 Old artists are still getting to the bag and when I say old artists, I do mean old old artists. Yes. Yes. That is a fact check out This stat right here. I think artists y'all will find is interesting man this is a list of Composers right how much will composers earn today on Spotify based off of Numbers that I believe they're still seeing and their activity. That's you get a chance to look into that Right, right. That's like rough estimate of current stuff, right current things that are actually happening today, right? So you got Johan Bach, you know, usually we just go off the last names back then 267 thousand dollars well 267 thousand eight hundred seventy eight dollars awful Spotify a year twenty two K a month Bay token will be getting two hundred thirty six K Wolfgang or Mozart and I don't even recognize some of these names When I when I say it like that 235 K now When we go way deep, I don't even recognize some of these classical artists I'm not gonna lie, but we all know the top three. So keep that I doesn't actually a couple lessons that I think comes from that A couple lessons, but the first lesson, I think that this talks about is I mean longevity when you're Audience there when they last boy They last Centuries to build Your fan base and you know when your music is kind of seen as like a cultural apex, right? Like classical music kind of has that Stigma of being for certain demographic of people certain caliber of a person, right? I don't think that's going away anytime soon. So yeah, I like that. I wish there was a way to like One to see how much money they were making back then and then compared it to right would have you paid more today? They were getting funded by people back then Yeah, exactly. Most of them music then pop up to they died. You know saying like lots of them were like The definition of a struggling artist like I know we talk about the struggle artists today But no, they were truly struggling. You know, like you said, let's say we're funded by some some high-end wealthy person or something But I would love to just get that comparison player. What was they told me making that thing? I'm saying, what was it? Sure, man, do the do a quick little Google on your phone real quick to look that up But why we while the jacquory does that? Like jacquory said though, like we talk about a fan base lasting, right? So we already talked about we might as well some way work this in 21 Savage saying that not That nice isn't relevant except for the fact he just got a strong fan base and good music That right there sounds like a straight troll. I'm like, I can't believe that there's so so much hypocrisy in that statement You know, you're not relevant, but you got a strong fan base a loyal fan base Yeah, actually a good music, but we hear that lasting value We see somebody like Nas who would probably be what 25 to 30 years in now some somewhere Right, and then you go hundreds of years So what is lasting look like and I think when we talk about Let's say Nas, right something that's more achievable and what most artists are thinking about Lasting throughout your lifetime. That means making that really powerful connection with that set of people Whoever that set of people is right and then of course you can vary the size of that but making a real Impact in connection with those people and continuing to remain relevant with them, right? But you touched on something that I think creates extra lasting value that never really gets talked about where You said the classical artist that Genre in general really right is a cultural apex, right? It's symbolic with a certain culture. So it makes me think It are their ways that Artists in modern times can make themselves synonymous with pockets of culture so they can last, you know What do you think about that? It's a good question. I I think it's easier for more niche artists to do, right? So we the last part we talked about like the the Jersey Club house artist if you're a person that's listening to that type of music where most of those artists don't get to be big or mainstream Then they're probably gonna be people in there that are the apex of that culture because that that music scene as a whole isn't Like massive right or hasn't gotten it yet versus pop right who can become the apex of pop music when there's so many massive pop artists Right, it's gonna tell us with gonna weekend. No, nobody after Michael really exactly right. Yeah, so I think it's much harder to do Currently in the more mainstream genres, but the sub category genres that come up that just pop up like randomly every couple of months So I think for those people it's a bit easier because we've seen what happens when Niche cultures get a strong like foothold and they last they create these massive pockets of fans and artists that go into the radar But if you learn about it and you know, you're like, oh shit, this is way bigger than I thought it was, right? Right, and then so I think in that world. Yes pop culturally or mainstream probably not I can't see it I could see that because in that smaller pocket, right? There's always this idea of respect Right like if you're into this genre, this isn't one of those fly-by-night no pop shit No, you gotta know right and you gotta respect basically You know the four founders or who for our forefathers or whoever looked at the as the peak of that specific genre So that makes sense. I can see that and I think there's also an opportunity to Be symbolic in ways beyond music itself, but still do it through your music All right now, this is obviously a little bit older, but if you look at Bob Marley, all right his music 100% Did well in its time, right for what it was relatively He wasn't the biggest artist in the world per se, but the music alone was doing well And then at some point there came a turn in his career where there was the you know freedom fighting That came along and his music right and him itself became Symbolic of an entire movement, right and you can go all around the world like I remember being in Brazil and This dude, I was out there with man shout to Jabril, I ain't seen you in a minute man, but Everybody would be like Bob Marley Bob Marley Sort of but not really, you know, I mean one of those other things he had the beard and the locks and everything So but he has that face card though, right? And when you think about it and it's not till you really travel a lot of time you start thinking about what like world Right recognition recognition really is like. Yeah, right. Like there's only a select few when you get into What Bob Marley Michael Jackson Michael Jordan Muhammad Ali and You have people like In a modern day Beyonce and Kanye right have that but I think Beyonce's probably more limp even Kanye both of them are a little bit more limit It was funny. I was in it in the comment section the other day of Some random video I remember but someone was talking about how Wherever he's from like no one really knows what Kanye is Which was in it's somewhere. I think it was in South America or whatever But he was like, yeah, like like people making a big deal. Like, oh, how can you not know who Kanye is? Like it's a lot of people don't know who Kanye is which is like hard to imagine Yeah, right coming from America and I think I remember my uncle. I believe I think it was my uncle Who was telling me about that somebody I know had a friend that? Got some money and they're in one of these spaces and places that Oprah is around and for whatever reason Kanye was there on that occasion too, and he was pretty upset Because some lady didn't like know who he was or whatever. So It's the thing right like no matter how big you think right the world will humble you the world will humble you It's a lot of people out there and everybody doesn't have time right every like, you know There's presidents of nations and and or kings and stuff that I don't know You know what I mean? What are you a king or what like me? 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All right, so I think this Like bringing around it's interesting that one that we're in this age where You can still take advantage of pockets and create lasting value But it's very unlikely to be on the scale that it used to be able to be on right But at the same time Those small pockets have become bigger pockets Right. So for artists who are like, yo, I don't want to be pop but I want to be Whatever your version of india and your specific category is it's no longer not feasible to make a lot of money in a lot of these different sub-genres and lifestyles is like this now It's like you it's not just about Those people in your state or your country you can reach those people across the world And it actually adds up to decent amount of income and lifestyle and people. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like pretty much we're Not going to see as many massive superstars, but we're going to see a lot more successful artists Which are also things going to make yeah becoming a massive superstar Even more coveted and wanted by artists Yeah, the goal post changes like every five years right now everybody wants to be I just want to be a successful artist I want to get a chance to do it. So when I want to be famous like now you're asking for something that's much harder to do Yeah, um, then is then but I mean, I think we talk about ones like the middle class of artists is going to grow Then by default the lower class is going to grow as well because more people are going to see the middle class and the upper class Oh, that's just easy. Let me get in on that. I'm saying cheaper to get in but I do think that's the cool thing about it Going back to even like the classical artist conversation That means I think it's easier to become the face of a cultural movement when there are less of you fighting for that spot Right, which is the benefit that any artist Really pre I will argue probably modern radio had the benefit of right like you were A big fish in a in a pond with nobody else in it Or a Pond of people that we didn't know even existed right and you know, so we go back to that thousands of years ago First ones to kind of do it, you know So maybe not the first ones do but the first that kind kind of doing it right now We're learning about then they became a cultural movement And I don't I can't think of any modern day Superstar classical artists. So that I don't know if you remember I had this mentor that um Dominated the jazz charts. Oh, yeah, right? Like he told me he hopped into jazz because he's like jazz is so undeserved right now There's no superstar jazz artists like all the big superstars are artists from decades ago So if you come in you get one two good jazz songs like you can easily shot to choose the top of charts And that's exactly what he did he came in Produced one or two, you know saying good songs and shot to the top of that He can say he's a billboard charting jazz artists, right? And so I look at the same over classical music like most of the people that dominate classical music are artists that we've known about Forever, you know For every part of my lifetime who's coming on to take that spot Probably a hard thing to take because of that exact thing. This is the apex of it that we've all been taught You're not getting any bigger than mozart. You're not getting bigger than they're chopping and Tuscasi How do you say his name? You know what I'm saying? So they get a ghost man. It's crazy. It's crazy, right exactly, bro. You were literally fighting ghosts Fighting dead people and I look I found it too. So apparently uh, mozart was making a Beethoven was making four thousand florins a year Which comes out to about a hundred thousand dollars in today's country. He's making like a hundred cat year It's not as bad as I thought He was doing decent High-value man He was up there Shout out to mozart, bro Oh, man, that's funny So, I mean, I mean that that's that's really interesting because you Like I want to transition to this advice It's rare this we got a really dope step for y'all and it's going to change how you approach your content Going forward period. But before I get to that what you just said is It makes me think about you have these genres if you happen to be listening to this and you're a classical artist Surprise, but we appreciate it or you're an opera. So you're jazz. I know we got somebody in jazz Applying modern marketing techniques Hey, that's that's the way to go because most of y'all's genres are behind And so orthodox That somebody just has to break the mold and like bite the bullet be a little bit disliked By the old guard and get some, you know, hey, good morning. Get some money Right get some people who actually aren't as purist to that genre To show you love and now you go commercial and you'll probably be the one right at the moment because especially things like that those type of genres It's hard to see a a complete re re renaissance, right? Or a reawakening where it's like, oh, yeah, this jazz artist has popped out and now he's going crazy and All of a sudden now there's four or five more It's harder. It might create a generation that then thereafter like re um innovates But Yeah, you're not going to see like all of a sudden three jazz artists pop up at the same time Right partially because of marketing and how people exploit shit, right? And what I mean by that is let's just imagine you got Some jazz artists pop out of nowhere or a classical artist. Let's go with a classical artist He pops up and for whatever reason he's commercially cool. He gets that What's going to happen? Everybody's going to start doing collaborations with that person. Yeah, all right They're going to want that they're going to want the number one is the value of being considered number one People want to use your equity and seem cool because you're of the moment And that's not really going to give much chance to The rest of them to hit that level, all right You might have some people who now open their ears more up To the genre or that music style. So you'll still see an increase in listens in that space But It'll be a big wealth gap. Let's say that. Yeah, you know wealth of attention You know, I let alone money and all the in streams and all that other stuff Yes, I understand like something like that would like you said more so be said another next generation of classical artists Give me a hey, you know you guys here now Now y'all still probably kind of ass out, but yo the next one's in 10 15 years. That'll be great You know the same way we'll wrap right looks like how all the old rappers are basically martyrs for rappers today You know say they have to walk so a little baby could fly you know Just the way of the game