 Well these days, actually increasingly, I find students want experiences in college that they think can be applicable after they graduate. They want real life experiences. And I find that trying to integrate things that they interpret as real life experience in both the lower division and upper division classes, they appreciate. And they really seem to gain a lot from those types of assignments. So for example, in the lower division class, my surveys, my big surveys with 130-plus students, having a chance to role play, for example, in an online discussion with their classmates facilitated by a writing center assistant, role play being a museum curator, for example, is useful for them to think about, perhaps, these are GUR classes, general education requirements, so I could have engineering students in their computer science majors, math majors, who know the direction in which they're going, but I also have students, freshmen, sophomores, who haven't decided what they want to do in their lives. So here they have an experience to think about and play with the idea of becoming a museum curator and imagining what kinds of things one might do as a museum curator. And so that's one way in which I think it could be useful for them to get a nice idea of real life experience. Also just being out in the world and getting an idea, even if they aren't going to go on to be museum curators, getting an idea of how a museum operates. So the next time they might go to a museum, I think their experiences could be enriched by having an idea of what's going on behind the scenes. In the upper division classes, especially with graduating seniors, I have a lot of my upper division classes are full of studio, design, art history majors who are planning to work in the field. So having an opportunity to, for example, actually set up an exhibition and work on an exhibition from the very first day when they're thinking about the theme of the exhibition to choosing the objects that will go into the exhibition, doing the research on the objects, on the artists, thinking about how they're going to present these artists and these works to the public, and then even going into lighting in the exhibition and how the space is going to be arranged, what color the walls are going to be, thinking about how people are going to feed through the exhibition is very useful for them. It makes a career in the arts tangible for them.