 Hello, everyone. Hello from Salt Lake City, the Salt Palace. It's Betsy Co here. I have Karen Lowe and Peter Roberts with me. And we're here to talk about DNA. It's day one of Roots Tech. It's been, it's my first time here. It's really, really thrilling to be here. So much going on. There really is. I've been lucky to have come to Roots Tech along with Peter a good 10 years ago. And I've been coming back so much that I wound up moving to the area for work. And so now I don't even need a room and a flight. Today we've had lots of people come up with great DNA questions coming up to the booth. And hopefully we can answer some of your questions during this session. So let's see who we have with us. We have Caleb Campbell, fellow member of the Campbell Wiki Tree Project. Oh, I love you, Caleb, because I have ancestry in Campbell County, Tennessee. So obviously we need to talk. My Lowe or Lowe, as they say in East Tennessee family, has been in East Tennessee since the 1790s. So I want to go find out how I'm related to Caleb. Oh, awesome. And Christine Miller, hi from Montana. Yeah. And Steven Tamato. It's great to see you. David Draper. I see you on G2G all the time. So glad you could join us. Hi, Vicki. How is it in down in Chile? Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Lisa Dervais from Canada. Kathy Nava. She's got to be my cousin, too. From California. Let's see, Patty Laplace. She's everybody's cousin. Because she has a CC7 of like 40 odd thousand. Appalachia Projects. All of our cousins. Kathy Bauer joining from Virginia. Barbara Rue from Massachusetts. Thank you all. And also welcome to anyone who's watching after the facts. Yes, Steven's up in Washington, and I got to ask him if he likes to transcribe in French. I'm going to say maybe not, but you know, it's worth, it's worth an ask. Great. And hello, Doris, Lenny Ape, from Indiana. I'm a native Hoosier myself. I, my father was a steelworker in Gary, Indiana. But my mother's family's been in, been since the 1740s. That's why I asked about the French. All right. Well, I am, I'm here to shoot screen, you know, screen share, whatever you want. We do have one question on the G2G post already. So would you like me to put that out? I think so. We talked, we were talking about DNA confirmations. You know, we had a question like, what do you do when you're looking at your watch list or your relatives, and you see somebody's got a suggestion, and that suggestion says, father's DNA missing confirmation. What's that all about? I do believe that on the profile, there needs to be a DNA confirmation statement. Otherwise, the, you'll get that, you'll get that flag come up. Right. There's no confirmation there. You've selected that there is a, what the DNA is telling you, but you're not, you're haven't put that statement in on the biography under like the DNA section. You have an actual confirmation statement. Right. And we can look at some trees like Peter's later where we have that information. And when it's distantly related to you, you know, you can look, you can try, you can see if you have any evidence of your own that supports this connection, you know. But what we don't want to see is, if you, you know, I have a DNA test, I have many DNA tests, and I have, I'm lucky to have a lot of ancestors who were already on WikiTree or I have added them. But I should not go, Mark confirmed with DNA to all, you know, 16 of my great, great grandparents, because the only thing that has happened is that one of their alleged, assumed, descendants has taken the test, right? So what does it mean, Peter, to have some evidence that confirms the relationship between a parent and a child? We want to make sure the DNA is matching in accordance with the relationship. In terms of, you know, that your third cousins, you can find out what, what, how much DNA should third cousins match. Right. And you can also do that on wide DNA and mitochondrial DNA. And you can show those relationships and confirm the ancestral lines. If you've got the statements in your biography, talking about that. What's special about WikiTree is that we're the only online genealogical tree where you can actually do that confirmation. You can use DNA, the four types of DNA, and you can show that they are confirmed, the ancestral lines are confirmed and accurate based on, based on the matching DNA. And I know some of my friends in professional genealogy will, will say, we'll use caution when you say confirm. Now, you know, you've got a test. Yes. And it supports. If we were saying proof, we would say proof. Right. That's supporting evidence. Yes. And so that we have, and I know that's problematic for me, because there are parts of my tree that I don't know yet. You know, we all have brick walls somewhere, some of us far, far away, and some of us within the genealogical timeframe that these, these tests, the autosomal particularly are covering like our third, fourth, fifth cousins. If you're talking to a cousin who doesn't know 25% of their, their tree, then how do you know, you know, you're like you said, it supports evidence, but you don't know that you aren't related on the parts of your tree that you don't understand yet, that you haven't been able to document? Just before we get farther, because you're saying so much wonderful stuff. We have a comment in the chat that you people are having a hard time hearing. Oh, yeah. So we'll, oh, maybe a few times. So I think, yes, that's what I was going to suggest. Because you want to talk to our faces. So, so no, no, the rotate your chair, the desk, if you want, so that you can just, yeah, yeah. And then you'll be talking into your mic when you are in conversation with us, since we're kind of talking to each other and all of our friends on the line. Okay, let's try that. Okay. So maybe could you say something and would you all in chat tell us if you can hear Peter better? How well can you all hear me now? Okay. Well, tell us, yeah, tell us about, do we have another question? Yeah, well, should we look at Porter's two profiles? Oh, yes, we could. So is this the, let's see, is this the child? Let's see, 1849. The child is 5488. Okay, here's the child. Okay, that should be right. So, and so we can see over on the right that he is marked and you've got some fancy extensions going here. It's like this is, you're out of the box wiki tree. But, you know, the wonderful add-ons that folks have created for us. And we can see that William is marked confirmed to his parents, you know, and so what we'd like to see is who are the descendants of William or the cousins of William that are making us think that that we have DNA evidence to support his relationship? Okay, and we should also call out that there's no shame. This is a learning experience. And yes, that's the relationship that's confirmed. I know that we have to have a statement saying because we're sharing a certain amount of bottles almost every day with, I mean who is the other person that you're sharing with? Right. There's a, you might want to go to a brake park. Yes, to like that, find apps, DNA or. Okay, and maybe you know how to get there. Okay, well you know how I get there when I forget where it is, is I go to find and I go to apps and then I look, I think it starts with DNA. So in the upper right menu of our of our person profiles, one of those is find and we can find projects, we can find all sorts of things. And we want to find an app. And so DNA confirmation. There we go. Okay. Yeah, this is such a helpful tool. Tell us about it. Yeah. So Greg Clark, a DNA programmer intern there, he created this app to make it more simple to create these citations. You can use YDNA matching, mitochondrial matching, chromosome matching, autozomal DNA matching. And you just select what types of tests you've taken. If you're sharing this tab. What type of matching you're talking about. With autozomal DNA, if it's beyond third cousins, you need to do triangulation. You need to have three or more people, they're all matching each other on the same segment. And it says here greater than third cousins apart. And we have some lovely volunteers on the DNA project on especially the educators team. I know K is one of them. And she'll point out to you or the other volunteers that, you know, again, we've got this, we're seeing this confirmation, but we tell us about it. We all want to know how these folks matched. And I know I had a triangulation statement. And I wrote it in kind of a confusing way, because it was my aunt and a couple of her third, fourth, fifth cousins that had this triangulation. But I also included my brother. And so, you know, aunt and nephew, they can't be two of the three legs. And so I rewrote it to say, these are the three people making the the triangulation. And as it happens, this person's daughter and this person's nephew happened to also have that segment. So I think that was more clear that I wasn't. But why is that? Oh, no, it's not necessary to mention them at all. She said you've got three different kinds of goal matching each other sufficiently right. And I think maybe because it was an eight centimorgan match, I felt like adding that extra info that a mother did pass it to her daughter and an aunt and a nephew did get it. Hopefully, both got that segment from my grandparents. Oh, yeah, the three others. Oh, I think they were more distant. Yeah, they weren't, they were only eight centimorgans. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, but why, why is it that it means a triangulation needs to be third cousins or greater? The, um, because you don't, with, when it's less than three cousins, you can just use a supplement. Ah. So you would look at the total amount of shared DNA. And so, um, like a second cousin, your second cousins are expected to share a certain amount of DNA. Right. And so if you've got that amount of shared DNA, that is your evidence that the relationship is accurate. And so if you have an aunt and a nephew and the aunt's fourth cousin, that's not a triangle because the aunts and the nephew are too close. Yeah. But if you're trying to tie them to a fifth cousin as the third leg of a triangle, you need another distant cousin. Now I've gotten us off into the weeds because most of us are going to use an autosomal match or perhaps a Y or, um, or mitochondrial on our lines. Right. Because that, um, it takes a lot of doing to get into that. The thing is, is that if you do like a Y DNA test and your fifth cousin or sixth cousin has done a Y DNA test, and if you've got sufficiently for that amount, for that distance, for that is your confirmation. I was so lucky to find a wikitree, uh, member from the Lau family from York, Pennsylvania, Dr. Stephen Law, his, his name kind of migrated to law and mine to Lau and then Low. And, and we have a Y DNA match, uh, which is great because in the Smoky Mountains of Tennessee, we've always, uh, told that, you know, our patriarch was Pennsylvania Dutch, which is Deutsch, which is German. And, uh, and that we thought they were from Eastern Pennsylvania. And, uh, and I had a good match with two different sons of that patriarch, the migrant into East Tennessee in the 1790s. But when we matched up with Steve, uh, that was great because that tied the family right back to York. And what was the distance of the relationship? Uh, he's like seven. Yeah. And then, and then the two Tennessee lines that are both from different sons of the migrant are, uh, like fourth or, or, uh, the late Charles Low is my late father's fourth cousin. And, uh, Charles matched my late brother, Ray, uh, quite, quite well. One thing that we might want to point out, things have become a lot easier if you're doing all of this DNA matching, if you're, all of the DNA is in jet max, G-E-B-M-A-T-C-A. Right. We have a health page about that. And you can actually show the comparisons. You can just put a little comparison there. You can see the relationship in jet max. Right. Do you have, uh, uh, one of those, is that something we should ask Peter to show? Yeah. Um, I, is that something that you can drive and show? I don't know if I'll be able to share my screen. Do you want to do that? Or? Sure. I can, I think I have to share the screen. I was thinking before we do that, could we show an example of DNA confirmation statements? Oh, yes. For closer relatives and for the triangulation. Let's see, what's your ID? We can show, we can get on the page. So what's, so what's Robert's, are you? Um, if you go on to, um, go on to my profile, then you guys could say my mother or my father. Okay. So if we go, so let's see. If we search for Peter Roberts and we filter to active members only, what's your ID? Um, 7 0 8 5, Robert 7 0 8 5. Oh, does this work here? Yeah. I don't know. You could do that. What? All right. On the homepage, there's a big first name, last name search. All right. We're, yeah. So here we are. Okay. Well, if you want to look to, Okay, we're down to, Oh, okay. Okay. And so, yes. Okay. Let's go down. Okay. Go down. Okay. So. See under DNA. After. It's a maternal relationship. Go back. Oh, yes. Footnotes. The maternal relationship. Yes. There's a 67 centimorgan X chromosome match. Between you and between Nan, your mother's brother. I know that. See, that's, that's quite simple there. Yes. Because it's a big fat match. But there's another relationship. It's a 49 centimorgan X chromosome match between myself and my fifth cousin, twice removed. Anonymous partner. Oh. And so you could, you could see, if you click on that link of fifth cousin, twice removed, I think it will take you to go through the actual relationship. The relationship finder. Oh, it picked a different ancestor. So, do you remember how you connect? Because I can see a fourth cousin, three times removed through the Turner. No, through Adam Jones. Is that the right ancestor? No. Go back. Okay. James Turner. Oh, that's so an instance. Somebody wants to change. Well, let's see. I mean, we can do it again. One of us has changed his name to James. Yes. Anonymous has changed. Oh, yes. And he died. He passed away. Oh, that's, oh, too bad. That's why I, so I need to change my statement, because I now know, I can now put his first name. Right. Because if I go to his profile. I can see it's changed. Yes. Yes. And that he's Betsy's 17th cousin. If you can take. Once removed. If you feel good in the 1400s. Yes. Because I get a little mistrustful when we get back to that point. Yeah. All right. Great. Well, I just thought that would be helpful for people to see. Should we go to Jetmatch? Okay. What do we do? Go back. Okay. Go back to my photo. Okay. So here's your mother. Oh, it's golden. Now, if you put on any of these Jetmatch, Oh, on the right. Oh, I see. Okay. Like that one? Is that okay? And then, and then we log in. But, but that's okay. If we'll all look away and make sure it's covering it with stars. Okay. Well, how about I shop, stop sharing for a second. And I'll get myself. What do you like about that compare tool? Or what do you find yourself doing most often with those links on the side? Well, I'd like to be able to reconfirm, reconfirm that what the people are saying in their information statement that it's actually accurate. Because so that you can make up information or you can miswrite it. Yeah. And so, by being able to compare and compare, you can see for yourself. So almost like, you know, you go to the library independently confirm that the citation that somebody wrote on a paper is active. That they extracted information. Or did they just get it from? From another paper that cited that paper. And then they never read the original paper. Yeah. And so basically what you're doing is you're actually having the information on the tree where you can actually see for yourself that these are the DNA match that allows you to do that. And because something there, you know, there are some people that they want to say that they're related to Zara Nicholas's Zara's daughter or whatever. They're the lost princess. Make up information. Right. In order to prove that. Right. And so you have independent verification. Because we all want to be anesthesias. Exactly. Uh, Gregory Grandard. Okay. So I do have some ideas. Is privacy, we're all covered or? Yeah. Because well, we might see some first and last names. Yeah. But they're Wickey Tree members. The thing is, the Wickey Tree members, as they, they, they already all said that you can do this yourself. Okay. All right. So I'm going to add to stage and now go to. So should we pick anyone in particular? Like yours. Because you're right here and. Look up. That's my mother. Yeah. Look up, look up my. That yours? That's mine. Okay. And so now we could. Okay. Now that show them, show them and click on submit. So we're showing Peter's matches. Now normally it will change the 50 with this limit 50 that changes to 3000. That takes a long time with the slow internet access. Yeah, right. So anyway, if you click on any of these Wickey links. Yeah. Oh, look at that. And you have to see that person's ancestral tree. Because you go down to like Susan Higgs, Rulae. Yep. Then you can see her tree. Oh, that's right. Because we have that partnership that works both ways that we saw. On the wiki tree profile, we can click to jet match and get right there. And then jet match users can click those wiki links and get right back to here. So now we can see Susan's compact tree and think about how we might connect. This is saying that this is saying that I have a DNA match with Susan. Right. This is our ancestral tree. If I was logged in as myself, I could go up a verdict like it's a relationship to me. And it would actually show the relationship. On the paper tree. Yeah. And now I can see what the relationship is for that. Okay. Because you have your genetic tree, your genetic matches. And then you have your genealogy, your traditional record-based genealogy tree and cousins. And we love it when they match up and confirm. The relationships that we believe we have to our ancestors. Yeah. We do have one question that has come up in the chat. So let me go over there. So it's from Stephen Dematowitz. He asked, if one person tests a 23andMe and the other at MyHeritage, and they don't transfer DNA between the products, can you confirm the DNA to their parents? Well, ideally, you want to have them into judgments. Barring that, if you're a DNA match to somebody at MyHeritage and look for the other one. 23andMe. 23andMe. It's going to take some effort to figure out, are they sharing the same segment? Do those two people match each other on that same segment? I match you on that segment. I match you on that segment. But I'm going to be matching this person to my father, this person to my father, that these two people, do they match each other on that segment? That's hard to do when they're in separate databases. Yes. And you can't necessarily see what the segment is. Yeah, the solution is to get them both in judgments. Yes. And what, if you have to do it the hard way, because unfortunately it's only us confirmed DNA geeks often who are taking that extra step to jet match. So maybe we'll hear more from Steven about how he found the folks or what he wants to see. But that's tough. You get a match and you're super excited, but if they aren't around or they're not responsive or they consider jet match to invasive for them, then yeah, it's you can get stuck. One thing I'd like to point out is that there are lots of people that want to help users that want to use their DNA. Oh, you have to use ass on GDG. There's going to be a lot of people that jump in and they want to help you show, show you how to actually make use of the DNA. Right. It's not enough to just say, I took a DNA test. You want to make use of, you pay a lot of money for these tests. You want to try to use some free things that will make it possible to the different features that are available, that are available through jet match and through wiki tree to actually show that these lines are accurate, that test lines are accurate. Right. Yeah, I've been lucky to be able to do a few generations on my tree as sometimes because I know someone and I am able to give them a test. And sometimes because people just show up, I was just at a family tree DNA talk about what they're coming up with for mitochondrial DNA. And it's only through wiki tree that I found some folks who have the mitochondrial line of my mother's father because I have some second cousins who have that same mitochondrial line from my grandpa's sister. And I was lucky that one was on 23andMe and he at least got H1C or something like that. And then we've got like three wiki trees with roots in Quebec that are also H1C, including some full sequence testers. And it's so great to see that because it helps me. One thing to point out is that there are lots of DNA testing companies who are now the pumps like my ancestry DNA is through a mitochondrial test. I have that U5 they say. They used to do a Y chromosome test. Right. There's companies like Oxford Ancestors and Gene by Gene. There's lots of different companies that have been using this. And the Sorenson Foundation. They're all musical still. You can split that information that you tested with those labs in wiki tree. Now, just like there's JetMatch for all those other DNA and X-DNA, there's Mito-Y-DNA for your Y-DNA and your mitochondrial DNA. And you upload them to those databases. You upload your Y-DNA and your mitochondrial DNA to those databases. You can put the IDs in the wiki tree. And then you can see the comparisons in wiki tree. You can see that you were saying that this is an H1 whatever. Then your distant cousin is an H1 whatever. Right. It just adds evidence. It's not enough to just match on the average. You've got to see if you're matching all the differences. But they call the differences from the RCRS. The reference sequence. Yeah. And those, that's what's useful for you for the genealogy. And then if you're comparing like 37 markers, are you matching enough markers for your genealogy? And that's what I can do with those wiki tree members. And thank you so much to Marie and the others for sharing that information. Since my own close cousin didn't do full sequence, you know, I can go look at theirs and see how closely they all match. One thing that's awesome about DNA and wiki tree is that I've been able to, I've got 43 ancestors that are confirmed with DNA. And it wasn't just me that was doing that. Right. Other cousins of mine, they match each other. They put in the confirmation statements and mark confirmed with DNA. And I'm benefiting from their work and I'm seeing what all these ancestors that have got confirmation statements in their confirmed with DNA. Right. That's what, that's what's so magical about wiki tree is that, you know, when I started doing genealogy, you're sitting in a library and someone hands you a blank pedigree chart, but you don't have to do it alone. You don't have to do it all the work yourself. There is a great park that's created a fan chart and you can select on that fan chart that which of your ancestors are confirmed with DNA. Should we look at that? Do you want to do an example? Doing it live on the app is a little bit confusing, but I've got an image of it on my profile. Yeah. Okay. Let me go to your profile and we're still hearing complaints about, not complaints, reminders about your sound. And it makes me want to see if we can lift, lift that tablet up. I was just kind of eyeballing this. It's too bad I'm not on a head cut. Yeah. Does this work enough for your court to rest on? Like if you lift the, just to get it out closer. I got an idea. You turn it. Okay. Yes. So it doesn't fall in. Okay. I think that was your mother. No, that was not your mother. Oh, here we're on the Roberts Roberts. Tell me again, Robert 7085. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Here we go. I'm sharing you. Yeah. Okay. So I'm looking for a picture. You have an image? Well, hopefully it's where I think it is. Are we talking about DNA painter or something else? Okay. So the DNA portal to see the, see this first like DNA painter, all those normal DNA pictures. Yes. Look at that. Okay. Oh, look at that. You made a free space page. So, we're sharing it in StreamYard maybe. Yeah, you should be able to see it. Oh, you know, maybe I've got it. No, we're, no, we're seeing it. Yeah. We're seeing the contents and the test and the test too. Oh, is it frozen? Maybe you're frozen. Oh, yeah. We could ask them to come and test you. Okay. Yeah, you could trade places. Or, or, yeah. You still hear me? Yeah. Oh, anyway, it's not, it's not good. Your field pressure is long. Oh, yeah. Maybe we should ask Peter to come and test you. Peter, come over here for a sec. Yeah. And I'll just make it work. I'll try another. Oh, no, she's live casting in the field. Wow. Okay. Go keep going down, down, down, down, down, down, down. There's a lot of garbage here. I mean, well, how do you move up? Where do you want to go? Keep going down. Way far down. Keep going down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down. Keep going, keep going, keep going. Fan charts. Fan charts. Okay. Keep going. We'll see. There. Okay, so this is... Should I click on it? Yeah, you can click on a live. No, actually it may not work because that's a live. Oh, they're tracking you. Making a large it there. So these are, these are people... Well, actually what this is showing is people who could have contributed to my X chromosome. That's what that's showing. People who could have contributed to my X chromosome. Wow. And there's something similar that you can do where it would just highlight those where I know that the ancestors are confirmed with DNA. It's very similar to this. And I don't have an image of that that I can easily share. But it gives you an idea of what it looks like. So you can have beautiful charts like this where you can document... This is the part of my tree that is confirmed with DNA. Now this is the part of... This is showing which ancestors could have contributed to my X chromosome. Because I got all of my X chromosome from my mother. Anyway, so we can switch seats again at that time. Okay. All right. Bye. I broke the chair. Oh. All right. What's this? Wow, that's a big old... Steven wants to know... Uh-oh. Oh, yeah. I saw it die. You might have lost Wi-Fi. Okay. Steven says we're... Yeah, he was clear. Well, we could give up on your tablet and ask you to come sit next to Betsy. And then you could lead over and talk. Come over here. We could try. And then you can let us know if Peter and I get too faint or if we need to... Now, if I lean... Hello, hello. We're the troublesome trio here in Salt Lake City. Let's see what... Oh, Steven was asking about that fan chart. Yeah. Where is that fan chart? Okay, if you go now to see the current fan chart, as you go to Tree Apps. Okay. So let's run Navigate to Tree Apps. So should I go to you? Yeah, go to me. Okay. We get out of the other... Okay. This is good. Now click on my name. Wait, no, that's not you. There you go. Okay. Now, so there's the Tree Apps here somewhere. Just making sure that... Okay. I'm still where I want to be. Tree Apps. Yeah. Okay. Tree Apps. Yeah, look there. And then change this here to... Change that to fan chart. Oh, yeah. There we go. Okay. Now then go. Okay. This is going to be... Oh, this is my tree. Okay, good. Okay. Now, then you click on the gear, and you want to do Highlights. And you want to do... Change this to Confirm with DNA. DNA-confirmed ancestors. Okay. And just... They can't see my pull-down menus probably. Okay. Yeah. Too bad. So under the Highlights tab, we got... Okay. And then Save Changes. Okay, but they should be able to see the results. Right. Okay. There it goes. I saw it activate, but then there's the processing. Weird. We're at the winds of the Salt Palace Convention Center's Wi-Fi network, and it's getting a lot of use right now because there are thousands of people here with us all on Windows. Oh, let's see. Do this right here. Okay. Click that. Click that. Ah, okay. And then Save Changes. Oh, okay. Now go up to Generations. Okay. I'm going to make sure that everybody see what we're seeing. Okay. Good. Now do the Up Generations. Okay. Just one. Do it again. Oh, oh, look at this. Wow. Do it again. Woo. Okay, so that's... Okay, I can get up to there. Anyway, so if you scroll up a little bit, then these are my ancestors that I know are accurate based on DNA confirmation. So we need to... These are all confirmed ancestors. We need to find you some of cousins for your paternal grandmother. The left side. The left side is Bahamian records. And so good luck in finding some of those records. Oh, I see. Bahamian to the Bahamas. Yeah, too many hurricanes and not enough recording of source information. And storing paper in a very wet place. Yeah, and termites and other bugs. Oh, yes. Yes, all the... But the DNA, the DNA has been able to actually show relationships that we didn't know existed. I was able to find out through DNA, through the wide DNA testing, I found out there are two Robert's families from the Bahamas that have been there basically since the beginning. Oh, not actually since the beginning of like... Colonial testing. During the time of pirates. And there are two Robert's families. And they are separate families up until DNA testing. We thought there was one family. And no, that's the same situation for a lot of other family lines where we found out that some families are... They're the same family. The different surnames of the same family. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. We see some of that because we get our names in different ways. You know, sometimes we take a name from our mother remarries and we take our dad, the guy who raised us, we take his name. Yeah. You know, because he's there. Helped, you know, being our dad. And sometimes those changes aren't... We've forgotten, you know, that this person went by this name, but their wide chromosome comes from people with a different name. Okay, let's do something. I want to show people how they can find out who in wiki tree has like done a YDNA test. Yes. Okay, so if you go to my profile. Okay. So let's see. I can go just back. Okay, now scroll up. Yep. Now we want to go to go to under my name, click on DNA. Now we're going to look at... We've got this Roberts DNA. Oh, okay. So this is people... This is people in wiki tree with the name of Roberts who have taken a Y chromosome test. We're going to do that. Oh, I see. Is it thinking? Oh, it's not. It's not giving me the error. Should we... Up. Oops. Oh, there we go. Okay, now change all types here. All to Y chromosome. Okay. And then click... Go scroll down a little bit. Click on test taker. That's going to sort. Oh, I see. So not all of these test takers will be named Roberts, but many of them will because they will have kept that. Most of them should be Roberts. So scroll down. A few of them. So this is everyone. So Lee, like Lee here, he's a Roberts, but he's actually a Roberts, but there's a name change somewhere in the ancestry. That he took the congenit. But if you scroll down, keep scrolling down. Keep scrolling down. Keep scrolling down. So... Get past Lee. Is he the... Oh, he's the tester and he knows about all of these Roberts in his life. Whoa. So... Goodness. I'm sorry to make everybody seasick. Okay. Oh, yes. We're going to get down to the Roberts. Now, here's David Roberts. Okay. I'm Roberts. So he's a... Oh, we can choose a user. He's actually Roberts, but he's a Roberts. Right. Now, you can see, you can click on his profile. Roberts? Oh, there he is. Just click on him and go to his page and scroll down. You can see his DNA tests. So there he is. You can see he's a Roe Baird's, but he's... His ancestor is Roberts. So you can click on his MyDyDNAID and you can see... Oh, where does that take us? Spoiler. I had problems. You can click on his MyDyDNAID. Hopefully he's entered it correctly. And you go, oh, you can't log into here. Never mind. Because you're not a... You're not... You haven't registered yet, right? No, I haven't. You haven't. Do log in then. But... Not enough time? Is that okay because he's a living person and we're showing his information? Why don't we see what questions we have? You can go to mine. You can go to mine. Well, let me... Let me... Calm out. If there are any questions, we're gonna wrap up in about five minutes. So be sure and put those questions, pressing questions in the chat. Well, what about you and Dred Pirate Roberts? What's the story there, Peter? There's no evidence yet. My son, he said, Dad, all I want for Christmas is proof that I'm descended from the pirate. I couldn't do it. Well, what about that Bahamas? There were three, four pirates that were hardened. They said they would never be pirates again, all named Roberts. And there's a generation, a couple of generations gaps between where the genealogy goes back to those four pirates. There's no paper genealogy connecting any Roberts to those pirates. Oh, there's other lines in the Bahamas where we've got YD&A Lowe's that go to an actual pirate. We've got another family also. I heard from Renate Yabros-Sanders about the Freedmen's Bureau record and she said, especially with these seafaring gentlemen, some of the fellows left their presents all around. They got around. You know, I've been looking for black bearded YD&A, no luck yet. Anyway. Well, no luck. I cannot, I seem locked out of my YD&A. You're locked out? I did not lie down the past one. I thought they'd get a brief over here somewhere that we can go visit, yeah. So, but I'm looking at, looking for questions. No new questions have come up. Got all of these cousins? You're a tenth cousin? Yes, David Draper. Yep, cousin David. So. Well, I hope you all can encourage some of your matches in GEDmatch to join WikiTree to add their GEDmatch ID. There's lots of your matches that you're the lab that you tested with, encourage them to upload to GEDmatch and then encourage them to add their ancestry to WikiTree. There's a lot of features, free features in WikiTree that allow you to do amazing things with your DNA and you can't do it elsewhere. And you can't beat the knowledge and the generosity of WikiTreeers for collaboration. You know, you put a question out there. Boy, you're going to get some solid answers from people who know their stuff. And people like me who make it up so double-check me. Go ahead and click and confirm. And you can reconfirm, you can reconfirm, you can see what the DNA matches actually are and you can say, I'm sorry, you didn't do it quite right and you can help correct. And be nice when you say that because we're all learning and trying to do our best. Yeah. Great. Well, you guys, this has been such a treat I've learned. And thank you so much. And such a great to be together in the same physical space for a change with our WikiTreeing friends. Agreed. Well, tune in for our, we have more livecast Q&As tomorrow. So please check the G2G post that Azure's put up. I can't remember the details. I know I'm doing one on events and challenges tomorrow afternoon. So check the G2G post for when that's happening. And we'll see you then. Take care. Bye, everyone. We did it.