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Oh good I'm actually enjoying it too It feels dated in parts because of the whole psychoanalysis thing and cassettes And cuz well, I was thinking about that I'm like, I wonder if that word ever makes a comeback in a different meaning and I'm like that would be interesting because we're so far removed that it sounds ridiculous But we also bring back terms right like We call things old-fashioned things sometimes. I'm like, well, maybe a cassette just means like a really high density storage Maybe well, I mean like I mean like The original Star Trek used to say tapes for everything all data that were on tape. Yeah, yeah true So I don't know everything. I mean, it's it's weird. You could I mean you can ever It's really hard to write something that would be considered Not so dated because there's always things that you're drawing upon Contemporary society unless you're really like good at projecting how things are at that period of time in the future coverboards Flying gosh I don't have my iPad. I'll be right back. He doesn't have his iPad. I would have been very interesting to try to start playing the theme music Me me me me How does Fitbit know if you've got enough sleep? It doesn't it really just tracks says it must be matching rem It's it says on this article. I'm reading that it's supposed to Track REM sleep now You can always ask Michael. Hey, any works there. Hmm. He gets free look yoga lessons. I think yeah What are you doing playing with my lower lip like a 12 year old? Do No, that's a classic that's a oldies golden oldies And you do something 300 times in a row and then suddenly one day you don't do it, right? Don't freak out. This is not the start of the show. Okay Oh my god, this is so sad. Oh, no vets and Tyler Removed 915 coins from a sea turtle stomach. Oh, I saw that Because people kept throwing coins into the enter a pool. Yeah All right, you guys ready her nickname was bank Well, let's roll you guys ready sure Three two one Quality content thrives through the support of those who benefit from its creation If you gain value from the Daily Tech News show consider joining others like me who provide support learn how to help a daily tech news show Com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Monday March 6th 2017. I'm Tom Merritt kind of joining me on Mondays Ms. Veronica Belmont is with us. How you doing Veronica? I'm fantastic. How are you? I Am glad to hear it. We are going to talk about the misadventures of Google Home related particularly To Google relying on its search engine to provide answers to direct questions in ways that are just plain wrong Don't always work out so well Sometimes it's right, but there are some good examples of it being wrong, but let's start off with the top stories Fitbit announced the Alta HR fitness tracker. This is an update to the Alta The Alta did not have a heart rate monitor, but the Alta HR has a heart Monitor hence the HR Also improved some sleep tracking some of that approved sleep tracking is coming to other models of the Fitbit as a software update as well The internals of the Alta HR are 25 percent smaller than the Fitbit charge to and that was the smallest of Fitbit's previous offerings that had the heart rate tracking The Alta HR also features seven-day battery life and will be available at the end of March for $150 and getting a lot of attention here because it's sleek The altas are nice looking it's it's nice and slim But it also does the heart rate tracking and seven-day battery life when it's continuously tracking your heart rate is pretty nice Allegedly also it tracks REM sleep Which I'm not sure if that's really possible, but they do say that could be yeah Yeah, yeah, how good that can actually really be The sleep tracking stuff is always kind of difficult because a lot of it's based on movement And not actually, you know your your how your Physiological situation changes when you're actually sleeping. I used to be a major I was a fit user Fitbit user for a very very long time I've since moved on to just using my Apple watch But I think this is a nice a nice new design for them Yeah, and the one what the reason they're they're saying they can do things like let REM sleep is They're not just based on movement. It will use other indicators. Okay, so Maybe they've got them the magic stuff here That could make that happen because yeah, perhaps otherwise it would just be tracking whether you fell asleep listening to REM albums Don't we all GameStop senior director of merchandising Eric Bright told gamer rant that the Nintendo switch was quote one of the strongest and most Successful gaming console launches for GameStop in the last several years Demand has been high and GameStop says it's getting more consoles and stocks soon I'll tell you how I am Estimating the success of the Nintendo switch one is that I'm actually continuing to play it Even though I don't need to because we already did our our summary first look on DTNS on Saturday with Patrick Beja But also because the complaints are the kind of complaints that aren't Terrible the complaints are stickers will make the the finish not be good It can the the screen can get a little scratched up if you're not careful putting it in and out The the ones about storage are pretty damning where you really there's no cloud storage option if you lose your switch You lose your data So there's some there's some legitimate complaints here But none of them are it just doesn't work except for the joy-con controllers That's the the one exception is if you're playing it in docked mode Especially that left controller for me anyway, and I've heard other people say this loses connectivity a lot Which can be bad if you're if you're trying to do like a really Time-sensitive move in a game So it's it's not the best and I hoping firmware can fix it But then I use it in tablet mode so often that I don't notice it as much as I thought I would So what's the is the killer game for you Zelda? I mean it is the only game there I know they're literally the only game. I mean there are six or seven other games And some of them by all accounts are fairly good, but I have not tried them I've only played out of the loop. Yeah, and Great, but and and the reviews are on it are great as well. That's good. Yeah I'm really out of the loop on this one I I don't know too much about what's going on other than people on my Twitter stream are flipping out Yeah, I know there are people who didn't stop playing all weekend my my Sister-in-law's husband works for Sina John Hollister and he posted on Twitter a weekend of baby and Zelda and I'm like that it's true like You don't have to be parked in front of the console to play this thing if the baby needs to be rocked You could play this while you're rocking the baby like the the tablet gives a lot more flexibility than I would have anticipated Which is one of the reasons I'm playing Ford announced Monday it is testing 3d printing of large-scale parts using tech from Stratasys They're an industrial 3d printing company Ford wants to see where it could make sense to print small volumes of parts Particularly large parts tools tooling and components It could also allow for niche models of cars more custom options even lighter parts They use the rear spoiler as an example of a part that can be a lot lighter if you 3d print it Then if you have to make a metal casting for it. Yeah, I think I think the initial concern is always like Oh, how well do these things hold up over time? But I'm sure they're they're getting to a place where the the materials are you know, definitely up to those standards Yeah, and how cool is it? I mean first of all, yes, you're right put this is not a maker bot Printing, you know your car. Yeah, this is these are industrial quality printers With with industrial quality materials being used and this is why they're testing it to see how useful and durable and Practical these are but imagine being able to go in and pick a bunch more options that don't cost you a whole lot more I mean, obviously, they're gonna charge you that's why they're doing it But it wouldn't be prohibitively expensive because they know they can print these out might delay you getting the car By a little bit while they print them out, but they can be done on demand It would be no different than oh the the the dark charcoal model You want is up in Vallejo so we'll have to drive it down and we'll get it here at Friday You just print the part and and send it out Yeah, I love the idea of basically custom building your own car almost like a Timbuktu bag on the website We just like pick the different elements and put them together and get something completely customized for you I know you can kind of do things like that when you buy a car these days, but this would take it to the next level Yeah, they're limited in what they can do for the body of the car right now because it is so time-intensive and expensive To make the parts, but if you can add spoilers and fenders that are different I mean again, it's gonna take a little longer because they still have to assemble it But but it gives you a lot more flexibility Moving on River City media a company listed on the register of known spam Operations did not password protect a remote backup of its data exposing nearly 1.4 billion names email addresses and physical addresses Chris Vickery a security researcher at Mac Keeper discovered the leak data a failed arcing backup Contained the data plus company chat logs and scripts used to counter spam prevention Vickery has shared some of the counter spam measures. He found with Google Microsoft and Yahoo There's a lot of Shad and Freud are going on today around this story Not the least of which came from Chris Vickery who called them a criminal enterprise but The the the other part of this story is not just that a big spammer has been taken down by this most likely But also that even when you aren't in control even if when you aren't participating in a company They can have data on you Because your data is out there and if those companies don't protect your data it can get out now again This isn't passwords. This isn't credit card information. I get that But essentially, you know a lot of public information is just being passed around on the internet And a lot of that is available and pretty easy to find. It's just when it's bundled in such a way It's very easy to kind of bulk use for nefarious purposes. Yeah and This the other the positive aspect of this fine beyond possibly putting River City Media out of business is also Giving companies a look at the kinds of countermeasures that big spam companies were using to get around the spam blocks In a video from MIT an industrial robot from rethink sorts spray-pink hands and spools of wire And if it starts to make a mistake it can read the thoughts of an observer and correct itself human with an EEG cap sits across from the robot and The robot is able to tell in the EEG signals when an error potential signal Happens and then correct its sorting signals involuntary by the observer You're just watching and as long as you don't look away when you see it make a mistake your brain's just gonna notice that you don't do it on purpose And so you it's it would be really hard to thwart if you wanted to for some reason And really hard to fake potential applications include non-verbal interactions hazard avoidance So maybe a supervisor is monitoring the factory and if you see something going wrong The the the robots could pick up on that and correct immediately Or in a self-driving car if you're watching and you you notice something that the self-driving car may not have anticipated It could alert the car to that that be crazy to have to try to interpret that data eventually not just the the change in Brave wave waves, but actually figuring out what the person means with the intent is That's that's getting into some interesting interesting areas for sure Yeah, there's a lot of noise in EEG So there's a lot of things that you might think oh, I wonder if they could do that that are less practical But because the error what did they call it again the error potential signal is so strong They can latch on to that and they say another thing they could do with this is machine learning They could teach robots by just having them do some training sessions where they start to see oh, that's when I make the mistake And it's instantaneous feedback Yeah, I'm oh, that's that's pretty cool stuff. I'm excited about that. I'm just excited about self-driving cars, too Yeah, I although I know and I know this is probably not the way it works But how often have you been in a car? Either as the driver or the passenger and the passenger starts to to get a little nervous like you know Freaking out like do you see that car turning in and you as the driver are saying well of no, of course I see it. I just haven't applied the brakes yet because I got plenty of time So how do you distinguish that that error because that that's gonna be an error potential signal, right? That's happening from your backs. They're typical backseat driver that I guess I guess it doesn't matter because self-driving car is saying Oh, no, I've seen that so I'm actually not making an error, but it seems tricky or somehow you would not want to have a EEG cap on my head like a passenger in a car Tom knows Classic I'm a classic backseat driver I don't say things, but I definitely am a passenger who goes Okay I do a lot of like like handles like grabbing Handle or like grabbing things to try to like do you mind pushing the brake pedals? Yes, yes, I like throw my arm across the passenger like if I'm driving. I'm like, yeah, that's definitely gonna save your life Anyway Yeah, I mean honestly the whole thing about autonomous cars is I just want to sit in them and read a book I don't want to have to be looking around, but I get you know, this isn't there's they're not saying this is required to be in one So All right, Facebook has started its program of alerting people to questionable news Links and questions show up as normal But underneath there will be a red alert icon and a note saying what fact-checking organizations dispute the story To avoid false alert stories reported by users or caught by a software algorithm are sent to multiple fact-checking Organizations a story must be disputed by two of the organizations for the alert label to be applied So here we go. This is this is their first step in really trying to combat this issue though I deeply suspect that people who already want to believe these stories to be true will be like Oh, those fact-checking organizations are BS Yeah, and that's fine. I mean, this is what Facebook's trying to do is saying we want to make sure you have all the information Trying to be very careful and they're taking some heat for this they're trying to be very careful not to Mislabel not to label something disputed that is true. And so that's why they're going through all these steps But as Justin Robert Young has hashtagged at portal to hell when you start to get into evaluating truth There's the easy things on the end of the bell curve that are gonna be, you know No sweat like the one they've used in the example here at recode is from an outlet that only does Parity like satire news, right? But they look very legitimate in the way they do it When you get to the middle of that bell curve is where the rubber meets the road That's where it's going to be an issue and and we've talked about that quite a bit on the show But you know, this this is this is Facebook putting it out there in the world and The countdown begins until the first major controversy over something that they label disputed But keep in mind it doesn't get removed. It just gets a label Which I think is a pretty good compromise actually Yeah Hey folks if if you don't have time to keep up on the Daily Tech news show We've got another show for you or maybe it's a good supplemental show for you It's called Daily Tech headlines all the headlines each day in around five minutes It's less than ten minutes, but usually around five minutes and that will keep you up to date go subscribe Daily Tech headlines comm All right speaking of Incorrect information Google has a couple of things that show up in search results There's the Google knowledge graph that one is very good when you type in a search Sometimes let's say usually what the biography is when you're gonna see it You type in Veronica Belmont over on the right. It will have oh, this is Veronica Belmont. This is her You know where she works, etc. etc. etc, right? usually for CEOs celebrities folks like that There's also something called snippets snippets Isn't so thoroughly knowledgeable as the knowledge graph snippets is saying hey our algorithm looks at it and says This link seems to have the answer to your question We're gonna extract a little bit of that and put it up here Sometimes that works great Sometimes it's kind of funny. So for instance, there's a meme going around about How long does a snail sleep and the snippet was three? It has since been corrected to three years While it just said three it sleeps three. That's how many it sleeps It's like you could sleep Others of them are less funny and some of those were brought to light over the weekend Outline did an article where they they talked about a professor giving in a lecture about the KKK and someone brought up The fact that Warren G. Harding a former US president was a member of the KKK and the professor was like I'm pretty sure he wasn't Very hard against lynching. I would find it very surprising that Harding Was in fact a KKK member But when you searched for presidents in the clan on Google it not only showed Warren G. Harding But presidents McKinley Wilson and Harry S. Truman There is no evidence that any of them were members of the KKK Over the weekend Danny Sullivan of search engine land Was talking to Google Home and this is where it really starts Yeah, because what Google Home does is it will take the knowledge graph and Snippets and just read the answer So you don't even have the context of the rest of the page at least on a search engine page, right? If you say What presidents are members of the clan and you get that weird snippet? You may see some correcting articles below that give you like well, wait a minute That says one thing but this down here says another with Google Home all you get is it reading the snippet? So Danny Sullivan recorded asking his Google Home are Republicans fascists and having Google Home say yes Republicans are equivalent to Nazis Which is not true no matter what you think of either party neither one of them are even more Indisputable Rory Southern Jones of BBC asked his Google Home is Obama planning a coup and Google Home said well according to secrets of The Fed Obama's in bed with the Communist Chinese and may in fact be planning a communist coup d'etat at the end of his term Now whatever you think of the former president his term is over and he did not in fact Well, I guess we don't know if he planned one, but he certainly didn't execute a coup So they are looking at these snippets and passing them along now before it was bad because you had to kind of say well Wait a minute is this one right? Now it's downright deception because you have the voice of authority the Google Home telling you in you know It's computer voice. This is what's true. I mean I've used this for all sorts of things I've used these for for recipes I've used these to ask like what kinds of vegetables are okay for my dog to eat and I always feel like I need to click through even when I have a snippet that seems pretty reasonable To find out what the source is and to read the context that the answer is being given Because I have seen from time to time these kinds of responses that are like That doesn't seem right to me per se and and clearly there's been some some issues with this Now Google has fixed all of these examples that we have mentioned including these examples these examples But that's the problem is Google isn't actively curating these Google responds when Someone mentions that one is wrong There is also the ability to report it wrong And I think a lot of people aren't aware of that each snippet has a link to feedback where you can choose This is helpful something's missing something's wrong Or this isn't useful and you can even add comments if a lot of people were doing that You know Wikipedia style it it might actually Work pretty well and reduce the error rate to a more normal level But I don't think a lot of people even noticed that that's there. I certainly didn't Yeah, leaving feedback like that sometimes is is really not very intuitive It's something that I think about a lot because you know since I work in product I'm always trying to figure out ways to to get users to tell us how to make the product better Or or more useful to them But at the same time like these are also the answers are changing all the time as well Like you can have one answer you can kind of optimize for for the snippet on a website that you're running And then a couple weeks later That snippet switches over to something that decided was more useful So a lot of websites are trying to to attract the eyes of google Obviously because it helps with their their page views But at the same time you it's kind of like when google changes its algorithm Sometimes you just get kicked in the butt because of it and this is happening because of snippets as well Yeah, I I think back to the the early days of the internet and snippets was a great idea right Our page rank algorithm is so good that the good stuff will float to the top And then we'll just snip out the relevant information and it's very good at the context of saying well if this top result Is so good then we know the relevant part to snip out the slipping part is is very accurate What's not very accurate is the top result always being the most reliable result You know, this is fascinating to me because back in 2007 when I worked for mahalo.com Like their whole plan was to essentially use google's algorithms and answer questions that people were typing into google And and fill out entire pages worth of information for like how to play guitar If you search that mahalo is going to be at the top of the list And this was pre snippets But can you imagine like they may have done a lot better if snippets were a thing now Because I mean maybe not a ton better, but it definitely would have made a lot more sense Um, they ended up moving more towards the youtube like video guide type solution Um, and and that makes sense for that time as well But this this also would have probably driven a lot of uh traffic to the sites Yeah, I I've run into this a lot too in uh, I do a Tech history a couple of tech history efforts the year in tech history is the most recent book And I post tech history snippets at tom merit dot com every day and to keep them up to date I'm always checking links and I'm I'm I'm also uh occasionally getting people say hey, hold on This is not right, but particularly if I find a bad link I go and try to find another link And a lot of times I'll search for something and google will tell me the wrong information in a snippet And it looks just like the knowledge graph if you're not really paying attention And so sometimes I'll think oh, maybe I might have my fact wrong and then I look and I'm like no, there's there are You know, it's passing along an incorrect interpretation of this historical event that has since been corrected, etc etc, etc Uh, and I know I have wrong dates in my history That that are from very good sources So if you're not even make making sure you've got the most reliable sources, you're gonna have a lot of misinformation It's not surprising that this happens. I wish google would disconnect snippets from home Until they either improve snippets or or just leave it out It's too bad too because that's actually like the perfect use case Like it makes total sense that google home would be using these but unfortunately the source is not reliable Yeah Well, thank you folks for putting this out on our subreddit and uh and and mentioning it in other places You can participate in our subreddit get in there and do so if you haven't already There's lots of good stuff in there at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com All right, uh real quick before we get to our messages of the day a big jim James Thatcher in the audience has a regular show called tech in trade And he's got a lot of interesting things in the latest episode. Tell us about it jim Thanks, tom this time on tech in trade. We're going to talk about two things. I love the most We're going to talk about ocean freight and cargo and bringing it into a country and the documents that are required and the filings You need to do and who's liable and then we're going to take that and marry it up with one of the things Scott jamsen seems to be more and more interested in and that's blockchain So we're going to take our blockchain. We're going to take our supply chain. We're going to mix them together We're going to make a nice little pie. It's going to taste delicious or it might taste humbling Who knows you're going to have to download to find out find us at tech in trade on itunes And on google play music back to you tom delicious or humbling as long as there's pie. I'm in jim Send your pics to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. All right, let's get to our messages First of all, jordan wrote in to point out that windows has always used delta updating for os updates since xp We mentioned that the new windows update which only updates the part of the code that's changed is going to save a lot of percentage Update oh, it's going to reduce the download file size as well Jordan says whether it was a windows 10 cumulative update a security update bug fixes or otherwise windows update uses features of Component-based servicing to download only the bytes you need The new feature discussed on the show part of the unified update platform brings that delta updating capability to major Feature upgrades like the creator's update that's coming out Those are full new builds of the os structured very differently from a smaller cumulative update So we may have confused you with that if if we made it sound like they had never done this before Security patches had in fact been cumulative updates only replacing the code that had changed Unfortunately since uup is a new free feature the creator's update updates to the creator's update won't yet be able to make use of it For most people uup won't take effect until you're upgrading from the creator's update to the next major update But they're putting the groundwork in place for it and the upshot is eronica your updates are going to be smaller Sweet Yaru in malaysia Wrote in and response to our our conversation with lirtad about online commerce in thailand to say in his country They use facebook messenger for purchasing similar to the way lirtad described on saturday show yaru writes You might have to worry about whether the other party will honor their obligation But this is usually safeguarded by a reputation system You see shops will have facebook pages where they can be ranked And if a shop gets a bad reputation for scamming people Well suffice to say it will show up in their records not unlike how it works for third party amazon and ebay Which i have also used extensively in fact he says This works so well that some have even used it for in shop transactions the other day He says i bought a two in one windows machine at a physical store and my debit card was rejected for whatever reason So what did we do? We just did the bank in system and i showed him the receipt and i was on my way So he paid by chat while in the store That's That's something that's not going to happen for a long time here No, exactly because we have a whole different mental map of how this is supposed to work But but there it's like oh, well, we know this system works So we'll do that though I guess we do technically do that in apple stores now And I think also in the in the new amazon physical stores You can just walk in and take the things you need and either you're charged on your way out or you pay over your phone Yeah, it's a little it's a it's a little less than having to use the the chat interface And we got an an email that said i'd been listening to the mesh networking solutions You've been discussing on the daily tech news show I have issues with slow internet on the lower floor of my house because the wi-fi router is located upstairs My existing wi-fi router is also quite old and in need of replacement after comparing prices and reviews I ended up purchasing a pair of luma devices The setup was easy and now I have 100 megabits per second down on the bottom floor versus 20 megabits per second Which I used to get so he uh, he took some of that information from the show and implemented it to good effect Well done. That's awesome Well, thank you everyone uh for being along with us today It was a pleasure as always if you've got thoughts make sure to email us feedback at daily tech news show dot com What do you got going on veronica? This week on sword and laser. We have an interview with a fantastic britney curin who plays fen on the magicians on the sci-fi network She was absolutely delightful like just one of the sweetest people I think we've ever had on the show before Yeah, seriously fun to talk to yeah, really well read really really smart. Um, and I just enjoyed it immensely So definitely keep an eye out on sword and laser dot com and that'll be up on wednesday night Sword and laser dot com Hey folks, we are independent. 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Uh, yes, so top is when fake searches When fake searches come along you must snip it Snip it good But that's two different titles Yeah, I know I like snippet snippet good. Uh, okay google semi fake news Fitbit has a change of heart rate monitors search highs and lows a switch hitter 3d print me a car part It's a time to switch to the switch No fake news is good news is another one. That's good I don't even want to fake news in the title though. I hate that so much Snip it snippet good All right, that could be the top. That's the top right now. All right, we'll let it cook It's far in a way of getting all the votes, but if you want, you know, okay google Ha darn it. Why did I do that? What'd you do? I just said the trigger word. Oh And I should have asked how many how long does the snail sleep? Three It's like, what's the baby using? Yes, 23 3d print me a car parts Maybe that could be one of those things they can do at the dealership. I'd say that more of a dealership item Make your special Buddy kids. Yeah, the whole thing about spoilers got me thinking Uh, not spoilers of television shows, but you know the things on the back of the car The wing I do I I see them. I assume people still are in the spoilers. Yeah So then yeah, you could you could choose a bunch of different models and they would be lighter So they wouldn't add to the weight of the car. It's kind of counterproductive with the spoilers. So, yeah Yeah, I mean you still need metal to fix it to Somewhere in the car at some point. Well, sure, but it's less, right? Yeah, ideally. Yeah, I mean I mean really it's it's in some ways. It's just uh, it's More of a continuation of what happened with cnc Uh Basically, uh, it was a computer numerically controlled Machining equipment a lot of a bunch of uh mid to small business Uh to start up creating uh aftermarket parts that used to be really incredibly expensive to make because Yeah, so it's kind of the next step in that. That's a really I thought you meant c and c. I was confused Everybody Is that is that c and c you actually who is that? Is it c and c music factory everybody dance now? Yeah Who's that laughing Me just in your head roger I heard like a distant echo. Are you with someone tom? No I think you're finally losing it roger Finally Do All right, uh snippet snippet good snippet good Excellent Then we are golden on the title golden child Are you still reading about the turtle veronica? No, I was watching a PSA PSA uh-huh Public service announcement, that's what it stands for Oh, it's you you're just breathing into your mic or something Elegant so elegant it's the dulcet tom's dead last launched a thousand ships The other way Ian heard the laughing too so you weren't crazy roger, so I wasn't crazy All right, I have to go all right if you must Thank you once again Thank you poor turtle Poor turtle poor turtle poor bank. All right. See you later. Bye. Bye. Bye Well, it died a rich a rich A rich animal Yeah, but you can't take it with you. How ironic. I mean too many so many lessons Uh, you can't take it with you. You had enough money to buy its freedom But ultimately it was killed by it. Yeah, and uh, yeah life just My life gives you spare change. What are you supposed to do open a bank? Don't swallow it. Yeah That's the lesson when life gives you spare change. Don't swallow it Well, now they have to open a bank or the bank or bank That's true Yeah, we opened a bank we opened a bank. Oh Not the way you thought though Cord killer is going to be fun. We got some nifty cord killing cord cutting news PlayStation view is only on the sony version on the PlayStation 4 version so far, but they're doing picture in picture So that's three three channels up at once from within the PlayStation view app I don't know how useful that will be really but it's kind of cool I always wondered why services like that even like something like an apple tv or roku wouldn't do picture in picture So that I could have multiple things up because if I have mlb.tv Sometimes I might want to watch a show on netflix but have the game in a small window So I could keep keep tabs on it. I'd do it if I'm playing a video game occasionally Like I'll play a game and I'll have that whatever Just to know if my my stories are on It's mostly for sports though. You're not going to watch three movies most people Never say never most people are not going to watch three movies at once I know you are that one person out there going. Well, I I do that and I have a very good reason But you're different And we love you for it. We really do Okie dokie I'm uploading the show Hmm What will future generations take over society? I think Where'd that come from? No, I'm just curious with I was just going through all the the links from the uh, if the google Oh story It's like is will people look back at this as kind of our wild west? Before they had many things wrong They thought many they had many misconceptions in those they were they were very naive people. Yeah In a certain way we are And then we'll come the and there'll be a period of time that will be known as a great reckoning I was thinking about this very story this morning And I'm working on a column for the the patreon only post this thursday about how We kind of have forgotten that the internet those of us who've been on the internet for a long time have forgotten that the internet has changed around us Uh, and there's there's a different sort of ethos From the 90s that I still I mean I know It sounds kind of dumb when you say it like yes, tom We know the internet changed there's a bunch of people on that weren't on But there's still a part of me that thinks like hasn't adapted It still thinks in that 90s era way of like yeah, but we're all on the web So we all know that the web works this way And the fact is most people don't Well part of it is that uh You know we got into it right at its Infancy in in relation to like a public public adoption. Yeah, and then you know as people Just slowly fall into it. It's It is its own this its own beast Entirely well now it's more like humanity Uh and less like a subculture There are many subcultures on the internet, but the internet itself is no longer a subculture You mean like motorists back when motorists were a select few hearty people Yeah, that's an interesting comparison willing to drive their Model T on reddit roads dodging barnyard animals and people That's a really good comparison because you still have motorist subcultures, right? There's there's people who like sports cars and people who like classic cars and people who like working on cars But there's not a motorists subculture. That is all of them, right? I mean the closest thing would be top gear. I guess but it's You know, but like everyone for the most part, you know they can Fortune will drive Yeah, if they can And if you're a car person, that's different than liking the fact that cars exist The motorist culture was about like look at what we can do that you can't do with your horse Like there's just a different approach to it Oh, well More thoughts coming on thursday. Actually it was worse to drive back then. Oh, sorry responding to g peg In the chat room. We said it was probably much easier to drive back than little traffic Well, yeah, well, they didn't have traffic laws or any of the stuff that we understood the roads really sucked back In the early 1900s, there was an expedition bounded by the u.s. Army To cross the u.s. From the east coast to the west coast by car And it was like what? There's no roads It's candy, you know, you got the train and that's about it Yeah It took them a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, it took them three weeks There's these old I can't remember what they're called now, but there's these old books I think from the 20s and 30s that were guides for people to drive across country and You're like, oh, okay. Like like like a roadmap like no It's like a detailed guide of like here's how you get from this point to this point Here's the things you'll need to pack with you to make it Here are the service stations that might be able to help you if you break down like It was it was something you had to plan for you couldn't just hit the road like you can now It's more like camping Like even road trips or have have no longer no longer hold the same mystique. Yeah, I think Yeah Well, part of that is the homogenization. Yeah, it's the interstate you bypass everything. Yeah That's why one of my Favorite road trips I ever took Uh, I went side roads a lot of the ways and you get to see more interesting things But even then a lot of the things were dying away and that was back in the 90s Well, you know ever since crazy people were chasing other people with chainsaws Stuff people just avoided those those lonely roads. Uh, yes stick to the highways you're used to get out All right, uh, thanks everybody for watching listening supporting and we will be back tomorrow. We'll talk to you then