 It is Dave Barrington Hello to hear what's going on in Burlington. Thank you Dave. Hey everybody. Oh, I don't usually need a microphone. I speak pretty loud Should I should I try to use this though? Okay, how's that that better? Okay? I see a lot of friendly faces here actually it's like mr. Mr. Hillman here from a work partner at UVM hospital for both the 30 years See the very keonies coach gone. This is the city. I got my aunt over here Jackie Lou Ann buddy Tim, so it's good to see some friendly faces. I don't usually see too many friendly faces at presentations on city place Usually some protesters involved but Yeah, so Linda had reached out I think it was in the spring asking if I'd be interested in in giving a An update on what's happening and I'm always happy to talk about it because I'm very excited about it very proud of it and this it's kind of this building's taken a life of its own and it's real real special to me and Happy to be able to work on it and share details about it So she Linda said we need to title this thing something and I forget what what the EE had called it But I just I'm calling it city place Burlington. What's up? So it's got a the whole project's got a really long history I Have not been involved for the entire History of it, but I was always a supporter of it coming from Burlington growing up here living here Choosing to stay here and and have business and family and all that so Somewhere along the line, and I think you you probably got me in trouble with this Dave the hospital had agreed to rent a bunch of space from the developer and the developer was Don Cinex and Brookfield properties or Rouse properties at the time and I was doing a bunch of estimating for the hospital They were they've worked in the planning department at the real-estate department for The hospital and I was doing estimating on them moving in and we're working out different floor plans and stuff and Had an opportunity to meet Mr. Cinex and some of the folks from Brookfield and we're having pretty regular meetings and Had a good rapport working with them and then at one point Cinex had Taken somebody's advice for once and said You know the somebody said you ought to get some local people involved it'll help Your image a little bit and and maybe move things a little smoother somebody that they might know the mayor or city council and Not wear a suit every day so He actually he took somebody's advice he came to myself and my two partners Scott Ireland every seen the yellow trucks around town with the shamrock's on them and omega electric is al-senical and They were each working on the project already through the demolition and the renovation of the mall piece that was getting removed and cut back and So yes, you guys be interested in and being Investors I'm not gonna let you make any decisions, but I'll take your money and well It wasn't that bad, but That's how it ended up And so we jumped right in we were happy we thought this is gonna be great We're gonna build a building and then a year went by and another year went by and nothing was happening and we we finally Kind of had a little intervention with them and we just said you know We got in this thing to build it We got in this thing from Burlington to make it better and it just doesn't seem like you want to move this along at all and he said well, I have a plan I have a plan and We said well, we have a plan. We'd like to buy you out So over the next year we worked on that deal Brookfield was leaving So we it was advantageous that we purchased Brookfield's shares And then we became 5050 partners with Don and then when he still had some reluctance to start And we are all interested in getting started because there is a deadline on this project to get it done It's the city deadline for a number of reasons the bonds and some zoning stuff and all that is the end of 2025 and we knew if we didn't get started you obviously don't get done and so we're all pushing to get started and So we came to terms in the spring 2022 We closed about a month later And then we got the whole team back together the architects same architects Freeman French Freeman. Good Burlington firm All the consulting engineers the structural guys and the plumbing engineer mechanical engineer got them all back together Said we're going to just build what got permitted because we don't have time to mess around and go back to Planning and zoning and hire another architect or rework the plans so This project that we're building right now is pretty darn close to what was permitted We've made a few little changes over the last year But we figured that was the quickest way to get the project in the ground and in going so We started almost a year ago was you know, we're november 8th or 10th or something We we had a little groundbreaking with with the mayor Some some city council folks and that week Ireland went to work They got a hole and starting to splash concrete around and worked all last winter through spring It made some good progress. I've got some some pictures here. I can Skip through this. So what's shown here is This is the south building is if you go downtown right now You'll see the skeleton of this building. It's just stand in there. It's 10 stories tall now All the steel is up start to spring in some walls We're pretty much on schedule as as we want to be here We've got the foundation for the north building going in which is It's a separate building. It runs up. What's going to be the new st. Paul street runs all the way down Cherry street turns a corner down the new pine street and comes towards the back of 100 bank street So it's going to be a u-shaped building. I've got a site planning here. I'll share with you And that foundation's in and that's about one year behind our timetable for the south building We expect the steel around july of next summer for that building Let's see, okay, so I know carol had said, you know fairing to construction. We've been here almost 50 years Ireland almost the same time frame. I think stew Ireland started his business in 74 my dad started in 77 And al from omega electric his grandfather actually had a business up here in the 50s Then they relocated to massachusetts and he ended up back here with his family in the 80s so we've got Those are the three partners we got together we call ourselves city place partners. We're not very creative thinking up names There's the three handsome guys So i'm over on the left-hand side al's in the middle and scott's on the right all our companies are Locally owned we all live live within you know five miles of the job site actually and I live I can get to the job site Five minutes by walking or two two minutes if I jump on my truck And this is another another fact that i'm pretty proud of is all three companies are now third generation Like carol was saying Both my kids are in the business Al's kids are in the business Pete and the coal And and scott's two boys are in the business and his daughter so so if we are working she works in the office um That's something to be proud of and we kind of toot that horn because um We think it means something You know to the stability and the strength of uh what we're doing there That's it Yeah, that's not what I got up there though. Oh, maybe it's just taking some time to because of the network yeah All right, so I went over most of this stuff So like I said we we we had all been Friends and work with work associates over years We've always used irons for concrete and site work and I've used omega electrical law on jobs It went through the kind of the how we got to buying dawn out the even longer story We don't have enough booze in the room or time to talk about the whole thing But we we got everybody back on board We got our foundation permit in november went right to work report our first country in december We worked through the winter at the foundation all done our steel showed up right around the fourth of july of this year It's now complete last last piece of steel was going up this week 10th floor roof decks all done. We began framing the exterior walls this month And we are hoping to get this first building completed by the end of next year early 2025 at the latest so this is uh Aerial view of the the whole whole site a little bit bigger site You'll see there's some notes in there about what they call phase one phase two phase three but This block that we're working on is the yellow in the middle It was separately subdivided out from what was owned by the brookfield group in synex Which started all the way up on church street and went all the way through macy's um And it's now it's been broken out Where the two dotted yellow lines are going up and down north and south that those are the two new roads that Used to be there in the sixth from 360s on And they got removed during this urban renewal phase. I see mr. V was here. He's a big I'm not gonna say a fan Big he's got a lot of knowledge about it. His family grew up in in that part of town and There's um, there's a long history. You could probably spend weeks just talking about that but This whole area was back in from the 1870s to the 1960s was A neighborhood family neighborhood a lot of uh Uh immigrants had settled in this area Italians leaven east french, um, there were churches around and So there's a lot of controversy back in the early 70s when this whole thing went down when it got cloud down People were relocated dislocated to uh places. They may not want to be actually my cousin Patrick barrick and did a great video and I think it's called Urban renewal sorry something like that. Yeah, you can if you type in urban renewal in Champlain street On youtube it'll go to his his video. It's about 40 40 minutes long But he did a great job on exploring all the all the um the issues that went on there, but So he fast forward they built this big huge mall they built the maces They built the they tore down jupiter's and built this mall where Most recently with starbucks and uh five dogs five five guys restaurant on church street Wiped out all these different blocks and built this big thing but the roads And there was always a lot of discussion about why did the city give away these roads? And a lot of people say we want those roads back. We want those roads back so At some point just when we got involved in the project I think Against us from the city it's at all. Thanks. We're all uh And The way our partner was he wanted to fight keep the nail wanted to go to court He wanted to lawyer up and go get the highest price, you know, new york city attorneys And beat the crap out of the nation and we said let's not do that. Let's sit down and talk so I pushed for mediation which he finally said yeah, I guess that's the only way it's gonna work Uh And we we came up with a settlement plan and one of the parts of the settlement plan was to give the plan back to the city for these roads donald always wanted to sell it to him or Or own it get some tax deduct and lease it back. It's always kind of complicated Wait around Give them the land we'll give it back to them So the lawsuit disappeared. We settled so now we're responsible for building two new roads Tying back in from bank street up the cherry. What was there back in the 60s and before? So that that piece of the project is going to happen Being funded partially by the city partially by us Um and the completion on that is when our project is done. So it ends up 2025 we have to open those two roads back up Oh, they're they're at the street level There's one little piece which is over in uh this corner Of this building that's still there if you drive up pine street you see this building You ended pine street right here. You used to drive under it to go into the mall parking Now it's going to shift over And you're going to drive under the building, but you're going to stay above grade And then you can continue through and come up alongside the macy's left of macy's now Which uh the brunken high school in this But that road's going to get re-established, but when they built that 100 bank street building it's brown for building Um It was pushed into what was the old road So there's a funky little turn that's going to happen underneath there But it's going to be all above above grade and st. Paul street is going to run right through It's off center a little bit. So there's a kick in it. It's going to be a slight little turn in st. Paul street That'll bring you up It won't continue the pearl because the city built the bus station on St. Paul street And So that that yellow is what we're building you kind of see the upside down you shape This is the north building up here. And this is the building that we're building right And there's st. Paul and there's Pine and within this Think of this like a bagel or a donut inside the donut hole. There's a three-story parking lot That well, there's going to be one layer underground One layer at the street level and as you pull in you're able to ramp up the park at the top level Then it's going to be covered Got a green roof Green roof to college And then we we recapture all the storm water to store it in the tank So it's not just like a big massive roof. It's going to flood flood all the streets So that's the south building. It's under construction right now With design or retail level all the buildings all the way around the block have retail presence At the street level Second floor is commercial space and then residential above Right now there's 14 apartments per floor And then you get to the 9th and 10th floor Changes up a little bit There's a larger unit There's still some studios small to college But three or four that are larger One of the recent changes that we've made to zoning was Added balsms in front of the building. We had to add them with Help out Make the units a little nicer But people get a little Outside the space This is like looking at this 10% Doesn't show the City code we have to buy 20% 20% So this is the north building. This is like looking at it from bus stations People recognize bell tower from the church That's right down the corner of what was St. Paul Gary We tell all In that that building the yellow bean building and the macy's building But he has not Shown any signs of shaking himself loose from that one yet. He's still chewing that bone pretty good But we we don't have any plans right now for that building So I think we went over this a little bit This this whole area Was part of a much larger thing called urban renewal. It was densely settled There was a lot of multi-family apartment houses there. There's a lot of small shops and businesses It was a neighborhood. It was like You know thriving little neighborhood The urban renewal was very controversial It got pushed it pushed through Um Somebody had it in their mind it was going to happen and it happened so Where we're building right now St. Paul's Cathedral was on our site So that actually wasn't part of the urban renewal Obviously, we're going to tear a church down. So st. Paul's Cathedral And the the catholic church cathedral We're both going to stay Um And then as soon as urban renewal was kind of near its end St. Paul's burnt. I think that was in 71 They say that in there Yeah, so st. Paul's burnt and there was this elaborate dance with the developers back then in the 60s or 70s In st. Paul's And they ended up trading some land that the developers had gotten from the city And that's where the new st. Paul's ended up over on battery and in pearl And it freed up this last little corner, which was The st. Paul's cathedral and then the the bishops house was behind it right where that 100 bank street building is the bishops house was right on the corner of Pine and bank street And that building wasn't damaged But when st. Paul's sold their land to the developers they tore that house down in if any of you do Facebook there's a really good page on facebook. It's done by bob blanchard I think it's called bronyton history or bronyton memories you type in bob blanchard In bronyton and he's got great pictures of all the old neighborhoods and all the old buildings And we're actually working with him. He's going to Help us curate some plaques when we get done the all the buildings around With pictures and a little paragraph about what was here. So as you're walking down say cherry street When you get to what was I don't know what the number would have been 97 cherry There was a house there We've got a picture of the house and then there's going to be a little plaque that says, you know Joe and sally lived here and there was a store and there was uh Was the funeral home on that block mr. v Reedy's funeral home. There's there's a so Cherry street was way more developed than bank street at the time because the church owned the all the land along bank street So they had their cathedral then they had a big backyard And then they had the bishops house. So that was not developed as much as the the other side street So like I said in the 70s this bronyton square mall gut bill It was originally underground with parking on top and then it expanded in the early 80s I think and they added a second level and then they added a little uh, there was a department store along Bank street then macy's got built. I think in 99 97 98 something like that. So I kind of filled that whole area And And then between 2016 when this project was envisioned through 2018 that's when brookfield and signex tore it all down And then it sat from 2018 to 2022 when uh, when we started back up I don't it's a big secret. Nobody's Something's happening But nobody's saying and there must be some real If I don't know it's a secret I What's happening with the catholic uh cathedral and nobody knows Some people know but I I'm sure they had to sign some wicked nondisclosure even the city I mean nobody says a word about it There's a bunch of lawsuits with that, but Yeah lawsuits So I've already talked about what's getting built But originally the signex brookfield plan called for a 14 story building this will lead into some lawsuits right here 14 14 stories. There was only going to be 150 Residential units because that was a limit that act 250 puts on certain projects The hospital was going to take a good chunk of the space They were going to have office space move everybody that isn't taking care of patients up at the hospital Get them out out of the hospital so they could have more more space up there Um, there was going to be two distinct buildings each with office towers rising up There was a lot of public opposition lawsuits Lots of conflict Brookfield kind of called a timeout they they They weren't happy with the progress. They weren't happy with the team they had on it. They weren't happy with their partner Um, so they just said we're going to put this on ice for a little while And then soon after that, I think there was a lot of pressure from the city on brookfield And even though the city didn't want to see more of don synex. They wanted to see something happen so They encouraged him to try to Take take over the project from brookfield to keep it moving Um, like I said, we're building pretty much what was permitted back in 2020 It's about 730,000 square feet of mixed use which is retail commercial space restaurants shops There's 40,000 square feet of that all the way around the block We've got 420 something parking spaces in a three-story enclosed garage. We've got a community room It's part of the what we negotiated with the city. There's a 2000 square foot maybe maybe the size of this room are a little smaller Um in the back that's got like a catering kitchen and Like neighborhood planning associations and citizens groups and stuff can Schedule access to that room to have meetings such as this I think that gets scheduled through the cedo office. So we'll have some cooperation It's uh one floor up It's in where we have we right now. We're calling it like the lawyers offices That's who we're hoping to attract There's there's four large office suites on the second floor Of the the south building and then on the on the west side is where the community room is It can be split up. It's got dividers. So it can be split up into smaller rooms Yeah, well, there's four of them so So the community room is there And then also as part of our negotiations with the city Oops We agreed to provide some public restrooms around at the street level. So as you go into each garage Do the share screen again? Yeah, so I think there's four public restrooms like almost one on each block that um People can can just go into Yeah recent so the the original design some of the changes that we made the original design had a ninth floor restaurant about 6 000 square feet of restaurant space event space and a big outdoor patio And I talked to about 50 restaurant people and nobody wanted to have anything to do with it It's just too big, you know the fit up cost would have been three to four million dollars To staff it somebody would have needed 40 or 50 people and just nobody wanted to touch it and um so we went back to zoning and We had this restaurant and then we had mechanical penthouse space on the roof And we didn't need any of that because we weren't having boilers and all these air handlers because each unit has its own heating and cooling systems So I went back to zoning and said how about if we build more housing and they said great So we we've converted the ninth floor to just be one more floor of the apartments and then the 10th floor has um It's open floor plan right now. We don't even have it designed It's like if somebody wants to come in and sit down and talk we'll we'll do like a design build project for them and We've had a lot of interest from from outside people This little funny twist when this was originally built this or designed this building was designed as a hotel When he found out don found out he'd have to get an act 250 permit He wanted to avoid any more public hearings because he was a little shy of them so He just I think the fight was coming out of him a little bit not not all of it, but So he decided no, we're not going to build the hotel and it got converted to Apartments since then there's been some changes in act 250 and a little change in ownership That they said we could consider doing like a boutique hotel in the building So we are talking to some people about that and that would be at some mid-level point there'd be a series of floors that would be Hotel room they're they're talking there's talk about some people wanting some what they call extended stay Where you come for a month and so it's it's kind of like apartments, but so we're We're still exploring a lot with future potential partners. Yes, sir No, the city disallowed that So here's another funny little twist. We we were going to build 550 parking spaces for 420 apartments Figured that's what we needed The city put a cap on the number of parking spaces that we could build and we had to take a floor off the parking garage We had to we had to take 150 parking spaces away because they're now controlling How many parking spaces you can build? They don't want parking. They don't want people driving cars We're going to go back to horse and buggies It is it's gonna but you know their vision and that's what this whole plan btv was about was people downtown living and working We just got a you know It's the it's the it's the chicken and egg thing We get people living downtown, but then they need jobs down there. So you need businesses down there So you got to build some more buildings. So We're doing our part on the first part. So I don't know if we're the chicken or the egg, but We've had a lot of interest from local businesses. We've got a bank bank that's interested being on bank street Um, we've had a interest in a micro grocery store this boutique hotel. Like I mentioned A bunch of smaller restaurants like breakfast shops or hamburger joints like that And like a walking health care clinic small like a concentra type We haven't signed any leases yet You'll see some pictures. You'll see why we still have a dirt floor all through the the ground floor Yeah, so here's here's an old picture. I pulled some pictures off This is like a 1960s shot of the block. So we've got um This is st. Paul street. This is bank street. This is the old episcopal cathedral And that was the governor or the um, bishop's house Mr. V was that the school right there? Converse school. Yep. So there's a school. There was a Office building. I'm not sure what this was here. I don't I don't have the information on what's what was along there, but Behind this is was a big parking lot that was behind the old Woolworth store There was a seers auto across the street the catholic grounds were right across the street directly across This was something I I pulled from this one of the city websites So this this is the urban renewal zone. It stretched down the battery street over to perl down to college So this this Is the property this is our full block right here But this was the church property that they left out of the urban renewal and here's here was the This was a cathedral high school. And this is was the old cathedral Um, I forget what that was called and then over here was the cathedral grammar school almost right across the street from It's exact. It was right on that corner. Yep So that that's about what the site looked like a year ago when we started We've got a little bit of digging going on. You can see we were Again, this this is from the roof of the L. L. Bean building. So here's Cherry street This is bank street running this way The new pine is going to snake underneath this building and pop right back up here So that was the whole site the the old parking garage used to be right here all along cherry street And and under and then this was the mall piece that was through here and tied into the macy's Which is it's still over here So our south building is in this area here And this is this was the very beginning This was the deepest concrete that we had to pour And that's where the elevators and the stair towers are all stacked up and You and that's also the lowest level where you come down to the elevators You'll be one story below grade where the parking comes in And that was last night So we've uh, we've had a fun year there um No We've we've been leaving the lights on because we had some trespassers So a couple of artists The insurance company wants us to leave the lights on they're all LED lights So they don't really burn a lot of juice, but um It looks pretty cool at night because I I was coming up down pine street at night and you're like wow It it jumps up. It's um, it's about 30 feet taller than the building next door in about 50 feet taller than the new building that just got built in the chitin and bank driving Parking lot area Well, we I don't know If I knew I'd run for mayor and make it happen, but There's There's drug problems Mental health problems. Those are combined. This homeless thing is another, you know, that's a a result of the first two problems You know, we don't have a lot of police right now. I got cut back. They're trying to build it back up. They knew that was a mistake Hopefully they get back up. Yes, sir We will have a night watchman here once we get a little further along Oh, I I think there'll probably be like a concierge guy at the lobby Kind of stop and Don't come in the building if you don't need to be in the building You know, there's a lot of potential tenants have asked that question Everything's going to be secured from the lobby level up. You'll need a card or a A Bob to get in if you come in through the parking garage to get down to the lower level You're going to need to swipe a card And a garage door will open up and you'll drive down and then you'll need a card to get into the building Then you're going to need a card to get into the elevator and once you get out of the elevator There's two more sets of doors and you can't leave the elevator lobby at your floor You swipe again So don't lose your card Or you'll be sleeping in your car If you have a question, please raise your hand because we'd love to have people here Mr. B He's a coach. He knows how to haul it. Could you repeat the question? He has just spoke about elevators and cards to get in and my question is It probably goes along with the idea of security If somebody opens up the elevator Who's to stop somebody who quickly gets in right behind them? That's my question That's good question. I think that could happen But then when you get to your floor, you probably know your neighbors There's only 12 more people that live on on your floor And you'd say You're not going any further I would say that It may not be the Yeah, no, no, but we're trying to take some measures to to promote security You could walk into my living room right now. My front door is open. So It's a different world now definitely and in security is a big thing all the stairwells like you can't Get into the garage then get into a stairwell and get out on somebody's floor. You you need a swipe card And there's there's going to be cameras and there's going to be people around Yeah I I believe part of the plan was to have been a Higher up maybe rooftop Observation deck open to the public, but I didn't hear you mention that. No That we traded that for these public bathrooms and stuff our insurance company was dead set against having An open public observation deck and they said they would not ensure the building if that was there so I have a question Concerning we were talking about safety And you said that there were going to be public restrooms with street access Um, I I'm aware there are a lot of drugs into out tumbling these days, and I'm wondering how safe those will be That's a good question though We can't put cameras in them Um There's a public bathroom in city hall park, and I've seen 10 feet in it before by five pairs of shoes in one bathroom, so Stuff stuff is going to happen if it gets out of control. We'll we'll shut them down until the city. It's not working out for us There's a shower and a toilet there But they're they're on elevated legs And like I said if you're sitting at the the merchants bank in the drive-through you can look out And you're like there's five people in that one bathroom right now. What's going on? Yes, sir The parking garage I'm not quite sure it's just for the public or the tenants of the residential building or It's going to be mixed it's going to be mixed use we're going to have Two floors secured That you if you drive in There's going to be a gate that you have to open up you'll have a Opener in your car that gate will open up and you'll drive down and the gate will close but the Level at the street level will have those pay kiosks where you can go and punching your License plate number and you get a ticket you put her on your windshield and that level will be enforced there's an enforcement team that goes through to make sure you're You have the tickets and you're paying and they're taking care of security and picking up garbage and so the and that's the largest floor there's 140 cars on that I think So we we anticipate that they'll be full most of the time, but there will be public parking available There'll be a light outside like the city has that they're Their bank street garage. It says lot full or a lot Spaces available or something like that and that's all done just by monitoring cars in and out We're not sure it sounds like it's on This is a broad question and and I'm curious in the current plans. Are there any kind of major Conditions or contingencies that that could happen and gum up the works So that some of these players would You know retrench or withdraw from participation and going further. There's something that could mess it up I've known of Major projects just from reading are a little bit of information. Otherwise about for example in the whole Doing of the shell burn in from the family There were critical points where the deadlines had to be made or the players would have had to go back to the table and try to secure Agreement and and go on or not go on as as had been planned up to that point It was also true and more recently in Lincoln Center and the revision of avery fisher hall They had to have a certain amount of money certain kinds of funding secure or or Things could could you know hit the fan? So I wonder if that if if you understand the gist of my question Is is that the case now? There's no no conditions on the construction of this there is a Condition that the city has as part of the road construction that we had to enter into a contract For a minimum 50 million dollars worth of construction and we met that already with this building This is about a 70 million dollar building So we've we've met that kind of threshold That frees up the what they call the tiff money that pays for the roads um We do have a deadline at the end of the project which is right now December 31st 2025 that we have to have The roads completed And our project done if our project isn't 100 complete We still have to pay property taxes as if it were complete So if we run six months late or a year late We got to pay the property tax bill as if it was done So there's a little incentive there to get done Hi, Kathy Anyway, I just really want to express my gratitude I don't know if people can hear me Just to express Quiet down right Kathy Just want to express my gratitude and I think as a long time Burlington resident that I really see this as the major step in the renaissance of Burlington and and I kudos to you and your your team and the other two companies and Dave here and um And I'm wondering Is there Bring him in for anything right? Is there any estimate or guesstimate of what the approximate rents might be for the apartments here? They're gonna be it's gonna be mixed rents all the way down to what they there's a this the iz component has some federal factors that you have to meet and it's like 65 percent of Some posted rate that the maximum rent can be of there of the person that's living in there's income so it's like I I don't know how that whole formula works I've got people at the the office that figure that stuff out But it gets some of those rents of the affordable iz units inclusionary zoning units Down to it's around a thousand like a thousand eighty dollars a month Which still sounds like a lot for a you know one bedroom apartment, but that's that's like the lower side and then um, we are going to include We've just recently made this decision. We want to include some student housing in there But just owned by us not leased to uvm or Champlain It's just going to be managed by us and we're going to build the suite type so there might be I think the number was like 44 suites so there might be 160 kids living in one wing And and that'll be managed like a student dorm basically We're going to build some workforce housing. That's Doesn't reach as deep as the affordable that the iz requires but still affordable to the working person And then as we move up the levels, obviously, they're going to get a little nicer and a little more expensive And there are going to be some some premium units like the the ninth and tenth floor of this building It's got some amazing views. You can imagine down the Schubert point and out juniper island You can see north beach. You can see over to platzberg So it's it's truly it's got to be mixed right right from you know, lower income We are talking right now. We're not terribly excited about the discussions, but we are talking with the mayor's office about Setting aside a few that maybe like cht might manage as I forget the exact term it's Coordinated entry so it's it's Homeless people or just previously homeless people. Maybe people You know coming out of a temporary shelter like a cots or something like that And this is the first step to getting them into a home and to get other support services from the city Howard center helps out cht so It's a different concept like just open up the door to some homeless people It's not that bad, but um, so we're exploring that and we're open for it. You know, we want to we want to do our part This project's actually got the higher level of inclusionary. We went to 20 percent inclusionary And that was something actually that don offered up in the beginning I don't know why he did that because he really only to do 15 percent So it's really contrary to him to go more but he did you know why he did that We're just mixing it in like inclusionary Yeah Dave hillman had asked about if it was going to be segregated affordable or not and we're just we're mixing it in to the The mix it so truly inclusionary. It's uh, some people have been developer out north avenue sold off all his affordable responsibilities to I think it was cathedral square or cht And they built two different towers just for that And then did market rate in standalone buildings, but ours is going to be mixed in So you won't know who's there You won't know that you're paying 1100 dollars and you're paying 1400 for the same place It's uh, it's the true spirit of inclusionary the the zoning. It's called iz inclusionary zoning. So it's just Everybody lives together and some people get some help She got another question I've seen you there Well, not adversarial It was complicated. It was extremely adversarial, but it was his own making and that's just his style and it didn't work and We we knew that and that's why we pushed to get this piece broken away and and get it done So um What is the front on church street going to look like? Um, I don't know the final plans for that, but it's not going to change much because You can't build on church street. You have to anything that any new construction that's going to happen there has to be at least 65 feet Back from church street. So you can't go build a 10 story building on church street So whatever the plans are They've taken that and the zoning has taken that into consideration. So it'll be pushed back Um, and there's there's been a lot of discussion about what it would be another residential tower Uh, synex had talked about a hotel there. There's been talk about Some business offices. There's been talk about more of a convention type meeting space for conventions events that could hold more than Like the biggest place around town now is the radison or it's now the hilton And I think they can put about 450 people in there And there's a need to have a place that somebody can set a thousand people down So that that might be part of the mix, but nothing settled yet And I don't think anything's been applied for but um There will be no direct access from church street to your building They're not connected. They're not connected. No. So you have to go down the Either cherry street or well, I saw one plan where you'd walk into church street where you do now in between the Coffee shop in the burger port place And there was a promenade with small shops along each side and it would end at st. Paul street And then you'd go across the street But I don't I don't think that's been settled out yet Mr. Beat I want to personally thank you in your company for getting involved It's over 50 years that urban renewal took place Forcing people to leave their homes Because there was going to be a big project following Here we are 50 years later waiting for the first Occupants to be even considered That area had Businesses houses schools Everything that made a community And so that's why The people who were How would I say Displaced it really left a very poor Taste in their mouth. Oh, I know and uh the frustration of those people and To my interpretation The city did not give The occupants What their house was worth All they did was All they did was the property and not the land You know when you sell your house you're selling the land That's where Financially it was Hell Thank you so so much. This has been fabulous How's that one, huh Yeah, so if anybody's got questions, I got a pretty easy email. It's dave at btv like the airport btv spaces.com my that 800 number that's on the sign on the fence actually rings to my cell phone. So I've gotten quite a few calls And The info at building cityplace.com forwards to my email also So if anybody's got questions Comments whatever you want to come down and take a look just give me a shout Thanks for uh, thanks for coming today