 Welcome to Toffy TV. Today my guest is a flying winger who arrived on Macy's side, ready to play with a perm and a moustache look like a typical scouter it is, the flamboyant Mr Terry Curran. Terry, how are you? Fine, thank you Barry, but let's get something straight. I've never had a perm in my life ever. My hair is natural and it has been natural. I've got long flowing locks. Yes, yes so I'll put that right but never had a perm in my life. You've still got a cut head of hair there. I've got a cut head of hair there. The other side of the city, you know. My hair is natural. Oh no, Tom Owes was horrific wasn't it? Absolutely, absolutely horrific. Before you got to Everton, we'll talk about Everton in a minute, but before you got to Everton obviously your dad spells, your dad A-clubs, I was reading. But you were doing really well at Forrest weren't you? I know I'd seen a couple of people saying when you were at Nottingham Forrest there was high hopes for the way you were developing. What happened there? Well, I've been tapped up for about six months with Clifford to go and sign for him and when it finally happened I could have signed for Everton at the same time. Tottenham is Sheffield United. I think Bingham was your manager at that time. Ken Firth, he was Sheffield United manager. I'm not quite sure. Was it Berkenshaw? One of them was manager at Tottenham. And I was supposed to meet them after I met Clifford at the reserve game, Don Castleville was playing Mansfield and Stan Anderson, the manager at the time of Don Castleville said to me, Speak the club by all means, but speak to others and we'll try and get you the best deal for the club. I mean I've been tapped up by club for six months, so I knew I was going to go there. And everything, I mean when I first got there I got a couple of little injuries and then I got myself playing, started playing really well, I'm 20, 20, 21. We are maintains at Erreford 4-2, Carlyle 5, Sheffield United 6-1 and then the dreaded injury I got against Burnley. I mean it was an accident, John McGovern took Paul Fletcher of Burnley. I just scored, I came off after 18 minutes, I chipped him, he fell on me, and I was out for six, seven crucial ligaments in a year. Obviously it knocked me back, it took me a good really 14 months to really get over it by revealing, I mean it pushed me back quickly to get back playing because obviously they hadn't won for a month. We've got to draw up, we've got to result up at Carlyle, we've got to draw up at Carlyle, they hadn't won for a month like I said and then I scored the winner at Erreford and then Cluffy left me out against Southampton. But when he pulled me in his office he said look, my career had finished because of this type of injury. You know, I mean I was a young lad, you're frustrated because you want to play. I hadn't played for six, seven months, whatever how long it was, and I lost my cool with it and I told him I'm ready to play, I played two games away from home, the next ones at home. Yes I was still feeling my leg and I understand what he was saying to me. But you're a young lad and we all make mistakes and it was a mistake in one sense to leave Nottingham Forest, I should have sat there waiting me time because he did sign me and he was saying some great things about me at the time and we were both playing well, the team were playing well, John Robertson were playing well out on the left wing and I was playing right well on the right wing, but how do we know these things are going to happen, these types of injuries, but it happened, it was disappointing, would I have left Nottingham Forest if I wouldn't have got injured? No one knows, no one knows what would have happened because yes I was playing well, would I have furthered it on, I don't know, but by the time I got back playing it set off with the team the following season what had finished the team, what was finished the season well, got promotion and it brought shielding. And I was on the bench for the first game, was it first two or three games? I looked for the first game and I went after another move which obviously he didn't like and they went on and that season they went on to win the league and not only did they win the league they won everything else with it. European Cup, League Cup, fantastic time for Nottingham Forest and fantastic manager, what more would you want? A manager who I respect and a manager you look up to to buy you and add confidence in you. I mean it was writing terrific things Barry about me, I mean it was not about Steve Coppola and Gordonal getting over the headlines at Man United but he wrote you know if Curran wasn't at Man United his name would have been bright light so it was wrong when I did but you can't turn the clock back you know, mistakes. And you learn from it, sometimes you do and sometimes you don't. Yeah yeah it's one of those isn't it obviously you never know but at least you know you can say that you played under him that's something isn't it. You went off to chef weddyn, done really well as chef your wedding stay, seen one of your goals, went on about seven men and bent it in the far corner that was a peach and had some time at chef United as well didn't you before you turned up at Everton? Well when I left Forest the only the only where I've never been tapped up was Southampton but I left Forest to go to Derby and when I looked at the Derby team and when anybody looks at the Derby team we all support our own team I mean Everton's a great great football team you know. Sheffield Wends is my favourite club like Everton Jawsbury and we all do things for our club and we all want to play for our clubs all we want to support our teams. I mean for the wrong we stand by him. So I went from there to Derby county under Tom Docky and when you look at the team we had there Roy McFarlane calling Todd David Nish, Steve Buckley, David Langham, Jevet Daly, Bruce Ryock, Don Massen, Charlie George fantastic but Tommy just got psych at Manny United his head weren't right. Ewch i sut yn dechrau'r wych. Ryn nhw'n gafodd gynhymhau, gan yr hyn. Rwy'n nos gweld i'r newid. Rwy'n i'ch pethau sydd yn ei tannig, o rebafodd Rymel yn yn ynnydd eich tannig. Rydyn ni'n ddim gallu'n gwbod yma, bof hwnna'n ymdyn ni'n blaidio ar ôl. Cymru o'u gweithio i ysgol, Dyma ywolaeth yn ymddangosu. Mae allan eich gweld i'r dref. Dyma eich gweithio ardyf yn ieddiol. Felly, mae'n gweithio ar y Mexio, Mae'r ddaf yn ddweud cyfnod ymlaen iawn, a chi'n ddaf yn maen nhw, yn ddweud. Felly, y cyflwyno'n fynd yw, ond mae'n ddweud, oherwydd mae'n ddweud, ac mae'n ddweud yw'r ddweud. Mae'n gael, mae'r ddweud yn ddweud, ond mae'n ddweud. Mae'n ddweud ddweud, ond mae'n ddweud, ond mae'n ddweud, ond mae'n ddweud. Mae yna'r ddweud yn ddweud. Bytyn nhw'n tiydd hynny yw hynny i fynghori gwyrdd drwch. Ond bytir warehouse ydy weddw i yn amser y wych. Siw ffyrdd yn yw hefyd, gan Byryd yw hefyd'ch chi, felly yw hwn i. Mae'r ysgol ac maen nhw'n gweld yn ysgol yw un ysgol. Dei, rydw i'n gweithio dylunious. Mae'n dweud mas o hyd yn ysgol. Fy hefyd, sy'n amser, rydw i'n ddiadau dros diwylliant. Mae'n ddim ti'n edrych i'n edrych.First time to be in the club before joining the club for United in the US. I got off the three times moment to go to Newcastle. Then one day I got a part of Phil Poulsman and he said to me. Everyone want to take you on loan what you think? I said get me away from as quick as you can, and that's how I came to Everton. That's how you got there. Dw i amwneud drwy'n ffen nhw, byddai . Ond hefyd yw'r ddweud yn mynd i'w gofyn ar y clwers ac mae'n ddweud ddim. Pryddo, rwy'n ddweud ei fod wedi'i digfight gyda'r llun. Roedd am wneud yn hyn ac wedi eu clwer am y clwer. Efallai'n iawn Rydym yn Ynglyn? Nid gan fod yn y popeth yw'r ystwyff gydy'n Ynglyn. Bwy yw'r hyn y fINny'r hanfyrdd oherwydd y Manchu Llyfydd i'w cyfrifon ar y carf. efallai eich receiver nhw'n cael bwrdd. Mae'n gwybod i ngwybod i'r holl ffosilikb, lle mae wedi'u gweld nag yw'r holl ffosilikb. Mae phrysd yn oedd. Mae fe yna hynny i ni weithaith Siros yng Ngheil, mae hwn yn eitio i ni i ni'n holl bethau ddynchau. Ac roeddwch ar 12 o rouf isf a'n gweld, mae'n bwysig yw beithwch ar gyfer mwyaf yng Ngheil. roeddwch, mae'n ymgyblion fwyaf, oedd yn 21 o f templo. Mae ddyn nhw i wneud? Mwneud dim ongoing, yw'r gweithio'n 21 weln nhw. Mae'n gweithio gweithio gyda gymiael yma, gweithio'n gweithio yn mynd i wellbeing yn y trai, efo gair o gwaith a nifer. Mae'n rhaid i gwyllgor am y holl bobl, nifer nawr unrhaid. Yw gweithio'n gweithio'r tynnu, mae'n ddigwch, mae'n gweithio'r chwymai. Mae gennym ei gwaith, mae'n dd unanim, mae'n cwrn cyffredd yn gyflawn. Mae'n ganwraith yma, mae'n ganwraith athen,需要 i ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, ond ydych chi i'n dweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, a mynd i'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud? Roedd y Cendol wedi'i ddefnyddio'n ddiweddol, a yn ei ddweud o'r ddweud yn gweithio'r ddweud. Mae o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, yn ei ddweud o'r ddweud. gyda'r unig ffordd. Mae'r ffordd yn gweithio, mae'n gweithio, ac mae'n ffordd yn gweithio. Felly, yn ddechrau, yma, yma yma i'r Llyfrgellau Llyfrgellau, mae'n gweithio a Bermigol, 13,000 o'n 3,000 o'n 3,700 o'n 3,700 o'n 3 o'n 3 o'n 3,000 o'n 3 o'n 3 o'n 3. Mae'n gweithio i'r hunain, mae'n gweithio ar gyflos, mae'n ddechrau. Ychydig yn ddiddordeb hwn i ni gynnyddol, ar ffordd y Prifysgol Llyfrgellau. a ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r Llyfrgell yn ysgol. Dwi'n meddwl, ond o'r ddweud o'r Llyfrgell yn y ddweud o'r Llyfrgell. Felly, mae'n gwneud hynny'n gweithio'r oedlion gyda'r ffantastig cyfnodau. Ond y teimlo yn ymgyrch. Y teimlo yn ymgyrch. Mae'n gwneud i'r fanau'n ddweud, a'r fanau'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, ac rhoi'r ddweud o'r ddweud ymgyrch o'r oedlion gyda'. Dwi'n meddwl yn eu wneud. Felly, mae'n fwy bod yn digwyddu meu. Mae'r fanau'n gwneud. Fe'n meddwl, ond yn fwy o'r unig, rydw i'n meddwl i'r newydd. Mae'n meddwl, rydym yn ymddi. Rydaw'n ei wneud, rydw i'n meddwl i'w wneud. Rydw i'n meddwl. A'r amser yna, mae yna'r ein oes gweithio. Mae'r gai mewn bydd, Didn't down the. Rot his with gr smokes. With little things in game I did I think I thought what a publicity to play for. Then we play a female switch And I'm not When I tell you this Then you can speak to K heavy by gently We win too one As we go in dressing room Rot says It's a lot of ba So is ripping me apart A tomorrow we're on the line. So we got the result there, and then we played Llewton at home. We win, what's it five-nil? Five-one? Five-nil, yet. Five-nil, we win five-nil. I scored a goal, made a couple of goals and everything work. A better Rosers. The fans are singing the sign coming on, so everything was great. a was great. And then we go to West Brom. I think we're going to result draw at West Brom. I keep meaning to look up. We'll play Tottenham. I'm not sure if we've got one nil there or if we drew there. Got to be two one, that's fair. Two one? Two one, sharp scores, yeah. Yeah, and then we play Nottingham forest. We beat them three nil. And Cloughbytatt, the gate, Cloughbytatt me back up again to go play for Knox Forest. And I said, no, I'm not. I did already want everything so I couldn't see them giving back to where they were. And when I looked at the players at the club, and I'm not just saying it, eventually I couldn't have been the team. To have what I think I were I couldn't have been the team. a we lifted, we'd gone from second bottom to our way up the table. I was back to Sheffield United, because I'd done well in that six months, Sheffield United wanted more money and things like that. So it didn't work out. Whatever happened then, within the next couple of weeks, I would get pulled in by Sheffield United, we would find they've agreed the price for you. I would have put birch services. There's no agents about in those days Barry. No, no. So I meet Howard and the secretary of bird service and this is where exactly he said to me, he said, I'll give you £500 a week, £10,000 signing on, take it or leave it. Do you want first division football? Well I was earning more money at Sheffield United. I said, well I'll go back, I'll go play third division. Because I'm that type of player, I love football Barry. I want to play football. I had nothing to do with that but one little bit. He's got a decision to make because he's got to try and get the player for the right amount of money. The player's got to try and get the best for him. So he said to me, taking a leave it and I just said, I'll leave it and I'm going back to Sheffield United. He looked at me, gone out at first and I just got up and I walked out. The next day I grabbed, I saw all the headlines greedy covered and I thought to myself, well I've £25,000 to come in my contract at Sheffield United. So I wanted that and obviously more money than what I was getting at Sheffield United. I'm looking at my last contract because I'm what, 26, 27, 30. You never know how long you're going to last. You don't. And that's what I was looking at. I goes back to Sheffield United. I think things drop off again to whatever need another bad patch. And I went back there and played at Sheffield United against Stoke and the FA Cup. He's gone out and out at the game. And he had another one of those games where everything turned out. I don't know if you knew a guy called Norman when you used to write for the Sunday people. I get a phone call from Norman when he said to me, Terry, Man United, want you to sign for them? What do you think? Would you fancy it? So of course it's a big club Man United who's not going to want to play for Man United. He said, well, leave it with me. I'll get back to you. At the same time, I'm off the phone an hour, when I get a phone call from Arsenal, do I fancy joining them? You know, when I thought, what's going on? You should do, you think. It's somebody taking them mightily. You know, because you get Man United and then you get Arsenal, Barry. You know what I mean? You think. Yeah, yeah. It was true. They did try and sign me. But what happened was really the owner of Sheffield United. Once Arsenal and Man United got involved, they were trying to book the price. Right, yeah. So Ron said to Norman when, speak to Terry and tell him he has to go in and ask for the move, demand the move, then if you ask for the move, you lose your signing on fee. You know, of when they agree the fee. He said, if the deal's not done by a certain Saturday, I'm going to sign Arthur Graham. Anyway, they prolonged it and the Man United finished Arthur Graham. Arsenal signed the player, I think it was Brian Marwood, and I finished up back up at Everton. Howard said, what were you looking for? I said, bye, bye, bye. We agreed it and that was it. My first game back, my first game back is against West Brom. And I pulled a muscle in my left thigh. So now I'm out for another six months. Yeah. They were still in and out before Everton. I'm one of those players, what goes in and I want the ball out. I mean, I would wrote about, I was one of the best signings he made because I got that confidence and even when things weren't going right, I got the confidence to want the ball and he looked off under the players and I'm not saying it was me, what did this and what I'm trying to say is, I had that confidence and we used to have a laugh me in Bales. It got the other lad to settle down, take the pressure away. So we had a good message in the room and I said some great players, but I got a bad injury and there were still having problems that were up and down. People said it was, was it the Oxford result when Inch is scored? I mean, it was a bad back pass from one of the Oxford players, Inch is nipped in score and then I think we beat them 4-1 in the replay, didn't we? Yeah, yeah. Something like that. Anyway, I was chopping and changing team, trying to find the right balance of the team, trying to get the right confidence into the team. Anyway, I had to go up and see Howard because of the, about my injury. I mean, at first, they all thought I was kidding on because I could jog him down. I mean, I'd beat Bales with really on my back and that's not being big headed or big clever. You know, I'm just trying to say I was that quick, you know, but it would let me jump up and down, but it wouldn't let me sprint and eventually I had to have the operation. Nice. And it was lengthen me thumb up with, widthen me thumb. Once I finally sorted it out, I would send me down a walk for somewhere, I put you to have the operation. Finally got that played. But the everything team were doing well. But anyway, see Howard won this day and as I go up, Reed is just coming out of his office and he's got a bit of it. These are facts. When I say it, I'll tell you now, I'll tell you, I'll tell you it's a fact. So Reed is coming out of his office. He's selling me to Burnley. Burnley's offered £60,000 and he's telling me I can go. Well, I'd gone to the Wolves game. They played Wolves on Birmingham and Reed had been our best player. I said, Reed, look, I've had Moves and don't get you anywhere. If you're happy, it's a Liverpool, I don't know if it's a Liverpool supporter, but it's massive evidence now. And he said, I don't know. I said that, Reed. And if he denied it, I'd tell him in front of him. That is true. They're going to tell him to Burnley. And he got a tear in his eye and I said to him, you don't have to go, Reed, you don't know. Anyway, he'd gone back in. He'd gone back into upstairs in Belfield because you can have food and everything up there. Fantastic facility. I'd never seen that in my life. Honestly, I thought, Jesus, if you can't be a footballer, you could never be a footballer. So I go in and see how I boom, boom, boom, boom. I said to him, find you. We're getting there. And he said to me, I need you back as quick as I can. Things are not going right. I said, listen. I said, we're not far short. I would be not. I said, let me tell you something. If you'll sell Reed, you'll be selling out one, if not our best player. You know, is he a great trainer? No. Right? Is he quick? No. But let me tell you about him, Howard. Come Saturday, it's like somebody's put a battery into him and he could run all day. He could run all day. He was one of those players. Obviously, I played against him at Paul Jones at Bolton and they were fantastic players. Both of them had bad injuries, bad knee injuries. You know, and he looked like being one of the, one of the best midfield players around at that time when he were playing for Bolton. And he looked like he, I think he, he were going to Arsenal then for a lot of money and he got the bad injury. And I says to Howard and I says, Gaffer, listen, if you'll sell him your mental, he's one of our best players. If not our best player. And they were playing Aberton. They were playing Liverpool and I said to him at one time, I said, why are you playing the Liverpool? Yes, they're a great team. Yes, they're a fantastic football club. Look at the players we've got Reed, we've got Reedie, Bryce, Vandenau, Bales, Southall, Kevin Stevens, all internationals, Gray, Sharpie, Incher, Trevor Stevens. Oh, they give £300,000 for. I know he didn't do well when he first went there. Shades. Why should we be fighting the Liverpool? And he said to me, he's talking, he said, you know something, Trevor, you're right. And the beat Liverpool 1-0, the beat Liverpool 1-0. But what happened with me after that injury, I looked at the fod and missed out on everything. And then it rushes me back to get playing against Southampton in the FA Cup. And I played too many games in a such short period of time. Before the extra time, it was going to pull me off and it didn't do. And I finished up staying on. We finished up winning. Again, not through me, I'm just saying. I stayed on. I don't think I'd been out for six months. And I think I played two games. I think Arsenal at all, what a midweek game. I'm not sure the other one. But I played other games in between families, you know, with you team and Intermediates in those days, whatever it was, it deserves. And then it played me again after that game against Norwich. And I pulled my hamstring. And I've never pulled hamstrings. And they went on to win the FA Cup. And, you know, a bite time. By time, I got really back, fully playing well again. The team were doing well. I mean, I know I was a good player. I believed in my ability. But Trevor Stevens, how could you leave? How could you leave your man? Absolutely fantastic player. Turned out to be a fantastic player for whatever. But when he first, things weren't going well for him. Things weren't going well for me. Things weren't going well for me. For that word. But it all turned out great for him. And it is. And they were the fantastic football team. And if it weren't for the, for the Isle disaster, Ooster said they wouldn't have won a European Cup at all. You know, we can't see that. It's an hypothetical question. But there was such a fantastic football team. But as a player, Barry, you're frustrated. You want to play. You want to play. You know, if you've got anything about you want to play, and then he played me, I played, I played in between games, did all that. Listen, because when he I never had a bad game ever. I really didn't. And the successful, the success they had over the three a period I had there were fantastic. So it weren't like I did, I did bad because I did well at Man United. I did well against 14 of Shruthard over in Holland. I did well at home. So, and then you know what you know when you play bad, you don't need fans to tell you you play bad. They will tell you. But you know, anybody knows when you've had enough day at any word, you know. So my record stands up for itself with Everton from where they were to where they finished. But I have no qualms that I could push Trevor Stevens, a fantastic football player, Sharpie, Andy Gray, all fantastic football players shooting. So it was always going to be very difficult once a team were playing well. Now we found we got injured, now we're playing well at the time. It might have been Trevor, it might have been anyone else. But they had fantastic football players, Alan Harper, great servant for the club, Kevin Richardson, you know, in and out of the team. They were great footballers. So I was frustrated that I played in the quarterfinals of the Cup winners Cup against Fortuna Shruthard. And then we were playing Bayern Munich in Munich. And I got a funny feeling I weren't going to play. And I lost it. I lost it a little bit. I'm not saying it. I'm holding now. But if I had kept my mouth shut up for this, and if I had kept my mouth shut up to Everton, at some point I would have got back in. And once you get in, it's for me then to establish myself. I'm not saying I would have, but I should have given it a couple of months, and I didn't do so. But it's a fantastic football club, Barry. I'm just an amateur for your Wednesday fan. And all the other clubs I played for always come second to them, like all the other clubs come second to, and I hope you all understand. But fantastic football club. And let me tell you something, the best two managers I ever played with was Cluffy and I was fantastic. And I've never spoken, I've never criticized any player. I've had to go with some managers because of the way how they play football. But Howard Kendall is one of the best football managers I've played under. Him and Cluffy. I go with Cluffy because Cluffy's character, Howard's character was different, but same type of football he wanted to play. And I'm not going to criticise Howard, but I have to say he would have, and he would have had a bigger name in the game, even though it was such a great name he had, especially for Everton, but he would have been up there among the elite if it wasn't for his drink. And everybody knows about it. So he had a fantastic career, fantastic football manager. And when people say to me about David Moyes, I said he gets more glory out of Everton for keeping Everton. One of the biggest clubs in the country in the Millie. And Howard Kendall won, you know, because for a few years Moyes he got a great reputation about it at Everton. And I know Howard went back and obviously it worked out the second time and things like that. But when was the last time I won a league title with Howard Kendall? When would it before? Would it with Howard Kendall were playing? He was a fantastic football manager, fantastic person for the players. And his name should have been up there with Cloughies and the Shanklers and the Paisleys of this world barry, definitely. And it is, don't get me wrong. You know what I'm trying to go at? If I would have made the mistakes I made, I might have had a bigger name in football than what I did do. I remember Bonnie Wheal and he said to me, why did you go and play it to Division Terry? You know, play with your ability. So the mistakes I made. But football manager is hard. The pressure, the pressure of it, because as a player we do go off and we, that's it. As a manager he's got to look after the fans, he's got to look after the directors, he's got to look after each and every individual player. You know, some players like managers, some don't. I liked Howard Kendall. I would first say to not be having an inter-team. But you know, what player doesn't? You know, I don't want to sit on a bench, you damd if you do, you just there to take money and you damd if you don't, you know. But what a football club and to have the facility. When I think about it now, I think to myself, because I love training. I would never ever, in treatment group for sake of being, I had two bad injuries, one at Forest and one at Everton. Both bad injuries barry and look what both did. I don't want anybody to feel sorry for me. I've played with some absolutely philas football players and played with some fantastic football clubs, you know. And two clubs I played with when European trophies and league titles. So it's not a bad gear I had. It doesn't stand up like the rest of the Everton lads do because playing in the lower leagues, but that weren't nothing to do with anybody else but me. You know, to get the recognition, to get that recognition from players, then you have to play at the highest level. But I had people like George Bess, Jimmy Greaves, Duncan MacKenzie, all come to me, personally came to me and said to me, what a player you are. So that'll do for me and I have played two fantastic football clubs, what one trophy. So I didn't have a bad career barry. No, not at all. And again, you know, you were so unlucky in the two seasons that we did things. I mean, to come back from the thigh injury then to play in the FA Cup semi-final. And I had a little look at the highlights again. You put two, made two cracking chances, one for Inti and one for Andy Gray. And did you know you were the last person to touch the ball in that semi-final? You had the ball in the corner flag and then kicked it out and the referee blew the whistle. I said, I'm thinking to myself, because you can see, you can see fans are very, but all semi-finals, when I was a kid, they all used to come running on to pitch. But there's nowhere to get out of it. And I got absolutely mobbed by it. Not saying to want it to mob me, I was the only one there. But you're right, fantastic day. And I missed, don't forget, I missed out of the final. I'm not saying I would have been picked, but if I would have been injured, you just don't know. The rush me to get back to play for the semi-final. So you want to fit in the team. But by the time, by the time I'd really got back, establishing myself, the team, the team were playing well. You know yourself when you look for those players. You know, they weren't mob players. They were players. They were top players, top, top players. Yeah. You weren't a bad player yourself though, to be part of that. And then obviously the second season, the second full season, when we win the league, you're saying that you've after, because you played in to sit out and you played the goodness in both of those games and obviously we won the tie-fired nill overall. And you fell out then with Howard over being left out. I didn't fall out. Listen, I would, I have never seen Howard give anyone a role again in the dressing room, ever. He always spoke nicely to you as a person. It's a human being, you know. And he never were horrible to any player. He was never horrible at how he spoke to players, even when players weren't playing particularly well. When he was having the bit of a blip at the time. He always tried to get the confidence in the players and he took the bruntur of it and he always took the phone. I'm not saying I want to play, but if you look at that spell, if I didn't play, I was on the bench a lot. I was on the bench about 18 times out of those games. It was my silly, silly stupidity to what I did. I don't blame anybody else. I blame myself on my career. I didn't fall out with him. He did not fall out with me. It was just being pettish. I've been childish and I say it now and I was wrong. Even afterwards, I knew I was wrong. I knew I was wrong and it was silly. I should have gone and I should have. This team was on to pick things and it proved it. So I had a good career. I was part of that Everton team, what wonder league, because I played enough games to get a championship medal. I was on the bench and he always said to me, he looked at it. Trevor is now playing exceptionally well, but I know even if Trevor is not playing, I can put you in. Then you can establish yourself again. If you can get on your mind, establish yourself. Just keep working hard and your time will come. I couldn't wait. I didn't want to wait. I'm not an audible person, Barry. I'm not. No, no. I will do out for anyone, but I want to play. I was one of those players, Barry. He didn't bother me when I played at Barcelona or Alifax Town. Now, Adrian Eave was obsessed with top players. You know, Stastuck. Stastuck and we go and watch the United play European Cup against Juvengers. Me, him and Reid. They talk about players and he used to get so excited and he finished up signing Caca. I remember saying to Rob Wakin-Jawson, I bet he'd been Stastuck when he signed Caca because he looked all these good-name players, a good player himself, didn't you? Don't get me wrong. Yeah, he was, yeah, yeah. We go to Man United for the European Games before we got into Europe and he'd talk about players and things like that. He used to say to me, tell me, calm down, you'll get back in. I just wanted to play. I just wanted to play. And I know I'm not a bad lad. I know I have never caused a manager problems as such because I always worked hard in training. I never miss training. I've never drank in my life. I'm telling you, I have got drunk a few times, but I've never drank beer in my life and I've never drank ladder in my life. If I've got drunk, you know, vodka and cocoa, becardi or wine, that type of thing. But if I've been drunk six times in my life and I'm 65, that's it. I've never really been a drinker, but I've been a womanizer, you know, and I've been a party golfer, so don't get me wrong. I'm not perfect, I'm not a thing, but I know I'm not a bad lad. I know I'm not a bad lad. Brilliant, brilliant stories and brilliant for you to take time out your day. I could tell you some stories. I'll tell you one little story. Go on, go on. I'll tell you one little story. After the semi-finder of the FA Cup, we get back and they're all drinking on the bus. And I had to drink that night, don't get me wrong. And then she got a white Capri, a gear. It was a white one. Three litre gear, Capri. Anyway, he's stopping at my house, but we drove his car back to Wales and he had to go down this estate, but Inge decided to drive over it and got the car stuck because the car was low. So we got, we said, the best thing to do with this is to push it over the top, because, you know, so we all get out of the car. So I said to Inge, when I give you a nod, when I give you a nod, rev the wheels, right, because it would all wet that night. And I said to Andy and Reedy, move away from the car when I give you a nod, because it's me in Wales. Bales, Andy, Reedy and me pushing the car. So I said to Andy, when I give you a nod, get out at way. And I put me and up for Inge to rev the car. I would do three, then just come out at way. And all the mud sloshed up into bales of space like, you know, if you'd have seen it, it was so funny. And bales were a bit barby. But me and bales were great in the dressing room for everybody. You know, we brought that sense of humour into the dressing room that took the pressure away from us, but obviously, I can only say, fantastic football club. Brilliant. I don't get back up there that much. And I don't get off it to get to go up. But I mean, now we're in that for a way. I'm not one for driving. I've got really bad knees. And when I sit in careful for that length of time, it's, you know, my knees are really bad, but it's an honor for me to be able to speak to someone at heaven. And I know you do it yourselves, this thing. Speak to fans. You know, I appreciate it. And I wore a part of the heaven. And no one can take away from that. I wore, I did good things for everything. There weren't bad things. Absolutely, absolutely superb. Like I said, Terry, brilliant to chat here. And hopefully we'll get the opportunity to do it again when there's some football back. And we can have a chat about that as well. Well, thanks very much for taking time out your day to speak to us today. Much appreciated. You're welcome. And thank you. And good luck when we get back playing. And let's hope that this great club gets back to winning major trophies again. Get Chefware back up as well and have some, have some good games. Chefware the Everton. With a great, with a great football club, we just don't, boys had owners what don't think they'd like. That was a different, people said to me about Everton, what's the difference? When I say Everton, no one will win trophies. We only dream that with my win trophies, you know, but whether we're in third division or whether we're in first Premier League, I'm a Sheffield Wednesday fan through and through, but I like to look at all the clubs and what I play for. And everyone's the biggest club. I will say that. The biggest football club I play for without doubt. Let's leave it there. Superb, Terry. Like I say, thanks for taking time out your day. Stay safe. Look after yourself, mate. And hopefully we'll speak again soon. Cheers, Barry. Thank you. Stay safe. You and your family. Big thanks there to Terry Curran for taking time out of his day to speak to us here at Toffy TV. Some great stories there. You can talk, aren't you? Top man, top man. Make sure you give the video a thumbs up, subscribe if you haven't and if you want more videos, join us on Patreon. See you later.