 The Kaduna State Chairman of the Christian Association of Nigeria John Hayab whose son is one of the now free students is joining us now Thank you for your time. Mr. Hayab Reverend Hayab. We are glad your son is free Yeah Sunday is about to be with us at home. We are also sad because many of his classmates his friends that we know him with Still with the bandit. This is the kind of story we've been receiving all these years in Kaduna Every day you wake up. Your brother is being kidnapped or your co-worker has been kidnapped or a particular community that you share We are attacked. How did Sunday your son regain his freedom? Was he rescued or did he escape? How did he regain his freedom? I think we need to redefine what it means to be rescued Government and our security agencies have actually been using this term every day. And sometimes we want to appreciate them but it's really quite sad That when they say they rescued people who they didn't even know how they suffered My son was in that situation for over an hour before the security came So who could have turned me that he rescued you but if that is the new digital definition for rescue When people set themselves and you come and gather them and take them to the bar and then you announce that you rescued them Okay, now we are learning probably we'll have to go to a new school of the world rescue because this time I'll be used wrongly in the crisis of Kaduna State and Nigeria at large every time if you remember when the students of the School of Forestry were the few ones that Escaped they say they rescued them and it was not rescue Oh, what are we trying to say? Well, we keep it lying about Situation we won't find solution to it Reverend Hedgeup So from my son, I cannot understand who told me who he was going to claim that he rescued him But that's okay, even at the time they want to use we allow them to use it But we know the truth Reverend Hyap, why do you think there are so many abductions in Kaduna State? Well, there are so many abductions in Kaduna State because Kaduna State have actually been governed by propaganda The truth is the truth. Kaduna State for a long has been governed by propaganda. What is happening in Kaduna is that So Kaduna State has been governed by propaganda. You don't fight insecurity by propaganda You fight insecurity by propaganda Since we are trying to fight insecurity by propaganda, then the reality will have to come And we cry out and say that people have been kidnapped, people have been taken away We attack names, the fact is that they attacked us Today, everybody can see that what we were crying about few years ago was in reality If government had taken action at that time, we possibly wouldn't have been where we are today So if you ask me why Kaduna State has been attacked, honestly it is just to prove that we have just been governed by propaganda Because our government seems not to have any idea or clue of what to do But because they have some preface to themselves, so they will be telling stories that are not true Clearly, our reality is for sure. What they are saying is not true Yeah, clearly the impact of these on education cannot be overemphasized Already some schools have been shut down as a result of this Now as a Christian leader, an affected parent, and one who is in the midst of affected persons What do you think is the solution to this home menace? Yeah, before I just talk about the solution, I need to talk about the impact You see there are many things this is kidnapping, this crossing among the people Number one, it is impoverishing the people, it is creating unnecessary fear Among the people that the people cannot understand and plan and think And apart from that, it is affecting the education of our community And it is actually also creating division, wider division among the people That the government supposed to unite by signaling kidnapping has further divided us But when you ask about the way out, the truth about it is that if we want to address this Then we must see this as a Kaduna State problem All of us, inclusive, working together with young men, young women, women, men Clear it, everybody, to find solutions to this You don't go to hospital and lie to your doctor about your sickness And you think you are going to be beaten, you will not What solution do you think? Reverend Hayab, talking about solution, let's be a little bit more specific What solution comes to your mind? See, there is no enemy that can defeat a united community But an enemy can defeat it as strong as the community may be if they are divided Kaduna is living in a serious division in the last few years Unless we unite Kaduna and we come on as a united Kaduna people To tell the bandit that our state belongs to us, you cannot take over our state The bandit will continue to hate us, dividing us Because our government has successfully divided us and divided us And having a few days, the fact is that when the bandit strikes, instead of the government to go after the bandit The government comes after our citizens So the bandit are thinking that the government is in support of what they are doing And they are having a few days saying what they want to do, what they want to do So we want first a united Kaduna, so that we can fight the enemy of Kaduna But the divided Kaduna will only give strength for the bandit to continue to strike A lawmaker just advocated that Nigerians should be allowed to carry arms to protect themselves Do you share that view? The truth about it is that the situation has reached where we should allow everybody to carry arms We've talked about self-defense a lot And sometimes when you mention self-defense, they think that you've gathered with one and you're asking for a war No, self-defense is natural, self-defense is constitutional Self-defense is right, so there is nothing wrong with it If a full animal would be carrying guns or a naked 47, terror-prisoned fellow citizen Why should justice not also have it? We want that Thank you Thank you so much, Reverend John Hayab, for your time and insight And thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us Congratulations on the release of your son And we hope that the remaining children will be set free so they can join their parents at home Thank you so much Thank you so much I pray I don't walk together with the parents like that Thank you very much Don't forget to hit the notification button to get notified about new updates