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So with that, ladies and gentlemen, Fight the Flat Earth has volunteered to go first, but before we do start the timer for him, I wanna let you know both his link and Nathan's link I've put in the description. So if you're listening and you're like, hmm, I want more, well, you can get more. I highly encourage you. Click on those links. They're waiting for you just down in that description box. So very excited folks, Fight the Flat Earth. Glad to have you here. Nathan Thompson, glad to have you here. Gentlemen, thanks so much for being with us tonight. Thank you for having me back on the channel again, James. Always a pleasure. Happy to be here. Thanks, James, you're awesome. You know my big supporter. Guys, if you're listening and you haven't subscribed to the channel, please do. I've been listening long enough to where I'm a Patreon. So a big fan of the channel. I love what you do, James. Thanks. I appreciate that encouragement. And we are stoked as we are going to get the timer started for Fight. And so I have got 12 minutes. You don't have to use all of it. So if either of you feel like you're... Now you just got my video to play for that 12 minutes. You betcha. So I will switch it over for that opening statement from Fight the Flat Earth. He has sent me a video beforehand. I've not watched this. So completely spontaneous. It's something special. You never know what you're going to get. So we are flipping it over right now, folks, to Fight the Flat Earth's opening statement. We're living on a disk, floating through space with a tiny sun. Are you getting it so Nathan can see it on the screen? Hey, I'm FTFE from the channel that shoves stupidity feet first into a wood chipper. I can watch on the YouTube. On YouTube. Yeah, do that. Yeah, I'm on YouTube on my phone. Don't worry, I got it. It's no use. From my evidence, I'm going to... Hold on, two secs. Hello? Hello. Hello, I'm Josh. Yes? Yes, NASA, I've got the script for the debate. I'm actually recording my opening argument right now. Yeah, I know. You already said that if I do well in the debate and stick to the official script, then you'll give me a massive bonus in my shield check this month. I mean, it's all right. It's only Nathan Thompson. No, I said you didn't need to do any research. It's like you found a home video of him as a child. Hollis, have a look. Do I go for a road, dad? Oh, god, I can't... Oh, yeah, I go for a road, dad. Go for a road, dad. Maybe I drop him again. Drop little Nathan. Hey, little guy. Oh, shit, he's face down in lead pain. He's making a mess. Anyway, with all the schools closing, Nathan must have loads of spare time, so I'd better go. Yes, NASA, I love you too. I'll just edit that part out. Where was I? Oh, yeah. For my evidence, I'm going to show 10 things that are impossible on a flat station on the Earth but explained perfectly on the globe that is rotating. Let me just check my script. OK. I'm a Earth kid. No flat earther has ever given a suitable answer for this because the stars are a major issue for flat earthers. But the biggest problem is Polaris, which can only be seen from the northern hemisphere and actually disappears from view behind the horizon as you go south of the equator. The position of Polaris in the sky actually helps sailors navigate for centuries using a sextant as at the poles, the north star is directly overhead. And for every degree in latitude you move towards the equator, the degree between the horizon and Polaris reduces. This is impossible on a flat and stationary Earth as you'd be able to see the north star at all times. And it can't be flirft-spective or any crap like that because that would not explain how observers here and here see the same stars yet can't see the star here. Talking about the stars, it's not just the position of them that causes a problem for flirfs, but also their motion. Because there is simply no way that on a flat stationary Earth you could have stars that in the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise and in the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise. Because the Earth is rotating, the sky appears to rotate. Viewed from above the north pole, the Earth is rotating counterclockwise. And for an observer on Earth, objects move from east to west. And this is true for both northern and southern hemispheres. So more accurately put, when looking north, objects in the sky move counterclockwise, and when looking south, they move clockwise. Perfectly explained by us sane people, no explanation on Pancake World. Number eight. Let's talk about our nearest star, the sun, because that's also a major problem for flat Earpers. Vines, apparently they prefer the word retard. Hi? Oh, very quiet. Because throughout the entire day, the angular size of the sun never changes. Due to the fact that the sun is 93 million miles away and much bigger than the Earth, the apparent size of the sun in the sky stays the same all day. This is impossible on a flatter if it has a smaller local sun. If that was the case then, the sun would grow in size as the day progresses and the sun gets closer and then shrink in size as the sun went off on its cosmic merry-go-round. Thanks to many observations of the sun with solar filters, we know that the angular size of the sun stays the same and it's also the same for the moon. Number seven. Talking about the sun, sunsets are a problem because only on a globe that is rotating away from the sun is this photograph possible. Unless it is Flatter of Contention that the sun physically drops below the height of that mountain, then there is no way a small and local sun could cast a shadow on the underside of those clouds. Impossible on a flat Earth, no problem for the heliocentric model. Number six. Let's go back to the moon for a second. The moon does a few things that are impossible on a flat Earth. Cause the tides, reflect sunlight, get landed on by humans, but it's the lunar eclipse that is the biggest issue for a flat Earth. In the heliocentric model, as the Earth matches the ecliptic plane of the sun and moon, it blocks out the reflected light from our largest satellite. I wonder what a lunar eclipse would look like on a flat Earth. Number five. Flat Earthers always say, show me the curve, show me the curve like a demented parrot. NASA-wise, Earth is flat. And the NASA-wise, flat. So here it is. In Miles Davis' photos from Terrapin Law in Fife, Scotland, you can see things that are impossible on a flat Earth. Looking towards Edinburgh, we see mountains that are 500 meters above sea level below an eye level of 210 meters, which both his camera and the tops of these bridge towers are. That would look something like this in an orthographic view. But even better is when Miles turns around 180 degrees and sees this, another reference point of 210 meters and the mountains in the background that have an elevation above sea level of 1,000 meters that also fall below that eye line. Number four. So we definitely have a curve. But what about rotation? Well, we can measure it. Bob? If the Earth is spinning at one rotation every 24 hours, that means that every hour has to turn 15 degrees. And if the gyroscope is mounted anywhere on Earth, it's going to drift. In today's 21st century navigation systems, they're using what's called a ring laser gyroscope. It is extremely precise. If we could simply get one of these ring laser gyroscopes, we would be able to prove once and for all that there is no rotation to the Earth. One of the people in the community actually purchased one for $20,000. But what we found is, is when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift, a 15 degree per hour drift. There is no explanation on a flat stationary Earth for why an interferometric fiber optic gyro would pick up a 15 degree per hour drift in three axes. It can't be any kind of electromagnetic or electrostatic charge from the heaven energies as light does not have a charge and is therefore unaffected by such things, not that there is any such thing as heaven energies. Number three. And if we are rotating, as confirmed by good old Bobby, thanks Bob, then there are certain effects that we should get. For instance, the Coriolis force, an apparent force caused by going from one area on the Earth with an angular velocity to another with less or more angular velocity and is all about the conservation of momentum. It's literally what causes hurricanes. And in a World War I naval battle between the English and the Germans, nearly Falkland Islands off Argentina, the English battle cruisers invincible and inflexible engaged two German warships at a range of nearly 10 miles. The English forgot to reverse the direction of their Coriolis correction. Their tables have been calculated for northern hemisphere projectiles. So they missed their targets by even more than if no correction had been applied. They ultimately won the battle against the Germans with about 60 direct hits, but it was not before over a thousand missile shells had fallen into the ocean. There's also the fact that current military manuals for artillery talk about correcting for the Earth's spin. Number two. And the Coriolis force causes other things, like the drift of a pendulum. As a pendulum swings, the swinging part will be above one area of angular velocity at one end of the swing and another one at the other end of the swing. Because of the law of conservation of momentum, this will induce a drift into the pendulum swing depending on the latitude. The gentleman physicist used this effect to pretty accurately figure out his latitude on Earth to within 1.5 degrees. No reason that you should be able to do that on a flat stationary imaginary world. Number one. A number consequence of the Earth rotating is the Jotvos effect. As the Earth is spinning, that means we have a centrifugal acceleration acting on us. At the equator where the angular velocity is the highest, it's about 0.03% of the gravitational acceleration, making us weigh about 0.5% more than at the poles. The Jotvos effect says that if we add to this centrifugal acceleration, then we could decrease our weight even more. In the early 1900s, they tested this on ships in the Pacific, Atlantic, and Indian Oceans. And more recently, Wolfie 6020 tested it on a plane travelling east to west and a plane travelling west to east and got results consistent with the predictions of our spinning ball satanic, sun worshipping globe cult. I mean the heliocentric model. So with so much evidence for the Earth being a globe and rotating and absolutely none whatsoever for it being flat and stationary, how do people even become flatter for us? Martin! He got this! He got this man. Keep bouncing. Go! Go! Go! Go, Nathan! Go, Nathan! Go, Nathan! Go, Nathan! Go, Nathan! Just like your practice. It's okay if it drops, it's okay. You just keep going, man. Just keep going. Go, man! Hey, buddy. Gotta tell you something, man. Ever hear the deer this flat? Really? Really? I gotta tell everybody. Yeah, no. He doesn't do something stupid. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much. That was Fight the Flatter. It's opening statement. We will now kick it over to Nathan Thompson for his opening statement as well. Thanks so much. The floor is all yours, Nathan. James, can you just make sure I'm sharing my screen properly? I'm going to go to keynote here on the Zoom meeting and click Share. I just want to make sure you guys can see that. You bet, sure can. And then how about when I hit Play? It's at full screen. Excellent. So, guys, my name is Nathan Thompson. I run the official Flat Earth and Globe discussion. We've got about 130,000 members in there. We don't allow cursing or insults. And I realize some of the information I'm going to talk about may seem a little disturbing, but the truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may try and deride it. But in the end, there it is. And so the most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think for himself without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. So if you know that the earth is flat, then you are deadly dangerous. You are the very type of person who's broken free from the conditioning and do not by hook, line, and sinker to the lies that the public education and the mass fake mainstream media are spreading. The biblical account of creation, the reality that we live in, anyone can test and we'll get to all the science in a minute, is critical because through God's creation, He reveals His glory and His handiwork. Psalm 19 one says the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork. So I'm not asking you guys to believe anything you're about to see here, but at least hear me out before you do. And also if you're a Christian, search the scriptures. If you're not a Christian, do your own research and experiment. And if you're a Christian, also do your own research and experiments because in the Bible it says, test all things and hold fast to that which is true. I have three arguments today. They deal with fluid statics, fluid dynamics and the second law of thermodynamics. I don't have any fancy cartoons or gory images. I'm not here to make fun of fight the flat earth. I understand where he's coming from. I was a glober for 30 years. I understand it's a lot of indoctrination that people need to get over when they realize that the earth is flat. And then also with that comes a lot of criticism because not everyone that you know is gonna accept that fear of this flat right away. But over time, both my brothers are now flat earthers. I've been getting text messages from my brother's friends on Instagram and direct messages saying, hey, your brother turned me into a flat earther, but I have questions about seasons or how does GPS work? So guys, if there's anything under the sun that we don't talk about tonight in the presentation, I want you to super chat that to James and I will make sure I cover that in the question and answer portion at the end of the show. I'm happy to stay here as long as that takes, okay? So the three arguments, first we're gonna start with does the earth spin? Now Craig will allege that there is some type of Coriolis force. So I wanna look at the two ways a spinning earth could affect our atmosphere. First, it would cause the atmosphere to rotate as a cohesive, synchronized body. It's not what Craig says. Craig says there would be a Coriolis effect or it would cause it to be like a giant blender. The atmosphere move separately from the rotating earth. It's problems with both of these. First, let's look at the atmosphere moving as one cohesive body. So that would mean that the atmosphere increases in velocity, the higher you go up in altitude, the higher levels would have to travel faster to keep with the surface air guys. What natural force could do this? Not only is there no sideways pulling force that could increase air in velocity just to make it maintain the speed of the presupposed rotating earth going 1,000 miles an hour. But we also observed jet streams in 200, 300 miles an hour, eastward and westward. So that would mean that the jet streams would be outpacing the rotation of the earth. They'd actually be going faster than the rotation of the earth and including that increase in velocity that they would be experiencing too because they are farther outward from the center of the earth. So a column of air will not move as one cohesive body as a result of moving your hand back and forth through the air or as a result of the earth spinning 1,000 miles an hour. That's not what happens. That's not how fluid dynamics work. And good thing that's not Craig's argument. Craig's argument was the atmospheric blender. What would really happen to the atmosphere if the earth spun? Now, you'll witness here on the left, if you blend up those paints, the majority of this velocity is in the center near where the paint is being spun by the instrument but out towards the outer layers, it's not being dragged. It's not all being pulled. So if earth were a spinning ball, this is an indisputable law of fluid dynamics. The earth would have what's called a Coriolis force. The problem is we do not observe a Coriolis force because the earth does not rotate under anything. Doesn't rotate under hotter balloons, airplanes, drones, insects, balls you throw in the air, volcano smoke, nothing. So if the earth were rotating 1,040 miles an hour, they would account for an airplane flight. Now this is just a 29 mile per hour crosswind and the airplane can't even land. So what makes people think that it's moving 1,040 miles per hour other than what we've been told and I do wanna bring up the ring laser gyroscope. I thought it was interesting that the cartoon glow that they showed in the background is the cartoon, obvious cartoon. If you Google pictures of the South Pole from space, those are all cartoons. And I actually wanna show some of those later. I haven't pulled up but pictures of satellites from space, those are all cartoons. Pictures of the solar system in space, those are all cartoons. Now smoke on a moving surface, reality, it would have a drag. It would not go straight up and down like smoke on a stationary surface behaving like this. Now see how I'm using real pictures, real observable evidence that anyone can see themselves. So and sometimes there's no wind at all outside. So to assume that the earth is spinning 1,040 miles an hour, if you strap a rocket to the back of this right here, what's gonna happen to the hotter balloons, the people, the buildings, the airplanes and the mountains. They're all of course gonna go flying off because that's how fluid dynamics work. And so this is really simple. The cartoon spinning ball is fairy tale, SpongeBob imagination land. It's not science, it's not supported with reality. Okay, now this is just 100 miles an hour. I don't think life as we know it, ladies and gentlemen, would even be possible on a spinning globe. And why do people think that 1,040 miles an hour just have no impact? At five miles an hour you can feel it. At 60 miles an hour people lose their lunch and throw up but 1,040 miles an hour is just a walk in the park. Now water on a spinning ball behaves like this on the left, mud flinging off a spinning tire behaves like this on the right. So what would the oceans do on 1,040 mile per hour rotating earth? Now my second argument I want to bring up is could the atmosphere even exist without a physical barrier or what God calls the firmament or what the Beatles called the yellow submarine or what SpongeBob calls the pineapple under the sea. Okay, or NASA calls them the Van Allen belts. Ezekiel one calls them the wheels in the sky, moving to and fro containing the spirits. So basically what I'm saying is we live under some type of container. And I would say that the vacuum of space could not exist next to Earth's pressurized atmosphere without a container. Now NASA will tell you they go to heavens in a rocket. I'll tell you don't believe them. They're lying and stealing $52 million a day in line to all the kids in the education system. Bible says it would be better if a millstone was hung around your neck and you jump in a lake than you mislead children. I hope you take note of that, fight the flat Earth. So this argument right here, it's real simple guys. It's like asking can a tire rim have air pressure around it without a tire while in a vacuum? Of course not. It would have to, the tire rim would have to have a tire around it to have gas pressure. And gravity can't hold gas for the Earth when a stronger force is pulling on it from the outside. Third is the Earth a globe, third argument. I wanna bring up, now Earth, mainstream science will tell you the Earth is a globe, 24,901 miles in diameter. Or sorry, the radius will be 3,959 miles. The circumference of Earth is 34,901 miles. This would necessitate a vertical drop tangent to your feet in all directions of approximately 0.666 feet or eight inches per mile squared. We also do not observe this, at 10 miles we should witness 66.6 feet of Earth curve in all directions. At 100 miles there should be over a mile of Earth curvature in all directions. We do not observe this, it's a simple law of fluid statics. The Earth is 70% water, large bodies of water do not curve. Here's a little observation anybody can do for themselves. Go to Chicago, I've done this with Rick Hummer who filmed the Michigan experiment or observation with Rob Schiba. They basically took a boat from one side of the lake to the other to confirm that this was not a mirage because the news actually said that what you're seeing when you go to the other side of Lake Michigan and view Chicago is a mirage. Now there's no characteristics of a mirage, there's no towering, there's no looming, there's no waviness. I would submit guys that what you're seeing is what you get. The Earth is flatter than a pancake. Now that was just from 39 miles but there's another famous photo. Excellent, thank you. There's another famous photo. Joshua Nnewicki took. So I'm just gonna breeze through these real quick and I'll skip a couple of slides here. I wanna show Mount Jacinto in the infrared because from 123 miles guys, we should not be seeing all of this mountain. Also take a look at specular reflections, large bodies of water, do not curve, there's no light diffusion, they are perfect mirrors and I could go on and on. Loads don't disappear over an apparent horizon because the problem changes day to day. Thank you so much, James, for the time. Guys, subscribe and support the channel. Thank you so much. Thank you, Nathan, for that opening statement as well. We will now jump into the open discussion section. So I'm gonna pull you out of full screen if that's all right, Nathan. And then we will jump back into the discussion boxes. So thanks so much, folks. Very excited for this. So ladies and gentlemen, this could get pretty wild. I don't know, I mean, who knows? So gentlemen, the floor is all yours. I mean, to quote Luke Skywalker, everything you just said is wrong. Like literally everything. Your entire argument, Nathan, is I don't understand science, basically. Where to start? Not how fluid dynamics work. Can you tell me how fluid dynamics work? I don't think you can. The higher... Wait, wait, wait. Can we go through this point by point, Craig? So you want me to tell you how fluid dynamics work? Your claim is that's not how fluid dynamics work. So can you explain to me exactly how fluid dynamics work and the equations and stuff behind all that? Okay, I'm here to give you evidence that the earth is not a rotating ball. I'm not here to break down equations and show you how it all works. You can do that in your... Well, you didn't give any evidence. Fair time, Craig. So your question was fluid dynamics. Now if the earth rotated, there would be what's called a Coriolis effect. We do not observe... Okay, what is the Coriolis effect? Please tell me what the Coriolis effect is, because I don't think you know. Well, I appreciate you asking nicely. I will gladly tell you what the Coriolis effect is. Coriolis effect states, and please don't interrupt me, Craig, because I want to keep track. I've done these debates... I mean, if you're wrong, I will say you're wrong and correct you. I just asked you not to interrupt me, so I'm going to go ahead and make a note here. Craig, I'm just... Oh, you're making a note. Lovely. I'm doing it. I'm going to keep track of all the interruptions. Cool. Cool story, bro. Get on with it. You just interrupted me again. Yeah, cool story, bro. Get on with it. Next to the interruption there. So I'm trying to help you, Craig, and I'm trying to teach you that... Cool story, bro. Get on with it. He then is SpongeBob Imagination... Cool story, bro. Get on with it. So I'm going to take my science hammer, Craig, and I'm going to feed science into SpongeBob fairy-tale globe imagination land. I'm going to get on with it. All right. So if the Earth rotated, it would rotate under Hell's Hot Air Balloons. That's not what the Coriolis force is. Walls that you throw in the air. Okay, I need to educate you on what the Coriolis force is, obviously, because you've no idea. The Coriolis force is not the Earth rotating under things. No one ever said it was. You are simply wrong with that assumption. The Coriolis force is about the law of conservation of momentum. And that is to do with the angular velocity of the Earth at certain latitudes. Now, if you're at the equator, the angular velocity is approximately 1,000 miles an hour. And if you were to go north, you would go into an area of lower angular velocity, meaning that you would maintain your angular momentum and drift ahead of the rotation. That is nothing to do with the Earth spinning underneath you. That is not what the Coriolis force is. Okay, but you're alleging that the Earth rotates 1,040 miles an hour. No, no, no, no. The Earth doesn't rotate 1,040 miles an hour. That is an angular velocity. The Earth rotates about 15 degrees per hour. Okay. You don't rotate in miles per hour. But if it's 24,901 miles around it, makes one rotation a day, then that would necessitate it's moving approximately 1,039 miles an hour. The angular velocity is 1,000 odd miles an hour, not the rotation. The rotation is 15 degrees per hour. Did you... And they are not the same thing. Did you understand that, right? The velocity is 1,039 miles per hour, Craig. As I have stated many times, the rotation is not 1,030 miles an hour. The angular velocity is 1,030 miles an hour at the equator. Excellent. They are different things. You said that nobody said Earth rotated under things. Now, are you familiar with who Neil deGrasse Tyson is, Craig? Yes, but I'm not talking about Neil deGrasse Tyson. I know, I am. I'm talking about the actual description of... Well, no, let's get back to what the Coriolis force is. I don't care what Neil deGrasse Tyson is there. I'm just saying that nobody says Earth rotates under things. Now, not only do they teach kids in school that there is a Coriolis effect and that Earth rotates under things, but if you check Neil deGrasse... No, I went to school. You didn't. That's not what the Coriolis force is. We're going to go with third and... Nathan, let me tell this... One second. Let's just let Nathan finish this point and then we'll come right back. Please, I'm going to count the interruptions, James. But let's not have the strawmans about Neil deGrasse Tyson, Nathan, because I'm not Neil deGrasse Tyson, and I am actually telling you what the Coriolis force is. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a science communicator who says things in a layman's way for people to understand. The Coriolis force, and you need to listen here because this is important, the Coriolis force is not the Earth rotating underneath something. It is the conservation of momentum when moving from one area of angular velocity to another. Okay? Stop saying stupid things. Okay, Craig. So Neil deGrasse Tyson said that Earth rotated under a field goal. So when Craig fight the flat Earth... Cool story, bro. ...in SpongeBob imagination fairy tale science, I've got to beat him with... Oh, story, bro. ...the science into the head. Please stop interrupting me. I'm going to go with four interruptions. So, Coriolis... I'm surprised you would count that height. So you... I can't believe that you would ask me to tell you, to give you evidence for flat Earth. I'm telling you... No, no, no. You haven't given evidence for flat Earth. You've given your misunderstanding of what the Coriolis force is. Craig, you... I am educating you on what the Coriolis force is. The Coriolis force is not the Earth rotating underneath something. The Coriolis force is the conservation of angular momentum. So you will agree that Earth doesn't rotate under things? Well, Earth rotates. The Coriolis force is not the Earth rotating underneath things. Does the Earth rotate underneath things? The Earth rotates, but that is not what the Coriolis force is, Nathan. Craig, can you... Does the Earth... Does the Earth rotate in reference to the cosmic microwave background radiation? Yes, it does. But the Coriolis force, which is what we are talking about, is not the Earth rotating underneath things. Okay? So, you will agree, the Earth does not rotate under hot air balloons, airplanes, balls... Absolutely. Insects. Excellent. Excellent. So, now we're going to go from... There is a Coriolis force, guys, and I want to point this out, and please, Craig, don't interrupt me, because I'm keeping track here at four interruptions. Yeah, lovely. Nathan, you don't ever shut up, okay? If you get something wrong, I'm going to tell you. Oh, you're going to interrupt me? No, I'm going to tell you when you're wrong, because this isn't a debate. This is me teaching a moron basic physics. Well, that's an insult. So, let's... All right. Nathan, the evidence that you were going to bring up, go ahead, Nathan, we'll give you a shot, and then we'll come back to you, fight the flutter. Yeah, of course, what I was going to say is because Craig believes in SpongeBob, fairy tale imagination, land science... Cool story, bro. Another interruption, I'm going to go with six interruptions, because I'm keeping track. Oh, wow, he didn't even have to take off his socks. So, Craig, if you could just let me finish, and then I'll let you speak. Yeah, if you could get on with the point, that would be great, but you walked inherently. Okay, so because Craig believes in fairy tale imagination SpongeBob science, he'll say things like the Coriolis effect, but then he will also say things like the atmosphere moves with the earth, and the earth doesn't rotate under things. Now, I already went over how if the atmosphere moves with the earth, it would have to increase in velocity. Not only that, but we have jet streams moving 200 and 300 miles an hour east. Sometimes they're moving 200, 300 miles an hour west, which means it would be outpacing the speed of the earth with this increase in velocity that we don't experience. So, Craig will admit that earth does not rotate under things. I'll agree, Craig. I appreciate the concession. It looks like we're getting some science into SpongeBob. Okay, right. Are you ready to actually learn something now? Because again, everything you just said was wrong. The atmosphere, planes, insects, they will use the atmosphere to fly. And the Coriolis force is not the earth rotating underneath things. And that is not me saying the earth does not rotate, but that is just not what the Coriolis force is. The jet streams and other weather patterns also rotate with the earth. You can have a weather pattern where wind will be blowing north, south, east, west, but that entire weather pattern is also rotating with the earth. You are correct in the assumption that the higher you go in the atmosphere, the angular velocity of that particular part of the atmosphere would be going faster. That's not an issue. But the atmosphere is so minutely off the surface of the earth that that difference in velocity is barely noticeable. But that's not, it's all moving as one cohesive unit because of billions of years of rotation and friction of 15 degrees per hour. It's the simple, it's all about conservation of momentum and the sum of the forces that are there. You not understanding things is not evidence for the flat earth. None of what you have said so far is evidence for the flat earth. It's just you not understanding what the Coriolis force is. So to clarify, the Coriolis force is not the earth rotating underneath things. The Coriolis force is to do with the conservation of momentum when moving from one area of angular velocity to another. This will, if you are on the equator going north, cause you to drift ahead of the rotation because you've maintained the greater angular velocity. However, all the atmosphere is rotating with the earth and that's nothing to do with the Coriolis force. The Coriolis force, however, can help in the formation of hurricanes and things like that and also explains why the hurricanes get ripped apart if they cross the equator. Poor thing. Oh, that was great. Craig conceded that the earth does not rotate under objects. I conceded nothing. Confession. So how about the atmosphere needing a container, Craig? Could you demonstrate? Yeah, it has a container. Could you, it has a container. So you're a dome earth or now? No, it has a container. It's called energy. So there is a gravitational acceleration downwards. This is undisputable. And that gravitational acceleration downwards requires energy to escape. That energy that it requires to escape the atmosphere, the gravitational acceleration is the barrier that is there. I can demonstrate to you right now a video of a gas pressure sitting right next to a vacuum with no physical barrier between them. I know you've seen it before but do you want to see it again? Could you please for your audience because I want this to be very clear because, and please don't interrupt me, Craig. You ask me if I want to see it. I'm going to explain. Yes, I do want to see it. Because Craig leaves in SpongeBob fairy tale imagination land. Cool, cool, cool, cool. I'm in the middle of talking, Craig. I'm going to... Yeah, you're banging SpongeBob with a hammer. That's, I'm just going to ignore you when you do that. One, two, three, four, five, six. Can you count this high, guys? Seven interruptions. I wonder if I get to 11. He has to take off his socks and shoes. Seven. So I know you want me to take my clothes off, Craig, but I won't be doing that on air for James. Oh, you do it, Plenty, all the time anyway. I never really got to do it for anybody. So it's all good. So can I speak now, Craig, uninterrupted? I mean, as long as you don't walk along for too long. Yeah, sure. How long are you going to give me, Craig? Well, just carry on. If you get something wrong, I'll let you know. No, no, no, no, no. I want to know how long you're going to give me without interrupting me for the eighth time. It's maths, you wouldn't get it. I'm sorry? It's maths, you wouldn't get it. I'm obviously counting and keeping track. So I can count. I mean, I'm surprised you must have a chart or something with you. That's another insult. We're going to go with number four insults. Excellent, Craig. I really appreciate it. No worries, Nathan. This is all that we're talking about. Hey, you lost all the semblance of any kind of respect being given to you when you decided to harass school children. Now we're going to go with another can't stay on topic. We're going to go with another insult. It has nothing to do with me. No, no, you're talking about why I'm acting like this. Cool. Now you were saying about the fact that you need a physical container to keep a gas pressure. You were saying, carry on? Yes, of course. So it's the second law of thermodynamics. What does the second law of thermodynamics say? That's another interruption. We're going to go with eight on the board. Thank you very much, Craig. I know it's very tough to listen to me beat science into your talk. You just said it's the second law of thermodynamics. Can you please describe the second law of thermodynamics? It's the ninth interruption, very, very excellent. Can you? Yes, I can. Can I be uninterrupted? Go on then. I'll give you a couple of minutes to be wrong, and then I'll correct you. Carry on. I don't need a couple of minutes to explain the second law of thermodynamics. I appreciate you giving me two or three minutes. I'm going to run with it. So because Craig believes in SpongeBob fairy tale imagination science, I've got to beat him over the head with the science hammer for about four or five minutes now, telling him that high pressure systems move towards low pressure systems. So if you have your hand and you put it on a hot stove, you will get burned. If you have a pressurized atmosphere and you put it in a vacuum, it will disperse rapidly. So now Craig likes to talk about gravitational accelerations downward and everything. But if you put gas into a vacuum, it disperses in all directions, not down. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the second law of thermodynamics is. I thought you were going to do that. That's the 10th interruption. I explained very thoroughly the second law of thermodynamics is how high pressure systems move towards low pressure systems, Craig. And then I gave evidence of that. That's not the second law of thermodynamics, Nathan. I'll go with a new interruption there, because I'm still talking. But you said the second law of thermodynamics. But then what you said wasn't the second law of thermodynamics. This is why I stopped talking to Craig a very long time ago and is a favor. So do you know what the second law of thermodynamics is? So I'm going to have to ask you to step in. If you ask me for a favor, if I'm on your channel, I've counted 10 interruptions already, and I won't do another 10. I'll leave. What we'll do is let's switch into maybe a few minutes. I think this is what we did with Sargon and Vosh, where we will give maybe a few minutes on each side and just flip back and forth. So Nathan, if you do want to go fight the flat Earth, if you can do us a favor, we'll let Nathan go for a few minutes, and I promise we'll come right back to you in the same thing where Nathan won't be able to interrupt you. All right. Just make sure he sticks to the second law of thermodynamics for now so we can discuss that one point. Excellent. So thank you so much, James, for moderating that. So the second law of thermodynamics is entropy, ladies and gentlemen. High pressure systems move towards low. So if you have an above a hot stove and you touch the hot stove, the heat will transfer from the hot stove into your, rapidly. It's high pressure moving towards low pressure. When your house is heated and you open the door to your house, you're not letting hold in. You're letting the heat out. The high pressure system, the heat from your house is going out, and that's being replaced by a lack of a high pressure system, a lack of heat, so you experience cold. And now you can't have atmosphere around the Earth without a container. My example of this was a tire. You could not have pressure around a tire rim without a tire. Now I'll just ask Craig one simple question and end on this. Craig, do you think you could have gas pressure around a tire rim without a tire? Are you asking me specifically if you can have gas pressure next to a low pressure system with no barrier? Could a tire rim, and I'll try and be very clear and concise for you, Craig, have gas pressure without a tire in a vacuum? Depends on the setup, actually, because on my screen right now, I am showing you gas pressure that is a rim of a tire that is next to a vacuum with no barrier. So why is that gas pressure there not immediately dispersing into that vacuum, Nathan? Do you want to go ahead and elaborate for the audience on what this little halo light is and why you think this container proves you can have gas pressure without a container? Is there any container around the gas pressure? That looks like a container to me, Craig. Is that thing not? No, there's a vacuum around the gas pressure, not a container. So you're telling me that that vacuum isn't contained by something, Craig? The claim isn't that a vacuum can't be contained. You're moving the goalpost. The flatter of claim, as you quite clearly said, that if you have gas pressure, it will immediately disperse to fill a low pressure system. What I am showing you is that that is not true, because what you said about the second law thermodynamics is wrong. I asked you specifically what the second law thermodynamics is, and you said it's entropy, high pressure moves to low pressure. No, that is incorrect. The second law thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system will increase over time. The earth is not an isolated system. The isolated system is the universe. And you can have areas of entropy actually being reversed that will still increase the total entropy of the entire universe. That is what the second law thermodynamics says. What you are seeing here is a vacuum of 10 to the negative 11 tor. 10 to the negative 11 tor. And inside that vacuum with no barrier between the vacuum and the high gas pressure system is a gas pressure of a nitrogen impurity and so that you can actually see it. And that is created by electromagnetic forces that are running through the atoms, squeezing it together, creating the parent force that is giving you a barrier of energy. So you absolutely can have gas pressure next to a low pressure system with no physical barrier. That is evidence there. Craig, that is a container. Also plasma is not gassed because- It's ionized gassed. That was another interruption. Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. You said something wrong. Craig, I'm in the middle of speaking. So if you can't control your impulses and wait until I'm done, just go on mute. Just stop saying the wrong things then. Okay, well- We thought I was wrong at the beginning of the debate. James, is he gonna, he thinks I'm wrong. I get it. He's heard this spinning globe. I have to beat science with a hammer into his punch box, imagine anything. In order for me to step in and remind about the time sections, Nathan, you have to let me talk. So what we'll do is fight the flat earth if you want to let Nathan speak. Even if he says something wrong, we promise we'll give you a few minutes to rebut it. No, I seems. Yes. Thank you so much. So, as I was saying, plasma is not a gas. And I want to thank Sleeping Warrior for sending me this message. Shout out Sleeping Warrior because he knew that Craig was gonna bring this up. I also knew that Craig was gonna bring this up. But he said plasma is not gas because it's electrons react to magnetism. We don't breathe plasma. We breathe gas, Craig. Gotcha. I think that's a... Okay, cool story, bro. But the claim is not just about gas. The claim, as stated many times by Sleeping Warrior, big shout out to Sleeping Warrior, is that a high pressure system cannot exist next to a low pressure system without a physical container or barrier between them. That is false. The universe is the container of the vacuum of space. And in this case, the vacuum of space is being represented by the vacuum inside that nuclear reactor. So you absolutely can have gas pressure next to a low pressure system without a physical container. And plasma is ionized gas. It's gas that's had the electrons stripped off. It is still gas, but the second law of thermodynamics does not refer specifically to gas. It is about the increase in entropy of an isolated system. So everything that you just said was wrong. Is it my turn to talk now, Craig? Yes. So I just, you know, this is my second point. We already talked about non-moving Earth and how Earth does not rotate under things. And Craig admitted that Earth doesn't rotate under things. Thank you very much, Craig. So now we're on to the container. You're saying the universe is the container. So I got a concession from Craig that we have a container. I'd love to see where the edge of that container is. I'm asserting that it's the sky. The sky is a map and a clock. That's why we've been using it to celestial navigate for thousands of years. Craig said in his opening that sailors have navigated for centuries with a sextant. Now I find that rather interesting because they didn't figure out about special relativity or gravity or any of this until Einstein rolled around and Bendy's space time and they still don't have a three-body equation for gravity. It's simply M1 plus M2 divided by distance squared. So this fairy tale idea, SpongeBob imagination science that the globe makes predictions on a spinning ball in space with everything pulling towards everything else is not real, it's fake. Okay. So Craig, I just wanna ask you can you have gas pressure around a tire rim in a vacuum without a tire? Yes or no? Yes, I'm demonstrating it now. Let me put it back up. So can you demonstrate a tire rim, Craig? I'm sorry, but that's not a tire rim and that's not gas pressure. It kind of looks like a tire rim. And you're introducing- If you put a tire rim in there, that would work. Does a tire rim have plasma, Craig? Plasma is ionized gas. We're talking about pressure. The second north thermodynamics is not about gas. Notice how you deflected. Everyone, I want you to notice how Craig deflected. Yeah, cool. Well, you're not addressing any of my points, Nathan. Let's hold on, Nathan. I'm gonna go ahead and jot down for Craig. Actually, you interrupted me there because it was my turn to speak, dumbass. We'll let- We'll let- And another insult. Are we gonna moderate the insults, James? Are we just gonna let the clock- I mean, that's me being nice. You are, dumbass. I'm mealy before. So we're going to let T or a fight have his statement right now. Okay? Plasma is ionized gas. And again, the second law of thermodynamics, which was your claim, that was your point that you brought up. The second law of thermodynamics is not about gas. The second law of thermodynamics is technically about the flow of information in the universe. It's about the total entropy of the entire universe increasing over time. Inside your fridge is an isolated, not an isolated system, sorry, it's a micro system, right? That technically inside your fridge, the entropy is being reversed. But the total entropy of the system of your kitchen is still increasing because of the heat energy required to do that. So the second law of thermodynamics is not about gas pressure, the way that you guys talk about. The second law of thermodynamics is simply about an increase in the entropy of an isolated system. The earth isn't an isolated system. So you guys misapplying the second law of thermodynamics is not evidence for the flat earth. Now, Nathan, before I pass over to you, do you think you could address one of the 10 points that I brought up instead of addressing your misunderstanding of science? Yeah, of course, I'll go over all 10 of them with you. But I do have one more point that fluid statics, large bodies of water at rest, do not curb. So I have 10 and I just have three and there's just one left. Do you think we can do my one real quick? And then we'll cut your 10, excellent. So large bodies of water do not curb. Fluid statics prove this. You look at specular reflections. They are perfect mirrors of objects in the distance and we see too far. How comfortable are you with Earth's radius being 24,901 miles around, Craig? That's not Earth's radius. Earth's circumference? That, well, it's been measured, so I'm pretty confident with it. Someone has measured the circumference of the earth. That's a really long measuring tape, Craig. It's been done many times, actually. The radius of Earth has been measured many, many times. I had the only one who pointed out the interruptions, the moderator, not helping me. You asked me a question. What's going on there? So, like Nathan, if there is a question asked, that's where I was like, he'll probably, like that's one where I'll let him, but otherwise we'll go over those timed sections of like three to four minutes. Unless it's... I'm usually pretty clear when I ask Craig a question because I... You literally asked me a question. I already know about you believe, Craig. It's spun, Bob, very... I don't have beliefs, Nathan. Transformation land. I used to be a globe Earth. You keep putting words in my mouth, Nathan. I have to interrupt you here because you keep putting words in my mouth. I don't have beliefs. Beliefs aren't important to me. I have... Those three to four minutes. All right, so all I want to know is why large bodies of water do not curve in your surface is mostly water, Craig. Go ahead. Do you have any measurements of the flatness of water? That's a claim you just made. Okay, the flatness is not a claim. It's observable. We observe a flat Earth. Did you have some type of downward curvature proof or convexity of large bodies of water? We could look at... No, but you made the claim there that the surface of water is always flat. So I'd just like you to back up that claim. Yeah. Do you have any measurements of it? Can you share my screen? Yeah. Ready? Excellent. So this is real cool because it actually gave us a curved surface. Now, if Earth had a curved surface, you would not get a speck. I can't see your screen yet, Nathan. Okay, got you. Hold on, maybe I gotta hit this button right here and go just desktop. That should share my entire desktop. Gotcha. Excellent. So now if you have a flat surface, you will get a specular reflection. If you have a curve or a regular surface, light will diffuse. You'll get a diffuse reflection. Now large bodies of water are perfect mirrors. Do I need to pull up some pictures of perfect mirrors, Craig? Can I address the point? Okay, go ahead. Large bodies of water don't curve. I'd love to see your evidence that they do. Now that I have presented evidence. No, I asked for a measurement. None of that is a measurement. And Nathan, Earth real big, reflection's real small. I mean, there's nothing more to say than that. Earth's really fucking big. So of course you're not gonna see a curve in the reflection because the Earth's too big to see it when from the perspective that you are at. It's simple. I asked you for a measurement of flatness. Showing a specular reflection, misunderstanding is not a measurement of flatness. I've got actual measurements of the radius of the Earth that I can present. Do you have any actual measurements of the Earth's flatness? Yes, of course. Like any surveying done or anything? I'm very glad you asked. Okay, so can I speak now uninterrupted, Craig? Go ahead. Excellent. So there's lots of evidence of Earth's flatness that can be measured. If you take a look at Mount San Jacinto, which I covered in my opening arguments, it's 123 miles away. And when you pull up the infrared, almost the entire thing is there. Now I know Craig has a problem with things we can see. So let's just move to World Record Linesight microwave length. This was over about, well, this was about 150 miles over the Mediterranean. And according to Craig's Spongebob fairy tale imagination science that he believes in, I've got to be in reality with the hammer. So there would be 2.6 miles of Earth curve. And Craig would just assert that the World Record microwave link distance is bending around 2.6 miles of vertical drop to reach a line of sight microwave repeater. Now I think that's funny. And I'd like to hear Craig's explanation for that. Right. I'll go one point at a time. So the Mount San Jacinto photo, his observation location is 34.032204 by negative 118.702984. And his altitude is 150 feet. So the curve count, they predicts a hidden amount for those figures of 6,158 feet. San Jacinto peak is 10,834 feet above sea level. This leaves a predicted visible amount of 4,676 feet. Seeing that from that distance is absolutely no problem. You can even go and do it on peakfinder.com. So let's move on to the next one. The Accel World Record distance microwave. So there is no actual evidence of the height that the emitters were above sea level. So the, and if you carry on reading the article of the page that you quoted there, they actually talk about the curvature of the earth and stuff in the same page that you were just on. So, and again, and also we could talk about microwave transmission testing when FECOR did it and they couldn't get a signal on either of their tests. So cool. Yeah, everything you just said was wrong. Again, you're good at this. Keep it up. Excellent. So your explanation for the reason why large bodies of water don't appear to curve is because earth's real big growth. Yeah. Yeah. I said it nice and slow so you could understand. All right. Cool story, guys. So Craig is just telling you all that the earth is flat and you can't see curvature because it's a really big fall. Cool story, Craig. I showed you curvature in my evidence, so. Well, now that I've got a concession on two out of my three ones. You haven't had any concessions. Let's do the three minutes. The universe is a container. You also said that earth... That's not a concession. You never asked if the universe was a container. You also said that the earth doesn't rotate under things. That doesn't mean the earth doesn't rotate. It's just what I said is the Coriolis force is not earth rotating underneath things. You can't put things in my mouth. Oh, and you also said nobody says that but the most famous scientist in the world, Neil deGrasse Tyson has been on record saying that the earth rotated under a field goal. I'm not Neil deGrasse Tyson. I know, but you were, Craig, fight the flat earth, and you said nobody said earth rotates under things. The way he explained it was for a layman. Another interruption. And I am Nathan Thompson, and I pointed out that you, Craig, who believes in SpongeBob, fairy tale, imaginary land science, has to get science beaten to his head with the science hammer. Cool story, bro. Yeah. You want to carry on now? So I've debunked all your points. I just want to move real quickly through your 10 points, Craig, that you have. We're doing one by one. I debunked all yours so we can move on to mine. Excellent. So I'd like to be able to speak uninterrupted while I cover your 10th point, which can you do it one at a time, though? Is that right? Of course. I'm going to go over your 10th point, which was Polaris. And then, James, I think Craig can rebut to what I say because these were his agreements in the beginning, and then we can just move on. Got you. If that works, you guys, works for me. Excellent. So Polaris means pole star. They have been celestial navigating with it for a very long time. They've also been doing astroarchaeology, which is lining up megalithic structures to the sky. Look up Orion's belt, matches up to pyramids. It's also where we get the swastika from. These constellations in the sky have not changed. For centuries, ask your grandma about the Big Dipper. It's always been the Big Dipper, not Orion's belt. It's always been Orion's belt. And the North Star has always been the North Star. Now, all stars circle Polaris and move east to west. The sky is a map and a clock on a fairy tale cartoon SpongeBob Globe that would not work because we're allegedly lasting 500,000 miles an hour through space as we chase the sun in orbit 66,600,666. Pay attention, miles per hour around the sun because we're 93 million miles away from the sun and we make an orbit allegedly once every year. There is no proof of gravitational orbits. I've asked NASA employees and they asked me if I believe in stuff. Science is not a belief. We don't need to talk about the B word. So I hope that's a clear and concise explanation of why Polaris does not prove we are on a SpongeBob cartoon spinning Globe, Craig. Can we go on to your point number nine or do you... No, I'm gonna rebut that first. Next, go ahead. Actually, you didn't even address my point, which was that you cannot see Polaris when you get below the equator. And that it actually aligns with a sextant that can only work on a globe based on the angle decreasing as you go away from the equator, away from the North Pole towards the equator. So why when you cross the equator can you not see Polaris anymore? That was my point. But to quickly rebut what you said, constellations have changed. I am showing you a chart of star positions changing over time, which was made by sailors so that they could actually keep up with celestial navigation because the stars did change over time. About 3,000 years ago, the North Star was a different star, Thuribund. And then about 13,000 years time based on the procession, it's going to be Vega, a very bright star. So star positions do change and the constellations don't even match up with their appearance anymore. So can you actually address my point before you move on of not seeing Polaris below the equator? Of course, Craig. I'm happy to address your point. It's called perspective. Everything above your head, as it moves away from you, will move towards the apparent horizon, not real, not actual apparent, changing day to day based on conditions, atmospheric conditions, because we live in a closed dynamic system, the air is not homogenous in, which means, well, homogenous in isotropic, it's not the same and it's different in all directions, guys. It's inhomogenous and anisotropic. So we don't have a tire rim with tire around it for an atmosphere. It's constantly moving around. That changes day to day. That's why we have a horizon. Craig, this is a chart from the 1800s. You haven't verified any of that. So to quote you, cool story, bro. Yeah, it's all verified by other documents that were the same thing. My evidence is actual documents. My evidence. Sorry. What you just said about perspective doesn't make sense because the observers at either side of Magic Pancake World can both see the same stars. And it's the same stars they see. Yet they're not in different positions because that wouldn't explain how they can see the same stars but can't see the star there. Perspective doesn't answer this. It does not make sense. It is impossible on a flat stationery earth. So your answer is basically, I don't understand perspective, cool. Craig, how are two people on the opposite sides of the earth both looking at stars? Wouldn't it be daylight on the other side of the earth? Yeah, but they, well, not necessarily because the terminator line, listen, let me answer the question, warm boy. All right, the terminator line goes along the middle, right? So there is going to be two points that either side of the disk where they are both in darkness, yet they see the same stars. So the terminator line answers your dumbass question. Hey, guys, I just want to say, Nathan, are you listening? Nathan, I, no, wait, wait, Nathan, are you listening? Nathan, are you listening? Nathan, are you listening? How does the terminator line appear on the flat earth? Let me get up there. No, we haven't finished on this. We haven't finished on this. Hold on. We haven't finished on this. We haven't finished on this. We're going to go and we're going to move on. We haven't finished on this. It is finished. I think it's fine to give, I do want to be sure that fight gets a chance to respond to anything that he hasn't gotten to yet. At least briefly, right? So have you responded, Craig, you're good? Yeah, no, you can shut up and listen. That black line represents the terminator line. You see it? Yeah. Yeah, so there's going to be a point either side of the disk where it is night. They will both be at night either side of the disk, then they move the other side of the terminator line and they will be dead. So they will both be seeing the same stars, yet they can't see Polaris. It doesn't make sense. Wouldn't that be dusk and dawn? Not necessarily. The line is very big compared to the size of the earth. You can still see stars when it's nearly daytime. So on the line where day is transitioning into night, Craig, and then we'll move on, you're saying that it's not dusk and dawn? No, I'm saying they can see the same stars. Don't put words in my mouth. Oh, okay. Can you see stars at dusk and dawn? Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Right on. I can see some stars in the day in Scotland. I can see some stars in the day. Excellent, Craig. Right on. Well, number nine, motion of the stars, is that where we're going to go? So I've debunked you on that one. No, not at all, Craig. We're moving on. No, you didn't answer the question. How do the people either side of the disk see the same stars, yet they can't see the stars above the middle? On one side of the earth, it would be night and you have no observations to show me. You literally pulled up a cartoon flat earth and drew lines to fake stars. You drew in the stars. So are you denying that people on your side of that disk would see the same stars? Nathan, this happens, explain it. And I say- Are you denying that people would see the same stars on those positions? Yes or no? Yes, I am, because on the other side- Right, cool, cool. There are more on. We can move on. It could be daytime, not night, Craig. Except it would be nighttime either side of that side of the terminator line, and then it would be day side. It literally says, on this thing, night and day. Night and day, night and day. Let's take maybe just a few minutes. We'll give each of you a chance to respond in your own few minute section. So I think that- Cool, yeah, no, Nathan's lost this bit, so we can move on to the next one. So he can't explain why they see the same stars. Cool. The motion of the stars, Craig, did you just want to elaborate on that or should I get right into my response? Well, yeah, when you're looking north, you see stars rotate counterclockwise. When you're looking south, you see stars rotate clockwise. And if you are at the poles either side, you will see them literally rotating around a different star in opposite directions. This happens because you are on a ball looking north or south. Gotcha. Unless we can give you a couple of minutes if you want to respond. Nathan, otherwise we can go to the next part. You know, I just need to ask Craig one question. I think we can move on. Craig, will you agree that all stars move east to west? Yes. All right, so then they move the same direction. Excellent, let's move on to number eight. No. If you are looking north, they would appear to rotate counterclockwise. If you are looking south, they would appear to rotate clockwise. You said appear. Yes, because that's the way that you look based on the way that you're looking. Appearances are not reality. You'll admit- Which way are you gonna be looking in the southern hemisphere looking up at the sky, say from the south pole? Craig, I'm gonna talk- The fact- I'm gonna start talking, Craig, and you're not allowed to talk when I start talking. That's called- Well, let me get my actual response out before you get triggered and try to say what you're gonna need again, okay? Craig, you just asked me- An observer directly at the north pole will look up and see the stars rotate counterclockwise. An observer directly at the south pole will look up and see the stars rotate clockwise. This is because you were looking north or south from those positions. Okay, we'll give you a few minutes, Nathan. Yeah, because Craig believes in SpongeBob fairy tale science that is- Sorry, bro. He will make claims, like when you look at the stars from the south pole, Craig, have you looked at stars from the south pole? I've been very, very, very, very far south. Oh, but not the south pole. You've never observed stars from the south pole, right? I've been pretty close to the magnetic south pole. Excellent, so you don't have any observations from the south pole, do you? I mean, everyone that lives in the southern hemisphere would agree with me. In fact, I could give my friend in Australia a call right now and ask them where Polaris is. They wouldn't be able to see it. Oh, okay. Well, we moved on from that. I know you want to go back in time to when people- Yeah, I was just pointing out that you've lost them. But it's 2020. People are letting go of that whole time. So can I just clarify? You don't have an answer as to why you see stars rotate in opposite directions. Your answer is, I don't believe that they do. You know this one as well, then. No, Craig. No, no, you don't believe that they do. That's cool. We can move on. No, no, no, I'm going to respond because it's not that I don't believe that they do. You admitted, Craig, that all stars move east to west, right? I even said that in my video. Excellent. So yeah, I didn't say I don't believe that happens. We are on the same page. Oh, I'm not on the same page as someone who harasses children. Hold on one second. I do want to let Nathan finish. Move one direction, Craig, east to west on both models. Now, number eight was the- Yeah, well, no, before you move on, I'm going to respond once again because you are again wrong. As I said in my video, for all observers, objects in the sky appear to move east to west. So more accurately put, looking north, the stars will appear to rotate counterclockwise. Looking south, they will appear to rotate clockwise. There is no explanation for this on a flat earth. Once again, you didn't give an answer as to why it happens. You simply went, I don't believe that it does. It all moves east to west without understanding about the position that you would be on the globe. So now we can move on. What was number eight? The sun stays the same size? Yeah. Great, excellent. Just go follow Chris Van Matre. He's a geodetic land surveyor and a pilot and he has the solar technology that Craig's talking about. And he did measure a change in the size. Not only that, but I've recorded the sun and the moon shrinking to small dots above the horizon. They didn't even intersect the horizon because I was in Colorado, 10,000 feet above sea level. So that's pretty much my response to that, Craig. Anything to say or can we move to number seven? Shadow. All observations with solar filters show the sun not changing in angular size. The one you're talking about used an NGT filter, not a solar filter. I've seen that. So he didn't use a solar filter. Solar filter can be gotten for a tenor or famines and although they're probably not delivering right now. But when you actually use a solar filter, as the video playing right now shows, the angular size of the sun does not change at all. It simply doesn't. It stays exactly the same. And the video that you are talking about where you observed the sun shrink to pretty much nothing didn't have a solar filter. So of course it fucking did. So you will agree that the sun and moon shrink into little dots above the horizon. If you don't, you use a solar filter. Excellent. So you heard it here, guys. The sun and moon shrink into little dots above the horizon. If you don't use a solar filter and a solar filter allows you to see what is actually there. Cool. You are losing, Nathan. Please understand. Yeah. Clouds, number seven. Shadows on the clouds. I want to address this point for you. Yeah, let me get that nice picture up. Excellent. Is the sun below the mountain? Okay, it's not actually below but because of perspective, Craig, as the sun moves away from you, it approaches the apparent, not actual apparent horizon. So what you get is a shadow being cast on the clouds because the sun is approaching the horizon and eventually it will disappear behind the not actual but apparent horizon. We call that a sunset, Craig. So are you saying that perspective changes the angle of light? Because that's not how it works, Nathan. Well, the only way that that could actually happen is if the sun was physically below the altitude of the mountain because light travels in straight lines, that it simply perspective does not explain why it could cast an upward shadow because you will even say on the flatter of model the sun doesn't actually go behind the horizon. It just gets too far away to see. That will not change the angle that light is coming up. This observation is impossible and is not explained by the law of perspective, which is alpha equals two times the arc tan of G over two r. So you are wrong again. Cool story. So eclipses, shadows are black, not glowing red and also lunar eclipses can be observed during the daytime. It's called a selenelion eclipse and the shadow of a solar eclipse. The last one was 70 miles wide. Not my point. I'm still talking, Craig. Yeah, but you're not addressing my point, Nathan. I'm actually addressing my point. Let's just let him finish the point and then I promise, Craig, if you want a point open and wasted a few minutes, you can. His point was that the shadow on a flat earth would be a turtle, okay? Craig, you don't have to make a joke. Flat earth is the joke. I'm gonna go for points one by one for you. You've got them all wrong so far. How the eclipses go on a low level. One sec, let's go for a few minutes. Go ahead, Nathan. Yes, so my two points of shadows are black, not glowing red and you can observe a lunar eclipse in the daytime. It's called a selenelion eclipse. They've been tracking things for hundreds of years. So that's all I have to say about that, Craig. Again, you didn't address my point, which is how is a lunar eclipse possible on the flat earth? It is something that is impossible on the flat earth. The physics of the color are perfectly explained by light being refracted in certain ways. There is no issue there. There's also no issue of seeing it during the day. My point was there is no explanation on a flat earth for a lunar eclipse. Do you have an explanation as to what the lunar eclipse is? Because the heliocentric model does. The heliocentric model states that the lunar eclipse is a shadow. Shadows are black, not glowing red. No, not what I asked. I asked, is there an explanation for the lunar eclipse on a flat earth? Actually, I'm addressing what you said. No, no, no, my question, Nathan. Why is there a lunar eclipse on a flat earth? That is my question. I'm gonna get to that. So if you look up ancient civilizations like the Mayans and the Egyptians and also lots of ancient astronomers, they were all making star maps and could predict free eclipses long before anyone believed in gravity and SpongeBob fairy tale imagination. And to the point. Another interruption, Craig, because Craig just can't listen. I asked you a specific question. Can you just answer it? He's allergic to the truth. So, and he avoids real science like the plant. I'm going to answer my question, Nathan. If not, you can concede another point. With a hammer, it's insane, okay? Nathan, I think I need to ask the question once more because you just keep avoiding it, all right? Try and focus. I know it's hard, but just try and focus. On a flat earth, why is there a lunar eclipse? Of course, let me explain, Craig, really, really clearly and succinctly. Ready? I'm waiting. So the earth is flat and lights in the sky change color sometimes. Moving on, number five was- No, okay. No, we're not done. We are not done. That is a bullshit answer. Do you have something to say? That is a bullshit answer with no actual explanation. There is a perfect explanation for it on the Helios-centric model. There is no issues with it on the Helios-centric model at all, okay? None at all. No, there's other reasons there. Actually look into it. Okay, there is no problem with the way lunar eclipses work on the Helios-centric model. Just going lights in the sky change color because it's dumb as fuck. Well, just absolutely- Is there an explanation for why the moon gets darker on a flat earth other than just because? Because that's dumb as fuck. Just so you know, lights in the sky changing color don't prove earth curvature. So when you ask- Not my question. How does this work on a flat earth? Not my question. Craig, that's like saying, why do I put milk in my cereal on a flat earth? It has nothing to do with the shape of the earth, Craig. So you don't have an explanation? Cool, cool. That's another thing that you can't explain on a flat earth. Awesome. Moving on to number five. Number five. So we fight for five now? You've got one, that's awesome. This was you claiming that distant objects appeared lower than objects in the foreground, correct, Craig? Yeah, let me get the observation up so I can explain it to you. I don't need you to explain it to me, Craig. I'm gonna tell you how it's working. You can respond and then we're gonna move on. You're gonna get it wrong, but you can try. All right, so I'm gonna get it wrong, excellent. So Craig, will you agree that as objects move away from you, they get smaller due to perspective? Absolutely. Excellent, so that's what we're seeing here. You can go ahead and say whatever you want because you believe in fairy tales, globe nonsense, and then we can go over to number four. It does not explain why it would drop below Things getting smaller would make it sink into eye level, not physically fall below it. That is not how perspective works. Perspective literally doesn't explain that. Perspective, again, which is alpha equals two times the arc tan of g over two r, does not explain that observation, Nathan, because what you're actually seeing there is this. Look very closely. That is what you're seeing here. You are seeing the mountain physically below the tangent of your eye line. That is impossible and not explained by perspective in any way, shape, or form, okay? So that's another one you've got wrong. So what are we, six for six? Good show. Number four, the ring laser gyroscope. Did I get that? Oh yeah. Well, whichever one it was, Bob used, they both do the same thing. Excellent, so if you change altitude, the rotational speed, what you believe is the rotational speed that is displayed inside of the gyroscope changes by over 1%. No, it doesn't, I know what you're talking about, you're wrong. Did you know that? No, what happens is as the pressure changes on the instrumentation, it will show a slight deviation as the pressure is changing. But if you let the pressure settle, the actual rotational speed is measured exactly the same as 15 degrees per hour. I read the exact paper that you're referring to, and they literally talk about a change in pressure whilst in operation. And the change in pressure will cause a warping of the equipment as the delta pressure is changing, which will once settled, then show a 15 degree drift per hour. But again, you avoided my point, which is why on a flat stationery non-rotating earth, does it measure anything at all? Yeah, Craig, well, I like to talk about the science. That's why I have the science hammer, Craig. That's about all the science you know. About science, it's observation, then hypothesis, then a rigorous experimentation, Craig. That is scientific method. Would you agree that the scientific method is observation, hypothesis, and experimentation, Craig? There's a lot more to the scientific method, and it actually changes depending on the field of science. You wouldn't get it, this science. So the scientific method is evolving? No, it's always been slightly differently applied for different branches of science. It's always been. Again, you are avoiding my question by trying to derail it about what the scientific method is. My question to you, Nathan, is why does every interferometric fiber optic gyroscope on the planet measure a 15 degree rotation in three axes? Not only that, but a one degree a day rotation on a 2D plane, which represents our rotation around the sun. Now, the direct question, why does it pick it up? Don't deflect, just answer the question. Craig, so as I was getting into how science is... Yeah, now just answer the question. I don't care what you think about science. Just answer the question. Hold your feet to the fire, Nathan. Answer the question. Are you there? Are we good? Did we lose James? Still here. You're gonna answer the question? All right, good. I'm glad you're there, James. So I'm keeping track for you on the interruptions. Don't worry. And I got all the insults tallied here, too, just so you know. Cool, do you want to have one, Daz? I knew coming into this, that we'll go ahead and add another one there. You lost all the chance of respect when you harass children, don't act like you did. We want to give Nathan a chance to speak. So go ahead, Nathan, on whatever you were going to say. Yes, of course. So science is observation, then hypothesis, then experiments. But if all you have is we saw a light in a ring laser gyroscope and it did something, you don't have any science. You are scientifically illiterate. Go ahead, Craig, your response, and then we're going to move on. Cool, everything you just said was wrong again. So my observation, I noticed that the earth appears to rotate based on my observation of celestial bodies. My hypothesis, the earth is rotating. My experiment to show that is to test using the known effects of the Sagniac effect. The Sagniac effect is all to do with the speed of light and the fact that the speed of light is constant in a vacuum. Now, using the Sagniac effect, we can actually detect if there is motion based on the closest thing we have to a reference frame, the cosmic microwave background radiation. And in reference to that, the experiment based on my observation and hypothesis shows that we are rotating as expected. So there's all your things answered. But again, you avoided the question, Nathan, and we're not moving on until you answer the question. Why does the gyroscope pick up a 15-degree drift in three axes? We're not moving on until you answer. Oh, we are moving on. No, we're not moving on until you answer. I already went over. No, no, no, no. We're not moving on until you answer one. It's not science. Don't care what you think about science. We're not moving on until you answer the question. So you're just going to interrupt me the entire time. Yeah, unless you answer the question, we're not moving on. Oh, OK. We're sticking with that until you answer the question. I think let's try this. We'll see once, Nathan, if you do your quick normal shtick with SpongeBob, we'll let Nathan do that and then see what comes after. I think he wants to preface each response with that. So let's, Nathan, if you want to, you've got two or so minutes. Yeah, I mean, if you believe and have a good enough imagination, you can think you're SpongeBob and you live in a pineapple under the sea. But that's not science. Science is observation, hypothesis, and experimentation. Now, what you observe in a ring laser gyroscope is light moving. What you observe on a flat Earth when you look up at the sky is also light moving. Now, Craig will assert that the man-made instrument is determining Earth rotation. But there is no observation in nature to conclude the Earth is moving. And then we would test the cause of that effect. He has a man-made gyroscope with light moving inside. And on a flat Earth, we observe lights moving, Craig. Look up or take a time lapse of the stars. All right, I'm done. OK, so now you didn't answer my question. Again, I'm going to ask it. Why does the gyroscope? Again, you didn't answer my question, apart from saying light moves, which is dumb as fuck. So I'll ask it again, and we're not moving on until you answer the question. Why does an interferometric fiber optic gyroscope pick up a 15 degree rotation in three axes? Please explain. We are moving on, Craig. No, I'm not moving on. Excellent. Well, I'll talk about the Coriolis force that was your third point. No, Nathan, answer my question. We're not moving on. OK. No, no, Nathan, why does the gyroscope pick up that drift? Oh, if you throw a ball in the air. Nathan, why does the gyroscope pick up a drift? Drone. Nathan, no, I'm not done. We're not done with that section. We're not moving on. Answer the question. I told you. Answer the question. I am. We don't have to hear your name. Answer the fucking question. We've got the Q&A. Thanks so much, everybody, for your interesting questions. So Nathan lost. We appreciate your being here, folks. It's been a wild one. We are probably not going to get through all the questions, but we'll sure try. We're going to move fast, as fast as we possibly can. So thanks so much. AstronomyLive, who asks? By the way, folks, forgot to mention, if you do have a question, you can throw it into the old live chat. It's going to be tough to get to them, but we'll try. Super Chat pushes your question to the top of the line. We'll get to them. They're all for me anyways, because everyone heard what Craig's believes in the second grade. We're going to jump into it. AstronomyLive, thanks for your Super Chat. They said, you claimed my Falcon Heavy demo flight video was 20 seconds too long. It's only 20 seconds too long if you compare it to ArabSat, which is a different launch and a newer version of the rocket. Why is that? I'm not even sure who that's for. That's definitely for Nathan. Yeah, definitely for me. And that guy is obviously a globe head who lives in a SpongeBob reality because he goes to rocket launches and records them, actually. Just letting you know. Craig, that was a question for me thinking. I know. I was just correcting you, so you knew who you were responding to. Why are you talking during a question that was for me, Craig? It was clear you didn't know who you were responding to, so I was letting you know. I was in the middle of speaking again, Craig. Do you know what interrupting is and how it's rude? Interrupting. Yes, Nathan, I do. I was just making sure you're aware of who you were speaking to. That was all. It's rude to interrupt people, Craig. Oh, I was helping you out. One, two, three, four. Nathan, are you going to be a chance to respond to that? Otherwise, we're going to have to go to the next question. Yeah, I didn't say that J.M. Truth did. I never made any claims about his video. I don't know who he is. I have no idea who that guy is. So these are how globers are, guys. They live in SpongeBob. All right, good enough. All right, thank you. Mayard saves. Thanks for your super chat. They said, they asked, Nathan, without invoking God, what scientific laws hold the flat earth together to keep the planet flat? Zero. Well, with scientific laws that invoking God, you could just take a look at fluid, statics, large bodies of water do not curve. Fluid dynamics, how the air would move around a moving atmosphere, it would move separately from the earth, and things you throw in the air would have a drag. But as fight the flatter said, earth doesn't rotate under things in the air. So I hope that answers your question. Gotcha, thanks so much. Next up, appreciate your super chat from Kang024, who asked question for Nathan. Given the sun does not change in angular size to an observer as it sets, please explain a sunset. Yeah, of course. If you would have listened, the sun does change angular size. Chris Van Matre has recorded it. He's a land surveyor and pilot and flat earther. And I've recorded personally, the sun and moon shrinking into a little dot above the horizon. Star trails also don't intersect the marine horizon. They vanish off in the distance above the horizon, just as we would suspect on a flat stationary earth. Thanks for the question. Any more questions? Super chat, James. I'll be here all night. I mean, you're getting everything wrong. Is it fair to just get everything wrong for these people? Maybe you could try answering something right. Next up. That would be nice. They're paying money. Nuga, thanks for your super chat. Let's see. That's like, a lot of these are pretty abusive. So I'm gonna, I'll let some abuse go, but some of these are like, dear gosh. Yeah, it's because the- It's because you're a disgusting human being. It's cold. Kang024, thanks for your super chat. They said, question for Nathan. If a mentally ill hobo shouts diluted rubbish. Oh, this one, I'll just let it slide. Shouts diluted rubbish at children. Does that mean the earth is flat? They think I'm homeless, James. How funny is that? Eight shower heads. Thanks so much. Steven Steen, you sicko. Thanks for your super chat. Glad to see you. He says, tested positive for COVID-19. Telling my lover's team, fight the flat earth and James. That's pretty nasty. I think you might actually have COVID-19, but- I mean, if anyone's gonna get it, it's Steen, right? That's true. And all the men's truck stops, the men's bathrooms at truck stops and things. So thanks for that, Steven Steen. Anamorphic mind, thanks for your super chat. They said, save Nathan's dog. I don't know what, Nathan is your dog in danger? No, Geo's so good. I go live with him pretty much every day. I've got the most awesome, beautiful coonhound. Hey, hey, why don't you pick up after your dog when it shits on someone's garden? Okay, so Craig, just so you know, I wasn't going for a full walk that day. He had just went to in the backyard and I went out in front of the house and Geo, of course, pulls me down the street, pulls me around the corner. The kids were outside. That's when- If you're walking your dog, no matter how little, you should have bags with you. That is really bad dog ownership. And a shitty, shitty thing to do. You were near a school, dog feces contains parasites that can actually blind children. So as well as harassing them, you were putting them in danger. Yeah, you guys hear that? If you have dogs and they poop in the backyard, they're gonna make your children go blind according to Craig. Well, that's not according to our question. We're going to, what, we're gonna let you know folks. Some of these I'll let them slide, but some of them are so abusive that I'm like, gosh. And so there's no guarantee that if your super chat is abusive, there's no guarantee it will be read. I think that's something I've stated like many times before in previous streams. Yeah, James, I run the largest research group. I'm not here to insult- Search group. I don't allow insults in my group. Let's just move forward with people who have scientific questions. Ooh, something brilliant. I want to get some value to your audience because they certainly didn't get- Hey, hey, they got plenty of value seeing you be an idiot. That they got to see exactly what they wanted. Thanks for your super chat. There wasn't an insult. It was a fact. Has your dog returned home or I mean to your car? Now, Nathan, that doesn't look like a car that you're sitting in. I don't know, but is it so- James, let me be very clear, Craig. When you don't know where you live, you can't assume to know you know where other people- He's avoiding a question again. And Craig is interrupting me again, the super chat. Oh, I was talking to myself actually. I'm keeping myself entertained. Then go on mute, Craig, because- Nah, that's all right. The audience is asking me questions in your- Trust me here, Nathan, they're here to see me rip you apart. Since the super chats are already, a lot of these are minimal derogatory toward Nathan. Let's at least let him finish before you jump in fight. Okay, let's see. King, zero, two, four. Thanks for your super chat. They said question for Nathan. Please provide an explanation for the hundreds of weather balloon flight videos that show the curve of the earth. You should have seen some of them. Most are made by school children. Yes, most of those use what's called a GoPro lens. And when you're SpongeBob living in a pineapple under the sea, you think that a lens that curves the horizon is proof you live on a cartoon spinning globe. But I'm here, Nathan, the crusader for justice, the freedom fighter that's gonna teach all you guys where you live. That's not actually how it works. You said child, you said child harasser wrong. So the dog cam, the dog cam that all the flyers like to use, there was two cameras on dog cam. One of them is clearly a one that's walked in his fish eye. But the other one, you can actually watch and see that it's not fish eye because- Hey, nobody asked you anything. Nathan, the adults are talking with quiet now. So you can actually watch the other one is not fish eye because it goes over the center point many times and it stays curved and it matches the curve predictions. So even the dog cam shows a physical curve on a camera that doesn't have fish eye. It's amazing. Right, what was the elevation on the dog cam? I don't know exactly the elevation but you could quite clearly see curve especially when you compress it at the side. Okay, so you don't know the elevation at all. Do you think it was above 120,000 feet, Craig? I'm not sure of the actual distance, Nathan. Do you have hearing difficulties? Could you look it up for us? Do you have hearing difficulties? Since it was your argument. Can you- Yeah, I'm actually looking for the video to show you what I'm talking about. You give me one second. You can see the video. I know what you're talking about. Oh, well, you know what I'm talking about? The one that shows curve, cool story. I'm wondering what the elevation was for that. It was whatever elevation the dog cam was and it showed the curve there. So you won't be specific and tell me at what else. Because I don't know the exact answer, Nathan. But what I do know is that it quite clearly showed curve. Well, Craig, you're not very busy during this question and answer part. Maybe you- Oh, no, I've been busy. Don't worry. I'm writing a script for the videos I'm gonna make about you. You find out for us while I'm answering more questions from the Helios Center. Is your Google broken? What? What's up? Let's- All right, next up. Razark 9, thanks for your super chat. Their full name is Razark 9, flat tarred tear drinker. I'm sorry, Nathan, but come on. Some of these, it's like you gotta- That's pretty funny. I'm not saying they're not all not funny. I mean, some people are extremely- They said, hey, fight the flat earth, you're awesome. Question for Nathan before he rage quits. Why do you block and delete anyone who slightly disagrees with you, troll or not? So you got a fan out there fight and Nathan, you got a critic out there. Yeah, of course. So I run the official flat earth and globe discussion for the last five years. I've answered every question under the sun at least a thousand times. So when people harass me or call me names or insult me, I immediately block them because I don't have to put up with traffic on social media. It's not my job. My job is to educate people. You don't have a job. I want to learn. You've never had a fucking deal. Your job is to interrupt me, Craig, because you have- Well, you're blatantly just lying now, just like your flyers contain blatant lies. All right, so next up, thanks for your super chat from MaynardSaves who says, please explain why the Pyrrhees map indicates Antarctica as a continent and not ice wall. How far back does the conspiracy go? Well, I've never even heard of this map, but the United States Geological Survey, USGS, which are the people who make maps, they use a flat Earth to not only calculate distances outward from the North Pole, but also from making maps of Antarctica. I find that very interesting, so. Cool, do you want to show that they use a flat map or is it a projection of something? Because every geological survey ever done has shown that there's a curve. We didn't even get to me showing you the evidence of actual geological surveys showing the shape of the Earth. Hey, SpongeBob, back in the fourth portion is done. We moved on to the question and- You've got a thing about SpongeBob, is that your first, dude? I don't have to talk to you. No, no, you do, you do. Next up, Kang024, thanks for your super chat. That's a question for Nathan. Do you think that the, let's see, I don't understand this. I've never seen chitty-chitty bang-bang. They said, do you think that the child catcher from chitty-chitty bang-bang thinks the Earth is flat? Next question, please, James. Michael Dresden, thanks for your super chat, who says Nathan Thompson already won in caps. You got a fan out there. He's the number one elephant in his life. Steven Steen, thanks for your super chat, who said COVID-19 was invented by NASA to close schools after Nathan started telling kids the truth about playgrounds to lock him inside. Stop censoring Nathan. In all seriousness, guys, COVID-19 is extremely serious. We're going to keep on going. Fabian Men of 36 Go, thanks for your super chat to say, given a right triangle, the adjacent side of a 30-degree angle is 111.3 kilometers, calculate the length of the opposite side of the triangle, can Nathan Thompson solve this simple exercise in trig? Yeah, get at me. Flat Earth Flyers at gmail.com. Happy to help you with that. He can't do math. Gotcha. Let's see, thanks for that. Next up, thanks, Pex, Amira, Kana, for your super chat. They ask, please ask Nathan how this conspiracy has been kept under wraps for decades and why only a bunch of... Let's see, I'm trying to think of... I don't think that would hate speech without the... It's pretty harsh. Some people who have no... They have poor recognition of other minds and social rules on YouTube have found, quote, the truth. Yeah, of course. So every ancient civilization knew that the Earth was flat and stationary. That guy's just basically calling all his ancestors idiots because he worships the government. Ancestors were idiots. They didn't know anything. Another interruption, because he worships the government on his SpongeBob fairy tale imagination religion called the heliocentric model. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from Animorphic Mind. You forgot so tiny. Let's see, says Steven Steen lost this debate. Agreed, we agree on that. Thank you. Steven Steen follows up with a super chat. It says, we all win when James is here. Rawr, gosh, Steven, nasty guy. Thanks for your super chat, Shannon Nemi. I hope I pronounced that right. Let me know if I didn't. Says Nathan, that's not how any of that works. This is earlier in the debate, so could have been in reference to, I can't remember exactly what it was in reference to. Thanks for being vague, cool pet. Stringer news, one, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, you claim, quote, fluid dynamics means that air must act like a solid, not a fluid. Why? That's not how actual fluids work. Cool story. No, no, he asked you why? Okay, I was very clear how fluids work, and I showed many examples in my introduction. Gotcha. The Athens 619, thanks for your super chat. They said, let me Google flat earth, nothing but cartoons. Can't have it both ways, Natalie, that's special pleading. Yeah, of course. I never claimed to have a picture of the entire flat earth, but if you go outside and take a picture, a real picture, not one you get from NASA, you'll see a flat earth, and those are all real pictures. So yes, we have lots of real pictures of the flat earth. Gotcha, thanks for that. Next up, thanks for your super chat from Grythy Earth, Nathan, your Coriolis effect, or the atmosphere turns with the earth. Exclusive is called a bifurcation fallacy, both can and do happen. I know, I tried to explain to him. Yes, when you have a SpongeBob fairy tale religion that doesn't match with science, can you just drop your drink? That's another, no, I didn't. I dropped a SpongeBob pineapple imagination fairy tale globe lamp pop. It lives in a pineapple under the sea. Thank you very much, let's see. No doubt, thanks for your super chat. Who said, stop talking like a pretentious child, Natalie. You can't. Go watch something else. Gotcha, King Conquest, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, you only feel acceleration, in parentheses, changes in velocity. You do not feel constant velocity. In a vacuum at constant velocity, you feel nothing, right or wrong? Wrong, because, and let me be very clear for the SpongeBob in the audience, if you're on a merry-go-round going 1,000 miles an hour, you definitely feel it, whether you're accelerating or not, because all things that are curving or in a curved path, not moving linear, they're accelerating to the direction that they're curving, my friend. So when globe heads who believe in fake fairy tales, SpongeBob imagination science say things like, you don't feel velocity, you only feel acceleration. What these people honestly are saying is that you could be on a merry-go-round going a bazillion miles an hour and you wouldn't feel it because you're not changing speeds. How funny is that, guys? That's what globe heads- Wow, so Nathan, how much would you feel if you're on a merry-go-round rotating once a fucking day, you moron? Craig, I'm answering questions from the audience. If you have a question, please- Oh, I know you don't know the answer, it's just, you know, there's no point. James, and I will answer your question, Craig. You don't know the answer, it's cool. Thanks for your question from Sleet. They said that given that GPS works mid-ocean and that GPS antennas are less than one square inch, therefore not Loren antennas and given that GPS can be blocked by metal objects directly above the antennas, how does it work? Yeah, so GPS is a multitude of things, guys. It's not cartoons in space and I really want to share this- Any evidence of that? If you could go ahead and share my screen, James, I do want to share, I should be sharing my entire screen. You know, I looked up before this debate, a couple things, like satellites in space and where am I at here, guys, one second? Here we go. Hey, well, that page you just showed debunked what you said earlier about the second law of thermodynamics. Hey, you have to super chat. Oh, Nathan! Answer your question. Yeah, I'm gonna give you shit so you can stop whining about shit. Can you go ahead and call me because the super chat was me, Craig, I'm responding to the super chat. You're being stupid, I'm just pointing out. We have to give him a chance to respond to the super chat. Go ahead, Nathan. Thank you very much. So yeah, cartoons is all you get when you look up satellites in space, look up the South Pole from space and you get a bunch of cartoons. Look at the solar system in space and you get a bunch of cartoons. Cartoons are not real, ladies and gentlemen. We do not live in a, these are cartoons just like Simpson, South Park, Scooby-Doo, SpongeBob SquarePants. That is what the globe religion is. It is a cartoon fairy tale imagination land cosmology. Hey, just because you don't understand doesn't make it wrong, just makes you an idiot. Excellent, James, I wanna make sure I cover that question more specifically. What was that question exactly relating to? They said, given that GPS works mid ocean and that GPS antennas are less than one square inch, therefore not, I got it, I got it. They think that cartoons are taking care of all these transmissions around the world, but ladies and gentlemen, me, Nathan, here to tell you, it's not cartoons doing it, it's terrarium helium balloons. They use ground-based towers sometimes. They have fiber optic cables connecting all the major countries that move lots of information around and then they can use modified U2 spy planes to also move that information around and they have Navy vessels on the ocean. So not cartoons, a multitude of things. It's called a network. Like Verizon, you ever seen the commercial? Can you hear me now? Yes, it's the network. Got you, thanks very much. Next up. Can I just respond to that quickly? I have Nathan. Given that it's- Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. I do have to, let's see, okay. Sparky NJ, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, do you think they send satellites into space solely to take pictures of other satellites? Really, think if you can on whether this makes sense. No, I don't think they send satellites into space. Satellite launches are parabolic and we have no real pictures of satellites in space and space would violate the second law of thermodynamics. So space is fake, NASA is using zero G planes, CGI augmented reality, harnesses, hairspray and the natural buoyancy laboratory which is a giant pool to fake everybody into thinking space is real. Gotcha. Next up. Thanks so much. With no evidence, good clean. Earth, thanks for your super chat. They say, SpongeBob proves that flat earth, Nathan Thompson, 2020. Thank you very much. Rusty P, thanks for your super chat. They say, okay, at this point when he brings up the train part, they said, okay, at this point when he brings up the train part, Nathan Thompson is confirmed a poll, no one is really believing that. So, gotcha. Want to respond to Ken? You don't have to know. Thank you, Globy. Gotcha. Streamer news one, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, in the Chicago photo, where is the Buckingham Fountain? If it's flat, we should see it. So this is when glow pegs forget that we have atmosphere and that they think that there's no effects looking through 60 miles of atmosphere. Now, of course, you're gonna have some waves, you might have some evaporation, there might be some smog, there might be some light attrition, things might have reached. Lots of light beads, no facts, typical. A lot of variables you have to take into account. Yeah, but the effects of refraction have actually been quantified and we know exactly what they are. All those variables have actually been taken into account. If someone has- Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that it's fake. We understand refraction, it's been quantified quite well. Gotcha. I don't have to talk to you anymore, Craig, because back and forth is over, I've moved on to question and answers from the odd. Yeah, cool, I'm just telling you when you're wrong, which is a waste. Let's see. Fargoff92, thanks for your super chat. They said Nathan is trying to be inmate 06452017 wannabe. Thanks for that. King Conquest, thanks for your super chat. They said, funny thing is Nathan stole Kent Hoven's line about imagination land. Kent Hoven doesn't even believe in a flat earth. What are your thoughts, Nathan? Listen to the Globers and how they have to talk about beliefs. Kent Hoven doesn't believe in a flat earth. Yeah, well, Kent, if you wanna debate me on what you believe, I'm happy to have a debate with you. Hit up James, we can do it on this channel. But the earth is not a spinning ball. There is no scripture to support that and no scientific evidence. People have been duped. Thanks for that. Next up, Bella Charge. Thanks so much. Let's see. Said Nathan Thompson is a Kent Hoven wannabe. Very nice. By the way, if you want the debate with Kent Hovened, I will try to set it up, Nathan, because that is epic. And I don't know if he'll go for it. I don't think he likes flat earth. But common sense criticism, thanks for your super chat. Said I'm writing down that you've been interrupting. They're imitating you, Nathan. Edward Eric, thanks for your super chat. They just didn't say anything. Thanks for that. They said, please don't let Nathan Gishgallop like Hoven. Let's see. We're pretty laissez-faire. Nathan, if you wanna respond on whether or not you think you were Gishgalloping, you can. But I'll defend myself. As long as I was Gishgalloping like Hoven, because if I do stuff like Hoven, that's a compliment. It's okay to be a copycat. As long as you copy the right cat, shout out Kent Hoven. I think he's awesome. Gotcha, thanks for that. He thinks you're an idiot. Sparky, New Jersey. Thanks for your super chat. Who said Natalie, if you're going to mimic Kent Hoven, do you are, let's see. You are more silly than I thought. Thanks for that. Let's see. I don't know if any of these people are Kent Hoven fans. King Conquest, thanks for your super chat. They said modern day debates do not jump in, let them go unhinged. Flat Earth doesn't deserve a structured debate. It's not a debate. It's a show, let it go. So I don't know if they meant to make it a rhyme at the end. But thanks for that idea. Dennis B, or Dennis D. Thanks for your super chat. They said Nathan said he won't attack Craig, then mocks him. Next up, Sleepy Dan. Nathan's going to play some tunes. Says Nathan, we find spheres often in nature. Other planets, water drops, atoms. Even COVID-19. Oh, I don't know if I should have said that. Where in nature do we find snow globes? I don't know if I should have said that. With spinning lights. That's funny. So yes, there are some balls in nature, ladies and gentlemen. But if you look at large bodies of water, they are not analogous to a raindrop. Because a raindrop, if you look at the reflection, it will be distorted. It will not be a perfect mirror because the surface is curved. When a surface is flat, you get a specular reflection, it's a perfect mirror. Good question. We're super chatting. We can go all night, guys. Gotcha, thanks for that. Eric Vierthaler92, thanks for your super chat. They asked, would Nathan ever do a debate with Aaron Raugh? I'm wondering, have you ever done one with Aaron already? No, I didn't know Aaron was an anti-flat earther, but I'm happy to beat some science into Aaron. How would you do that? You don't know any science. No, I don't. You're a scientist. Thanks for your super chat. So we can ask Aaron, maybe it'll happen. I don't know, I think he said he's busy to like May, but Apollo Jedi, thanks for your super chat. They said, Craig interrupts because he knows he's losing in all caps. Craig, you've got a credit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're 100% right. Obviously I lost the debate in which my opponent couldn't answer a single question and just went, it's like it's in the skies, guys. The questions are not after. Next up, Alan Bupri, forgive me if I mispronounced it. Let me know. I said, Nathan, do you understand that no one gives a tish about how many times fight the flat earth insulted you? Well, I- I mean, that was being nice to him, honestly. I mean, it really shows that they don't have any science when they have- Oh, except we have all the science. Hold on, let's let him give a response. All these, most of these super chats are quite hostile. Go ahead, Nathan, really quick. Yeah, it's all right. And notice how they're all directed towards me and nobody has any questions for Craig because- Yeah, because I got everything right. They like talking to an idiot. No, because we learned what Craig believes in second grade and people- I don't have beliefs. People are starting to learn that we're not honest at all and they just- Craig, please stop interrupting while I'm at it. Yeah, we do fight. We have to, I mean- Bro, same. I'm trying to answer questions for your question. These are pretty much all against Nathan already. So it's, to let him respond with being able to respond is pretty fair. Yeah, nobody has any questions for Craig. So Craig, until I'm done talking, please go on mute or something. Next up, Brad Dubey, thanks for your super chat. They said, anybody else feel like Rimmer keeps putting Lister on notice? Are these some sort of, are these like slangs that I don't know, cause I'm a boomer? It's talking about red dwarf. Okay. Gotcha. Oh, and God, Nathan, you suck at guitar, dude, seriously. I know. Next up, A.G. Raven, Wolf, thanks for your super chat. He said, stop abusing the SpongeBob in all caps. Dolly, 88, thanks for your super chat. They said, Hoven knows the earth isn't flat. Why copy him? Hoven doesn't know the earth isn't flat. And I'll debate Ken Hoven any time, any place. He could even bring me down there. I'd love to hang out with him. Say a prayer before we eat a meal. That's my only... That, we might, that might happen this May. Maybe we will actually. I've always wanted to do it. Moderate debate invades dinosaur adventure land where we could go on site for a debate. Bro, that would be awesome, I'm there. So you know me, I get on airplanes and fly to debate. So it's all good. Common sense criticism. Thanks for your super chat. They said, oh no, Nathan might leave. Oh no, terrible. I don't understand. I don't remember, was there a point? I don't, when you said... No, I wasn't gonna leave. It's been really nice. I didn't even talk big once and he interrupted me and insulted me like 30 times. Athens... Yeah, that's because you talk a lot of nonsense and you're an idiot. Yeah, Athens, 619, thanks for your super chat. They said, Natalie loves taking notes from Ken Hoven with SpongeBob imagination in interruptions. They are definitely, can I stop reading the ones that say Nathan Gaby's Ken Hoven? Yeah, sure, I'm done with that too. But then again, it's like, we've heard a lot of it's SpongeBob, so I gotta be fair. Andrew Stoll, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, what is the air pressure at sea level? What is the air pressure at 12,000 meters? Of course, I'm so glad you asked. Now, because we live in a closed dynamic system, the gas is constantly moving around and it's also different in all directions. In homogenous and anisotropic. I covered that earlier, but maybe you weren't here. Appreciate your super chat. The gas is all moving around. We don't have been a car driver. What you just said is wrong because there is actually layers of density. I'll give you a chance to... Is someone else talking? Who is that? I promise I'll give you a chance to respond, fight. But I do want to just let him finish and then Mike promise we'll come right back to you. Thanks so much, James. So yeah, we live in an atmosphere that's constantly moving around in different and all directions. So there is what's called a gradient, but without a container, you would not have gas pressure. It's the necessary antecedent. Go ahead, Craig. What you just said is wrong because there is an average pressure layers that go up. That does not mean it is different in all directions and is all mixed up like you say. There is a pressure gradient, a density and that is not explained by atmosphere just being different in all directions. What you just said is dumb. You're dumb. All flat earthers are dumb. The other thing is not excellent, Craig. No, a fact. Thanks so much. Get it wrong. Get it right. Thanks so much for your super chat from, appreciate it, Andrew Stroll Stoll. Thanks for your question. They said, Nathan, what is the... Oh yeah, hurry up, that's embarrassing. Gabriel Kay, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan is so hot, too bad he's dishonest creep. Got you. Well, someone out there thinks you're hot, Nathan. Hey, it's all right, James, because once she realized I'm right, she's still gonna think I'm hot. It looks like it's a bald man, but to each their own sleet, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, how can we have roughly five pounds per square inch absolute at the top of mountains and 14.8 pounds per square inch at sea level without a container between them? Excellent, we're moving a closed dynamic system. The gas pressure and the temperatures and everything and the elements are constantly moving around in different and all directions. Thanks for answering, thanks for asking. Wrong. Gotcha, thanks for that. Next up, King Conquest, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, please stop equating phenomena in microcosms on earth to phenomena in macrocosms. Why do you think extrapolation makes your analogies correct? You're gonna have to elaborate to exactly what topic you were talking about. So you're too vague, next. Both breather, thanks for your super chat. They said, for Nathan, what is a Carnot engine? Sorry, mouth breather, but a Carnot engine I'm not familiar with. Airplanes don't run on jet fuel. They use them to start, but other than that, it's free energy. Wow, you're dumb. Like, that's not in, so that is a fact. If you're one of the numpties that think that airplanes run on fucking compressed air, then your IQ is lower than, like, negative. Seriously, what the actual fuck? Yup, my IQ is lower. Have you ever taken an engineering class or anything? Could you please give me the maths of how a plane works on compressed air, you fucking numpty? No, we were going to give Nathan a responses because the original question was for him and then we got to move to the next question. Go ahead, Nathan. Yeah, of course. So, you know, if you look up the specs and the statistics for the Boeing 747 or the Airbus, they're allegedly holding almost 100,000 pounds of gasoline in each wing. Now, that's the equivalent to eight or nine oil tankers. If you have a pool installed in your house, it'll bring roughly nine to 12,000 gallons for every truck that shows up to your house. And so, they'll tell you that there's, like, 10 to 20 trucks of gasoline and they fill these things up in, like, 10 minutes and the wings are going up six feet and down six feet and bouncing around and flexing like crazy. I'm here to tell you they're hiding technology from you guys. This is why we need to stop believing in SpongeBob science and research flat earth because there's a lot of stuff we could benefit from. That's why they lie. Knowledge is power. Gotcha. That's why you have no power. I guess I mispronounced it. It's Carnot engine. Sorry about that. I'm happy self-isolated. Thanks for your super chat. Is that, okay. They said, thanks. All idiots are gonna be carriers. Keep them distracted and off the streets. Examples of gas under pressure in a vacuum is called the sun. So I think there are a lot to respond to whatever part you want, Nathan. They just presupposed space and then said, the sun is in space. Cool story, bro. Oh, but the sun and the moon are the same size, not because they appear the same size. They are the same size that they actually are. Cool. Glovers will say that, oh, we have seasons because the earth's tilted 66.6 degrees and moving farther, 3 million miles farther away during perihelion. And it's 3 million miles closer during apihelion. But the temperature differences is because of a little tilt in a ball earth. That is not reality. That is SpongeBob fairy tale imagination land. If you look at the sun's path over a 12 month period, a sun analima, it's where we get the symbol for infinity from. The wheel in the sky keeps on turning. The loop in the north is not analogous to the loop in the south. It's smaller because the sun's actually making a smaller path in the summer when it goes around the North Pole and then it speeds up in the winter to complete its 24 hour circuit in one day. Got it. Well, even your understanding of the model is wrong because it's not the tilt. It's the amount of energy per square mile. Okay? You can do the same thing over and over again. No, no, no. Because what you said is wrong. What you said is wrong. We've got out. We do. The angle that the energy is covering is larger. Super chats. We're done talking to you, Craig. I can understand disagreeing. The only trick is just to try to get through as many questions as possible because even when I'm skimming out the... Yeah, James, I'm just pointing out that he is not even arguing against the heliocentric model. He's arguing against his dumbass version of the heliocentric model, which is not... No one thinks what he thinks. Just to keep on going. What's up? Hey, James. As a patron of the channel, as the other debater, if Craig's just gonna have pictures, Photoshop pictures of me playing over and over on his screen, can we just block his screen out or something? Because I'm here answering all the super chats. Oh, little blockers. I'm happy to stay as long, but I mean, I know Craig... What's wrong, Snowflake? I know Craig has a lot of hundreds of pictures of me on his computer, and God only knows what he does with those. Oh, I look at it every night when I need to cheer myself up and there's a dumbass in the world. All right, let's stay focused. We do have a lot of these. So 99.9% of the super chats are like targeting Nathan. So we've got to try to keep things balanced. We've never had it. Hold on one second. We've never had it. Nathan. I mean, my men persecute you and... Listen. All sorts of evil. Messiah complex. What I'm saying is... Rejoice. It's crazy to reward and have it. I want to say that Craig, just both to be fair to Nathan and let him respond to the super chats, as well as because we want to get through as many as we can. If you could do us the kind favor of not interrupting. And then we've never had... I'm having so much fun, James. I can tell. We've never had a debater play pictures of their opponent in a clown suit during... You agree, Nathan, I'm sorry. We've never made a will. Nathan, just relax. It's... That's how famous I am, bro. It's kind of funny. It's kind of funny. So it's like... If one knows she was an idiot. It is kind... We've never made a rule for it. So I don't really want to like... We know now that we might have to make a rule for that. But anyway, next up, Ellen Age, thanks for your super chat. They said, stop hitting yourself, Nathan. Rusty P, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, if you say stuff that's wrong, then don't complain you silly. Thank you. Thank you. Super core energy strikes again. Thanks for your super chat. She says, the only thing flat is James's butt when he wears his mom jeans. That's... Not true. James is ripped. Well, it's kind of true, but I appreciate that, Nathan. Next up, Ellen, Eric, thanks for your super chat. Says, Nathan, since you... Yes, Mr. Unifor. Since you say you can't see North Star in the Southern Hemisphere because of... Fleurspective. And do you agree, Sailors, used a sexton to navigate? How does a sexton... Am I saying that right? Account for Fleurspective. Sexton. Sexton, thank you. Yeah. Sexton account for Fleurs, what? The Fleurs... The Flat Earth perspective. Yeah, of course. The Flat Earth perspective is that the sky is a map and a clock. So if you base all your navigations on the sky, which is a map and a clock, you'll end up doing pretty well and figure out where you're going. That's why they did it that way for hundreds of years. Craig said it in his opening argument and they didn't even know about the theory of special relativity until 50, 100 years ago, or 100 years ago, whatever. But recently, okay, not for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, that's just SpongeBob fairy tale imagination land. Gotcha, appreciate it. Sexton doesn't work on Flat Earth and the story. Next up, Bartos Diagos, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, this is really unhealthy. You need to stop this Flat Earth stuff. Greetings from the Netherlands. Really interesting. So they're gonna say that I'm really, really unhealthy. Well, then I'm gonna go ahead and share a picture of me with my shirt off. You're six foot and 160 pounds. Nathan is commencing. You can get snapped by a wind. Nathan is about to show a picture of himself with his shirt off. It's really not necessary. Will you take your word for it? You're healthy. Next up, so appreciate it. By the way, Brian Stevens, I'm so sorry. I forgot your, I'm so sorry. I've lost your question. If you're out there, Brian, please help me out. Sorry about that. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks for your other super chat. Stringer news one. No, no, stop, Nathan. Oh, well, that's very beautiful. No, no, no. There's a difference between malnourished and ripped. That was very beautiful, Nathan. Okay, next up. Six foot, 160 pounds. I was making you have a good straight. Yeah. Stringer news one. I'm still more healthy than you. Stringer one. Stringer one. Now you guys are comparing your health. Plus I get to, you know, eat a steak. He said he's more healthy than me with his man. Oh, definitely, definitely more healthy than you are. You guys have quite the old rivalry. Edward, Eric, thanks for your super chat. He said, Nathan, since you say you can't see the North Star in the Southern Hemisphere because of, oh, I got that. Sorry. Stringer news one. Thanks for your super chat. And he said, Nathan, have you actually measured absolute pressure at a tire rim? Or is this all just wishful thinking? My claim is you can't have pressure around a tire rim without a tire. If you believe you can, show me, email me, Flat Earth Fliers at gmail.com. I don't want to be wrong about anything. I mean, if you can show me a tire rim with gas pressure without a tire, I mean, I'll pay about you like 20 bucks. Thanks so much. I really appreciate you showing me a tire rim with gas pressure and no tire. There is no tire rim in that picture, Craig. You are spun scientifically. You've moved the goalposts. And that is pressure next to no pressure with no barrier, which breaks your entire flat Earth Fliers. That is a container, Craig. Is there a container between the vacuum and the pressure? Yes or no? If you don't breathe plasma. Is there a container between the vacuum and the pressure? Yes or no? Simple yes or no? I don't care about what you breathe. I'm asking you a yes or no question. Try to focus for one second. Is there a barrier between the pressure and the vacuum? Yes or no? You have no measurements for what's going on. Yes or no? All you did was show me a little light and ask me yes or no. And I'm telling you, I don't show that. Well, you can actually get the measurements from this. I told you it is a vacuum of 10 to the negative 11 Torr. Oh, yeah, you can tell me that. But can you? I can send you the I can send you the specifications of that particular Tokamak nuclear reactor, if you like. OK, so it's going to quick move forward. I've done a poor job of keeping us on track. So I do have to push forward. Fargoth and A2, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, talking about deflection? Bella charge, thanks for your super chat. And said, we are going to let them fly, because you do weird stuff, Nathan. And flat earth. That looks really good, by the way, Nathan. I want to know what that is. I want to buy that. This is called ROM Passion Fruit Double Killer from The Answers. I opened it because we're doing question and answers. And this is a brewery here in Richmond. And this is actually made after a cocktail. Pirates used to make where they would soak ROM, have coconuts in ROM. And then in this one, they actually include passion fruit and guava. So they call it ROM Passion Fruit Double Tank. It's really good, dude. Got you. Thank you more than I needed. But thanks for your super chat. And flat earth says everything Nathan Tumson says is logically flawed and factually incorrect. Jeff Roberts, thanks for your super chat. They said, Jeff Roberts said, careful by the flat earth, he's tallying interruptions. 10 tallies equals one demerit. Three demerits equals one citation. Five citations equals one violation. Four violations equals one verbal warning. Keep it up. And it's a written warning, two written warnings and equals disciplinary review. Is that from the office? I can't remember. Yeah, that might be from NASA, actually. I should probably watch it. I need to get my shell check. I'm glad you're making money every time these blowbacks say those ridiculous nonsense. I can't remember what movie or TV show that's from, but I know I've heard it before. I like it. Be nice, be safe, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, please explain all seasons and tides work on your model in detail, please. Of course. Very happy to, but not in detail because we're limited on time. The sun and the moon, the past they make, can track and expand every six months as they go around polar centers. So sometimes the sun will be above your head in the northern latitudes below the Tropic of Cancer. Sometimes the sun will be above your head in the southern latitudes above the Tropic of Capricorn. So it just depends what time of the year it is and where you are because the wheel in the sky keeps on turning in water, especially salt water, looking to its effects is diamagnetic and the sun and moon are not what we've been told at all whatsoever. So that's actually why we experience four tidal movements is not because the moon's on the other side of earth pulling all the water into like an egg-shaped gravitational tide, morphing the earth into like an oblong egg or something. That's just goofy, non-repeatable, non-observable science, action at a distance, spooky, cult of bumpy particles, sorcery, imagination, SpongeBob, fairy tale land. Cool, science is sorcery. Yeah, magic was his answer there, guys, just in case you were confused. Next up, David Keller, thanks for your super chat. They said, Q, question, globe earth has four layers, the crust, mantle intercore and outer core, but on a flat earth model, how many layers does the flat earth have? Deepest hole dug is eight miles. So I'm gonna go ahead, Craig put up that, I'm a dumb ass and then put arrows pointing towards my screen. So I'm gonna put another insult down because all the- Oh, how'd that get there? All the shapeshifting globe monkeys have is insults and interruptions and they are scientifically illiterate. So next up, appreciate your super chat from, Edward Eric says, fight the flat earth, please educate Nathan that eight to the eight miles squared is not- Eight inches per mile squared is nonsense. I mean, technically it's nearly accurate for a certain distance, but eight inches per mile squared is a parabola, not a circle. The actual formula to calculate the hidden drop that you should see is H equals one, R times one minus cause A and that's accurate for any distance. So yeah, eight inches per mile squared is a very bad approximation. Gotcha, next up, appreciate your super chat from, Kent Hovind Selmate says does- Wait, can I respond to that, James? Yes. Nah, you've said enough. At what distance is eight inches per mile squared not accurate, Craig? Well, it's not accurate for any distance. It's a rough approximation. Okay, and at what distance is it way off, Craig? Pretty far, but it's never accurate. It's an approximation. So it's- Do you know what the word approximation means? So guys, I have all the math for not just Pythagorean theorem, but Segeda and AutoCAD. If you plug in a ball, 24,901 miles around, there will be a vertical drop. And this is not me making enough. You can look at the Earth curve calculators on the globe. They use the one that I said, actually. All the good ones anyway. Okay, so at one mile, how much curve would there be? About eight inches, Craig? Approximately, that's what the word approximately means. Excellent. Are we having issues with the word approximately? Excellent. So approximately- Are we having a problem with that, the word? Does approximately- Nathan, does approximately mean exactly? Yes or no? Craig said it's not accurate. I asked him what it is, and he told me exactly what I told him it is. That's hilarious, guys. But the equation that I gave is accurate for any distance. Got a lot more questions. Ken Hovind's cellmate, thanks for your super chat, they said. Does Hovind know that Nathan is nicking his gimmick? Rusty P, thanks for your super chat, says, damn, person who is intelligent versus person who is knocking out SpongeBob. Let's see. Got some critics out there. Point and laugh, thanks for your super chat, they said Natalie is hysterical, like a three-year-old child. Nathan, you can respond if you want to to any of these, otherwise I'm just gonna cruise through them. But I got a fake ID, though. Thank you. Yeah, just before you keep the ID, you need it when you go to court. The bitwise 79, thanks for your super chat, they said the SpongeBob shtick is lame. Leave that junk to Ken Hovind. Ranger man 9404, thanks for your super chat, they said perspective, the Flurfs quote, get out of science free card, unquote. Eric, or Edward Eric, thanks for your super chat, says Nathan define inhomogenous isotropic. Got inhomogenous and anisotropic, means not the same and constantly moving around. So it's different in all directions, the atmosphere as far as pressure and temperature, and that is changing minute to minute, hour to hour, because we live in a closed dynamic system, not a tilted cartoon ball in space. Gotcha. That's SpongeBob. Thanks for that. Let's see. Dennis D, thanks for your super chat, who said Natalie use hammer to break ice wall and drain ocean. Confused. Andrew Stoll, thanks for your super chat, who said Nathan, why is air pressure 1,013.25 m bar at sea level and 10.902 m bar at 30,480 meters? Please explain how this works in a dome or really large tire. Yeah, of course. So because we have a sun and a moon that heat in cool things, the gas is inhomogenous and anisotropic and constantly moving around in all directions. Did you just say the moon calls things? Yes, of course. But you also said the second law of thermodynamics. The second law of thermodynamics says that you cannot have a cold light. No, it does not say that. Yes, it most definitely does unless you can literally reverse entropy of light, because light is energy, therefore it cannot be cold because that would be negative. You cannot claim the second law of thermodynamics, defies our atmosphere, and then say the moon gives cold light because that's dumb as fuck. Do you know who Ken Wheeler is, Craig? Yes, what's your point? They call him Mr. Magnetism. He's got almost 200,000 subscribers on YouTube. He used a flur, which picks up a heat signature and determined as a globe head that moonlight is in fact cold. I've also done this- No, no, no, that's for radiative cooling. Please don't interrupt me, Craig. You've got something wrong, so I'm gonna tell you. You've got radiative cooling. No, we don't need to talk to you anymore. We'll talk to you back and forth when you interrupt me is over. Radiative cooling, Nathan. You only get to interrupt me 19 times during this debate, tonight, Craig. We have moved on to the question and answer portion, and so far, and I've been keeping track of this, all the questions are for me, not for you, Craig, so write down. Next up. Write it down. Just to say, you know, Nathan, I've been doing a month long- Hold on a second. All right, King Kong quest. Thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, all of the South Pole sees the same stars, all of the North Pole sees the same stars. If Antarctica goes around the flat Earth, how do they see the same stars but not the North Star in the middle? That guy is proving the Earth is not a spinning ball in space by his question, because- He's not getting more. All right, we have to give Nathan an actual chance to respond, otherwise it's not gonna- Oh, sorry, I was talking to myself there. I apologize. It's all right, Craig. I'm not apologizing to you. You're a moron. I forgive you. Oh, another one. Okay, we've got to go ahead, Nathan. I just can't. I mean, James, what is the point of this? I mean, is he adding any value to the show, or is he like a little kid chiming in with a peanut gallery? As a moderator, I would think you would want to add a little more value to your audience. Oh, they're getting plenty of value, Nathan. If you're balling in a lot. Watching you be an idiot. If you'd like to respond to that last one, you can. Otherwise, we'll go to the next question. Yeah, I was interrupted so many times and insulted for no reason. What was the question, James? Oh my God. All of the South Pole sees the same stars. All the North Pole sees the same stars. If Antarctica goes around the flat Earth, how do they see the same stars, but not the North Star in the middle? Excellent. They are starting to figure it out. It looks like my science hammer is getting into the blow-ped SpongeBob imagination because we do see the same stars day after day, year after year. The Earth is not a ball in space. Now, if we were on a ball in space, let's pretend that my fruity, delicious sour is the sun. Now, if we're on a ball in space, what, at this time of the year, you would look this direction and that would be all the stars, right? But then as you orbit the super delicious sour and you get six months later, you'd end up over here and you'd be looking that direction off into space. So when a globe head says, why do we see all the same stars? You should ask them, you're right. Don't you think we live on a ball in space? SpongeBob? Got you, thanks for that. Can I just quickly tell him why he's wrong? If it's like, he's going fast. Come on, it's only fair to, it's only fair, yeah. If we don't get your super chat folks, it's quite his fault, okay? We do see different stars throughout the year. So you're wrong once again, so there is six months where you can't see some because you are right there on the other side. You just proved the heliocentric model, but all the stars that we see in the night sky are relatively close to us in the galactic sense and traveling around the center of the galaxy where we're with us. So you are not going to see much movement and you're an idiot. Is there any salt, is there much? No, fact, fact. Next up, thanks for your super chat. Let's see, appreciate it from show your sources. They say someone in the North and someone in the South opposite sides of the earth. Next up, King conquest, thanks for your super chat. They said, I know Polaris is in the North sky even in the daytime. Yes, but you can't see it. So there would be no observation claiming someone at night and someone in the day can both see Polaris. You can assume it's there, but you can't see it. So when Craig goes, two people are looking at the same stars, no they're not because it would be on the other side of the earth. Craig believes in SpongeBob imagination. Go ahead, Craig, interrupt me. Are you just going to steal like Coebin's entire bit? You can't feel what Ken Hoven gives freely and if I have to be- Now you've literally stolen his bit. Literally stolen. You don't have any originality about it. Thank you so much. They're not at all, Craig. What are you going to do with the kids in school? It's amazing. Let's see, Brad Dubey, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, why does light care about visibility from above in parentheses from the vertical at any distance versus say light from the horizontal to an example, the sunset? You have no critical thinking skills. Zero. Cool story. Thanks for that. No doubt. Thanks for your super chat. They say, shut up, Natalie. Space monkey, seven, seven. Thanks for your super chat. They say Neil deGrasse Tyson also says a lot more to support physics. Why don't you consider that, Natalie? What physics does he say to support? Because he tells you that Earth rotates under balls. If you believe that, you should take a look at a hot air balloon or a drone or a helicopter or smoke or insects or take a look at- That's pretty cool. Someone who just teed off a golf. If someone, if the Earth's moving under a football which travels for very short period of time, why wouldn't it move under a golf tee which has a lot more hang time than a football throw? I mean, this is just backwards reality, upside down, imagination, land, science. Next up. So you still don't know what planet- Skeptic whiz, thanks for your super chat. They said, fight the flat Earth already lost. Case closed. Through that, I agree with that person. I'm totally lost. I mean, objective reality says exactly the opposite. It's hard to lose a debate when your opponent doesn't answer a single one of your fucking questions. Questions are evidence, Craig. If you had some evidence, then- Oh, I presented plenty of evidence. You just don't understand any of it. I went through all of them, 0.5 points. And you were wrong about all of it. Now we have the opportunity to answer the question. We're going to fight the last word on this one just because the super chat was for him. What was that? So what was the super chat? It was just the one- The one being nasty to me. Oh, OK. Yeah, I mean, flat Earthers are going to be flat Earthers, and all flat Earthers are fucking idiots. DITRH. Wait, shall I respond to that? No, let's move on. Let's move on. Flat Earthers will be flat Earthers. Let's move on. But global Earthers will also be flat Earthers. Eight showerheads. I was handshake global Earther, too. Was originally for him. DITRH, thanks for your super chat. They said, the stars rotate to a position close to the viewer while Polaris remains at a fixed position. Through that, Polaris means pole star. We are not blasting through space. Earth is stationary. Seems like my hammer is getting through to the SpongeBob fans. Thanks very much. Ranger man number 0-4. Wow, you're dumb. Thanks for your super chat. They said, even SpongeBob is smarter than Natalie. Bodhi McBoatface, thanks for your super chat. They said, Natalie, I live in New Zealand and absolutely see stars rotate opposite direction to the Northern Hemisphere. Well, in the Northern Hemisphere, they move east to west. And Craig said, in the Southern Hemisphere, they move east to west. So they don't move in opposite directions. You are- They rotate in opposite directions. You absolutely need to consider it. Thank you very much. Next up. Dennis D, thanks for your super chat. Who doesn't even understand rotation, James? It's incredible. He can function as a human. Dennis D, thanks for your super chat. He says, all schools are closed. True. Stringer News 1, thanks for your super chat. They said, Pigeon Chess. Michael Dresden in all caps. Even when it's a super chat. Thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan Thompson destroyed Fight the Flat Earth tonight. I mean, he made me lose a couple of brain cells with his dumb, but he didn't answer a single one of my questions. Therefore, he lost the debate. C4, Nathan doesn't even care anymore. C4, thanks for your super chat. Too dumb to understand. They said, modern day debate, why do you support a liar like Nathan? There are so many amazing people in your chat that deserve your support over Nathan's. I don't understand. There's a lot of people complaining about the fact that he's a moderator. They don't think that someone as detestable as him should be a moderator. Oh yeah. And the fact that he's wearing a building seven shirt is extremely disrespectful and horrible and that kind of behavior should not be supported. Gotcha. Let's see. I haven't examined all of Nathan's personal life. But yeah, I can try to look into more of Nathan's personal life. And in addition to the nude photo he showed us tonight, as much as I can. So, Bodie McBoatface, thanks for your super chat. Says, SpongeBob's life matters, Natalie, you monster. Thank you for that. Eric, Edward, Eric, thanks for your super chat. Said, Nathan, why doesn't perspective make planes disappear behind the horizon or any other objects in the sky? Planes do disappear behind the horizon. What are you talking about, SpongeBob? Oh, they disappear behind the horizon. That means the Earth's a globe. Horizon is not actual. It's a parent and I'm not a parent. A parent means there's a physical of something. I'm not a parent to talk to you anymore. A parent means there's a physical of something, young T-Boy. Thanks for your super chat. The Athens 619 says, constantly saying perspective doesn't help your position. You are also saying parallel lines intersect. Love your Dunning Kruger. Yeah. Hey, James, he is right that all these super chats are for him but it's because more and more people want to see him be stupid. And Flat Earth, thanks for your super chat. They said, to all the zombies who think Natalie is winning, you're worse off than him. Movie theory responds by saying, fight the Flat Earth is getting spanked in all caps. Craig lost. Yeah, total fail. Oh, wait, no, that's in opposite world. Nathan's a moron and couldn't answer a single one of my questions. Stop the spanking. Okay, MacGyver Institute of Ninja Technology. Thank you for your super chat. It's perspective proved it on my channel. Sometimes you gotta spank this fun, Bob, and let him know that it's not real science. Dude, you should really keep your fetishes to yourself. Like, that's not healthy. Thanks. Not healthy. Thank you, Dennis D, for your super chat. They said, why the educated person knows fight the Flat Earth scored victory. The banner. Yeah, James, it's not hard to win a debate against a Flat Earther. You just have to, you know, not be a complete and out of fucking moron. The banner. That's excellent, thanks so much. The banner of Hamuro, that's embarrassing. Says, fight the Flat Earth, continue to push the boulder up the hill on his dead debate, on this dead debate called Flat Earth. Yeah, there is no debate. It's subjectively not flat. The Earth is a globe. We are in space. There is no evidence for the Flat Earth. It's the simple fact. These aren't debates. These are simply me allowing these stupid to parade themselves for everybody to see. And boy, is he fucking stupid. Roxata, thanks for your super chat. Yeah, I just realized, you know it's funny that even though Craig was playing the video, Nathan, when you hold up SpongeBob and like pretend to move it and stuff while Craig is talking, it's kind of the same idea. We've never had, this is the first night where both of you coincidentally brought visual props to hold up while the other person was talking. It's just interesting. So it made it added to the intensity. Movie theory, let's see if we get that one. Roxata, thanks for your super chat. They said, is Nathan even listening or just playing with toys? Movie theory, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan destroyed, fight the Flat Earth. Fight the Flat Earth is ignorant in all caps. Ignorant must not mean what they think it means. Thanks very much. Revet, thanks for your super chat. They said, 7-Eleven, is Nathan Thompson's preferred age range? Okay, gosh, that one snuck through. P Barnes, thanks for your super chat. He's not a pervert. Okay, P Barnes, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan reconsider your use of Kent Hoven's shtick. He understands that the earth is flat. Michael Barrett, thanks for your super chat. They said, super chat equals truth. Kranz, dinners on me, Nathan. I'm confused. Aurora, thanks for your super chat. They said, force of gravity works in X, Y, and Z axis of space. Mass in space like solids and waters are attached, are attracted into a center. Thus, a spherical body is formed. Yeah, pyrostatics actually say that the lowest energy state of water will make it form a sphere. But Nathan wouldn't get it, it's science. Thanks so much, no doubt. Thanks for your super chat. They said, Spongebob forever. Dennis D, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan lost. Only a fool thinks the earth is flat. The Chad, question for Natalie. Can you graph eight inches meters squared? Does the shape of the graph make the same shape of our globe model earth? The eight inches per mile squared is accurate up to 1,000 miles. Nobody's doing 1,000 mile sight distance observations. So, so you- Not accurate at all, it's an approximation. Okay, I'm trying to add 1,000 miles, Craig. How much is it off by? It's an approximation, Nathan. Is it off by even a foot, Craig? Or is it less than a foot? What does the word approximation mean, Nathan? Stop saying it's accurate when it's an approximation. And then stop trying to straw man me. And you answered a question. No, no, because we're not here doing the back and forward. You made that quite fucking clear. All right, what is the next question, James? Gotcha, thanks so much. Next up, appreciate your super chat from J.L. Warrens. It's strange that Nathan would use Hovind's shtick, but Hovind does not believe the earth is flat. Leave, you hear it, James? You hear that? The B word again. But he doesn't believe it's all cult rhetoric because when you are a SpongeBob, you can't talk about science. You have to talk about religion. Yeah, that's all you have. A book says a thing. I haven't said anything about Bible. Am I on my argument? You've said a whole bunch of shit about the Bible. Don't lie. Can you not just stop lying at once? CP, thanks for your super chat. They said, James, if someone just goes over the points of the opponent and not give an answer, be a criminal. Please kick them from debates. I don't know, we're pretty laissez-faire. Love it or hate it, I don't mind. You can throw your poop at me, I don't mind. Next up, J.L. Warren said, when will you admit that you were exposed as a Poe in Dallas, Nathan? Definitely not a Poe, I mean. No, he genuinely is genuinely is actually, but it's true, guys. Another insult from Craig, we're at 20. You actually beat out your interruptions with your insults now because of the question. Oh cool, can I get another one in, you fucking idiot? You just couldn't contain yourself, Craig. No, no, it's hard when you're around someone who harasses children and is constantly wrong about everything they fucking say. Next up, you've got to fly through these things for your super chat. Whits, whits it, gets it. Fight the flat earth, can you attribute a property to a privation? He knows the answer, I will tell him when he gets off his fucking pussy ass and debates me. Pretty frank answer. GS Geology says, SpongeBob equals I don't know from Nathan. Josiah Hansen, thanks for your super chat. They said, when you copy Hoven's dumbest actions, General Balsak, thanks for your super chat. That's the real name. Why have no flat earthers attempted to seek the edge of the earth to prove incontrovertibly that the earth is flat? That's an interesting question, what do you got, Nathan? They think that finding an edge proves it's flat. How funny is that, James? So what proves that the earth is flat is that it is flat, not that it has an edge. That person is scientifically illiterate. Got any measurements of flatness there, Nathan? I'm not talking to you, Craig. No, no, you don't, you don't, do you? I've got measurements of curvature, though. It's funny that there's no measurements of flatness, but I've got measurements of curvature. God, it's hilarious, can we move on? Gotcha, thanks so much very much for your super chat. From CheeseMundo says, thanks, Bob. Stringer news one, thanks for your super chat. Who says, Nathan, who appointed you spokesman for, quote, science? Roxada, thanks for your super chat. They said, why does Nathan have so many kid toys? Aurora, thanks for your super chat. Said, Nathan, conspiratorial thinking can make one delusional. Michael Barrett, thanks for your super chat. He said, SpongeBob, quote, help me. I was just at school. RangerMan9404 says he uses SpongeBob. Let's see, let's see. KayDoc, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan knows science, quote, question mark. He doesn't have scientific paper on his name, nor higher level scientific degree. Any papers on Thompson Ruder science journal? TNA Vesak, thanks for your super chat. They said, for Nathan, does Nathan realize that Kent Hovind, another charlatan, would be embarrassed to see him steal his SpongeBob prop. When a fraud thinks another fraud is ridiculous, does not bode well for you, Nathan. Tinker, Phil, thanks for your super chat. He said, Nathan, why do you think that people who actually make a real variable? I'm just laughing at how many of these angry super chats that are for Nathan, okay. Nathan, why do you think that people who actually make real variable contributions to science not understand science as well as you do? Because I've tested the earth and they're wrong. If you could test it yourself, large quantities of water do not curb, you need to be in a container. And when they're at rest, they are level and horizontal. Cool, got any measurements of flatness? Painter. Thanks for your super chat. Any measurements of flatness? No, didn't think so. Appreciate your super chat from Dennis D, who says, what will Nathan Thompson say about helium balloons or gravity? Magic. You guys assert that gravity pulls all things down. So what would you say about helium balloons? They go up. Okay, what would we say about helium balloons? Well, that's because the air which has more mass is being pulled down with more force, which creates a force in the opposite direction. Buoyancy cannot exist without gravity. The equation for buoyancy is the buoyant force equals rho for density times G for the gravitational acceleration times V. Could you have a balloon with pressure inside without the rubber container, Craig? Probably not, no, but there's a force there. There's a force in the thing that I showed you, an emergent force, just like gravity is an emergent force. I already stated that when you put gas in a vacuum, it moves in all directions. Oh, funny, when I showed you the image of gas in the vacuum, not moving in all directions, that debunked what you said. When you put gas in a vacuum, it doesn't go down, it goes in. Got to move fast, got to move fast, Craig. Next, not moving in all directions. AJ, Raven, Wolf, thanks for your super chat. Who said, Nathan, you're delusional. Some of these are just the most explicit insults. Sear. I mean, they're right. Sear, thanks for your super chat. Who said, how many lies will Nathan tell? He knows exactly who astronomy live is. Like astronomy live, yes. Astronomy live is the other person that destroys J.M. with his footage. And boy, Nathan, do I have a story about all that. Breaton, Bol, thanks for your super chat. They said, can Nathan explain what the inertial frame of reference is? Yeah, it's stationary. That's why the atmosphere doesn't move separately from the Earth. No, no, no, no. What is the inertial frame of reference? No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking with you. It didn't answer, just so you know. Go ahead and let's see. Whitsit gets it. Thanks for your super chat. Who said, quite the tight shirt just begs the question. I don't get it. Quite the tight shirt. He's changed it from fight the tight shirt. I mean, fight the tight shirt is probably one of the cleverest things I've heard a flatter of her say. And I think it's fucking awesome. I am fight the tight shirt. Gotcha. Thanks for that. Ranger man 9404, thanks for your super chat. They said, how can I not touch my face and yet face palm? Eric Veer, Thaler 92, question for Nathan and fight the flat Earth. What would change your mind? We'll give you each 30 seconds. OK, what would change my mind is some evidence of a flat Earth. Simple. There isn't any evidence that the Earth is flat. There's no measurements of flatness. There is no scientific experiment that can demonstrate that the Earth is not moving. Every time you try to measure movement, you get movement. There is no evidence. The only thing that would change my mind is if there was any evidence, but there isn't. Gotcha. Thank you very much. And next up, or Nathan, if you want to respond, we'll give you 30 seconds. Yeah, sure. He asked what would change my mind. I already have changed my mind. I used to be a glover and now I'm a flat Earther. It's a progression. You'll figure it out. Gotcha. We did the question again. See. Tremera B, thanks for your super chat. Who says Nathan Thompson on the internet, you can be anything you want. Why do you choose to be stupid? I didn't choose flat Earth. Flat Earth chose me. Thank you very much. Thank you. You could choose a stupid thing. Thomas B, thanks for your super chat. They said, fight the flat Earth. Can you show evidence of abuse in Nathan's research group? Can I show evidence of abuse in Nathan's research group? Yeah, I don't know. I didn't say there was any abuse in Nathan's research group, but that's a massive echo chamber, not a research group that doesn't like questions. And ban you when you start asking questions about gravity. Can I respond to that? What do you got, Nathan? Yeah, he says it's an echo chamber. Well, you're right, Craig, because all you do is interrupt people and insult them. That sounds like a massive echo chamber. I don't think you know what an echo chamber is. Wow. Oh my god. Like, how do you not swallow your tongue at night? Another inch. Oh, I couldn't think of so much. No, it was a question. I am genuinely concerned for your safety when you go outside without a helmet. Next up, thanks for your super chat. We have Amari Kitadokoro. Thanks for your super chat. They said question for Nathan. We read your flyer. Where did you get the Photoshop photo of Buzz Aldrin that is printed on your flyer? I don't know what you're talking about, Photoshop picture of Buzz Aldrin that you. We see. Water is a natural level, airplane level, flight, science says it's stationary. Or is Ryzen's always at level? We see too far. I don't see Buzz on here, but if you want to email me at FlatEarthFlyers at gmail.com, I just try to focus on the science. Hey, Nathan, why does your flyer contain outright lies that you know about? Next up, let's see. Ruckstada, thanks for your super chat. They said question for Nathan. Why do you have kids toys? This is IQ level. I'm a Toys R Us kid. I don't want to grow up. Appreciate that. Matt, Matt, thanks for your super chat. He said, hey, Craig, how do you like your new two toy? Oh, it's fun. Although this is the last time I interact with him, because this debate was literally so that I could parade his stupidity to the world. And I've done a pretty good job of that. He said some horrifically stupid things in this debate. So from now on, I'm not going to speak to the child harassing piece of crap. I am instead just going to make lots of videos pointing out his stupid and any time he flacks-macks someone, I will send them this debate. Gotcha. Nice. Gosh. Do we? Let's see. Give me one second. I lost my spot. That's funny. I think we got that one. Got that one. Almost there. Matt, Matt's. Oh, we got that one. Josh Griffin, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, I'd like to get an answer to the question, Fight Flat Earth, asked before the Q&A started specifically about the ring laser gyroscope, if I'm saying that right. Gyroscope. Yes, light moves on a flat Earth. We observe light move. Anyone who thinks the ring laser gyroscope proves that the Earth moves is scientifically illiterate. Thanks for that. Well, the Cygnac effect actually completely disagrees with you. Dominic Dynes-Thuber, thanks for your super chat. He said, for Nathan, why are you parroting Kent Hovind? Because he's a moron. It's all right to be a copycat, as long as you copy the right cat. Next up, MacGyver Institute of Ninja Technology. Thanks for your super chat. They said, Fight the Flat Earth says, say, quote, further without saying fervor. No, I've got an accent. Deal with it. I was raised in Bristol, which is literally the bumpkin country of England. I can't help the fact that I sound like a farmer. Get off my land, right? Next up, Xantar2482 says, Nathan, how was your relationship with your father? I don't know what that means. Excellent. My parents call me all the time and support my activism, and they think it's great what I'm doing. I've been full-time flatter for almost two years now. Praise God. Gotcha. Thanks very much. Willie Merck, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, set up a GoFundMe to Antarctica. I will donate. That's cool. I have. It's paypal.me forward slash keep it flat. Next up. Send me all your money. Flat Earth data. So share your pain, Craig. Welcome to Flat Earth. Oh, Flat Earth data. This is the coward that said he was going to debate me, and then ran away. Doesn't understand what a pendulous vein is, and doesn't understand the fallacy of begging the question. Trem. So yeah. Hey, Flat Earth data, if you don't want to debate me on my channel, James is always willing to host a good debate. But we all know that you're a little bitch, so it's cool. Tremira B, thanks for your super chat. They said COVID-19 victims aren't increasing in numbers. Why is Nathan's IQ level dropping? More insults. That's kind of garbage. Next up. No, no, they're asking a question. It seems like you're getting dumber. Why is that? GS Geology asks, as a geologist, I can say you were unworthy to invoke the USGS. We all use a globe Earth base for our maps. Look up a geoid. Zachary Morris, thanks for your super chat. Nathan Thompson stole the entire SpongeBob bit from Kent Holvend. True that. Razart9, flat-tard tear drinker, thanks for your super chat. They said, I was not talking about your Facebook group. Why do you remove people who disagree with you on your channel even when they're nice, pioneer of truth, LOL? I don't remove nice people. If someone's not a troll, I'll give you all the time in the world. Got you. I have evidence that says otherwise. Ranger Man 9404, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan gives Flurf cooties. Steven Walker, thanks for your super chat. They said, why can we see satellites with the naked eye if they're just cartoons? Nathan? Was that a question? Yes, they said, why can't we see satellites with the naked eye if they're just cartoons? Yeah, because satellites aren't real. That's why you can't. Well, is he saying we can see them with the naked eye? Well, then he's assuming that a light in the sky is a satellite. And that's not the case. Sorry, you could be seeing a high altitude military airplane. You could just be seeing a commercial jet flight. You don't know that's going over your head. There's a lot of things that could be good, but to assume that metal boxes fall in a circle around a pair of Earth is SpongeBob imagination. It's not reality. We know it's science. When it goes down, it does not fall in a circle. Nathan, what happens if you throw a ball to your right? Does it fall straight down or does it fall in an arc? Next up. You don't know the answer. Next up, thanks for your super chat from our dear friend, Helios575, who asked, Nathan, how much would you feel on a merry-go-round doing one rotation every 24 hours? Yeah, of course. But you're not on a merry-go-round. You're on a ball 24,901 miles around. My argument is not that we can't feel it, which we don't. Only people who think Earth move are drunk, but we can't measure it either. The only thing moving is the lights in the sky. The wheel in the sky keeps on turning. We all live in the Yellow Submarine. You live in a 150 per hour drift. Pineapple under the sea. The most popular dome in the world is the dome of the rock, and it's gold, because we live in a pineapple under the sea. Steve. Yep, go ahead. Thanks for your super chat, Steve. Wow, you're dumb. Helios5758 says, Nathan, fight the flat Earth. I don't get it. Northern Shire thinks you're super chat. They said, Nathan, I can see Saturn with my P900. It's round. Yeah, that's great. And so are pizzas, and coins, and Frisbees. They're also round. You need to learn shapes. You are geometrically illiterate. Hey, Nathan, what's one you fit in geometry? Yeah, this is round globe head. Hey, Nathan, what's one you fit in geometry? Ranger man, just because we have to keep moving. Let's see, that Rosenberg, thanks for your super chat. They said, what is the material reason for people to shroud that the world is flat? It seems like it would be insanely expensive to obscure this. Cue the Hyde God nonsense. Well, of course, if the devil can convince you that Genesis is not real, then you won't read Genesis 2, or Lamentations, or Obadiah, or Matthew, or Luke, or John. You're going to think it's all fairy tale nonsense, and that is God's word. So if they can convince you God's word is not true, well, you'll believe the word of man instead. So when man tells you, we went to heaven in a rocket, you're going to go, oh my gosh, take my money. That's such a beautiful story. Gotcha, thanks very much. Appreciate that. Super chat from Astronomy Live says, thanks for that. By the way, they said, I've taken real photos of satellites in space, including GPS. I've even measured their altitude and velocity. No, you can't count that high. Can you explain, Nathan? So this guy has real pictures of satellites in space, and I can't find any of them on Google. Yeah, he sends quite a lot, actually. Hey, Astronomy Live sent me one of the pictures right now, and I'll put it up for Nathan to see. Next up, Area 85 Restorations, thanks for your super chat. They said, I'm an engineer working for Blue Origin. Can Nathan explain how I am being quote, how I am quote, being fooled, or am I part of the conspiracy, Nathan? Sorry, was that a question? Yes. Sorry, there's an engineer from Blue Origin. I'm talking about all night. I just had to take care of my dog there for a second. There's an engineer from Blue Origin, and he wants to know how he is being fooled. Yeah, it's because you're gullible. Go out, test Earth yourself. You realize it's flat and stationary. So the literal rocket engineer is the gullible one. You've got to go. Flurfs are idiots. Thanks for your super chat. They said, hey, Nathan, how many lead paint chips do you consume on a daily basis? I don't need lead paint chance. I'm plant-based. I've been eating vegan for five years. Yeah, but you were fed lead paint as a child, right? Thank you very much. Eric Veerthaler, we got that question already about R&R. Willie Merck, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan Thompson, a U2, would have to be the size of a 747 with massive antennas to transmit anything from 90,000 feet in the air. Let's debate that I would be able to. Do you know what this globe head's saying, James? He's saying, well, they would have to have a massive antenna from 90,000 feet in the air. So what they do is they send satellites in space. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Hey, Nathan, why do planes have their GPS receivers on the top? It's much more. Let me hear, bro. If it's too hard, if it's too hard to do from 90,000 feet, then they're not doing it from space, globe head. Nathan, why do planes have GPS receivers on the top? Elka, you don't know, cool. Balen69, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, explain how we, as three-dimensional beings, exist on a two-dimensional flat earth plate. Earth is not two-dimensional. That's a stupid question. Next. Area 85 Restorations, thanks for your super chat. They said, even Kent thinks flat earthers are morons. Why is Nathan idolizing him? Who cares? It's an argument from popularity. Oh, this person thinks I'm right. So let me ask Nathan about it. Wow, you are scientific. Jay, thanks for your super chat. They said, rainbows are the same arch, no matter the perspective, but a mirror is needed indoors to create the same effect. What is the mirror outside creating a consistent arch? Or why is the mirror outside creating a consistent arch that isn't present indoors? Nathan. That was for me? Yes. Pay attention. The lessons are so boring. So you want to know about an arch indoors? What does that have to do with the shape of the earth? What was it, James? So they said, rainbows are the same arch, no matter the perspective, but a mirror is needed indoors to create the same effect. What is the mirror outside creating a consistent arch that isn't present indoors? Okay, so a rainbow is happening because we live under a dome. That's why it's a dome shape. What the fuck? Did you just say that? Like, you realize you're live to like 1,000 people and you just said that. Another interruption from Craig. No, I was just asking this serious question. You realize that we're still live. And you're saying this stupid thing. Someone just super chatted a question. I was giving an answer to Craig. Yeah, man, I have to even explain the jokes. Been going three hours. We've got to move fast. Josh Griffin, thanks for your super chat. They said, Craig, what was the funniest thing Nathan said tonight? There you go, a question for Craig. Oh my God, what's the funniest thing Nathan said tonight? There's so much to choose from, but what he just said then was pretty dumb. Trust me, there's gonna, I might actually do the top 10 dumbest things that Nathan said in this debate video. It's gonna be hard because, wow, there was a lot. Jack, hello, Perdmaster. Thanks for your super chat. They said Nathan's too dense to know how badly he lost. Eric Veerthaller92 says, question for both. What would, we already got that one. What would change your minds? Steve1758 says, for both, the X-15 in 1963 set the altitude record at 67 miles. True or false? Explain. I don't know, I wasn't there. Cool story, bro. You can answer two if you'd like, Craig. I'm just gonna shake my head. I think that's all the answer needed. It's unbearable and repeatable. So when you tell a story. Party with a cracker. Party with a cracker. Phillip, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, are we ever going to see a real picture of the flat earth from space? Space is fake, so no, you're never gonna see any real pictures from space. That's why a few Google satellites in space are the pictures of the South Pole from space or pictures of the solar system from space. They are all cartoons like SpongeBob who lives in a pineapple under the sea. Gotcha, thanks for that. Nathan. Here's a picture of a satellite in space taken by Astronomy Live. Next up, appreciate your super chat from dearest friend, Northern Shire, who says, Craig, do you believe building seven collapsed from fire? I am not going to dignify that completely disrespectful question with an answer. Gotcha, point and laugh. Thanks for your super chat. They said, Craig, please tell us all the funny things Nathan said. You can say one, because we've got to keep moving. What he thinks the second law of thermodynamics is about gas. That was pretty funny. Traveler X, thanks for your super chat. They said, congrats, Nathan. Someone spelled science correctly for you. Now learn what it is. Alan H, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, if planes don't run on fuel, why do they burn on crashes? Well, anything will burn. That doesn't mean it's made of fuel. And also, if you look up crashes, it's not exploding. Like you would think it would. It's not giant gasoline explosions. And they just simply don't have the volume or the structural integrity to hold 100,000 pounds of gasoline in each wing. Also, refueling times are 10 to 15 minutes. Lots of planes. Another interruption. Thank you so much, Craig. I was waiting for that. Cool. Can you actually count this side? This is impressive. Next up, mouth breather. Thanks for your super chat. They said, a Carnot engine does not relate to planes or cars. Please don't avoid the question. Please explain what a Carnot engine is or admit you don't understand the law of entropy. I don't know what a Carnot engine is. I don't know what entropy is. Next. Slee, thanks for your super chat. They said, I own a jet engine. Please tell me why I have to keep putting fuel into it when I run it. Yeah, okay. I've seen videos of people cutting the fuel line to jet engines and they still run. So these people are funny, dude. It's like they're so ignorant and so scientifically illiterate. They just talk out of their rear end. Cool. You know, I worked with like air technicians in the Royal Navy and like, wow, they must have all been in on the conspiracy. Are you from the valley? I've worked with like air people and like, they like said, we like to go out for cosmopolitan and like. Yeah, you know, cause engineering is a thing and it all disagrees with what you say. Craig, you sound like a violin. Because everything you say is wrong. It's the match. Seven, Steve, seven. Good job, you're a window liquor. Says, does Nathan believe in QAnon and QA non? I'm just gonna stop you there, James. I don't have beliefs. I'm here to talk about observable. No, no, you have beliefs. So everything you say is a belief. Next up. Nether interruption. Thank you so much. Yeah, cool. Keep counting. I'm trying. Mr. Unite for the children set. I wanna go for a record. Sorry, James. Hey, James, if I'm gonna sit here and answer questions for you, bro, I would ask you to ask him not to interrupt me every time. Oh, shut up, you little pussy. Extremely old and irritating, okay? Yep, so as you're talking about, so it's still not SpongeBob. It is true, like to be fair, most of these Super Chats are aimed at Nathan. So to be fair, if you want a fair debate, if you want to win fair and square, then we, you know. James, there is no debate. We all know this. I can't let, I can't let him just... Why are you here, dumbass? To parade your stupidity to the world. And I've done a perfect job of it. You're projecting. Globe Samurai, thanks for your Super Chat. Nathan, are you proud of yourself? Yeah, for sure. As long as my parents think what I'm doing is cool and I think God's happy with me, I'm fine with that. Gotcha, next up. J.L. Warren, thanks for your Super Chat. They said, when will you admit that you were exposed as a Poe in Dallas? I was never exposed as a Poe in Dallas. There's no idea where you're talking about. Next up, Ot Kaji, thanks for your Super Chat. They said, Nathan, are you doing a runner? Are you moving to avoid law enforcement? I got a disorderly conduct charge. These guys are acting like I wanted for murder and I come on live debates on YouTube. Oh, my God. You guys are retarded. J.R. Just make sure you stream your court date, will you? Absolutely morons, dude. J.R. has infected your brain and now you're like... Nathan, Nathan. Nathan, you sound like you had a brain injury. Nathan has brain injury. Nathan, you sound like you have an actual brain injury. I got it, I got it, I got it. J.R. thinks you're a Super Chat. They said, right? You sound like you are actually retarded. Seriously. J.R. thinks you're a Super Chat. He said, fight the flat earth, explain a cell in Neal Leon, lunar eclipse at day. Explain a Snellian lunar eclipse at day called the heliocentric model explains it. What do they want to know? There is points where the angle of the moon and the earth are incident when it's daylight. It's simple on the heliocentric model. The moon rotates around the earth once every month and at certain points, the ecliptic plane matches up in such a way that you can have that lunar eclipse in the day. It's part of our heliocentric model and is explained perfectly by orbital mechanics. Gotcha, thanks for that. Next up, appreciate your Super Chat from O.Ellum. They say, show us your map. Don't be afraid. Yeah, I'm happy you asked. I was waiting for that. The sky is a map and a clock. It's been the same forever. No, it hasn't. The relations. It changed. USGS uses flat earth maps. It's not calculated distances outward from the north pole. And also Craig. Yeah, Craig. Oh, we've got you there. If it's going to be fair, Craig. Wildish, immature, five-a-be loser. Come on, James. I can't let him just say the wrong stuff all the time. I can't be fair. Nathan. Look at you. You're such a loser, bro. You're going to be fair. What's that? A shower head? You can't even pull yourself in. Yeah, I mean, everything you say, Nathan, is wrong. Everything you say is wrong. Everything, everything you say is wrong. It's zombie brothing at the mouth. Nathan, quiet. Nathan, everything you say is wrong. Everything you say is wrong. Craig, we know. You're so triggered. You're so triggered. Look at you. We know you disagree with me. That doesn't give you the right to be the wrong person. No, you lost any rights when you started harassing children. You don't get respect to piece of shit. You don't get respect to be the wrong person. We have to get back to you. How triggered are you, Nathan? How triggered? Get to the actual debate. So if there's going to be a fair debate, like, Craig, it is true that you have repetitively, like, Darth Dawkins level cut off Nathan Thompson. So we have to get back to you. James, it's all he deserves, though. But the debate's over, isn't it? We've done the debate. It's just the superchats where he ends up being stupid. Thanks for your super chat. O'Allam says, show us your map. James, people are so triggered. So closely in that. Riggered. O'Allam, thank you for your super chat. That was connected from reality, guys. So triggered, Nathan. Oh, look here. Just connected from reality. Nice, please take screenshots and make memes, send the memes to my Discord. When someone else is talking, you should let them finish, otherwise you're interrupting them. And Craig has done it over 20 times during the debate. Yeah, I have. And insulted me four times. I have. You're right. And you deserve nothing less. Just know, guys, if you subscribe to the anti-flatter cartoon globe-loving cult. Oh, my God. Does his mouth never stop moving? It's hilarious. Insults and interaction. This is what you guys have to look forward to. You might need to mute him because he seems to be going on a run now. Are you going to tuck yourself out there, little boy? You can be just like Craig, a little childish, giggling schoolgirl. Oh, my goodness. I've never met such a triggered little snowflake in all my life. You're the one you're projecting, Craig. Oh, look at you. Are you going to start crying, Nathan? Are you going to start crying next? Are you going to start crying next? Are you? Or Craig is so. Are you going to start crying? Look, more people are going to be on Craig's computer. Because Craig loves me. He's obsessed with Nathan Thompson. I can see the tears in your eyes, Nathan. I can see the tears. I love Nathan Thompson because he loves me. Thanks, Craig. I can see the tears. And support from NASA fanboys. Oh, that's beautiful. Sorry, James. I seem to have broken Nathan. I do apologize. We are going to be broken Nathan. I broke you down. I broke you two hours ago. Look at you trigger it with snowflake. Calling me names, loser. Oh, my goodness. We're broken all the time. James, this is pure gold. You realize this is gold, right? We've got to keep going, you guys. OK. Oh, Alam, thanks for your super chat. It said, show us your map. Don't be afraid. Sky's the map on a clock. Next question. Brian Brocaw, thanks for your super chat. He said, Nathan, I can see other planets with my telescope from a high elevation. Why can't I see New York from Texas? When he says other planet, he assumes that the Earth is a planet. Earth is not a planet. Planet means wandering star. And you can't see as far horizontally as you can see vertically because of the laws of perspective, the ground is rising to eye level. Now, when you look up, there are no lines of convergence from the ground rising to eye level, because you're looking up. Gotcha. Thank you. Next up, Jack of Trades. Thanks for your super chat. Said, Nathan, I find your sincerity hard to deny. Maybe physics isn't for you. And you should try telling people about how great God is or something instead and focus on that, huh? I do that, too. Phillip, thanks for your super chat. They said, what would it take for each of you to be convinced of the other person's position? Evidence. So I said that before, but there isn't any flatter of evidence. All there is is flatter for is not understanding science. Nathan? Yeah, it's observation. Then I caught this, this experiment. Oh, that was cracker? Next up. Another interruption from Craig. Thank you so much. That was a parrot. Sorry. Come on. Text, drink water. Thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan's brain is about as big as his SpongeBob toy. Girl, that's another insult. James, can we just do the science questions? Bro, I thought we were in a rush. Gotcha. Let me try to sift through here. I mean, I just love the insults from Craig, bro. I don't need to hear them from you, too. Rock three. Well, what are your thoughts on there only being a handful at most around five? Church fathers that believed the earth was flat. Most believed a globe, Nathan. Nathan, they all believe. And I believe it's a globe. I believe it's flat. Leap, leap, leap, leap, leap, leap, leap, leap, leap. Thank you, Dave. Thank you very much. David Shipley, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, how do globe earthers believe gravity works? Wait for answer. Fight the flat earth. How does science actually explain gravity? How does science explain gravity? So gravity is the phenomenon of mass attracting mass, which is caused by an emergent force, which is a consequence of the curvature of spacetime due to the uneven distribution of mass. There is plenty of experiments that actually are experimental evidence of special and general relativity. So it's quite well understood what the effects of gravity are. Mass attracted mass. I would be more attracted to fat chicks, but I'm not because it doesn't happen. Next up, thank you for that. More done stuff. Wow. Next up, Keith Milner, thanks for your super chat. They said, where is the viewer height in the 8 inch per mile approximation formula that flurvers use? Why don't they use the accurate formula? It's not difficult. No, I'm so happy he brought that up because that is the formula at sea level or at the surface of the globe. Now if you incorporate height, for example, the black swan from one foot up shows a horizon well beyond 10 miles in the distance and the horizon should be at two to three miles. So sorry that the Earth's not a globe and the horizon does not bend downward because of convexity over large bodies of water, but it's flat and stationary and that's a fact. Cheers. There wasn't a single fact in what you just said. Refraction doesn't work the way you think it does. On the screen now is the difference between the eight inches per mile squared and the actual curvature. You say my group's an echo chamber and you say the exact same thing after every single time I say something. You say, that's all wrong. You didn't say anything that is true there. None of that is true. That's because everything you say is wrong. Nathan, Nathan, everything you say is wrong. Every single word that comes out of your mouth is factually incorrect. Every single thing. 9404, thanks for your super tip. They said, Nathan, don't quit your day job for a singing career. I don't have a good job. My job is to flatter it, so. Appreciate it. Akkajai, thanks for your super chat. They said, Craig. I got the answers, ladies and gentlemen. I got the answer. No, you don't. You're not singing evidence. You don't have singing evidence. Akkajai, Akkajai, thanks for your super chat. They said, Craig, Nathan was my D-F-O-T-Y vote. Go to work now. Will you vote? Yeah, no, Nathan is actually my official nomination. So you said I never won anything in my life, Craig. You were wrong. No, thank you for having me. You didn't win, you didn't win dumbfuck of the year. Really? Even Warrior won it last year. You're in with a chance this year. You're probably going to win dumbfuck of the year this year. Definitely. You won the debate, guys. Craig said I never win anything, but now I won something. So you are. Nathan, you haven't won anything. You've got a nomination. Willie Merck, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nate, the power supply and transmitter on a U2 would have to be massive, man. Let's debate. The plane is too small to have that much avionics loaded. James, do you hear what they're saying? You can't sing the cyndal from a plane. It has to be coming from cartoon space 250 miles away from the Earth's surface. It can't be 90,000 feet. It has to be 250 miles away in space. Next up, Dennis D, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan's dog took a big crap inside his head. Area 85 restorations. I'm sorry, Nathan. Come on, please, Nathan. It's just. I'm not a patron anymore, James. We're not friends. Nathan, Dennis D says area 85 restorations, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan is the big expert on jet engines. Can you explain the basic principle of how one works? Yeah, of course. The jet engine creates a vacuum in front of it, and the vortex is self-perpetuating. Thank you. What the fuck did you just say? Next up, next up. Show your sources, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, they have chased people over little things like parking tickets. Gotcha. Traveler X, thanks for your super chat. They said, Craig, how far will Polaris have progressed by the time Natalie is released from the room he's in right now? Very, very little, fairly perceptible. But the procession's there. That's why in 13,000 years time we'll have a different North Star. Next up, Steven1758, thanks for your super chat. They said, OK, try it this way. Is Nathan a member of Q? Definitely not. Red Cosmos Devil, thanks for your super chat. They said, Natalie, you have a very punchable face. Wardrobe. War-coded 01, thanks for your super chat. They said, Nathan, do you know the difference between a sharp and shallow turn when you drive a car? Nathan? You can't be serious, James. Gotcha. Dave Gar, thanks for your super chat. Dave Gar, for both, would observations of the Martian polar ice caps be proof of a large body of water adhering in a curve to a sphere? No, you need to measure curvature of Earth, not the fact that ice caps exist. I mean, you could have walls of ice on a flat Earth or a tilted cartoon spinning Spongebob globe. You want to see curvature of Earth, because I've got measurements. How high was that dog cam? Have you figured that out yet? That was about 110,000 feet. Excellent. Well, Neil deGrasse Tyson says, Earth's flat from 100. Cool, I'm not Neil deGrasse Tyson, am I? I've never been a rocket, Craig. Thanks so much. So wait, James. You bring up other people, I'm going to say. I'm not Neil deGrasse Tyson. Next up, thanks for your super chat from Michael Barrett, who says, James, are you questioning your life choices? It's been a funny one tonight, that's for sure. Red Cosmos Devil, thanks for your super chat. They said, Natalie, can you explain focalt's pendulum? Yeah, of course, Earth doesn't rotate under anything. Look at anything hanging in nature, and it's not swinging. And there's not a drift involved. So a lot of times I go to museums and the cult's not working. They have to be started. That's not an observation. That's a man-made apparatus. And if you think a man-made apparatus is science, well, you probably think you live in a science apparatus. It doesn't think my made apparatus is a science. Fuck me. Next up, thanks so much for being here, everybody. It's been a wild one. It's been crazy tonight. We appreciate you spending your time with us. I've heard the word on the streets is that there is an after show over at Team Skeptics channel, Nathan's twin brother. That should be a lot of fun. I love you guys. So I want to let you know that's going on. If they send me the link, I will put it in the description. And if there's any other, if the other, my guess is that's going to be a primarily globe person demographic at that after show. If any flat Earthers want to host an after show, let me know. Thanks so much for being here, folks. It is honestly so fun. You can tell that I'm honestly like on the verge of death. I've never been so tired of my life. So I want to say reminder that both of our speakers, I've put both of their links in the description so that you at your convenience, if you're listening today and you're like, boy, do I want to get more of that. Well, you can. Their links are chilling out in the description as I left them there just for you. And I want to say, oh, Wotan returns next Friday. He will be debating Planner Walk. That should be a lot of fun. Why would you do that to Planner Walk? That's just me. We're going to have a lot of fun ones coming up, folks, including we actually have Nathan's twin brother, the plain truth will be coming back on tomorrow against Pleasant Connor. So that should be a lot of fun. That's going to be a wild one. We should hopefully have an intelligent design debate this Sunday, a lot more stuff coming up. And so whether you be Christian atheist, flat Earth, globe Earth, Republican Democrat, you name it, we hope you feel welcome here. And so thanks for hanging out with us and gentlemen, can't thank you enough. You guys have been quite the show tonight. Thank you very much, Nathan and Craig. What's about the closing thoughts from Craig and me real quick. Who wants to go first? Go ahead, Craig. No, I went first with the evidence. You went first with closing first. Yeah, the most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think for himself without regard to prevailing superstitions and taboos. So if you know that the Earth is flat, you are deadly dangerous because you're the type of person who's broken free from this conditioning and you don't buy everything hook, line, and sinker that the government tells you through their fake news media outlets or public indoctrination camps, the truth's incontrovertible. Malice will attack it over and over and over again and continue to interrupt and insult it. But ignorance will try to deride it. In the end, there it is. So thank you very much for having me, James. Guys, subscribe to the show. I'm personally a patron of modern day debate. I really love the channel. I like how kind of laissez-faire you are with the debates. It's not too strict and regimented. So thanks so much for having me. It's been fun. Craig, I appreciate you. The tally was insulting me 24 times and you interrupted me 25 times. Well, here you go. You're a fucking idiot. I had two more. Now you're breaking even with the insults and interruptions. Oh, damn. I want to go for more. Wait, you're definitely immoral. You have an IQ of a rock and you look like a moron. How is that? Excellent. Well, let me wrap it up real quick, Craig. So it's pretty sad when you come to a debate and your goal is to insult and interrupt people. This is called Modern Day. Are you going to stop talking at any time? It's called Modern Day Debate, Craig. So if you didn't think this was a debate, Craig, this just shows. There is no debate. There is no debate. Are you going to shut up at any point? You think you live on a spinning ball and you join a channel called Modern Day Debate? Are you going to stop talking or are you just going to keep going? This isn't a debate. The channel is called Modern Day Debate, Craig. So this was most certain. There is no debate. We're going to ask a couple of quick superchats that came in the last second before we go over to Craig's closing. So quick, Josh Griffin, thanks for your superchat. They said, can you both debaters give their definition of an echo chamber? Yeah. Somewhere that, well, let's talk about Nathan's group, for instance. The reason I got booted from Nathan's group was for asking questions about gravity. That is an echo chamber. Gotcha, Nathan. Well, we don't boot people for asking questions. We boot people. I've got screenshots to prove it. Insults, OK? Breaking the rules could be a lying or not providing scientific evidence for your claims, like gravity is mass attracting mass, blah, blah, blah. So anything you don't think is science. Got it, echo chamber. Large objects don't appear to have a magnetic-like attraction, Craig. So you have a magnetic-like attraction. SpongeBob, I know I said a magnetic-like attraction. It's nothing like magnetic. You have to go to the next question. Mass attract mass. So Nathan, we need to be making the answer from you on what an echo chamber is. Yeah, it's when you let SpongeBob ask the same questions over and over again. Willie Merck, thanks for your superchat. They said, Nate, I am not claiming satellites. Use the A-W-A-C-S. All right, I'm not claiming satellites here, I think, perfect. Cool, we're on the same page. Next. Work order 01, thanks for your superchat. They said, you're not Neo, Nathan. I never thought I was. I'm Nathan, not Neo. Next up, we'll let Craig have his closing statement, and then we'll wrap up. Cool. Yeah, there is no debate about the Flatterer at all. There is no evidence that the Earth is flat. There simply is the objective fact that the Earth is a globe, and it rotates. All evidence shows that to be the fact. There is no debate. The reason I came here is simply to parade Nathan's stupidity to the world, to a large audience. And James nicely let me do that. So whenever Nathan attempts to flat smack anyone from now on, I will just refer them to this debate where he said some monumentally moronic things. The Earth isn't flat. All flat surfers are fucking idiots, like the Flat Earth. Gotcha. Thank you very much, gentlemen. I want to say thanks, folks, for hanging out with us. It's always a blast. We really appreciate it. I want to say it's always a pleasure. I honestly am just such in a great mood. I love being here, and so you guys make it fun. I want to say thanks so much for all the love and encouragement. It means a lot. And so even if you're a critic, I want to let you know sometimes I ignore you. Sometimes I even tell you that you're wrong and to shut up. But I want to let you know we do appreciate you being here. It's good for us to get that feedback. That's why I may tell you once in a while I get a little snippy and I say shut up. But we will never block somebody or delete them or something if you're a critic of modern day debate. So let me know. If anybody does that, let me know because the moderators shouldn't do that. I don't think they ever have. So I want to say thanks so much for being here, folks. We hope you have a great rest of your night. Keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable.