 You asked the question, were either of us surprised by the growing tribalism and particularly, I mean, how primitive it is about skin color and things like that. And I've been surprised how prevalent it is, but you could see this coming, I think so. And it's important that you could see it. And Ayn Rand saw this come. She wrote a lot in the 60s about this is where we're headed to tribalism. Because we had the really sophisticated forms of collectivism that caused incredible death and destruction, communism, fascism, and then tribalism. There's a middle thing, I think, and that's multiculturalism. And a good way to think about multiculturalism is in juxtaposition to the melting pot. So the idea of the melting pot in America was we'll take anybody from anywhere and we'll keep what's good. If you can show us you've got something good, whether it's a good cuisine, good ideas, a good way of doing business, and so on, you're very entrepreneur, we'll take all that. And this was truly a unique idea that the United States is not imposed that the United States offered. But it's simultaneous, so we'll take that and we want you to discard all your garbage. So if you've got ideas about the woman's place should be in the home, so that all is not welcome here. We want what's good about you and you'll have an opportunity now to discard all these shackles, not just political shackles, but all kinds of cultural shackles that kept people, you know, can't be educated and you're just kind of a peasant, you can't aspire to any more intellectual job, all kinds of things if you come. I mean, I'm half Indian, half German. My parents immigrated and they left behind a lot of bad ideas and there's a lot of bad ideas in both cultures. So this is, it's still the level of ideas. It's we'll keep what's good and we're gonna discard what's evil and what multiculturalism did. So there was sort of a fig leaf for it that it's true that other cultures, Americans aren't too good at even knowing about, I'm from Canada and people don't know about Canada. Like they think there's polar bears everywhere. So in terms of education, that okay, you should learn more about other cultures, but what multiculturalism, sort of that's the fig leaf. And the real meaning of it was all cultures are equal. Don't judge cultures. And what that really means is don't dare think America is better than any other culture or more broadly. Don't think Western Enlightenment culture is any better than others. Don't think that any set of ideas is better than any other set of ideas. So what do you need ideas for? And so that's, you can see a movement from a collectivism that's about ideas with communism fashion and so on. To multiculturalism that now is starting to attack the whole idea. No ideas are better than that. And then it's a package deal of ethnicity. So ethnicity is sort of your ideas from the culture that you're in. And the fact that you wear the particular kind of dress and Indians wear saris. This is all your identity. So now your identity is partly ideas and partly all these unchosen things. And that's a movement. And then it's discards the ideas completely and it's all about your whole identity is just everything unchosen. So the best example of this I think would be that every commercial now when they show you all the different types of people and they always show a woman in a hijab. And these are the same people who will say that they're for women's liberation. But then they'll use a symbol that has nothing to do with women's liberation to say the least as a way of identifying this type of person. So it eventually sort of collapses on itself. And notice what happens. It's that to evaluate that the hijab is an instrument of keeping women down. It's about ideas and really bad ideas. It should be discarded. That's racist. But you're dealing now with something that's chosen. But it's that package deal that it's exactly the same as because you've got not a white skin color. You're a little browner. That's as though if you said, well, that's you're no good for that or you're no good. This idea is no good. You can't make that distinction. But this is all my identity and this is all about my culture. And you're criticizing this. And that's the descent into. So then how do you have this conversation when you know that a certain amount of people, if you say, well, I'm not for multiculturalism, the initial reaction, the gut reaction they have is that somehow you must harbor racist views because we should be for all the different colors of the rainbow. I mean, it's why how you communicate is important because people are going to respond that way. You don't want them to shut down. You want them to be able to respond to your ideas. It's why I think the way on kind of introduced it, there are values that some values and positive values in different cultures. But there is a set of ideas out there. Call it the enlightenment ideas. The ideas that were developed in the West that have their origins maybe in Greece but developed in Western Europe and in America. There's a set of ideas that allows for human beings to flourish, that allows for individual human beings to be successful, that allows for the best in whatever culture you are to rise up and explicitly discards all the garbage that's out there. And that that set of ideas is superior. And it's superior for everybody in the world no matter what skin color they have, no matter what ethnicity, no matter what origin they're from. When they adopt a set of ideas, they thrive. And you can see it. You can see when enlightenment ideas adopted a little bit in Asia, when they adopted a little bit in Africa, when they adopted a little bit in the Middle East, those people thrive. So it has nothing to do with the genes. So you have to work extra hard and communicating to get away from the identity policy, get away from race by showing that it is ideas, elevating the discussion away from the tribe to the level of ideas. And this is why, you know, part of why it's, it was in the cards in the sense in the 60s is that we diminish the importance of ideas generally. We diminish the importance of thinking. We diminish the importance of reason. And we diminish the importance of free will. So if you take away free will from people, if they don't have a choice, then what are we? We're just a product of our genes. And our genes happen to be white genes, right? And somebody who's got doxin has slightly different genes than me. So maybe his ideas are different. Maybe what's true, famous. It's truly different than what's true for me because we're different human beings. But so reintroducing free will into the debate. That's where I want to go with this. Reintroducing choice into the debate. Reintroducing ideas, philosophy into the debate and showing how philosophy and ideas and will is what shapes the world. That's how you get around these issues. Elevating the debate to the level of philosophy. All right, so I want to go.