 No, that is all right. So welcome to the open up for summit plus PGG feedback session I think most of these faces are pretty familiar But if you haven't attended this before this is where we open up to the community to hear what you liked what you maybe didn't like Any questions that you may have around the logistics as well as the content that we had here this week Kindle here is showing the ether pad Where we are gathering responses feel free to jump in there and start typing around these different categories But we also have a mic here if you'd rather just talk through it with us Here with us we have so kindle and I are from the foundation who hosted the event But we also have our amazing production team effintech in the back as well as tippet who manages all of our software and schedule So if you have feedback, this isn't like something where we want you to be like everything was great Like we want to hear it because we want to fix it. It's a community event So you as a community can help us fix things that may not have gone well for you So that said the way that we organize this as we put some different categories up here So we go ahead and go through those and see what folks are saying So first we'll start with location Vancouver is awesome. Yeah, I agree. It's pretty you can see it. Yeah Exhibit exhibit a yeah Okay, this is who here is coming to the Vancouver open stack or open in for summit for the first time Okay, who's went to 2018? All right, and who went to 2015? All right. Okay. Oh, okay. Thanks y'all Okay It's diverse. Okay. We did have people from over 50 countries, which is really exciting And for 50% of the people here are new to an open in for events. So also great Diverse let's go to the venue the Wi-Fi Wi-Fi's worked great Clark thinks it was flaky for him, but what what devices do you have? I didn't hear that one Thanks It's been a day during the labs was slow to load. Okay 15 oh, that's great. I mean that's great for one part of it Okay, 15 people for the labs made it hard some androids. Well, that's because you're using an Android Let's be real More people love Vancouver Okay attendance Did you get to meet some cool people? I So I put attendance on there with regards to the sessions the individual sessions as opposed to overall Yeah, so we're we're forum sessions well attended were your talks well attended was it standing room only? That sort of thing. Yes. No Yeah, people are typing personally. This is my only session and it looks pretty good Forms were pretty well attended good My keynote went pretty well. Yeah, you're keynote data her demo worked. I think you're may still hear somewhere Okay, yeah, you're man Matt and Kendall for this forum or their keynote demo working where the hell is my t-shirt? Oh, sorry Metrics corner, but her G is our metrics partner Here do you want to just say it out loud? There's a mic right here. Yeah, we love our official metrics partner, but her yeah, thank you. Thank you One thing that I like better last year at the Berlin event was that we had breaks And so we could have our sessions in between breaks and people walking through in between sessions This time it was a little harder. Yeah that's good feedback and I I Email with y'all a few times and I was like, oh, that's true. We didn't like create that this time So that's really good feedback on that. What about the positioning? We're all good in the marketplace I know you're in the hallway the last time was this better. We're same Okay, boys level is too high Issues loading the schedule from time to time. I think that we figured out what that bug was tip it. Yeah Yeah It was a day one bug Okay A couple forum sessions were standing remotely. That's great t-shirts. Yeah Anyone who's seen someone wearing a we are open in for t-shirt. They ask us this question immediately So yes, we did tote bags this time, but we do Have, huh? Coolers, excuse me They could be a tote bag too, but anyways, so I would also like a hell t-shirt We do have we actually have finally stood up an online store of some sorts where we can actually distribute T-shirts and other kinds of swag more efficiently and we've been testing it out over the last few months because it has Store or like warehouses throughout the world. So our community is really diverse So is this swag store concept? And so it actually decreases a lot of the costs that we initially found so I'm hoping that even between events t-shirts swag Everything will become more accessible But not for a hell t-shirt whenever that might be Okay, oh the hallway track was good. Oh There's a there's a microphone, sorry Wes What if we want an extra cooler we have extra coolers, so if you would like one they are here They're down at registration. So we have around 75 extra. We ordered extra just to be sure we had at one for everyone So if you'd like to take one home to the family or a community member in your area that wasn't able to attend Please do so off-site lunch great to get out of the venue for air and space. That's great Did y'all feel like it was enough time for off-site lunch that you could come back and still attend sessions and get to the marketplace Yeah, okay, that's good Great location. Thanks, Michael. Oh board meeting enough time. Yeah Board meeting was yes. Thank you to Microsoft for hosting That location was really sweet All right marketplace So I know we have a few folks who actually staffed the booths in the audience as well as folks who? Ideally attended them as well any feedback on the layout what the booths provided the swag that you got No, I see a little tight It would have been nice if the patio was a bit more I don't know like you could sit out there or something Yeah, so similar to like Berlin where it was like a much larger space Yeah, I mean it just kind of set out where it kind of forces you to only be there for like a few minutes Okay, that's good to know So more signage around that being an area where you can go and take your mouth, okay Mario, please mix for every day. Okay Can you put your name next to it so you can sponsor it or your company? Yeah, no Appreciate the honesty Can you figure okay afternoon keynote so this one definitely was a switch up I'll provide a quick thing around the reasoning just because we had a limited load in and so we wanted to make sure that The entire summit footprint as well as the keynotes was exactly what was perfect for our community So The keynotes were awesome. It was a nice captive of the day. That's great. Thank you all for attending because yeah Jet lag hit pretty hard. Yeah, me too That's nap time It's after a really long day. That's that's fair Did the like snacks help though like having something to like eat like as a refreshment Yes, good. Yeah beer You miss the keynotes Jet lag by the complimentary beer might have been a jet lag issue Perfect you merge snacks were great the late-time help for those of us with delayed flights. Oh, that's a really good point Okay, I know we had quite a few folks. I think this whole CERN team was delayed I know and we they had to see us call them out because it's a keynote All right, so forum Good, I'm gonna skip the set so if you have boff or presentations feedback Feel free to drop that in but we're gonna go down to the things that already have comments to discuss The forum good time content and good discussions Glad to have a lot of operators joining awesome almost all forum sessions were packed. That's great 30 minutes was a little short in time So an hour so increasing to an hour. It looks like it's a really popular so For the like timing of the forum sessions we had 30 minute sessions and we had 70 minute sessions and In order to meet the demand with regards to the number of submissions that we got a lot of them Only we only had space for 30 minute sessions only a few made it as 70 minutes so we Expanded into a third day instead of just having it for the first two days and that gave us a little bit more flexibility But we still only had so many 70 minute sessions But something to think about for the future Maybe we flip flop it and have more 70 minute sessions unless 30 minute sessions, but that will be less forum sessions overall then so pros and cons Do people have opinions on the forum and PTG overlap? Because that happened for both days of the PTG I guess like from that perspective like is it better to have I mean because even someone said sorry. Thank you Even someone said I was reading down that like it concurred with interesting talks So is it I mean I know in the ideal world, of course I would assume that the PTG would not overlap with anything from the summit or the forum Is that like that's the ideal like everything works world? Okay What is like if the PTG had to overlap with something? What could it overlap with that would have the least amount of impact on the PTG itself and the involvement? It's it's adjustable I feel so little Now I know that we the PTG was brought in at the last minute in the contract and that's why there was the overlap I mean, I think the most ideal solution is Sessions with some form overlap and then like if we were Monday through Wednesday with some in itself And then changed Wednesday to the Friday or Thursday to Friday. I think is the most ideal I mean it it still means more hotel room for folks But at least you're saving on the flights Yeah, so I think it's more hotel rooms and it's more space for the production side So yeah, so there's definitely a lot of budget impacts with that But like in the future like I mean a lot of times as the events have you know changed and evolved like things are gonna Have to overlap. So maybe it's an ongoing conversation with what overlap provides the most productivity to continue because You know because we have our staff looked at all of the schedule before it went out and huge thanks to Clark actually he Highlighted I think it was like 20 or 30 changes He's like we need to move these sessions from overlapping and when the PTG schedule went live We were like, okay, these sessions need to change the Nova ironic people can't be in the same space at the same time Like so we actually proactively made sure that like specific projects or specific topics didn't overlap as much as we could So it's definitely something that's evolving. It's something that we welcome community participation on to ensure we have but But yeah, it's a little unavoidable sometimes Also, we welcome your feedback on that So if you look at the schedule a week two weeks out and you see something that is a glaringly obvious conflict Please let us know and we will do our best to address it because we Look at it day after day after day after day and it's all shuffling and changing and sometimes things get missed because we're a finite number of people I want to give a huge shout out to Josh. So Josh works at the foundation and And he single-handedly has been updating the schedule like tickets have been Flying in for the past several weeks and every day. I'm like Josh, are you okay? Like it's definitely been a lot He's been stationed at reg meeting all of the speakers for the conference getting them situated So it's really a huge shout out because it's a lot sometimes and all the club There's a lot of conflicts at once. So thank you Josh. This is his first summit. So he's like a little newbie back there Okay Having an in-person PTG is nice and having it together or directly after the summit is good But maybe not in the middle of the cycle. Okay Not many developers came to the PTG sessions Do you mean that who and you whoever you put it in the etherpad or say it out loud that? Developers on site didn't go to the PTG sessions or developers from the community didn't come to the in-person PTG Sorry Okay, so we did have yeah, so he was saying that the community didn't come here So we did have a lot of challenges with that in terms of international travel budgets or people's willingness to travel So it was our first in-person PTG in Four years in Shanghai. Yeah, so it was definitely we were considering they were seeing how it was But was it a particular project that was impacted or do you mean overall? neutron, okay Can we put coffee servers in the PTG room that was an intentional we left it up here to drag like to Attract more attention to like the sponsors who are helping us put on this event and to thank them for paying for that coffee But we could try and make it either closer or something like that But a lot of that does come down to budget and cost And if you want to sponsor it, we will put it down there for you Room was empty a couple times. I went there Okay, it was a big large room But a lot of the feedback that we actually got ahead of time is that some people wanted to zoom people in so I was hoping that With the distributed or the large room folks could distribute and maybe have more conversations that weren't as impacted by the noise regional cafe, okay Oh, this was great So all present teams being in the same room enabled cross-team conversations and collaboration opportunities That is what we have the PGG for so that's fantastic It would have been great if we could have nailed down times and locations before the start But overall my team is happy. What team was this who wants to oh? Cotted containers. That's fantastic. Okay Times and locations for before the start we can work on that and like kind of front-loaded a little bit more ahead of time That's that's great feedback Please don't overlap with the forum Yeah, that's what I was who's going to overlap overlap with the summit recorded sessions not the forum, okay? And I will say intentionally that was or originally that was Kendall's like big point internally and then we got an overwhelming Demand for more forum sessions. It was actually supposed to only be Tuesday And then we extended it to Wednesday as well. So that one it's yeah, we can work on that a bit more But we did try a little bit this time Yeah, okay printed list. Okay, so yeah So some PTG bought feedback so it's getting Adjusted it for you. Yeah, I know I already adjusted it So it was more the having to look at multiple places Yeah, I did hear that feedback So the schedule for the summit not having the PTG schedule in it and having to go to the PTG bought to find it And also the lack of the app being updated for The app the mobile app. Yeah. Oh, okay So you would go there and you could at least click through to the schedule and do it on the website Mm-hmm, even if there was maybe a link in there to the pgb Peachy there is in the PTG collaborative session Description there should be a link to the PTG bot. I mean I intentionally put my session right after the speed mentoring So that I would remember that my session was taking place so background the reason why we Didn't have all the PTG sessions in the like official summit schedule is because it's really Set up to be signed up for impromptu sessions Like some teams will plan quite far ahead and others You know, we're signing up for time like yesterday for today or vice versa And so keeping that up to date would probably make Josh's life of living hell And we like Josh and we want him to stick around so we didn't make him do that this time but We can definitely look into trying to integrate and import things especially as there is now Ikel Support being merged into the PTG bot so that you can import those sessions on your own calendar So something to look into in the future for sure, but that was why for this time. We like Josh Yeah, yeah Connecting members who weren't able to make it to the summit worked well But just because the room was big and pretty empty. It's almost no background noise. That was intentional. We did that on purpose So, yes Okay, yeah, that's a hardware ask. Yeah This time we didn't have the budget for that but something we can try to consider for the future definitely Why Omaha, Nebraska Is it an international airport even I Kind of don't think it is No, I know I don't think they do which means like that's off the list then Lots of people like soul. I like soul the food's great people are awesome public transit is stellar there People are very excited about soul Yeah, do we want to go back through one more quick time? Oh if people have feedback on the sef day, too I have a spot for that towards the bottom Sef day has anybody attended any of the sef day sessions. Did we know sef day was happening one guy? Yeah, buddy Those good sessions it's still taking place. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah good for them Except they may not have been here for the whole week So they're not as burnt out as we all are so we had ten minute breaks between the sessions and we thought that because of the Proximity of the breakout sessions to each other and the forum sessions and the PTG that ten minutes would be sufficient But did it not feel like it did it feel like you were having to rush and not have any time for a break or to grab coffee Or a snack or something. I have no idea what you just what? Okay, but you had enough time so sessions running over impacted that, okay You kind of met okay. No, I'm a little back around no app. So no app. Okay Kind of miss event right app for scheduling. I don't even know what the scheduling capability was there So what schedule if this person doesn't mind what scheduling capability do you miss from event bright? Or do you mean sked or do you mean? Okay, you meant sked Okay, so what capability do you feel like you're missing can you use the mic triva? Having this sked app and having like reminders ten minutes for a session started that is super helpful Especially when like you're like running from room to room I missed a couple of things because I was having to load up the actual webpage because iOS is a jerk and didn't want to subscribe to the Calendar Link that was provided which was great by the way, but okay So you didn't want to put it to your calendar, but sked would actually send those through its own Notification system. Okay. It's good feedback. Oh, okay. I cal had problems with that Another thing that I've noticed that sked does is it will also send you like a preview of your day So it'll be like these are all the sussing sessions you have on your schedule Now you get to type on somebody else's laptop. Let's all enjoy this It's going pretty well no app. Yeah, do we One two three four five six Are you Android people or are you iOS people one Android? Android Android Android produce Was there wasn't No, there wasn't an actual app umbrella. We haven't had an absence. Oh, I see I see I see Yes No, but kind of miss yeah Website the I cal export lacked room and location information. Okay. That's good feedback Too many conflicts that is the Summit curse it is hard. There's that's great that there's a lot of things that you want to attend though So that's a positive Even when we had a whole and that was even a bigger problem because then you're more exhausted It's hard to grab a pointer to a specific session from the schedule. Oh A link. Okay. My laptop died during a workshops and there weren't any sockets to charge. Okay On the app question can I'm just curious what you wanted the app to do that the website doesn't do Anybody has any input we'd love to hear it What do people miss from the mobile app And JP oh, don't write he said cashing the data as well. Yeah, I would like a hell t-shirt Yeah, that really Me So when it comes to making a t-shirt retrospectively for the event itself Like the answer is probably no like it's not gonna be a we are open in for a vancouver 2023 shirt. That's because Creating that I don't think know if there'd be as much demand, but we do have Someone's wearing it today. Terry right Terry. What you wearing? So yesterday he had on a we are open in for shirt that does not have a location I'm proud Laundry is important No, so we do have an open in for we are open in for sure if it does not have a location on it And that we do have in a store. So if you run a community group if you want just want it for you and your team We welcome. Oh It's thought who liked the otter this week Where's Lola stand up girl Lola created the otter And she actually while you're standing she created all of the awesome design and the graphics and she makes us look good So, thank you Lola. We can do a map in the future. That was that's a good call We thought about it, but we know there's a lot in the proximity, but we should have done it Yeah, great location. Thank you. Oh all-day coffee was great, right? Sarah over there she does all of our coffee and snacks. She makes sure that you're fed and caffeinated. So I've called her a lot this week. So she's she's brought it She also makes excellent cookies Yeah, you can sponsor those too. Did it what did the folks think about the day one breakfast? Yeah, you really liked it. Okay. We were worried because like keynotes are in the morning are usually a pretty significant way to get people in the building get everyone excited get everyone engaged so I'm glad that that worked and I mean I came in here and it was Squishy, so Some people are Some people are gross. Can someone clarify? It was not me Add whiteboards to the forum rooms, okay. I see Amy. How about thank you, okay? Okay, actually here so The future summits so that is a question I was telling West earlier I think I've fielded 20 times this week and I think it might have actually been 20 times today So this is something that I mean raise your hand if you're at the keynotes Okay, good, okay So we announced our two new regional hubs one in Europe and one in Asia as that is where we as a foundation are seeing the most growth from a membership perspective an individual contributor perspective and an adoption perspective So the challenge is like who's been to a summit any summit before? Okay, so you know that like getting that international travel approved can be difficult And it's something that we're hearing more and more and we also had a Significant number of visas that were canceled for this event. So something that we're exploring is Rethinking how we do events and how we do the summit So for a short answer, we don't have a location yet We do not have a month or day yet, but what we want is to make this a community Defined decision we need to know where are your companies willing to send you? Where are you as a person willing to go because the hard part is as events work when we're able to go together And that requires Budget that includes management approval includes taking time off to be able to engage in the conference so Right now it is a little bit of an open question because post-pandemic the event landscape has completely changed You know, there's we went from two summits a year to one But we also went from even getting approval to go to like three separate events of any kind can be really difficult So Rethinking are there other events we should? Co-locate with like FOSDM has come up a lot this week who goes to FOSDM Yeah So like thinking about events that we could you know go not have any overlapping content But encourage audiences to go to both events Are you raising your hand? No, okay? So like who Like okay between Asia and Europe so we'll start with Europe Like who knows that they would have travel or would assume they would have travel funding to go to an open infrastructure summit in Europe All right. Thanks, JP How about Asia? Okay, and thanks Helena. Yeah, our team is really being responsive and What like what about it depends like what are some of the factors that when you ask your management team for approval? They're like what are some of the questions that are asking you and particularly related to the open infrastructure summit that Gets approval or that changes approval to a maybe or changes approval even to a no What's the cost okay cost like total travel cost plus this the pass? Yep Okay What's your benefit to your employer? Yeah, like to in terms of revenue like does it need to be revenue driven? Yeah, what's your goal to be there? Okay, and what about does it differ between? What number of attendees number of it that's interesting, okay What is the threshold for that who said that that shows is that you a number of attendees? Okay, okay? Thank you What about so PTG versus summit so does having the PTG at the summit make it easier to justify it for you for those of you Who want to participate with the PTG? Yes, yes Okay Even though it's what it's a bad idea. Well some bad ideas can be good Yeah What other events are you going to that have similar audiences that you're like they should be at an open infrastructure summit You don't get to you don't get to go to other things. I'm sorry Tony computing, okay Why would Fosden be really hard for some people I can't hear you sorry One of the issues with Co-locating with Fosden is that there's so many other fringe events So like I know centos and the chaos project already have a presence there So it's almost like we need to co-locate with event. That's already co-located. They're such as one of those communities Thank you. What about Kubecon who goes to Kubecon? Alright Hey, I just say Fosden is doing a weekend So maybe it's easier like to do a summit like this during the week and then we can like Kubecon There are a lot of chances with doing it with Kubecon, but that would be two weeks Maybe or so even longer so maybe hard as well. Yeah, okay. That's good feedback Frozen winter challenges that is a yes, Jeremy. I know your your color on neether pad But it's very fair like the frozen tundras do not travel well during the winter I do not want to go to Minnesota or no, Mahon, Nebraska No Who what's flock connect? Okay, please add a link Okay, yeah So another question I have because I've realized we have a lot of PTG folks in the audience, which is great So considering like going to some of these events and having more of a regional Like regional presence versus like making it this massive global thing What are thoughts on we talked about this a little bit at the board meeting this week But what are your thoughts on the PTG and you know, does vert could virtual supplement that? I know that Everyone has a varying opinion on virtual, but you know How important is having the in-person PTG versus a virtual component? That wasn't a yes or no question So the virtual allows us to have more people at PTG So we get more interaction that way But as we've said throughout the week at the board meeting and other sessions We lose some of the cross-pollination Mm-hmm, and that's the fear so I Don't think the answer is to have virtual and only some people show up in person But that may be what happens, you know like so a representative of it who went to virtual then comes in person So I don't know what the exact answer is But we have increased our diversity by having virtual and at the same time we've limited ourself Diversity including newcomers as well, or is it mainly diversity for established contributors? I Don't know the numbers on the new contributors. I would say diversity in projects Diversity and project diversity of more people could attend because they couldn't get travel. Yeah. Yeah, okay But if folks don't know about the PTG if they're not working at a company They may not see oh, here's an event that's gonna be local to me that I can maybe go to and learn and join That's good feedback. Can y'all hear him? I'm coming to you So my impression is that virtual PTG was fine And we were able to do a lot of things in Newton team But there was like if there was session to get feedback from operators There was almost nobody and forum sessions here in person were much much better It's way easier to just Have a big room and go from one table to another table in a moment when you just are not interested in something So I used to jump from table to table and this is really really hard in Virtual PTG and it's nice to actually See them in person as always like in big companies everything is happening between the coffee shops and the coffee corner So yeah in person. I would also say that Virtual PTG's were more tended with when COVID hit but in the last year It was like dropping dropping dropping when the people were returning back to offices So it's become less attendance and it was like as a beginning. So, okay So one other quote here is pulled down though So one other question I have when thinking about events to either co-locate it with or have a presence with Gesundheit is around who goes to know who has been to an open in for day or an open-stack day or something like that Okay, and who goes to their local meet-ups just in their community Okay, so that I think is another option that we've thought about because a lot of the different open and for days have you know Especially particularly in Southeast Asia have particularly built a very large following I think Korea had like 1,100 people last year Vietnam had several hundreds. So thinking about ways to work with them Dmitri, yeah, yeah, so I actually have idea if we can connect to these local leaders and Well ask or propose them to know Get speakers from different regions to say events to get you know this connection links because right now I feel especially Asia is pretty much disconnected from what we are doing and they were But kind of represented or something so you might not know what they want what they need and So we kind of need to reconnect with this local events in a way Yeah, but it's basically up to like local leaders to invite some someone Yeah, and I think the really good thing about that though is that we just announced the open in for Asia and open in for Europe hubs and Every community organizer or almost every from those regions is actually participating in there So I think that those hubs will actually be a vehicle to channel those conversations up to the broader global community Or that's our hope But if you'd like to participate, please let me know So in terms of Co-locating with an open in for a day. We'd have to be careful not to Like in the career one most people would be speaking Korean right and then we get a whole bunch of International people coming and then ever suddenly the fast communication is slow because we've don't change the language Absolutely, and that's one of the things that makes those the most like so successful. Yeah So that is our agenda, but we want to open it up for any questions or comments Frustrations or for the production team if y'all have any other questions that y'all would like to know Well, thanks y'all. This is actually really helpful and feel free to keep adding to this ether pad We are going to keep looking at it over the next couple of weeks and as we plan for the next summit But again a huge shout out to our production team fntech who helped bring all of this to life For over 10 years over 20 events Uh Tip it as well. So we have JP Sebastian Gabrielle. They bring all of our digital signs our schedule Anything that your mouse clicks on they basically help us build Lola for all the design and then our the foundation staff So me and Kendall are not the only ones we have Wes and Fungi and Clark and Treva and Ildeco and By teary I see you behind that sign. I yeah in a different shirt Kristen Helena So, yeah, we couldn't do this without all of you and we really appreciate not only all of your feedback But just being here this week collaborating talking about your open-source experience Have fun with open-infra. Yeah