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See you there man, you know We've we've done a lot of interviews We've we've interviewed a lot of different People that that basically make make people smile make people cry make people laugh, you know change your life This guy right here, you know, we me and you sit back and watch a lot of his movies We've seen some things and and and some things that happen on his movies that you don't see everywhere Where when it comes down to you know, real thing things that can change one's life, man This guy right here man. He don't need no introduction man. He actually a local, you know This guy here my wife say you got to interview him. Ain't no way you can have boss talk 101 and don't interview mr. M Legend Brown man. Thank you so much. I appreciate you guys having me. There you go, man Hey, man, mr. M. Legend Brown is in the building We about to get into it this guy right here has a lot of Nuggets that he about to drop on you if you listening and your ears is not poking up yet. Just wait, you know Mr. Brown mr. M. Legend Brown about to Tell you some things that can help you Tell you some things that he been through and I'm gonna tie me in cuz I'm I got a little something to say So is legend your middle name or you just made up that whole name. I made up that whole name call out to LA and Try to get actors to come and work in Dallas and they'd be like Don't nobody work in Dallas. They don't shoot movies in Dallas. And so They eventually get passed out and they said well, we look you up and we can't find you So this I was your name before that I'm Michael Brown. Okay, and So this lady told me one time she she was very she's a lot of Explanation points when she was telling me this she said will you tell them to Google you and then change your name? And then and so I was watching Something with M. Night Shyamalan. I was like, hmm And so I started grooving and there was no other M plus something and then I was watching I am legend and I was like, huh M legend and of course brown your last name Yes, and then it just kind of stuck and I was thinking nobody's gonna call you that No, that's a long name and what every time I heard it I'm like, okay Maybe M is his first name and legend is just you know, he put that in there might be his middle name people do name their kids legend and So I was wasn't sure if that was your you know, no, and then I was trying to Trying to try to inspire myself to be great. You know, I mean, that's the reason I picked the legend It's because I like it you're trying to be great. I like it And it's kind of like my company is poor child film and people used to beat me up so much about that Oh, you speaking you speaking? Negativity on your company's name. You're done. I'm like, no, I come from a very very poor place And I never want to forget. I never want to get big head. I never want to walk around like I'm somebody I want to remember that No matter how much success I have I come from a humble beginning and I always wanted to remember that Him legend brown, you know, I came up with my name. Let me just say that People call me E, you know from back in the days and I just always was dealing with money So I decided to be the C money CEO E ceo okay all because they messed my cards up And they end up putting e ceo smell if I say, you know, what? So were you born and raised in Tarot, Texas? No, I'm actually we were born in West Dallas West Dallas really? Yeah, yeah, my mom My mom decided after I turned three years old. She was gonna move me and Kathy my sister We were moving down with my family that lives in Rockwall So I lived on the borderline of Rockwall in Tarot So if we walked on this side of the house Up on this side of the house we were in Tarot. That's 205. Is that 205? Okay, so so you don't remember nothing about West Dallas I'm not even gonna ask you about nobody in West Dallas because you left at three years old So you say you moved with your mom so where was your dad during this time? Never knew my dad at all ever never met it. Do you know his name? Don't even know his name My mom wouldn't tell me his name Does she know who he is? She knows who he is the birth certificate. I check this out my birth certificate says Johnny Taylor Hey Johnny Yeah, she wouldn't tell me and then it's like you know I didn't because you can put as a female. Can you put us anybody's name on there? I don't know And it's been a big secret like every people have known in my family, but they would never tell me I was about to say grandma auntie somebody you must have asked and I had a one uncle that was gonna Tell me he passed So I'm like, what is the big secret? You know, I think that would make you more curious You know for a while it did I all my stories when I was writing short films or stemmed off I had a story called why do I look like my father? You know how you go around to people saying oh you look just like your dad and you like You don't even know tell what you that yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so everybody knew who he was but You know, maybe so in my mind That's what I was a rapist something that they're trying not for you to fall in that footsteps so to say, right? I don't know something. That's crazy. Yeah, but um Father wanted to jump into that your children. See you got a father Mm-hmm. You always got a father of course the real true father the spiritual father That's the father that matters the most. Yes to be honest with you when you tap into God You understand who your father really is. This is my beloved son who I'm very well, please That's it. That's it. You see what I'm saying? That's the good part I'm not being taunted with all he just like your daddy daddy with this or daddy was that God can always step in that thing and boom No, but you know the sorry go ahead. Even if you think about it spiritually after what we didn't hear about Joseph Mm-hmm Even at the cross, you know, so I know, you know, I never really only thing I wanted to know was that my History of That's exactly that's the reason why I always ask these questions and I always tell women I said don't stop your kids from trying to be a part of their father's life Understand, there's some dead beat dads out there who don't want to have nothing to do with the kids And all depends on so many different situations. He could have had another family wise kids, whatever But then in that case you want to make sure your son not dating his sister, right? You know, so there's a lot of different things you want to make sure Reason why you'd want them to know that side of the family, you know Medical issues is number one because then when you go to the doctor and say, okay Is there such and such on your mom's side? Is there such and such on your dad's side? You can't he's like, I don't know You know what I mean, and I don't know what traits gonna hit me or am I gonna exactly and in today's society Doctors do not check for everything before time is when all of a sudden you were hurting Then that's when and that's the terrible thing about the medical industry right now They don't pre-check unless you just request requested. Well, I have to do your work. Let me get in there again By his stripes You are healed come on man. He took 39 lashes set point for your health So he dives right back into the same situation and corrects it for you again. It's all about how you feel from your Spiritual standpoint to understand how to overcome anything that you're going through in the flesh Mm-hmm, and I know y'all don't want to hear me talk about this every time But I always got a something to say even when you bring your counselors in here Well, because Jesus is my counselor, so I think I think a lot of times we just we we get caught up in the flesh And and you know it says something about the eyes, you know You know when you start to look at these things you let these things overtake who you are spiritually in God But who you are really is who I can't see and that's that spirit man. I See you outside, but it's that spirit man. That's way more important than the physicality could ever be Because without it you wouldn't even be able to talk right right? That's all I'm gonna get back go ahead keep going Well, let me ask you a question. Oh me. Yes you oh, man But you know how God gives us all different talents. Mm-hmm some doc some doctors have the talent to heal people through yes medicine and so forth and some even do it through prayer if they believe so You don't think that's warranted or needed. Let me just say this There was a woman in the Bible day She had been sick for so very long the doctor did all they could and the medicine was no good Okay, she she had been bleeding for 12 long years And and she had went to every physician she could she had exhausted all her resources and when he came down to it she Seen Jesus passing by and she said but if I could just touch the hymn of his garment I know I'll be made whole right now So she goes and she fights through and she gets down low and she grabbed that hymn and she's healed Why am I saying that I'm saying when you have exhausted all your resources? You will go to God. I do agree with that. You understand what I'm saying You may get healed somewhat, but you still if you don't go to God, you won't get a full healing anyway I'm giving you the this is the truth from my the way I believe you can go and get All these band-aids on your issue But when it come down to true healing you will never ever experience it until you locked into God That's how I believe mm-hmm, but I don't know how everybody's believe I just know that's how I feel about it and it's been that way for many many years now because I just don't think that We give God enough Respect and that's fear and God reverence when it come down to help reverence when it come down to counseling Reverence when it come down to different things in life We got to get better at that and I was screaming at the top of my lungs until I to this podcast goes away Because I know I've had all these you know people to sit in that chair Mm-hmm, and they don't know the word they don't even know it and then they'll tell you it ain't true It ain't even read it You understand what I'm saying? So I have to stand in the gap for what I know God to be true in my life And so I'm not gonna play with them right when it come down to what I believe in right does that make sense I don't because they don't read it They don't even know it but they'll challenge it and I suppose it and just take that when God didn't already gifted me to understand his word I'm not gonna play like that That's some real talk. That's real talk. So when you say whatever you say, I got something for you We he brought up Joseph not me here So when we go in there, you can't be lukewarm anyway 316 revelations that mean you a little bit over here and a little bit over there When it come down to your belief system, you got to be all the way in you got told this run and that does that I was checking to see about the medical part I was just checking about a medical part, but you did answer you say yes You go to them first or you go to them you go to them and but you still need this as well You know Luke was a physician Okay, he was following Jesus You understand what I'm saying he was with him when when Luke was he there when when Peter's wife a Mother-in-law had to hear they the disciples What I'm saying is right? He was there on these instances when Jesus may be doing all these healings with gyros his daughter or dealing with these different situations. Mm-hmm all I'm saying is when he called Lazarus from the dead in John Chapter 11 when he called me say Lazarus come forth They was there all these different whatever you want to call it all I'm saying is we have to do like Jesus We got to depend on the power of God To change our circumstance situation I can go all day with that kind of stuff because it's just what I believe in right right and I and that's true And I think you get certain gifts to help people in certain ways I agree with that too, you know and when we talk about the lady with the issue of blood Her faith had to be strong had to be I agree with that because what if she could touch the garment all day long without the faith Everybody was bumping into him according to Peter Neil, but he only felt her that's right He knew when she touched him because the faith was so strong and that's where when I talked to people I said when you in this business you got to have faith because you know I said I'm with a producer one time and you know, I was on this quest. How do you get money? How do you get money? How do you get money for films? He said man, Mike, I'm just gonna sit down and tell you I get a whatever God give me I go do the best I can with it and I start on it and I challenge him to give me the rest What how does that work? What do you mean you challenge God? You know nobody challenge God I go to work and I tell everybody on the set that God gonna give me the rest of the money and he said before we finish We we we have the money. Hmm. His name was Tim Grace. Wow. I took that and ran with it Every time I do a film we pray I start out with whatever somebody give me I say, okay, God You can't make us look like not not me. I'm like you can't make we look like We don't know what we talking about and every time he's he's worked a miracle on set When we shot this other film I did Joe and the Reaper he it rained so hard the day we needed to shoot outside with the ambulance and the fire department and the police and They were calling me. They're like, I don't think we're gonna shoot and my DPs and everybody's like, what are we gonna do Mike? I was like, I don't know when five o'clock come. We'll see what happens. Why did the sky just break? Wow Sun come out we filmed that scene in two hours Soon as I say cut and we go back the rain started back to come in like no months soon I was like everybody's like that always happened on your set. I'm like It happens a lot of places, but you just happen to see it because you so close to the fire And I think when we talk about the disciples There's they were so close to Jesus That they couldn't even believe what they seem Think about the boat, you know, they had to go down and get him out the boat saying what? You gonna let us perish, you know, and then after he does what he does. They say what kind of man is this? Are you that close to the maker and you don't know so that goes to tell us too? Most people can't understand your talent. Most people can't understand your gifts. I don't care how close they are to you They don't understand the gift that God gave you. How can you write stories in two days when it takes me six months? Are you two years? How can you shoot a film in two weeks when it takes me two years just to get the film out? How can you work on 15 dollars when I have to work on 15? $1,000. How do you do that? Well, that's my favor That's my grace Wow So I want to get back into okay, so you lived in Border Rockwall and terror growing up, and I'm sure that this is not what you wanted to do when you were growing up No as a kid and how many y'all siblings how many siblings just me and Kathy really just to wow And your mom did everything by herself Well, yeah her my uncles and I stepped it and I had to step that okay, so she did Okay, okay, so you had male role models in your life. Okay. Awesome. So at what age? Or before we get to what aid tell me about an instant something growing up as a child that you difficulty That you had to overcome as a child growing up in your neighborhood in your area You know every time when you know when you're young you always think that it's the end of the world Like oh my god. I'm going through this No, I thought you could overcome it. See we live so far out in the country There was maybe it maybe was 30 miles before the next house So Kathy's daddy used to what come and get hurt every week And I'd be sitting there bored. No, not bored I'd be sitting there because I didn't have a daddy to come get me And I remember sitting in the window and Kathy be waving by and I'd be just sitting there I'd be boo-hooing crying Cuz I didn't have a daddy to come get me that was probably one of the most Challenging moments in my life and at that moment I made a decision in my life I was like I would never have a kid if I can't be in that kid's life At that point I didn't know that you know life changes and you can you can be in another place and be in this place And still be in your kids life. I thought you had to be married and if I couldn't marry the woman I wasn't gonna have a child And and be there 100% because I didn't want any child to feel like what I felt And so many I've heard that so many times they don't want to be that dad who was absent and Some of them of course, you know couldn't end up being with the mother because of you know, grown-up differences But they everyone I've actually spoken to have been in their kids life, you know traveling being with them taking them with them so forth but I Like that story. Yeah So when did you decide to? branch off into film and How did you do it? Well, see I was always a storyteller and how old were you? To branch in the film 35 that old Isn't that like too late sometimes for some people might think yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty Not going to film school not going to have any formal training, right? Yeah, yeah, it's pretty old But it was at the time when I was I was just so Confused on what I wanted to do and the thing that kept reverting back to me was my writing And people you say, oh man, you write these great stories man. What you gonna do with them? And then I went to see lean on me And I sat there and watch lean on me all for a whole day and everybody in the theater We all sat there. We never move we clapped we cried we cheered we did everything at the same moment And I was like whatever that is That's what I want to do. I want to make people feel that way and then that started me on my quest It took me another two years to start to feel like how I can make films and how I could and I started writing books at the time and My barber would cut my hair. He did he did skips. His name was milkshake. He did skits And so yeah, she's a writer musket. Yeah, he asked me to write him a movie a movie Okay, and then once I wrote it. He said, why don't you direct that? I wrote it like a stage play That's how much I know mm-hmm and we filmed it became a hood classic What's the name of that one against the grand against the great But why did you start writing in the first place that everybody would see your writing and loved it? So why would you I always wrote I always tell stories. I would tell story 100 kids in our yard coming from everywhere and parents dropping them off mama You just sit down and hear you tell stories about a about a character named junior I'll tell stories so much about that character and then you know how you do something so much You don't know that you're doing it when I go back to high school or see some of my old church They wanted to tell him a story. No, they just said man I can't believe you're telling films man used to tell us all these stories all the time Why I told y'all stories Because you you just kind of you're in that zone or you do and you don't really think about what you're doing And so when I left my job, I actually quit I kept praying God And he finally took me off the job And I took my 401k and I met this business partner after who helped me with against the grain We took both our 401ks. We had like $60,000 and we tried to make a film and it just did not work And at that moment I said, you know what? Well, let me back up hold on but you made the film you try to make a film with only people that you knew No, we hired actors. You hired actors. We hired actors. How did you find these actors to hire them through agencies? Oh, you went through agencies and they didn't know anything the actors I didn't know that the actors didn't know nothing and I didn't know nothing So we would hold workshops. We would do everything, but let me back up just a little bit So after I finished against the grain against the grain was like a hood comedy Friday or Master P movie But it just it just took off and but I didn't want to make those movies anymore. I was like, I don't want to make hood classics I want to make movies that inspire and give hope to people So but while we were doing against the grain we could never get it to burn to a DVD And so we tried everything we wake up every morning and go check the computer and it crashed and we'd be mad So we finally took it to this place downtown called Pegasus. It was a it was a community TV station and so they They they they took it in the back they watched it and then they came back out and man They belittled me laughed at me talk crazy to him. He told me they would they ever see a camera in my hand They would knock it out of my hand. They would fight me. They would kill me. It was that bad It was that bad or to them. It was that bad, but you didn't think so. I didn't know So I mean I went to the car at that time. I was playing semi-pro football Man I cried like a baby when I got in the car grab my gun or something going in and kill everybody in that building I can't even look at you as that person and I could not get the door open the door would not open I pulled on the door I tried to bang the break the glass with the gun would not move and then in my rage And after I sat there and I was crying and God said listen Don't ever let anybody else talk to you like that. He says no, I'm not gonna say you gonna make a great movie But go and learn and understand what you're doing. So nobody will ever talk to you like that again So I quit my job. I went to the library. I took two years and read every book in the library about filmmaking and Then I pursued on sets and I did everything else and then two years later. I made a short-call kiss by the devil that same company called me reviewed my film and Said you're the filmmaker of the future Really, I never mentioned who I was that they had told me what they had told me nothing What's it called again kiss? It's called kiss by the devil was about a it was about a son who seen Something that his father had done and he wouldn't tell and so So he was kissed we I called it kiss by the devil. He was kissed by the devil. Well, I think I saw that I didn't see that pop up. Yeah, and I was like So what so you going back and looking at your first movie? Mm-hmm compared to this What was the difference? What did you do better? No, just no What did you do better in this in the second one that you did not do at all in your first one? Cast better understood what I had learned the craft not well me rephrase it ain't learn the craft I hired a DP we had I was shooting the first one. I was doing the makeup in the first one I was doing you're doing the makeup. I was doing everything. I did I learned how to do special effects makeup Oh, wow, because I realized so backing up just a little bit more as a little kid My mom thought I was crazy because my imagination would just be like wow They just be everywhere and I just couldn't control it. So I talked to plants I'd be telling stories to anybody would listen and so she was like crazy She's like we don't like you up in Taylor State Right and so I went to school crying one day and I'll tell him this we had one black teacher at Rockwall High and She told me she miss Epps. She said come here boy. What's wrong with you? Why are you in here crying? So my mama said you gonna lock me up and so miss Epps said come here She said I'm she gave me a yellow notepad and she said write down everything you thinking You gonna come in every hour before school start and write down everything you think it You know black mama gives you to school three hours before the school So I would write that down, but that would only bring my imagination down like 10% Still was going crazy. So she said okay, so she took me to the library She handed me Tom Sawyer and everything just kind of like like the whole world just came into one little small ball So that helped me focus my energy into something that because I would just read book I knew there was a reason you started writing and that's what I was trying to get into earlier Yeah, and I'm thinking that's it's this right. This is where it came from. Yes. Yes And then it got to the point where I could I could write and I still to this day I Can write but I don't know grammar. I don't know punctuation. So I had a teacher miss here She says baby you do what most people can't do. There's there's people who what you can't do There's a hundred of those people but there's a small percentage of people who can do what you can do You can hire people to do what you can't do He said but there's a lot of people that can't write and tell stories and have your imagination like you have She said so don't barge yourself down with with punctuation and grammar you pay people to do that You'll get to a place where you can pay people to do that That kind of helped me and it hurt me at the same time because now I just the grammar just I'm not sending my work to somebody Oh She said you can hire somebody let them do But that's amazing. So, okay, so the second film you did that you had a whole new cast you went through the agency Okay, go ahead. We we got we started shooting and then we just kind of messed up I just didn't I really didn't know what I was doing But we lost both of our 401ks and my my my producer of my business partner He for about five years after that film. He's like man. We shoot game put that film out I said that was just a film class brother, you know, that's what we learned. So I met this DP who just passed about last year he says if you'll do a short film I'll come and shoot it and He says if you can do some short films You'll learn how to do your craft, right? And so I learned to start doing short films and I I was so eager I do one and then the next month I do another one in the next month I do another one because I was just trying to learn I was just it was so exciting every time you did one you learned something more and I got yeah I would fix what I messed up right the first one the second one I was the third one I'd fix what I messed up in the second one and I just kept doing that till I figured out Okay, okay, and I had a little grasp on it and I did not feel to figure out what my Couldn't figure out what my style was till I was Maybe two years ago You know everybody says oh, that's that in legend brown touch and I'm just till two years ago You've been doing this for a minute. Wow, but I still you know, you know when somebody says, okay What is what is it when we watch your film? What is the signature of your film? That's hard for me to tell you what is because I don't know what somebody else watches my film and what they see You know that mean like what is it that you say when you watch it and say oh, that's an mLegend Brown film No, I know out of all of them. It's the it's a touch of God. I think that's more so for me than anything I know that when I'm watching your film and gotta worry about my kids in something that they shouldn't be seeing a lot of that stuff Matters man. I think a lot of time we give way to these These the way of the world so much. We know that that path is narrow We just got to understand and respect it. Mm-hmm God to do the rest but a lot of times we wanted you know, you gotta enjoy where you at man, mm-hmm because That I mean those movies man. Hello, John when he running around When that old boy running around that that was good stuff, right? Because it because one thing I've always talked about was how segregated the the church system is the way and and that pretty much gave me a It kind of confirmed for me how people have split up. That's what the devil uses He uses that for division and people haven't tapped into that yet and you somewhat tapped into it Being that you you know made that look that way. Mm-hmm. It brings a visual to it and then at the end of the day I think I think it's needed. I think people need to know that we can go anywhere and do anything with anybody because we all One body and show the division in the church and it showed a division outside. Yeah, cuz great And that's politics. That's what people say you have politics in the church and it just showed all of that But it showed it always shows coming back to happy ending. It shows the lessons That's what I love is the different lessons that you learn from the end of each individual person that's saying something Say something that's educational as in like a life lesson, right? You know what I mean? And that's what I love about it any of your films Right, I love the love that comes across and of course as he said, you know God in it. I love it Since we started doing this we look at not only the lesson But we look at the quality look at the The audio I mean everything and to me a lot of that is it's perfect You know what I mean? Thank you And I'm sure that you as a perfectionist as you say that you keep going back You're looking even at your most recent film and you'd be like No, I didn't do that. Right. I need to change this. I need to you know But there's no such thing as perfection. We know that right chase it though We chase it, but up to the day you died. There's something we're gonna be like I could have done that better And I think it's artists. That's one of the nuggets. We're gonna say nugget That's one of the nuggets. I think that you teach artists is You can't make a perfect project People spend so much time trying to take out all of the imperfections as humans If we look at our body and we stand in front of a mirror no matter how much we work out no much Always something all we're gonna always see why my ear lobes so big, you know, I mean So sometimes you just got to let an actors have made careers offer their imperfections, you know Look at forest Whitaker his eye, you know Most people think that's that that's what his signature is We see a forest Whitaker and then we see just different imperfections that that are unique uniqueness that make us special So I think every film if you try to get every imperfection out of your film you got to have good sound Good picture and good acting right Everything else will take care of itself exactly, but if you're trying to make sure you got the perfect sound You didn't you that had to start when you first started There's gonna be some time that you just not gonna get the perfect sound. So how long were you doing film? Before you started I want to say because in my eyes hiring bigger actors Like of course the person that I've seen in every single one of your films miss Irma Hall How did you get her and why you continue to use her in each and every single film that you do? You know at Miss Hall. I was at a film festival. It was the Texas Black Film Festival and The first award I ever won and they were giving her a lifetime award. Okay, and it was her It was Robert Townsend. It was a bunch of folks there And me and her got an award at the same time and I had remembered her and I was like Miss Hall I love to work with you one day and she's she just spit out her number. Oh, wow. Call me baby. We'll work I work with independent filmmakers and I asked her for a picture and she was like, okay, get out of my life But she's been like a mentor to me she took me under a wing she says my god sends her a bunch of Michaels And she says you're almost like my son. So when my mama passed last year Or a year before last she said She said I'm I'm still here. I'm your mama. And so she's always been mentoring everywhere I go. She puts me out there She she says, you know, she's talking to if she's talking to somebody who has some Recognition she'll be like, you know legend. I'm like, hey, this your mom. Don't don't put me out there This is your let this your moment. I don't need you to you know, but she's always been that kind that generous I'll give you a brief story of how kind she was So, you know, I'm a grown man 50 years old. I'm getting honored at this big event. I don't have a suit They calling me to say, hey man, we need to confirm you coming to this big gala. I don't have a suit and I'm like, I'm crying I'm booing and I'm crying. She's just having to call me and I'm trying to hide my tears What's wrong with you? I saw my mom I gotta I gotta go to this big event now giving me a achievement award and I don't have a suit and I'm just gonna look crazy up in there. She said baby come see me. So I go see her She slide this money over and she said poopy gonna take you her daughter gonna take you to get you a suit and we went up on red bird I said, no, I'm not doing I'm not taking no money from you. You're on social keep I'm not taking money for you. I Was looking for the hand after I said it cuz I knew what I just Man, she looked at me so cold. She saw you that prideful that you can't take a hand She said that's my blessing. Don't exactly So I you know, I knuckled on and I go I get feed if I'm pounding the whole time I get fitted for the suit They they do the suit and everything I go I get my achievement ward, but what I took that's how she took care of me That's how she She she just always was like no, this is your moment to shine So don't let this don't let this particular thing steal your joy, right? So if somebody else can help you let us help you and that's been in my life All through even the guy that I told you was my DP David Kingston I met David at the one that shot it. He wouldn't even shoot my first film, but he wanted to shoot the He wanted to shoot the Short film David. I was struggling so bad living in this apartment David believed in me so much and he mentored me so much He would put he would give me movies and DVDs and he be calm It's mad. Have you read them books and I used to read I'd read everything he sent me But this one day I was so tired and I just couldn't I was so depressed I was hungry my stomach hurt and I just couldn't focus He said if you read them books, you didn't call me cuz I would call him the next day and say yeah, man Let's talk about this book. Let's talk about this book. I said now David. I haven't if you watch the movies I said now David. I can't I said man. I'm just I just don't feel good today He said I would call me when you watch him and I was like, man Let me just read this cuz I always read the book. That was a hundred dollars in each Ten page chapter of the book. That was a hundred dollars in each ten DVDs I just didn't cry like a baby, but God has always put people and I always thought Am I that? There was a movie like that where somebody hid money in a book. I was like am I that Dependent that people have to do that for me right and again, that's pride, right? Yeah, and I was like, okay God, okay There is always somebody in your life that helps you. It's whether you see it or not Yeah, that's helping you move forward right at another guy named doc He's to help me so much man, and he'd come he said come by the office Mike I got something for you and I'm thinking he got he's to teach karate to help my actors run karate and One day I went up there and I sat there for about 30 minutes and he didn't show up and then I left and then he Called me says man, you all right cuz you I could set my clock about a time You gonna be there you say you gonna be there you gonna be there so I could set my clock by that time I said man doc, I waited you on 30 minutes. I had to go home and he's now come back And then he would you know slide money my way and I was like come on doc I ain't gotta do this. He said shut up. I'll put you in a chokehold I like but it's always been that in my life even when I did my first feature film hiding in plain sight I Did it as a short cuz I ran into a family that was homeless and they told me that story It impacted me so much I was like I got to do this story and I had told people that I wasn't doing the more short film I said I'm not doing another short film. I'm moving on cuz I'd read a book that only black men Do 10 12 short films? They never do feature film. Really? So I said, okay, well, I'm not doing any more short films I'm doing a feature and So when they told me that story I Called my producers and I said listen I got to tell this story and it's gonna be a short film and like I'm like we ain't telling them on short films We ain't telling them a short film and so I told them the story And they were like, oh, okay, and then I went to the guy that would give me all my equipment I said listen, I'd like for you to shoot this film I said it's a short film. It won't be a good. He said nope not doing a short film. Mike. I'm not no I'm done. I don't do short films in the story. I told him the story. He says I'm in It was that good. We wound up Shooting it I get into the editing bay and I said this is too much. This is this is I can't even do this Story justice as a short film. What's the name of this movie hiding in plain sight? Oh hiding in plain sight, okay? And so I go home and I'm talking to my uncles now my uncle was a very practical you go to school You get a job you blah blah blah and they know all this filmmaking stuff. No, we don't do that. We raise cattle We all got jobs. We this is what we do so when I told them and Just me tell them they was like, you know, I didn't tell them story I told them what what was going on with me and they was like, so it's so what is that to do Well, how do you have to do it as a feature? Right? I said well, I need at least $20,000 to do it as a feature. They're like, okay, we got you I was like what? Yeah, we got you now. I was like, so we got the money. We went made this film So you change it from the short film to a feature film feature film and we got distribution right out the door Which is unheard of why the lady called me who was a sales rep for me She says I cried when I just watched the trailer. I want to represent this film So you sent it out to them or are you just had it out and they saw it one of the actors on the film Had a new a lady that worked for a distribution E1 and Bridgestone and all those guys and so she sent it to he sent it to her and she was just like Yeah, I got a service. God's convicted me to sell this and We sold it. We had forever Jones do some music on it. It was just It was like a perfect storm and then and then we did Steps of faith right after that. That's when I hired Malik and Christie fairs. I hadn't met Malik So you reached out. That's what I was saying. How did you get Malik? Leak was I was I did a short film that we kissed by the devil that we screamed out in LA and So we after-party it just I it was at a bar They were dancing and I just just wasn't celebrating I was sitting by myself and Malik came over and we just had like a Two-hour conversation and he gave me his number and then when I came up with I was trying to do another film called a miracle for Haven and Still to this day can't can I get that film? I get a lot of people a lot of companies Interested and then we just never get the trigger pull. So when I did steps of faith I was like, Malik, would you be interested in this? He read the script call me back in two hours I love that about like actors that do that if I seen your script and you call me back the next day I'm like, yes We are in a couple hours. I'm like, yes, you read the script. You like the script and we just went on to make that journey and then I hired Christy and Christy helped me get Ted Lange and Tracy Ross and it just kind of worked out and then from there we would just always From there I would reach out to other people and say, hey, do you know this person? Hey, do you like when we got uh miss uh Oh, man, I can't think of name. She's in uh, she's in uh This hit series on uh On a Nigerian hit series on uh On abc right now over Shala and bob. Okay. I don't know her name. Okay. She's uh, you know her when she's in a bunch of commercials right now That's how I got her. I called Ted Lange and I said, hey, could you help me get miss Watson for nay Watson? She was the fresh prince mom Yeah, yeah, so I was like And she was like, yeah, she'll call her and she's waiting on your call right now and I called and she's like, yeah Okay, and then we talked it out and she came and worked and then from there. I would just meet people through other people How did you meet Carl Payne? Uh Tommy Ford So I had met Tommy Ford at a film festival And we became really good friends and then He introduced me to call along with Malik. Okay, so you met them at around the same time? Yeah, and so they all and then me and call just kind of Talked and he told me, you know, he don't want to just do the the cockroach thing or the or the morning You know the cold on morning I got some chops and I was like, man, I'm that's what I'm looking for. I'm not looking for the stereotype character And that's so hard for um A lot of actors to me when I see some actors, you know, like, where are they now? They get this huge role when they were younger And it's like when everybody see that person, that's all they can think of. Um I heard him on a podcast. It was um the guy on jamey fox show. Um What's his name again? Just I caught him the stuck up one. What's his name again? Carlton Yeah, I don't know his name. What's his real name? That's kind of different. I don't know his real name, but With him I heard him on another podcast and he was like he hates it He hates to walk down the road and everybody's calling him by that name because it's hard for him to you even went into a an audition Did audition the way how it was supposed to it wasn't even that type of character And the people who were sitting there They called him by that name, right and to him he was like that's such disrespectful That's you know, that's not what he's here for right, right So, you know in uh, my cap says that problem But I think some people embrace it and some people don't like I remember bringing caramelina white to town And I just kept apologizing because everywhere we go people would stop and ask for an autograph or something I'm like Karen. I'm so sorry. I'm just she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa She said this is this is what I do right and I was like, okay Malik's the same way. I remember when I first hired Malik and this big studio company told me it was like Man, don't nobody know who he is So he came down to work on steps of faith and we went to razu's That was literally 300 people standing in line waiting for his autograph They were still in the napkins from from the restaurant The restaurant manager came over and said, I'm sorry. I don't know who you are But we're gonna comp your meal I'm so sorry And I want I sent that whole video to the studio and I was like, don't nobody know who he was who he is Wow, I want to go back to so I'm gonna go back to uh, Tommy Ford You know his past and and just the time that you know, I seen especially that they did on him and His his relationship with god and just being a stand-up guy You you've seen him in the you couldn't really get a chest of who he really was in the martin show for me After he passed away You start seeing what they said about him and it shaped his character in a way that it was just showing how How he was always there for everybody and it's just funny that you would say that he hooked you up with Carl, you know because That's what I've seen in in in his character when they started to speak on him on that martin special and other specials I've seen why they brought him up I talked to him the day before he passed wow so sad because He was telling me he had just had double knee surgery Wow, and he said Mike He said I don't know how i'm holding up all his ass with these knees is killing me And we had a conversation. He said I want to go see my kids. Wow That one of them was down in florida. He said He said but it's the holidays and they don't want they said they're just gonna come up for christmas man and Then I got then I seen the news the next day and I was like there's no way I just talked to this dude, man So he didn't didn't didn't seem like it He seemed fine. We were laughing on the phone. We were having a good time And next thing you know, I'm like that it cannot be true. Wait a minute. So you say in a day before the day before Didn't they say what he passed from Blood clots blood clots, but the day before and that's the same thing I think a heavy D passed from when he was on the airplane But a day before you speak to tom before and the next thing you know He's passed away and that's the we you know running spins the car one day you hear the next day you're gone, you know You can't take life for granted. No, no and you got to understand that time is is but a vapor Yes, so you got it. You got to enjoy life while you got an opportunity Tom he definitely was a special guy that I enjoyed the heck out of yeah He was the first guy to ever To another guy. I love you man that I knew of yeah, he would say that again He was the first guy to do what say I love you to another guy to another guy. He's make I love you Wow in the conversation. That's how you ended every conversation And I was like, I love you too, bro. You know, you know as guy Yeah, yeah, yeah, but now what you got used to it Yeah, and now I do it with everybody me and my league. Hey, bro. I love you man Just checking on you want to see how you're doing in memory. Tell me for yeah Yeah, I do that with everybody man. I because we don't live long enough You know to we get so caught up in our own world Yeah, and think we Think this this is macho. This ain't macho. This is this is corny. This ain't corny. I call my friends sometimes say man I'm doing a wellness check. Come on. Tell me how you doing financially mentally and physically It's just like um, even with what you what you said about that situation when you think about You know when you when you said that you know, the kids will come for the holidays It just makes me feel like, you know Stop putting off things for tomorrow. You don't know tomorrow is going to ever come And we interviewed columbus short and he was talking about a passing of twitch and how people, you know Need to be available for their friends for people that they know because you don't know what another person is going through And even although they might not even tell you their business But it's good for you to just do that wellness check Call people check in no matter how busy you say you are That's one thing I hate when people send me or I was busy I bet you the right caller right person came along you would drop everything you're doing for that moment in time Because you don't want to live this life to be like I wish I could because he even told us about a story about what's the gentleman name something lee that passed away previously babe uh Jet lee jet jet. Yeah, he's also another actor. He said when he was um younger and there were really good friends and he was calling columbus Like back to back to back to back But columbus was going through something himself and he's like man. I called him back I ain't don't even answer it the next day found that He had died So he's like man if twitch had just called me After that point he never did that again if his phone rings He's going to answer it because he don't know what that person might need I used to have this thing like i'm like why am I the only person calling everybody every time I used to feel that way Now I don't i'm like i'm calling my friends. I'm talking to him. I'm speaking to him I don't care You know what I mean if i'm gonna be the one that's calling then it's just gonna be me But i'm gonna check on my friends because If I talk to you enough if I spend time with you enough, I'll know when you're going through something I'll know when you off me and my best friend. He called. I called him yesterday. He said man. You was in my spirit Uh, I just want to check on you. He get all in this feeling. What were you doing wishing something bad on me? What's what you mean? I said, whoa, whoa, whoa I said listen, I just said it just has but I don't know why you call that's I don't know what that is I said, well, you know what maybe you you're on something right now. I'm gonna give you a minute I'm gonna call you back But that has nothing to do with me I did what I was I did what my heart said to do right, you know what i'm saying sometimes we think Okay, well, then, you know, I shouldn't do that because this is the last response I got no God places stuff in your heart for a reason and then you should act on that reason man I'm a pee haul Soul food y'all didn't get to you know, that's why I seen her come off soul food and boom She was working with you. I'm being real. That's how it looked to me. Am I tripping or it kind of seemed like just Cleared on in there. Okay there. Okay now. I see what she had. I kind of followed because that was a big Uh, uh, film that was a that was a huge film and and I think uh to see her over there was uh To see her working with you after that was just a breath of fresh air So thank you very much for that and thank you guys both for uh, uh, you know, uh hanging out with me You know in the family and she reminds me. Oh, you know, she reminds me No, not in haddie. She reminds me of assista lee tyson in the tyler parry movies That's another like like tyler parry move. What do you think about tyler parry movies? Do you have you why you watched him from the very beginning and see how he How his uh, how his family is and and how the success that he's come up on how what do you think? Give me your give me your, uh opinion on tyler You know what I think tyler tyler came in a time when we needed Films to be told of that genre and that and I know a lot of people beat him up and say oh he making these Chitlin type films But we go to we mama hall said at the best. She said well, we go to we go to comedy clubs and that's what they're doing We don't make no big deal about that. They telling the same jokes. He telling they telling stuff that's happening in our world But when tyler do it now they now we worried about what other people think about what we look like She said so I'm a fan of him I think his business model is brilliant and I think madilla was in the time that everybody needed madilla And and and and we can't criticize But what what tyler did and tyler's going to get some respect for this tyler spiked the moves sparked the movement in the late 2000s avid diverney The guy that did creed what's his name uh and black No, the director We got a lot of directors because People were talking about tyler and then everybody said well shut up and stop talking about tyler and then go make your own movies And then we we got a lot of directors that came out of that move after that Tasha smith and all these other other directors because of tyler No matter what you think of his movies You either said I like his movies. I don't like his movie And then guess what? You went out and made your own movies. Wow. Do you what do you think? What do you say to uh spike least was pretty critical toward him in instances? I think spike was a dinosaur at the time. He had never seen nothing like that before So he basically couldn't couldn't relate. Well, you got to realize they from two different worlds You got uh tyler perry from uh down in new orleans and you got him That's way up from the east coast in new york And and I think that just the cultural heuristic differences also makes a difference in it And we hadn't seen nothing like that before we don't see no black man that own his own studio So if you've been doing this for 30 years 40 years I think you get rubbed the wrong way when somebody come in and do what you hadn't did I made enough money where he can buy that much land to create this huge That's not just a It's a yeah, it's a real studio. It's a real studio. There ain't a corner down on 42nd and and 43rd It's a whole yeah, I went down there and look military base And then the play with so but we had never seen nothing like that before so then then you get in your feelings when somebody says Well, tyler's dead perry got a studio Messed him up and shout out that boy spike leave me. He wanted one of the dopest direct He wanted to dope his uh produces as well directors Oh man, he's one of the one of the greats the og and that's why he had something to say because he Feel like he is the og and he can say that Yes, he can it's like your uncle coming to say something don't always mean he's right But he said what he felt and we know in our family we got people who say what they feel It might not but he came back and made it right didn't he come down when when spike when he opened it He had didn't he have spike leave pictures and everything up in there But I mean spike made it right. Yeah, he eventually made it right made it right, you know And and that's what we have to do. We don't always have to be we don't always have to agree But we do have to come back and make it right We have to ask for forgiveness be that bigger person. Yes What I wanted to get into was um steps of faith You did that movie and now you come out with these episodes What's the change between making movies all the time because I know it's not only you I see a lot of people right now. I don't know if it's a it's a thing But everybody's doing episodes nowadays. What is that shift from film to? Episodes, um, I think it's just evolution I think it's evolution. I got called by peer flicks to do steps of faith as a series. Oh, so I didn't I wasn't looking to do a series. They just called me and said hey Mike We got an idea. What do you think about it? Don't shut us down yet. Let us tell you the idea And then we wind up doing steps of faith as a series and they We're we're waiting on green light. We're close. We were green. We're just waiting on the light For the second series. Okay. Is it what's the difference between doing series and just doing a full-blown movie? You get time longer time to develop the characters You get you got one two-hour film to tell you who this character is And on a series you might have 100 episodes and people like that character don't like that character You think about uh good times. Florida and James never changed Uh fred sanford fred never changed, but we liked that character and who he was so to go back to piggyback off a question You asked me was Why do I use mama hall all the time? It was something john wane said john wane says if we like omo in a movie Why do I have to change his name? Why can't he just be omo in every movie because we like omo? So Mama hall represented what I thought I'm in my stories I always want the person to have a best friend because I think that's a lost art And I think there's always a voice of reason that we should have in our community And I always wanted that to be Miss hall. She's always been that voice of reason or that voice of wisdom Coming in to a story that I'm trying to tell to make something To hit a point or to make a point or to because if you hear it from her then you're thinking oh, well That's like my grandma was saying right right So which ones you make more money off of the episodes or the movie? Because in my mind, I would think the episodes I got I got paid to do the episodes. Okay, so yes, they they definitely they definitely have uh Made more and they will make more over time Yeah, because when I think about 50 cents and how he's doing His shows and I can't stand you 50 cents because you take so long to bring out in second season third season and stuff like that And it needs to just come back to back to back for us viewers. So stop doing that. Okay Anyway, so what do you think about his shows and before I get into that? Oh no, answer that one. I had like three questions at once. No, I you know, I think 50 50's doing man. I love the work. He's doing. I love the artistry. He's doing uh, I think the stories that he's telling are are They they they helped in the movement again. That's the tile of Perry movement You don't get a 50 cents before tile of Perry You know what I mean before people said people where our people got fed up I don't think anybody else was fed up with Tyler. We were the ones that was had a problem with Tyler And so by having a problem with Tyler, we get the 50 senses of the world We get the Ava DuVernay's of uh, and we get the just the plethora of directors the creeds and uh, Ryan Krugler We get that we get those guys coming out of that movement now. We got Cedric the entertainer He's doing uh, he's got a bunch of shows out. You know, yeah Um, he's got uh on bounce. He's got that the johnson's on bounce He's got you know, his show the neighborhood and then he's got another show that just came out that girl I think okay on uh bounce. So we got we got these guys developing and producing Tasha's directing, you know what I mean? So we got a lot kim fields is directing. So we got all these Products from from that situation. Yeah, so why did you choose pure flicks to put your film out when you have Netflix you have Hulu you have all these different platforms so When I came out and I started doing the faith based Movies there wasn't a lot of platforms that take those movies and pure flicks just happened to have god is not dead blew them up And they started their own what they considered the the christian version of netflix. Okay, so Netflix was only picking up If you understand the history of netflix netflix broke its back off of independent filmmakers Then they isolated the independent filmmakers So to get on netflix you almost have to have what they consider Don't their guidelines are so strict the camera. You have to use the writing the actors It's just and then pure flicks was like, hey, we're looking for content and we like what you're doing And so that became a partnership with me along with tv in and positive tv and To be oh, you're on to be as well. Okay. Yeah, amazon Because I always just go to pure flicks to find your films. Yeah, you can find them anywhere. You can find them on amazon youtube you know You know, they're screening right now on Byron allen's network they're screening on On um tv in they're screening on positive. They're screening on So you put your film out to all these different platforms or do they reach out to you to get I have a distributor. Okay. Wow Man him legend brown man. We definitely appreciate you. Could you give me your top three? um movies of all times Top three no more three of all time. This is your mind Number one number one Wow, and I can't even get space here. Oh man Never really thought about it like that. I had some movies that were Uh, 10 commandments has got to be one of them, man. Okay. That's just brilliant. Uh, number two John singleton's uh Um Four brothers Love the way you talk that story. Which one of the 10 commander? You know, if you pull up 10 commandments, you have a million 10 commands with Charleston hits. Okay Yeah, uh And number three would be michael man's heat. Wow. Why? Because just the way he told it was so breathtaking the way he told that the way the characters jumped off the screen It was like a phenomenon at the time. I see and that's that influence. He influenced me a lot With filmmaking, you know, and I gotta take that back I gotta take heat out of there and I gotta put it's a wonderful life It's a wonderful life was a powerful movie for me because we've seen it. I watch it every christmas religiously Let me ask you something else. Um if you could work with any actor, um Any actor or actress or actress, um, who would it be and why? Any actor and then let me say this I hate when people do that. I'm sorry Actor and actress actor is a is a is a performer. It's not a gender. So anyway I like that. Thank you so much. Thank you for clarifying that. Thank you, jesus I'm just so sick of every time a woman and a man come on here It's uh, it's a one-up and I think america's done that to our people man We gotta stop We gotta change the narrative and be cool with just being who we are and accepting each other so much more I think so but if that's the case why even come up with a name actress then who came up with that the level I'm just messing with we know It's it just becomes a gender thing because that's who we are Denzel washington denzel washington. Yeah, I gotta work with zeal. It's up. It's over. Did you like hentwan fishery? That was his first movie director or he produced it or directed. I don't know if it's first directorial though Yeah, I think it was you don't think so. I think they made a big deal out of that It did but I think it was something else though. Okay Yeah, yeah, I think well like plays but yeah Uh, no, yeah hentwan fishery was the movie man. I studied that movie. I broke that movie down piece by piece by piece and so Yeah, if I had to work I almost had a chance to meet zeal really it was out in la at the at the magic johnson theater we would do it was the uh Oh my goodness. It's uh black film festival. That's out in la every year. Oh my goodness I can't believe I can't think of it. So we go out to eat. We go to roscoe's waffles and chicken And one of my friends and then she's like might where you at where you at denzel sitting in this room by himself and nobody's in here And where you at I can get you in here right now. I was like, oh, you got to be Halfway across town We were so far away and he was getting ready to do the uh guest speaker. Okay, so I was like, why did I go eat? Because I was hungry It's kind of like when and mama hall was there. So she got all the fluff. I met bologna from good times miss uh Why can't I think of a real name? Oh my goodness? I'm like you guys I hate to call people But that's what we grew up as right exactly met venice bill callaway I met a bunch of people that night, but I really would have liked to met zeal and I remember Just kicking myself in the head for that. I was like It's gonna be if it's meant it's gonna come right back around again zeal Where my camera right zeal Come work with me, baby Would you do any films that's not christian based? So let me say this because this is where I think another scenario is I am a filmmaker who happens to be christian I'm not a christian filmmaker and what I mean by that is No matter what film you give me and what film I do my christian beliefs will always be embedded in that film So if you ask me to tell a story and it's a vampire killing a bunch of vampires Somewhere in there my beliefs are gonna be Something I'm talking about god something in there some way he's gonna be convicted and he's gonna display some evidence of faith belief Conviction so that's who I am. I'm a christian by enter nature. I'm not a christian filmmaker So if you if you tell me if you give me a story You're asking a christian to tell a story And he's gonna put his because everything is poured out of me. So that's what I he does the reason why I set up because the majority of your film seems to be That way that's the reason why because when I moved home I used to do dark films and I used to have My camera guys and they'd be like, oh micah. We so tired of crying every time we do a film Can we do something light and happy and I was like, no, this is where we impact the world I was on that And so I go home. I moved back home God moved me back home And I'm go home and I'm sitting there watching tv and my uncle never watching retro That was before we even knew what it was called. It was called retro tv Hawaii 5-0 and gun smoke and on this one channel and I was like, what is this? And then I went to research and it was one of the most popular stations in the metro place You from terro, texas Eric bishop aka jamie fox is from terro, texas Just want to know, you know, like when you look at him coming from the same area that you have been Now filming in a lot of your films are being filmed down there His his street jamie fox street that they changed it to that was I think it was Bradshaw before that At any rate, uh, when you when I say jamie fox What comes to mind? very talented very talented individual Not just actor. He's just very talented And someone that I would love jamie love the work with you. Mr. Bishop After you work with den jail jamie, I'm gonna say that You seen that the boy right there that by your house won't even act right. Yeah. Yeah. That's us man. You know us uh He's inspired He's inspired I think everybody from that community and I think he inspires people all over the world by what he does He's now going into the directing and producing side. Okay, so to see You know to see him not just level out as an actor and a singer But keep pushing and putting people on and And you know people like well, he's putting everybody else on he's putting musicians on why he don't put you on How am I say man god time and it's god's timing. Do you think that uh, terro? shows him the respect that that he deserved because I remember one time there was an issue that they had That that that some kind of tractor was on the newspaper And they put a big picture of the tractor and a small picture of jamie fox and then the next thing You know, there's billboards out by the highway to kind of compensate for what had happened um, do you think terro texas Gives him the respect that he deserves as a that's the biggest thing not only in Terrell but the biggest thing in texas and maybe the biggest thing one of the biggest things that happens in california I think they do now Yeah, I think at first they didn't and I benefit from some of that Okay, I benefit from that in obama when they didn't put obama on the front page of the newspaper So I benefit from I benefited when I first got to tell from some of that because I was I was coming in the time when they were trying to save face and trying to to uh Clean it up clean it up or or just make it right. I think they were trying to make it right I know I thought they they probably It was probably in hindsight, you know, we all make mistakes. We all make dumb decisions We all I'm not saying that terrell made a dumb decision I'm just saying we all make decisions that we regret in the heat of the moment And I think they they made a decision that they didn't know the gratitude the magnitude of And then when they started shutting down the newspaper and They you know people just wouldn't buy things then they go. Oh wow, this was maybe this was bigger We didn't know it was this big, you know the man won an Oscar. I mean, I don't know what you know what I mean so You know you you you I just think they just didn't see they didn't give it the they didn't know how big he was I don't even know if they knew what he was doing Yes, okay, you know what I mean, so they was just like he's an actor. Okay. He's been on a bunch of shows Okay, he's a musician. Okay. Let's just put him in the paper Isn't it amazing how on the jamie fox show and everywhere that he get an opportunity to do on the stage and comedy He always left up taro texas He won't and and we so quick to say oh, we live in dallas just because we live in taro But this jamie fox aka eric bishop is the type of guy that always would say taro texas And I think that was real big for him because he could have just said dallas He could have but he didn't he said taro texas and he said it not only once he said it over and over and over again And I think that that They realized now and that's why they gave them the street and that's why they're trying to do everything to reconcile that that that that uh Mishap mishap. Yeah Wow Yeah, man. Well, I just want to say man. Thank you for coming on the show one question. Oh, oh you got some else I have a question left Okay, being a filmmaker coming up because I know most of your film that you've done Of course, if you know taro, you know that that's where it's being filmed And when you started coming up and wanting to film films in taro No, in the type of place taro can be um, what were what was the Obstacles you had to go through because when I when I watch your film I'm like, okay, that's under the bridge over there where that old restaurant used to be or that's on such and such I don't know when you film and sometimes you might need a road blocked off or you might need whatever But I don't know and permits and stuff like that and again, if you know taro, you know taro And because of who you are What are the obstacles you had to go through and how did you overcome them? Really, there was no obstacles really because I came I was the beneficiary of mr. Fox taro gave me my own day There's only two people who's ever gave me my own day um Fort Worth, um fourth hill They gave me a day proclamation and taro gave me a proclamation taro has always supported me. They've given me any resources I need They've they've like on the last shoot idea. We had the police the fire department and and they paid their salaries They've been they gave me an office. So taro has been you came the right time taro has been very very um And then they're now trying to become because of Stuff that jamie's doing and I've done now. They're seeking to become a film friendly town Because now they understand the the power of what film does and they're saying hey, how do we become and how do we become? Uh Influence and how do we help people and how do we become? Part of this society But most of people who watch your film will never know that it's filmed in taro Unless you've been down there because it doesn't say anywhere on there. It does. Yes. Oh, I didn't I never read the end part Yeah, and I'm trying to get taro to get do like georgia did Let me put the taro logo on every film Because as much as they do for me I go in there and I say hey, you know what could you buy me lunch one day? I might tell us what you want. Mm-hmm. You know or can you help me with? Location or hotels for my for my actress. How many you need Mike? Wow That's awesome. Thank you so much, man Been a great show. I appreciate it. Mr. M. Legend Brown is in the house, man Thank you so much. How can people get a hotel if they're trying to reach out to uh, you know engage in in some of your projects Up and coming how can they how can they reach you as a famous woman said just google m. Legend brown You know what I want to say this before I go I like this This is to me. I used to listen to mama hall. I always talk about Man, we sit in the room I be in the room with billy d and we be in the room with gizzy Gizzy and just different people just say that artists musicians actors When we first met, you know what I mean? Now to see where you guys are yeah and to see how It's like the grind and and if you put in the time you put in the work You can do anything and to see people rising At the same time is beautiful. Man, you know, god don't make no mistakes And it's already been written So at the end of the day, I think Your gift to make room for you. I'm telling you how long it's gonna take either It just say it'll make room for you. Yes. So I just thank god for you and I just say keep on making those movies That can change people's lives and hearts like you've been doing and and we'll keep on watching And I know I know that you've saved lives through those movies. Thank you I know that already. Thank you. And you got to really know that you don't have to see them. No You just have to know that the harvest is pulling the labels a few That's it. That's it and do what you're supposed to do. Mm-hmm And quench not that spirit. That's it Check it, man And pure flicks you need to let this go for the episode two because I'm already done with episode one of steps of faith um Episode two need to come on with it because I can't wait this long. Okay. Check it, man. Hey, man We love you, brother. Thank you. It's been another great segment of boss talk 101. What a boss has talked and we out