 Good evening, everyone. Hi. Can everyone show thumbs or something so we know we're being heard. Awesome. Phoebe you're getting really good at it. Give everyone a, just wait a while. We're still a few minutes early. See people still coming in. So we'll just wait a few more minutes. Thanks everyone. I think we'll give you just a couple more minutes if that's okay with everyone. Thank you. Donna and don, do you want me to just, I was just going to say sure that would be great. Kathy, thank you. Just checking in. We, we have members of the building committee, but not a quorum. So I will just introduce you then. And turn it over to your team. Perfect. Vivian, I think we dressed like twins. Their office uniform. Well, splash of color. But that doesn't, that has no reflection. We're all very happy here. Kathy, if it's okay, we'll wait a couple of minutes. It looks like some people are still coming in. Sure. They had a hard time finding parking. That is, that is the beauty of this, right? It's. We'd love to be in person, but this certainly makes life easier for so many. So I think that's a good idea. Kathy, your call. It looks up. There's a few more. So they may be people will be coming in. It's up to you if you want to wait a few more or. Try to get started and. Well, and I know you have a. A well orchestrated time. So why don't we start and. I just want to, I want to welcome everyone. I'm Kathy Shane. I am chair of the elementary school building committee. I'm going to introduce Dinesco. Thank you. Mr. And then, thank you so much for joining us tonight. The Dinesco design team is going to present and conduct a community for them. And I was to think most of you know, who logged in. They'll both be a presentation, presentation, then they're going to be breakout rooms for small group discussions and coming back. We're very excited. There are several members of the building committee here. To be at this point, Some of what we're going to be looking at on different kinds of alternatives and development, the education plan. It's all the beginning phase of this project. And I think with that extremely short introduction Donna, I will turn it over to you. Thank you. And thank you everyone for joining. Just give a quick overview and introduction of our team. My name is Donna Dennis go with Dennis go and Rick, Rick Rice, I guess we're going to do this quick. Also we have Vivian, who will be leading one of the discussions one of the breakouts Tim Cooper will be leading the sustainable discussion. We have brought Colin Finch project architect and then we have Brian Hunter who's the man behind all this magic so blame him when my computer crashes. Margaret would I didn't see her come in. Yeah, so and also as part of our team. We also have Margaret Wood with answer and she's our owner's project manager and if she if she does join us I like to introduce her as well as she's an integral part of our team. But with that, I guess what we can do is just get started for this evening so thank you and welcome everyone to our first community forum we've had two visioning sessions with the community we've met with the staff. We've had other conversations with staff regarding coming on days and some other programs, and we'll continue those conversations and we have an last visioning meeting coming up, and we'll have additional community forums as we go along. So here we go. So this evening really our focus real briefly we'll talk about the MSBA process they're an integral team member and important team member. As part of the project. Tim will talk about the site information what we've learned as well as your existing conditions from both buildings and both sites actually Wildwood and Fort River as well as both buildings. So what I'd like to do is break out into two sessions one is going to focus on sustainability net zero what does that mean to your community and how we can get there. Can't see the next slide, can everyone see my next slide now. I'm going to cover so I'm wondering if, yes, the agenda slide so apologies everyone we're having a little this one is not showing. Now you may need to get out of it and reshare. Sorry folks. So the man behind the curtain. Stop sharing thank you for telling me that we've only rehearsed this I can't tell you how many times so. I think part of the issue too is when we're presenting we can't see the slides I don't know why this is very frustrating. Alright, how's this. Yes. Perfect. Alright, so we'll talk about the MSBA process, both the information that we've obtained both on the Wildwood and Fort River sites and buildings, and then we'll break out into two sessions one will be focused on sustainability and net zero energy and how we plan on accomplishing those for the project, as well as breaking out into another session which is more visioning session and it's going to help us be informed by what's important to you what your project aspirations are as a community, and helping us understand what the pride what's important to you from the priorities that have been established for the project. Let's see if I can do this then. There we go. So the first part real briefly. We have MSBA as a very important partner in the project, but they do have a prescribed process that we have to adhere to. So, although we're sitting in 2022. So what we're, our goal is to have the project completed by August of 26 so that the final solution and I'm going to use the word new tonight in that it's going to be a renovation addition, or new construction. The new facility will be delivered for the students to move into it by August of 2026, but there's a lot of parts that and processes that need to occur as we go along. So, as part of the MSBA process they have eight modules, we are now in module three, and you've completed the eligibility period which determined that you are going to look at Fort River elementary school only with a reduced enrollment, as well as a 575 student school with a combined enrollment with Wildwood for 575. And then of the feasibility study, we have two submissions the first one is the preliminary design program, which will be submitting mid March. And then what we'll do is after we submit the PDP as we call it, we will continue to summarize the process with the preliminary and final evaluation of alternatives. We'll have a cost comparison for each of the options or we'd like to even call them concepts at that point in time. And then in June will be submitting the preferred schematic report to MSBA, which will document the preferred solution that will be the most cost effective and of course educationally appropriate solution to MSBA. Once we submit that we will start schematic design and schematic design will be focusing on the preferred solution, which will determine the final design program. Cost estimate a detailed cost estimate, as well as layouts of the floor plans, the preliminary overall plan for the site and the building as well as specifications such as building materials and site criteria. I hope that MSBA will be approving it sometime in February of 23, they have not yet established or rolled out what their schedule will be for 23 we're a little ahead of them right now, but normally this is about the timeline that occurs. MSBA votes to approve your project which really outlines the project scope, the size of your building, the cost and the reimbursement from MSBA, the district or the town has 120 days from their approval to secure the funding for the project. Once you secure the funding MSBA will issue or you'll enter into a project funding agreement, which details how much money they're going to participate in with the project scope schedule and cost will be. And then we actually get into the more exciting more detailed design of the project. Right now we're focused on the very first two phases the preferred schematic report, which will have complete in June, and then MSBA will vote on it in at the end of August. And then we'll be working on the schematic design again, submitting to MSBA in December with their vote sometime in February of 23. So here we are PDP. How are we going to develop the PDP or what's part of the PDP, we will finalize the educational program. We have really used all of the effort that you have gone through over the past several years, and we have validated it with the remaining sessions with the staff as I mentioned we've had several conversations and we'll continue to have those. We have not quite engaged the students yet although we've gotten some great input they want swimming pools and slides so this will be a fun conversation with them families and the community. And then we have started the conversations meeting with stakeholders as it relates to sustainability, of course the educational components design features. And here we are having conversation with you all this evening as the start of our community outreach, in addition to the visioning session so it'll be really important to continue to obtain your feedback as we go through the process. I would also I'm going to interrupt us real quick I think Mike Morris superintendent Mike Morris has joined us as well so thank you Mike. And Tim, I'll turn it over to you. Now we're going to talk about the two sites that and Hearst is lucky to have to evaluate and consider, which would be better for the project, and the buildings themselves. Starting with the Wildwood site. It's a 14 acre site that was made level when the original Wildwood school was built. It has a single point of access that it used to share with access to head start to the southwest part of the site. There's parking to the north of the building in the west and play fields to the south, and then south of the entire site are the play fields and practice fields for the regional middle school. On the east side of the site there are some steep grades and some mature trees that make that part of the site, unworkable really for a building and then there's also some steep and grades getting up to strong street. The entire site is about 14 acres but when you take away the things that have to remain access to the head start areas where you wouldn't build due to topography there's probably about 11 or less left over next. Sorry. Yes, so here's just a summary of the site aspects. There's a single point of access on strong street. Can't really introduce any more curb cuts because of the hill this will limit our ability to control traffic and make the intersection work a little bit better if we do select this site and the existing building is about 82,000 square feet which is probably about 20 cent 20% smaller than a new building would be whether renovated or a new new building. Next please. So this is the Fort River site. Basically an identical building 82,000 square feet on a larger site. This site has two points of access which allows traffic to circulate through the site a little bit better but the northern exit just pointed to is very close to a major intersection in town, which presents its own traffic issues. So this site is adjacent to a river, which provides for some opportunities for outdoor education and natural environment, but that also comes with its own limitations. What is shown on the screen now is the flood prone conservancy zone, which is a zoning limitation, which we will respect as we consider new development on the site. There are also other limitations. This shows the current definition of the floodplain associated with the Fort River that definition is currently under review and it will actually be revised. If all things go as scheduled this year to a much less inclusive part of the site so the floodplain restrictions will move back but there are other restrictions that we need to talk about then with limit where we could place a building on the site. So this shows riverfront setback and wetland setbacks that we would respect, obviously, as we consider any development on the site and they all reach almost up to the existing building. Next please. So here's an overlay of all of those, except for the floodplain, which is influx and they limit the developable area. So if you take what is a 30 acre site and take out of play their reasons, the part of the site that we would use to avoid the regulatory and setbacks, we would be limited to about 11 acres, which is still a good amount of site to work with and will allow us to do everything we need to do. But we can't use the entire site and when I say we are limiting the site. We're basically talking about the building, the areas that are shown in the setbacks will still be available for outdoor recreation play outdoor learning and many of the community aspects that the site can be developed for. One more please. So, these are the two sites side by side. As I said before, and hers is very lucky to have two viable sites that we will continue to look at and evaluate and see which is the most appropriate for the project for all of the reasons that we will consider. Now we're going to talk about the buildings that are on those sites. The buildings were both built in the early 70s at a very different time in terms of our attitude about energy about how we teach in schools, but because they were built at the same time by basically the same design, they have very similar issues that would need to be addressed in a renovation or a new building. We have envelopes that do not perform well when measured for energy efficiency. The outside walls are break with block backup which has almost no insulating value. The buildings do not comply with ADA or MAAB, Massachusetts counterpart to that. So, if the buildings are to be used there will have buildings do not meet the requirements of ADA. And to correct those deficiencies, there would be renovations required. The next item is security. There is limited ability to control access at the front door of the buildings. There is an A-phone now, where you can buzz in, but the lobby is not designed for secure entrances at the second door, which would be locked in a school that is built in today's environment. There are also classrooms that have doors to the festival, so today's standards in terms of security do not exist in these buildings. The buildings are large in one story, so there are not a lot of windows. There are four-day lights and the mechanical systems are from early in the 70s. They do not function to today's standards, so thermal control is not available the way we would like it to be. Another artifact from the time that the buildings were built is open classrooms, which give you a lot of space, and that was handy during COVID. It's not good for acoustic separation and it's not good for teaching in general. There is inadequate ventilation in the buildings due to the age of the systems, and all of the systems in the building, whether it be electrical, fire alarm, heating, ventilation are beyond their useful life. There have been made some upgrades to boilers, things like that, but they are not usable in a new system, and then the systems that have been maintained surprisingly well by the maintenance and facilities department are so old that it's impossible to maintain, upgrade or get parts. And also, due to when the buildings were built, there is materials that would have to be abated, including the glue that holds down the floor tire and the ceiling tile, if there were to be renovation in the building. Next. This picture of while going outside shows the existing brick. It's in decent shape in terms of weather, but the thermal performance is nowhere near what you would expect for a building, and what we would expect today. The windows are also single paint and aluminum frames in various places throughout the buildings and both of the buildings. They've been attempted to be upgraded with polycarbonate plastic, if you will, screwed with another layer to the frames but it may have a marginal increase in performance budget. That's it also when it's the amount of a day left they can go through. Here's a picture of one of the large classrooms in Wildwood, you can see that spaces have to be defined by furniture because this classrooms are too large for a single class. There is limited storage. You are looking toward the back of the classroom where there is a light well to let in, but there is not that much light that goes in. I don't think that doesn't meet ADA standards. Next please. Here is one of the teacher workspaces of the administration, the teacher workspaces and all of, or I should say most of the non classroom spaces are in the interior of the building, many of them lack windows and the corridors to get to them are narrow. This space and shot is indicative of the condition of most of the building. Here's a picture of one of the retrofitted windows, basically plastic held in place with wood that is attached to the existing will. It's just not going to perform the way you would expect to building to next please. Here's a picture and one of the multi fixture toilet rooms there is no room for person with a disability to turn around. So, I think basically the rest of the presentation which will be available for everyone to see is just additional information on the existing Fort River building, which really isn't much different than what you just saw over at Wildwood. So what we can do now is, I think everyone has a flavor of the buildings and of the sites. What I think might make the most sense is if we go into our breakout sessions, and we'll be doing that by selecting, we're trying to get Mike Morris back and I apologize. We can break out into our breakout sessions, we'll put half of you into Vivian's breakout session, who will be talking about the aspirations priorities and what's important to you as a community, and the other half will go with Tim. We'll stay back as other people start joining the meeting after 30 minutes will switch break out so you have the opportunity to meet with either Vivian or Tim, we didn't see for the first section, and then we'll all come back and join together for a wrap up. So what we're going to see is if we have, I think probably a good idea, I really apologize, take a few minute break, maybe rejoin at 707, maybe a five minute break 7707 let's just say. We can make sure that we have control over the breakouts as well. And then we'll reconvene what you'll see when you come back in five minutes is a little note on your screen that will say, join the breakout room so just click on the join the breakout room. You'll be brought or transformed right into Vivian's breakout or Tim's breakout, we'll talk for about a half hour. Hopefully it will be an interactive session, and then everyone will come back and join this for a wrap up. So hopefully we can continue this we sincerely apologize why someone broke through our security here. So if we could just take a five minute break when you come back you'll see the click on the link to get you into your breakout session. Hi everyone. Looks like people are still coming in. Wow that was unsettling. I'm speechless. Let's hope we don't run into any more of those issues particularly in the small group but you know what in the smaller group, I can see all of you. Paul I think you missed Paul I thought I saw you are you still on some of the excitement. Yes, great thank you welcome welcome in. Just Vivian are you running this section to something happens you're controlling it. I'm going to do my best and I have Colin here also Colin you want to say hello everyone Collins from our office. Colin if you see anything untoward just feel free to read folks off. I will. All right awesome okay you know what I'm going to set my, well it's going to set my timer but Colin you're going to be my time at this point so thank you so much for making the time to join us tonight. I just wanted to talk a little bit about Heather, Heather Sheldon does that sound familiar to anyone. Okay. I'm sorry I'm going to probably be asking along the way. In any case, in the past several weeks we've had the great opportunity to talk to many folks and talk to the school department about some of their priorities and aspirations and as we start the process this is really an exciting part of the project where we get to talk to you and many more people stakeholders and get some input from you as to what you see as the greater community for the new school whether it's a new construction or renovated school. In the next few minutes we're going to be talking about some aspirations as well as talking about some of the priorities that have already been established. So I am going to share my screen. A little better. Okay. Can everyone see a title sheet? Again it's hard, give me a thumbs up if you can. I've got, okay Colin we're good. Okay great. So what I would love you to do is if you have a computer that has a second screen, even if you have one it's a little more difficult but for those of you who've joined us earlier on visioning meetings, this is a way for you to participate without having to speak because you'll have an opportunity to do a little chat at the end of this if the time permits. But if you have an iPhone or a smartphone you could take a picture of the QR code and that'll send you directly to the mentee site or type in on a separate browser the mentee.com. And that'll take, yes. You're frozen so can you restart your screen chair please? Okay. There you go. Okay, let's try this again. Did anyone let Jennifer in? She was just going a second ago. Okay how's that? Hi everyone I can see you squarely so you just give me a thumbs up or thumbs down. Alright is everyone on mentee? This will give you an opportunity to participate just by typing in some thoughts, questions as we go along our way. Okay. So again as we met with folks and to the greater school community, there were many ideas that came out and some of these are just given. For instance, you know as we look at designing a new school, a renovated school will be looking at definitely designing for universal access. We'll be looking at safety in terms of just pedestrian children access pickup as well as the safe use for the community. We'll be looking also at green spaces and that's for children, students as well as for community use and then also connectivity to the community. Okay Vivian, I think we are seeing just your mentor meter screen, not your PDF. Are you sharing your browser or you're just always use the mentee in the QR code right now. On the mentor meter is advancing, but not on the shared screen. Okay so in your whatever device you're looking at. Right. Okay. Alright let's try this again. You see photographs of buildings. Okay. I'm not going to touch anything else. Alright, so as we start to think about a building design, I think many of us have preconceived ideas of what a school might look like. Some of us it's a, it's got to be a brick building for others, we want it to look progressive because we want children and staff and the community to get excited about learning and the future so that people come to the table with many different ideas. For designers, we don't want to come to the table with any preconceived ideas so we want to hear from you as to what you, what what do you think of when you think of a renovated or a new school for this community. And here's where you'll have the opportunity if you are on mentee. Give us some of your thoughts what is your vision, how do you see the school working. Fitting into the community. Just provide some thoughts that we can then share with a larger group. Light filled classroom. Yes. Natural daylight is so important. We, we know that we get better outcomes when the environment is healthy. I see a theme here light. So, flexibility. So, community resource, awesome. So the school as preconceived, I guess, the new design renovation of the school is going to be for potentially a larger population than what you know now. Our goal is to create a school that is has a scale that is friendly to children. So that even the youngest child can feel like this is their space. It's not overwhelming. We want to also foster community. Climate action focus. Yep. So the next breakout group, you'll have an opportunity to talk also about climate and sustainability. Open and wide hallways. Awesome. These are great. Thank you. I'm going to close this and I will go on to the next slide. Design for children and new. Okay. I saw community as a couple of the pieces of the puzzle here and yes, when we design schools, schools are not standalone buildings. They really are part of the larger community and as such, we really want to create spaces that encourage a lot of use of the school we often design gyms that are regulation size gyms. There are oftentimes rep departments that like to use or need gym space right for basketball and assorted activities. We design cafeterias that have performance areas that can be used definitely at times that school is not in session and media centers, we now design them to be flexible so furniture can move. Cables and chairs can move even decks can move so that it can accommodate larger groups or the meetings. And lastly, some of the classrooms are able to be used by the community if there are after school or before school programs and even weekend programs and language programs. So, what are some other thoughts how how else do you see the community using the school. And this is kind of looking at interior spaces because we'll have an opportunity to talk about the outside. For those of you who just joined us if you jump on to mentee and use this code. You can also participate we've got a couple more slides but in this case we were talking about how different spaces or the school can be used for community public meetings yeah. We have a resistance hub yeah and we can talk a little bit more about that at the next breakout group. Meetings yes. We have a school. Middle school actually that we designed with a media center that was large enough to hold building committee meetings and school committee meeting so these these facilities are designed with great connectivity so the technology also even allows community meetings if the need arises. Yep, meeting meetings after hours awesome. Great. Okay, I'm going to move on colorful. Yes. That it will be. Okay, so, this is a school building design spaces that can be shared that the school again it sits within a larger site that also will be shared with parking it's a necessary evil right we live in an automobile driven world, but there's going to be parking spaces around space for the children. There's an opportunity for community gardens that we've heard that also from our visioning sessions. There's also the opportunity to. There's also the opportunity to do outdoor learning, right, in the case of gardens, or even creating outdoor classroom spaces. We love to hear what your vision is for the site. Hey, and shelter. This is awesome basketball yep kids really need outdoor recreation space, not just playground, not just swings right shade and shelter. There's so many opportunities because of the wetlands and the river. And just by the nature of being where the building set. I love that. All right, thank you. It seems that I probably talked too much because we are about to jump back into a different group. So I am going to leave you and you get. Okay, hang on with joining another group. Hi everyone. We'll give it another 30 seconds to make sure everyone's joined. That was kind of short too so okay. Hi everyone can you hear me. Great thank you and let me see. Going to try to share my screen. Give me a minute here. Can you all see my what is your vision for the site. Awesome. Okay, so sorry this was from the last session I got totally cut off so I'm going to move forward and try to get through this quickly. Thank you so much for joining us. What I wanted to do tonight is give you the opportunity to talk a little bit about your aspirations and your vision for the new school. So in the past several, you know what, you guys were on mentee prior to this right. So you'll need to jump off that mentee and sign into this one because this will give you a different set of slides to comment on. So when you guys are on give me the thumbs up and I will keep moving. And there's going to be an opportunity. Thank you Jennifer. On the next slides, you'll still be able to enter the mentee number if you miss it this time around. All right. So, in the past several weeks we've had great opportunity to talk to stakeholders and school community members to talk about some of their aspirations and what they would like to see as part of the new or renovated school. Some of these are given right of course we're going to design for a safe, safe drop off pickup safety all around the school and within the school. Those areas that are used by the community as well we'll be looking at safe use. We'll be designing for universal access to the school and universal design for learning. And then we're going to provide some spaces that could potentially also be shared by the community. So when you think of a school, a lot of I think a lot of people think of a school building as maybe a brick building, a red brick building right the little little red school. Some folks may also think of a school as being progressive because we're in the 21st century, we want our children to be inspired to learn and go far right with technology and just all the things that they will pick up in terms of learning at the school so there are many ways to approach the design of the school we we would oftentimes we pull in traditional building materials and incorporate them in new ways that really sends us to the future. So, as you think about a new or renovated school what is your vision for the building. So this is where you'll have the opportunity if you're on mentee to type in. If you're on a separate device because on a phone you can kind of see the presentation as well as what's on mentee but why don't you provide some of your thoughts for you envision a new or renovated school yet natural non toxic materials. And we will definitely be looking at building a school that meets the state sustainability guidelines, lots of light that seems to be a theme. And what's definitely because we know that natural natural daylight really does add to the ability for children to to learn in a positive and healthy environment. Central library. Kind of what is there now right with the wildwood and Fort River Schools contemporary. Yes, and definitely flexible so what we do now is we design what we know so much more now than when I was a child is that every child learns differently and you know every child and what we want to just create the spaces that can accommodate all the different types of learning that can be used to just fold in furniture as well. Great, thank you. So, as we design these new schools even renovated schools, we look at spaces that can be used a lot, and we look at how these spaces can be shared with the community. We often design gyms that are large enough to accommodate basketball games right regulation size gems. We also design cafeterias with performance spaces so that these spaces can be used outside of normal class time. And we also design media centers with with furniture I think someone said, movable furniture earlier so that the furniture can be moved off, and we can set it up for meetings community meetings, or even small group performances. And of course classrooms we want to also accommodate any community programs such as after school or before school programs. So, as we think about community spaces. What is your vision for community spaces, what are some of your thoughts. So, the MSBA who partners with us as Donna had mentioned earlier does now provide in their program requirements a stem type space so we know how important that is and more and more schools are folding in the arts into the whole stem program so now we call it steam and steam can incorporate art. So we can incorporate fine arts, which is where the performance comes in different zones. Yeah. Again, libraries are designed so that whole classrooms can be brought in to use the spaces, as well as individual one on one teaching can also occur in these spaces. And again when we think of a school the school is just part of a larger community right it's part of the fabric of the community. So, when we are looking at the site, the siting of the school, the school is going to share the site with parking, and it might be a fairly large parking lot which we typically want to separate from children's play areas. We provide multi use play areas where there are play structures as well as places for children to run. But often there are other features that we fold into these these outdoor spaces. There are potentials for learning outdoor learning community gardens that can be shared by the community. So this school here we have walking paths. And that's this. This is a plan of it that takes you from a little pond area over here over to the neighborhood so there are natural resources around both of these schools that we would take advantage of, and just make the connections. Again, as we look at the outdoor spaces, what is your vision for the site. It could be as simple as I just want some walking paths I want to be able to walk my dog through this back area kids should be outdoors. So, the coven has really challenged educators in so many ways, and as I drive around the communities I see all these outdoor classrooms right that are literally set up with indoor classroom tables and chairs. We start to look at the outdoors we are going to look at how we can be really flexible in how we use the outdoor space. And I think it could be built in furniture but again and flexibility it could be logs that are cut down for little benches there many different ways we can approach the site plan and the design of it yeah gardens and playing fields. Absolutely. We also design playgrounds. Sometimes, again, children have different social skills and some kids don't like to be with the fray of all the excitement and they like a little quieter space we've created sensory gardens that incorporate musical instruments so again these are features that not only the children who attend the school can use but the greater community can really take advantage of yes play areas for children. So the other great thing about renovation and new construction for sites is that we design the entire site to be fully accessible. That means someone in a wheelchair someone who has difficulty walking and maneuvering will have the ability to do that we don't. We design play spaces with surfaces that would allow that to happen and slopes that are gentle enough that would meet the accessibility guidelines. Okay. So as part of our visioning sessions and also working with the stakeholders. We've, we have a set of priorities that have been established and these are on on the screen, you know, equity seems to be the very important aspect of designing the schools and that's equity for students as well as the community and we'll consider the redistricting impact so we will be looking at the two sites right the Wildwood and Fort Rivers site and we will be assessing and evaluating which site makes the most amount of sense for the new or renovated school and these are all the components that will be considering as we look at which site makes the most amount of sense in which building program makes sense. So these are what's been established so far. So we would love to hear from you to see what your priorities are so out of these eight in the next slide you're going to be able to use your mentor and vote for your top three so that we could kind of get a sense of what's important to you as a as a community. And then we'll have an opportunity for you to actually we can chat if the time allows, or you can also plug in what you think might be missing and other considerations. So there are eight that we talked about equity educational program, fitting within each option and construction costs is always going to be a consideration, as well as operating costs. And then the future expandability and flexibility. And finally traffic. How does the school and the capacity of the school impact traffic. And then the community use and that's zero. Yes. So I think you all came from the sustainability conversation right so that's definitely an important aspect. All right. So, what I'd like to do is people are still running okay I'm going to give you 30 more seconds. Okay great educational program fitting with the option. Absolutely. The school design should be educationally driven right it needs to work for these students. And these are all really important priorities that we will considering. Okay, so. Are there other priorities that you think we missed or that you think we should add. Love to hear from you. If you'd like to unmute at this point to we can also have we can also chat about everything climate related yet. We want the teachers and the kids to be happy in this building absolutely. And also as a community, you know we want to be good neighbors as well. Right, so I would love to open this up if anyone. I'm not sure if you can raise your hand but we could unmute if anyone wants to ask any questions. Raise home values yes we know that a school. Really does impact. It really does have a great impact on the neighborhood. And yes absolutely the coming out to this program is really a key aspect of the school program. Any other comments yes baby please. Hi so I wasn't sure how to write this, but I think, given what we have experienced in the last couple of years with our schools and with coven and everything else I think it's really important to think about. You know, if if this kind of thing were to happen again in the future, or if something of this magnitude were to happen again in the future. How do we best deal with that within our schools. Are there ways that we can, you know I think environmentally deal with it as well as ways to make kids more comfortable and sort of the list goes on so I wasn't really sure how to write that in a small way. I think it's, it's, it's being resilient. Right and sometimes we think of it as being climate resilient so as we design systems. We want to be cognizant of definitely the immediate environment and whether again you know river there is a river so we want to be sure we're respectful of that so that what we design really doesn't have any potential flooding but again as the I think the flood zone is getting reestablished and redefined. Those are really huge considerations. Thank you Phoebe. And yes definitely so what we cannot do is design really large classrooms. I think that the current Fort River school has kind of redefined classrooms given the COVID. And those are pretty big but you know the MSBA does kind of limit the size of classrooms to 902,000 square feet for typical general classrooms and slightly larger for kindergarten. We can work within those confines but we also designed flexible spaces so that when kids need to move away from a larger group, we have a flexibility to do that. But again that's, that's coming up, it's going to be great with, we hope that you'll all join us for additional community meetings as the design gets developed so that we can gain some more feedback from you all. Any questions or comments? I think we are probably going to get booted back into the main group but so there will be opportunities also if you have questions. If you're not aware already we do have a website where we will have our presentations uploaded and there's also ways that you can ask questions and participate. We have a lot of upcoming meetings so if you go on to the website there's a calendar that will point you to the different meetings that we'll have and we'll have a follow up community forum as well as a follow up community vision session in a couple of weeks. So that will be a great opportunity to kind of summarize what we've learned and hear from you as to what you think we've missed. And again, this is an iterative process as we continue along design. We, nothing is going to be set in stone. Now until those final construction documents are done. All right, so we have about 30 seconds and again thanks for joining us and stay tuned while you get zipped back into the main group. I didn't miss anyone did I. Okay, great. Thanks everyone. Have a good night. Hi everyone. People are still coming in so we're going to give one minute. We're just going to have a chat here about the sustainable aspects of the building. So there's a brief presentation that I'm going to go through just to talk about some of the assumptions that we made and the direction that we have so far. And what this building is going to be and the decisions that are going to have to be made as we move forward through the process and everybody. See my screen, Rick, maybe a few way. There we go. All right, so as part of this breakout session, we're going to gather some information from you. We're going to go to the Mentimeter, which you can open in a browser or on your phone. You go to the website that is shown there menti.com, and then you're going to enter that number and that will allow you to participate in this discussion. We were hoping that we might also be able to have a discussion and we'll see how that was, unfortunately, there are probably not enough meant the question set up to have depth of conversation that we were hoping to have. So jumping right in. The school will be a net zero energy school. It's a goal that many communities strive for, but by virtue of the bylaw that and hers has already passed. It's going to be a given here, which is commendable in a lot of ways. Just to define that zero case anybody knows it means that the amount of energy used on the site will be equal to the amount of energy produced on the site over a given period of a year. It doesn't mean that at any one time, this site will be completely self sufficient building will be on the grid will be connected to the utilities. So if you were running an assembly on a cold winter night with all the lights on you would definitely be using more energy than the solar power panels if that's what we use would be generating the product of the town's bylaw is it will be all electric meaning there will not be gas fired boilers there will not be heating oil use this will contribute greatly to reducing the carbon footprint of the building and any emissions associate with there is an exemption in the town bylaw. The generator essentially can be powered by diesel fuel or natural gas, just for the sake of reliability and in case it's needed. Some of the ways that energy might be produced on site would be photovoltaic cells, which are shown here school we did over the parking lot and they can also be on top of the building or other site elements. There are other ways that energy can produce produced on site but photovoltaic panels solar panels are the most likely result. We will be aiming for a target EUI of 2520. EUI is energy use intensity. It's a measure of how much energy the building used and measured in thousands of BT us per square foot per year. Sorry, there's a bit of a delay on advancing the slides. So to get to net zero there you have to approach it from two directions one is you have to produce energy on site and the other is you have to use less energy on site. So the ways that we use less energy, there's a lot of facets. This chart shows the typical school and Massachusetts and how much energy uses would have an EUI of 60. So to get to our target EUI of 25, there's a lot of things we have to do. We start with making the envelope more efficient use windows that have higher insulating value. We put more insulation in the walls and roof, and then we have a commissioning process that makes sure everything is running smoothly and that the walls are built and function the way they were designed. We show the loads on the electrical and mechanical systems. So we control day lighting so that less electrical lighting is needed. We use LED lights which use vastly less energy than any old lighting sources be it fluorescent or incandescent. We use smart outlets that turn off at night. So there can't be any phantom energy use. We also use occupancy sensors that when a room is vacant the lights go off and the heating can be set to economize. Another way that we reduce energy use is the design of the entire system itself so we use heat pumps which is an efficient way of moving heat around a building and getting into the building from the outside and then we also have energy recovery systems that when ventilation air is exhausted from the building we click to grab the heat in that that we've already heated up and put it back into the air that we're pumping into the building. And then we have ways that we monitor sub meter so you might monitor separate parts of the building separate uses building maybe this is the kitchen and all of that information allows us to better control and react to the efficient building. And then the last column here is approaching the problem from the other direction rather than reducing the energy use we are generating energy, most likely with photo both say. There are a lot of options and decisions that we're going to have to make as we move through this. We have boilers to create heat in the building there are other ways that we can get heat basically we're going to pump it out of the air or pump it out of the ground these are two general types of systems that we use. We have pros and cons reach ground source heat pumps basically drill wells into the ground pump water through those wells and then extract heat from those wells to heat in the winter and compete into those wells for cooling in the summer. The system has high upfront costs, but it's very durable and very efficient so there has a decision that has to be made there. Another type is air source heat pumps which is functionally similar to an air conditioner, but it works both ways. There is lower upfront costs with those, but there's more maintenance costs and they have to be replaced sooner so as we design the project and develop the budget and reconsider priorities will be moving through and making decisions on the system that will help the town meet its zero energy goals. This slide just illustrates that because there are so many moving parts the system the design the energy use the energy production, a lot of the decisions that are traditionally made in the design and construction process have to be moved earlier in the process. And that there is a more sophisticated building control system of the MS system that operates all of the mechanical systems in the building. It can turn the lights on and off, it sets the heat. It is and can be complicated but the complication of the system can be customized to the users because there are systems that are as complicated as you want them to be but if they are too complicated for the users to understand or use effectively they won't be used and so then you've built in complication that will make your building more efficient but effectively you've made it less efficient because those controls will never be used. As part of a building project with the MSBA the building will be New England chips or lead certified. So that has requirements and many facets of the project that will make the school better and more efficient. Energy efficiency under here there's transportation, which basically means access to things like bike routes, public transportation, sustainable sites, which means you are not developing a new building in a green field so this is a reuse which is viewed better by lead. There are water efficiency which we achieve through all sorts of things including low flow toilets, meter faucets, materials and resources means that we use sustainable or naturally harvested materials. And then indoor environment quality is measured in a manner of ways including daylight, including air quality, including acoustics. And then there's also innovation points that we can earn by making the school a teaching device essentially making the school part of the curriculum and doing what we can to teach about the schools impact in the world, whether it's through the environment and our carbon footprint or the in body carbon of the materials used to build the building. And then we will also be controlling daylighting in a lot of different ways. If the building is multiple stories we can introduce light wells to get light through the middle of the building in a more effective way than function currently at Wildwood and for river. We have modern windows that can control glare and the design of the spaces themselves, including the height of the windows where they are in relationship to the room, the depth of the reflective surfaces on the window all control how much light gets to the students and the classrooms themselves. And what we're going to try to do now is give you all an opportunity to say ask questions but I think we may have locked down everyone's mic. But you can type in questions into the mentee app or another browser window. So type questions into the chat. If you are not having success with the mentee breakout rooms going to close in about a minute. I truly apologize, this should have been very conversational. We've heard that a lot. I'm sure we do everything to get this done and we've seen a lot of people that show up that want that to happen so we think it will. Daylighting outdoor education, we've certainly heard that a lot. And we are going to make that part of the project. Daylighting classrooms and other spaces absolutely. Okay, hang on with joining another group. Hi everyone. We should be shifting through here. Thank you everyone is here. Sorry for the awkward transition between rooms. Can everyone hear me. If any nods go there. There we go. Perfect. As you did in the other room, there will be a minty question that we could use for a little feedback at the end of the group. Please notice that the number is different in this room. So if you want to contribute to the conversation that way. Make a note of that number or enter it now. And then we're going to do a quick walkthrough of the sustainable aspects of the building. As we see them now and as they will progress. So this building will be zero energy capable. Thanks to Amherst bylaw, which puts you at the forefront of communities in Massachusetts many towns strive for this. There's no slide. I'm sorry about that. Can we see that now. And you reshare the, oh, sorry, could you reshare the mentee number you said it was different, but I think because we didn't see the slide we didn't see the new number. Thank you. Sorry about that. And then now that it seems everyone can unmute. I would like to invite you. You know, at the end of the presentation, we're going to have an attempt at conversation. There's also the feedback for mentee, but I don't know when conceived this was supposed to be a conversation. If anyone hasn't seen that yet it will be there available at the end. So as I was saying this will be zero energy capable building. Thanks to the bylaw that means that the energy produced by the building, or used by the building I should say will equal the energy produced on site over the course of year, not that does not meet at any one time. The building will not be drawing energy from the grid. If you're having an assembly on a winter night, obviously the lights and everything going on in the building is going to use a lot more energy that can be produced by solar panels, but it will be an all electric building, meaning there will be not fuel oil or gas fired boilers in the building or any other equipment that will help considerably with the carbon emissions of the building. And this presents some limitations in terms of the limits of the mechanical design. There is an exclusion for the emergency generator so regardless of the system. There will not be a time where in an emergency power is not available. There are multiple ways that power can be generated on site, but the most likely is going to be solar panels or as they excels as shown over the parking lot here in another school that we did, but they can also be mounted in other places on site, whether it's outdoor structures at the roof of the building. This is not necessarily what solar array will play. Just one more thing to point out on this slide. We're targeting an EUI of 25 or lower. EUI is energy use intensity measured in thousands of BTUs per square foot per year. So to reach that target at 25 EUI, you have to approach the building from multiple facets. So this slide shows what the typical school in Massachusetts uses in terms of energy. You'll see there's a EUI of about 60 so we have to be considerably lower that to have any shot at getting net zero to use that energy there. Well, start with the envelope. The walls have to be insulated, the windows have to be high performing and insulated so does the roof and commissioning in that bar refers to a process of checking that things are built as designed and performing as designed in terms of insulation, infiltration, and all of the protection from the outdoors that the envelope should provide. We also have to think about this building in terms of the loads on the mechanical systems. So we control day lighting so that electrical lighting can be used less. We also use LED lighting throughout the building which is far more efficient than older types of lighting be it fluorescent or incandescent. We use smart outlets so that there isn't a phantom load at night for things that are plugged in that aren't necessarily working but anything with a transformer on it draws power overnight. And then we also have occupancy sensors throughout the building that control lighting and heating when not in the room. And then, in addition to controlling the loads on system we design the systems themselves to be efficient. We use heat pumps which are one of the most efficient forms of heating and cooling buildings and then energy recovery system so as we bring air into the building and heated or cool it we then exhaust it out of the building but on the way out we'd like to use the heat or the energy to the new air coming in so that we don't waste all of the energy that we just spent. We also monitor control and with all of the things that we're trying to control we have to monitor them all and make sure that we're living up to the design. That's what the subredering and set points are. There are a lot of different types of heating systems, and they all have pros and cons, and the ones that will allow us to meet the net zero energy goals. You know, have a wide range in that area without boilers or any other way to produce heat by burning fossil fuel in the buildings we have to get the heat or energy from somewhere and typically that's from the air or the ground. So ground source heat pumps essentially drill wells into the ground, circulate water through them and then that water is basically a constant temperature year round and it's such a temperature that we can either extract heat from it or pump heat into it. These systems are very efficient, but they have an high upfront costs, but they are durable. There are also air source heat pumps functionally similar to an air conditioner that can run both ways. One of the advantages they have over ground source heat pumps is that they cost less but maintenance costs are higher and replacement has to happen sooner. So, you know, based on a lot of factors decisions have to be made about what is appropriate for this project. Those decisions, you know, compared to a typical building and design process, it would be helpful if they come earlier in the process. That's what this slide is trying to illustrate. We have to set goals in terms of what we want our energy performance to be and stick to those goals throughout the design. We also have more sophisticated controls that go along with the sophisticated systems. BMS means building management systems. So it's basically a computer that controls lighting, heating and all of the mechanical systems in the building and we like to customize that based on feedback with the users. It would be complicated enough to control everything in the mill building down to the minute, but if you make it too sophisticated or complicated for people to use, they simply won't, and then all of the efficiency that is built into the system gets lost, and you end up being less efficient because you are low too complicated. So, as part of building with the MSBA, the school will be either lead certified or doing the chip certified. And that comes with many aspects, not just energy performance. For the certification their considerations of local transportation, which could be in public transit could be an accessibility to bike routes. The site has to be considered or which means you get more points for building on an already developed site with this is. If you were building in a green field or cutting down a forest that would not help you with your needs certification water efficiency can be achieved through low water use fixtures, such as toilets or faucets. The next sphere is the name that lead uses to monitor energy use. You also have to make sure that we're using sustainable and renewable materials, and then indoor air quality is part of indoor environmental quality, as is daylighting and acoustics and all the other things that make a space comfortable. And then we also get points with lead if we can make the building a teaching device among other things. Here's an example of the room where we control daylighting there are many ways to do that, including the size and the height of the opening of the windows. This height of the ceiling allows us to bounce light around in ways that can be effective. But it's not just a function of letting the most light possible into a room we have to control their to light or differential light is just as bad as no light. So, as we go through the process of designing the bills we do the modeling and monitoring all of these things. Here are what the last group typed in committee and I am inviting you to add your own and would also invite you to unmute or raise your hand, which I think we have that under control now I mean this was supposed to be a conversation but you're more comfortable in mentee that's why it's here. If you're talking Heather you are muted, and you unmute yourself. Yes, I was trying to see my video I'm sorry my probably look defeat because I can't see myself right now. Yeah I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what challenges there might be if you're using, if you're pursuing remodeling scheme in meeting some net zero standards, it seems like there's some inherent difficulties or there are inherent difficulties in using some structures that weren't built in detailed originally to have a very strong thermal envelope. Well, you've nailed the first part of it is the thermal envelope, the building Fort River and Wildwood. Basically they're uninsulated compared to the envelope that you would have to have that is not to say that they could not be retrofitted and insulated any renovation project that we do is going to be major. For the sake of getting the program to fit getting daylight into the spaces addressing the energy efficiency needs. There is no reason that the energy goals of the town cannot be met in a renovation project but there are costs associated with retrofitting. And then also the net zero bylaw has an exemption for renovation. That is not to say that we would not aim to meet the highest goals of a new building in a renovated building, because once you do all of the work. Mechanical systems introduced daylight improve the envelope address any other deficiencies in the buildings in terms of accessibility and whatnot. You're almost have a new building so that's sort of a walk around the question. I hope that helps a little bit. And there has been a lot in mentee that I have not been reading it as I was a great natural light, healthy space for kids. Absolutely. Hoping to make geothermal work that will make meeting minutes your goals certainly a lot easier. The cost to a minimized log prioritizing at zero that is the challenge flexible multi-use space. Yeah, I see a question about if we're not zero do we have care about lead and being lead certified is actually a must be a requirement. So it's. Yes, you're not zero is going over and above the energy and atmosphere component, but the project does have to meet the lead or chips high performance school program that's at some point early on that the project team, and the folks in an horse or make a decision and work to those two programs, best fit the building program here and then that's the course that we'll have to follow through to get certified Yep. I'm happy to see how much feedback and mentee we're getting from this group. I can't even read them as fast as they're showing up but are scrolling on my screen air conditioning is on here absolutely there will be air conditioning when we talked a lot about saving energy but the kids being comfortable as a given, especially a predictable climate sufficient training for maintenance people. Yes, we will certainly make sure that happens and that that is documented so that as there's turnover in the maintenance staff they continue to use the building at a high life carbon life cycle carbon analysis is in decision making it will be result for very quickly and soon that try to design the large basis to be accessible in public. That is a goal of the school. Does anybody else have a question that they would like to ask. Can I ask a question. I have a question. Go ahead. So are you doing and I apologize if this was in the hi I'm Anna. I apologize that this was in the beginning of the presentation and I missed it. Are you doing this sort of information gathering with teachers. Yes, absolutely we are doing it with. As many members of the community as we can in that community includes teachers, educators, administrators. The committee that includes administration of the town counselors. So we have just started the process so I can say that we've heard from everybody yet, but we will, and the process of speaking to them will continue through SD. Well, it will continue the whole process but all of the big stuff will be decided by SD, which is toward the end of the year so there are a lot of conversations that are going to happen with a lot of people. If there's any other hands or hand up if she wants to. Sure. Was that address your question on. Yeah, I think so I was curious if there was a focused, like a specific focus group for teachers or not. In a dip Kathy's nodding thank you. I assumed there was I just wanted to confirm. They are critical in as they should be. Just add it on a there's been a first as Tim said a first round. But we're not at the point of, it's what kinds of things but then get feedback on the actual designs where things go and how things fit together so there's a lot of multi use project base that is coming from the teachers and staff on, you know is there storage space for the art rooms, for example, it is the kind of feedback on how does that work so it's yeah. So let's go to interject here that we've got about two or three minutes left in the room. And mostly they remind them of that right now because you can't see the notice and windows open I'm going to just read a few more of the comments here and answer the questions that I can can windows open for fresh air. Yes, they will be able to knowing you reach members of the community. Any vehicle and e bike charging stations, you vehicle probably e bike, maybe. I think there's a need that I haven't read school will definitely be designed as a community asset for use by the community beyond the school itself, you know, the exact nature of that design. It's easy, but certainly, it will be a factor. If anyone has any questions in the minute that we have left or statements or happy to respond in any way. Thank you for answering our questions. Thank you for showing up and providing feedback. It's a valuable part of the process and it only makes the project better. I think everybody spent. I think everybody is spent. Thank you everybody for your comments. Let's see you back in the main space. All right. Welcome back everyone. I hope we didn't lose anyone in cyberspace. I think I think everyone made it back. We have plenty of time left and I hope we didn't feel that we were rushed at all during the break out so I think what we'd like to do is just share a little bit what we heard, and give this an opportunity to ask some other questions if you may have or add through the chat. What we have done is we have created the chat so that you can only speak to the hosts, which is Dennis go, but we will absolutely reiterate your comments in the chat room, but I would like Vivian first maybe to see if there was a common theme that you learn throughout your to break out sessions or what what people are thinking our priorities. This is great. Although I wish we had more time so folks could actually we can have a chat about it but it is challenging when we have a lot of folks. There was a definitely some themes right for the new for the new or renovated building. The natural light was one very common theme and again as we look to how students learn best. We know that natural light really does have an impact community resource again is very important scaling the building and spaces for younger groups and for smaller groups and community gathering so flexibility is again a very important thing. There was also comments. This isn't the aspiration group about climate resiliency and just action focus so I think somebody's comments have come after Tim's conversation some maybe not but again, these are just a few of the many comments we're going to have these kind of summarize right so that folks will be able to see what other comments came up but those are just a few of them. Tim, do you want to share about something I mean there were certainly a common thread through the discussions in both of the groups it seems. Certainly a good understanding of the balance between providing comfort and all of the things that the kids using the school don't have now in terms of air conditioning day lighting in environment that will allow them to focus learn and and be kids and you know balanced with all of the realism of building the building installation what it takes to make these goals happen. It's sort of a different focus or approach to the same things that Vivian talked about. So I think all of the effort and work that the town has done, both from the educational perspective and net zero and the importance of climate net zero sustainability has really come through and we hear you loud and clear and we're really excited to present the options and see which options really resonate with the priorities, especially as they tie to education and net zero and sustainability. I think people can chat, we can receive your comments, and then we can speak them to the whole group and respond to them. If anyone has anything they would like to add or ask. We have plenty of time, or I guess some people say if there are no questions it doesn't mean they're not interested we've just answered them all but I'm sure we haven't. So we did get a question regarding the new floodplain maps. So, yes, we will be updating our maps of and the constraints of the Fort River site with the new floodplains. And we will take that into consideration with all of the other constraints that are on the site. I could actually go back to the other site because I think what's important to know is with all of the condition site conditions on the site, the floodplain really doesn't play as big of a role in it as do some of the other constraints between the conservancy and the wetlands we have a wetland coming right through here so we have to be respectful of that but we're going to. We're setting up the meetings with conservation commission planning department and all the necessary folks to ensure that all of the constraints and and limits are identified are still accurate so we will be going through that. The more we can pull back. That's great. It's it's rare that you have not one but two sites to consider. It sounds crazy but you actually are in a much better position than many of our other communities that we work with if you could believe it. We'll be doing traffic studies as started today, we will be we had to what we wanted to we didn't have to we waited until the university was back, as we understand that greatly impacts and informs your traffic. We started it today. We're out there looking at both sites, all of the intersections the patterns in and around the school but also the crosstown traffic and how that might impact both sites will also be doing actual traffic counts and that takes a little bit but we hope to have this done. Tim I believe they said in a couple of weeks. They were out at Fort River today they will be at Wildwood next week and then continued monitoring at major intersections in town so that they can fully understand the patterns of traffic. And then we'll have a report within a matter of weeks. And one question just came up regardless of the site can students remain remain in the existing school during construction. So if you're asking if it is a renovation addition will the school will the children be able to stay in the school while it is occurring. It will have they will have to it has to be done there's no what we call swing space. And so there's no other place to relocate the students. I might be able to take advantage of the few classrooms depending on the timing for when the sixth grade actually moves to the middle school, but the majority of the student population is going to remain in the school so we do this frequently. So we do have to create a plan that will allow for the students to remain in the school and a safe environment while construction occurs. But this is called this phase construction and it's going to be a little portion of the school, modified, move the kids to that modify, you know, or, or update another part of the school so there are a lot of moving parts and it typically the construction will not occur, but we would absolutely make sure that the students are able to remain in the school while there's construction going on. And another question came in will potentially uses the building site that it's not selected be part of the criteria. Thank you for asking. We started having that conversation and originally we thought that we should absolutely put that in as part of the criteria, but the more we thought about it. It's a little hard to say what if now when there isn't an actual site or a plan for the school so for the current right now as we look at all of the options. That won't be one of the considerations but I think those conversations need to start occurring within the town and then when the final evaluations come out. That could be part of the conversation. So our experiences with renovating a building and making a net zero, and then if we could provide a cost comparison of building new net zero versus renovate net zero. So we have completed two schools that are net zero, and they were both new schools, but that doesn't mean that we can't apply the same principles whether it's a renovation addition or new school. I understand that the bylaw actually for the net zero says of the new part of a renovation addition but our goal would be to make the whole school. A net zero so it doesn't necessarily the net zero doesn't scare us or or prevent us from thinking that we couldn't do this with a renovation and addition option, just like we would make sure that it has the same envelope as we would make sure that it has the same consistency the same windows like you're going to walk into a renovation addition building, and it's all going to look the same. Right so so we're not saying the renovation parts going to be less quality than the new portion of it. We have a cost comparison we absolutely will have a cost comparison for any or all of the options as we move through so there will be a cost comparison of a new building. And with all of the criteria that the town has established as well as a renovation addition with the same criteria weight against it. So do physical studies be completed for ground source heat pumps and geo structural issues, if any. So, Tim, do you want to take that. Okay, we have our design engineer performing the initial feasibility study and then as we narrow in on where we will be doing they will be doing test boards probably within the SD phase which is this year and that test will, you know, give us the conductive capacity of the ground let us know how well the wells perform if we go that route and how many we would need and how much of the site will take so the very initial phases of the study and will are happening right now, and we'll have a better sense by the time we reach SD, which is the end of here. So I think just just to add to that we have enough information right now to make an educated evaluation of the two sites and the impact that or what is going to be required for geothermal. So, you know, we have one site that has high water tables. The other site has some ledger or right so we understand the attributes of each site and we're going to be doing a comparison on the geothermal and what that means to each site so for example, if we have a, you know, I'm just we don't know 100% yet but maybe 110 115,000 square foot building, and we want to achieve net zero utilizing geothermal. We will be able to determine how many wells in an order of magnitude at this phase that will need on both sites, based on the geological information that we currently have. And then once we do determine a site will then get into more will actually do test wells and and make sure and verify all of the previous assumptions. Someone had asked will the building include preschool as well as K. Now the preschool is going to remain over at Crocker farm so this will be solely K through five and Crocker farm will continue to house the integrated preschool program. So how much longer knowing that could inform our response to that idea. I'm not sure what that was responding to maybe the geophysical studies. Do we imagine this will be a single story or two story and if not single story can a Renault support two stories. Really, really good question so it is, we can almost say with certainty that this will be a multi story, but school, and that we really based on all of the requirements that are needed for say 115,000 square foot building with the existing buildings on site. As you can look at the screen, it would be really difficult these are 82,000 square feet right so it would be very difficult to make it a single story and there are other reasons to make it a multi story building, but to respond to the renovation and addition option. We're exploring that we would not make the existing school the renovated part of the school, multiple, multiple story portion of of a renovation and addition option. It doesn't have the structure to support additional stories to it. That helps. Are the slope parts of Wildwood site suitable for PV arrays. Tim. Right. I mean, we will study this all in depth. We can give you general answers that this site is sloping to the south. So it is possible. That is the orientation that you would want. The sloping sites with the mature trees to the southeast part of the site I think would be off the table, but I didn't want to have those things but yes, the area to the north of the site, maybe ideally suited if we didn't want to put it either over the roof or on top of the building itself. When you're driving down strong street, you are looking down at the building. So if there's a question of where the community would prefer to see the solar panels to be honest, they, the green space between strong street and the school site might not be the preferred option. Okay, so I'm sorry I got a clarification. The question was if a renovation addition would take longer due to phase construct phase construction, how much longer versus new construction. To that that we need to understand what is going to remain in the existing building and what would be new and how we can phase the students based on the solution that we come up with. We also need to work with the school department to determine how many spaces, if the sixth grade moves out, could we actually utilize that would be vacant at that time. I don't know. I think I could ask my team here I don't think we're prepared to say if that's three months, six months or a year at this point. No, I didn't think so. Go ahead Vivian. It really just, it depends on the scope of work within the existing building for a renovation project, right. Whether we take down part of it build new. There's so many considerations we often think you know new construction is just easy because it's kind of like a one and done, but phasing in an existing building as complexity. Like I said you're not building foundations and additional spaces that are already there so again as Donna said we have to vet the scope and really understand how existing spaces can be reconfigured to meet the program before we can really get into the schedule. One question in a multi story school at the elevator breaks. The second story is inaccessible to some of the student school population with disabilities and how do we address that. In our recent history. We have designed we have we have not designed a single story building. I'll say it. I'll say it differently. To three story buildings is typical three even more so lately given the available space that districts have as far as buildable spaces. We just completed two schools on 1.7 acres, the whole site. So, so you have to get creative and a lot of instances. The elevators should be maintained and managed throughout the year you should have annual contracts, etc. We have not encountered and we do get calls all the time from our clients they they call us all the time for hey this happened hey this happened, but it's rare that we hear anything about elevators breaking. However, with that said should there be an emergency, and the students need to evacuate the building. Then we have special mobile chairs that would actually bring the students downstairs and we discussed the options with the school department as well as your emergency personnel. The renovation versus new is a is such a big question for the town what are the top considerations and that and when do you anticipate making that choice. So, we agree it's a it's a very big consideration. We established the priorities, and we want to make sure that any solution meets them from an educational perspective from a cost perspective, and then all of the other considerations will also need to be weighed such as duration and disruption to advance. So, all of these will be vetted between now and June when we make a preferred solution to be submitted to the state to MSBA, if that helps you. And the site decision will be made the site decision again will work for the preferred for the preliminary design program, we're not taking any site or any option off the table. We would like to take the enrollment option of the Fort River only students and we're hoping MSBA will agree with us, but we're not taking any options off the table whether it's a renovation addition or new construction at Wildwood or Fort River just now. We will be making that decision as well. And by June when we establish our preferred solution, a preferred solution in June will be, we want a renovation addition at the Wildwood site or new construction at the forward so and the program will be established. The size of the building will be established. So we'll be making that decision in June and we will be back to you as we start looking at all of the options and the implications of all the options including cost educational program, duration of construction disruption to students all of that will be brought forward to you before the decision is made. Life cycle. Carmen analysis. Life cycle cost analysis, I think. Yes. Yes, we will be reviewing the life cycle cost analysis for multiple different considerations, a lot of times we do this based on for the types of mechanical equipment that you select that's usually the biggest life cycle cost analysis. Life cycle cost analysis that we would consider, because you need to know it might be your most expensive first cost but it from the longevity of it your actual your operational costs are less. If your first initial cost is a little bit more but we will be doing that life cycle cost analysis for all of the systems, and then comparing them to the options whether it's a renovation addition and new construction. I want to ask, given the high water table of Fort River with a renovation with the existing floor slab, be able to be treated for moisture resistance. I think Rick was saying he has a hard time unmuting himself when I promise we didn't do that to you right on purpose but maybe Tim want to take that. Yes. If it is a renovation there are multiple ways that we can address moisture coming through this lab there are coatings that would go on top if we are keeping this lab moisture mitigation meant. It's a liquid applied and it actually works very well. If we are removing this lab which we will have to do where we're moving, wanting or making other structural changes to get to footings. We can put a vapor barrier below this lab that is impervious to water so issues with moisture are able to be dealt with. We would have to understand exactly what's happening but whether it's above or below this lab or if it's a new slab. It could be just as impervious as a newly constructed building. I do want to go back and thank you for clarifying she really did mean life cycle carbon analysis so thank you. You're talking about the carbon as it relates to construction materials transportation. So even though, you know, tearing down an entire building there's obviously some carbon impacts on that but as you build new there's also carbon impacts on that. And we can certainly do a similar cost analysis or life cycle carbon analysis to determine the different impacts on carbon whether it's a new or renovation project. Someone asked, do we have goals around the percent of different stakeholder populations that we're trying to reach and hear from. And how do we measure success, a successful community engagement. Our goals to reach as many people that we possibly can. We are trying in many different ways to reach out to everyone. We're actually trying or having a conversation about possibly even just having a community forum, solely in Spanish for those people that perhaps are uncomfortable or didn't realize we had translation services available for this. So our goal is to reach out to as many people as possible we have a Kathy I don't know if you would like to weigh in on that. I don't know if I can unmute you. If there's something you would like to weigh in on that or we have actually Margaret would our opm is also here this evening. Brian can you unmute Kathy. Yes, and Phoebe Miriam is on to, you know, we're looking at linking up and we Phoebe is already to the, the governor organizations, the parent groups within the schools. And also taking some work out into the community. I mean, this is as you can see a very early stage, but trying to make sure people know what's happening. And at the point the, what the school might look and feel like. I think you've talked about doing some workshops within the schools where people move around to different areas and sort of say, where do you put the library where where is the gym, you know, and really starting to get a think of once once we're getting from just generic options. I think it's difficult. I mean we zoom is one technique but it's clearly a difficult time to think of how we do something where some of this, ideally would be in person, but we are working our way through it. What we're hearing from superintendent is, well hopefully things are calming down a little bit, but there certainly was enough. I'm going to, I'm going to take down my. Thank you. And so everyone can see everyone's faces. That's better. First and the families have been stretched over the last several months, and so we're hoping that with the positive numbers that we're seeing for covert these days that things maybe maybe are turning and so our goal is to continue the outreach, whether in person as Kathy mentioned, or other ways of engaging the different people and and what works best for them. Does anyone have anything else we'll be posting this, we're obviously going to cut some some some of this meeting, but we will be posting this the recording the transcript of course edited, as well as the breakout sessions. So we'll be posting it, and then there was, I actually, if you don't mind it, you can, everything will be posted on the website, I'm just going to get there, and then share with you all. Sorry, I'm going to share share my screen one more time. So we'll be posting this the recording the transcript, what we heard and learned out of the breakout sessions at right here at the Amherst school project website. So I think that more land has been amazing and willing to accept everyone's comments. So if you have anything that you would like to express or share that would be wonderful. The next community forum is March 9 and at that point in time will have concept options for you to look at, along with the associated costs with them. And bringing this to you before we submit it to MSBA, which is the preliminary design program. Margaret, your, your hair is fine. See your face. I don't know if there's anything you would like to add or I really don't other than to thank everyone for coming. So we really appreciate everyone's thoughtful input in this and this is just the beginning and we will continue to have these and hopefully at the next meeting we will have more answers than than we do tonight because this is just the beginning, but we understand we think we understand where the priorities lie within the community and we, our goal is to present everything and a very transparent and open way and we appreciate your questions to us which are not help us make sure that we can verify if we're not clear with what the answers are. And we hope to be back March 9 see you all, and presenting multiple options at that point we have a visioning session, our final visioning session on March on February 17. Welcome to join that that's focused more on educational than it is on the site the buildings renovation addition new construction or sustainability so that's why we wanted to have this separate conversation. On March 17 will be presenting to the school committee, the draft educational program that's coming up, as well as the final one but will be back before you on March 9 with the options that we're considering to submit to MSBA. So thank you everyone. And we really appreciate your time this evening. Thank you. Good night. Thank you. Thank you.