiably so. But absolutely not a big deal to say as somebody, a bunch of hypocrites are in church. Reminds me, I've seen some comments. I don't read a lot of comments, but I've seen a few of like some criticisms and things. And we get sometimes like religious people that will like, we'll bring up some topics and they'll hammer like, for some reason you specifically on using like cursing. And I'm like, so you're, for me that's always been like a bit of a wedge issue. Like it's like, if you're gonna like judge so harshly on somebody in the way that they use language and like, you know, in terms of like the reaction of it, like I can understand like situations and, but to say somebody's less holy or less like enlightened or less like pursuing like the greater good and truth because of like, you know, some language, the discrepancies like, you got to check yourself. It's the whole like pull the plank out of your own eye. Right, right. Come on, we're all people like everybody's. I just, that shit irritates me just because. Well, what irritates me? I'll intentionally use swear words for somebody like that to bring them back to reality. Yeah. I mean, those, I mean, I grew up around that, right? Yeah, same with me. And when I see that, I think what's so funny is cause these are also the people too that are the most, you know, staunch with like, okay, I'm. They need rules. Well, they're so funny because they're the ones that think that they're so holy and they're gonna, they're on this mission that all they think about is bringing other people to God and this and that and it's just like, you understand that that approach by doing that is like the quickest way to turn somebody off of wanting anything to do with that. Well, what it amounts to me is a use of force versus like, you know, agreeing or presenting something that people can all kind of like agree towards, you know, work towards versus like forcing people. We're just being the example. Exactly. The most powerful way, and this is not just. Attracting you. This is not just a religious talk. Yeah, bring it to fitness. Yeah, this is fitness. This is your ideas with anything. Yeah. It could be going to a movie or dinner with your wife. The most powerful way to get people to agree with you or follow you is to get them to be attracted. Yeah. Attracted to your ideas. Being an example. Attracted to what you're doing and nothing is more powerful than living that as an example that is so good, so shining, so cool that people go, man, what is it about you? Yes. That I don't have, I want and then inquire about it and then you have the opportunity. Listen, I've been in the fitness industry for two and a half decades. I am very convincing. I have no shortage of words. I have yet to convince a family member or friend to start working out because I just went up to them and started hammering them about it. It never works. No. The only success I've ever had in my entire life is to be the example and then to be approached and people come up, you know, you got so much energy or you know, what do you think about the science? And man, I'm gonna add to that. Right. Also getting to a place in your journey where you're so empathetic for all of their faults and failures and things like that. So imagine these people that you're talking about, Justin and other that are like pointing out all the flaws and like, you fucking idiot. Like that's like the worst way you could possibly do that. Like. You just said a bad word. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Fucking idiots. You know what I'm saying? Like that is not the way to do it. That's not the way to do it at all. Like that's not gonna, being understanding and empathetic and kind and loving it's the same thing to your point with the fitness. It's like, you, that's. Which means you can still be on an elite of statutes. That's right. You can still be honest. Yeah. I've had people come up to me say, Hey man, like why is my energy so low? And you know, I'm not feeling good. I'm like, well, I mean, you know, let's talk about your diet. And they just be honest, but people ask and they see it. Yeah. And what's way more powerful? You go and like, oh man, I know. I understand what it's like to struggle. Because you really do. Because I do too. And it's, it's hard for this. And like, here's some of the things that I work on. Like that approach is so much more powerful than being like, oh, shaming you. It's probably because you're lazy. Yeah. Is shaming you because you're doing that? Like, yeah, good luck getting people in shape or bringing people to God. That way. All right. You know, I got to, I got to talk about, let's do my take a left turn here. You know that, did you guys know that? They're talking about the YouTube comments, bro. I can't. I know, I got you. You're shaming people for shaming. I just got off that thing. I don't know that one got me just cause I, you know, it's just like what I grew up with the same thing. The same kind of like just overbearing like pressure to live under some kind of a standard and just pure judgment in that, you know, it's brutal. It's invitation. So I was reading some, we talked earlier about autoimmune issues and stuff. The autoimmune or immuno-modulating effects of cannabinoids, it's really interesting. There's more and more studies now showing how effective cannabinoids like CBD, CBC, CBG. With autoimmune. Yeah. Interesting. It tamps down the severity of the effect of autoimmune issues. And for people with low immune systems, it helps boost it up. So it's got this like, that's why they call it immuno-modulating. It's an immuno-modulating effect. So. I've never taken, I've, you know, maybe I should take my Ned like that. Just like I've never consistently taken it. I'd use it, you're like as needed. That's kind of how I. You can also try it topically, you know that? On your psoriasis. I've actually read that they're, that it actually can work topically also on the skin. Yeah. I've used some of the creams like that. And all, I mean, because it's a, because of it's like a dry skin fungus thing, like all oily anything feels. Yeah. Like coconut oil feels amazing. Like I sometimes I'll do that. If I got nothing in the house, I'll go scoop some coconut oil and rub it on there and it'll tamp down like how bad it feels. So this isn't related, but so Everett has, he reacts pretty strongly to poison oak. And so he'll get it every now and then. And so he was doing his sort of like meet up with the neighbor kids and got it again. And I guess, I guess somebody was saying that, cause he was using some kind of very expensive kind of cream to help the healing process. It was like, I don't know, some brand name that was like, I don't know, the latest like breakthrough thing. But I guess somebody was saying that Don actually is probably the most effective thing you can use. Regular dish soap, Don? Yeah. Yeah. And I think the thought process is like because it's some kind of like pulling the oils. Yeah. Cause the oils is the problem that spreads. Look up Don for poison. Yeah. I want to fact check it. I have no idea if that's interesting. True. But that's what they said. I just remember the commercials with the Exxon Valdez oil spill and they were cleaning the ducks with it. Yeah. Little baby ducks. They always bring that up. That is the gift that keeps giving forever, bro. Yeah. We saved them. Yeah. I know. Liquid dish soap or mild soap or very warm one in water. That's not one. I don't think it's just Don. I think it's just any. I don't think Doug Googled it. This is, I think this is like internet. Just soap for poison ivy. Did I ever tell you? This is like forum board. I just think Don got lucky and had their brand associated with it. Did I ever tell you guys my uncle, my, so this is my grandfather's generation uncle. So he's now passed away. But he, when he first came to this country, so back, you know, when they grew up super poor. So when you're in, you know, back in those days in Sicily, you work up in the hills. Sometimes you live up there for a few days to work and then you come back down and they don't have money for toilet paper or whatever. So they would, you know, go to the bathroom in the hills and they'd use leaves to wipe themselves with. Anyway, did I tell you guys this? No, but I already know where it's going. He used, he used poison oak to wipe this. No. Yeah, dude. That poison oak is all on his butt. Really? Yeah, it's just good. Yeah, dude. I don't know what you, how do you deal with that? You don't. What do you do? Just sit in the bathroom all day? Yeah. Actually that's probably a hot bath, probably. All day. Not as bad as you can get. All day. It's supposed to be like an oatmeal bath is what you're supposed to take. Actual oatmeal? Yeah, I think oatmeal. Try that one. Okay, no. I've never had. Okay, now, would you rather kind of question, right? So would you rather have that like and wipe with that or like tiger balm, you know, or like something where it's, you know, like you don't know. Oh, tiger balm for sure, Justin. Cause that's over and done with. The poison oak, let's say it lasts as long. Oh, well then that would be different. Isn't that like a prank? Well, cause that's like one of those, if you don't wash your hands good enough, like it, you know the worst about that stuff is like, you do some of that and you actually rub your eye or something like that. Oh, what? So what's that? That was a prank, right? You put your buddy Jocs wrap. Listen to my sister's friend and they're in their bra and panties. No, you didn't. Yes, you used to do that. What were they to start screaming? Yeah, no, I got big trouble with that. Yeah, when my sister's friends would. I'd rather the burn than the itch, I guess is my point. Oh man, that would, the itch would be. The awful dude. Butthole and the long, oh, that's, oh, I would, that's what I do. I just sit in the bath. Just sitting in the bath all the time. Just running water. Yeah, I just bath, bath all the time. The way those things work, by the way, same thing with spicy, same thing with spicy foods, it tricks the senses, the, what are they called? The taste buds or sensors that it's pain. It's not actually pain, but you feel it as pain. And you can't, there's nothing you can do about it. You see those videos of the people eating those like super hot chips. And they're like, there was a couple of kids at the hospital over it. That's how bad it was. Isn't that the latest TikTok thing, right? Is the chip thing? I don't know if it's the latest. Were they like dipped in Ghost Reapers or something? You buy one. You buy one chip. There's like a gas station chip, right? Isn't that what it's called? I don't know, but it comes in a box and it's one chip. We got Dylan here, he should know. Dylan, are you, do you know anything about this? I think you guys have talked about it before. It's like the death chip. Yes, yes. It's like the death chip. So yeah, it's the one chip challenge, they call it. Yeah. What kind of peppers is it? Pucky, let me see it here. What's going on on TikTok lately, Doug? I have zero idea, okay? He's working on his latest like routine. Yeah, I got my dance going on here. I can do it. Oh, dude, we have a shout out today. Is it the chip? Oh no, actually let's shout out. By the way, it's the Carolina Reaper chip. It knew it, it was some kind of Reaper. Let's shout out the conversation that Justin just sent over. Oh, I love that. Because my oldest sent that to me too. I'm sucked into that and I have even, so. It's Jordan Peterson and he interviewed Destiny with the gamer, it's his gamer name. It's a gamer handle. Oh, that guy's a gamer? He's a streamer. He's a streamer and then he started doing political commentary, got really popular. Interesting. I mean, he's a really smart guy. He's a smart, very smart kid. He can articulate his points. He's like 35. It's a really good debate. It gets heated, but they're respectful. And they both make pretty good points. Yeah. I mean, I've only seen like maybe 15 minutes of it and I was pulled in. I was like, oh, I gotta watch this later. All this is going to be good. It was really good. I loved, I love, you know, and I know obviously you, it's so weird. You bring up Jordan Peterson's name and it's like this massive, you know, triggering for some people. But it's like, man, a conversation like that. I mean, that's what it's all about right there, dude. Having, bringing somebody in who you disagree on, getting after it, but respecting each other. Yeah, there were no personal attacks. If you don't like Jordan Peterson, you'll like this interview because I feel like it's probably the best argument in opposition. There's another guy that I told you guys that I went down. I looked up that people were claiming like he got, Jordan got eviscerated, which was not true, but it was a good argument and was an atheist that argued with him. I think he did better than Sam Harris did with him and they went round and round. It was pretty good actually. Okay. But yeah, I've heard a couple of his that are like that that are just, I mean, those are great, great conversations. Yeah, Jordan Peterson destiny interview. Element T is an electrolyte powder with the right amount of sodium to power you through your workouts to give you better muscle contractions and better recovery. By the way, no sugar and no artificial sweeteners. It tastes great. And again, it's the electrolytes your body needs. Go check them out. Go to drinklamenti.com forward slash mind pump and through that link, they will offer you a free sample pack with any order. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Nick from Massachusetts. Whoa, that room looks cool. You look like you're inside of a crystal. Yeah. How you doing, Nick? Good, how are you? First off, what does that give you for, you know, everything you guys do, you've helped me both personally and even in my fitness career as a trainer, definitely a huge help from you guys out of that one. Yeah, well, how can we help you? Yeah, so let me preface with a little bit of a, you know, backstory kind of getting my question from there. So I'm 37 now, when I was 30, I suffered a stroke from migraines. But in short, like after a bunch of testing and everything like that, doctors pretty much said I had a stroke without actually having a stroke. Like I had no typical signals in the testing. There was no blood claw, all the scans came up fine, no burst, no hemorrhage, you know, anything typical never showed up in any of the science. It actually took them like 24 hours to find it. So altogether four areas on my brain were affected, the biggest part being my motor coordination. And up until that point, I had been lifting since I was about 20, so almost 10 years then, I had been an athlete my whole life, you know, very active, very healthy, you know, nothing typical that would set it off. And it was kind of just a freak thing. And at the time, my right side completely went numb. And basically my left side should have been numb because everything they said is its opposite brain. So it was kind of an anomaly too, because the right side that was affected, my left side should have been numb, but my right side was numb. So super, super weird case. So fast forward to today pretty much. Pretty good now, like very slight issues on the right side of my body here and there, as far as like balance and things go, I went through PT and recovery from there for about seven weeks to just basically stand up straight again and walk straight again. But after about a year and a half of recovery, I got back into lifting, eased my way into it and you know, got back up to it. But fast forward to today, what my question basically is I notice my CNS, everything just doesn't fire properly. I noticed that my right side overcompensates for everything, push exercises, like presses, triceps. My back always wants to kick in. You know, my back super tight. It's always trying to overcompensate like it's for everything. And it's super frustrating for me, especially being a trainer. I know, you know, I feel like I know what I'm doing. I have a lot of experience there and I try to treat myself almost as a client, you know, I mean like how I would treat a client and queue them up and do the same thing with me. And nothing seems to stick with me. I can't connect to the muscle the way I should. So I wanted to ask you guys. From a training standpoint, I mean, you've been working out now for a while since you had the stroke, right? This was back when you were 30 or 37 now, you said? Yeah, so I've been working out again, a consistent just about almost five years now, just four and a half, five years. There's gonna be some limiting factors that exercise won't be able to solve. However, I think exercise has done a significant amount in terms of benefit. And I think you can continue to improve, but if there is a limitation due to CNS damage or damage to a part of the brain, then at this point, there's only so far you can go without maybe talking to a worker or something. So what about exploring like peptides and stuff or something like this? You know, it depends how badly the damage is there, I would say. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't know how to comment on something like this. You know, I've worked with clients with nerve damage and we can get pretty far, but there's certain things that just won't regenerate. And so you're working at that point with compensations. I think unilateral training is where I would live if I were you. Cemetery is the program that I would do. I would always do unilateral training because you're gonna be more apt to develop imbalances or to strengthen imbalances with a barbell than you are with one side at a time type of training. Did the doctor say anything about like managing your intensity as you went back into the lift weights or anything? No, so I mean, they said pretty much just, you know, they kind of trusted me in a sense. And just saying, do what you do, just kind of ease up into it. Don't go crazy like that. So I know what I've tried, you know, I do actually like half my routine right now. It's a lot of, you know, a lot of stuff. And I still notice the same thing where it helps, but it's the same thing where my left side just doesn't want to develop like my right side does. I mean, I noticed it, you know, obviously I'm nitpicky, but like I noticed bicep, tricep, legs, everything on my left side is definitely less strength-wise, size-wise than my right. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's elements of the body that don't regenerate and central nervous system and nerve type stuff falls under that category. But I definitely wouldn't stop and I would focus on unilateral training to prevent. I wouldn't do half, I'd do 100%. Yeah, always. And always, and what will be challenging because to you, you notice a significant difference from left to right is the desire to want to keep pushing the stronger side. It's like you got to just, you got to mirror what you can do on the weaker side. If we're going to chase symmetry, right? If we're going to try and balance the body out as much as possible, you know, if you can only leg press X amount of weight on the left side, you got to do that on the right side and just mirror it and not resist the temptation to want to push more with the more dominant side. Is the other, you know, another thing you can add, and I don't know how much of a difference this will make, but throughout the day is to try to use the side that's been affected more than the dominant side. So balance on that foot more often, use that hand more often and just anytime you do something, use that side because that'll continue to send a consistent signal to the body and there may be some compensations that can happen. You know, the brain's got some plasticity, so there may be some compensations that can still happen, but I would do a lot of frequency in the sense of just living my life, I would aim to use that side more or as much as possible. Yeah, even like doing like isometric stuff on that side, I think it would be great for him, you know, so focusing on things like that. Do you have our symmetry program? I don't, I usually just do a lot of my own stuff that makes sense, I can try it for sure. Yeah, we think you'll like it. Yeah, let's send that over to you and literally fall it the way it's laid out too, because I think you'll benefit from the isometrics at the beginning too. Awesome, I appreciate it. Yeah, that's the thing, I definitely don't go 50%, I mean, a couple of days I have like some shitty days, but pretty much I'll try to go 100% and one thing I learned from you guys a while ago was not overdoing it on one side, then the other, you know, I like on single side, I'll do that side first, wherever I feel, whatever, and then I just match it. Okay, good, yeah, perfect. Yeah, good. Good on point, dude. And I would guess. Just use time and volume, yeah. And I would guess because of your training and your experience and consistency, you're a lot farther than you would have been without those things. Oh, 100%, 100%. Yeah, so kudos to you for that. I appreciate that. If I can follow up real quick, if you don't mind with something. Sure. So the other part of that is I notice the migrants got way better since, you know, that kind of happened, they kind of went away from the most part, I get them here and there. Certain workouts definitely trigger that and I didn't know if there's a way around it or again, kind of maybe avoid it all together. So like shrugs, barbell deadlifts and barbell back squats are the three main ones where I basically eliminated them from my workout because it's an instant migraine. Nick, this is all central nervous system connected, it sounds like. Those exercises can cause a temporary, more so than other ones, a temporary rise in blood pressure and then a blood pressure drop when you put the weight up and it's probably when the set is over that the migraine starts to kick in or there could be something in the cervical area of your spine that could be triggering because you just mentioned a bunch of exercises that tend to stress that area a lot. Deadlift, shrugs for sure and barbell squats for sure. Have you had an MRI done on your cervical spine? We did two years ago, I had one, everything was pretty much normal. I know I forgot exactly a couple of things were a little closer than they should be but they said nothing significant and nothing to really worry about. Yeah, central nervous system is where I would look and you've probably done everything that Western medicine can do for that. I would look towards Ayurvedic medicine or Chinese medicine to see if there's anything that they can offer that can help your CNS become a little more balanced because that's what's triggering the migraine is, yeah. And the central nervous system controls your blood pressure up or down. So, and I've had that with clients where they'll do a set, put the weight down, either get dizzy or get a migraine right afterwards. Sometimes both. Yes, yeah, so it's like your blood pressure goes up and then you get this dramatic drop. Yeah, more so than you should when you stop the set. One thing you can try is when you rack the weight, tense your legs and keep them tense for about 10 to 15 seconds. That'll help keep the blood pressure up and then slowly release the tension out of your legs. Don't let the blood pressure drop all at once. Yeah, see if that helps. Yeah, definitely. I've tried to talk to a lot of people that's why I was glad to get on here because I've tried to pick all the trainers' brains. I've done a lot of research and it's kind of just standard like, take it easy or do this. It's also something that typically someone twice my age deals with, so. Yeah, no, no, understand. No, thanks for calling in, man. Yeah, I appreciate it. Can I have one quick follow-up if you don't mind? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to go with everything like that real quick, I do a lot of mobility, a lot of stretching, but I notice along with everything else, my muscles are tight no matter what I try. I mean, I have mobility days, I prime them before the workouts, no matter what I, and I know that's affecting things too, which again, it's probably a CNS thing. It is. Wow, 100%. Yeah, it's an all pointing to that. Yeah, it is. Static stretching might be something that's really good for you. Do you have like high heart rate, blood pressure? How's all that for you, by the way? Literally, everything's like perfect. Everything's normal, everything's good. I try stretching mobility, all of that. It's quick relief, obviously, but then workouts, everything, it's super tight. I think static stretching would be good for you, not before your workout, but at the end of the day at night, or static stretching in heat with a sauna, that gets the CNS to chill out or to kind of balance out a little bit. Okay, yeah, I'll definitely try that. This is CNS stuff. Yeah, oh yeah. Interesting. Yep. That's what I figured, I just, you know, go to the experts. No, you're on the right track, but I feel like too, I wouldn't stop searching. No, no, I would not. I wouldn't stop searching, because it sounds like it's just something that's really good. Have you had your adrenals looked at? Anything? Uh, no. Normal blood work. Yeah, but there's something going on with your CNS. So you might want to even go to a specialist. They do these whole body scans. Now, I don't know where you're at, but over here in San Jose, I don't know how much it costs, like two grand or three grand, but they do this whole body scan of the whole body. They look at everything and then, you know, they can kind of look at that and look for certain things. But I wouldn't stop looking. There's something that has not been found, is what it sounds like. That's what it feels like. I mean, over the years, seven years now, I've had eight different neurologists. You know, I Google everything online. I try to talk to everybody. There's nothing. Maybe when we, maybe we can connect them with the guy that we know. I don't know if I can mention Dr. I say Dr. Conn, maybe we can connect him with Dr. Conn to see if he can help. That's a good call. Yeah. Yeah, we'll send you some information for somebody that we know that works really well, but you'd have to fly out of country. A little bit of email to start. Yeah. All right, man. All right, Nick. Thanks, Nick. Thank you guys. You got it. That sucks. Definitely a, you know, yeah, it sounds like it's just like some sort of a rare condition with the CNS that like a normal doctor is just not going to pick up on. Because everything he said was definitely elusive. Back to that. Yeah. And now the damage he got from the stroke, I mean, some damage you get, you just can't fully come back. And when it comes to peptides, I don't know if they would even help this far out. Right afterwards, there could be some benefit. Like right afterwards, there might have been benefit from doing a peptide that helps accelerate healing. I mean, Dr. Kahn will be a good person to talk to. Yes, because he's cutting edge. He's way beyond what you're going to be doing with any other. That's what he needs to look into, somebody who's revolutionary in this. And he's dealing with a lot of like young athletes that are pushing their bodies at extreme limits and have weird shit going on when they get hit and hurt. So he's probably the best. I'll be with him tomorrow. So I'll talk to him and see what's up. And then Doug, you'll have to probably reach out to Katrina to get the email information for him to email in or whatever. She can actually email personally and see if we can get him at least connected to his team and see if he can troubleshoot more. Our next caller is Oleg from Lithuania. What's happening, Oleg? Hey, what's up, guys? How can we help? We believe that I'm here. Yeah, there are so many people who told you so many good words and I will not repeat that, but I can tell you that I'm truly amazed about one thing. There are three of you guys. You're doing that almost every day. And we know, at least I know that you know how difficult the relationship has been. People are, and you look at professional and fun every single day. So thank you for that huge respect for that. It's a lot. It's really hard to deal with Adam for all I know. We work hard. A lot of smoke and mirrors. You have no idea how much shit we put up with some. Hey, I said it first. How can we help you, man? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, all right. So I'll try to go through my mail and then I will add just one place to my question. Which I totally forgot when I was asking it. So I'm 42 years old, I'm six foot and I'm 160 pounds guy. My main hobby and my passion is windsurfing. I'm competing at a national level, but I'm not a pro and weight matters a lot in my sport. So I compete mainly against 200 pounds or 210 pounds guys and they go way faster. And of course for some time I've tried to gain weight and basically I was a bit more systematic with my training for the past two and a half years. And I've been doing a weird stuff. I've been basically doing three exercises all two and a half years. I've been doing squats, bench press and weighted pull ups. And each week I've been adding basically, I've been doing five sets of each and each week I've been basically adding one rep which is around 3% of my total volume. So to have that overload. And then when I was hitting like five sets, 12 reps then I was just bumping up the weight. I managed to go from 100 pounds to 155 pounds in squats and bench press. I went to go from no added weight pull ups to 33 pounds additional weight pull ups. And the most of the days actually hit my protein targets. I use shakes at least once a day, but not all the time. And then I was almost all the time in the maintenance mode and for the past few months I went in a moderate bulk and I gained some weight. And of course I got some actually, unfortunately some belly fat as well together with it. However, my question is I guess is not exactly about how to add weight but is actually how to approach the training. And as a windsurfer I have two seasons. I have one season which is more or less April till November and a half off season which is November till March. And during the season I cannot plan very much because windsurfing it's a wind thing. So if it blows like three or four days a week then I'm once in a time I'm in a gym. I'm doing that at home. And then during winter I'm more systematic with my approach. And I recently purchased this MAPS 40 and the only thing that actually picked up for a MAPS 40 was the checklist. So going to bed, drinking water, no electronics and yada yada. But I did not switch to the training per se and the main problem is mental because I was going for the same exercises for two and a half years. I saw progress, I never had any traumas and I'm so afraid now to go with something else because I mean then maybe I will not be gaining strength or but I've heard a lot from you guys about novelty. So. Yeah, Oleg, real quick I gotta say something. The workout you were doing, the squats, bench pull-ups, add one rep a week. And then when you get to 12, add some weight is better than 90% of the workouts that people sell online. The simplicity of that. It's very simple, very basic. Such a great methodical approach. The way you added volume, incredible. Now you're totally ready for MAPS 40 plus, you're ready for a new program and you're going to see more muscle gains from a new program, especially because you're adding new exercises to your programming. I mean, you're gonna get great benefits from it, especially after what you've been doing. I'm still so fascinated that in windsurfing it's better to be heavier. Yeah, that's so that the sale doesn't pick you up and you stay more on the water. Why is it better to be heavier? That's so counterintuitive. It's a lot about physics. The bigger guys, they have more momentum. They can have the bigger sales. It's just to go faster in others. If you want to do jumps and fix them, you better be light and flexible and everything. But in a speed runs, you need to be fast. Okay, that makes more sense then. Well, I mean, yeah, you follow MAPS 40 plus you go in a calorie surplus, a nice small surplus, you'll gain some muscle for sure. And you even touched on how to train, right? So that's what you would follow that to a T in the off season. On season, you do one day a week like you were doing. You have the perfect, yes. So off season. So I'm keeping on season the same routine and then off season and go MAPS 40 basically, yes? Yes, yeah. What you were doing naturally is, I mean, you actually did a really good job with what you've done so far. I think the way you were programming for yourself is great and exactly how we would program an athlete. In season, I don't want you in the gym lifting traditional weightlifting more than one day a week. That's plenty. So in other words, you can start MAPS 40 off season or on season, but on season, you do it once a week. On season, you follow the program as it's laid out. But I mean, if I do MAPS 40 on season once a week, isn't that like just, you know, I'm doing just part of the program, then losing so much, maybe then I just need to stay as it's... No, you're fine because they're full body workouts. No, you're fine. With that program, you're fine. You can pick one of the workouts and you're okay. Yeah, yeah. Like if you were doing our split program, that wouldn't be an ideal way to do that. But because the MAPS 40 is based off of a full body routine, you just pick one of the days and you can follow it and that would be sufficient for sure. Yeah, the only other option, like it would be like a MAPS 15 where you're kind of spreading out that volume throughout the week and you're just doing really like short workouts to combo with, you know, you're practicing, but just once a week of a full workout, routine is going to cover that. And the reason why I like the actually once a week versus because I like MAPS 15 a lot because if I understood you correctly, the days that you windsurf are inconsistent because it's based off the wind, right? So if it's like you get three, four windy days in a row, you're doing it. If you have one day and then 40, so having a routine where you have to come to the gym consistently throughout the week is probably less advantageous. A program where you can just do it one day a week or any day that you get free is, so I mean, I like you following MAPS 40 year around. You run the end season, you just do one day a week of one of the full body workouts. And then when you're in the off season, follow it to a tee, bump your calories a little bit and let it go. Damn, that was too easy. It is. Well, you're doing good already, bro. I think you did a hell of a job on your own. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, thank you guys. Yeah, thank you. So then I guess I'll just stick to that. But then once I'm that I don't understand every like three months, I need to switch a program. So basically next time, but since I'm my off season is like five months. So then basically I'm good. And I'm just running MAPS 40. Then I'm going to my regular. Yep. Yeah, you're totally fine. The other program in off season would be like a MAPS performance or anabolic would even be appropriate. But you're fine. But get good at 40 for now. You can run that a few times back to back to back in the before we mess with anything. In fact, I would try and squeeze everything I could out of. If you're seeing what you will, if you follow it to a tee in the off season, you're going to see some good gains from it. I'd keep running it until you start to see yourself stall in the gym. And then we could then we could interrupt that with another program. Well, all right. Right on. Thank you guys. Yeah, hey, keep us posted. Thank you so much. I'd love to hear how it goes, man. Follow back up with us. Thank you. All right. How funny is that? That's cool. That some dude, not even a trainer, right? No. Comes up with the program. And the way he explained it and does it is better. Literally. Any fitness influencers. Literally better than 90% of the workouts of fitness influencers. Should have asked somebody did for work. I'm always intrigued by someone who has like a brain like that. Yeah, yeah, probably engineer or something like that to be that. Yeah, that method. I mean, it's perfect. Literally one rep a week, you could have done more, whatever, nope, just one rep. Yeah. Added weight when he gets a 12. Like what a great, systematic. And the three exercises he picked were pretty good. I mean, that's not a bad combination of exercises. No, you're going to get plenty of great full body gains from all those. Totally. I love that. Our next caller is Gabby from Nevada. Hi, Gabby. How can we help you? Hi, guys. How you doing? This is really exciting and slightly intimidating. But first, thank you guys so much. I've learned so much not just about fitness and health, but just everything. Even you guys talking about your kids. I don't have kids, but I still enjoy even stuff like that. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Great. So first to start off, I started a bulk in September. I wouldn't say I started gaining weight until probably around December. And I started at 127 pounds. And then through that, I gained around, I would say, and I went up to 137. Or no, sorry, not 137, 133. And then I get these body scans done. And I've done three from October to the end of February. And after that, I kind of noticed that I had only gained 1.3, I think, to the exact pounds of muscle and then 5 pounds of body fat, which was really discouraging. Obviously, I did something wrong. I felt like I was doing everything right. I felt stronger. I track my calories pretty accurately. I would say I only go out to eat probably three times a month. So I'm just kind of confused on where I went wrong, I guess. How much stronger did you get? Can you give me some ideas of weights that you could do for a certain lift and what it went to? So I would say probably an average of all my lifts I gained around, or I went up 10 pounds and everything. So squat, I started at 150. And then I went to 165. Bench, I started at 100. And I got 110. I don't deadlift very consistently. But everything else, like split squats, I went up and weighed a lot. Like everything I felt, I feel like I got stronger. Where's the programming coming from? What are you following? I just kind of make my own stuff. I do a body part split. And then with one full body day, so I usually do about five to six days of training a week. There you go. Yeah, we're going to get you. We're at the program. I can see the program. That's the problem. That's way too much. I just bought anabolic advanced. Too much. Too much. Anabolic advanced is great. But I want you to go to MAPS Anabolic. You'll get there. We'll send you that. Let's start with anabolic. MAPS Anabolic, do the three day a week version on there. Do the trigger sessions on the off days. Make the trigger sessions easy. I'm going to say this again because I know what you're going to do. I can already tell you're going to overdo the trigger sessions. Make the trigger sessions. Just you just want to feel the muscles, not a workout. But then you get three workouts a week. That program will take care of, by the way, that's not terrible what you did. You gained a pound, a little over a pound and a half of muscle, gained some body fat. But the problem was you weren't the muscle building signal wasn't effective enough. And that doesn't mean you didn't train hard enough. It just means it wasn't appropriate. And I guess that you worked out too much. Five or six days a week is just too much to build muscle for most people. People that train like that and build muscle on that are really advanced, genetically gifted, oftentimes on hormones. So MAPS Anabolic, follow it to a T. And you're going to see your strength gains go up like crazy. Are you good about hitting, Gaby, are you good about consistently hitting your protein and tank, too? Yeah, I get, I probably get around 140 grams of protein a day, so. You're good. Yeah, if you're doing that, it's just programming. I mean, you're an example of how this makes a difference. This will make a big difference for you. I'm going to have Doug put you in the private forum also because I'd like to keep an eye on you as you go through this. And then just every month, check in with us. So as you're going through the process, just keep us posted on how you're feeling, what's going on, especially with strength and stuff like that. That's what we should notice. I think you'll get even more strength. I mean, your calories, you got yourself up to 2,700 calories at 130 something pounds, not bad. Yeah, yeah. And it's not like you gained a, I mean, you're not, you're just still lean. So you're, everything's like the one missing piece of the puzzle is the programming. And that's why I feel so confident that when you follow maps at a ball like you're, it's going to blow your mind on how your body responds in comparison to how it has been. And I'd probably, now that you got all the way up to 2,750, which is really good, I'd probably hover somewhere around 2,500 calories and just follow the program. And follow maps at a ball. So you're not really in a major deficit if you are, it's a slight, maybe some days you're in a surplus, it's going to, and just follow the programming and let the program do the work. And we should see yourself just lean out, lean out nicely. And maybe if we're lucky, build a little bit of muscle at the same time. Yeah. Were you doing strength training before all of this? Or was that new to you? Yeah, I've been lifting for about, I would say three and a half maybe four years. Awesome. Awesome. You're going to love maps and a ball look. Okay, perfect. And so I am down to 2,200 calories right now and my plan was just keep going down and like go into it. No, no, no, no. I want you around 2,500. Say then, since you told me that you're at 2,200, maybe hover around 2,350 to 2,500. 2,500. You're going to go lower than 2,350. Yeah, yeah, you stay up, stay up. You're going to be okay. Okay. Yeah, cause we got to feed the game. No, we have to feed the muscle. That's okay. That's why I want you in the forum because I actually want to hear, I want to hear, because I might put you even higher after a month. So I want to hear how you're doing. So stick to a number, just be consistent with it. Check in with me in the forum and let me know. Hey Adam, this is where, and guys I've been eating this many calories. This is what I see strength wise. So I see weight wise. Just tell us what you see and then we can adjust. Have you lost any weight at 2,200 calories since you've been there? Yeah, I've lost two pounds. Yeah, you know what? Let's get you out. Yeah, I don't go, I mean, I would even go 24, 25. I mean, 25 was the number. Yeah, 25. That's the number I felt good about. Cause we got to give, we got to make sure we fuel the muscle that you're going to get from absentee baller. Yeah. And then again, just like I said, stay in, keep in touch with us and then we'll coach you through the process to make sure we're right there. But I think you're going to see some great results from this. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. Yeah, you got it. All right, Gabby. No problem. That's it. Thank you guys. Thank you. We'll see you in the forum. Sounds good, bye. Bye. See, we're going to have five, six days a week, some full body with body parts split in there. I mean, okay. So I think we should explain what happens, right? You're in a surplus. So your body's eating cow. So it's going to put weight on, right? She's lifting weights. But what's happening is you're getting stuck in that recovery trap. She's, the body's not fully recovering. She's just hammering it again. You're not adapting at that point. And so she's not building more muscle and she's putting on a little bit of weight. And she didn't do bad. It's just not this, it's a, what do you say all the time that I like that you say, which is the, it's like the difference between optimal versus what you can handle, you know? So in her eyes, I can, she can easily handle five days a week of training, but it's not optimal right now. And the programming, who knows what the pro, see there's so much that goes to the program and that people don't understand. It's not just, am I recovering enough? Am I doing the right exercises? Exercise, order, reps, sets, tempo, like, and then how you piece it together. Leaving it to how you feel, you can trick yourself really easily based off of that day. So yeah, following the program. I love that we had an easy answer for her. That's it, that's it. It's gonna make a big difference. Our next caller is Tay Wu from California. What's up Tay Wu? How can we help you? Hey, hey, hey. I'm at my gym. And so there might be some noise here and there. So I apologize in advance. No worries. There is a fire truck going. Hey guys, I'm from San Francisco. Neighbors. I'll just read my question out loud and then go from there. All right, let's hear it. So, I'm a personal trainer in San Francisco and yes, I am in the Elite Trainer Academy course. I have been working out for 15 plus years now and have been able to expose my fitness levels to numerous modalities. Right now, Olympic lifting, powerlifting, kettlebell training and animal flow are my routines, but I also recently introduced landmine training and have been loving it. I can confidently say that these modalities will be a part of my routine for a big chunk of my career or training, if not forever, especially with animal flow. I'm recently coming back from a low back injury that caused a minor bulging disc and some sciatica down my left glute and hamstring. It's getting better now. This injury caused me to pause and think about the longevity of my fitness career and how I want to model my programming moving forward to lift heavy, but also still not get injured. I still love lifting heavy. So like Olympic lifting, powerlifting, kettlebells, landmine, all that stuff, but I also love to do animal flow and move like a ninja. My current routine is Monday, Wednesday, Friday, full body workouts and Tuesday, Thursday, sometimes Saturdays are my animal flow and mobility training. My question here is on the Monday when it's a Friday workouts, how can an appropriate program, the other modalities of training without over-training? How would I know how much volume to do to make sure that my body doesn't feel stiff and tight? So for example, you guys on your program, you do month-to-month phasing. Do I do Olympic lifting for a month, kettlebell training for a month? I also like the idea of incorporating all those in a month and then kind of going from there. So just kind of needing your guidance on that. How long have you been a trainer? Trainer 10 plus years now. Oh good, okay. The reason why I asked that is because when you're combining different modalities, so when you look at a modality of training like powerlifting or Olympic lifting or kettlebell training and then you find time-tested workout programs like West Side Barbells training or whatever, they're very well made, they're time-tested, they're good. And sometimes is when we mix modalities, we don't consider the combinations of certain exercises and how they'll feel and they're just not time-tested and it's hard to kind of gauge those things, but with your experience, you're probably gonna do an okay job. You'll probably know I probably shouldn't kettlebell swing on this day because I'm doing this lift and the day after I'm doing that type of deal. So that probably won't be an issue with someone with your experience. The main thing is gonna be adjusting the intensity of your workouts and changing the exercises when you start to notice overuse patterns or issues, if you start to move in the same plane all the time. So if you start to notice lateral stability issues or rotational stability or strength, then that would incorporate those. But a lot of it's gonna be around monitoring and managing the intensity of your workouts and that's gonna be lifestyle. Like sometimes you can work out harder, sometimes you work out not so hard, how do you feel, how's your body feel are you progressing, regressing? Are you noticing more injuries? What kind of sleep are you getting? So the intensity is gonna be the most important thing to manage for longevity. That's true, but you're also talking about, he's talking about quite a few modalities thrown at one time. Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my brain around your start. I'm looking at it right now. Obviously animal flow is easiest, right? Cause that's like a mobility practice that can, it pairs well with everything. And I love the idea of that is a way to mitigate like a little bit of overreaching or an off day or in between workouts, right? So that's easy, animal flow is easy, but I'm looking at landmine, kettlebells, powerlifting and Olympic lifting. And there's just a lot to slam into a week. So it's like, I'm not gonna train all those in a week. I'm gonna probably focus more on these like mesocycles that would be like, I don't know, four to six weeks long of Olympic lifting. And then it would go to like kettlebells and then it would go to powerlifting. That's typically how I would wanna do something. And not only just because I think that programming-wise it's going to benefit you, but it's, I think it also gonna be easier to see actual real improvements in those things. Like obviously you know how technical Olympic lifting is. Like I wouldn't wanna like just get in the groove and then all of a sudden I'm switching out to a different complete modality. So have you gone through our maps performance program? Yeah, I have. So I haven't gotten looked at the advanced, my absolute performance advanced version, but going back to what Adam, what you were saying, cause this is what I was thinking too of like, let's say Olympic lifting and powerlifting are my like red and butter. And so if I did like a three month phase of Olympic lifting, but after let's say I'm doing a cleaning jerk on Monday for like 30, 40 minutes, maybe like the rest of the 20 minutes I can do some supplemental stuff with like a landline and kettlebell. That's why the original thing that I said was, I mean, what Adam's saying. Yeah, your experience will be able to dictate that. Because like, you know, again, if you look at established Olympic lifting routines, powerlifting routines, kettlebell routines, you know, what you're looking at is time tested routines with good programming people have used and they know this combination works and it works well. When you mix different elements in together, you know, you might have a recipe for a cake and a recipe for a pancake and a recipe for a waffle and say, well, they're all tastes good. I wonder if I mix everything together if it'll taste good. We don't know exactly what the combination is. That's why we like to do blocks, right? Yes. We like to kind of focus on like developing the specific skills or adaptations. And maybe if you can wrap your head around what that really looks like in terms of like, well, am I trying to focus on power specifically? Right, if that's your goal, like then that's where Olympic lifts make sense. That's where like maybe using kettlebells with that type of like power dynamic, you know, you can kind of structure it that way a little more effectively. And that's why it kind of was referring to mass performance because we were trying to look at like building foundational strength. What do we do in this block? You know, and let's develop that. Now the next one, it's like people don't move in planes, you know, effectively and aren't strong in different ranges of motion. I'm gonna, you know, gather all these exercises that make sense for me to kind of, you know, gear and steer them in that direction to build and develop that like strength and then, you know, move into power itself or speed power and then conditioning all on its own. So, you know, if there's a way you can kind of like take elements from that, especially like landmine too. It's like amazing for power and being able to move with acceleration with weight. So you combo that in there and you just kind of focus on, but again, power you wanna really reduce the amount of fatigue. So you gotta account for that. So I mean, that's as good as I can do. No, you would try to organize it. Justin, you hit it, I didn't even think to, with your background as a trainer to Sal's point, like you're gonna have a good handle on this. Literally, I would do what Justin's saying. I would take our maps performance advance, the blueprint of that, like basically how we have the phases and then your expertise of knowing like, oh, this is what these guys are trying, the adaptation they're going for is explosive training. I'm gonna take some of my Olympic stuff and I'm gonna integrate it into that phase. And then you see other things where it's like, oh, foundational strength. Okay, I'm gonna take some of my powerlifting exercise I like and I'm gonna integrate it in there. So use our, the way we've mapped out that program, but use your experience and knowledge in all those different modalities to insert and change out the exercises. That's probably the best way to do this since you already have a good handle on those modalities. We've already laid out kind of a blueprint of going after specific adaptations. That might be the best answer. Because the why for all that will require us to have like hours long podcast to cover. If you want two easy answers, easy answer one is follow those trainings in blocks or answer two, I think, give maps and maps performance advanced a shot and follow it as it's laid out. Don't worry about all the other stuff, just follow it as it's laid out. And what you're looking for in terms of how you feel and move I think you'll get from the program. I mean, that's a good point too, Sal, because I know you like animal flow, but we address mobility stuff, just you can do your animal flow stuff instead of the mobility things in there. I'm fine with that. I think if you follow maps performance advanced, just as it's laid out, I think you'll get what you're looking for. Got you. And then so as far as programming, all that stuff, like all that stuff that you said, so would it be, so I know performance has like month to month phasing. And so like Justin said, like the month one can be like strength for power focused and then going from there and then adding in like supplemental stuff in between or like at the towards end of the work. Is that kind of what you guys are getting? No, no, if you follow the programming, like the way you would do it is the only thing that you would add or change that program is you would take out an exercise and put in something that you want. So there's like, let's say we're missing, because we don't have a lot of Olympic lifts, like traditional Olympic lifts in any of our programs. So if there's like a phase where we have you doing an exercise where you're like, oh, you know, I'd rather do phase three. Right, I want to do an Olympic lift right here then. But it has to match. Yeah, it needs a match. You don't replace dumbbell curls and not that they're in there. Right, right. It needs a replace, you need to replace a move. Don't add to the program, take out something that you don't want to do, replace it with a movement that you want to do and it'll make sense in that phase on what to replace. And if you add anything, it needs to be like animal flow. All the, like all the other modalities, like you're going to get, we have landmine inside that we don't have kettle bell inside that, but you can easily switch out some things that are we do traditionally in there. Yeah, we do. So if he's talking about performance advance, we do have like some kettle bell, we have landmine specific exercise. We, and it's structured within, like if power was my focus, here's how I'm sprinkling that in is the skill I'm focusing on. And it's lower intensity, the training between that, but then now we reduce it down to like two, two basic like foundational strength days per week and you're just supplementing that. The rest of the week with low, you know, to moderate level intensity, real hyper focused on the skill. So if that makes sense to you, like you could really go through that and get all the ideas of how to structure what you're talking about by just, you know, deliberately going through that and kind of, okay, this is how, you know, they pulled these exercises and put it in for this phase. I can do that with all those other pursuits. I mean, Tay, you're in our form too. So like I'm like follow the program and then you don't, I mean, check in with us. Just go like, hey, I'm thinking about pulling this out and I'm going to put this in. What do you guys think? Yeah. And run a bias. If you don't already know, I feel like you're going to have a pretty good, I think you're going to be able to do a lot of this on your own, but if there's something that you're not sure about, just post in the forum and say, hey, I'm following the maps and performs advanced. I want to pull this exercise out and I want to put this one in. What do you guys think about that? You think that's a good move? And then we'll tell you yes or no. Oh, yeah. I like it though. I like all the modalities you're doing. Pretty much it's, yeah. All right, cool. Thank you, thank you. And then one last thing is, can I ask one last thing? Go ahead, sure. For that, since everything is like very skill-focused, would it be, I mean, obviously like, would it be beneficial to focus on like these months of like just going like medium, light to medium weight, but just like focusing on just the skill-asset of it? And then once I, because I'm still kind of recovering from the injury and then once I feel better, going for the power, okay. I think performance advance is really like gonna be perfect for what you're talking about. Like it's literally structured like that. So yeah, go through that and you're gonna get a lot of what you're trying to figure out just by going through it. Perfect. And then just one last thing, if I can. Go ahead. Sorry, sorry, sorry. You're good. So I'm in San Francisco. My gym, we're completely outdoors. And so I know you guys have talked about like, oh, is there like a completely outdoor gym? Like today it's sunny. I can show you guys in our container, but we have a full set of gyms equipment out there. Awesome. And so if you guys are in the, up in the San Francisco area, let me know and then we can do some workouts together or something like that. Awesome. All right, man. All right, appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right, man. Take it easy. That was a good one. One of the workouts is to fight off the homeless people. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. It's apocalyptic training. That's terrible. A typical like trainer, right? Like just fucking that loves what he does. You love that though. I mean, he's doing all kinds of. Gonna be, I bet it. If I were gonna look at here, with my experience, if I were gonna learn or train in any of those ways, I would follow programming based on that. Cause when you mix things together. Justin hit that on the head. I don't know why that didn't even dawn on me. Cause I was looking at all the stuff like, how would I like sitting right now, try and piece together? This is like what we do when we try to create a program. It's like takes a long time. I need three days, I need three days, bro, to sit down and really think this out, like to, to Trump. But then you're right. We, the, you follow mass performance. And then you, you literally can take the things that maybe he's, we don't have in there, which is what actually really covers most of that stuff. Yeah. And then, and then as a trainer, you should know how to. I mean, even the rotational skill in there is gonna cover a lot of the animal flow stuff. So if he goes through, he's going to be like, oh, okay. It's going to make a lot more sense. Yeah. Look, we have a lose body fat guide at mindpumpfree.com. It's totally free. Check it out. You can also find us on social media. Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump Justin. I'm on Instagram at Mind Pump Stefano. And Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam.