 Getting rid of people it didn't want oh You're a drunk put them on a boat Which is odd since that's on the on the on the whole actually tend to drink a lot less than Europeans Right, but there's but oh, they do your alcoholics more often. It's not about the amount It's actually we're not more alcoholics more often. Are you sure about that? Yes? I don't know is it is more prevalent in Europe than the United States No, no, it's not more prevalent, but it's you you're looting that Americans are more likely to be alcoholic, which is not true Right I was defining Prevalency of alcoholic as the likelihood to be alcoholic, but Maybe I'm you've you confused me by saying that what I thought was the same thing is not the same thing So now I don't know what to do. I think there are a lot of friends for example that are Alcoholics because they drink every day two or three glasses and I think that could be defined as alcoholic I think it pretty much alcoholism is in way I'm defined as the clinical definition of like you have a problem drinking You can't stop drinking it affects your life it ruins your relationships that kind of thing I thought was more prevalent in the United States, but I you know, I don't know that either I think in France there are a lot of people who are like casual Alcoholics that don't miss it doesn't necessarily ruin their lives, but they really well then it's not technically alcoholism It's okay. Maybe no, I don't think so Well, let's after the show. Well, we'll dig dig deeper to to find Into the nature of alcoholism. Oh, no, like how you define alcoholism and like and then figure out the stats on that Well, there's a yeah There's a there's a clinical definition of alcoholism it has to do with you know, whether you can function There's I mean, there's functional alcoholism too, and there's there's all kinds of stuff, but okay Just just drinking a lot is not the same as being an alcoholic. Right, right, right Yeah, so I my impression was people get Blind drunk less in France and maybe it's different. I think it's different in other European countries So that's not even about Europe. It's about France but Yeah, because the the country's with the highest level of Alcoholism according to a USA Today study are all in Eastern Europe So that you know what that could that could be why Roger? Why you why you have that stat, right? It could be that I'm thinking UK France maybe Germany and and the all of Europe is Includes Eastern Europe, of course So if that's the case then that would change the nature of it and I can tell you they like to get drunk in Finland. Oh Howdy, all right Yeah, interesting Maybe they didn't send enough Eastern Europeans to the US in the early days of clone because the colonial powers were not Eastern European They were Western Roger you want me to track time while you do the other stuff? Sure. That'd be awesome. All right I need to get a person to thank See if I could find a French sounding name Is that oh, I don't know if this person is French though you could get an American name that you French up as they say I can give you an American Portuguese name, but it might be a selection by well But I also should be a name of someone who's been supporting us for five years Here we go This is not a French You'll see why Patrick I and all this is leading to asking Patrick if he would read that bit. Is that all right? Wait, it's still many of you. I don't see the name. I'm changing it right now. Okay. There we go Okay, no, you can't use that one Why? Because it means something in French. Oh, really? Yes. Oh Okay, I mean it could it could yeah, yeah, yeah, okay fine back to the drawing board. How about this one? Oh That's hilarious and that poor person so it's just pretty chill in forever. Yes So make sure you know when we start so you can subtract the times as they go because We're starting late. Okay. Okay. Yes, perfect. Okay Thank you for catching that here we go in three two Brian Bordeaux has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Brian become a DTNS member at patreon.com This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, February 26 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and In Finland where it's called but not as cool as before. I'm Patrick Beja and I'm the show's producer with Roger Chang Hi Roger Sarah Lane off today Playing the part of Sarah Lane on today's show will be Amos our intern. Well, you're not our intern yet Amos But soon not until Tuesday Tuesday next Tuesday. Yes, you become Amos the intern today You're just a man. Okay I'm a timekeeper. Let me get to that. Yeah. Amos helping us out today. Sarah's off. She'll be back tomorrow Let's start with a few tech things you should know Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says his sources say Apple has been testing a sleep tracking feature on the Apple watch something A lot of people have wanted with plans to bring it to the device by 2020 Apple sells an under mattress sleep tracking sensor from Finland's Bedit Which Apple acquired back in 2017 the health app on iOS also supports sleep tracking based on alarms and third party integrations But then when do you charge it? That's the question Google launched version 1.2 of its cross-platform ui framework called flutter It is it now supports android app bundles and instant apps and lays the groundwork for helping devs accept in app payments Flutter 1.2 also includes new keyboard events and mouse hover support in preparation for eventual desktop app support Researcher at the security firm eclipsium are publishing a paper describing how five-year-old vulnerabilities in baseboard management controllers or bmcs Can compromise iBM's bare metal cloud computing service because of the super micro hardware it runs on The bmc vulnerability can allow a customer to leave a back door on a cloud machine That would remain even after the server is wiped clean and reprovisioned IBM will now reflash factory firmware on all bmcs before Reprovisioning though a lot of security researchers are saying man. There's way to subvert reflashing. So we're not done yet And this is not the bloom bird report bloom look reports about super micro from a while back nothing to do with that totally totally Google docs ai generated grammar suggestions is now rolling out to all g-suit users Google has announced has not announced when it will come to all google doc users. I would like it though. All right, let's get into some Mobile news. There's a mobile world congress happening in barcelona HTC has added 20 new decentralized apps to its blockchain smartphone the exodus one That's the one that went on sale in december. This includes a numbers app that will let a user Exchange their own personal information. They say look you can track me You can figure out My accelerometer data I'll decide what you can have but in exchange you're going to give me some cryptocurrency The idea is to give users control over what data is shared while providing some transparency and how that data is used You actually get to see who the data is sold to in this kind of interesting HTC also partnered with opera To allow for ethereum micro payments on supporting websites with support for bitcoin and litecoin coming in a few months So you would be able to have micro payments go to sites rather than having to sign up for something like patreon or something like that HTC will also now sell the exodus one for cash fiat currency. You don't have to buy it with cryptocurrency anymore It's available for 699 dollars starting in march Before you could only buy it with crypto that petrick. What do you make of all this? I make a company that is desperately trying to find a use for that uh device which was a cool idea But i'm not sure Is working out for them or really for anyone or is it i mean i don't know either It's certainly a headline grabber because it's got cryptocurrency and that's a buzzword and it gets clicks I love the idea of experimenting with ways to give users control I'm not sure that a lower selling phone like the exodus one is really going to move the needle on that anywhere But it's an interesting interesting experiment and maybe if it works in a small way It will inspire other apps on other platforms to happen. I could see that Yeah, it's definitely a chicken and egg issue because we've been talking about the idea that you could Decide who you sell and how you sell your data Who you sell to and how you sell it and this is the type of technology that could enable that Um But in order for this to be really useful. It would need to be implemented quite widely and it doesn't seem like the Uh user base of that phone would be enough to encourage People to to implement those systems. Maybe for some specific Uh communities it could work But it seems like something that that would remain limited until it's adopted more widely Yeah, I mean for those people who were like, man, crypto kiddies isn't enough for me to buy a phone Now you got some other apps to look at, uh, but I still think you're right. The exodus one is a laboratory It's an interesting little laboratory to experiment and try some stuff Uh, it's not necessarily the place where something's going to take off And I also wonder actually If these ideas could be implemented without the complication of cryptocurrency Um selling your data and things like that. So I think that's a really good point, too Uh, all right, let's move on the united states federal trade commission will launch a task force to monitor competition among technology companies It will include current members of the ftc's bureau for competition as well as 17 Staff attorneys while investigating current practices. It will also examine previous mergers That's really interesting and could recommend companies be spun out Meanwhile, the u.s. Justice department lost an appeal to reverse the merger of at&t and time warner for failing to demonstrate anti-competitive behavior It is unclear if the doj will appeal the decision to the supreme court Man last time the doj lost a case against the merger I dismissed it along with many other people as well They're not going to appeal it the merger is about to go through and the merger did go through and we're like see And then the department of justice brought the cave appeal anyway And was like if we win we'll undo the merger so I'm not going to say they won't appeal it to the supreme court until for sure someone at the department of justice says We are for sure not appealing it to the supreme court But I think this other ftc effort is very interesting because there's been a lot of rhetoric out there about Breaking up facebook saying make them spin out whatsapp and instagram So they are not dominant over data across three platforms a lot of people looking at google the same way and saying bro You should break them up into various components and this seems to be a nod Not towards doing that but but towards taking the steps to investigating that kind of idea And it seems like this kind of behavior. First of all would have been impossible Three or four years ago and the situation was different But it still felt like the companies were unassailable and now of course the Mood has changed a lot in the whole of the countries But in the u.s. At least From the perspective of an outsider it feels like the kind of thing that would Be politically too difficult to implement or to put together Because it seems like anti-business practices and For all the talk that we have and we have a lot of it of facebook Maybe being too big being dominant it always feel from the outside like it's all just talk And it will never turn into anything concrete This is at least the first step and I I feel a significant step towards that Yeah, I'm my concern is that this ends up just being a sort of a harassment vehicle. There's a great interview that Justin robert young did recently on politics politics politics About the toothlessness of the federal election commission Who are empowered to do all kinds of things but the realities Of of their enforcement powers leave them unable to do stuff FTC has a little more enforcement authority than the fec But that said you still need a lot of political will to really go through Breaking somebody up and only if someone On the government's side is very angry at a particular company and pushes the f tc to go after them For one reason or another it could be the current president could be a future president I don't I don't see this really being Full of a lot of teeth yet So even this step might not have any effect like at least Putting people on notice or companies and it'll have an effect because companies will want to tiptoe around this But I don't I don't think you're going to see them storming in to to take facebook to court to break them up or anything like that Yeah On lighter news a survey conducted by adobe estimates the 53 million people in the united states own at least one voice activated smart speaker We are a nation of voluntary surveillance here 74 of people use them to play music That's one thing that I use mine for 66 check weather 58 ask fun questions like How many pints in a gallon because we don't use the metric system 66 let's see setting alarms checking news searching. Those are all popular as well Shopping however, not that popular only mentioned by 26 percent and that's down from the last time adobe did this survey When it was 30 percent back in august of 2018 The survey also found that people would like their television their car and their stern thermostat to have voice control But not their oven refrigerator or washing machine Uh, this actually tracks pretty closely to what I what I think and how I use mine For the most part. What about you patrick? Uh, well, you know, I have two voice assistant speaker things which I Uh, have stored safely in a cupboard somewhere because they are dumb and I don't use those things. I don't understand why Uh, people use them and yet everyone loves them, but I don't get it. I must be you know, why do I use you? Basically that is what I want. Why yeah, it's I mean I understand. Oh, did you actually ask the She's telling me how to use her. Yeah. Ah, right. Well, um, so I understand I'm in the minority here, but this kind of Every story about voice assistants and there are many kind of befuddles me That being said, I if you like voice assistants initially when I was reading about tv's and thermostats I was kind of laughing it off, but it actually makes sense Maybe on the tv or a thermostat it would work and not in an oven or refrigerator washing machine That would be a new I don't use mine for my thermostat, but I do use it for the television I have a harmony hub hooked up to it and it's great. You just say turn on the tv and it turns on All right, google updated the google home ios app to list apple music as an integrated service for home speakers Although it can't be linked to a google home device at the moment Apple music was previously listed in the google home app in a separate limited available availability section as only available on ios devices So this is addressing two concerns that I've had one concern is if apple wants to be a service company Then apple music needs to be on more platforms and and certainly all their services need to be on that more platforms But apple music is their most successful service oriented product right now And this indicates that hey, maybe we really will get apple music busting off of apple products That's a good sign to me Uh, the other thing that's always bugged me about these voice assistants that we were just talking about Is the wall garden aspect of them? I don't like that because I use an echo I can't get my google play music on it. I don't like that if I want to use a google home It's like well, that's an entirely different ecosystem and entirely different choices And I can't do all the same things on it, you know What I love about computers is even between mac and windows you can mostly do the same things No matter which computer you have so the idea I know this is a very small section of that but the idea of apple music showing up on google home When google has its own music service, uh, and apple makes its own devices I think would be a great sign that that we're at least eroding those wall gardens a little bit I don't know if it's eroding the wall gardens or just getting apple music on that device And that's where it's it will stop. It's a very small erosion It's not gonna break down the wall trust me like a couple of pebbles Have fallen off It reminds me of, um, iTunes appearing on windows and hell freezing over as Steve Jobs Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah And I think it's somewhat similar. It makes sense for that specific, uh, product for that specific, uh, service I'm not sure it means a lot more beyond that maybe, you know Maybe we're gonna see other apple services come on other devices But it seems like such a gigantic shift For apple to do it would essentially mean apple is pooling a microsoft And you can't do it halfway, right? You can't just Do some of the services like half of them and the others you keep on your devices And you need to be everywhere if you go that, uh, route and and just doesn't feel like yeah Well, this is step by step apple music's available on the amazon echo Uh, you've got itunes showing up on samsung tv's right like Granted, we're not even close to there yet But these are the kinds of signs I would want to see that apple really is serious about doing that Uh versus like well, we'll put itunes on android. I guess because we have to You know, I've that always felt sort of reluctant. They never really supported it as well as they did Uh itunes on ios, uh, I think with apple music They've done a better job on android and seeing them show up on the echo maybe the home You know that that starts to give me a little more Optimism for the marketplace. Maybe maybe all right, uh, france's avanier telecom which licenses the energizer Battery brand is showing off an 18 000 milliamp hour battery That's 18 millimeters thick and is also a 6.2 inch android phone At the verge says it's a battery with a phone in it Has six gigabytes of ram 128 gigabytes of storage in a pop-up module with two selfie cameras in it Vlad's above at the verge also says it's three and a half iphone's thick if you want to think of it that way The battery lasts a week seven-day battery life It's gonna weigh you're at down your pants, but it's seven day battery life Or 48 hours of continuous video playback you could really binge on this thing the energizer power max p18k pop Comes out this summer. We don't know the price. That's the biggest thing for me is what the price is going to be but also Again, just going off of Vlad's article about this on the verge. He said it was not the greatest user experience. So Yeah, it seems so first of all, I've never heard of avanier telecom. So I don't know who they are but You know, this is the kind of thing that is easy to make fun of But that some people are going to get get great use out of Obviously, it's not something you want to be carrying in your pocket when you're just going from home to work and back But if you're going on a trip if you're going Somewhere where you can't recharge your phone Instead of having 15 different batteries, you're just going for three or four days It just take your phone and you're good for the entire trip I'm sure this is actually well, I'm not sure but I would guess This is the kind of device that doesn't fold doesn't have fancy sub screen fingerprint readers and stuff like that But people could actually get some serious use out of so I'm not honestly 11 millimeters is not that thick In the guy I have my tower bricks. I use the meters. What's that? Oh, it's 18. Okay, but still that's less than two centimeters So I don't know. It's yeah. All right. I was thinking 11 Yeah, it's it's thicker. It's definitely thicker than a phone. That's the point is you don't I was trying to I was thinking it might be thinner than the power bricks I use to carry when I travel for for on the go recharging I think it's about the same Yeah, it seems maybe even a little bit more but Um It's again, it's a kind of use. Maybe you're going sailing or I think the question is why would you need an anchor? No, but I think the question is why would you want this rather than a slim phone and a battery? Which I guess is a fair question One into the other it's all right there. I guess you don't care about it. Yeah It kind of reminds me of the nokia 210 which was just presented at Mwc as well It's kind of a you know, it's a feature phone a very small tiny thing that costs 35 bucks And you can browse the web and and and stuff like that And it but it has a one month battery life Um, and that is valuable. I need the little feature phone, right? It doesn't need to suck the battery life. Oh well I uh, I think This is the trend for new phones in the future. They're just gonna get thicker and thicker Because we haven't figured out battery life yet Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Uh, a couple stories kicking around this week that Microsoft would bring xbox games to the nintendo switch And we're not just talking about minecraft. That's a whole different thing Patrick explain this piece in our time between Microsoft and nintendo that might happen This is crazy This is for the video games industry something that is equivalent to iTunes arriving on pc a few decades ago or a decade and a half ago It is insane that microsoft would actually publish its own games like we're talking about Uh smaller games that have been successful on the xbox But that are microsoft owned and as you mentioned minecraft was a very different specific product that lived on it doesn't uh Follow the rules of the industry because In this industry you have platforms that attract players By having exclusive games and now microsoft is saying not only are we going to put some games on the nintendo switch We're we're also hearing about massive flagship franchises coming to the switch And the real kicker is that they would be bringing their game pass service, which is a subscription service to to gaming And their xcloud service which streams games as we've talked about a few times I feel like I talk about that every every couple weeks. Um, which means Any xbox one game, uh, that is enabled in that service. It's probably all of them would be playable on the switch um So that means that microsoft has completely Transformed is in the process of transforming its gaming business in the same way that it has transformed its tech business Thinking about their platform not as a physical device, but as an immaterial Thing that could be anywhere um And that completely destroys the idea of consoles in the gaming space I think it's it's worth reiterating for folks, uh, especially if you're distracted and driving doing something else This isn't microsoft announcing it. This is a a uh, it was which which outlet said that they had a source told them, right? It yeah, so there are a couple of sources one is a youtube channel that has a good track record There's another one who is actually a journalist french friend in france, uh, who also Vetted his sources so direct feed games is the youtube channel that patrick's right and je video.com is a Source that added to those rumors um, and and so we're not certain but it is uh kind of Reinforced by something that we do know it's going to be presented at gdc if i'm not mistaken It's the fact that the social layer of the xbox service is Going to be available on mobile phones and the switch so that kind of goes hand in hand and it's interesting for microsoft because it means their games are available everywhere And it's interesting for nintendo because i think they are going to keep their exclusive games on their console But in that context they would also get the games from the other player Of course the big Elephant in the room here is the playstation 4 which we're guessing microsoft probably approached And uh, sony probably said are you kidding me? That's not how things work. We do not want your service on our console well, and and honestly nintendo the switch and the xbox Game pass and xcloud projects makes sense to me Nintendo is never trying to say that the switch is your most capable piece of hardware They're saying it's a fun piece of hardware. It's easy to play. It's it's it's convenient And if you can access cloud gaming from microsoft through it, that's just one more cool fun thing it can do But we all know That one of the things that fans of video games are pay a lot of attention to is hardware and performance And am i getting the most performance can i get the least lag and nintendo knows that You're not going to you're not going to get the best performance doing our cloud gaming service on the switch It's just going to be a fun way to access your game and microsoft knows that too So this is super smart for microsoft to say hey for that serious video gamer There's still no better choice than the xbox. At least that's what microsoft's going to say, right? But it doesn't erode that to provide cloud gaming access to the switch Right, uh, the other rumors are Saying that there will be another series of xboxes two of them one a little bit less powerful One a little bit more powerful for the next generation So serious gamers will still have that option But it underlines that microsoft the way microsoft is thinking about its gaming business in the future Is that it is an immaterial service? And the consoles the physical consoles are just one expression of that service which is available everywhere Pretty much in the same way that they want to be the infrastructure In tech and don't worry so much about selling you windows nowadays for you know, 150 bucks They'll sell you a surface. They'll sell you an xbox They make some hardware that is tuned to their services But they are trying to make all their money Those are just ways to introduce you to their services is kind of the way it feels And maybe that's what they're doing with the xbox now too Certainly looks like it and it's so significant in the gaming space because again the the way that business worked Was or still works is that you build a console you close it down And you bring gamers to your console via exclusives And then you can get those royalties on the games you sell for your For your device And so that completely changes it makes the console or the platform rather not a physical device But the platform is the service and you treat it maybe in the same way that you do Your consoles previously, but i'm wondering if microsoft isn't Leaping ahead of the competition by doing this and if Things work out the way they look like they might work out They will be in a very good position in for the next stage of the the gaming industry It's a it's a big change. I mean since I did the tech tv holiday gift guide show in 2002 The Recommendation has been pick the console that has the games you like That I find out be advice that matters in the future. Yeah, yeah weird to think that All right, thanks to everybody participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Please do that really helps us out and for joining the fun at facebook.com slash group slash daily tech news show I want to check in with Nate Langston from text message who is giving us a firsthand Report on his experience with some of the products at mobile world congress starting with hollow lens too, Nate Let's hear from you Well, you're joining me after I've just left mwc Barcelona for today But the good news is that just before I left I was given the chance to try out microsoft's hollow lens too Which you guys discussed yesterday. I think now for context I should say I didn't actually get to try out the first hollow lens, but I've pretty much used every other Sort of VR headset out there from htc oculus something gear Vio, which I'll come to in a little bit daydream psvr All that kind of stuff and all I would say up front about the hollow lens is that for its class Probably the most comfortable one I've tried and definitely the most balanced in terms of weight on the front and the back Now in my demo I was given the task of rewiring part of an airplane and actually apparently the bit I was rewiring was the bit that holds the engine on they described it as quite an important part I'd probably agree But it was also in a booth and not attached to a plane at the time So no one was going to die on my watch And the hollow lens too has a wider field of view Than the first one and as I walked around this this Part of the airplane's wing I had this big arrow and a big arrow trail in my vision that guided me to where I needed to stand You know relative to the to the wing and then little circles would appear over parts of the plane that I needed to attach The wires to There was also a little dialogue box in my field of view that would follow me around if I stared at a wall for a few seconds too And it's a really impressive piece of kit But the experience using it actually just really reminded me that we shouldn't ever really talk about hollow lens too in the same Sentences, you know things like like the oculus and the vive This is totally an enterprise product It's still totally an enterprise product as well and I was at the announcement with saty nadella and epic games as ceo tim sweeney the other day And when he said epic would support hollow lens in future I really don't think it'll be in the same way that the company would support other headsets what I could actually imagine Having having used this is a scenario where you still play a game on a big screen But by playing it with the hollow lens on you get You know, you get more peripheral information In your you know, sort of between your eyes and and the screen itself I could see that working really really well And the other thing I wanted to mention briefly is a headset by that company Vio, I think you mentioned them briefly the other day But I actually managed to get some time with this today as well Now this cost about $6,000. It was released last week and again It's very much aimed at enterprise customers. But here's the thing Imagine Oculus Vive PlayStation VR imagine they were all dvd resolution. I know they're not but bear with me imagine they were dvd resolution The vio headset in comparison felt to me Like it would be closer to 4k And one of the demos I had I was sitting in a like a virtual room of a craftsman a craftsman studio With paint everywhere and wooden models and shelves full of like decades of old trinkets and things like that Like the inside of some open plan woodshop that's existed for a century And the detail and clarity and resolution was so insane I honestly had to ask the guy giving me the demo if I was looking at some crazy high res 360 degree video or photo or something I mean, I could I could literally stand in front of this virtual rack of cds and books and read the texts along the spine No differently to as if I was standing in front of a real shelf full of cds and books You could look down at the like chips in the wood grain on a workbench Or there was another demo actually I had in a like an outdoor environment where it was raining and I could I could Watch the raindrops hit the floor and and see the tiny ripples in the water that that they would cause when they hit it I'm not kidding. I mean, it's just not like anything I've seen before It felt like upgrading from the first iphone straight to an iphone 7 or something like No joke if anyone listening ever gets a chance to try it the vario headset Make the make the journey go and try it out. It really is insane Anyway, that'll that'll do it for me. I think I've been looking at Huawei's folding phone as well And and all the new stuff that's been coming out of mwc And I'm going to talk about that on text message later in the week But if you have any questions about anything at the show that you've seen announced Feel free to let me know on twitter or you know, just ask tarman sarah to pass the message along Maybe I can record something else for you tomorrow. Incidentally, I did today see a robotic cat litter tray That i'm sure sarah will be very excited about from a south korean company Where the there's a robotic arm that automatically cleans the litter away into a handy little tray And even sends you updates via an app About how many times your cat has been in the tray and how much the cat weighs and how many times it's um Well, you know Done it's done its work Uh in there. It was It was special. Let's let's put it that way. Um, anyway back to you guys. Thank you date I think I saw that same thing at ces. I bet those people are in a lot of these uh these conferences Uh in in relation to that hollow lens to information and again Thanks to natelangston from text message natelangston.com slash podcast if you want to get that Thinness in south africa pointed out that unreal engine has powered several architect rendering software Packages to visualize homes during the design stage all the way back to unreal engine too So that could be a use for tim sweeney and the hollow lens and an emt field training officer andy and melwaukee said that While 3,500 may sound expensive This is orders of magnitude more affordable than the current solution he uses with sim mannequins And the hollow lens too sounds pretty tempting for field training for emergency medical technicians So thank you andy for that and thank you patrick beija for joining us today What do you got going on to tell folks about? 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We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern 21 30 utc you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live back tomorrow with the aforementioned scott johnson Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Time and club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Uh, we went over we did we did It's just the two of us and we talked too much I blame roger. Uh, you guys started a little late like a minute late two minutes late, so That's all that it looks. Yeah I'm I'm gonna rush away. Okay. Thank you for being on the show Good night Patrick. Tom. It's it looks like you had something you wanted to tell me Oh, I was gonna ask you what our titles should be but oh, well, okay. I'll I'll let you all decide this Surprised me Okay, that will be the title. That's a try to you Right guys. All right. Thanks, Patrick. All right. Uh, it's a battery with a phone in it It'll weigh down your pants Uh nation of voluntary surveillance Uh the phone that's a brick and keeps going and going and going Uh microsoft switching it up. That's a good one like that Leaders we have pints Uh, we need a bigger pocket go always good dev a jaws illusion in here binge your k-pop Um A nation of proprietary measurements Apple music comes google home. That's clever Surprised me. Thank you. Do these guys want? Uh, I don't know. What do you guys like? I like uh We need a bigger pocket Oh, really? That's the one you like Kind final pick something else. It's just because we've done the we will need a something or something So many Microsoft switching it up Yeah, I like that one. You like that one. All right. Is that the one you secretly wanted but hope someone else would pick Pick that one roger. I had no I had a bunch of different ones that I like but that's the one I like the most so I would have gone with something else if you'd like something else It's just the I definitely when I saw and no no offense amos. It had to be put in there because amos put it in there Um, it did have to be in there. It had to be in there but As soon as I saw it i'm like, oh, we're not picking that one. So So that is like it's a show without merit It's a show illusion of choice See, no, no, you could choose you chose the only one that I felt that away about that's why I was like really I'm here for you guys Um, anyway I just I just feel like we've done that one a bunch. That's all Uh, I Microsoft switching it up works for me. I'm good All right, so here's the uh, alcohol use chart that I got from the Lancet for 2018 Oh, you were you're this is what you were doing during the show I especially liked it. Um, there used to be how I haven't denied it yet Yeah, there used to be a trend of patrick and tom like having these little mini arguments before the show Like having some contentious issue that nobody thought would be contentious and they started talking about it And now patrick was on and he and he didn't have an opinion either way, but tom and roger were going at it Right has to be somebody, right? Yeah So this is the chart of drinking prevalence not alcoholism, right? Well, no one has a rate But alcoholism specifically these are the number of people in our country that are alcoholic Everything that's listed is prevalence of drinking and how much they drink Uh per year per cap I would argue that's not that doesn't that doesn't help me arrive At my point No, I understand. Oh, yeah I I did but I can't I don't you can't find that and I'm not saying Looking up the uh, the sort of the the amount of drinking in eastern europe I could be I could easily see europe as a whole Overinducting the united states on that but all right, we'll keep looking We want to learn And by my whole point was though that a lot of the quirks about the united states could be explained by selection bias Oh, I still stand by that where if you if you have to be a certain kind of person to have wanted to come here In its early days, right? You had you had to want to risk The ocean voyage or you were forced into it because you were for some reason considered Uh undesirable. Well, I mean georgia was uh a penal colony. It was a penal colony Obviously slaves were brought here against their will Um because of racism and obviously there were That were brought here against their will because they were poor But it was the only way to pay their debts. So I'm not saying that we're certain people that fled Uh, yeah, yeah flood persecution or religious persecution. There's all kinds of reasons I'm not saying everybody that came here was an alcoholic. I'm just saying you would have you might have a Uh, a higher than normal level of that in a population just because of those various biases Or it might be you look like you need a drink But uh, I according to the chart the the people that drink regularly are are At least in western europe or spain britain france No, now tom on that same on the along that same line of thinking would australia have a similar correlation with their You know, it skates really close to saying something unintentionally offensive. So so i'm trying to be real careful I think the thing that you can safely say is the types Uh, the cultural the socioeconomic status the the makeup of the people who are allowed or forced to go to a place during colonization Could have some some traits selected like accidentally selected for certain traits It gets dangerous when you try to say who those people are and what those traits are, right? Yeah, right, but but I think that I I wonder if somebody's done studies on that to say like, hey There was a higher incidence of manic depressives being shipped to australia and the united states because They caused trouble and people just were like, yeah put them sentence them to shipment Uh, or transportation. That's what the sentence them to transportation And then you have a higher level of of of people with that particular illness in the in the colonial country I don't know This is a good day internet is for if you are a sociology major and you need a new thesis Yeah, right Or you are like, oh no five people already wrote that one Well, the difficulty is like the people didn't have those as Like people weren't rated as oh, you're a manic depressive back in like In the yeah, it's hard to find the data, right? So and not to mention like not everyone that came over Maybe an unanswerable question was was forced to a lot for example at one point in time That doesn't matter that doesn't matter it's because i'm not saying everybody that came over Was forced to i'm saying there might you might if you had perfect data You might find a higher incidence of people because often folks were Forced to colonize to get them out of the country But then the people who weren't forced roger I think you there's some interesting things to discover there were their personality traits that made them more likely to voluntarily I was probably at least in for the Spanish Spanish colonialism It often tended to be second or third sons Because the way that hereditary law worked the eldest son got everything right So if you wanted to be something you're the second or third son Which actually coincided with the ban on abortion by the the roman catholic church around the same time So you had a lot more kids That I mean that I again i'm not presupposing that I know the answer and I don't think I don't think you are Either but that's the kind of thing to look at like how many second and third sons went was that their motivation? Or were they also just adventurous people? I'm curious about that Um, I'm not asking the right questions and not assuming you know the answer Have you have you heard of the book? I think it's called guns and germs or germs and guns Yeah, uh a lot of those correlations Not specifically causations, but a lot of those correlations correlations were Drawn through the research in that book as well Ideology, there's I read that book. I read that book back when I lived in austin It's an interesting book some people um I mean like for anyone who is not familiar the the book The book's thesis is that Europe ended up the way it did at least in terms of wealth because of certain inherent geographical Limitations that allowed You know, basically the development of technology, but also, uh immune system that could fight off certain diseases And of course agrarian culture that allowed them to raise food without being dependent on a hunter gather methodology Right, it tries to put some reason in the rhyme of human development in western Yeah, why western civilization ended up the way it did because china Pretty much outdistance everybody over most of early history, but yeah, but then they got full of themselves in the sense of closing themselves off I could say that Yeah, they they literally were like dude. No, we're not going to infect ourselves with all these barbarian cultures So close the doors and pull up the gate All right, uh, well video folks. Thanks for watching Uh, I hope you enjoyed the show and Sarah will be back tomorrow Scott Johnson will be with us tomorrow and you will be with us tomorrow audio folks stick around there's more to come