 So the most recent one, which is for April 2019, that is just the raw numbers that were sent over to me by Lieutenant White, just came in on Thursday or Friday last week, and I was out of the office Thursday and Friday last week, so I did not pull that anyone just printed it off. It's very much in keeping as to what things have worked like in the past 297 hours was worked in April by the troopers. The troopers had some leave time or national guard time, so the contract, if you remember and like, you knew for it. If a trooper is going to be away for a long period of time, they'll put somebody into the spot. If a trooper is just going to be on normal vacation or in this case national guard time and they're just away for a week, they just cover that slot with one of the middle sex, the other troopers from the middle sex. So they don't plug somebody into that particular hole directly. There were 44 calls for service in April. You can see them listed there. And 84 traffic stops, 43 tickets were issued. You can see the tickets that were issued. Of those tickets that are issued, you see the fines that go along with that. The two speeding fines are the only two that will generate any income for us if they were written on municipal ordinances. So I don't know from reading this whether they were issued on Gupto Road or Nealon Flats or Route 100. If it was written on Route 100, that will go to the state. But all the others, operation after suspension, use of electronic portable device, which is interesting, they issued 13 tickets for texting or phone calling while driving, which is a fairly high number for one month. And it's nice to see that they're able... Well, so there's actually two of them. It's 13 use of portable electronic device and six texting while driving. So that's 19 tickets that were issued for probably cell phone use. Excellent. And then the registration and inspection. All of those are state law violations of state law and that money will go to the state. You can see the warnings that were issued and so on and so forth. So very much in keeping with what we've seen in the past, I'm not going to talk a lot about the March one in particular. The nine-month period, July through March, which leaves the 10th-month April off, you can see that they responded to 819 calls per service in that nine-month period. And you can see through that, you know, the graph on the third page of when they did some work and then there's a listing of the different types of complaints there. I did include on the last page, the very last page of that traffic control income that we've received. We've budgeted $2,400 for 2019. To date, we've received a little, almost $1,100. So not quite halfway there. My guess is that the, well, they probably won't. I was going to say the auditor may put the $407 that came in in January back to 2018. But because we don't have any records of the tickets, all we're going to do is, you know, post the income. So this will probably be all 2019 months. So I will stop there. If you have questions, I'll do my best to answer them. Mark Mateo has expressed a willingness to continue putting the graphs together. But as I said, for April, I just thought today so I didn't have a chance to get it to him. But I'll send that to him. And he'll put it into the same format that all the others are on and we'll get it posted on the website. I knew the state was considering up in the fines for cell phone use, texting and whatnot while driving. The average year on $230, texting while driving $1,380 provided by $6,230 lack. I'm curious to know if they did end up raising that, those fines. I haven't heard yet whether they did or not. They're still wrangling about paid family leave and minimum wage right now. So those seem to be the two last things they're trying to get put through and the Democrats in each chamber of the House can't decide which of the two is more important and they're not compromising either one of them. True knows, something will pass but right now if the Governor vetoed either one I'm not sure the veto would be sustained even though the Democrats control everything. Isn't that a little disheartening? It depends on how you feel about the bill. It's been a whole session trying to accomplish something. Any questions, people? Comments? The community meetings there, isn't it one monthly community get together there with the police officers? What are the dates on that? I'm not sure. You're going to meet the next one. I'm going to get changed to once a month, I think. Thursday. It's a Thursday. I think it's the fourth Thursday of the month at 6. I'll check and make sure that I'll email it to you. This time of year is hell for me and my business and to keep up with all that stuff I would probably attend them if I was aware of them but I'll have the door in the morning and don't get back too late. Okay, I guess. So you can go back to the public hearing. So Steve, this is a public hearing? It is a public hearing. So you have to officially call the public hearing to order. Public hearing to order. So this is a public hearing on interim signed by law amendments and members of the planning commission are here. We worked with Alyssa Johnson who's also here on this draft. It was really initiated by revitalizing library as a way to assist businesses during the main street reconstruction. It's a project that I believe has been done and branded quite successfully. And the concept is that these are banners that could be placed flat against the facade of businesses. In the main street area there's a map that's part of this bylaw amendments. It's the third page and it basically mimics most of the designated downtown along North and South Main Street and it extends all the way down to Deco Beverage and on the north all the way up to basically the railroad and takes in all the properties on both sides of Main Street and the side streets. And the concept is that each business could produce a banner. Interim bylaws are good for two years from the date that they're adopted and then they can be extended for one year. So the timeframe coincides well with the reconstruction of Main Street. We worked with revitalizing library to come up with some guidelines on what these banners would look like, the size and location and the design. So basically the banners could be no greater than 16 feet, minimum of 2 feet by 2 feet. As I mentioned they'd be placed against the facade of the building, one banner per business and they would follow the design guidelines basically using the brand standards that were developed with cultural associates and have been used widely in terms of color, font and so on. And as I mentioned it would be effective through for the two-year period and then it could be extended for one year with a vote of the slide board. These would be exempt so they would not require a zoning permit as long as they follow the guidelines and for some reason something happens and a banner is too large or if it doesn't comply then that becomes an enforcement issue. The zoning would take care of it. I don't believe that's been any issue. And Brandon would be a program that R.W. would assist in terms of development. So we talked about the area that this would encompass and then there are some banner design guidelines that are on page 4 and these were developed by Lyssa. This went through the board of the Rewind Alliance in Waterbury so Lyssa and Karen worked with the board to get there and put and then there's a page that's a sample of different banners. There would be an area that would be up to 30% of the banner that could have the logo, the name lettering, so on for the business. You can see there's proud flowers on the floor, so on and so on and those would not have to follow the design guidelines. The whole idea is to promote the identity of these businesses and give them a chance to let people know that they're open, that this is the product that they have to offer and so on. So it's pretty basic. It's meant to be part of a program to assist businesses and just give one more tool that businesses can use throughout the reconstruction of Main Street. Is there anybody here to speak about any of the issues here? I don't know if Lyssa or I was applying to the mission if there was anything you wanted to add? Turn it off. Can you pass that over there, please? I'm sorry. Can you pass it from the other side of the memory? The record of everybody is here. Ken, is that mic on yet? I don't know, is it? Is it? There's a green light there on the other side. Sounds like it. It is now. Good. All right. Ken Bellow, chair of the Planning Commission. The only thing that I wanted to add is that, as Steve already mentioned, Lyssa came with the idea to the Planning Commission and we had some discussion about it. And as part of that discussion involving Steve, we agreed an interim bylaw seemed to make a lot of sense if for no other reason because the timeframe that you can have an interim bylaw coincides with the expected construction period or reconstruction of Main Street. So it's a good fit in that regard. It also means that you don't have to amend your zoning regulations and then have these things which no longer are applicable be sitting in the men of your silent wreck. So this sits as its own little scan alone thing. And so under interim zoning, the Planning Commission doesn't necessarily have an official role. We are not required to have a public hearing. In fact, we didn't have a public hearing. We had public meetings, as all our meetings are. But we kind of did the light work on this with RW and with Steve and we decided that we would make a recommendation so that you would know that we were in support of it. And it seemed like a good idea, I think for a lot of the businesses, anxiety is likely to be high during the reconstruction. And this is something that businesses feel is helpful. Certainly there's going to be enough clutter on Main Street for the next couple of years. So it seemed like the right thing to do. So those are all mine. So I've got a question for you if you don't mind. It says interim sign bylaw amendments. But yet it basically speaks to banners. So I guess out of ignorance, is a banner just considered a one type of sign? I guess the reason I'm asking that is because it says here one of your paragraphs, banners displayed as freestanding ground sign shall be prohibited. Can you elaborate a little bit on what that might look like, a freestanding banner? Are we talking about a saw horse type thing? My view of freestanding banner is a flak. But just on my ordinary life experience is being in the world. So I don't know what else you would have. I think what it would prohibit if somebody decided to take a couple of trash cans and fill them up with trash and put a couple of poles in it and I'm going to string my banner across it and we're going to put it out there by the road, then that would cover that scenario and so what we're proposing is that you can't do that. Put it on the building. So the reason I ask that is I'm just curious there, down to Hender's Bakery there, she's got the little sandwich board. Yeah, and that's in no way, shape, form. So this is in addition to the sign that would be allowed under the current regulations. Now whether Hender's sign is in compliance with our zoning regulations or not, that I don't know, I quit the sign enforcement business about nine months ago. No, I'm just curious to know what type of sign that would be in comparison to the banner and maybe Alyssa can... The sandwich board sign is what those are typically referred to. Yeah, and they're allowed, they're also exempt. They're to be taken in at night. They're able to be taken in at night. They can't block the sidewalk. There's a square footage rule on them. They can be two-sided up there. So you can have both of the sandwich board and one of the sandwiches. Very good. Thank you. Hi everyone. Alyssa, I'm the Development Director. One quick note to Chris's point is just one of the reasons we talked about facades is just to try and create some, we'll say equity between businesses along Main Street. So if you have Mark's building, which really the only place you could put a sign is on front of it versus some folks farther down south to me who have a nice yard and could really spread things out against the building was kind of the level playing field that anyone on Main Street could do. I just wanted to add a quick note of thanks to Steve and the Planning Commission, who amidst a really busy unified development by-law relay have taken multiple leading times to help perfect and add feedback, as was noted by Ken and Steve. This seems like a really appropriate vehicle. And just add some background that this came out of meetings we had before there was, you know, shovels in the ground many months ago with just a business owner requesting this and saying that they wanted the ability to have a banner. So while the current regulations do allow that for, you know, maybe three weeks, this was kind of a way to allow this for a longer point. And then also just note that while obviously we couldn't commit you all to saying anything or anything like that, I do have over 10 folks who are interested and said that, you know, if something like this was to pass, they would be wanting to sign up. And again, just marrying Brandon in that by having some guidelines, the goal was to give some flexibility for the messaging that each folks want and, you know, their own brand standard, but also try and keep things a little consistent throughout town. Thanks. I want to compliment you on the, I want to compliment you on the examples because they definitely are attractive and kind of tell the story of how they could brighten up the main street during construction. They're nice examples. Thank you. I'm going to give a little total credit for that. I also got together with Bill and Bill provided some good input about the enactment authority and enforcement. So we had Bill's comments in as well. You reviewed it. So do these have like a sunset date when this goes away? Right. So if you enact them tonight, for instance, they will expire two years from tonight. And then if you desire, they can be extended for another year. I believe we have to hold another policy. Right. And that's in keeping with what Ken said. The construction is supposed to be 2019 through 2021. So this may expire, we hope, just a few months before the project finishes up and then one final extension to get us over the finish line and then they'll just automatically retire. Yes? Yes, sir. Thank you. Just as an example. Can you hear me all right? Yep. Bruce Bieland, attorney at law. Ray Van Voris, doctor of chiropractic. They have both talked to me about taking their existing signs which are on a post out in the middle of the lawn, which both cases will be affected by the attachment of the sewer line and so forth. Is there any reason they can't take their existing sign and place it on their porch in front or right on the side of their door with a couple hooks that just hangs down? I'll have to spend a waste of time and money to do something different. That may be a zoning issue. I think if they're interested in doing that they should talk to Dina. It may, if a sign is going to be relocated it typically requires a zoning permit. It doesn't mean it can't be done. Signs typically need to be outside of the street right of way or get permission from the slack board like the wine shop sign. I think the answer to your question is that may very well be an option but it would probably be a different process than this one. My thought would be if we were to inject which is had to do today a little common sense in reality it probably would work damn well and I would hope that you would take into advisement. That's what the planning commission does or use Dave or whatever. So thank you for that. Any questions? 8951. Send me a text or email and we'll chat. Go ahead Bill. Just to be certain while this bylaw authorizes or enables these banners they do still require permits right? No these would be exactly correct. Like the banner that Alyssa mentioned for three weeks. We want to make this process as simple as possible. Good. Then in that case it certainly seems that whatever it was talking about would be nice if you can do that. I'm not saying that you can. I'm just saying it would be nice to allow that sign to be put up on the building on the front porch as opposed to having to go to the expense and have a banner made. That's just my comment. You don't have to answer it. I would agree with that. I don't think a taxpayer business should be if they have an existing sign and they want to hang it on their porch or something like that should have to go through another zoning process. The whole process is really due to the big thing. I just think they shouldn't have to one make their new sign and two shouldn't be at any cost. I think you probably have to also take into consideration whether or not if they made that change if they'd want to go back to put it on the original positioning on the lawn. Afterwards. Right afterwards. If that could be a condition of the So this would be the existing ground sign? Is that the idea? That's what he's talking about. Relocating that. Now, I don't know if it's too late to make an amendment or even if we could even do that. Let me just speak to this. The existing ground signs were all inventoryed as part of the Main Street reconstruction projects. The ones that were in the right of way and needed to be relocated agreements were reached with the owners. There was funding provided to relocate the sign. So I'm reluctant to add language in here that involves moving permanent so-called signs. I think we can certainly work with Dina to try to facilitate a process if someone does want to do that and make it as easy as possible. But I really would prefer to keep it separate from this process just because it's part of the project. The signs are very integral to the Main Street project. Last question and it kind of pertains. You said you had 10 people possible that were interested in the banners. I know it's a little early stage, but have you gotten any input pro or con as to how the project reconstruction project is affecting anybody? You know, we're still early into it. I think generally folks are appreciative of as I think we all are. I personally am Jay McDonald's approach and where they did start, but I do also want to emphasize there are certainly businesses in that area. Barfars and myself, but especially Barb, everyone's done a great job being really accommodating and working with folks. I do have one business that's pretty walk-in, driver by, pass by centric so to speak and that's the one with the most impact. The rest tend to be more the service providers. Unfortunately, they have kind of established clientele and folks have just planned a little extra time and been okay to get in. So, you know, short of that one particular business that had expressed concerns overall, you know, aside from just some inconvenience in terms of business revenues, folks have been okay as far as I'm aware in this section. And just to go back to the banner, this is additional signage. So whatever gets determined about the pole banner side in front in like best case scenario, you could have your, you know, sign that you've always had plus a new one. So, just more. Yeah, I'll recuse myself. And then I was basically going to say the same thing. I think most of us who have businesses through this corridor have designed our signs to basically maximize the amount of square footage that we were allowed. This gives us an opportunity. I think this is a really nice opportunity, especially not having to go through additional permitting and just know that as long as you follow the guidelines, you can make these signs. I think that's what this is. Separate that idea that this has anything to do with their normal signs and the rules associated with this. This is just in addition to, for the two years that we're going to be dealing with the difficulty of being in business during the construction. I think this is a really nice opportunity of being in business during the construction. I think probably through the construction process that these banners would be one of the least ugliest things to be looking at. So, unless there's any more comments or question Ian. Right. That should be May 20th on page two under effective period. What's that? Everett? Anyone else? Yeah, this is the third line on the second page. Elsa made note of that. It should read May 20th, 2019. I just left Elsa zero there. If everybody else is all set like we are I can take a motion to approve the interim signed by-law amendments for May 20th. That's also on the front of the top of the page. I'll make the motion. Yeah, it's changed that to May 20th. I'll make a motion at the interim signed by-law amendment is effective as of this date May 20th, 2019. I second the motion. Further discussion? I think everybody's happy. All those in favor of approving say aye. Aye. Yeah, we warned them on May 2nd so that was part of the confusion. The draft was dated May 2nd because that's when the warning went out. That's what Bill and I agreed on but it will definitely, the adopted version will say May 20th. Michael. Steve may be the best one to answer this. A lot of communities I know when they have kind of projects like this a lot of times that the entries to the community they have it looks like almost DOT type signs that in such businesses or open during construction I've seen that in various projects. It's usually towns of similar size to ours. I know Barry had signs on Summer Street and so on. I think there's a committee that's met. Alyssa, there's some signage with maps that are going to go up. Is that right? Near between the reservoir and Colby and McGill studies? Yes, that's right. My understanding of VTrans project specific kind of showing the sentiments and the timeline. I've had that discussion but I'll make an addition to follow up. We haven't talked about flashing but just larger listed sign there was some my understanding is like AOT thing about they can say businesses but not names because then that gets into advertising but we'll see if we can work something out. Could you put a banner that just says something generic like, I mean a colored banner like this that would be kind of eye catching that might be like Waterbury where open for business or something like that? We could possibly do something on the banner post. That might be a possibility we could talk to work with Bill around. Some kind of a catchy little phrase or logo or something. Okay. Well, we've got to be careful about that with the artwork. Thank you Steve. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thanks. Nice job. Thank you planners. Okay. Oh, that's right too. I'll take a motion to end the public meeting please. So moved. Second. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Thank you. Chris for Memorial bench. You have a letter there. You can come up here if you'd like. Chris. I'm Chris. My name is Chris Culeba. I'm a resident of Waterbury Center. Been resident for about three years now before I was from Duxbury. So, I am here on behalf of the friends and family of Eli Brookins. As many of you likely know, Eli was one of the young people that was taken from our community in the fall of 2016. You're likely also in the news right now. It's going through the trial phase and what have you. A number of memorials have been established for the youth. Mostly grounded at the high school. Those youth have been memorialized as a collective. Obviously, we've seen the five stars in the holiday period. A lot of deep there have been scholarship funds and other memorials set up for some of the other youth that lived in the valley. And the thought that has emerged from the family and friends group for Eli as being the sole young person who was taken from our community here in Waterbury. Waterbury Duxbury was to consider a memorial for him that would have a lasting remembrance for Eli here in the community. Eli was a pretty special young man. Eli was one of the best athletes we've probably seen come through our community in a very long time. He played baseball on these fields and he also played soccer and was an avid soccer player. Went through Waterbury Rec programs and was a star on our high school team and was memorialized during his time as being a mentor to youth to being a role model to being young man that gave 200 percent, not 100 percent but 200 percent to the pursuit of what he undertook. And again another thing that really stands out is his mentoring. He looked and supported young people and inspired them and his memory would do that a memorial to inspire him would inspire our youth. So what we were proposing is that the select board consider a memorial remembrance for him on town property given his connection to this piece of land out here and the amount of time that he spent the amount of joy that he had during his time on these fields we're proposing that a memorial bench and perhaps an heirloom tree be planted in a location that is amenable to the town and the public works department. Our intention is to raise all funds to build the bench to identify the bench and the tree and for the installation of that we are not anticipating a high maintenance remembrance no flowers, no annuals and what have you the family has some thoughts about possible locations but we would be open to working with the public works department and others to cite it in a spot that makes the most sense the current thinking is perhaps along the ridge line here on the berm above overlooking the fields but other possibilities would be there I understand obviously when you're considering these things probably there's two criteria at least one is the exceptionalism of the person that would be memorialized as a community outstanding community member we would all agree that he fits that bill and if you're needing further evidence I'm sure we've got many more folks that would be happy to share some of the remembrance of Eli and his legacy secondly obviously is the cost to the town we have very good sense to it through we haven't started the fund raising because we want to get the green light from you but we would do a GoFundMe project as well as a community event that would probably raise additional resources so we're anticipating that we will raise more more than enough money to build this remembrance so with that I've submitted letters to all of you as well as Bill Woodruff and I've had brief chat with Bill and Bill said go through these channels but I'd be happy to chat more with Bill and find out from his crew what the concerns or needs would be for us to proceed so I thank you for the opportunity and I'm happy to respond and answer any questions Any sense of what the bench would be constructed of? The idea would be it would be constructed of wood that like a cedar or a hemlock something that would be durable sealed we could do a pressure treated as well if you have other thoughts if wrought iron is more durable would likely be a little more expensive but we can pursue that we have a number of wood workers in the community that we're considering approaching with helping us with the design weather-proofed something that would last and be durable would certainly be something that you would want to consider I would consider granite too I know the cost is up there but a lot of those may not be granite Rack of ages might be willing to work with you realizing the impact this had not just our community but as Vermont is all Exactly, thank you I think this is a great idea I'd better get up here no great idea he was a fine young man actually one of my son-in-law was the assistant coach at Howard I just was curious if you can go back in your minutes and see what the guidelines were when Brian Lunders son had the bench put up in the town in the park there and there's another bench there which I don't know who that is but there may be some guidelines from there that would follow this I agree with Mack Friar that granite is more expensive but it's also not going right away the main that's on it would be pretty minimal whatever I can't imagine you won't get congregations we would definitely be willing to look into that for sure if you went back and looked at what Brian's situation was and the other one up there in the town might give you some insight into what might want to be welcome I can speak to one of those two benches because I was involved over 15 years ago I guess with a group of people putting in a memorial bench to our neighbor Emily Montayer who was a wonderful daycare provider for lots of families in the Waterbury Center and I think we're very happy to raise the money and put the bench in I think I have some concerns or some requests that the town come up with some guidelines for benches of this type because what's happened to that particular bench which is in the little green in front of the Grange there at the center green is that it had a brush stone kind of drainage underneath the bench but and then a couple of marble slabs but they've sort of settled and now that it's been a number of years one of the legs of the bench is starting to list a little bit so it's an awkward situation because you have some private citizens that put the bench in the town didn't put it in it's not really their responsibility one of the three people in charge has moved out of town so we've just been discussing actually myself and one of the other people involved how we're going to fix the situation so so I guess that highlights that we I think it's time that we come up with some guidelines and whatever they may be staff because we've had a number of requests or memorial benches put in and I think stone is a great idea but this gives you just an example of one that was well-intentioned and looked great when it was just put in but now over time it needs a better footing or foundation that went down to for us so anyway I'm supportive but I think the town needs to come up with some guidelines thanks also we got in the tree on the water very tree committee Steve lots beach access the tree warden so I think it would be terrific to work with Steve and that group some expertise I'm picking a tree the right kind of tree I happen to be a landscape architect so I have some thoughts on that myself thanks well I just was going to say what what Jane did I know the bench that ever talked about we did give permission to the family to put that in my recollection is that the family basically designed it said this is what they wanted the same thing happened within the tear bench the same thing happened with the bench for I'll read out here that we allowed it to go but I concur with Jane I think if we're going to do this we need two things one more important than the other one is a design kind of criteria in that because it really if we're going to let it be put into our facilities once it's installed maybe the town should be responsible for it at that point if we're going to let it be put in I don't think it's reasonable to ask people 15 years down the road to not come up with money for something in the second thing I mentioned and I'm not arguing in this case I think this is a perfectly appropriate request but there should be some criteria as to who we're going to do this with what are the circumstances when we'll install the memorial bench for here I was interested that you said up here on the banking I think really at this field that's really the only place we can do it the bench if it's going to be permanent at all we have issues with floods we certainly don't want ice flowing through and knocking the thing over the same thing with with a tree would be potentially damaged so if we're going to find a spot for it if the family and friends really want to be at this facility I think here on Main Street or it could be at the other end but it's much less visible there if we're going to put it here we'll just have to make sure that we situate it such that it doesn't get damaged by sidewalk snow piles and stuff how quickly before you ask the question Mike how quickly you think so we could be raising the money within the matter of two months or so there is a desire among the family to at least do something in terms of a remembrance his Eli's sister is going away for international study in the fall and the other thought that I would have is something that would counter some of the little negative tastes that people are feeling right now so something within the next ideally few months I understand the need for getting regulations in place to sustain these kind of projects my sense would be for different load bearings of different types of benches that there's fairly straightforward engineering approaches that shouldn't be terribly difficult to figure out I think it's actually an opportunity you're coming here is kind of underscores it's an opportunity for us to take this seriously and deal with it because we've talked about it before but it was a couple of years ago and I think we can come up with design criteria and we can have you know more than one design that is acceptable to us so that way every single one doesn't have any carbon copy but I'll work with Steve and Bill Woodruff on this if you go ahead and approve then you can start your fundraising anytime I would imagine so can we just make a motion to approve based on final design and placement I'll make a motion to approve the memorial bench for Eli Brookins pending final design and placement criteria I second that motion has been made and seconded is there further discussion I just wanted to follow off to Bill's comment I do think in terms of the second comment and this is no I think the person memorialized is very just but I think I'm more concerned when I first read this is my concern was can any Tom Dick and Harry you know there has to be either some criteria it comes before the select board simple if we think it meets that test I don't know if we could come up to test of what people do to be memorialized but I think this is very worthy but I think in the future you could have my dog Titty you know coming up with a criterion that you're going to measure it by is a lot easier than when somebody is sitting in front of you asking you decide you're not worthy you know so having the criteria in place you can always overrule it if you want well we could also with a little time maybe look at some other communities probably there's some guidelines out there yeah I just like to put this out on the table too just to kind of stick in your head a little bit you know the the guidelines also they need to reflect consideration for how much of this in the future will take place at some point it could start to impact the facilities themselves and what they were intentionally meant for you know so it's just something that you need to keep in our minds there as we move forward with this as well worthy worthy right that being said there's been a motion made in seconded are there any other comments saying none all those in favor say aye hi hi hi okay behalf of the family friends thank you we'll look at the bill and the other bill and Steve and appreciate you making the affordances here and we look forward to working with you thank you very much and will you be the contact person? I will be the contact yes thanks I'll be chatting so at the beginning you folks approve the consent agenda which included the liquor license which I forgot to send around before Carla gets a chance to scold me please please sign I was going to ask you about that Bill we're safe now Bill okay managers items discussion about cannabis what are my not so favorite subjects well because you've talked to me about it it's part of the reason why it's on here tonight just an update as to what's going on in the legislature and I'm not the authority on the subject in terms of its negotiation through the legislative process but I did have an accountancy management conference on Thursday and Friday and the folks from VLCT gave a legislative update to let us know where all the bills of interest for the municipalities across the state stood in and we had a lot of discussion this one came up and I thought it would be helpful for you to know what things look like right now so I remember it was a year ago when the legislature allowed possession of marijuana and you could grow plants I don't remember how many and I don't remember how much but you can grow plants and possess a certain amount of marijuana for your own consumption there has been numerous cases documented around the state a couple here in Waterbury that I had to pass along to law enforcement where people were saying come and stay at my bed and breakfast and pay $40 to park and as a parting gift marijuana that is not legal they were saying they weren't selling it they were just giving it part of some other business promotion so the law enforcement agencies have been dealing with that issue across the state there was talk this year that tax and regulate bill might be introduced and might be passed where pick your state Colorado, Massachusetts places that allow for sale and taxation of marijuana it does not appear that that is going to pass this year there's still too many things up in the air the governor has been very adamant that he wants some type of roadside testing there's been a lot of discussion about this saliva test and the efficacy of it whether it tells you anything or not but it does not appear that this is going to come to pass what has become clear is that if it is taxed and regulated they will set up a new agency or new division to do the regulation they will not put it under the department of liquor control and my speculation is they don't want it to go under the department of liquor control for two reasons one the state is in the business of selling liquor and I don't think the state wants to be in the business of selling marijuana because right now it's not legal on a federal basis so the state doesn't want to put the regulation of this under the department of liquor control because they don't want to have anything to do with it as a middleman so to speak like they are with liquor the other thing that it's not an absolute right now but the committees that have had jurisdiction over this the judiciary committees I imagine have suggested that if if they proceed next year the way that the leadership is talking about now is that it will be available for consumption for purchase taxation and consumption statewide everywhere and municipalities will have to opt out if they don't want to allow it in their communities so as opposed to what some thought was more likely going to happen that it would be regulated through a taxable transaction that towns would have to opt into it it seems the direction it's going now and this can all change of course is that the direction it seems to be going now is that this will be legal unless the voters in your community say it won't be legal that's a very different hurdle or bar to climb so there's no action that you need to take now I'm not here to say you should or should do this or that but I think that if this usually if bills pass during the legislative session they become effective July 1st in the year that they're passed now it could be that they decide and say let this pass at the end of next year's legislative session they may say this will be effective July 1st 2021 January 1st 2021 normally a bill that passes in the legislative session now will go into effect July 1st of the year passes so if you want to have conversations about this discussions about this you ought to have you ought to start thinking about what you want to talk about before too long I think because if you wait until the last minute and it passes and it's available July 1st then we don't have a lot of time to act and again I'm just giving you this as information it's not to suggest you do one thing or the other but I thought it would be helpful for you to know where things stand right now and what things look like from the perspective of VLCT at this point Chris yes sir didn't the city do what the city council will not allow the sale rules city of Newport's ordinance speaks to medical marijuana dispensaries ever and up until now there's been no ability to regulate to say anything about the prohibition or the allowance of retail sales of recreational marijuana because that's not allowable by state law yet and I think that's why the folks at the league of cities and towns brought this to our attention on Friday last week is because as I just said if this gets into the process next year and it passes and it's a done deal and you can buy it anywhere on July 1st it's hard to do otherwise so I just want the board to be aware of it so you can start formulating your own questions whether it's an issue you want to talk about with the public here or not that's your choice so is there any discussion on the regulation of retail venues that it will be available or can the place where you buy your beer, you buy your weed in a place where you buy your groceries as weed and you know I think it's will be more prescribing than that I think that you know you'll have to have a license from the state I don't think it's going to be you can go to any you know mom and pop hardware store and buy it I don't believe that's the case then I mean Vermont has got some pretty loose laws I mean we now have a hardware store in Plainfield where you can get a pint so that would be concerning to me that if it was that widely distributed as is beer as is wine in the state you can pretty much buy it anywhere yeah but it changes when you get into liquor and I have a feeling they're going to control it a lot closer to how they control liquor where it's a very few people have licenses to do that the big difference being that they control the inventory of the liquor as a state where here I would expect them to have what they've been doing with medical marijuana is they've kind of been picking regions I don't know how they would do it to make it fair here and I would expect to see significantly more licenses than they currently have for medical but it's a rather arduous arduous and expensive process just to get the licensing to get those permits and then I would expect to see similar to how other states have done it where they're pretty much fully their own venue I don't think I'm not sure if I know of any state that's doing what you're talking about where it would just be in the mix of other things yeah that's how I believe it's proceeding as well that there'll be certain restrictions but I know from at least from Colorado is examples you know it's a very much intensive business because nobody nobody's going to loan you money if it's a federal if it's not approved federally to have a retail dispensary pretty much be a cash business I heard a report about Massachusetts that initially they were a lot of there was a thinking that this was going to be a good thing for small businessmen or you know people who business people it could be a good business for a wide diversity of people and what's actually happened was it's only people who have a lot of money or access to a lot of funds and security that they can get into this business so it's pretty much just what you're seeing is pretty much rules out the little guy they're not making any money out of this at all and so I think the towns had planned for it to be more widespread and what's actually happened is the opposite so people are feeling kind of like they got chipped like sort of disenfranchised they went and did all this planning and then it hasn't worked out that way and from what I understand that I won't get the numbers rights at the high tax level that they're talking about now and it was interesting that they had initially proposed that any town that sold it would get a tax of two percent they quickly cut that to one percent I'm not saying that it's worth it but it was interesting that that they're looking a lot at how much is in this for the state as well so anyway where was that cut to one percent Bill? That was in the draft legislation that was moving through this year but of course nothing passed so it's kind of moved it will it will be taken back up next year in the second year by any so of course this probably gets under my skin more the so than most people I've seen the impact of this with different people that I'm associated with in my lifetime that quite honestly hasn't benefited them it ruins in my opinion it ruins a person's motivation and drive to want to be do anything have any aspirations or be successful in anything in life and it just it's another thing for society to be what the right word is sidetracked just another reason for them not to pay attention in life and probably stepping over a line here but not giving themselves a right to have their full potential and for me I thought that the legislative report there that I read was a little bit over heavy handed by our state legislators basically you will allow this to happen in your community no matter what now it sounds like they may be adjusting that a little bit but well there was a given the town some form of opt out based on voter approval or disapproval right as I understand it there was fairly the first legislation talked about if you want to do it you had to opt in that it was prohibited unless you voted to do it that has now been flipped where it's allowed unless you vote against doing it and that's a significant change because the first way it's not available anywhere unless some town decides to do it this way if it goes through as they're suggesting now it will be allowed everywhere unless the town says no anyway you can talk about it all you want tonight my intention wasn't to put this on tonight to have a big debate about the pros and cons of it we all have our own personal feelings I'm sure I just wanted you to understand that right now it's looking like the opt out will be the way it will be introduced next year and if it's going to be allowable as of July 1st you know the time is short so keep your eyes and ears open I just wondered if there was anything that we could do to forward a letter to our representatives to encourage them to give towns at least some say as to whether or not we want it as part of our community isn't that what they're doing they're basically saying either way you have an option well I just wondered if there should be a little bit of reinforcement from from the town at least our town other towns can speak for themselves but they're going to do what they do up there on their own unless they hear from us from the different towns encouraging them one way or the other and I mean I don't know how the rest of the board members feel about this type of thing I'll give you a for example I was up looking at a project where the foundation was getting put into the project and I just happened to arrive at lunchtime and the last thing that happened before the workers one of the workers went back to work and there was only two of them as he had a dope pipe stuck in his mouth and he was stuck in the air through that thing like no tomorrow is his last breath and that's the thing this definition of recreational has become basically full time and I hear it from employers all over in the construction world that their acceptance of this type of thing has escalated because it's become the norm and that's just from a liability standpoint from an insurance liability standpoint I don't know how that affects companies if something should happen to one of those workers I'll come out and say that I think it should be taxed unregulated I think it's similar to how alcohol you wouldn't want an employee to be sitting there drinking a bottle of vodka before they get behind a piece of equipment either so I think that that's on a lot of ways the employer to start to learn to create their own rules but I think the opportunity here is a the taxation of it the regulation of it for safety reasons but also just to start to own the supply chain I think right now I personally believe that it will eventually be federally legal and you're starting to see similar to the tipping point of alcohol back in the prohibition era that states are the tipping points happening but the opportunity here is that Vermont could own its entire supply chain which those mean jobs those can also mean rural jobs so I think we have to really talk through why we as a community would say no to this because the money is just going to go up the street or down the street I don't I personally think it's no more dangerous than alcohol and alcohol is a business that I'm in and a lot of other people partake in it just needs regulation and rules but I don't think we should necessarily consider not strongly considering the options around it so let me ask you a question do you think that you'll ever beat the underground market I think the danger there is the tax rate I think the tax rate can either help to eliminate the underground market or keep it strong and alive call me a libertarian which I feel I am but I do think whether it be marijuana whether it be booze whether it be other stuff it's all personal responsibility that people take and I think towns may be off if there are some towns that are going to take advantage of it and it could be you know financially viable there are farmers who growing it and I think for people who use it responsible I don't have a real problem with it those who don't use it responsibly you know there should be you know consequences just like you say you know if you have employees who are using drinking or smoking dope you know you have to make a decision on whether you want to keep them as employees but I think our town really we have to look at what the consequences are by going not allowing the sale of cannabis you know in our community because there are going to be potentially some entrepreneurs that can make some money out of it and also it's a legal way it gets people out of you know the corners buying you know drugs I think there are a lot of people who probably would like to just like buying a bottle of booze and I think there are a number of people who do use it responsible you know I think they should be an outlet for them so it isn't a very emotional thing and maybe it's something we're going to have to wrestle with well I'm sure I'd probably stand pretty much alone on the way I feel about this but you know I totally totally understand where you're coming from okay we have a little time to plan and I think we need to be smart look what just happened to some other communities there are unknowns but there are also some examples of the way things have gone so I guess my bigger concern is out of the 80 people that are responsible there's 20 that aren't and the 20 always impact somebody else and that's where I kind of I kind of go off the deep end ever in today's free press there's an article from Maine and I don't recall if it was the lady governor or some counselor but they said they were looking at it and trying to not get involved with the mistakes that have made in Colorado and some of their mistakes and the other thing that concerns me is when it we have the likes of the lieutenant governor spending some time at a local restaurant bar etc participating in the great event and probably without a doubt on that particular weekend every marijuana law was broken and there's nobody in no way to control it and there could be others in other restaurants in the Wannaberry area one of our appointed individuals who was here this evening said it was something that would bring some money into our community well if we're that bad off I don't think we ought to be looking at that and it's also from my perspective and I saw it in my years of ambulance 6.30 one morning we responded to a call on Randall street where a person had been taking cocaine the night before in that morning and my amateur questioning capability his wife finally admitted and went and got the cocaine and brought it out to me he was employed in the state of Vermont and he got reported to the amp and he still continued to have his job and nothing went on this past weekend I think it was last Saturday and Sunday wasn't there an event at the Champlain Valley exposition for people to go and learn how to raise amp and do much in some reality it's just another step to be becoming an addict in my opinion and invent some articles in the free press recently of three females I think it was that have finally come to reality common sense and they're now on the way to recovery and one of the people said that she would never want to be that way again so it's nothing that's easy for you and slight board members but the general public unfortunately as Mark said most people including me when I was younger probably sometimes great more than you should in that particular role but I hope that Phil sticks to his guns and it has to be some type of a some test to prove that he personally is under the influence of drugs particularly when he killed somebody who had a bad accident and could have killed somebody Saturday morning at about 8.45 there was a friend of mine coming down from Stowell just this side of the bear run a lot there this side of Moscow turn two cars in front of her the car drifted to the left Roller on his roof maybe he was texting maybe he was talking on the phone or maybe he was hiding from alcohol or marijuana but it's just one step toward more criminal activity and deaths unnecessary thank you and good luck with your progress with this unfortunate situation okay people last thing on the agenda managers compensation left you want to come up it's a week or so skipper players set out a letter interested in forming a committee of one of the Edward Farrar Water Sewer District members and a couple of the select board but I think we can probably get through this tonight with lefties that's here and the board as a whole typically in the past well Bill you can probably refresh our memory better than I can as far as last year we got what 2% and can you explain a little bit about the vehicle status at this point in time age of the car and that works with your compensation so I've I've been here as you know since 1988 and when the when the boards hired me then in November of 1987 when we came to agreement that I was going to start here in March you know they set my salary and then they told me that well we have a car for the municipal manager to use you can use it for your you know personal use as well as your as well as your business use unlimited no restrictions on that use I try not to drive it to my parents house in Massachusetts and stuff like that but and I typically use it on the job but there have been times when my wife has needed our car and I've used it for parents in the lake so I do use it for work and personal use I pay taxes on the value of the personal use of it you know according to the IRS regulations anyway the car was purchased I believe in 2009 I sent you something out I didn't bring it with me because I didn't know this was going to be talked about I thought you were just forming a committee but it's fine the way you talk last weekend there we kind of needed to get through it no I mean Edward for our commission is appointed lefty at the last meeting and I thought you folks said this last time that you were going to appoint your members and I hope that's your committee you can do what you want the car was purchased in 2009 I think 2008 and you know it's got about 80,000 miles on it 80,000 miles something like that and it's starting to show a little bit of where it's been a good car but you know we've already paid more this year for vehicle maintenance than we budgeted because you know it was the top winter and the front end is old and you know had about $1,400 worth of of repairs and on that memo I think I kind of calculated out purchase price and went all the way through what's been spent today so my point was that I'm still driving the car now and there's nothing unsafe about the car I'm perfectly happy to continue using it for now if I'm still here when the time comes to replace the car my recommendation to you would be don't buy another car for the municipal manager you'll have to compensate me for the fact that you've been supplying me a car all these years at least that would be my hope because that is part of my compensation but the reason I say don't buy another car for the manager is because more and more the car for me is used for community I drive to work and then I drive home I go to meetings in Montpelier occasionally I go to meetings like I had last weekend in St. Albans but those are fewer and fire me truly it's not like the old days back in the late 80s through the 90s before we had a public works director before we had the public works director the highway foreman the water and sewer superintendents there were direct reports to me now they report to Bill Woodruff Bill Woodruff has a truck he's out, he goes to job sites he's back and forth outside all of which I used to do in the car but now comes out of my garage in the morning comes here, sits here until I go home and sits there and it comes time to hire the next municipal manager either the car will have been sold and I'm still here or I decide I'm going to retire and you decide that you don't want me to work here anymore and you get rid of the car before you hire somebody else because I don't think it makes sense for the manager to have a car anymore it would be more appropriate for the town I think and be more of a value for the town if the recreation director had a vehicle I sometimes when I'm not using it and Nick has to drive from here up to Hope Davey Field for something or even to the ice center or the swimming pool or wherever he's going right now when he goes in his own vehicle we've got to pay a mileage so my car is sitting out there and he's not hauling anything just take my car and go we're paying for it already but it would probably be more appropriate for the recreation department to have a vehicle whether that would be a vehicle like a pickup truck that is a work vehicle that he can carry things in or if it was you know we're getting to the point now there's been consideration some of the business community has talked about having like a 12 passenger van that could be used to take kids on field trips and some of the summer recreation programs and the after school programs that we're doing I'm not here to pitch any of that now I'm just saying that the car for the manager is really not necessary I'm not willing to just give it up and sell it without being compensated for it or you probably ought not to have a vehicle that can be used for personal use for manager going forward because I don't think it's necessary anymore that way so anyway you have the memo I don't I kind of monetize that over the I know there's use worth of time I know there's the cost of the vehicle versus when I was used that formula you're suggesting isn't isn't necessarily working anymore because you're driving a lot less than you used to but from a compensation standpoint I'm just asking this question is it would the town save money on because when you pay somebody more there's all the other things that have to go with it from a salary amount or a wage amount like the workmen's comp the unemployment there'd be those things that would have to be paid you'd pay Social Security on it you'd have to pay retirement on that and the value those things are not included in this you know that's a difficult thing to say Chris I think if if you were paying the manager to do a lot of traveling outside of the community and you know I served on VLCT boards I still serve on a VLCT board now and I go to Montpelier for those meetings but you know I used to have to drive to Montpelier to go visit state agencies from time to time but again most of those meetings are handled by the Public Works Director right now when I go to VLCT meetings you know I want the the Employment Resources Board it's a it's a merged board that used to be the Health Trust which I was on for 25 years and the unemployment trust I still serve on that board I used to be on the VLCT Board of Directors for a long time I'm not on that anymore but when I when you travel to that VLCT reverses you from mileage so the mileage reimbursement comes in and that goes into town coffers because it's the town's vehicle it's not my vehicle so it's hard to say I'm just saying owning the car there's things about owning the car that you don't think about and I tried to think about all of them in this memo you know there's insurance there's registration fees then there's maintenance and fuel of course but you know don't get too bogged down on that right now I'm not suggesting that you should sell the car tomorrow from a high perspective you know I'm hoping to be here at least through the end of the Main Street project if you'll have me beyond that who knows I don't know what's after that I'm not I'm not looking to go anywhere in the near future on my own unless you know I'm forced to because the board doesn't want me around anymore and if you know I don't need to buy a new car and this car has 85,000 miles on it the thing I'm worried about on this car is it's a hybrid that was bought in 2008 I don't know how much longer the battery that makes the thing run is going to go and from what I hear they're pretty expensive so well I'm trying to look ahead like after you're going type thing and it's suggested or it's been suggested that if I come in to replace you it's going to require a lot more money which I have a difficulty wrapping my arms around that so I'm just jumping into a new position and making more than the last person's been here for 30 years just doesn't quite make sense happens all the time and I just didn't know if as a town we would benefit more by having a vehicle that's part of the compensation package you could speak to that Mark, I don't know and as I said if that's something that you're curious about and you don't want to make any rash decisions because you think that my analysis may be wrong you may feel that it's cheaper to get a book out you've got time to answer that question because if that battery goes completely then it's going to cost a pretty penny and it's probably not worth putting a new battery in it we have two anecdotally but we have two hybrid cars that are 2006 and they're still going on the same battery one of them's got 250,000 miles on it I did have one we've had like eight or seven hybrids with my daughter and one of them did give up its battery that was an odd one and it cost a lot to fix it so anyway hopefully you'll be okay quickly on the vehicle I think Kudos to you for keeping a car going for 11 years in Vermont so if you're saying you'd stay through mainstream reconstruction maybe you can speak to if we did want to make a move on that it might not be a bad idea to consider at least doing a three year lease on a new vehicle but when you lease you don't have a lot of the maintenance cost associated with a used vehicle I just quickly looked up I thought it was a Corolla so I didn't look at Camry but Corolla zero down lease for 10,000 miles a year which your way under is $300 a month so $3,600 a year is the locked in price for the cost of the vehicle that's without a trade in so I mean it could be a couple thousand a year for the next couple years we'd probably save money to consider that so I know that we shouldn't really be focused on necessarily the vehicle conversation today but I think we should talk about that because I think you know sometimes even oil changes are included so you're suggesting that a lease that some routine maintenance is covered in pretty much it's a bumper to bumper warranty through the three years so basically anything you know you would never have to worry about a front end issue or anything like that it would all be covered under the warranty I've leased vehicles before and it does take a lot of those question marks out and as a municipality with an 11 year old vehicle how many other 11 year old cars do we have in the list so I mean I think not knowing how long you're going to stay around I think that's a conversation we should definitely I think get ahead especially if we know it's a hybrid and there are some risks associated with continuing to hold that vehicle in our inventory you know I think it makes sense to consider it I've leased vehicles before it really does take a lot of the financial question marks surrounding maintenance out of it completely which I think would make sense in this scenario I have my pros and cons about leasing especially costs what you're probably counting is what a traditional personal car would cost versus a you know this is a municipal vehicle my personal opinion I think I'm a little bit like Bill I question the need for a car I probably see the need for a multi-purpose vehicle for town use you know where everyone could it sits here it's not for commuting to work but when you have a sign up sheet if someone needs it one day you know that to me makes a lot more sense it could be used by the recreation director it could be used by Bill if he has a meeting so you cover a lot of those things cars are getting more and more expensive but if you share that cost over all the different departments over people needing it rather than getting them mileage it might be something that might pass but I think the important thing in this scenario is that Bill's had this vehicle as stated in his letter that there'd be an expectation that if we just got rid of the vehicle completely that his compensation should go up which I think is warranted so in this scenario if he's saying that he wants to stay on for a number of years I think specific to the conversation surrounding the vehicle if we can actually protect ourselves from any kind of large maintenance cost on his vehicle maybe put him in something that's a little bit newer and takes that risk away you know we're gonna I think fairly we should pay for it the other way if all of a sudden he says well I'm just gonna go get my own vehicle this thing's old and it's getting to the point where you know but I mean I guess you're not saying that either so if you're willing to do another year I guess we can bring this up in a year but I think that's something that we should talk about for sure maybe for next budget season we should keep that in mind because we'll be here visiting the same issue again and by that time that car will probably be time to head it down the road and Rachel, we'll go on it's about 6,000 bucks Yeah, really? It's almost two years at least I think it's actually 5 to 7 so we'll get half way in between well I mean if you could trade it in $1,000 and put it towards a new car I kind of like Mike's idea about a kind of multi-purpose that you could sign up for and take it to a meeting when you need to and I agree maybe you know compensate you for that loss of that benefit but I've leased a car and it's fine until you until I hit a snow bank some place it had some hidden object in it suddenly had a little damage under the front and when I went to trade it in you know they were really happy to charge me quite a bit of money to make that car whole so if you had multiple drivers on it that would be so good to use anyway and Bill you are very lucky to sign up someone with a car that you have that needed a battery change to the cost of $9,000 so you're probably if you're going to need new batteries you're going to jump the car I'll make a motion to trade the vehicle tomorrow I don't hear a second yeah we're getting into the weeds currently we have the I think we've got a 2% increase on the table is there any argument for against anything different at this point consistent with the cost of living that's on the attachment and I just looked it up myself before we started talking about it so it seems like a reasonable amount to me and if I do was looking for 2% plus keep the car hopefully that would be yeah but Bill can you explain how that relationship works I think the village used to have a certain amount I don't know if it was just a payment to the town but I was just wondering if you could explain how your compensation works so nothing really has changed from the transition from EFUD from the village so I'm a town employee I receive my paycheck from the town of Waterbury and in the town's general government budget there's a regular pay line and I'm included in that regular pay line for general government so Pam and Karen and Beth Jones and myself and Michelle the bookkeeper Michelle Ryan where we make up the general government Carlis an elected official so there's a separate line item in the general government for her so anyway my pay and benefits are all included in the town's general government budget and then in 2019 the district is paying the town $98,000 for each share of all of that general service so Karen is the utility billing clerk in addition to the tax clerk and they all answer district questions like the answered village questions so there's kind of a formula last year the commissioners asked me to do a little bit of a time study so I had Carla and Karen and Pam and Michelle keep track of the hours that they worked for the village for the district I put I keep track of mine as well I think they asked me they didn't think we reduced the amount enough if you remember this budget season the fund commissioners and the select board didn't have a joint meeting I proposed that I can't remember what it was last year maybe $110,000 the village paid we only dropped it down to 98 the select board put it in the budget accepted it and said we'd like a little bit more analysis for next year but that's how it happens it pays out of the town budget in a ratio of from year to year depending on what activities are going on yeah I guess my question on that is even though that might change year to year is that time tracking taking up your time or is it really rather like I guess at some point can we just say it levels out settle on a percentage and we don't have to think about it every year and we did that there used to be a rather complex formula I can't remember it but it was the district or the village paid 40% of my pay they paid 60% of the bookkeeper there were a lot of moving parts to that formula and of course the pay lines were going up incrementally a couple percent a year at the most so that formula wasn't changing much so at some point I proposed just that I said can we just call this the base and then from now on we'll just raise it by the cost of living and everybody agreed to that so I keep track right now it's pretty easy once I built this spreadsheet it's got about 25 different columns of things that I spent my time on I'll keep that for the year and see what it looks like you have any argument one way or another on the 2% no I think that's that's reasonable it's within the range that we talked about before I did let you know in this memo that the retirement plan that I'm on is not the contribution the employer is making isn't changing I wanted to define the contribution plan where I don't get a traditional pension like most of the people do back in 2008 I think it was those two pension plans were the same this is on the second page for the defined benefit plan which most of our employees that started at 5% and I was at 5.125 in 2013 the DB plan started to increase while my plan stays at 5.125 for the foreseeable future so the DB plan went to 5.25% in 13 it's now 5.625 on July 1st this year it's going to be 5.75 July 1st 2020 it's going to be 6% and in 2021 it's going to be 6.25% so while the contribution that you're putting into my retirement is staying at the 5.125 you're paying a high percentage for everybody else incrementally going up so but who's setting those that's a rate allowance that basically you can put in that much of your salary and no so we have when we hire a new employee so I just hired a new employee for the waste water treatment plant I just hired a new employee for the library offered them jobs we are mandatory participants of the water and this 4043 retirement system and we as the kind of water brain for two plants I think there's five different plans that you can choose it's an irrevocable decision if you decide that you're going to go on the defined benefit plan which is a traditional pension plan and I think that would be something like you get I think it's 1.8% of credit for the number of years you work so if you work 10 years it's 18% of your average final compensation if you work 20 years you're at 36% it's it's capped that plan it's capped at 60% of your average final compensation you can retire when you're 55 so if you get hired right out of high school and you're 18 or 20 years old and you work until you're 65 of your compensation the defined contribution plan is a plan it's much more like a 401k where the employer set there's a defined contribution that goes in from me and the employer it's 5.125% for both where it's 5 for me and 5.125 for the employer I get 5 the .125 is used for these percentages are all set by the state legislature with the advice of the state treasurer so what they're saying is that we've made a promise to the defined benefit people and in order to keep up with the actuarial tables we've got to increase either the employer share or the employee share and usually they go after the employer share because some of the employees have unions and they don't want to pay more so they raise the employer share whereas the defined contribution plan that I'm on the money goes in and it's directed by me I invest it the way I want to invest it and if I grow it to $3 million by the time I retire great if I do a terrible job and lose everything when the market crashes and I end up with $200,000 at the end of my career well that's what I get so anyway I'll make a motion to increase the manager's compensation by 2% do I need to state over what period of time does that well for everybody else their pay increase was effective the weekend in April 6th so you can either say it starts at the end of this week or you can make it retroactive and I just make it retroactive for fiscal year 2019 we make it retroactive to the weekend in April 6th I'll make it I'll make the motion to be retroactive to the weekend in April 6th any further discussion I have a question April 6th why should we then be discussing this concept earlier in April we should have done that so what we usually do years ago what happened was the boards and I would make some decisions and the money we get in the budget and the board would say we'll have it across the board raise of 2% and they gave me a little bit of discretion to reward some people who did things that were extraordinary then I came back to them and said you know if you give it across the board raise all the time the higher paid people get further ahead of the lower paid people because 2% of my pay is a lot more dollars than 2% of somebody who's making money so anyway I got uncomfortable with signing my own rates and I've asked the board to do it it's been on the agenda a couple times it got busy so yes it would be nice if it happened earlier but when you go through budget time and then everybody's just like don't have to think about numbers anymore including me so because now we have a little bit of a wall and we can have a real discussion about it I mean in this case making it retroactive you're made whole again I was kind of speaking to Jane's point so motion has been made seconded any further discussion all those who wish to approve say aye aye on another note perhaps for next year I don't know if that's something that we would have to do or you could help us out with as far as whatever comes about next year as far as compensation for you how a vehicle or no vehicle would play into whatever additional would be required to compensate for the lack of a vehicle and or to Mark's point Elise and how that might fit in for the rest of the duration I'll try to get some information you know I certainly can get information about the lease at any point and if left is right and my car is worth more than the lease it wouldn't have a budget impact you could lease it in 2019 and just tell the voters we sold that car before it you know some real big money and we replaced it with this lease so I can get that information and if we decide not to do that then I can follow up you know if we decide to sell it not have it so I can okay thank you very much I appreciate it that's it for tonight fellas one question is there in this subject of wages do you have any employees that are under what they call the local wage under $15 an hour some of our seasonal employees so lifeguards they can't they're all making at least the current minimum wage most of them are higher than that typically first-year people you know when we hire first-year people for those seasonal jobs they may be higher than minimum wage but then after that as far as full-time employees or permanent employees I would say they're all about $15 an hour okay that's what I thought thanks all right, motion to adjourn so moved second anybody having further discussion comments good enough, we're done