 Welcome everyone to the April 14th hyperledger technical steering committee call as you are all aware. Two things we must abide by on this call the first is the antitrust policy notice that is currently displayed on the screen. And the second is our code of conduct which is linked in the agenda. So standard announcements that we have the first one the depth weekly developer newsletter goes out each Friday. If you have anything that you would like to see added to that, please add a comment on the wiki page. And then the second announcement is that the hyperledger global forum is still accepting CPS until April 29. Just about two weeks away now. And if you have anything that you would like to talk about at the hyperledger global forum, please submit your CFP. And then also, I believe a heart is still correct that the program committee volunteers still open for people to volunteer. Absolutely Tracy, if you're interested, please feel free to reach out. We're also still reaching out to people. We have a number of people who have already said yes. So thank you very much if that's if you're one of those people. And if not, we'd love to hear from you. So thanks a lot. Great. Any other announcements that anybody would like to make. I think Daniela has a minor announcement. She's muted. Which is that the forum for our event in Dublin. Oh, okay. Yeah, so we will be having our hyperledger evening event at the Guinness storehouse, which is the premier place for for activities in Dublin. So cheers to us all and we'll see you there. All right. Thanks Daniela. Any other announcements that anybody would like to make. Okay, seeing no hands and nobody coming off mute. I take that as you know. So we got in the hyperledger cactus quarterly report that is due today. I know that some of you have already had a chance to look at it. If you haven't yet had a chance to look at it, please do so. I think the, there was one question that I asked and Peter took care of that. So I think, unless anybody has any questions right now. I think that's probably it for the reports, but does anybody have any questions on the cactus report. Okay. So no questions there. So Dave did let us know that he'd be putting the fabric report together so we should be seeing that one coming shortly as well. So as you're thinking about reviewing the cactus one if you haven't already, please also take a look and see if the fabric one is available. So the reports that are due next week, the next one that's due is hyperledger saw to you. And as far as I know, we don't have any specific TSE business to discuss but if so, please speak up now and we can talk about anything that people would like to talk TSE business wise. So then I guess I know it's up to you to take us through the work that you've done for us already on the TSE responsibilities. Thank you. Actually, well, should I ship is going to write do you want to click on the link you had in front of you. Sure, I well I didn't know if you're going to like speak. It doesn't really matter to me that either way works. So, I mean, for everybody, you can just click on the files changed and there's only one so. So, as you know this is about adding a page that this that describes the responsibility of TSE members. And so, I figured we didn't really need a task force because I don't know that there is much discussion needed. And the most effective way forward was to actually put the PR together. And so this PR is the one we are seeing now, and it basically adds one page to the, to the TSE space, which would be rendered on the TSE website. I, this page basically starts listing the, the, the role of the TSE that comes from the charter. So that's something that we have to accept. If we disagreed with any of this, we would have to go back a governing board to revise the charter, but I don't think any of this is controversial. Nobody has ever raised any objections to this. So instead, you know, I think the more interesting part is the next sections, which, you know, is something that is not listed in the charter, but that based on my experience with now many years as a TSE members and then as well as chair, I figured it would be good to list several things that I think are expected of us. And, and so I, I got feedback from Tracy that I incorporated. So can you scroll down a little bit. So this is the most important part, right? So we can look quickly at TSE members. I guess pretty straightforward. You have to participate in TSE meetings, review the TSE project updates, which we just did bring up and help resolve any issues related to the need of the community and participate in an optionally chair the task forces set up by the TSE. That's the kind of stuff we do. And I attended one project meeting a month. And so, you know, it's interesting because somebody said do we really want to have this in there and I think it was our room but it doesn't matter. I felt like, yes, I mean, this is a decision we've made. We said we would do this. And I figured, well, we should just list that. And, you know, we're not the police. We're not tracking what people are actually doing. It doesn't really, that's not the point. I think the point is really to set the expectation. In particular, when we do the TSE election every year, you know, people can have a look. We can point to this and say, hey, you want to nominate yourself or be nominated, you've been nominated by somebody to run on the TSE election. And this is what the same tells. And then I described the TSE chair role, which, you know, there's this kind of funny story. I mean, it was funny for me. Tracy didn't think it was so funny, but you know, after she got elected, I had a chat with her and I started listing all the things that just the brains, you know, it was kind of a brain dump. And there were two things that I was doing as chair. And there were a lot of things that she didn't know. She kind of laughed and say, oh gee, nobody told me about all of these things before I ran. And thankfully, I don't think she would not have run for that matter. But I think it's, it is true that, you know, some of these things not necessarily completely obvious. I think it's good to set an expectation so that if people are interested in running for chair, they should know what it entails. And there's the thing that, of course, everybody knows about, you know, the running those TSE calls typically. You know, you may also have realized that TSE always gives an update at the Global Forum as well as the Member Summit. You may be aware that the TSE chair is also on the governing board, which adds a few meetings. And during those meetings, we are invited as chair to give an update on what's going on in the TSE. So typically you can have a, well, I used to have only one slide. And you can have a couple of slides, but you have like 10, 15 minutes to give an update on what's going on. And then there's also the last bullet, which I think was the most surprising maybe to Tracy is, you know, the fact that we are also in contact with the staff who, you know, will reach out to the chair when they have inquiries from external parties. It can be the press, it can be some analyst who want to know a bit more on the technical side what's going on. And typically this can be a collaboration between the staff and the chair as to how to respond to these inquiries but this is, you know, something that chairs, you know, do. And so then we added the section and Tracy for bringing that one up and forgotten but we added a small section on the vice chair, since we have a vice chair, explaining what the primary responsibilities are, which you as you know is to run the TSE meeting when the chair is not available, but also to help. So I think this is something Tracy you put in place I didn't really do that I think but reaching out to projects when they miss submitting their TSE quarterly project updates when they're missing. So this is kind of, you know, I hope none of this is is controversial. Now, if is there any questions about this because then there's a couple of questions that came up in the comments that I think we should discuss, especially one. So I don't see anybody raising their hands or anything so I assume this is non controversial which I would expect them to be honest but so now if we go back right to the, to the page the course conversation page. We can look at the comments. So there was this issue about, you know, attending meetings, a room saying, do we really need this. You guys can decide, you know, if you disagree with it the status quo is in it, and a room does not further responded I don't know if you want to do that now. Are you okay with keeping it. Go ahead. Right. Oh, I mean I intentionally did not respond because I did not know what else to respond. I'm fine with the explanation so far. Probably I should have just said, okay. We can call that result. And, and then the other one is a rune suggested we add something about the responsibility for TSC members to act as two words or ambassador for the hyper major foundation. I actually think it's, it's a good idea. This is definitely something I have been doing. And not just when I was a chair. I mean, in general, I, you know, I participate in many conferences, and we'll talk about hyper ledger I often talk about hyper ledger fabric next, but I always give an introduction about hyper ledger where I explained a bit about the different I've been involved in the European blockchain forum, for instance, and I'm a member of the expert group there. And, you know, one of the things that I've been doing there for several years now is talk about what we do at hyper ledger to make sure that they are aware. And they don't reinvent the world or you know that they, they know about this what's what we are doing here. And so I think it's quite appropriate to bring that up but at the same time, this, I realized this is not nicely something everybody feels like they, they want to sign up for. So, I didn't really want to just add it, because for me it was not as obvious as the rest. I said we should discuss this. And so, in my opinion, we have three, we have basically three options is one we say, we don't add this at all. The other is, we add it as a must this is what's expected, or it's like, you know, an optional kind of activity that people may take. So Ryan, you have your hand up. I, I, the page is on responsibilities and personally I would feel uncomfortable, you know, telling people that it's your responsibility to be out there front and center, because as you noted some people are or are not comfortable doing that. I raised my hand before you offered the third option, which I think would be the way to do it as not a responsibility, but I would phrase it more as an opportunity for people who want to, you know, get out there and and talk in public and that's how I would go. Tracy. So I, I don't, I think there are many ways that you can act as an ambassador or steward, and I don't think it has to involve speaking in front of an audience of hundreds. Right. So it could be answering a question on the chat channels if you know the answer to it I think it could be, you know, helping somebody get involved in contributing to the project that you're participating in or the working group or the task force right just being welcoming to people in the community is acting as an ambassador or a steward for hyper ledger. And so I just I want to make sure that we don't conflate the two of speaking at conferences with being an ambassador and I think that being an ambassador or steward is definitely, you know, something that I wouldn't have a problem adding. But so what you're saying is if we added we have to be careful. I mean to kind of specify what this entails. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I think you could, I think you could add it as saying an ambassador or steward of the hyper ledger foundation and provide examples of ways that you might do that instead of saying this is the only way that you can act as an ambassador or steward. Yeah. Okay, that's what I meant. Yes, okay. Sounds good. Nathan. I think it's we're not trying to be prescriptive, but someone has to do with this statement so much as setting expectations. And I think it is a good thing to tell potential TSC members. David or Sean might reach out to you and say hey there's a panel at this conference. Are you interested or can you help with this webinar. And I think most of the maintainers who would run for the TSC kind of already expect that because they've seen TSC members do those sorts of things, or they've participated in that that kind of thing themselves is just. It's a good thing to have on the list. All right, so I hear. For now, the people express themselves into being favor of hiding something and being careful about, you know, how we word with this entails but any other opinions or hot. Yeah, I agree. I mean I think it's not unreasonable to ask TSC members to sort of pitch in and help out with, you know, some things but certainly how that occurs should be open to them. You know, Ryan others are absolutely right that not everybody wants to go in front of, you know, huge numbers of people at conferences or things like that, but there are lots of other ways to be a community steward, as Tracy pointed out. I really liked how Tracy put it. I did want to point out and I wanted to make sure that it was public before I did. This is the, the LF mantra right humble helpful hopeful. And that is something that I think encapsulates a lot of what Tracy said about answering the questions. You know if you can if you can answer or redirect someone. You know, that's that's perfect. So anyway, I just wanted to share that. All right, thank you all right. Okay, any other opinions. Okay, if not, I think, you know. So this is the only thing left I believe right if you scroll down I think that's it. So, if we're in agreement. Well then there's a question of the table of contents and how way it fits in the page but I don't think anybody is worth our time discussing here. Kamalish good. So, this is regarding the point number four and five like come into getting with the external industry organization concerning the technical methods and especially a point five, appointing representative to work with other open source communities. So, what is this one, like, what other block other like like it didn't come to see another one of the open so maybe there are like had it has been maybe it will block change all is a different backup, right, please. I think it's part of our rooms. comment right is that what you mean. I'm asking the point number four and five in the TSC response that is in the page. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you mean at the, at the beginning of the page. The file change and then open the file. Good point. So, this is the part that's from the charter. Okay, so what is your question now. My question is like appointing representative to work with open source in a standard community. So, if someone that yes he is part of this kind of commit committees that they need to convey this message or update to the hyper ledger or what is all about. So, my understanding on this is we haven't done that. We have never that I know of. So, I think I would know. I don't think we have ever formally appointed any representative to work in other organizations. So, I do like asking was it because currently this IEEE blockchain initiatives, kind of a point appointed me as a their co chair for their some initiatives and sustainability and blockchain and even I am. I am kind of conducting the hyper ledger works out there. So, I just want to be sure like whether this is right or this is not right. Because I do learn is also the open source community and kind of, but they are not focused on the any specific lock and is a generic blockchain. Yeah, so my understanding of this and again this comes from the charter right so my understanding and others may have a different point of view but it is always the I mean I'm also involved in other organizations right quite a few. And so, clearly, you're entitled to do this. And, again, when you're in those organizations you can act as a steward for the hyper ledger foundation, not only because you're a member of the TSE but just because you're involved you can talk about what's going on. So, you know, when SSF I've given feedback on, you know, the, the, the vulnerability disclosure guidelines when we start looking into it. And so, I think that's totally fine. I think this point is provided because there may be situations where we actually want to appoint formal representative where say there is an activities that somewhere else. And as a community we say, you know what we should have some somebody representing us there. That's my take on this. But again, I mean we've never really done that. And so, I don't think the situation has arise. So, Yeah, that was my take on that to our nose. My sort of scenario is imagine that, like, you know, the EA is doing like an interop committee slash working group right. And, you know, hyper ledger is officially a member of the EA and we should have someone following it. So we say okay Peter, go join this committee as the hyper ledger representative. So, so that's what I sort of imagine this provision working as and we really haven't ever used it. But there's no reason we couldn't. See how I don't know Peter. So in this situation that's actually not allowed. If it's a formal organization, it has to be staff members. Now, if those staff members are also employees of companies that are members of those other organizations, then, you know, then that they still can't be official members or representatives of hyper ledger. And that's just due to most of those organizations bylaws. Of course, I mean, we do not. Yeah, we do not by joining hyper ledger foundation by joining the EA or anything else does not provide the ability for anyone in our community to, or members to be then members of staff, just that's a little caveat point. Yeah, but that's a good point. I mean, of course this is assuming that you can be participating in that other organization. We should collaborate. We should certainly collaborate. Okay, but so all right so I thanks for bringing that up I hope this clarifies it. I think this is interesting reason we have never really talked too much about this but so it's a good opportunity to do so. And kind of, they don't set everybody's expectation as to what a charter says. But so, what I meant to say next was, if we have general agreement, then what I suggest is, I will update the, I will update the PR, accordingly, and then I would really invite everybody to have a look at it. And indicate, please, on the PR, if you approve, and we have, you know, enough approvals, then we can just merge it and we're done. Of course, this is like everything else, it can always be updated later on if we find anything else. It's in GitHub after all. Does that sound good? Or any issues or concerns with this? No? Okay. So Tracy, that's it I think. Okay. So thanks Arnaud for taking us through that. As you can see, we are at only half past the hour or maybe at the couple of hours depending on where you're located. And we have made it through the agenda. I will say that there are things from previous task forces that have been done on the wiki. And if you haven't commented on those yet, and you would like to do that, please do so. Specifically, the Project Families Task Force has some updates to materials and some commentary. So please have a look and participate there before we have the next call to go through that. Which at this point I think is two weeks away. Next week the plan is to go through the Project Health Dashboards Task Force and have a look at what's there. Right in the comments, there's some commentary down there at the bottom from Jim as far as his action item and what he was proposing. So if there's comments there that you guys would like to, provide some input on some of the tagging that's there. The other thing that has been done on this particular task force is the website personas wiki page that's underneath there has some, just some thoughts about different sorts of personas that will be visiting the Hyperledger website that, you know, may or may not exist. There's other ones that you think may exist, please add to that page as well, as we go through so just reminding people that just because we're doing this in the TSC meeting doesn't mean that we shouldn't be doing things offline as well. And yeah, if there's anything else anybody would like to discuss today now's the time. How do we how do we think the task forces are working out during the TSC meeting. So I think it's a good user for the calls actually. I'm pretty happy with the way it's going. I saw three, at least three thank them to maybe more. So. All right, well if nobody else has anything else I'd like to add I'm going to close out today then. So thank you all for attending, and we will talk again next week.