 I am Gene Dinkins Jr. I serve as chair for the board and I'll be serving as chair for today's meeting. At this time I'd like to introduce the other members of the board. To my left is Marcellus Primus, to my right is Catherine Finner, John Gignard, and Celia McIntosh. Okay, we'd also like to introduce the staff that assist the board. We've got Hope Hastie, the zoning administrator, Erica Hyen, deputy zoning administrator, and Skye Robinson Barnes. The board is charged with hearing applications for special exceptions, variances, and administrative appeals. All testimony is recorded for the record, and anyone wishing to speak will need to be sworn in and come to the podium to speak. No testimony can be taken from the floor. When you come to the podium, please state your name and please speak clearly into the microphone because this meeting is being recorded. Members with cases before the board are allotted a presentation time of ten minutes. This time does not include any questions asked by the board or staff regarding the case. Any member of the public may address the board in intervals of three minutes or five minutes if by a spokesperson for an established body or group of three or more. The applicant then has five minutes for rebuttal. The board reserves the right to amend these cases, excuse me, the board reserves the right to amend these procedures on a case-by-case basis. All right, those of you who plan to speak must be sworn. So if you're here as an applicant or here to speak in any case, please stand at this time and raise your right hand. Again, if you're an applicant or would like to speak in any case, please stand at this time. Okay. Do you affirm or attest that the testimony you will give today is the truth and nothing but the truth? Okay. Thank you. All right, at this time, we'll turn the meeting over to staff. Good afternoon. We'll start with the consent agenda. And the first item on the consent agenda is the approval of the June 2, 2022 minutes. Next item on the consent agenda is 3619 Duncan Street. It is 2020-0024-V, variance to the side yard setback standard for an addition. The second item on the consent agenda is 2022-0025-SE, 1326 Bush River Road, a special exception request to permit a warehouse use. And the third item on the consent agenda, or the fourth item, sorry, is 2022-0026-V, 1716 Ogden Street, the variance request to the maximum fence height standard. At this time, does anyone, would anyone like to remove a case from the consent agenda? And I'll add that goes for the public as well. All right, don't see any, so at this time, let's ask for a motion, please. I make a motion to approve the consent agenda subject to staff comments. Thank you. All right, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right, very good. Motion passes. Okay. Moving to the regular agenda, we only have one item on the regular agenda this afternoon. It's 2022-0027-SE, 2312 Liberty Street, and it's a request for a special exception to establish a daycare facility. And the applicant is here to speak. Okay. Good afternoon. Please state your name. Yes. My name is Tynetta Thomas, and we are wanting to start a daycare center at 2312 Liberty Street. It's a family-owned property. It will be fully regulated by DSS. They have to approve everything that goes on from how many kids allow, the structure of the inside, the structure of the outside, the playground, the parking, everything is regulated by DSS. It will only be from the hours of about 7 a.m. to 6 p.m., Monday through Friday, no weekends. The children will only be in the backyard, nobody in the front yard. Parking, it's already like a two-car parking garage there or parking carport. We plan on removing that carport and the tree next to it to extend that for employee parking. As far as drop-off and pick-up, they'll be able to park behind employee cars as well as right in front there to just be like quick two-minute drop-off or pick-up. There is a speed bump right below the outside of the fence, so traffic is fairly slow doing at that area. I don't know. Okay. Well, thank you for coming and thank you for your testimony. So the application has 13 criteria which we're asked to judge the case on. In fact, we can only grant approval for the special exception if it's been proved that we can meet these criteria. So I didn't see as a part of the packet where you answered these questions. Is it included? Hope? Do you know? Have you seen the answers? I don't have specific questions. I mean, sorry. Answers to the criteria. To the criteria. So we have two options in order to move forward because, again, that's what we're asked. So I guess we have two options. We could talk about them now. You could run through them. We don't have to read the questions. You could just go one through 13. Or if you need more time to think about it, we could defer the case until next month and you could submit it. I looked at it. Very good. I didn't know that you answered. We do. We have to have that because those are the criteria that were asked to judge the case based upon. So we have to have answers to these. I signed. I thought my signature was saying that. Sure. If you look closely, it says on a separate piece of paper, please describe how the proposed use complies. So we just asked you, if you just start with, you can just say number one and just give us a couple of cents paragraph as ammunition, if you will, for why we should approve this special exception request. So I guess as long as you guys approve it, it will be in compliance with the zoning district. You know, that's up to you guys, I believe. Number two, the complies with all applicable use specific standard in article four. Yeah, it's all, it all be regulated by DSS. So if that's under the use regulations, then it won't be messing with any neighbors. As far as the traffic at number three, it'll be very, like I said, slow traffic, it staggered drop off and pick up because it's as the parents go to work or get off work. Number four, adequate provisions are made for parking. I told you guys that we'll be expanding the parking area. Number five, central adverse, there will be no noise lights, maybe children playing in the backyard at a lot of times. I can provide the neighborhood with my schedule at that time. If anybody wants that to know exactly when the kids will be outside and they'll only be in the backyard. It's a commercial property right behind this property. So it won't be interfering with residential neighbors. Number six, yeah, if anything, it'll improve the aesthetic character of the area because we'll be repainting the outside and, you know, making it look as nice as possible for a business there. So it'll be improvements to there. There will be no nuisance. It is just everybody, everything will be indoors except for outside play. It'll only be a few employees, myself, and about two or three other employees. So it's not like a huge facility. DSS, they have to measure the square footage of the home as well as the rooms inside, and they'll give us a lot of students that will be able to accept. So it won't be 20 plus that is not allowed. Yeah, it won't be detrimental to the, like I said, if anything, it'll be an improvement to the neighborhood. Again, that's all up to you, to you all. I believe it's appropriate. I believe it'll be an asset to the neighborhood is a lot of kids in that neighborhood and, you know, anything that we can do to help the community want to start it will be, you know, we'll be willing to do that as far as, you know, even during the summer times, if we have abundance of food because the meals are provided, they have grants and stuff provided by the state and government. So if we have an abundance of food and the neighborhood children or anybody in the neighborhood needs it, we'll, you know, we'll be supplying that instead of throwing it away, you know. It's definitely compatible with the character. We'll not have an adverse impact on land values, if anything, because of commercial property there to increase their assets and the properties of their homes. I would hope it doesn't adversely affect the public entrance. We are looking to help the community, not bringing down in any way. We want to provide childcare for a neighborhood that is not, it does not have a lot of childcare in that neighborhood. It's a church daycare like around the corner, but it's no small daycares in that area. So it's like, you know, so we want to help as much as possible. We don't want to be cost trouble for anyone. Well, thank you for running through those. I know it's kind of a pain, but we have to get those on record because those are the criteria that we're asking just the case on. So I appreciate you taking the time and giving us your thoughtful answers. Thank you very much. So at this time, let's, let's ask some questions. Any specific questions for the alphabet? I mean, the obvious question is definitely the number of children that you would have, which equates to the number of cars. Because that's usually the biggest sticking point is, you know, somebody isn't thoughtful and blocks the neighbor's driveway. And that's right. Right. So this property, it has a long fencing area. So it won't be blocking neighbors' driveway at all. As far as the exact number of children, unfortunately, this is the first step for DSS before they come out and do anything. So they haven't measured. So I can't give you an exact number of children, but I would say a minimum of 13 and a maximum of about 20, 21 kids. And it'll be a staggered drop off time. So it'd be parents come in at different times. It'll never be like a backup of traffic. Daycare? No, none in the neighborhood at all. Like I said, the church, there's a church they provide daycare for the area. But that's, it's not on the same road. It's not in the neighborhood directly, but it's not far. But there's no small like in home daycares or anything in the area. And I surveyed the neighbors on Liberty Street going all the way on this specific street and up past the stop sign. And most neighbors are okay with it. I did get a one rebuttal, but then she said that she didn't think it was safe because of traffic and she believes it should be a sidewalk there. But the children, they won't be in the front at all. And I believe a sidewalk there would be more of a hindrance. Since we're talking about the cars and stuff, I think that would be an adverse effect, that's more than a positive effect. But like I said, the children will all be in the backyard at times of play. And outside of times of play, they'll be inside the home. In the, right on Liberty Street, what is that where there's a tree? There's a light colored thing. Is that a parking area or what is that? All right, yes ma'am, that's the parking, that's the parking that is now. That's the car park you're talking about. And then we're going to even expand that more. I see. Yeah, because it's like that parking area, it already fits two cars there. But it's a carport. Without that carport, another car can even get there. So we plan to remove that carport so that it'll be enough room for all employees to park inside the yard. So employees won't have to park on the street at all. Will there be enough room for people to pull off the road to drop their children off? Yes ma'am, so they'll be able to come all the way up and then the cars can park behind the employees' cars as well. Okay, okay. What ages are the children that you anticipate? From one to four. One to four. Do you have a fenced in yard here? Yes, yes sir, it's completely fenced in, and then we plan to put a privacy fence on the back as well. Okay, good, good. What is the business behind you? It's nothing, it's like it was a old car wash or something, so now it's just a vacant lot. Do you have staff identified already or and how many do you propose you think you'll need? So it'll be myself and at least two other teachers and then there will be a director. So there'll be about four staff. The director, she's been working in childcare for 20 plus years. She's an older woman and so she has lots of experience and she'll be working hand in hand with myself. But I wanna, I could be the director, but I'd rather be hands on with the children, at least for the start. So I'll hire her to come on to oversee things because I don't wanna be double booked trying to teach and oversee. Have you ever done this before? Work with children or I haven't owned a today care before, but I've worked with children for a long time. I have a psychology degree, so I did a lot of child site concentration while I was in school. And then all of my internships was with children, from working with children with autism to disadvantaged youth in their neighborhoods. And since then I was a director over after school program with Big Blue Marble right before COVID. I've worked at my church, daycare church, children's church type thing. And so yes, I've been working with children a long time. That's where my heart is. It sounds like you've been preparing for this for your whole life, really. Yeah. It's good. Okay, any other questions for the applicant? All right, thank you very much for your presentation. Thank you. Thank you. All right, at this time we'd like to move into the public input portion of the application. Or would any member for the public like to speak on behalf of this matter? Okay, please approach. I live at 2315 Liberty Street. That's right in front of the house. That's what I was talking about. I've lived there for 20 years. Throughout my 20 years, you're going down a hill. It's known bunk. So you get all the way down to where it stops lying at. That's where the bunk at. Up the hill, it's known bunk. But on the next block, it's a bunk. So I have noticed throughout my years there, people have, they come down that hill. It's a hill. They're flying down that hill. My problem is the hill. You know, that's a dangerous hill. I have noticed people hit people houses on that hill a couple of times. Then I hit people cars on that hill. I have noticed people hit people on that hill. It is very anxious. She's going to be on the right-hand side. I'm on the left-hand side. They're coming down that hill. And they're actually flying down that hill. When they hit that bunk, they go up. And I have noticed that so many times. That's a dangerous area to even have kids. You know, and when she's saying that the pocket space, it's only two cars can get up there in that pocket space. And the half of it is going to be on the grass. One car is going to be on the grass of it. You know, it's not a big pocket space area. With a house at, you're going to have a small pocket space area. You're going to have a car there and another car. But it's not that a lot of cars can get up in there. It's just two cars, maybe. And then you're going to rest of it and it's going to be on the street. And that hill is very dangerous. It's no pocket space. What she's going to do is to improve the house, improve the yard. I don't know. But it's going to take a lot to improve the house and the yard, you know. A lot. So that's what I want to say. Okay. Well, thank you. That's great. And I think it's too dangerous when they involve kids. You know, that's my opinion with kids and being involved. Because, you know, even if somebody might let somebody out at the garage, somebody might have their child on the street trying to get out. You know, and cars coming down. That's just dangerous. Okay. Well, thank you for your testimony. Anybody else? Good afternoon. Good afternoon. I'm Leon Corley. I live in the Colonial Heights neighborhood. And my wife and I, we purchased our home there in 1966. Wow. We're a long-term homeowner. And when we moved there, most of the residents lived there with homeowners. But, you know, some folk transition and things like that. We're still there. Now, I think this, this big hillstone would be detrimental to our community. The reason I say that, Ms. Shirley, just, you know, liberate on the hill, on Liberty Street. Be humped down in there or stop sign. And they run that a lot of times. And let me tell you what happens on Liberty Street. If you're coming from both streets, going toward 7 to 7, outfowl road. When you get, when you cross Beltline, you can't make a left turn on Marshall Street. So it's going to take you down to Liberty Street. So that's where the traffic goes now on Liberty Street. And we have no control over that. Even though we had a speedhunt, we fought 20-something years to get speedhumps. And we only had them probably five years. And a lot of cars disregard that. And so, Liberty Street is a cut-through street. Cut-through street. So we have a lot of traffic cars cutting through, you see. And when we talk about parking for the Dickel Center, like Ms. Shirley said, to the hill, or in the flat, they're going to end up parking side of the street, side of the road. And it's not enough space to get, or it will be a complete light of the road. That's an excellent way to not happen if that's located there. And also, as we deal with that, and the speeding car through there, the community does not support this special exempting, not the other value of city council person. When you get special exempting, if they get that, they can make any kind of changes. And the neighborhood would have no say so what happens. And so, we've got to deal with the parking. The parking is not sufficient. And you've got to park beside the road, and you can't get completely out of the road. Now, are you going to discharge or pick up children? That's not safe. That's not safe. I wouldn't want my child, you know, in that facility with no more provision made than that. And the fencing, the place is in disrepair now. Now, if I were coming in for you all, city council, for exemption, first of all, I would clean the place up. If I could have the support of my neighborhood, of the neighborhood, that had not happened. It's in terrible shape. It's in terrible shape. And we believe there's not enough space provided for those children to make a safe discharge, a safe interest to the cause when the family come to pick them up. So, there will be an increase in noise. All that I just said earlier as well would be a disaster to our neighborhood. I don't want to say it all afternoon, but the neighborhood do not support this happening in our neighborhood. Well, thank you for your testimony. We appreciate it. Thank you. Hello, my name is Councilman Ed McDowell. And of course, the subject matter that we're talking about today is in my district. And of course, one of the things that I do when there are issues, whether it's zoning or any other issues, what I try to do is to visit every one of the sites just to make sure that things are in order. What I had an opportunity to do was to visit 2312 Liberty Street. And of course, I came in off of Colonial Drive. And of course, as you know, that runs up to the stop sign to Fair Road. One of the things I decided to do was to not only look at the topography of the property, but also to see what kind of traffic was going through that piece through Liberty Street, either coming from Colonial to Farrow or Farrow to Colonial. And I observed that there were an inordinate number of cars going through there. One of the things that I also observed at the property is that it sits in a dip. And of course, it would not allow, in my estimation, a number of cars to come on whether or not you're handing off kids into the center, creating a log jam, a log jam. If you're coming off Colonial this way and you stop there, there is a gated area there. There is a vacant lot on the backside. There is a large seated steps going straight up. It just does not seem like a way and a conducive way to bring children into an environment where there may be some harm, perhaps, to take place. Please understand this note. We are all open for business. We love small businesses. No question about it. But we do not want to put our children in perhaps a situation where harm could possibly occur on that street. It is there are no sidewalks there, either side. There is one speed hump at the very end of that street. I don't see any obvious parking there. So as I support the Columbia Heights, Colonial Heights community in their resistance to this project. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Councilman McDowell, could you, I have a question for you if you wouldn't mind. So we've heard from the applicant that she is going to demolish some stuff in the front yard. And she's not doing it yet because she doesn't have the approvals, right? So she has a chicken and egg problem, as you can imagine. Now, when you were over there looking at the site, did you see if she demolished that carport in the front, did that not give enough room? Her testimony is that it would be giving enough room. In my estimation, and I'm not an architect of any sort, but just in my rudimentary estimate, it would not give enough space for safety purposes. Are there any traffic calming measures that you as the city council person could recommend to, it sounds like this is a pretty bad cut through just in general? Well, one of the things, of course, this is an exception. This is not in our wheelhouse. If it was a zone, a change in the zoning issues, it would be in our wheelhouse. Sure. We would probably look at some, and I think the basic criteria, the questions that you asked, of course, it would certainly be good to see those in written form just to make sure and to ensure if it were a zone in issues to make sure that we looked at those issues, and we looked at them forensically to make sure that we were doing the right thing. So if I hear you correctly, the biggest concern you have is the concerns are traffic and parking. Well, traffic and parking and the safety of the safety of kids. I heard the applicants say that there are a lot of kids there with one speed hump there, and that's at the very end of the street. I find it a little bothersome, especially if you're coming off of Colonial, because it sort of does this as you approach the property. It could very well involve a traffic jam there, unloading kids into the proposed center, I think. If they could, if it is possible, I mean, I don't know, I haven't seen the site, and I don't have a really good site plan to look at. If it were possible for all of the unloading and loading and unloading to happen off the street, then I guess that throws it back to you as a city council person to propose any traffic coming to just slow down the general flow of traffic through there. Would that not be? Yeah, one of the things that I would critically ask is that engineers come out and look at that piece of property to see topographically if it's the right age in terms of coming off of the Colonial Drive side. Because when you come off the Farrell Road side, it's relatively kind of goes up like this, Colonial Drive drops down. In my estimate, the persons who live in that area know this better than I, of course, because they've been residents there. But if it was in my preview, of course, I'm siding with the residents. Well, we do have an email that we got with a petition signed by how many, I don't have it in front of me, how many were there who signed the petition? Five or six residents of Liberty Street who do support the project. Would I support it? No, no, there are five or six residents who sent us a, we've got an email petition, a letter in support, signed by five or six of the residents of the area who just aren't here today. On Liberty Street. On Liberty Street, correct. Let's be careful not to get into board discussion. Yeah, yeah. I'm starting to get enough information here. But I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Okay. I appreciate your testimony very much and appreciate you attending the meeting today. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else like to speak? She said they have about five that signed the petition. I just wanted to show you the ones that we have the sign against it. On Liberty Street and we have High Street that's in that area and we also have Avenue Street in that area. And would you like to see? Yes. This is very, very important. Please give them to Hope. Thank you. Hope, you were not aware of these until just now. Okay. Yeah. I think we need to make sure these are a part of the record. Someone can summarize for the record what's in there after we get a chance to look at them. In fact, maybe the more appropriate thing would be to give them the Hope and let you look at them for us and just tell us briefly what's in there so we don't all look at them and so we get a feel for how many of them. You want me to read through them? I don't know about read through them but if you could just glance at them, that's right. That way we get it on the record and everyone understands because this is very important. No, not from the floor. Hang on a second, okay. Okay. So again, just for the record, we've received at least a few members of the public who have signed petitions in opposition of this request. So we're asking the zoning administrator to sort of tally them up for us so it becomes a matter of the record and to let us know what we've got here because none of us has seen this until just a second ago. It looks like 10 residents on Liberty Street. Okay. In opposition. In opposition. A four on Adams Street. 11 on Hight Street. Okay. Thank you, Hope. I think that's very important. Okay. Would any other members of the public like to speak on this matter? Please approach. All right. You've already spoken, hadn't you? All right. We'll give you just a second. Okay. No, no, no. You go ahead but I just mean, no, please approach the podium. Yes. I'm just, just pointing out that you've already had your, your time. So we want to be respectful. You came today. So just make it brief, please. Okay. Go ahead. What I want to say that where I live at coming out of here and I live on the left hand side, my house is like a slope down the headway for me to get out my driveway. Either I, most of the time I parked my car going down. So actually I have to back my car up and I have to study what's cause behind me to make sure they're not coming and going, coming and going. And she has to be out and they letting kids out on the side. I'm just letting you know. Just actually down the hill. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate your time. Thank you for coming today. Okay. Do we have any other members of the public who'd like to speak on this matter? All right. I don't see any. This time the applicant, you have five minutes or so for a bottle. If you'd like to approach and respond to some of these comments, the floor is yours. Sounds like to me that most of the issues is coming with the traffic and the parking. But if all of these community members, all of these neighbors have the same concern, then it seems to me that they would just slow down going through that area because it's only going to be drop off. And like I said, it will be in the yard. Once we remove that car porch and the tree, it will be enough for employees to park and people to park behind. But, you know, it does take a village. So if this village that opposed was just slow down, I don't see a problem outside of that because like I said, everything else would be in the home and in the backyard. One thought I had as we were listening to the testimony, most of it against this proposed special exception, if you had some sort of a site plan showing us what you proposed to do, it might help prove to the neighborhood that you could contain the children within the property and that you could park the children within the property because really we're just looking at an overhead aerial photo and though we believe your testimony, it would be nice to see it on some sort of a plan. Have you given any thought to that? I have because that's a requirement actually of DSS. Once, but like I said, zoning was just step one, but once I submit my application to start this childcare center, we actually have to have an architectural plan to submit to DSS of everything changes that would have to be made on the property. So that's a part of starting this daycare actually. I don't understand, but it may be that would help you get through a special exception request because they do bring up some valid points. I mean, from the testimony that I've heard today, I myself am not sure that the site does work, but I think if you could show us a plan that showed how you plan to contain these children on the site and how to park and to back up and to keep them out of the roadway because you're right, these traffic issues, they exist whether you're here or not, okay? But at the same time, you are here. And so if we had a plan showing carport to be demolished in a few spaces striped in front of the property, it would probably help your cause. I don't know that we have to have that, but it would help. Absolutely. So you could defer right now if you wanted to and then bring it back to us with that site plan that would show us, I think. Yeah, and my question really is if you extend that parking area, then it's still cars after drop off. I'm assuming backing back out on the Liberty, which with it being a cut through, I'm concerned that's going to create a traffic issue, which is one of the potential issues. But if you had some sort of site plan that showed some sort of circular drop off or something like that, then maybe it's a less of a... Yeah, I don't think it'll be able to make a roundabout in the, because it's just like it is a yard space outside of the parking area. But I mean, I'm okay with, you know, if it's not here, then, you know, God will leave me elsewhere. So I'm not, you know, it's for the community. So if they're opposed to it, then I mean, there's nothing I can do, you know, solving God's hands. So I understand, you know, like I said, we can do everything we can to make it a safe, but ultimately it would depend on public and, you know, how people choose to abide by the speed limits on that road. And that's something that no matter what we do, we can't control. So I mean... All right. So let's just, just to be clear then, okay. So you don't, you really don't want to go that option with maybe, you know, making a site plan and bringing that back. I mean, I can, but it just sounds like, you know, I know that for a fact that there's no way we'll be able to do a roundabout. So even with extended... I don't know that you have to have necessarily a roundabout, but John brings up a good point. The point criteria number three is the proposed special exception will not have a substantial adverse impact on vehicular traffic or vehicular and pedestrian safety. So John brings up a point. If you can't prove to us that they can't drop off the cars without doing some sort of a backup into the roadway, I do think we would have to all agree that is a substantial adverse impact on pedestrian and vehicular safety. Does somebody live there? Like, and we did live there at one point. We had the backup out. Yeah, but I think the difference here is you live in there with a residential use, which is a normal, maybe you go to work, maybe you go to the grocery store, you know, a couple of times a day versus running a daycare facility with potentially 20 children coming there. I think that's a big, I think that's a big increase. And I think that's one of the reasons why in a residential zone area like this, you have to have a special exception to do a more intensive use like this. So we will discuss it. Is there anything else you'd like to say? Certainly appreciate your testimony. I have a question. So if they were to like part, like when they come in, if they were to part like south, please, I don't know if you could give me suggestions. Right, very good. That's what you would hire either an architect or a civil engineer or someone to help you with. We're not even necessarily looking for an engineered plan or an architectural plan. It doesn't have to be stamped, sealed, signed. But I just think for the purposes of this discussion, it would help your case an awful lot if you could prove to us some of these concerns of the neighborhood that you had an idea how to mitigate them rather than just, well, I'm going to keep everyone in there and we're going to pull into the carport. I just, I'm not sure that's good enough. I think I'd like to see, what I would like to see is a drawing can be pretty crude, but kind of drawn to scale. It shows the striping for where, how many parking spaces you're going to have and where people would drop things off. And it would be possible for them to come back out somehow heading out, nose out instead of backing out if that's something that's a possibility. That's what I would want to see. So we'll just leave it to you. So here's where we are right now. We can discuss this as a board and we can vote and we'll see what happens. We don't know. We'll see what happens. Or you could defer it and take some time to try to think about how you might be able to do some things in the site to handle some of the neighborhood and board members' concerns. It's up to you. So you guys vote now? Or give you more time to work on it and come back to us at another date when you're, let's just call it a little more ready. I mean, that's no guarantee. Sometimes it may not work. It just might not be a site for it. But just wanted to, we've seen a lot of these cases. Just wanted to give you the option. If you need more time to think about this, you're welcome to it or we can discuss it and vote today. It's your call. So one question before I answer. If I was to defer, you guys are looking for the slotted parking spaces as well as a way for parents to drop off and leave out without having to back up. That's pretty specific. All we're looking for is some sort of argument that it will not have an adverse impact on vehicular traffic or pedestrian safety. And that adequate provisions are made for parking and loading and unloading. But we don't know exactly how that would be achieved. I'm saying that. However you have to do it. We don't have any real clear idea right now of whether or not you've done that. Whether or not that's possible. Right. And that's what I don't. I think it's pretty clear she hadn't, but anyway, but choice is yours. I guess more time. Okay. All right. That sounds good. All right. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Anything else today? That's all for today. All right. Do we have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Do we have a second? Second. Motion second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good luck with it. Okay. Anything else today? That's all for today. All right. Do we have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Do we have a second? Second. Motion to adjourn. Aye. All right. All right. Humble that. Very good. All right. All right. Humble that. Very good.