 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa. Now let's go straight to the papers and see what major stories making the headlines this morning. We're going to be joining a bit by Demola Kingbola the publisher of the podium media But we're starting this morning with the punch newspapers, which should be in your screen in just a few seconds And we will be going through these papers. There you have it. It says Igboho's extradition Baratay Push's move activists team Um meets Bene's officials fights process How Igboho escaped lured back to airport by travel agent arrested on return further government more active and arresting peaceful agitators than bandits declares a fennefer Pan death akin to your led further government working with terrorists and promoting ethnic cleansing Also on the punch OPEC agreement Nigeria to raise oil production And also prayers against insecurity dominate Salla as Nigerians celebrate We can also find here NCC facilitated e-transmission in 2019 officials deserve prosecution And power generation falls below 4,000 megawatts amid gas transmission problems Still on the punch this morning Why ex-permanent secretaries and others must return mismanaged one trillion Naira. That's from the senate Potacket refinery will deliver product september 2022 says the NNPC And the national assembly says we're not in a hurry to transmit PIB to Buhari Landlord killed as two-story building under construction collapses in Lagos 10 killed in quara salad day crash of alleged speed violation And um, well, what else can we find on the punch this morning? We don't have where to go. We wouldn't relocate or go flood Plain residents are speaking All right, that's what we have in the punch this morning. Oh really big stories there on the punch Let's look at the Guardian newspaper now uncertainty trails Iboho's arrest in Kotenu 20 days after dss raid That's on the Guardian us urged to impose visa ban on anti-pole electronic collision senators Don't criminalize opposing views and LC cushions federal government cholera claims 13 lives in Chigawa How federal government plans to boost exports at 50 billion Naira ASP funding Those are the stories we're looking at on the Guardian All right, moving on to the daily son Aftermath of arrest in Kotenu confusion over Sunday Iboho's whereabouts Lawyers move to forestall Kano treatment sets to frustrate his extradition Grant him and Kano amnesty as Boko RAM insurgents la Georgia tells federal government And also federal government pursuing peace without justice on Sunday Iboho and Kano and that's from mohanese Anambra, we wouldn't allow intruders hijack abga and that is from Isioka and and Iboho Amnesty office begins training of ex agitators on effective communications Idelka beer olive branch abdus salami warns bandits tells them to repent and raise peace Sultan and governor's task leaders on selfless service and peace and unity 2023 you can't win presidency Tells PD or you can't win presidency tells PDP says opposition party nursing force dream And also Nigerians leverage 50 billion Naira NAPC facility to boost non-oil exports Let's look. Um, finally after Nigerian tribune the headline reads Iboho changed Chained like animal in Kotenu lawyer alleges May appear in court today a fenniferry middle bed forum on nezzy Ozecoma blasts FG provide details on how Kano was arrested UK tells FG Also on the Nigerian tribune above the headline Anambra poll PDP accuses judge of hiding case file judgments to frustrate appeal Once NJC achieve judge to intervene Electoral acts amendment PDP reps caucus blames presiding officers for not inviting INEC Don't criminalize social dialogue NLC cushions federal government polite of Nigerians under Buhari government falls below expectation That's according to the TUC Still above the headline here on the Nigerian tribune After 42 days bandits 300 kidnapped victims in Zamfara Too cute as Amotecu hoodlums battle in Ibadan 10 die in auto crash in Quarra below the headlines we can see Statesmen here celebrates in the Idel Cabri and PDP alleges Buhari's self-succession plot of the president's remark on 2023 I think those are the stories we're looking at this morning. Time to say good morning So I guess Mr. Adim Mola. I can Mola. Good morning. Thank you for joining us Thanks for having me around here today Fantastic. When we take a look at the headlines on all the national dailies We see that the arrest of Sunday Buhu is, you know, the top story People are basically criticizing the presidency saying that they basically Attack peaceful agitators. They arrest them while bandits and the Boko ramen surgeons are freed The lawyers are alleging that Buhu was chained like an animal Court case to begin today You know, the federal the UK is reacting asking the federal government to provide details on how Kanu was arrested Just so many criticism for the federal government Regarding the arrest of Ibuhu. What's your reaction to this? Well, it's a bit cloudy as things are now because as we speak the DSS hasn't issued any statements The federal government hasn't said a word about this and you begin to wonder who arrested Ibuhu And on whose instruction? Okay, and for which offense? Right, it's safe to assume that okay It was it was it was arrested on the basis of the fact that it was declared one pet But it will have been nice for DSS issues statement to clarify all of this I would say that The question to ask the federal government is what exactly is the end game here Kanu Ibuhu What do you want to achieve by hunting these guys? Just as people have said bandits criminal they're walking the street free They're busy destroying lies destroying property and nothing has to be done So what exactly do we want to achieve? Okay, and just like the NSE has said the federal government should stop criminalizing peaceful agitation It is within the right of every citizen to agitate to protest Okay, and so far we haven't heard that Ibuhu has caused any violent protest or that Is that all or he has he has mobilized Is his supporters to be violent So we need to ask the federal government. What exactly are you trying to achieve here? Okay, so that's for me. It's something that we need to talk about What what you want to arrest him? Okay trying okay at the end of the day If you arrest 100 Ibuhu's or 100 Kanu's that does not stop Nigerians from agitating for a better Um, society. Okay, and all of these are signs and symptoms of a society that is broken That is fragmented it are signs of the fact that Nigerians have lost In a nation called Nigeria. They've lost up in the federal government So there are so many things the federal government should be doing at this time That will make life better for Nigerians rather than haunting people who are going about Um protesting peacefully. So for me, it's an energy destruction that the federal government can do without It's a destruction But right now let us wait for an official statement from DJ says To tell us exactly was this on your instruction Okay, did you ask them to arrest him based on if it was the club wanted and all these stories that we are hearing for now I believe they are still at the realm of conjecture As long as there's no official statement I know by Nigerian government or by the government in the republic Is difficult for anybody to respond in a way That will bring clarity around this issue. All right. Um still on this on the same issue Two angles. I want you to quickly look at there are the ratay Angle there's people who have mentioned, you know, his influence as of course Ambassador in the code of war and then also the Those who have also mentioned that, you know, it was arrest might cause some friction between the north and the southwest Are there are these things important to look at? Yes, of course Brutal is just to manage how The Nigerian security services will definitely push for interest related but also There are international conventions. There are international laws that guide things like this and apparently the government in Penang Republic will not like To be seen in the light that the Kenyan government is being seen. So I see a lot of diplomatic Moves being embarked upon put by Nigerian government and by the government of of of Penang Republic and again just like you said This is coming at a time That we almost lost one of our pilots one of our fighter pilots, right? and the question is When did the insurgents or how did they become so powerful? To the point that they can shoot Our helicopters just are very serious issues. Okay, if it gets to a state where Air force pilots are no longer safe When they go on their mission against terrorists Then we need to begin to access it Who is i mean historicity to the point that they are beginning to stand to to I mean with the federal government, right? So on each of you boo, I expect the federal government to push that's within the right But again, we need clarity Okay, the for me the entire process is it's it's Sharder the mystery sharing so much secrecy We need a statement either from the government of the republic or for the federal government of Nigeria To tell us as to what's going on so that all these speculations go is very least always That all of this should come to an end Yeah, okay So in the midst of all this insecurity, we still have the ruling all progressives congress, you know show You know lots of confidence that they will you know still hold power In 2023 we have a statement here. It's on the daily sun The headline reads 2023 you can't win presidency You can't win presidency tells pdp and We hear we hear gaba show who telling the opposition that they're nursing a full stream But the pdp has responded saying their comments max of a plot For self-succession Could we get your opinion regarding this gaba show who he's saying that the president President Muhammad al-Buhari enjoys unshakable support in his hometown home town and across the country Do you think this is the reality that the president enjoys unshakable support? And that the masses will never abandon president buhari's leadership and the apc come 2023 these are Quotes from gaba shoe I'm more concerned by the fact that the apc is insensitive. This is not the time to talk about We are going to be win this election That statement is ill timed Is it is grossly irresponsible on the part of the apc Nigerians concern today is security Okay, security and a better quality of life All right Who wins the election is a matter for the electorate to decide when the time comes In 2023 that is if the vote who can't again Okay, and that just shows you that for politicians the only thing that matters to them is to win elections Lives are being lost. They are not interested It's renting Legos two days ago. Everywhere was flooded. They are not interested Okay The price of goods and services as caros as carocating. They are not interested Okay, and statements like this put a neck under undue pressure If you're willing government says you cannot win. How did you know? So for me it it's it's it's just sandbite that we need done with our time on it's an irresponsible thing to say The timing is grossly It is wrong timing and it is symptomatic of the insensitivity that Nigerian politicians have come to To be known for over the years okay, so So it's it's not There's also something on the punch this morning that says power generation falls below 4000 megawatts as Amid the gas transmission problems 2021 miss akim Wala. We still have these issues pretty much same with where we were in 97 It doesn't seem like a lot has changed with regards, you know generation of power and being able to properly utilize the gas resources that we have in Nigeria You talked about 1997 Have you forgotten the song by fella in the 70s? Lighting come on the fight water, you know the light We are not making any progress because I can't even see any plan In terms of power generation, I cannot see any plan that is being followed Okay If there's a plan and we and we can see that this plan is being well implemented Everybody will be offered. Okay in another two or three years. This is where we're going to most times These promises are empty When comment officials say in in two years time we increase in this 2001 let us ask them where is the plan? Where is the plan to achieve that? It's not enough to do to announce goals or objectives Where is the plan? Okay, and if our generation falls at this time it shows that Nobody is really in charge Everybody is busy doing politics. Everybody busy chasing car and chasing the bull Nobody is interested in how this will be achieved And whoever is in charge of our generation, we need to ask them where is the blueprint? Where's the blueprint? Okay, do you think is a problem that we do you think is a problem that you know the electorate The national assembly and the government itself doesn't have particular standards with which they They govern they don't set particular goals, you know for each office You know a minister doesn't have a particular goal or a target that he wants to reach In four years or eight years of being there. So, you know, you have a person being one position as a minister And after eight years nothing changes with regards electricity generation or anything and they go and we call them x minister Yeah, exactly Every government that has come into office in Nigeria They have they have operated based on empty promises Nothing like key performance indicators. Nothing like targets deliverables. Okay, even where they are announced Nobody is holding them accountable And that comes down to the electorate you and I We're going to gloss over these issues again 23 we're going to elect them and the cycle continues Okay, we are not holding them accountable So a minister promises this he doesn't deliver and life goes on All right Our minister comes makes a promise. He doesn't deliver life goes on But the bulk stops on the table. Mr president If you have cabinet members who are not delivering who are not performing up to the expectation You ask them to leave But that is not happening in Nigeria. Nigeria is the only place where we reward failure service In in public service will reward failure Okay, some service chiefs did not deliver. We ask them to go and reward them them with ambassadorial positions So Nigeria rewards failure. Nigeria encourages failure. If a minister does not perform I don't want to get there You you you just you just go to continue that tradition of non-performance So we're not holding them accountable The national assembly is not I mean we've said that there's a return We do not even have a national assembly. What we have is just a garden of overfaith lawmakers Who are more interested in what gets to them? We do have a national assembly They have committees that should provide oversight functions. What are they doing? Nothing They're more interested in collecting contracts from the processors under their ministries. Nothing has been done You've been I'm sure you've been watching the Dr. Fauci Drilling by the U. S. Senate Yeah, that's that's probably very likely what you're describing here that you would expect from our national assembly It it it will never happen Nigeria and if it happens it's just be a challenge. It's just it's just be For the cameras. Okay. Remember NGDC Was the LEDC or last year so much noise about national assembly pro what has happened Nothing They go there. They make so much noise behind the same. They go to negotiate. They settle lawmakers and life goes on Okay, so we The power belongs to the people the day we realize that with the electorate we hold the power That is going Nigeria will be liberated As soon as we I mean as long as we allow lawmakers as long as we allow those guys that do not care about Our interests as long as we allow them to decide The direction that this country will go will not make any progress power belongs to the people everywhere all over the world power belongs to the people The ballot box is the most powerful weapon of expecting change When are we going to start using this power in the right way? Okay, when are we going to have use we would reject Gift so that they could vote according to their conscience So if we blame the leaders if we blame them for not performing let us blame followers for not holding leaders accountable 50 50 we are all in this together. We've all been responsible for where Nigeria is today If you blame the leaders blame yourself as a follower What have you done? What have I done? Nothing basically nothing So miss akimala on the on the daily um on the guardian there's a story that reads us urged To impose visa ban on anti-poll electronic coalition senators That story is repeated also on I think the Nigerian Tribune So basically there's a group that's saying that There's about 50 52 senators that voted no to electronic transmission of results that you know The u.s. Should deny them visas Do you think this is one way that you know we can begin to you know get? Accountability from our lawmakers or do you think there's other ways we can do this? So as a person that that call is not it's not reasonable because These lawmakers they reserve the right to vote for against a particular bill What is more important is is for INEC? Okay to put to the world that it is truly independent With what has happened national assembly concerning electoral act I think we should just rename INEC and remove that independent from its name because it is not independent any longer All right, so even if the lawmakers they reserve the right to vote for or against any bill But the direction of the debate is what bothers me The kind of debate that those guys go through it is funny It is it's funny in 21st century in Nigeria. We are debating whether we have electronic transmission of a sort or not It it's it's it's um before So Misty, do you think that INEC is helpless in the face of all these laws and votes on whether it should transmit results electronically and whether it's truly independence Can INEC go to court? That's something that we've been talking about in recent time INEC is not powerless Unfortunately, does INEC even realize the power that it holds By the status that set up INEC does INEC realize the influence and the extent of its own power? That has a question. I'm not sure it does INEC of course can go to court It can go to court because you also have to look at the reality on grant I like electronic transmission of results. Is this workable in Nigeria? Okay, is this something that the structure the telecommunications structure we have in Nigeria today can it really sustain it? Okay, so as desirable as it is, is this practical? You could you go to some places in Nigeria. There is no network All right and electronic transmission Should not be something that will spend so much time and effort discussing if the afrit and the coefficient is honest And it's patriotic Okay, these are things that we shouldn't be discussing at all So as desirable as it is, we need to ask ourselves is it practical In your village, is there network 24 hours of the day? When it rains, what happens? So do that before now Without INEC Transplantation is not manually in some cases. This is done seamlessly So which means that the mode of transmission is not a problem The problem here is the attitude and dependability of the official involved Even with electronic transmission, those who will rig will rig That is that that that the statute of Nigeria Rigging has moved from even collision But even when you announce results A candidate can go to court and a court can upset everything So the entire electoral process needs to be refilled The attitudes of those who have managed the process needs needs to be refilled Everybody everybody like I said earlier on with his mind Trusted let's move this country forward Whatever bit that has been assigned to you do it well Someone says discipline is what to do when no one is watching you. All right So when are we going to have officials with conscience good enough to do the writing But a manual or electronic transmission of results That for me it is it is it's the more important issue. Yeah Well, finally, I think you can just use about 30 seconds to respond to the salami who is warning bandits And telling them to repent and embrace peace Let's ask epsilon to warn the federal government to allow justice to rain They can't make peace if there's no justice Okay, he should be talking to the president to allow justice to win the country He should be as the government to allow equity with justice fairness. All right Let every region in the country feel That they have this sense of belonging If you have a federation the federation unit must be well Brief of what's going on and the most the kind are known and everybody must feel contented As long as people are not happy Manifestly policies are skewed towards a classification of the country. You can't have peace It is you can't if you are like I said at the beginning if you arrest 100 sunday bulls and 100 cannons The agitations will continue If you continue and when you try to criminalize Peaceful protest that you are actually challenging people who are encouraging them to become violent I would not preach violence as you know support violence But there are better ways of managing these issues than the way the federal government is going about it Why don't you invite cannon and the bull and their team? Invite them to a live Debate or a live negotiation and let's all agree on both of the demands Look at NSAS Long list of demands. How many have we met? All right, so demola king baller. Thank you so much for your time this uh, once and more. Thank you Truly appreciate it for you Once again Okay, so we'll take a break here to go back in time and I'm going back to the year 2012 And uh, this uh, what was so much relate to the story we talked about today regarding Jeff Bezos going out of space Yes, it is We'll be back after the short break