 It's and Romans were civilized with their lead cutlery and forks and stuff That would make him go crazy after a couple of years. There's a bless series on HBO was really good for that Yeah, I like that a little hot. I like that blonde Scottish guy. I can't give his name Yes Later graze anatomy. Yes, that's the guy. I can't remember his name either Sean oh Sha Sha Nasee. I don't know. It's Sean McShonix run He's great my wife has a crush on him. So there's that But I was gonna say one final thing about that about the about the movie Gladiator it holds up in almost every way except one the battle sequence. Well, no that one's all right It's the guy who was the trainer kind of Jedi master of all this stuff Yeah, he dies during the production, right? Yeah, they Do what a lot of movies do like recently with Fast and Furious 7 or whatever where they figure out digital ways to kind of Tweak things and make them work and scenes they still need and this was one of the earliest examples of that and at the time We're fine now. It is sticks out like the sorus thumb that ever was a sore thumb You know, you know the worst part of that is Is the scene where in the beginning where they fight the the Visigoths or the Germanic hordes. Oh, yeah, yeah There's there's a whole there's a whole pit Tech show in a minute. Sorry. I'm giving you the one minute warning that we're doing a text show in a minute. Yes There's a sequence where they're trying to fight this big guy like this big bear-shaped guy And you could tell he's kind of lost during the direction because he's giggling the entire time That sequence is like, I don't know where I'm supposed to be this in this shot And it's it totally rudes it. It's like you're supposed to be like some crazy like, you know You know barbarian, you know wreaking havoc on the Roman legion that you're just giggling like a little kid It's because you're lost All right, then McKid I'm gonna disappear. Thank you. So Kevin McKid. Yeah, it's right. You got it Oh the McKid it comes around over a couple months, but McDonald's really knows how to get me with the McKid The McKid is back. No this time in Grey's Anatomy. All right Let's do this. Let's make the show happen. All right. Here we go The quick question before you go, I just noticed the top thing doesn't have an initial in it Is that I'm gonna read that. Okay. Okay. Yep. Just making sure This is your captain speaking I'd like to take a moment to remind you that this show is brought to you by Listeners like you who give value for value to show your support go to daily tech news show comm slash support We know you have a choice when it comes to getting your tech news and on behalf of the crew I thank you for choosing the Daily Tech News show This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday February 24th 2016. I'm Tom. They're joining me today Scott Johnson chief of the frog pants man of the instance Perveyor of boop. How are you doing Scott? I'm all right, man. I've never I don't even know how to respond all of those strange ways of introducing me But I'm happy to be here Wednesdays are my my favorite one of my favorite days of the week It's certainly one of my days of the week So why not make it one of my is one of seven of my days? Hmm, right? It is it is one of my top seven days of the week I can't say which one of my kids is my favorite Why I should start saying which one of my days is but if the truth is not a competition amongst days But I definitely am pleased to be here to talk some tech news with you today We're gonna talk ad blocking because there was a there was a knockdown drag-out brawl at Mobile World Congress about it I'm excited to talk about as well. I'm a guy who Well, I'll talk about it then but I have selective ad blocking and we'll tell you why later So little tease we'll get to that in a little bit. Let's start off with the headlines Real quickly some stuff that happened right before the show Microsoft announced It has agreed to acquire Xamarin That is not a medication. It's spelled like one though x a m a r i n It's actually a company that enables developers to build native apps across platforms on a single code base so think more ways to take visual basic and Azure and Put it together with Xamarin and improve that universal app platform that Microsoft is trying to make oh and HP Incorporated that's the piece of HP That still makes printers and PCs met expectations in its first earnings though the expectations were that the earnings would fall So they're earnings film anything It's funny how expectations can be low enough that they beat expectations Yeah, we didn't have high expectations, but you met them. Good job Facebook launched its new reactions feature today in all countries So worldwide or at least anywhere Facebook's allowed to operate you can react with love ha ha Wow Sad and angry in addition to the like button Tap and hold on the familiar thumbs up icon to get the new options posts will display the total reaction count whether it's love Like or whatever Facebook will interpret any reaction as a desire to see more of that kind of post for the time being But over time the company hopes to learn how to wait the different reactions. So I haven't gone a mess with it yet I did notice that it happened today and It occurred to me that this does it I was worried when they first started talking about this that we'd end up With a couple of these reactions that wouldn't translate well over Other cultures like we have different sort of clashing meanings for what I don't know the word sad might mean it within a cultural context But I feel like now that I see these in front of me and I know that they've rolled them out They seem solid, you know, those are enough for me to generally Tell you how I'm feeling about the food you took a picture of exactly No, it's and and if you're like wait a minute, I thought things were already here They had been beta testing them. So you may have seen them in your Facebook, but now they're available for everybody. There you go 9 to 5 max mark German reports his sources say Apple has been testing versions of OS 10 with Siri integration since 2012 and is now ready to launch the feature to the public that would mean this fall Siri icon would live at the top of the menu and have a pain in systems preferences where you can have a keyboard shortcut That can be chosen and so on voice command would also be active Siri when the machine is plugged into powers Similar to your phone. So they're mainly talking about notebooks there But say your desktop would always be connected Apple is expected to introduce OS 10 10.12 in June at its worldwide developers conference with a likely release in the fall and It makes sense and once again feels like it took way too long, but I'm guessing Siri may not have been up to snuff in 2012 my memory of Siri was that it wasn't up to snuff in 2012 So I like it a lot better these days seems like a nice time to integrate it Yeah, and making it work on the desktop obviously poses different challenges than making it work on a phone Microsoft kind of approached this all at once they brought Cortana to Windows 10 Right on the heels of having it on Windows for the phone So it does seem like something we're going to see I don't know how often I would use it Although the fact that you can activate it by voice when it's plugged in what you can do with Cortana as well by the way May make me try it more often, but it hasn't with Cortana I I've known I never use Cortana I I am the wrong person though because I don't like to talk out loud to my devices It's it's paranoia. I'm like I don't want anyone to hear what I'm saying, you know I guess I'm I would argue that I'm the same but that things like The echo have changed that for me just a little bit A bit and they use the echo a lot well It's made me realize oh I can say things I hadn't thought about saying before I can reduce some tasks in Time and whatever by saying these few things so one of them is for example I can just have it on all the time and have it be good enough. That's really important here Have it be good enough for me to say Play me 21 pilots and make it random and have it just do that That's that's nice like I'm for those kinds of things, you know whether or not the fold Down-the-road use case has made itself known yet. I probably don't think so yet, but hey It's about time Apple so you have unmasked my love of voice activation to myself As I use it I use echo all the time The last of the big mobile phone announcements from Mobile World Congress happened today Xiaomi announced the fifth five point one five inch me five It now has a physical home button on the front so that you can also have a fingerprint sensor on the front Not on the back as before has a snapdragon 820 processor adreno 530 GPU 16 megapixel camera 3000 milliamp hour battery There are 32 and 64 gigabyte versions available with curved glass bodies in gold white and black for 1999 rmb and 2299 rmb respectively, that's around 300 350 dollars the 128 gig version of the me five has a ceramic body and only comes in black for 2699 rmb that's closer to $400 the me five comes to China March 1st following in India shortly thereafter and they said in Other markets where we sell things or sell devices or sell accessories So maybe it be coming into some new markets. We'll see Xiaomi also announced the me for s in black gold and lavender shipping first would you Consider I mean there the Chinese manufacturers and designers are making inroads. Would you ever consider a phone like this? The prices are nice. Oh, yeah, the prices are fantastic. I mean if these rmb prices were similar to what they would sell a me five for 300, you know 50 400 dollars seems reasonable The the me you I is something I haven't really ever experienced though So I don't know whether I would like that or not Well, it depends on whether you're saving all your money for VR or not because there's another one to spend money on soon Sony sent out press invitations for PlayStation VR event This happens on March 15th at 2 p.m. Pacific in San Francisco This happens during the video game developer conference the game developer comments conference GDC which happens every year perfect time to do it get a bunch of press there get these things on their head have them Experience these experiences. This is a really important day for Sony in my humble opinion Because they are faced with two of their chief competitors already to market before they will With prices already known. We don't know what this thing's gonna cause maybe we'll hear then but this is like I think it's a kind of an important stage moment for Sony In a in a product that is very difficult to actually show on stage. Yeah And and Sony gave us some details on the PlayStation VR like the name I think last year at GDC so makes sense for them to give us the more details I'm assuming we'll get a price and release date this time Very inconsiderate of them to schedule it for right after date DTS is finished on that in that day So on the Wednesday after March 16th We asked Aaron Carson from tech or public to join me and Scott and we will talk about it in depth the next day Pages optimized for Google AMP are starting to show up in search results You'll see a carousel of cards for certain news stories And then the ones that are amp Enabled will have a little lightning bolt icon if you're like wait a minute. What's amp again? It stands for accelerated mobile pages It's an open-source project Started by Google that allows any web publisher to prepare pages in a way that makes them load from four to ten times faster It's similar to what Facebook does with proprietary instant articles But instead of being within a Facebook universe Google makes it so that they can use it But anybody else can use it other search engines could use it other apps can use it and any publisher can implement it Automatic for instance announced that starting today any site hosted on wordpress.com will support amp through a plug-in And you can actually get that amp plug-in for your own WordPress installations as well I installed it today on DTS. We'll see if it makes any difference. That's super cool I didn't realize that it would be available in something as simple as a wordpress plug-in in fact goes well I I assume we'll start to see that across other You know content publishing platforms and that's really exciting actually Yeah, and and you know Google take it a little bit of a snotty high road pointing their nose down at Facebook saying well Ours is open ours is truly open This is certainly in Google's best interests to make this available to as many publishers as possible because The speed of your page Helps the rank of that page and that's going to make for better search results Which means people will be more satisfied with the Google search engine when they're on mobile, etc Yeah, it's also it's interesting see if anybody will take this and fork it to Be a more proprietary experience for just a single web presence or something I don't know if that's true, but if it's open source anything's possible. I suppose Garage band released a keyboard replacement after Android band. They say oh Microsoft garage Microsoft garage was a faux pas released a keyboard replacement app for Android called hub keyboard That sentence makes way more sense now, but it's not Garage band the keyboard has a row of icons above the letter keys the icons are multi item clipboard document search for one drive Contact search and translate and also adds a keyboard button to the soft button Or excuse me soft button strip to let you easily switch between install the keyboards like Google's default and Swift key for instance That seems all right seems like a nice little feature once again People seem pretty excited about this like the idea that you can do easier clipping It's much better than the default clipboard on Android and I really love I mean, it's a little weird to have a keyboard add something to my my soft keys I don't like people messing with that much, but that's a really good one to say like oh, you know what I do need I like using Swift key in this particular instance, so I'm just gonna pop it in and out That's pretty good. It's still such a weird mystery though That if they bought Swift key you can't even get Swift key on Windows phone They had features like this to the Android phone They add other features iOS that are unique to it It seems like their own platform is getting ignored in a weird way and I'm well and then don't forget my hub keyboard It's from Microsoft. It doesn't have anything to do with Swift key But it's another example of Microsoft Kind of trying to take over every platform the fact that they bought Xamarin is another step in that direction What what what Sachin Adela is doing? I think is incredibly smart Which is we want to be the software running everywhere whether it's the operating system or not We don't really care putting the soft back and software Tom. Yeah Apple lead attorney theater J. Butros Jr informed the LA Times today about what arguments Apple will use in response to the court order to assist the FBI in brute-forcing the password on an iPhone 5c The FBI is using a 1977 Supreme Court ruling as its precedent and that ruling Said the telephone company could be compelled to provide technology to law enforcement to track calls under the authority of the all-rits act of 1789 that technology that the phone company was being compelled to provide already existed What Apple will argue is that requiring the company to write new software is tantamount to compelling speech because software is Expression which they will argue violates the First Amendment the company will also argue that the issue should be determined by Congress man this story continues to be the hot piece of business and Interesting progress there. Yeah, Tim Cook is going to appear on ABC's world news tonight this evening And and as soon as that airs on the east coast, they're gonna be putting the interview up on their website They say yeah, well, we'll see and hopefully Safari can handle it Just getting Google fiber announced Wednesday morning that it intends to bring the the gigabit ISP to apartments condos and affordable housing units in the San Francisco area in the city the company plans to use existing fiber Installations, but do not provide a timeline. This is the second announcement this week where Google Google fiber intends to use pre-existing Installations rather than build its own and I would assume Tom and cities like San Francisco. They have little choice Yeah, one of the reasons Google has resisted rolling out Google fiber in San Francisco is because it is a more complex city to build in For many reasons some of them regulatory, but others of them just hills and stuff like that So this is interesting in light of the earlier news this week about Huntsville, Alabama because it's Google I think this might be the second step in this game. We all wondered like why is Google getting into becoming an ISP and Google always said we want to encourage the rollout of fiber Well, the second step here is to say hey guys Everybody wants Google fiber now in their city if you want it in your city And you've already built fiber or if your city builds fiber will come if you don't make us build it We will come it's kind of a spin on the field of dreams So I think this is really interesting especially because San Francisco is one that has been clamoring for Google fiber So to say even in part that they'll come and say well where there's fiber We'll run we'll run the the Google fiber ISP as long as it's already built there Certainly is going to make some areas think about how they could get fiber built I'm just saying hurry up and finish your salt lake plans before you do then. It's fine. Do whatever you want I don't think it's a mutually exclusive. They could probably do both All right Ari's Technica passes along motherboards report that u.s. District Judge Richard Jones confirmed in a court order that Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute the sei Was funded in fact by the u.s. Department of Defense to research breaking into tour This is something that has been rumored It has been speculated upon by tour tour said they had evidence the Carnegie Mellon Carnegie Mellon University's research team cancelled a presentation on this sort of thing And now it's come out in court The information is part of a case against brian ferrell allegedly an administrator of the second silk road website And the judge ruled an attempt to hide an IP address does not constitute a reasonable expectation of privacy Even if you're using tour which is a whole other aspect of this case that is going to have implications Do you think it has any impact? I know it's not the fbi and I know it's a different case and all that stuff But I just smell similarities here With what now this isn't about encryption or or anything. It's a court case. That's about most of the That what what is going on here is brian ferrell is trying to defend himself by saying The fbi should have gotten a search warrant to look at my tour traffic and the fbi is arguing There's no reasonable expectation of privacy. We don't need a search warrant And and in cases where you have to tap a telephone. You need a search warrant That's why it's entirely different from the apple case because in the apple case the fbi has a search warrant That's not it. That's not an issue. That's true Asus has agreed to undergo an independent security audit once every two years in order to settle charges from the US federal trade commission the ftc found critical flaws. They're calling them in asus's I guess that's how you'd say them routers and the air cloud and ai or excuse me ai and ai disk services rather Attackers were able to exploit flaws in february 2014 and a bug prevented many users from updating firmware to fix those flaws asis also agreed to notify customers of security updates and include instructions thanks to Uh, haven't a duchel luchi for posting this on the subreddit say with me Haven't what abituella abituella condo say condo say perfect. I have to do it that way though I have to make it sound like I'm Crazy, thank you abituella condo say for posting this on this Yeah, no, this is uh, this is a big deal because What is going to happen here Is you're going to have a bunch of companies now Realizing that they are responsible for the security of their devices It by you know and under the ftc especially when you're talking about internet of things That's going to become very interesting. Don't you think oh, yeah for sure and and you know, these are The the closer we get to the world where everything I do in my house is completely automated the more and more We're going to find these kinds of hangups or this this kind of stuff's going to come up about how things are working and what What part of the spectrum is it all communicating on and and whether or not the ftc has had enough purview to make sure this or that Has happened and you know asis Agreeing to do this and to you know to work with them is probably a good sign And I hope other manufacturers do too because I want a toaster who makes my toast butters it and hands it to me tom Yeah, I think we all do Now it could be made by a robot the people of boston dynamics will undoubtedly be the first ones against the wall when a robot uprising happens Company has posted a video of atlas a humanoid bipedal robot Video starts innocently enough atlas going for stroll in the woods atlas picking up 10 pound boxes putting them on shelves And then it gets dark As atlas tries to pick up a box from the middle of an empty floor and an evil human comes up and knocks the box Out of atlas's hand with a hockey stick Atlas then calmly tries to pick up the box again But the human starts sliding the box with the stick just out of atlas's reach Eventually the human escalates to kicking atlas down to the ground And as atlas slowly rises back to its feet You can feel the plan to eventually rule all humans forming with rage in its processor They're gonna remember this tom. They're gonna remember this day this guy with the hockey stick It's gonna be like their their point of time if they always point to when they up when they said, you know, this is it We've had enough Oh Maximus kenzo for posting the youtube video on the subreddit I mean it is obviously us projecting our emotions but when you watch this video and and and atlas is just trying to pick up a box And then the guy comes up and just like shoves him down with a big stick To me, okay, so these are the same guys boston dynamics same same Maybe even same team that worked on the bipedal or the quadpedal dog looking robot And I think anyway and that one featured another video with people kicking the dog like across the yard And showing and the point of it to show that the dog creature thing would correct itself and not fall over Yeah, and that the idea with knocking atlas down was to show that it could pick itself back up And and frankly it walks a little like I did in the 90s when I would come back from the bars late at night Like it's very very tentative Right and you never remember when people pushed you down with a stick and moved the box away No, just that one guy coming out of the jack of the box who I landed on his hood that one time But uh, yeah, no, this is this is really impressive. You haven't seen this video already. You gotta go check it out Thanks to everyone who posts things on our subreddit at daily tech news show reddit.com It absolutely helps us figure out what kinds of stories we want to talk about each and every day So get in there and the very least vote at daily tech news show reddit.com. Let's look at the headlines All right, man, uh, let's talk about this mobile world congress panel Uh, it was called mobile advertising ad engagement and ad blocking And on the panel were lots of advertising marketing executives aol yahoo google, etc As well as royal carthy cmo of shine Uh, which provides networking level ad blocking services to isps most recently three in the uk and italy They also do digicel in jamaica. We've mentioned them on the show before Uh, carthy was not pulling any punches He said let's be clear again that the reason that there are conversations now about ad blocking Is by virtue of shine being able to put a nuclear weapon at the end of the pipe Anywhere between five and 50 of a consumer's data plan is consumed by ad tech Uh, the responses were varied, uh, but mostly fuming Ali kline aol chief marketing officer argued that the industry needs more time to adapt to the explosion of mobile Everybody just settled down benjamin face managing director of media and platforms at google said ad blocking risks the free content ecosystem But did agree that pages are too bloated and then pointed out amp that launch today uh And pete blackshot vp of digital and social media at, uh, um, uh Where where is he at? Uh, oh it uh, nestly said the industry needs to rethink transparency and ethics so they were all kind of trying To say well, hold on we you know, we're gonna we're gonna fix this while carthy's over there just saying no, you're not We're gonna block all your ads well, I mean The most reasonable response was googles in my opinion and I and I know that they're not They don't have a completely unbiased position in all of this But in fact, they have maybe the least because they're so much of their revenue Now and certainly in previous years has been based on ad revenue Um, but I like the way that they approach it. They're basically saying We need ads. This is part of the ecosystem. This is part of what makes things pay for themselves But we agree that it's gotten a little chunky on the edges and that maybe this can be refined Approach it with technology a little bit more than just skepticism and anger And try to come up with something that maybe fits both needs I mean at the end of the day ads when they started anyway We're just part of the content of a page you'd go to it wasn't like there was some special streaming service That pulled them in and we didn't have ways of detecting the difference between that and just a jpeg on a page It's only that we're in a place now where ad networks are streaming through various protocols and apis that need you to Detect them and then block them if you so desire and Maybe this is how we swing it back. Well, whatever I mean the genies out of the bottles that ever get perfect again to a place where everyone is okay with ads And all advertisers are okay with how many ads are being served probably never But we can get to a place where it's maybe a little less bulky uses less of our bandwidth And just creates a better ecosystem for ads to exist. I don't think there's anybody out there Well, I shouldn't say that there are plenty people who think ads just go away period And not think about how anything is paid for but I have a very pragmatic approach to this We if we want the content There are only a handful of ways that you're going to get it and have that stuff be paid for and as it turns out Lots of web content needs advertising as its model Can it transition to something new or will it eventually change to something else? Probably But it's not going to happen overnight And I am very selective about what I add block and what I don't Which I can tell you more about if you want to hear. Well, yeah, I I think What what I'm seeing in these conversations is that this is not a fight about ads Consumers understand that ad supported content needs to have ads So if you start slinging mud and saying they just want free content for free and don't want to pay for it Even with ads that's wrong. Uh, this is about data collection. This is about privacy And it's about monetization Across platforms. It's not just showing you an ad. It's showing you the right ad They want to know who you are and everything you've done So they can show you a very targeted ad and be able to charge more for it and people Don't want to be tracked. They don't want to have scripts running that use a bunch of of of bandwidth And they don't want to have popovers and things that force their way in front of them CBS interactive evp and cRO david morris was talking to ad exchanger And described three different approaches that that company is looking at and they're they're basically the three main approaches One is detect and withhold. That's where the content is concealed from ad blockers until the ad blockers turned off Forbes is doing this wired is doing this several others are considering it The other options are test and inform. That's you see an ad block You just put up a note saying hey guys, would you mind whitelisting us? We make our money off ads So you don't block the content but you play on people's uh good opinions and that actually does have an effect Ad blockers do get turned off not by everybody but by some people and then there's detect and recover That's the most nefarious one. That's where you detect that an ad blockers running and you get around it And you shove the ad to people anyway, and that's that's the arms race The interactive advertising bureau's ceo randall rothenberg says it's not we don't blame consumers Consumers who are downloading and installing ad blockers are acting rationally and in their own interests This is a battle against for-profit ad blocking companies because they require advertising as part of their business model So he's trying to demonize the people who make the ad blockers. No, that's an interesting way to Present those guys. So I have a very selective way that I do it I'm actually a big believer if I go to a website and I'm enjoying the content I should at least have some exposure to how they're monetizing that content whatever that may test in a form Approach would work well with you. I would work well with me. It has worked well In fact, I've had some sites where they've done that they've said Hey, we know what your ad blockers on and I'm not blocking them for any reason other than I'm on kind of All blocks all the time until I see what I'm up against and they'll say Oh, well, we this is how we make our money and I will and I have said, okay Well, I'm going to disable it on this page and these the ad blocker I use does that Let's me say never block ads on this page I'm happy to do that where I get weird about it or where I feel like I need it As as a internet content creator and I'm doing a live show and I need to look at a youtube video real quick The last thing I need is a three-minute squatty potty commercial with a with a stupid, you know, unicorn taking a dump What I need is to get right past that to the two-minute video that it's in front of And start playing that thing and having a discussion about it. So So there's in some of my cases, it's like a tools thing. It's a functionality thing Um, some could say we'll just get youtube bread. Well, okay. Maybe that's a cost of doing business I don't know but But at the same time, you know, I think there are I guess what I'm saying is there is no such thing is just Ads are stupid and I don't want any or there should be nothing but ads Like you said, there's this big nuanced gray area of all kinds of needs and wants that may vary page to page Not even person to person Nero Gonzalez, who's the founder of destructoid in one of the articles I was reading from the new york times said I feel like I'm caught between two parents fighting There's a valid security and privacy reason to run ad blocking software, obviously But then you have the brands who come to him on destructoid who want their ads to pop up in autoplay and take over This is killing the free web He's saying yeah, you're killing the free web, but it's not it's not the ad blocking public that's doing it It's the fight between them Yeah, well, I I guess I'm but here's Here's where I stand on this. I do not run ad blocking software on my desktop However, I do run no script and I do run a privacy badger Privacy badger is made by the eff. It is not an ad blocker It blocks tracking that you haven't given consent to So if you're sending out the do not track flag and it can detect that something is tracking you across more than one website So not just setting a cookie when you visit it, but setting cookies that are active across multiple domain names across other things Privacy badger tells your browser not to load any more content From that particular source the source that's setting the cookie Nothing in privacy badger is specifically written to block ads It focuses on disallowing invisible third party scripts or images But With privacy badger running I can't visit wired anymore unless I pay them So I get what wired's doing They're saying look if you're running an ad blocker either turn it off or pay us and we'll and we'll remove the ads But what they're the way they're doing it is is effectively saying If you want to read wired articles you have to let us track you around the web or pay us And I'm not okay with that It's fine to show ads and I get ads are more valuable if you have more information about me But I didn't consent to be tracked and blocking tracking should not prevent me from seeing Your page and forbs was the first to do this wired's doing it now too And here's where I got really upset because I can kind of understand where wired's coming from here If you go to the page that says here's how to whitelist us They've got all these instructions for the different ad blockers They have no instructions for privacy badger whatsoever and they have instructions for no script that say Because of no script's flexibility it can be a lot of work to get the correct results We recommend using a different tool in other words make yourself less secure and just let all scripts execute because we would like to serve you ads Yeah, I don't like that at all Uh, all right. So the concern is that if these guys set some sort of precedent others will follow and we don't want that I mean those are two big notable Publications online and if that catches on I don't I don't like the sound of this at all I like wired.com. I like them a lot. I'm a big fan. They have excellent journalists. They have wonderful content It's worth paying for and if it was just oh, I'm running an ad blocker So maybe I'll pay to get the content. I'd be fine with that but saying no we want to track you Is holding my hand back from paying the four dollars a month the content's worth four dollars a month And I don't mind seeing advertising if I either consent to cross-site tracking or it doesn't track me Yeah, or well and I think this is what this is about is Advertising for a decade now on the internet has gotten away with things because people didn't know it was going on and because mobile devices have limited speed And data caps suddenly people noticed the abusive advertising that was happening and have started to shut it down and now Uh companies don't like it because they've been in the the habit of getting away with just pushing loads of data and Privacy awareness has gotten bigger because of the snowden revelations So now people are starting to block things that they didn't block before Privacy badger didn't exist a few years ago And so the advertising industry is having to now pay the piper for Abusive practices and I'm not signaling. I don't think wired has had particularly abusive practices They're just the ones who are being a little aggressive in in this particular arena But you know those you know those websites i'm talking about where they just slap ads everywhere and big popovers and Noise and and it's it's a horrible experience Yeah, it's a nightmare in the case of the the wired one not to pile on them too much But I feel like it's also a little bit contrary to their content They they have they have been famous for years for featuring pieces articles or whatever on this very kind of issue. What is the future of? Security look like what is the future of personal information look like like they're they're a bastion of really great thinking in those arenas And to be one of the sites that is pushing this in this way Seems counter to the content and in that way that can harm user trust so So that that would worry me almost more than anything this would be one thing if it was like dig.com or somebody doing this But to have it be wired where for the most part they they seem to Be with the user on so many in so many ways this feels contrary to that and it I think it shows that Advertising companies are still Trying to equate we just need to sell some ads with we want to track you without your permission And know as much as possible about you as we can without you Consenting to it. Uh, and and you need to separate those that has to happen There you go. All right our pick of the day comes from me this time I was one of the Kickstarter backers for the euro routers and I got my wireless routers last night set them up and You know less than 24 hours in so it's not a fair test quite yet But so far very pleased really easy to set up Basic pack that I paid $299 for now runs 499 at retail but gives you three devices each one is a router Uh, each one is a range extender and each one is a wireless access point And there's software that optimizes how they communicate to each other So they can operate under one ssid. They create a mesh network Set up is an administration comes in an app on your phone. So it's very simple And you can do things like send guest network invites by text and email So you don't have to look around for your post-it note To give somebody your password. Uh, you can still buy a single unit at $199 and and that has some benefits But the real benefit is for a house like mine where one wireless access point wouldn't cover the whole house I now have instead of 100 megabits per second on two different access points Uh, I have 300 megabits per second, which is what I pay for across the whole area With with no different ssid not having to oh, I'm in the office. I have to use this other router now It's it's so far been fantastic Well, I have two isps in my house and one of the reasons I did it was for backup reasons The second reason I did it was because we have an interesting sort of sealing problem floor problem problem That really drastically reduces the downstairs wi-fi access point to who might be receiving it upstairs This sounds like that may solve that for me and save me enough money Over six months to actually pay for it. So I'm very interested in this. I'm glad to hear it's going well for you Yeah, and uh, and the other thing is you don't have to run any wires Like you have to put one of the access points by your modem obviously But then the other ones just need to be near electricity and they have ethernet ports on them So then you you can then connect maybe something that doesn't have wireless by ethernet Uh, it is expensive. I'm not going to deny that. Uh, you can get a router for 50 bucks these days But I would also so argue you kind of get what you pay for and if this is a particular problem for you It's going to solve it Uh, it it it also just makes your wireless network work better. At least that's what I've been able to tell They're also kind of sexy these little. Oh, yeah, they they made them so they look nice so that you could actually put them out Uh, and and get better coverage because you're not hiding them behind walls and stuff Yeah, it does look like a big gnarly antenna nightmare back there. These are these are yeah You'll have to report back on like extended use and so far so good Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks got a few emails before we're out of here Uh, hobbit toila kundal say uh shared some pictures Of the samsung store. This is the one we were talking about yesterday I'm going to try to on our video version Uh, share this but there'll also be a uh, there'll also be a link in the show notes If you're listening to audio the samsung 8 37 store is open for business This is the one we mentioned yesterday that doesn't sell things Now we got an email from tyler as well Who writes i've read interviews in fast company and elsewhere with angela errant's svp of retail at apple That says envisioning apple stores becoming gathering centers for local communities holding more classes small concerts school events Etc It's kind of what samsung's up to in new york All of these efforts to get people to want to spend time in these stores could be very well timed with the introduction Of vr and augmented reality technologies, which are particularly difficult to demonstrate on billboards and tv ads It's like i got a friend who has a gear vr But i haven't had time to get together with him and try it out But i can pop into a store and even having to first make a reservation like at apple when they introduced the apple Watch i could still try it out Whenever i want at a samsung store and these samsung stores, you know they have phones on Display, but they also have the smart kitchen with the samsung fridge And they even serve snacks looks like they have some salsa I think that thing is cool ever since i heard about it and saw photos what you're looking at now on video If you're seeing this on video, I think it is a rad looking place I would spend time in there even if there was things they couldn't necessarily purchase And he is dead right if there's one thing about this email I cannot sing the praises up enough It's this idea that everybody involved in vr now or in the future have got to start thinking About how are you going to demo this stuff? What is sony's plan? To in stores to have it easy to tell if you want that 300 or whatever it's going to cost thing or not How are these guys going to push it home in a way oculus and vive have an advantage? Because they're already speaking to this weird cutting-edge nerd crowd That's going to evangelize for them and they don't expect much more than them to be the early adopters There's a still a sizable bunch of people but that stuff's going to permeate out from there How are these gear vr playstation vr and other more direct to public approaches? How are you going to show those off because they don't video well? They don't stage well You need to put them on your head and find out and not get pink eye So there's challenges all around and i'm very curious about that and he's right at these these kinds of places And i still say apples getting into this vr. You know race at some point They provide a perfect place to come and have the space to do it and and to do it in a retail environment where you walk out buying something I think it's great. Although again, not a retail environment for samsung because they don't sell anything. No, that's true Yeah, that's kind of weird. Uh, hey, uh, thanks to avatweila condolce for taking those snaps and send it to us. That was fantastic Brandon is a game developer who gave us some insight into sword art online's forthcoming vr game That's the one that ibm is uh co partnering on with namco bondai Uh, brandon says in sword art online or sao the games are run on a device that uses deep dive technology He's talking about the story that is the inspiration for the game He says this is basically a way to induce someone to do a dreamlike state where they are inside a virtual world Everything would be as if you were actually standing on the ground no controller No vr headset on your face the only downfall to using sao Would be that the premise of the story is the characters are trapped in a vr world and cannot log out They're told that death in the game is death in real life. So that may potentially freak people out Uh, and then leo, uh wrote in and said yesterday you talked about the sao mmo by ibm you were confused about the use of watson Uh, I don't know confused is the right word, but we were wondering what it was for He says as a fan of the show and the manga Remembered that the world had a system where they used an ai to generate the world and create quests I could see them doing that with watson with the sao game. I can't believe this is happening I'm so excited. Uh, so watson could create adaptive quests that change the story as you go Yeah, I mean when this story broke and all the subsequent chatter about it, it just leads me down this path of You know, it's so easy to want to compare it to that to the book to um Uh, the book. What's the book called my brain just went to our online No, the other thing the one that we have a player one ready player one. Gosh dang it. That's the one. Thank you, johnny Uh, this is the this this sounds like the beginnings of that sort of thing And I don't mean, you know thematically or story-wise, but but I am all about this This is the stuff tom like in 1992 you and I as young college College dudes were dreaming about that we were promised this sort of thing And this stuff's just is inching closer to reality Uh as virtual as it you know as it may be I'm really really really excited and the fact that they're basing it on this manga and also the stuff is cool and all But I'm more interested in What does that mean if watson's the thing pumping out quests? That's more than just Quests that's something else. That's dynamic quests. That's some kind of algorithmically generated thing That means everybody's having a different experience like the possibilities are crazy and endless and I'm equally jazzed Leo and Brandon are right to be excited. I've got a question then from Ron for you. He says look, I'm a mechanical engineer Of the senior vintage I'm somewhat of a geek with two pcs on my desk with four screens But I've never been a gamer. I'm getting lots of info and comments on virtual reality from you and others My question is So what is it just a gaming tool? What will be the use in the near future and down the road? So many more uses and features So many things that aren't gaming related. In fact, I've said on this show and others as a huge gamer I think the number one use for vr And it's killer apps whatever those may be will not be gaming focused There will be plenty of cool games. There'll be lots of neat experiences. All that's true But I think that the real killer app for all of these things Is creating virtual experiences whatever those experiences may be for some it's therapy Trying to deal with anxiety disorders and sitting on a virtual beach with virtual sound virtual Water lapping up at your feet and sort of a virtual space to to reset your brain for others It's I've never been to Egypt. I've never been and never been into the the the pyramids And I'm going to take a virtual tour tour through there despite the fact that I You know was rendered paralyzed by an accident in a car accident, but I can still have this experience So it's those kinds of things It's just a matter of how quickly people get their heads wrapped around it How quickly we start making movies within 360 degree space and haphazard be compelling and interactive There's so much more than games this time around. I do not think that games will be the leading edge on this I think the games Well, they may be leading edge in that oculus has a game packed into it and Well, yeah, all the all the vr headsets are going to be led by games For sure, but you what you're saying is you don't think that will be the killer app I think that's the easy way in that's all I think that's just that's just the the stuff that gets you in the door Yeah, that's the easy stuff the hard stuff is going to be when we really put our heads to and create tools and interactive experiences And people are painting in tim veck in the chat room says that ron's question is the question everyone has he's not alone Uh, but but you're right. There's all kinds of things yet to be done Most recently someone used a doctor used a gear vr headset to model surgery on a baby's heart To allow them to conduct the surgery when they couldn't have if they didn't have the 3d model Yeah, that's my mechanical engineer like ron. I'd say what about cad What about being able to walk around inside a design and be able to see it from perspectives that you couldn't otherwise And this isn't a knock against ron, but what is the one thing that happens with every new? Revolutionary potentially revolutionary piece of technology whether it's mobile or desktop or whatever it may be It's always well What's good is this other than me playing games on it? It seems like that's what everyone always says and then we find this stuff So it's a lot of potential and not a lot of realization yet, but man It feels palpable this time around and I hope that helps you out ron To imagine a few other things besides games that it could be good for Thank you scott johnson frogpans.com. Of course twitter.com slash scott johnson. What you got going on brother? Well, I can tell you a very interesting little tech moment. My wife just walked in very quietly and handed me a repaired iphone I cracked my screen for the first time in the seven or so years I've owned an iphone and I took it in and within I don't know an hour and a half. They they replaced my screen So there you go. Uh, I am doing all kinds of things lots of stuff going on You can find more information at frogpans.com. It's a brand new show with fellow dTns contributor Justin robert young that we're doing now on monday's cold hotline monday It is all phone calls all the time talking about hot nerdy topics of the day and letting you guys chime in That's the main focus of it. That's every monday You can find details of when it's live and available in an archive format over at frogpans.com slash hotline monday Thanks to all those people who support the show. Uh, we are Always looking to say if you get value out of the show All we ask is you give us a little value back. Is it a dollar a month? Is it five dollars a month? Is it more? 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That's 5125932459 kept to the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alphakigradio.com and diamond club dot tv And visit our website daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with justin robert young talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro What was that i don't know i heard shooing Right at the end came out of jenny's video because a pop all right i confess I thought i still had it muted and i was throwing a plastic bag down so you wouldn't That's what i'm sorry Well your plastic bags sound like eating weird well i was just eating out of the plastic bag I immediately had a picture of someone chomping on daikon ready. Oh my god Oh, that's funny. Um, that's the infinite that's the infinite gain. Uh, uh sound effect at the end. Yeah, right infinite Relooping uh audio. I made this Um Actually in the infinite game universe it would be i ordered this Hey, uh, i made my first hello fresh Meal us. Thanks god. Oh, how was it? How'd it go for him? It was great. It was one of the jamie oliver ones I'll tell you all about it on current keek. That's what we had too. We can talk together about it Awesome, aren't they good? We blew aprons Oh, yeah, yeah How's that what so you're still doing it? I undid it for a while because when matt started to work It was like, uh, i'm never gonna cook these and then I really missed it And then I reordered it There's so those services are so nice because Everything's there. Yeah, like you it was looking at this. I'm like, you know, I could I could have bought all this But it's just so nice to have it. It's just saving you the time I didn't have to look for the small package of cilantro. I got exactly the number of cauliflower that I need Yeah, I uh and the boxes the blue apron boxes. I think have significantly gotten smaller Which they I think they've made an effort towards because I was really unnerved by the big box for like three Nights of food. It was like too much. So I think they're working on as zoe points out in the chat room My cooking of the aloo gabi is on snapchat. Yeah Probably still nice Yeah, they're really it's good they do a good job I like that it just takes away Me having to decide to eat something and because my always my decision is now that there's postmates I'm like, well, I'm just gonna click these buttons And so taking away the the having to think shop and prep And it just arrives in a box is super useful All right Uh Hammer and may cause invalid page faults Uh Jow me the m5 Jow me the m5, I mean, you know make show me got it Those chuckle heads I'm shine ceo. I'm taking your ads and going home It's essentially what he was saying. Yeah Um Don't block me bro even block bro ribbit toaster Apple pulls out all the writs what RITS got it. I mean, there's always if you build out fiber google will come never hurts So i'm getting that none of these are really blowing any of us away Yeah Xamarin is not a medication That's right. Didn't I oh, no, that was the one I didn't read I went xamarin may cause invalid page faults That's the only one that's gotten a A reaction I kind of like that one But I like dumb dumb things like that Let's use it Something for more than four hours go to the doctor, but it's too long God, I really uh, I'm excited. You mean Sophia Viagra. Oh, sorry Sorry, sorry. I missed everybody. I'm not saying something and he's the boss What were you saying tom? Nothing. I I was making a call back to tms and said you mean Sophia Viagra Yeah, you think I have a hard time with condolce's name Man drunk or uh, uh, Nicole really tripped on uh, Sophia Viagra's name today. It was great It cracked me up You guys were awful too because she was like Sophia and then she's like, I'm not gonna say it You're like, come on say it take a check take a stand say it We have so many clips of her. I had to get another one. I know Jenny, what were you saying before I Forget Oh the call-in show. I'm like super excited to listen to it. You should check it out. It's got a rss feed not to see in here Old ones, but um, it's really fun. You should call in sometime It's basically a lot like what we do on his tms segment except it's way more like people all driven, you know Let's see you should take a page from problem solvers and do everyone so I'll do a call out show Oh, I like that. You just call people up. You're like, what are you doing? I'd be all right with that What how do they do like uh listeners or something or yeah, people people sign up ahead of time with their problems and then they call and say What the salt what the solution is It sounds like fun. I would do that It's sarah lane's best bit On night attack tpm pacific Yeah, so we're gonna have a 10 minute overlap every monday Assuming you guys Wasn't my idea it was jury Oh, I'm gonna yell at him. I think it's the only time that worked for you guys both Yeah, it's also the only schedule like he he approached me with the idea was his idea He says hey, we should do this thing. We talked about it for a long time back and forth since probably november and We finally decided on a big part of it was Okay, the goal here is minimal prep Yeah The only day where it fits And then maybe and then maybe this works. I'm like, yeah, I think that works. So then we did it now. I'm I am positively jealous Like because it's such a great idea. I'm like, ah, that's genius Yeah, it's really just really fun And it's it it plays to his strengths. I think it plays to mine It's there's a good straight man wacko kind of combo happening. It's good. Oh, I'm excited I'm gonna listen to it right after this show. Yeah, it's fun I think our even our beta episode which technically isn't episode one I think that was a that was a real nice surprise because tons of phone calls like Yeah, constant stream I thought we're gonna have to be begging for them and we've yet to have a moment where there wasn't somebody ringing Trying to get in Now that's better than like the the big lie at the rock station. I worked at in champagne Urbana Was that, you know, we do seventh caller wins the album and there'd be like two callers I give it to the second guy So you so you'd basically like, you know, what you'd do is you We had a bank with that had 10 10 lines And so you would just let it fill up until you got to the seventh is what you're supposed to do And then you just pick up the seventh caller and hang and just everybody else would just go away You'd never talk to the other callers Wow So what you'd have to do is like most of the time you just wait until it felt like well I should have gotten seven by now and then you'd pick up the second one Oh my god Fraud Yeah, we don't have to fake him yet, but we're if anything there's too many and I wish I had a way to like screen And we don't have any of that but when I first started doing it Producer Scott Johnson I still I don't even technically know how to get him to screen Like there's I mean, yeah, I would but it requires a bunch of stuff not just a person I think I know how I think I know how you could do it. Oh, yeah Right, all right slack me your little ideas. I will Your big idea It'd be crude, but you could totally could you just do it with a third person who's muted? Possibly except the problem is the calls come in I don't know how they add them. It's all trying to figure out So so all right. So here's how it works right now It's the sky and jury right we're on skype I have a phone number that I pay for through skype That is a Static number and people can call it from their phones when they call there's a little plus button next to them I hit that it adds into the call right now on the column. We're talking to them when we're done I just remove them from the group and they're out Uh, there's no way to put anyone on hold. They just call and if it rings forever They don't get through then they get a voicemail thing they get out and try again Um, and as far as I know there wouldn't be a way to have a third muted party Bring them in Or they could bring them in but that's not the hard part The hard part is like it'd be cool to be able to like screen them if they have a terrible call quality We could skip some of those if they right so it's not about having a person It's about having a way for a person to screen the calls. There you go. That's I'm getting out Is there no way in skype to add To to have a group like say I was on a call with tom Right and then we wanted to join another call together. I don't think you can suggest You couldn't suggest outside phone calls in there Because it'd be you'd have to be in your own you'd have to be in your own group First of all except those calls there say hey, you're calling for the show. Yep My name is whatever you do the whole call screener thing and say, okay Well, hang in tight. We'll bring you in next Then there's no that I know of way to then take that and push it into the call that Justin and I are on Because they would be separate calls you'd have to be if you're going to talk to them Or else you'd just be talking to us at the same time We're doing a show. Do you know what I mean? And it's the same way I take live calls on tms or anything else and it works fine It's just the way the thing that would make it really optimal for me is if there was a way to say Boy, that guy's under a bridge and I can't hear him or That guy's perfect. We should talk to him or this guy's trolling us which we haven't had any of that But if we did we could nip some of that in the bud Well, anyway the way to do it The only other way to do it is to um Is to have the hotline number go to like a screener Pool And then once they pass screening you say call this number that isn't given out publicly and it goes straight to you and there's There's slack communication between The host and the screener. Yeah, you could totally do that So like they could even be in the sky But I get that part of the appeal is like call this number and you'll get to talk to scott Or scott and justin like I get that fun part of it But uh, it might grow to the point where you needed your Public facing one to go to a separate call and then be given the magic number That's kind of what i'm thinking or or maybe through discord or something else, you know, there may be that's the other thing is maybe Maybe there's other Ways to do this right to out audio. I mean, certainly I could do it internally if I had an office with an extra person over there I could just say, you know, I could do some sort of audio routing something and make that work Like that wouldn't be that big a deal but that takes, you know The body the cost the whatever well, you need a second instance of skype in your in your stream and recording Yes, correct part of the problem is that you're doing the show on skype And so you can't have another skype I mean you can actually Well, we could do like a skype a sorosy kind of thing. Yeah, but then it's still an issue of How do we get everyone to hear each other? I mean, it's just kind of a because because we take calls when we do the fsl tonight hangout I'm able to rig it and I can explain later how it's rigged so that and and this works for the analyst calls for dts as well So that there's a person That calls on skype and they can hear all of us from the From the the hangout And then they can talk to us And so what what if you used that system? And maybe you can do it with skype and skype instead of just hangout skype I don't see any reason why you couldn't Then you would just need to add a second person to the second instance of skype that people are calling into To do the screening and then they could have a back channel through chat that says, okay. I've screened this call. He's ready Yeah, that's not bad actually that might work. I didn't think about Also, there's some good suggestions for tapping and you need a second computer Yeah, you do have to have two computers for that You have to have two computers obviously to route the audio from one to the other You need the second mixer to pull the trick of them being able to hear you while you being able to hear them without having echoes, right? Good point I'm going to play around with that. There's also some new routing software that's supposed to be pretty good I never trust that but maybe it'll work. I don't either. Um, I really like wiretap Anywhere, but then they quit supporting it like completely and totally screwed everybody but when it was working. It was amazing I'm like worked No, I remember I used to use it instead audio hijack since then it's like if everything's real sketchy hijack's pretty good. Although the hijack people just put out something too called, uh, Oh Real quick That's this all the way Got in the mail a fan sent me the is this first season Oh Someone sent me the flash on blu-ray Oh, nice. Hi frog pants. Love your shows. I appreciate all you do as I understand it You have not watched the flash yet and that is a crime. I hope you enjoy it. Walter glass. Well, that's sweet Oh, it's a nice gesture. Yeah, how'd you get my address? They wouldn't have had to do it I mean you can get it on hulu. Yeah, no, but that's just really not super And I get all the extras and stuff gas not is it gas for the g That's a weird last name I shouldn't say that it gave me into cool video thing. Anyway, that was really nice Blu-ray flash. All right. Now I have no excuse It is on hulu. I just haven't gotten around to it Um, anyway, sorry. What was I gonna say? I was gonna say that, um There's something about something right Now I forgot about skype Or something Dang it Is that what we were talking about? Maybe oh, oh, yeah, that was it. So the audio hijack people Just came out with a product to Look up so I can see the name in the right description. So the bogamita that's who makes it Their new thing is called Try us find it What version of hijack are you using Tommy you on three point whatever? I don't even know Yeah, I'm on three two one Calm down. So Is it called? Dude, I bet we know this because we were just talking about it. Let's see. That's that's really good. Oh, here it is loopback From from the same people, um Brand new application loopback tool to make it easy to pass audio from one application to another Uh, you can create virtual audio devices take the sound from applications and limit input devices Send it to audio processing applications high-end mixing board right inside of your computer It looks I mean essentially feature for feature. It's supposed to be On par with uh With what wiretap accomplished um But I haven't heard anybody whether they like it or not and what was it called loopback It's made by rogue meba. So if you got a rogue amoeba.com it's in their store page And they make audio hijack. So they've been at this for a while this sort of stuff. I use audio hijack. I like it Yeah Yeah, I mean for what it does. It's it's pretty good Um, I really wish they I wish wiretap had just open sourced what they were doing because it was amazing Nothing really worked for me, but it quit working. They stopped supporting it after snow leopard So I stayed at my old computer. I stayed on snow leopard for like Longer than I needed to or something It's really annoying Well, I look forward to it and I'm going to listen to it while eating my shaved brussel sprouts Which are sitting right here And I'm not going to eat them on air because that is rude, but I keep looking at them How do you uh, how do you have a brussel sprouts? Uh, because I am an asshole and I ordered postmates If you wanted to know how I got my finally prepared food on the josephson, I ordered it. All right I like postmates are all right I know but it's an insidious habit I know it makes it so easy All right, I'm gonna end our broadcast day Thank you all