 It is 632, I'll call us to order. So all your people come here early? You're just Mr. On Time, I know everyone else is. I said, you won't be there yet. There's too much going on. And they're all here as if I got here for the break. It's the pizza that draws them in. I was very impressed. On my second pizza. First, well actually now it's a second order of business because it's called the order of savage. Public comment. I do not see any members of the public that's doing this live or via Zoom. So we're moving on to the approval of the minutes of February 15, 2022. It's a six to one pager. And I actually haven't had a chance to look at it. We could just kind of go quiet for a moment or two and see if it needs any amending before we approve these February 15th minutes. In the director's report, did these things happen? The 6% compensation increase and website upgrades? So the compensation increase was a cold off. It is actually 5.9 that did happen. Finalizing inventory. I'm not sure that that's complete. Website is certainly not complete. It's still in the works. And obviously because we're still working on and getting people to come to the school programs. And definitely, but having on point talk to staff about compensation. Are the people seeing any need for fixes? Typographical or otherwise? I've just got PayPal account, the abbreviation out of VACCT, minor. The welcoming of our new board members is put under new biz, but I thought we did that first. And I don't know if that matters, that the order of the minutes reflect the order in which things happened. I have no opinion, I'm not noticing it. So it's documented, welcome, welcome. That it's not, I'm okay with. Sounds like not an issue. No, great. If people... And did the other thing happen, the John Block studio naming? It has, nothing's been done with it. I mean, I think I'm thinking of a plaque or something if that could be done in here, but we are sitting in the John Block area. Yeah, good, great. I think that it might be a little bit clearer to say that the new board members were seated at the beginning of the meeting. In terms of votes. Yeah, there's not really any declarative statement that they were appointed to the division. Okay, so in the approval of the minutes, thank you. I think that is important, but particularly since you guys were voteable early on, not late on. That actually was part of the conversation. So any emotional approved minutes will get the typo and the moving of you're welcoming to... Did you create its own line item? Yeah. And that, yeah. So with one of the new directors, and I would just say, you can read the statement that says that Rachel and Chad were. Yeah, it came directly after public comment. It would be taped, but... Okay. So, okay, you make a good point. That's not such a petty move that's worth doing. If people are continuing to see things, we can catch them or could entertain a motion to accept. I mean, we accept the meetings with minor changes. Mike Doyle so moves to accept the February 15, 2022 minutes with the two changes. I'll second. And Sue has seconded. All those in favor of accepting the February 15, 2022 minutes, please indicate by saying aye and opposed. That is unanimous order of business taken care of. Moving us to the treasurer's financial reports, which Mike Doyle will lead us off and it'll bleed into Rob. Okay. PayPal has gone up considerably from the last time I saw PayPal. Last time I saw PayPal was about $15. It is now 3,049.79 cents. In our checking, we have $5,924.00 and six cents. Our savings, looks like we've just got to check. Our savings is 1,000, wait a minute, it's going to break out. 179,000, that's better. $772.00 and no cents. We've got something called Youth Lab, which I don't remember, but Youth Lab apparently has got $22,641.80 in that account. Okay, thank you. So to clarify, the PayPal account going up is due to the people who are signing up for the youth camps, the now, yep. And then the Youth Lab is a separate account that Christopher does have a signing power on that is for specifically for summer camps. And it's down to grand from February, which means there may have been some mistresses in there. Marketing and getting the order out. Yeah. Okay. Questions? I do have a question. Are we on TV right now? No, but we are being recorded. We are being recorded. It will end up on YouTube within the week? Typically, yeah. Actually, we had, one of the meetings you missed, we had a really informative presentation from Edward Jones, guy, do you remember his name? His name is Mark, wait. So that's Gwynne, actually available. And this, these proceedings will also be available too, but they're not live streaming. And actually he shared some financial advice that was like, ah, is that something you want to get on the, out in the public world? He was concerned and may look, make him look like he was pitching a specific stock. So Rob, you know, tactfully edited that little, little slice out. So yeah, we're not on a live stream. Which you've just referenced now. Now you have to, now you have to edit that out. That's a making the point, right? Okay. Well, we can't, you know, Mike states we are hiding things in our edits. No, no, no, I'm saying we were doing our guests a good, a good service by doing this. Mark said that he was robustly sharing his knowledge. And, and he said it was, I think they were very minor that he could, could be. Right. Right. And they're well-trained as the sharing where those lines are. We must, we must, we must, we must. Rob, do you want to roll into the budget sharing portion? Sure. So you have the budget versus actuals. You know, there's not a lot of things that I saw. The one thing I did see that was a little bit scary was the meals and entertainment at 97%. And I looked it up and it's because we are actually, we've paid the invoice for the van annual meeting next week, which we will get reversed for about $1,400. So that's why that one was up. That's not extravagant pizza prices. Well, on that note is the van work is hosting the first in-person from on access network meeting since 2019. Yes. And all board members are invited Friday. Next Friday, the 6th of May. Lunch is at noon and you can stay for the workshops. You can come for the business pieces, but they're boring or, I don't know, welcome for the morning as well as the afternoon. Yeah. So I think, you know, 99.38 is a pastry's coffee and then business starts at 9.30 or 10. So they go through the reports and talk about, you know, financials that approved the budget and then there's voting for new board members. They're also looking at the new statewide programming committee members to be voted on. There are some vendors that do show up and showcase some of their products. And then they have lunch and in the afternoon we break out into sessions. We typically have two sessions, one is sort of geared towards the gear heads, the tech people, and then there's no one that's sort of geared toward the executive directors of policy. So this year, I was just at the fan meetings, fan board meeting this morning. The idea is that the policy one is really going to be geared towards the statewide channel and what to do with it now. And I don't know if the new board members know this, but a couple of years ago there was mediation that happened between Comcast and the state of Vermont concerning their certificate of public good. They had sued the federal court and the federal court required that we go into mediation. And as part of that mediation agreement, which we finally got to after probably three or four sessions that summer, was that they offered, because one of the things we've been asking for is HD channels, so for our channels to be in high definition and they've been resisting that. So what they offered was a statewide high definition channel to be managed by the Vermont Access Network. And I chaired the committee that set that up. It's now been in place and operating since December of 2020, and we're there. What do we do with this station? How do we, you know, there's sort of a different idea if like you couldn't go anywhere from promoting Vermont and tourism to only showcasing the access centers that sell themselves and the content that comes out of it. So there's a pretty robust discussion happening in band with regard to what do we do with this asset that we have which people recognize as a pretty valuable asset. And presently it's kind of public access where it sits and does not do independent production. Discussion of perhaps. You know, I think the biggest discussion is capacity to actually manage it. You know, we got the channel but we've got no operating funds and Conquest was very adamant about the fact that there would never be any additional funds. So right now it's being managed coming out of the van dues. There's probably 15,000 in there that is going towards a somebody who schedules the channel. And then there's a bunch of money sitting there that they did give towards capital expenditures for equipment and stuff like that. So there's some talk about what do we do with that? Is it limited to what we could do with it? But the idea is that, you know this thing is such an asset that we should be able to capitalize on it and even monetize it somehow. And you know, with its underwriting but even that discussion gets into are you competing with the local access center if you're going out after sponsorships and underwriting for this statewide channel when we're trying to figure out how we're going to maintain our own budgets and stuff like that. So there's. Was that agreement of president setting has Conquest done that any other states or other places? No, not that I know of not on each one. You may want to blow our horn on that. Yeah. I know they certainly been interested in Massachusetts when I've been talking about it. So I served on the Alliance for Community Media Northeast Region Board and we'll report on what's going on in Vermont. And so they've been very interested in what's been going on with the statewide channel and also the work that the VAN community has been doing with regard to going to legislature for an appropriation. Well, maybe you can name it the Chapman Compact. So to attend the meeting on Friday do we have to register in advance? So there's a free ticket, you know I just let you know if you are interested just let me know what I can or I can send you the link or I can just send it ourselves. So there you go. Friday to six. Six, yeah. I'm going to show up for lunch and beyond. But yeah, the morning's open too. Yeah. My turn is the, I forget what you called the morning set, the business part. Yeah. So I think it's 10 to like noon for that. Okay. After that, I will probably. Yeah. So the, yeah. You want to come for lunch at noon? After lunch, probably. Yeah. So is it over there? Yeah. I mean, depending on what's going on. Yeah. Love to sort of pop by. Sure. Absolutely. Why don't you send us all the link? I will. Is it all? Yeah. Thank you. I guess back to the financials. Does van pick up? Do are we fully expensing that ourselves? No. And it was probably because, you know when I was van president I used to try to get the whole state in place to pay the advance budget is at the point now where they feel, although it's this particular rental is more than they had budgeted, but they have approved the additional expenditure in part because you know used to be would go to the access center, but because it's getting quite large in the number of people that are attending. Yeah. Turnouts like 70 to 70 people. Many access centers can not facilitate that. So we took it over to the chapel. Even in COVID we wanted to be able to throw some out, spread some elbow room and stuff like that. So the college rented us the chapel and then there's room underneath too for break up sessions too. And then the food. So in the chapel we get, they rent the chapel to us. Do they get publicity for being community minded? Not that I know of. Shouldn't we make sure they do? There's me and they want to rent that again. Sure. Yeah. Post chapel. I will pass it on to Mike. All right. What's the opposite of the process? Success. Success. More questions, commentary. Would you like me to go see you? The Ed Jones statement? Or does that make sense? Who gets those videos? Quickly pull that out of my office. The market hit. You got a number you can dig up? Yeah. Okay. Sounds like a pause for refreshments. Yes, it does. Have you seen Bill? The last time I saw Bill was at the beginning of the summer. And so last, last time that was, that was when COVID broke for the first time and everybody had their two vaccines, they allowed me to go on the team. And then. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just last time. And I saw him, I don't think he actually remembers who I was. Now it could have been a way to steal him back, a particular day of the year. It was not a long, long time before I'm doing it. I did, over here, a couple of people at the time, I think it was when I saw at the restaurant, they had seen Bill or something. I think he was okay. That's all I over the liquor. Hmm. All I over the liquor. I'm not just like 95. It's 90. Stronger member of the board. I'm meeting some people for the first time. Hi, I see you. Hi, I see you. And I know, nice to see you, sir. Yes, indeed. Nice to meet you. Did you land a plane out in the comments? Or did you just walk in from a car? I just landed in the car, but I did land a plane yesterday at Lebanon's home and called in a squawk list. Well, I was thinking last night when I saw the attempt to chain planes to the two skydivers that had two planes, and they decided to see if they could switch planes in the air, unfortunately, one of the planes crashed. Yeah, they pulled a shoot on it, but not only that, but I heard, I just heard that the FAA has been like, don't do that, and they did it anyways. Yes. That is never, never, I mean, that's the one thing. I mean, I've heard of dumb tricks before, but there was one thing. I mean, it's the Red Bull guys are all crazy. Listen, are you going to do that? Tell us a little bit about it. Chad and Rachel, virtually, yeah, it is so nice. So, you're Chad, it's great to meet you. You, Susan, great to see you. Hi, nice to meet you. Yeah, so, pause here in the middle of the financials. Oh, great. There's some things for you. Rob needed to grab some, well, there's a piece behind you and then paperwork in front of you. And Rob grabbed Edward Jones' numbers to see just how the market goes. Mike has a message about some of the Fiverr board meetings. They are, they are, there is, the reason that's big news for Vermont is there's $100,000 in interest payments in the state, and, I mean, $100 million in interest payments, actually, 98 by my calculation. So, that's... And you're going to that after this? It's got to be virtual. Okay. But what we've made here, is that there's a second one here. Okay. So, well, yeah, we'll let you grab your piece, but you're up to speed on, we are on financials. Okay. Yeah. A treasure reported out, and Rob is now moving into the... Well, Mike has the document, so Michael... Oh, great. ...handles the bad news. He actually anticipated the bad news. There's bad news in addition to you. Uh-oh. Yeah, Rob handed me the monthly Edward Jones report. Oh. Now, this year, the 30th of January, so you remember, but January was actually pretty good for the old stock market. I think January was... Well, that was when we became president. At the beginning of the year, we had $3,324,000. $324,000. Now we have $312,000. So, the same thing that has hit everybody else has also bit us. This is not terrible news. That is not a terrible loss. We will be able to make that money up if the market begins to rise again. And... That was $324,000 down to $312,000. That's right. We lost $12,000. Now, we haven't lost that money yet because we haven't sold anything. But we may be losing money that I don't know about, is that I think we started drawing off this account. Now, we're not drawing anything on this account. We should be okay. Budgeted for that potentiality. However... However, there's enough in the savings account for us to anticipate to go a year before we actually went into the reserves. So, we've been conservative in our budgets to the point where we actually have a pretty good amount in the savings. We get a quarterly check from Comcast. And in 2018, I think is when we got... We saw the significant decrease in the month because of an accounting change. And at that point, we were getting close to no cash when to finish out the quarter. And I think even one time, we had to go get $10,000 a cover before the check came. But in the subsequent years, with the move up here and cutting the staff people, cost reduction, we were able to get it up. So to the point right now where I think, as Michael was saying, we have about 170,000 in our savings account. And we are getting close to another check coming from Comcast. I think if it comes back, the first quarter check would become probably in May, in the middle of May. So that's not bad. We're not on tune at that point. I think we can probably go if we were going to delete that. It would go for quite some time before we even had to go into reserves. So Mike, when it's down 12,000, does Edward Jones keep track of what stock it was that took us down that path? If you want to get into the week. No, I don't. I just was curious. The answer to your question is yes. But you know, but you know, you don't look like sort of person. You need to be an accountant. No, no, I understand. To get together. I was just curious to know what's taking us down. Yeah. I mean, this is like a blip in the stock market right now. Right now, if you want to buy stocks, this might be a good time to look at it. Of course, then again, they could do them further. Yes, that's what I'm five points or something. Anyway, today it was 800. Yeah, 500 and 800 has become a commonplace. I do remember when 500 was a disaster. Yeah, so much. The difference here is the is the dollar at size still is. Well, the difference is that when 500 was a disaster with the stock market, the Dow Jones is 12,000. It's now it has been as high as 36 and pretty close to 37. That was back in January. It's now 32. But the question from a fundamental standpoint is whether the US dollar is going to remain the reference currency. Well, hopefully it will. I certainly hope so too. Because I don't want to be a. I think the next thing to be looking at for those of you who might choose to speculate with your own money, get quite a crypto currency. Yeah, don't make that kind of no government controls. Great segue. Our new source of income, the state government, could you walk us through check number one, check number two and how that impacts are fine. I was just going to say so on my desk is the check that I received from state of Vermont for twelve thousand five hundred dollars. And this is the budget adjustment request that we made beginning of this legislative session. And this is we have been going through van to the state state house. And first of all, to educate them about the fact that these cable revenues will anticipate we'll start going down. And there are some indications that that's the case, you know, depending on where you look at in in Vermont, for instance, Burlington is seeing a significant five percent decrease and probably due to the fact broadband is pretty available in Burlington. So it will lag in some of the more rural areas where people still are relying on cable. So, for instance, I think Orca is pretty flatlined. You know, when I keep a look on the quarterly checks, we're, you know, we're pretty flatlined. But, you know, who knows when that will change? Well, we'll keep an eye on the quarterly. So in looking at how to go to the legislature, the idea is that there needs to be some policy change around telecommunications and funding for community media. Which is a very robust discussion which will need to be taking place. But until then, where we went to them and said, for three years, let's do some bridge funding. So each year we'll come back to them. The first was that a budget adjustment for three thousand, three hundred thousand. Currently, we're hoping that six hundred thousand dollars that we're asking for will sit tight in committee right now. They're trying to get out of the session by the end of next week. And the advocate that we hired action circles is like, we hope that we are not in the discussion because we're sitting in there. And so hopefully nobody will bring up our name and we will see the six hundred thousand dollars go through. Van is trying to figure out how to equitably distribute that funding based on, you know, can we bring in a formula which says, you know, you're you're seeing a decline in your revenue, cable revenue. So therefore this money should go to you. The first three hundred thousand dollars that was, you know, after we went through and tried to come up with a formula, it really was decided to just kind of split it evenly amongst the twenty four access centers. And the benefit of that is regardless of. Right. So a smaller access center, like the Hardwick or Windsor, that money will be significant to them and will help them. So and the larger access centers, it's not big of a thing. So we sort of inherent in the way that, you know, the budgets was that this will help the smaller centers. And, you know, it's not done on a progressive scale. It's done. Everybody gets its last thing. But they are sort of grappling with how do we come up with a formula that sort of addresses the people who are feeling the hurt more than the other people are seeing. Do you expect that conversation to come up May 6th? I don't think so. I think that's, you know, that that. I think that's that'll help it, you know, it could, but I don't really think so. I think, you know, at that point, we'll either know that we've got to six or a thousand and then Van will get into a discussion in the summer as to how do we distribute that. It looks like that. OK, thanks. Other financial stuff for you guys to know is that the nine ninety has been filed for twenty twenty one, which was surprisingly early in prior years. The account that we use M.G.V. Associates in Colchester has often filed for an extension and we typically could get two or three month extensions for nothing. I mean, it was like Evan was telling me we just filed for a six month extension. But for some reason it showed up on my desk at February. And I was like, Evan, why is the tax return here done? It's like, we're getting it done earlier this year. I'm like, great. All right. So the twenty twenty the twenty twenty was filed in November. And then I just filed the twenty twenty one tax return to nine ninety. So that's all taken care of. And I get you a copy or if anybody wants to see a copy of the tax return, let me know. I can get that to you. Surprises actually. Not able to help me with a problem that I've got with the Montclair Historical Society. Yeah. They're trying to become of 501 C3C3 and they've got a question. Maybe you get the nine ninety. And then you get the document that actually makes you. Apparently we ran into a catch twenty two. Apparently you can't submit one unless the other is already there. Yeah, you get your letter of determination first. You place your letter before you get your nine ninety. If I if I could give your telephone number, say, to the current president of the Vermont Spirit Society, you might like to get a little advice from. Sure. I'm happy to do that. And if I could get a copy because I'm ahead of another 501 C3 with its letter of determination, but it's its first year of tax filing. I'm taking a copy of the tax return of nine ninety. Yeah, because then I can shoot it over to our treasurer who was like, oh, I've done these before. And then I'm like, so anyway, it's not related to Orca, but thank you. And your question, Dave, surprises. Very simple one. Good. We're non-profits, so there are no taxes. I don't want to surprise. Yeah, we don't have any funny stuff with different subsidies or anything like that. So and the donation that I see here, we just had one five hundred dollar donation in the rest of those grants and interest and dividend. Yeah, the donation, five hundred. And I shouldn't recall what that one. It's forty ninety. I see it on the list. Just don't recall where it came from. Are we going to have any trouble because our donations are much smaller than our capital gains and interest and dividend income? We've never had a trouble in the past. I mean, if we first filed when you filed the ten twenty three for taxes, get status, it is a bit of a anomaly. You see a five one, one, three, half, basically just one source of income. So you have to sort of explain here's the unique situation. We get a big check from the tax. It's not actually you could look at about as a lot of little checks from cable subscribers, you know, three dollars from here and there that it's funneled throughout somehow, but they really check it's caught by Comcast Corporation. So there's a little bit of an explanation as to why that happens. I think I may get to come in the solution that you're trying to get to. Things I've never thought of is is legally the Comcast check to us consider a donation and is that are they writing that off? I don't think that's a donation. I think it's a franchise. It's a franchise. That's the language. Thank you. OK, other conversation about financials. The last thing I would say is that with my departure, the credit card, which is tied to my social security number, will be going away. So I've been talking to staff about how that is. So we also need to make sure that the signers on the accounts are all set up, which I think most of the accounts are Michael and Rachel and I. But I was going to Council on adding Mike, the chair as well. And then when you do get to a new director, you have to go through that all right. And speaking with Jim, there's there's talk of good comfort among staff with if needing a transition or an interim period, they're willing to they would rather wait for the right person and then jump on someone before the day we so I don't know. Consideration of maybe a staff member. In that period, would also be able to sign or is that just that's get into into the weeds? I don't think that's necessary. I mean, Christopher already has it on the use document to your lap. So there's you know, there's some precedent for the fact that he has access to it. OK, he doesn't have access to the big accounts. I mean, that's just the fun thing about it. It's for the talk back to your lab. The thing that, you know, I'm getting rid of the credit card, but there are debit cards that can be tied to the checking accounts. And, you know, currently I have one that's in my name. I don't think it's as tied to my self security number as the credit card is. So that can sit there for a while. I don't think there's any problem with it sitting there until there is a new director. But obviously, if you if you prefer to get another debit card in, you know, if you get you on as a signer and you want to get one in your name, that's also potential for that as well. So handy or essential in terms of the running of the things I have that plastic card. A lot of bills I have tied to the credit card. So like the insurance, so it's, you know, it's really just, you know, yeah, it's an easy. I go somewhere between handy and essential. OK, it's in between gray area. Certainly very handy and staff. I told them if you have any major purchases that you want to do for equipment beforehand, then this would be the time, you know, while my credit card is still there, but it will. You've got to text messages. You've got to drive somebody. There are people waiting to call, aren't you? No, no, I got the person. Oh, you got that figured out. I thought I was all clear. So it may be a motion to add Michael to the, you know, sometimes I think when I've done signers signature cards at the thing, either the story seems to change every time I ask. Sometimes it's just something on the letterhead. Sometimes they want to see minutes where there's been a motion to add it. So I think just to be clean, you know, you may want to make a motion to add signers on the account to move me and add Michael. Effective a certain date. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it has to be an effective certain date. You know, I think just a motion to who the signers should be. So I mean, if it's. You know, we can be Christopher on the documentary live, but the other ones, it could be Mike, Rachel and you. So that would probably be the motion. OK, and I can't make it as. Sure, so I think props fishing for a motion. So moved. And is there a second to clean up the signatories? Also, and Mike has seconded all those in favor, please. And keep it saying aye. And those. That's unanimous. Got some business done within the financials. More to do or could entertain a motion to accept the financials. Mike has so moved. And Rachel has seconded. I was in favor of accepting the financial reports. Please indicate by saying aye. That also carries unanimously, leading us to the final. Chapter Memorial Executive Director. I'm not dead yet. It's not dead yet. How long are you still here? Is there a date? So the first week of May will be my last full week here, which is next week, which is next week on the 9th. I'll do a Monday, Wednesday, Tuesday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday in Beverly and come back for a Thursday, Friday to help with the transition. And I'll do that again the week after that. And then the week of the 23rd is when I am full time down there. That does not mean that I'm not available for a phone call. Can you explain how to invoice? Do your stuff. And I was just thinking tonight on the way over here, I said, well, one thing for Rob to go, but, you know, all around the freaking state, you know, everybody knows that he's the director of us. And so maybe we should hide the fact that you've left so that nobody thinks you're a leader list. I think the doors are already open. OK. Here we are. Well, actually, I was thinking similar to a different just to me with Jen. She expressed staff, good level of confidence that they could carry out the day to days. And just not an accurate assessment. You echo that or there are areas where like, that's going to be the tricky. I would echo that. There are some areas that I would say need some attention, you know, certainly who's going to have access to the QuickBooks, who would take care of paying bills. I think Jen's online to do payroll. So I think Christopher would like to learn how to be able to do that. So I was thinking if anybody might be him, I don't know if that gives him an up on the director or something like that, but he's certainly very interested in the budgeting and keeping track of that and invoicing because some of the money we're bringing in has to be invoiced. And so. Right. But other than that, it's a pretty short list of sorting left. Yeah, that's about. Well, somebody needs the big picture, the band connection. And Christopher helps with that because he is the project coordinator for Vans. So he does have a lot of ties to Vans. So he I think is capable of keeping up on that. Jen and Zach tend to be sort of reluctant on that front. So of interacting with the other access centers. So I think that Christopher as a community engagement manager does have the wherewithal and the capacity to be able to maintain that. So Michael's been involved in some bad stuff in the past. So I know it's certainly and you guys are coming to see them on Friday next Friday. So OK, so the week that they're here, the bands here, yeah, will be a week that you're doing some things here and some know that will be the last full week. So you will have your last full week. OK, so we should dress you up for all the gear that we've got. I'll be wearing my stuff. OK, I just I don't want you taking your golden parachute leaving from Massachusetts. No, no, no, no, no, but there is something that is on the horizon that you guys need to think about, which is the orca annual meeting that never was held, which always used to be in the spring, but COVID moved it to being like the virtual PowerPoint in the fall, which I've probably made sense to maintain that date, but make it live. Well, so the bylaws actually state that it should be in May unless there's a motion by the board to do it at some other time. I would like let's see an open house with the new executive director. So yeah, so you might want to just make a motion to look at. Hold on. No, have we appointed a new executive director yet? Are we about to? Here's where we are. Thank you. I've got two board member volunteers. Thank you so much. The hiring committee is born. Jen, myself, Chad and Sue, we've got two resumes in. Well, we'll create an email thread for brainstorming questions. Maybe have one remote kind of. How, prior to interview number one, and I've given all members of the hiring committee now have the two resumes and the staff's kind of vision input. The staff met and kind of where do we want this organization to go? How do we want the culture to be? So hiring committee members all have that in hand. And so clear next steps. What are our ethical and moral standards in terms of the search? We are we capable of stealing someone that we want from another group that's coming here? Well, that's right. Van's going to be here. I was just thinking that I had the opportunity or should we go to an executive session? No, that's actually a good thought. I mean, getting the I I getting the word out is key. And it feels like, oh, geez, only two resumes, but it's early. We still haven't got our first seven days at and yet. But the van community is aware like you threw it into the listserv. You want to just do it? Here's here's where we spread the news that we're looking for somebody. Yeah. So it's it's a fun thing on our website. It's gone out on our social media. And I've listed on LinkedIn. It's gone into seven days, seven days. It's actually it's online at seven days. It just hasn't gone to the print. It will be in the next two print editions of seven days. I've listed it with Common Good Vermont, which is sort of the nonprofit association in Vermont. I posted it to the ACN Northeast Facebook page, which I have access to. So and then there's a where do we also we're looking at indeed.com? Yeah, any other suggestions people want to throw around? We just get the word out. Front porch forum. Front porch forum is difficult in that it's so targeted, you know, so it's like I can list here in my affiliate, but I can't list in anywhere else. So I mean, you have more numbers, right? So I can send you guys all a link and say, you know, here's, you know, here's the link to the website. And basically, it's the front page. What can we get out of work? Just in case we have to have a local candidate. Yeah, you're going back to my ethical moral questions. Is there I think it's appropriate for the rights of your privacy to indicate that you've found another position? Yes. And that you're not leaving because we're throwing you out. So I'm just saying that a lot of times people want to know, why is there an opening in this field? Yeah, is it is a job too big at this point for one person to do? Is there is the person at a point where they've had an argument with their board and they're left over? I mean, I don't I don't think we can answer that in a job search, but there might be a few things that could hint that you went on with your career into an area that was something very attractive. I mean, social media does say that Rob is going on to Beth Cam. He's accepted a position as the. OK, all right, I just wanted to make sure that it was clear. I think that would probably take care of what you're talking about. So, you know, it's not the fact that Rob is being hauled off to jail for investments or anything like that. You haven't found out yet. As far as you guys know, this was across the state. Is it just an open and it searches? There are applications accepted until a closed date. We left it open until bill and staff is saying we don't mind the long goodbye, I mean, you know, even after you're gone. And actually, Jen and I talked about sort of. That that period of time being like that we were we're in a transition plan. And that rolls right into a strategic plan so that we're launching something we've kind of always talked about. But it seems like with a new director to just kind of say, hey, look. Built this on ramp, this transition plan you are now tasked with. And of course, we're all here to help you build it. We need a strategic plan involved. And I will say that, you know, I've seen a number of strategic plans that just kind of go down a hole because they weren't shepherded by somebody. So I think if you take the time to find a consultant to work with, one of the best examples I had was when I worked with Stephanie Mahar, who is here in Montpelier, when I was at VKM, she went through a community needs assessment where they brought people in from the community and it was a very robust, well-informed document provided to do that. So if you go down that road, and maybe the new director may have experience with it, but I've often sometimes found strategic planning just means, oh, we're going to have a retreat and nothing comes to it. So it is a process that really does warrant some consideration and possibly bringing the outside help to, you know, allocate the funds for that. And there may be a preliminary phase, but then you implement it. That seems to be a lot of organizations. Yeah, and trying to come up with metrics is always something where I'm like, how do we tell if we're meeting our metrics and actually doing the work, you know, in the community, media, environment, what does that look like? How do you say we have met our goals with this particular metric or something like that? And is that an increase in programming? Is that an increase in people coming through the building or gone through some programs? What does that look like? So I mean, I'm just saying that I don't often have the answers. It's just something that I would appreciate guidance with and, you know, allocating some funds to be able to be shepherded through that. And as I said, it was the most rewarding was when we actually did hire Stephanie Mahar and her partner, Nancy Wasserman, who really just knew the stuff and were able to sort of shape it in a way that really felt it got somewhere, it got something. And actually, I just pulled that through the needs. This has been a shared staff. And so if you guys, anybody wants to see the one note we get with the can in 2008, 2009. I'll get an example of what the product would look like. So do we need any kind of motion about postponing the May requirement? If you can turn that into a motion. And that we decided to leave it within reason. And and Timeline is a finding a new director to have an annual meeting as soon as the new director is settled in enough to be part of it. All second. I know you have well spoken and already seconded. Could I amend it and say you'd like to include naming the John Block Studio officially at that? Yes, at that as part of a ceremony as part of that open. We have yet to have our open house due to moving here in February of 2020. We have yet to invite the public in to a true open house. To that point, the annual meeting is a lot of business that we have to conduct. There's no election of officers or I mean, actually election directors. There is an organization that takes place after the annual meeting where officers are supposed to be up for election. That's falling into the fall of the last two years. But it's just there isn't a lot of them. Right. Yeah, you know, I'm just the only of it all moving here in February of 2020. But because there hasn't been really a lot of business that takes place at the annual meeting. And sometimes we've completed reports and tried to come up. You know, I think the first couple of years I had some pretty glossy, nice reports that were done. And mailed them out. But it didn't get a lot of it was a rather large expense that didn't get a lot of back. So sometimes it'll be just like one sheet with some numbers saying this is how many new programs we had. Just trying to throw some information to people. But really, we look at it as an opportunity to sort of have it as an open house and try to bring people in. So, you know, so oftentimes it turned into a bit of a, you know, some food for the people who typically are staff and the regular producers and board members. But, you know, sometimes we've tried to do it live on the air and present reports. So on the old days, Sean used to have it out in the lawn in the year. Yeah, customs. So I mean, that's something for you guys to consider. It's not showcasing the space, which just doesn't feel new anymore. But that's why, you know, I even built it as the annual meeting slash open house so that it was an opportunity to bring people in, talk about what Orca does and try to get some interest in it. And sometimes it's been not many people. Sometimes it's been a little bit better. Or you could have some dignitaries be invited. I think the path of skin one time that's both for a little bit. If you get, you know, it might be worth, you know, trying to get some people like the governor to come in and say a few things. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for that motion, Dave, to bias that room. Other executive director report, you'd like to direct us towards. So that's the staffing was obviously on motion. And yeah, yeah, certainly we can keep that conversation going. So we have a thought or two that no, I just, I mean, I think we're going to finish that subject before we we vote on it yet. We have voted on the motion. Oh, you're right. And seconded and I acknowledge thank you and I've never voted on it. Thank you. I didn't sleep well last night. 20 excuses for it. But all of those in favor of. Post voting our annual meeting open house beyond the May date. So our new executive director can settle in. Bear capturing. Yeah, please indicate by saying hi and opposed. That passes unanimously. Thank you, sir. Good catch. And back to our director swan song report. Yeah. So I mean, obviously. It's it's a transitional time. I don't know. I mean, I some of the committee members in Ireland may have asked for some input. Michael and I have been talking about, you know, exit interviews, you know, what can I pass to the new director of information? You know, whether it's a written form or it's just accessibility when they get here for them to be able to call me up and talk to me about how do you do this staff? And I've been obviously having many conversations about the transition. But, you know, it's been a wonderful 10 years at work media. You know, I think I posted something on social media or Chris asked me for a quote about it. And I, you know, part of it was the the actually. So my daughter's mom posted something about how the young women that my daughters have grown up to be in this community has been such a big part of what that is. You know, and so when I realized that when I got here in 2011, they were in second and fifth grade and now they're turning 1821 and they're these amazing women that I think no small part is due to the community that embraced us, the family and took us in. And the organization part of it, you know, one of the benefits of being in the job that I have is you're almost immediately into the community. You know, I think the first time I took the direct job was when I moved to California and took the job at the Access Center in Monrovia, California. And immediately, you know, you know, people know, you know, because of the job you're involved in the community. So it's already happening in Beverly, Massachusetts. So it's been, you know, first of all, having grown up in Stowe, being back up in the mountains of Vermont and you're not having spent some time in the Champlain Valley or California. So it's been great that they had that opportunity to grow up in such a small community. Montelier High School is great. Orchid Media has been great. They all talk about how they have so many kids who know who their dad is because he's the Orchid Media guy or that they know they came through and I saw your dad is that, you know, so how many miles is it from here to Beverly? Three hours drive. So what is that? That's probably 240 miles or something. It's just north of Moth Boston, probably, you know, 40 minutes on the coast. I'm 93. No, no, it's further. You have to cut over 95 and you go in further. I don't know when or where we are, you know, we want to spy on. Well, I hope that people will come and visit, you know, I'm going to try to learn to like fish and see food. I don't have never liked this. I was actually googling how does somebody who hates fish learn to like to eat it? Well, you drink a lot of lobster fish. Yes, I had it. But the white fish or something like that. And then they were the fish talkers and I was talking with this one, my mother was in Florida and she's like, I've never liked fish. I can't get past my nose. I'm like, I know I am. So it was just funny to see what sort of suggestions. Fish talkers was a big one. They're like, you know, just very. Although I was in Cancun once, I did have fresh fish. The fresher the fish is the easier it is to get past your nose. It doesn't smell and how it doesn't have a strong smell. It's a legal seafood there and on the waterfront there in Boston right there. Yeah, it's outside and actually be done there this Thursday. Yeah. So it seems like a great community. You know, it's when I was doing the interview and telling them how much we actually produce here at Orca, you know, and the amount of content that comes through in the 14 towns where we serve their jobs kind of dropped. It's like, how do you how do you do that? And it's a lot of, you know, of Jim and Zach who are busing their butts every day and our time people that are coming to edit. And it is a lot of communities. And so it'll be interesting for me to shift. There's a lot of sports. I haven't done a lot of sports since I was at the California job. So that's, you know, and the access center is actually located in the high school. So it's a very small studio. So I'm like, you know, but I am looking forward to getting to know the North Shore. I'm looking forward to having the accessibility to the Boston City, Boston. I've often said that I will never live anywhere near Boston because I hated Boston. But I've tried to shift that now. I've been well, it's funny because when I was high school, my girlfriend and I were talking about she's loved L.A. And I loved New York and I'm like, oh, L.A. sucks. I will only live in New York. And Boston was another part where I was like, no, Boston, Montreal is right there. So it's funny that I will now have lived in L.A. and now in Boston and never lived in New York or Montreal. But yeah, I'm looking forward to having a major city and the availability that you have with the arts and culture and diversity that are there. But and but of course, Vermont will always be in my heart. You know, where I grew up, where my kids grew up. And yeah, there'll be no problem. That means as compared to when I moved to California, I mean, that I'm three hours away and my daughter will be here this summer. So I do expect to be up here quite a bit. And I would like to say that there's some major things that you've accomplished in your 10 years, but just a couple of them were moving the studio from downtown to up here, which was a big job and making the connection with the legislature, which sort of put us on the map. Across the state, you know, those were really good connections. Oh, it's the neighborhood right beside the bridge. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is common cause. This is it's been all plus it's getting up here. And thank you for executing that because there was a ton of moving parts, you know, from idea to action is that's tricky to do. And we were you were talking about your daughter's kind of from preadolescence to like functional young adults. That's kind of where you brought work as well. I mean, we the amount of production we crank here as just a matter of course is it's it's I think it's unmatched. So you've taken us to a plateau and I do I think soon articulating really well that we hope you kind of on your way out the door, share what you would see our next in our next big plateau, what it would what it would look like. Yeah, I you know, I you mentioned that earlier. I was like, you know, what would I say, you know, as far as like Michael, I think you asked, you know, where are the things that are sort of left hanging? And I do think some strategic planning, you know, is there's an obvious place for that and that community needs assistance. But hearing from the community and building on the connections that you have, I you know, I think that Christopher's doing a lot of really good work with the grant that he's applied for with the Vermont Arts Council. Thanks, Chad. In all your power, we wouldn't even be in the running. Out there with the kids, you know, that's that's a great thing, building on that or that we've done. You know, the website is sort of a product that I think that chin shepherding through. I think that that's an area where I like to see that the work would localize and the web form, you know, the website now is better than Bethcams. I'll say that right now. But they're the search ability and the ability to get to the stuff that's on it. I think it really is the one place where it needs to be. And it can be more dynamic information on there and stuff like that. The facilities also have some work to be done. You know, I have a half built set here that's behind that needs some work to be done on that and being able to capitalize and getting people in here using the facility. You know, I had ideas of like, you know, doing a live music show here from Friday nights where people would come from the job block studio. We have, you know, the local band finding out. Yeah, interacting with the residencies. I know you can really imagine a life. That's the partnership with DCSA was something that just kind of fell through the cracks of the pandemic where we all went away. So the libraries that we've been talking about for some time, it's just creating that connection with Waterbury and with Randolph. I do think that the the proudest thing is that the connection with the state house. I know that sort of is something that I really looked at. You're going to miss that. I am. Yeah. It's it's been is it's big fish, small pond syndrome or? Yeah, it's I'm talking to Mayor Beverly. Yes, I'm not the guy from the state of Vermont. So I make a word for Scott. But it was something that I remember looking at when I was looking at the job, applying for the job of work media and knowing that that I didn't think that they were capitalizing on that state house and their footprint as well as they could be. And so getting us in there and getting people's legislators understanding what we do has really come to fruition, particularly now with the work that, you know, action circles and seeing them actually come through with money for supporting it and recognizing the benefit. And sometimes that's, you know, when I do talk to them, every one of them sees Orca in the committee rooms when they were in the committee rooms. And so that presence really paid a lot of dividends, I think. So is there a possibility that there's a way without it, you know, taking a huge, huge amount of time to actually have a print of all the things that are archived here? I think it's another area that I think that the inventory of the content is really something that that I think is not really where I'd like to see it at as a massive job. I know it's massive, but it's it's massive. If you're told that you can find this and yeah, and that they find it for you, but I would love to know, I mean, you know, I get that's what's happening at the Burlington, you know, is that there are running things like the early days of Banjo Dan, you know, and they have a half hour concert and it's really nice to see it coming across my own Comcast. So there's there's I mean, I think we've gotten rid of all the tapes or maybe some DVDs and stuff like that. So we digitize most of all the tapes, but taking those files and kind of logging them is really and even attaching metadata to them so you can be able to make them searchable. It would be huge. I was thinking it's really where I'm wondering at, you know, there's you know, where if you're going to rapid its metadata, what's going to be consistent throughout the future of video data? You know, how do you have searchable content? If you're looking for everything that we have that has Bernie Sanders in it, you know, yeah, you know, it's, you know, there's the file name and Jim can take you through all of this. You know, she's a social social. She can talk about the wrappers that you have and the metadata that are associated with the actual contents of that. And what platform and it's all seems to be proprietary. And Chad made a little bit about the PBS TV core or anything like that. Now, I don't know much about this is one thing that did seem to be the sort of a template or people that would have thought that is from our public route, PBS, their TV cord metadata. But that was something we're talking about six or seven years ago. Yeah, about a sense. Now, you know, it's whether it's YouTube or how do you attach searchable data to video content is sort of a perplexing thing. Yeah, it is. But you have a great person in general who is a data person and technically might probably solve that problem. I work with digital preservation when I worked at the Vermont State Archives. And there's there's a there's some good resources both at the state and at some of the academic settings that might be worth talking to. We're going to talk about moving into that area. But it is labor intensive and expensive no matter what you do. And didn't they just do a V-tef and some people did a Vermont film archive? This is I think it's up. I don't know how searchable, but they definitely they actually may be trying to do more of that. I know that they also have a made here series that's on public television of all the movies that are made. They've been made here and that even moves into distribution. Are you being able to look and have people on their Roku or their Apple TV and over the top? But that's an area where everybody's trying to think about is just where do we move to distribution that is, you know, people being in the search with whatever their mechanism that they're looking at. So it sounds like a lot of work. Well, yeah, it's like a brand new world. Anyways, it's kind of even then the channel guide, you know, having descriptions that are associated with that, you know, that's something that many access centers are not used to doing. They just played on the channel and that's what it is. It comes up on the actual content itself today's thing. But when you're and when you have it listing in the electronic program and guide, there's data that's going to be populated. That's associated with a field of description or an episode or a title. Those are all things that have to be going in. And when you get into access producers, are we writing it for them or are they writing it for themselves? You know, and if they are writing it for themselves, do we have standards that are approved? You know, if it's something that's particularly controversy or something like that, you know, are we trying to say even to the discussion of like, is it, you know, this is something that we've talked about with staff is that an access producers program is different than one of that's what we, you know, I typically call an orchid media production with the idea that the production if you have control of the content with an access producer, you're not supposed to have control of the content. So there that would be an orchid media presentation in my mind. Productions like Fourth of July. Yeah. And the city council meetings and the state house, but it's not, you know, controversy or program that might come in. Right. You know, endorsing and new points under the circumstance. Right. So how do you differentiate between that and even do you make different branding elements that would differentiate between that? So all of your kind of sharing of this knowledge around this set of issues. New executive director, how confersant that they need to be in this world of metadata or the staff? I think I think you have good staff there that can do it. You know, and like I said, Jen is a data person who can and really sort of get you can get behind it and utilize her for that. So, you know, if she's, you know, has a director who says, can you come up with a recommendation on how do we do this? Then I think that's really where you're at, you know, I don't know that you have to get into the nuts and bolts of it, but because you do have a good committed and talented staff. She could do a channel guide. She knows how to do that. Yeah. Yeah, she's doing it now, in fact. I mean, it's part of it. I mean, it does come in. I mean, she she's somebody who can get too far into the weeds. Yeah. So she may need to be pulled back or something like that. But, you know, they're certainly she's very capable of anything like that. Part of what I was hearing from the people at VPR and PBS last week and in regards to the state house was that they were concerned not only with the quality of feeds that might be coming out if if the state was going to be wiring streams up themselves, but also the archiving and the preservation. This was a really big concern in the transparency of that searchability of it. So it would be might be worth it to figure out. OK, how, you know, get on the same page with them. Or as part of the same effort, even I don't know if that's going on, whatever method they're going to be categorizing. So we're not we're not an island here in Vermont. They actually other access centers are dealing with it as well. So keeping those connections open to the Vermont Access Network. Is there a legislative committee in charge of that? Yes, that's a good question. Or it could be the government or the staff. It might be the staff and not a committee. I'm sure it might be just the legislative committee. Is there I just think, you know, given the world that we're in right now, we need to have the legislature looking, you know, how to preserve the record of its own actions. Government operations is the committee that that's the government. Yeah. And I've looked at, you know, when I've done some work on the Vermont Access, I've looked at what other states are doing. And, you know, most of the other states actually do have feeds, video feeds from the state house. We don't have from the main chambers. We do work that really chose to focus on the committees and not actually doing like gavel gavel in the in the House and the Senate. For one thing, because their schedule is so up in the air, you know, I think at one point I was trying to listen to the PR feed from the state house and I go every time I come in, there was nothing there. And then one time I happened to catch it as they were gaveling in. And I'm like, oh, it's actually something coming from the state house. But you never know when, you know, it's a catch also really at the whim of the chairs of the committees. I mean, they can change on the spot. So it's it is a tough enough to crack as to far out, effectively cover it. And a lot of times they were depending on orca feed. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a certain committee that we should thank for their contribution to to work? I know I think any legislature, the legislator would be, if you know anybody, but in particular, Anne Cummings, the Senate Cummings, Senate Finance is somebody who Jane Kitchell, if anybody knows Jane Kitchell. And there are some other ones that are maybe not the central Vermont ones, but those are the two sort of central Vermont powerhouses with regard to finances. There's some brilliant ones. But so, you know, in the work, they really sort of divvied up. Who we talked to, based on your your representatives or your senator. So, yeah. Senator Cummings has been sort of the one that I've been the primary contact with, other than more than context them all. More of the end of the day is sort of the she's moving. She was the director of the Public Acts or the government acts, the channel of Brown 10, which is moving into an advocacy role, really enjoys it and spends a lot of time shepherding the van advocacy team. So she's just been. Corralling and getting people are champions, identifying champions in the legislature. So I think even one of them will be coming to the van meeting next one next Friday. I forget cornflakes. Thanks for your attention. Maybe it's going to be a yeah, yeah. And, you know, Anthony Linus, you know, all of us, even I had a good conversation with Barry Hooper. So, you know, when I got a chance to spend 20 minutes with her. So she she obviously she's. House finance. Yeah, yeah. And they all get it. You know, the ones that I've talked to, I talked with Avram Brown up, you know, at one point. So if you just anyone you've talked to, you know, if you can just spend there five minutes and say, thank you and let them know how much you appreciate the money, I think it would be certainly helpful. Great. And it's a small community. We do actually do come across them and do know them personally. So. And we'll know about the second round of funds in layman. Actually, probably within next week. Oh, that's I mean, they're they're looking to end the session by the 6th. Oh, OK. And, you know, predicting early. They're trying to get it done. And they may be there until midnight on Friday night, because they may have to go on Saturday. But, you know, it depends on if the governor tries to do you know, anything, you know, yeah. More of the technical partners report a question. Sacalates for Rob. Well, still on. So I would like to remind everybody that it's 7.30. They've been turned into a motion. So I'd like to both. I have I have one question related to future stuff. But before we get to that, I just want to. Move, you know, make a motion to formal. Just saying Rob for the amazing work that you have done on behalf of Orca and all of the positive and huge improvements and changes that work with them with staffing and process and to say how glad we are to work with you and how sad we are that you're not going to be working with us. There's certain amount of sadness, yes. And I heard that as a motion. That was a motion. And that's the second second. I heard it. Third and fourth is all those in favor of accolading and thanking and expressing. I'm going to miss you. Please indicate by saying, I, oh, that was. And I will say, I'm bummed that I don't get to spend time with Richard and Chad as he is the new board member. So we clearly scared you away. And we trust you'll be joining our board meetings as a guest on the evening. Can we count on you? Sure. Would the chairman say that's okay? Can we? Certainly. We'd public honorably get a couple of sentences in early. Newspaper board from the coast. Well, you know, you should see what the suburbs of Beverly are and put a big tower up there so it can reach here easily. And have a sign that says Beverly in town, right? You know, they were certainly checking out as the interview process went through when they were looking at the content on our media. And I think they, one of the board members particularly noted Larry's Ableton on air as an evidence of the great show. So, so I think that, you know, keeping that connection there, obviously, I think it's important to know I was talking to Tony about it with some stuff we're doing in cooks, could obviously play down there, you know, it's funny you mentioned that Larry's show because he interviewed someone I used to work with and I was like, oh, I'll give this five minutes. And it was actually like, it held my interest. Like he was like, well, just good interview, no interesting information. So it wasn't you that got you the job, it was work or content that got you the job. That's what you're telling me. Okay, well, thanks for all. And I do have a practical question. This is already covered. I apologize, streaming revenues. Where do we stand on that legislative regulatory? So that's the policy discussion that we're talking about after the bridge of the three years. So I think, you know, we had the legislative report that came out two years ago now, which the department was adamantly against. Against streaming revenues? Well, against the recommendations that were this Department of Public Service. So somebody has gotten in there and twisted there. No, absolutely. I told you, this is going to be huge. Yeah. And they basically thought it was, you know, some of the suggestions that were made by Peter Blum, I think it's the name of the consultant that was actually hired by the legislature for the report. We're legally on shaky, shaky ground. And obviously, it is a big thing, as you said, CJ. There are some powerful players in here that are trying to prevent that sort of thing from happening. Oh, yeah. There's a foothold anywhere they're screwed. I mean, there goes, you know, three to five percent margin. Yeah. And I think that, you know, they're keeping an eye. I mean, Vermont's really been focusing on the bridgegrap funding for the three years and making room to be able to have that policy discussion. On the national scene, it's always a discussion. Massachusetts will be very interested in what's happening with mass access because they do have something in front of the legislature for this session that they've been trying to push. Maine, I think, had some stuff happen that actually went through and it's being challenged by the cable companies. Oh, okay. There is some stuff. So there are some definitely places to keep an eye on. I think in Massachusetts, it's one of the areas where I, you know, I'm not somebody who's just going to stick to Beverly. I'm going to be very involved and get involved with mass access. And even the board chair down there was like, tell me, you guys are going to the state house for money? And I said, yeah, it's actually working. I don't know how it would work in Massachusetts. Yeah. I don't know if you guys are going to the state house for money or for an appropriation. I know that they are going for these two bills, which one is a straining revenue bill. And I forget the other one. But yeah, so it's a bigger state. And you've also got the high tech hub in Massachusetts and they will be your friend in this. Because what you really want, in my opinion, which will benefit us here as well, is to get the tech geeks in to say how it will work, why it will work, and then you just kill them on a technical argument because they're not going to be able to defend against it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you'll be at the assignment to try. And I, you know, but I think that may be the way to go. But the great thing about you going to Massachusetts with this in your pocket is if you can go and get the geeks in there. I've been hearing a lot about the tech world in the Boston area. So it's just, you know. Look, there's some republic dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get the MIT guys doing this stuff there. Yeah, and it does seem to be a culture that really does have a quite a little underboss over using that word. You know, even talking to some of the people that are down there are just saying, yeah, you really will enjoy the Boston area. So. Oh, for tech, yeah. And it all started there, and then the networking companies went rest, but they started there. And there's enough of that legacy left here. Just being able to share policy successes and challenges from state to state, you know, like a British guy. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. No, I think this is, from that perspective. Yeah. I mean, I've done some that already with the 18 Northeast Board, but it'll be interesting to the statewide. They have a pretty robust. All right. What organization? Seventh Robust. And then if I can make a joke for yourself, there's going to part of the other reason it's scary is because there's a policy thing you can get in there. And as much as I'm playing for the on the wrong side of it for my old team, the, you know, data privacy data, the ability to determine which data gets blocked and that consumers know about it. That's a natural lobby for a band type organization mass access to join. And that's the other reason that it's really, really frightening is that the ability to control data flows to people and the ability to to keep people from seeing what data flows they are not getting is a really amazing control point to have. And the biggest reason that I in a mild policy role would have wanted to resist it is that it weakens, would have weakened our control or ability to sell the fact that we have absolute control over what any of us sees. It's proprietary. And just to add on to that, I know that there's national stuff happening as well. It's just that I don't haven't been as involved in the national conversation, but I do hope to be able to go the national conference and to be in person at the end of June in Chicago. But I obviously have to figure out if my new organization would pay for me to go there. I don't see why they wouldn't try to. It is just not the same being on a zoom. Yeah. Yeah. And the past two years it has been virtual. So this is the first inversion that they have. And we did the first in person for the region in Providence at the end of March. But as I said, I tested positive that morning. It's not useless to go about. Which is funny because you know, I was the committee chair and I've been working on and getting the venue and setting up all these elaborate meals for the, you know, how many people we're going to have and who's going to be what. And then to sit up in my room and just know it was all happening four floors below me. And then I couldn't go down and do anything. So it was just. Yeah. So the last paragraph of your last executive director's report. That's right. COVID. You don't want it. And it was interesting because I went, Tuesday I was sort of feeling symptoms. Tested nothing. Wednesday as I'm like, all right, I have to bring equipment down there, go down the conference and start setting up. So I'm in the main room with everybody. We're all masked. We all, you know, and we all, you know, showing our vaccination cards. But, you know, some of them were like, Rob, you're not feeling well. I'm like, no, but I got to set this projector screen and this projector that I have for the main room. Rob, go. Rest. Yeah. Here's a better mask. And it's like I tested negative. And then I skipped the reception that night. The opening reception and then that morning tested positive. But it was, you know, by Friday, I was feeling better. Yeah. And actually had a concocted plan to minimize because I'm like, I need my equipment. So if you guys can break down the equipment, put it on the curb. I'm going to come from my room and I'll stay away and I just put it in my car and I'll go back at the Vermont. And then, you know, I'm feeling better. Yeah. And so I'm like, this is easy, you know, and it's just a bad cold. And then Sunday, definitely it felt the run down where it was like, I carried a box from downstairs in the basement and I carried it up. I'm like, whoa, I got to sit down here and sit a little bit. And then I kept testing positive. So I didn't like for that week, I was not familiar to see these guys. So I'm going to stay home and try to work from home. But it definitely was like, all right. Yeah. This is a little bit more serious than just the common cold and stuff. It's varied. So many people who were vaccinated got it. Yeah. It's a very capricious play. Yeah. I have to step outside. I apologize, everybody. That's all right. I got to tell them about 20 minutes. So that's the end of my report. I can entertain a motion to accept the executive director's report. So, and Mike has a second. Dave's seconded. Thank you, Rob, for that and all of the executive director's reports throughout the years. Is there any old, stale business sitting on the table? We need to regroup to vote on the folks. To vote on the motion. Oh, I didn't. I didn't. Geez, I did that twice. I did not get to see that. I have to. All those in favor. Second. Correct. Fourth. Is it okay to say that? All right. And it was supposed to say that's two and one night. Ouch. Eyes have it unanimously. Old business, any there? Yeah, brand new world. We were all leaving. Yeah. And just taking two up on that offer to put together a we imagining a kind of a written piece or a note, you know, just your thoughts. Yeah, I would definitely curious about the balance between the technical, the managerial, the visioning sort of. Yeah. That and like in the financial budget management stuff. Yeah, I would agree. I'm not on the hiring committee, but I'm I was thinking, it sounds like you're full. If you need something. No, there's room for one more. If you need somebody, I'd be happy to. But those are some very different skillsets that it's hard to find all in one person in Vermont. So that's a lot to ask for. So what are the priorities? Where do you where do you think the most important pieces lie? And what can you kind of say? I can try to do it as a written report if you guys want me to come in and just spend some time talking with you. I can also do that. You know, that's just, I tend to be better. Whatever you prefer. I tend to be better. Yeah, even it on that. I mean, it's a virtual exit interview or yeah, think about, think about what format would get you most robustly divulging of your knowledge? Because I fear it's the skills we don't notice you have, but we're going to most miss, right? Like, it's just going to be, oh, think of that. Why didn't they get taken care of? Yeah, exactly. I, you know, and my staff has been like, you know, what's, what's this rubble? What is that? This is like, and I'm like, oh, we're trying to catch everything, but I know something will come up that we didn't see. Right. We'll be like, oh, here, Texas, you know, two months from now and be like, Rob, where's this? What do you, what do we do? Somebody's calling us. You can be Alexa. Yeah. So we're officially an old business thanks to Mike Doyle pointing out. Is there any old business that we've been neglecting or maybe the last approval of minutes reminded us of something I think, I think making sure that John Block Memorial becomes a ceremony at the next open house at really next time there. We things like, did you officially put Rachel on the committee prior? I mean, it's just a by fiat. I could just name you the material. After this is over, if you're up for it, we did talk even number versus odd, you'd give us a fifth in case we're deadlocked. Now, we will be, but yep, that'd be helpful. Excellent. I get some paper. I'll just walk you through what's what and then we'll create an email thread where we kind of just brainstorm some questions that we want to make sure we ask each candidate. And do we ever summarize at the end of the legislative session? Not only what we think it's been accomplished, but what we recorded how we've done it. It's a kind of wrapped up at the end of the session. I don't think there's any really sorts of real summary but then that's not a content that we actually did. There's, you know, typically if it runs into the give like 12 or 15 pieces a week or you just sort of draw data, but to be able to filter that down and tell the story of the of the months that even areas, you know, really nice that what a great archive it is of the of the legislative session. Yeah, it's more like again, are taking notice ourselves of what it is that disorganizations do. Jim does drive that in looking at, so it would be interesting for her to say these are the things that we sort of focused on. Yeah. Legislative session. Yeah. And it's so if she followed a certain bill or sort of topic. And but also and be in dialogue with the legislative session and star certain decisions that were made that were controversial and the change things that we had on archive. You know, just the way that we help the community meet to be involved but also legislatures slate ours themselves to communicate to their constituencies. You know, it seems like an in-house documentary and to really pull that off. Well, it's a great idea. And it's more an idea than you could start to build. Yeah, it moves you from gavel to gavel into like the fear you can digest that narrative now. And all you need is a person that's willing to do. Yeah. Yeah. That's nice. Other old business. I don't know if it counts as old business. I need to brush up on my Robert's rules. The you mentioned that they had applied for they got a grant application in to the arts council. Do you know how much the amount of the end up? I don't recall what the numbers were. And then a Wednesday that they did very recently. This one's there was the 20th last week. And what was the this is the grant from the Monarch Council on digital capacity of local cultural organizations. And we went for a collaborative one, which is, you know, they were really looking at there's individual grants for that. And then they even sort of and Chad and connected us with Amy was the grant facilitator helping us sort of understand what the grant would be. So it is an attempt to be able to work collaboratively with cultural organizations and cross the central Vermont to be able to build their digital capacity to reach and serve their mission. So there's a multi year program of the larger collaborative grants. I think it was up to 250 250,000 a year. I don't know if it's a year to probably help with the course of the thing. I know it's a small three years. Like three year, I think, yeah, for the smaller winters. I think the cap was that 30. But I really did hand that off to Christopher and he enlisted thousands of gents of the two of them. And I think with with Zach's support really ran through the narrative and the numbers and stuff like that. And so my appreciation for the work that they did on that and getting that done was just really and letting us know it's just 10. And that's exactly the type of topic one would throw in old business. So yeah, entirely on top of any old business or move to new. I it's not old business. So it's it's a new idea. So we business it is. I would think that one of the things that we I think it is a niche in this community it's not filled yet is something like and I would maybe maybe label it the annual Orca John Black Award to people stretch themselves out and help the community be able to hear all the messages of all the voices and give it out every year at our annual meeting. Yeah. Yeah. We've talked about of a scholarship for a student but never framed like that. Well, because it's probably that scholarship that you have to have the fun too. Yeah. From the scholarship. Yeah. And they know that they did that with Camitelli with Camitelli. They've developed the scholarship. Right. Right. And that's an annual that's an annual comes out graduation season. It didn't seem it seemed redundant to create something new. The high school is pretty automatic about that. I mean, if you want to create scholarship run by the high school for the benefit of the students. That's pretty easy to do. Yeah. But I do like what they were saying that it's just sort of recognition for some of the values that John involved body in his own work might be something that you could do as an annual meeting so that you add another item of business for the annual meeting the recognition for somebody in the community. But my point now with the high school and the scholarship you've got an organization that's all ready to go. Yeah. And they'll tap on your shoulder every May and say where's the check and it's right. It runs itself. In this case, you're creating Yeah. a new situation. Yes. Yeah. And you know, if it's a scholarship of $1,000, I think that Orca could easily afford that for the year. Yeah. Yeah. Can't tell you. Money attached to it. But the thing would be the award. And actually having the community here in total what one individual has been able to do to expand the idea of free speech, communication of ideas, interchanges, disagreements settled through the negotiations, compromises and things of that ilk. It's really nice that we have nailed down when we are going to dedicate this and we expect you there if it's in September or October when we end up doing it. But it does invite the next question and maybe this that's a good that's a good frame how to get that kind of Well, maybe we could write up, you know, some of your ideas about that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get a little definition to it. Yeah. Other new business. I entertain an emotion with John at 803. I see Mike Doe and Sue seconding at 803. This one, I'll remember to call the question. All this which you actually don't have to do on the motion to adjourn. If my rubber two rules are motion to adjourn it's