 Alright welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa. It's time for off the press and our analyst, Opunabo Uncorteria political affairs analyst joining us from River State is very much around with us. Good morning to you Opunabo. It's good to have you join us and we're going straight to the papers and hoping that we can make sense of some of the headlines that we are seeing in the papers. We're beginning with the Guardian newspaper this morning, the Guardian newspaper and the biggest or the boldest headline there is economy, rule of law, foreign policy, security, top agenda for nominees. Those are the attempts of reference as it were for the new nominees for the ministerial appointments and all that. From the trajectory that has been set by this government do you see that being achievable in the nearest future? The end of this term, they said they've gotten to the education ministry because I'm most confident I know nothing about it. And it was a man who was at the end of the education ministry for seven or eight years. So then I said to my writer what else would they discuss security of course, the economy. And what else would they discuss, would they discuss Biden? Would they discuss Steve Chao? That's what they would have discussed because look at the The question is not what you're going to discuss, the question is whether you're going to ask square beds, square rooms, whether you're going to ensure that we have the competence people to run, not what you're going to discuss. What you're going to discuss is known. What else are you going to discuss of the economy? And I'm going to discuss of the economy. You're going to ask the question of, is your minister, how are you going to turn around in the future? But now their portfolios are not yet revealed. So being able to make sure that square beds are put in square holes, I don't know how that can be achieved if the portfolios are not yet defined. That's the comment on that. That's why a lot of what we've just for the portfolios to be attached so that the questions are going to be specific and your understanding of what you're expected to do will be as obtained. But unfortunately, no. But again, there's another argument that the minister, the president can always review. In other words, he can always move from one ministry to another ministry even after the economy. But that to me is not a good enough reason not to attack the portfolios. At least let us have some confidence that you're getting square beds in square holes and no square beds in ground. Let us have that confidence. But are they going to evaluate you? They're not going to evaluate you. Most of these are polemics. Just like Samir said, the president is embracing certain to move instead of threat. And those who are playing the leader, those who are sitting there, all they are after is how to compensate their political needs, how to compensate all those that assisted them in getting this done. But I'm starting to move up not to do that. That's all they're doing. Because when you talk of the minister, it's not just your performance or your performance as a economy. And if you look at most of the portfolio, a lot of others want to understand it. It's like build the whole roads in this world. And if you don't save the human capital, you're safe. But when you build the whole roads, as far as I'm concerned, the roads are built. You're concentrating on them because you're also going to set up or line your own pocket. Why not human capital? Let's move from this screening. I don't know how many Nigerians are going to really spend time to watch it because from what we're seeing, the grilling that Nigerians would have loved to see on the house of these people on the list may not be. So Nigerians, I'm not sure that I would take my time to watch it. I wish I had reasons to. I really wish I had reasons to. But from what we've seen over the years, it's just take a bow and go. And I mean, we have so many ex-governors there. We have ex-members of the house there. Are they going to question these ones and grill them? Take a bow. And I can tell you a lot of them would have been wished to do before now. Okay. So talking about human capital development, there is a smaller headline here. Unemployment concerns as seven firms lose 624 billion Naira to Naira depreciation. Opinion about this is a major concern. This is the concern because talking about the coup, although I've told you, we've always had a conflict every four years. Come out with my cities and complies with it. We've always had a conflict because what is the coup when somebody is imposed on you? That's a coup. So we've talked about loss of jobs. And exactly most important, the loss of hope. But what keeps you going is hope. These are the problems we have in all these, the Sahel leaders. They're part of the country's country, for example. And that's why a lot of us have this fear. A lot of us have this fear that what is left out for you to do? So people say you don't pray for you. It's a coup during the first democracy, better than the best military. I mean, that is cheating, for sure. So you can't tell me that because I want to use an example. We have Gaddafi, now the leadership. We had this man in Iraq, now the leadership. But today they are reflecting it. So don't come and tell me the worst. I mean, that is better than the best. It's a lie. That's a lie. Once the government is able to meet the demands and needs of the people, that is good. That's all they need. It's not about the government. It's not about the government. It's not about the name. It's not about the government. It's all about government, not the government leadership. So look at Iraq today. Is this Iraq? Yes. It's Saddam Hussein. People are waiting. Gaddafi, people are crying. In Nigeria, we have democracy. We have democracy. So civilians are waiting. And people are dying. So what do we prefer? What do we prefer? So the truth about it is that, yes, lots of jobs as a result of these policies that are not 10 percent policies that are 10 percent, the policies that are meant for the United States. What we practice here is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. They are not bothered about the masses. You do your things. And that is why you have lots of jobs because they come up with all kinds of anti-people policies. No conscience will serve them to say, okay, listen to your day. What are you going to do? You must have procedural obligation. What do you call the bridge here? If we do this, let's test from it. If we do this, what is going to be the outcome? Before you go ahead. This is a thing we do in civilized class. And you come here to tell me, for example, Petro is living in Nigeria. Petro is this expensive in Nigeria. How can you tell me that? Do you think at all we are told in Petro is this expensive in Nigeria? Yes, it's expensive in other areas because it is covered up by other things like national health insurance. Covered up by, you want to, you already want to buy a car. All you do is show proof that you're working and you can pay back. You don't need to stress yourself to get your car. Is that what is happening here? Can you afford to go to, you've had our health centers and they're working with that. They cannot do it. Then you just walk in, even if you're dying, you're sure that the nation is going to say that and you pay gradually. Is that what we're certain of? So don't make your compare, when you also compare, compare the social welfare. Also compare social welfare because you're staying in Petro. And we produce in Petro. And now, what are the problems? Have you addressed the problem? For 80 years, you have the Minister for Petroleum who was Guari. So when they say a Kaba, I get really angry. I'm insane because Guari was also part of the Kaba. Why did I say so? You are the one paying now, paying the Minister to turn around and make dinner. So you are paying money to Kaba. Kaba refuse. So you are paying, you are all in the Kaba. Because you are the one paying, you are the Minister for Petroleum. You are proof to pay me. You don't have the unit. It makes him the head of the Kaba. Yeah, if you are Petroleum. Yeah, okay. Well, talking about human capital development and unemployment and petrol and everything, it brings us to the point where NLC is mobilizing, as we speak, even when the federal government has said that they are banned from strikes. That was the word they used. They are banned from strike because they had a court order that they cannot strike and all that. But NLC is insisting that on Wednesday, they are still going on that strike, moderate of all strikes, as they're calling it. What are you talking about? It is a right to protest far right. The cancer comes right in my right on the necessary. Why would it come? But you see, I don't ask, but that wasn't it. So most times I find it quite difficult. The very first black judge, all the last guys still out on that. Well, I find it very sad when I see most of these come to mind than corrupt judges. Of course, right now I can say Booker Shao said that Booker Shao also said that his wife was corrupt. Whatever I say, that is it. His wife was corrupt. He said, he said, he left. Now the truth about it is that my problem is I don't even trust NLC. I don't trust them. I see the NLC as looking for how to also do. I said, this is my opportunity. Other, after you tell me you want to embark on this strike, you know the shenanigans of the government, the antics of the government. You say you want to embark on this strike. They invite you to a meeting. You suspend this. When are they going to, you would have gone ahead in the strike. Why your strike is on your negotiate? That's the best you can do about it. People don't know the antics of, of the government. Why they are trying to negotiate? Is there in front of what you call the Saddam policy? Do you not? Are you? Why the strike is going on or why you're negotiating? They go behind. They go to courts. From Christian. That's what they do. We all know that the government can never be sincere. Can never be sincere. So why do you have to, because you are thinking that you are going to invite them and give them their notes? I'm very sorry, but that's my conviction. The NLC has said that you have confidence. I was looking for the NLC of Kokorea Observatory. NLC of Kokorea Observatory. Those are the kind of ones that are not this bottom red NLC. What are we doing? Look at every day, look at what is going on. Things are getting worse and you call yourself NLC. They are just there to friendly the whole country. That's just as simple as that. I don't believe in NLC. What you say is a spontaneous reaction. Something like the N-SARS. Like the N-SARS. That is what is going to say this one. Not what is being planned. Because the situation, our situation, is assuming apocalyptic dimension. You're already there. You're already there, just like what you just said. You're already there. Okay, let's move to the next newspaper. Let's move to the punch newspaper. An elite headline on the punch newspaper. On cover, CBN, NMPCL mess, economists, group tell Tanubu's special investigator. While the writers there, Tanubu appoints Obaze's special investigator, EFCC, police, others to join probe. Investigators to go after ex-Bohari appointees, private individuals, hiding government funds. Punabong Kotaria is still with us. Hello Punabong, can you hear us better now? You're climbing, climbing. All right. So let's go back to that headline on the punch newspaper that we were taking before went on that strike. You want to join NLC to go on strike, right? I'm mistakenly said strike. All right, so on cover CBN, NMPCL mess, economists, group tell Tanubu's special investigator. Tanubu appoints Obaze's special investigator, EFCC, police, others to join probe. Investigators to go after Bohari appointees, private individuals, hiding government funds. What's your take on this, Punabong? Well, I would be very happy. I'm pleased to see that the so-called inferiority in the world of play will start to, I'm very sorry, will start with the certificates I know. I will go into NNPC and the dots and the lights. But it's a good idea. I mean, I'm always, I'm always in sync with what I'm called the best situation. If you believe that you're doing, and you have those calendars, you'll come on, that's not a problem at all. But what I hate is which one to, and that is the problem that we see here in government. We see here in government, I've never liked, because office this day, for others, actually. At the point, you have to put yourself out of another as you too much, and I don't like such character. But that does not mean that for others to please, that anybody who feels it as a common criminal, even when they come out of one, otherwise I'm so happy what is going on at the beginning of the very time. But that doesn't mean that we need an office, it's function, and that everybody is equal in the eyes of the world. Now, I've also said that, look at NNPC, I have my success now, because much of my work today, if NNPC is genuinely proved, and the white paper is out, the president of the country will be involved, because it will be Oando and so on. When we are there, not to turn around maintenance and all this talk, when we are flushing our drug to dry, the president will be fully involved with Oando and all that, so I am waiting to see that in the future. That's the most important. It doesn't appear that... We see the SOS, we see the SOS because the policies they are anti the president, he said it himself, you remember, he said those policies against it, he said it, how about the policy? So we have had that, not that, that picture, and the mercy, and eventually it got into power, and the first one, it gave us time. That's the secret. Although it helped the negative, and the severe, without the governor, as a bad guy, without the freedom of function, went on with those policies that if you were here, you would come back. Now I think that this is the case. I want the rule of law to take its place, but I pray that it will come quick. Because he started to change the whole population with all those ill and bad policies. Yes, he started. Then the issue of NNPC, I am waiting to see, we are going to change. The unfortunate thing is that NNPC is not part of the terms of reference as it is, it's only the CBN. This investigator, his assignment is to investigate the CBN, but it is economics, it is economics and groups. It's economics and groups that are saying, exactly. Yes, yes. Oh, it's not that. I was wondering. I was wondering. Because they are involved. They are not investigating. One goes from one way to turn around, to the one who had the favor of this, not for people. You go to jail. Because what I said, the fraud in the assortment was so much that the federal government could not continue. That's what we are saying. Who was in charge? Who was there to turn around? That's not the idea that I said. You call this fraud, yes, you say. Who was the minister for Petero? Who are they? So what are we talking about? So who are we going to go to jail? And I'm going to see that day, that you'll be prison the second time. So that people will learn. So that people, the first two people were not happy. Because the first thing was a man of right to do. Now we come to see. They say the one who is going to go to jail is not the one that is there, but was after the man of right to do. Not good. Not good. They should not bother to say. They should not invest in them. He will not. Because they will trace it back to one and do another. He will not. They will leave that one there. So there's anything concerning this, because there's nothing about the Petro, no, anything. They should just connect it. Well, Kano, all right, let's touch a bit on Kano. Kano returns to DSS custody after checkup by a personal doctor. We learned that he was allowed to go see his personal doctor. And then we also learned that he has returned to the custody of the DSS. Does this disappoint you, Poonabo? Are you one of those who believe that the first step in bringing peace to the South East is to release Namdi Kano or not? No, no, no, no. You see, the truth is you don't stamp in a government in such manner. Otherwise, you're going to have pockets. But now you see people going to see and go on some sort. What about the court order? What about the court order? The court order, the court order, I completely agree. But don't put the Kano also jumped there. And his case is complicated. He jumped there. No matter how complicated it is, shouldn't the court orders... That's what I'm saying. The court that made it is this. You know, they are completing court order. That's what you should also understand. And where you are completing court order, of course, the sex, sex, pregnancy, and stuff like that. Because they are telling the court of equal distribution of the country, the first to take the order, the only court order that should proceed to be a superior court. But that is one. We agree the court has given orders. Because the country, the DSS must obey. I don't provide that in the nature of the DSS. I don't want it to be there. That man wants to be jailed, right? You have to be jailed. Therefore, what he did the last time, you have to be jailed. But you all know what is going on. If you talk of Kano, a man like... I think a man has his own team, right? Or how many people, something like that. Yes, how many people. Yes, such persons with a bill for nature, if they can hand it over to such persons. Because we have to do the same situation. If they can hand it over, even if there is a bill, for example, you have to pay the first time. And you don't pay. It will be very difficult for anybody to prostrate. Yes, you have to do the court order. But we are also looking at the situation. You don't have to go to anybody to prostrate. That's why when you keep making those incendiary statements, it's a lot of the problems. Because you are not allowed to go to the national court. So, you have to go to the nation. So, if you are not a Muslim, if you are compunctious, yes, let us see. But if you are not, you are not going to be very evil. Yes, you are going to have to do the court order. Whatever is good or bad, you are not going to be able to come back. I completely agree with you. That's why it's a little bit complicated. I think it's more of the evils. The evils that are sitting down with the federal government in Scotland. That is the best thing to learn. So, they can hand them over to either the bureau for example, or not to the government, or to the president general of Aarbidu. Hand them over to such person after looking something like accommodation. I think that's the best way to resolve them. I think it's more of like mitigation than mitigation. Okay. Well, so that we can just wrap up what we have. Sorry, but in that case, do they have to pay the cost for that? Because people have to use it. Now you understand. Okay. So, like I said, we have so many things that we could have discussed, but we need to wrap up. But before that, we'd like your comment on what is happening in Niger. COAS has given matching orders to the military junta that has taken over and said that one week after that, they are going to take action. And they have placed so many sanctions on Niger and all that. We also saw this like a deja vu. We saw it on Mali. We saw it on Burkina Faso. We saw it on so many other places that have had this kind of things. Now, we also are afraid that there is a possibility that the Arab Spring or anything might be coming to the West African nations right now. We'd like you to comment on the actions of ECOWAS and the actions of the presidential guard in Niger. To play a good job. ECOWAS, to play a good job. It's a good decision to think that they will force those military men out. So, you know those kind of characters, you know, they don't care. They are prepared to die. They are not allowed to come to Niger. They have you been able to contain the ones in Nigeria. They belong to all those Boko Harada members. What have you done? Have you been able to continue? Now you want to go to your own country? Let us see. Let us see how many of them are there. And they will have support. Once the ECOWAS moves in, of course, they have support from another country. What do we have? We cannot even contain the insurgency in our country. We want to have a big brother Romesh. Big brother, empty big brother. Big brother without brains and without... Who are you going to say? Even the Nigerian soldiers are going to say that we don't go there and sleep. Once you send to San Pisa for a sample, you take care of it. You've not solved your problem. You're going to look at another... Which allowed it? If they had a president that is draconian, a president that is selfish, who will send to the government and bound them to take him out of the country. They are doing all this to show that they protect themselves. Because they know that they are like that president. And they want to protect themselves. They are not doing it in the interest of democracy, in the interest of the people. They are protecting themselves. Let them go and I pray they will all be wiped out. Allow them to rule their country. Let them rule their country. Let them rule their country. You come and rule your home. You've got to take care of your house. You've got to move the law from there. You'll see the fed in another man's house. That's what they're trying to do. Not because of you. It's to protect themselves. That's not to do democracy. It's to protect themselves. They are all behaving the same way that that man behaves and keeps him out. And I pray they will all be kicked out someday. Not the same way. Open up. Then you come and tell me you're worse, worse than that. You have a mental problem. You can't do that now. Thank you so much for your time. It's always explosive with you on Up the Press. We just love you for that. Thank you for your brutal honesty. Thank you for your time. Open up. Join us from River State and Up the Press. You're still watching The Breakfast. We'll take a break and come back with our first hot topic. Do stay with us. Grab your cup of coffee or tea because it's getting hotter.