 All right, Wiz, turn it down, baby. Hey, everybody get down on your knees for me. Hey, it's your boy, Jack Dulla. We're back with new Jack Dulla City. And I got my next guest over here, man. He didn't tell us how to love, man. He said it numerically, you know, from my heart to you. 1-4-3, you know, he just was very friendly. Wanted us to be just friends. And he's here right now. So with that being said, man, hey, yo, he about to teach us how to love right here, right now. Y'all give it up for Music Coach. OK, that was something. You see what I just did, right? Yeah, that's all a lot. Yeah, that was too much. It's all good. And not enough, but you sold it a few times over. Yo, Music, man, hey, first off, I want to say thank you for including me, you know, on your verses. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was magical by my standards. Yeah, no, it was lit, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yo, first off, when we did the Fat Joe recap, I heard you say something, man. OK. You were saying that that was one of the best times inside of your career. And it blew my mind. And I didn't understand why, because you have done so many different things. I think it was because it was such on a global platform. And it was something, it was as a part of something that's so heavily contributed to the culture, you know. And I got to share the stage with somebody that I love and respect. And it was there to celebrate both of our timelines and our contribution, you know, saying to the game. I just think that it was so many moving parts and so many layers to it that made it like unfathomably legendary, you know. Now, it's not to discredit what I think you may be referring to as things that I may have done and things that may have impacted other people in a way. But I was just saying, personally, for me, like. That's what it's all about. That was a huge moment. Yeah. And can you detail in what ways was it huge for you? Because it's a lot of people, they don't never be able to put their feet inside the same shoes that you got, you know. And because you wear them so gracefully. Thank you. And I ain't going to even, I don't even want to use this word. But sometimes, oh, hold on, they're not going to care free. OK. Care free. Well, day in the life. Well, yeah, it was just another day in the life. I won't say care free. That's the sort of like the veneer that I presented people, because I don't want veneer. I don't want. Oh, I don't know. So veneer ain't just about a team. You just made veneer mean something else to me just now. The point I'm trying to make is, I'm sorry. That was, I know what it means. I presented myself in a way where I didn't want to spoil the experience if, you know, I may not be having a good day that day, because there was a lot going on that day. But I made it about the moment, you know? So I would say, you know, you're using the word grace is very important, because, you know, I provide myself with that, you know, and I try to exude that, because I choose to operate out of gratitude, you know? So when I operate out of being grateful, despite whatever you may be dealing with, you're allowing the moment, you know, to represent you in a better light than not. So that's what I'm just saying, like the carefree part is like, nah, it was a whole lot going on that day. You can't, you definitely can't. You know what I'm saying? And I was pretty tight and triggered all day. But I made it about, you know, how it could be perceived later, you know? And as far as, you know, where it fits in the timeline of my timeline, you know? And the fact that, and like I said earlier, all of those factors, you know, it being a moment to celebrate my contribution alongside with the good brother Anthony Hamilton and alongside everybody that was behind me, including you, you know, being up on stage with me and just giving that energy. Like it was definitely a moment to celebrate. Now, when it comes to even verses and everything, like, you know, the inception is before COVID and giving people something to entertain themselves as we go through whatever that was. Whatever that was. Whatever that was. Yeah, yeah. And you know, I don't even want to pin, try to pinpoint it and everything. Cause, you know, later on, hey, things are subject to change, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Did you feel like Anthony Hamilton was a worthy opponent for you inside that matter? That's the thing. I never looked at him as an opponent. That was the homie. Like, I get it. And that's part of the thing that I'm talking about that was like, it was weird because it was a lot of people hitting me up, like, yo man, I need you to destroy him. And I'm like, this ain't a title fight. Like I'm not about the boxes, dude. Like, I don't know how it feels weird. It's like, you know, when you're growing up in the hood and you know, you got some homies or whatever, but because, you know, some crap went down and you on the other side, now you got to go up against your boy. And it's like, I don't want to do this. You know, so I didn't, I was really kind of messed up, you know, like a week or so leading up to it. Like maybe, am I not understanding the assignment? Like, am I supposed to be like not liking this dude? And it's like, I don't have a reason why I don't like him. You know, and, but I didn't want to feel like I'm not participating in the thing. Like it's supposed to be participated in ads, you know. But then I was like, bro, I'm gonna do whatever I want. Like I'm not going to come out here beefing with this dude. I'm not going, you know, I get marketed. I get publicity and promotion. I get that. But I'm not going to say a bunch of crazy things about this dude and then it potentially turn into some, it's like, that's just not the type of person that I am. So I just started, you know, thinking about it from, instead of looking at it as a competition, just look at it as a celebration, you know. And that just kind of freed me up of a lot of things. And I still was still awkward when it started because I was like, okay, but people are looking for the back and forth. So I'm not going to rob them of that, you know, because people like the healthy competition. So I played along, but then it's like, I love this dude too much, man. So that's why I started coming out, singing with him and all of that. Because it was, I was so, I was so grateful that it was even happening, you know, that I was like, I'm not going to rob, not just the people, I'm not going to rob myself of the moment. Like I get to perform with Anthony Hamilton, you know, and he's nothing to just sleep on. Like that dude is actually really dope. And he's been added for a while and he's a legend his own, right? Hey, Anthony has a lot of respect for you. That's what I saw that night. But at the same time, what I also saw, I only got one eye. He was coming for your though. Yeah. Even inside of the promo of it. But I take, but I take that as, he was like, he was really playing into it. But I take it as a sign of respect. It's like, if you respect your opponent, you understand, like that's, that's an honor. You don't want nobody you going up against us. Like, ah, that's like work. It's like, nah, I found like, you might, you might want to pay attention, you know? And the, I'm glad you said that because, because I'm going to tell you how I felt when I was in a room with you before, when we were in Atlanta before we even get to LA. And I felt like, man, this ain't even, he's not even wavering on this. And this is not even a big deal to him. He doesn't feel like this is competition at all. But this guy is a really coming for him right now. He knows he's dope. He has supreme confidence inside of this. And he knows he got monster records. But that's not what was happening though. And that's what I mean. Like, whenever I have conversations with people and they express to me their expressions, you know, or their interpretations rather, my bad, of what they thought was going on, this thread is bothering me. I got, sorry, I got 80 day and it's kind of bothering me a little bit. I'm back. I don't think of it as, I don't think of it that way. It wasn't like I was so confident that I got monster records or whatever. I'm thinking about, I want this to go well. You know, I want people to understand that I'm here to celebrate, not just my timeline, I'm here to celebrate his timeline. Like people don't know me and Anthony. We go way back. Like before y'all even knew a music soul child or Anthony Hamilton. Like, yeah, I'm Anthony Hamilton and like, I think 99 had a, excuse me, had a open mic club in Philly. And we were, yeah. And they did, you know, when it let out, we was all standing in the corner, you know, and I was like, yo, I'd like, you know, I like what you did up there. Like, though, like, you know, what's your name? Were you from? You saying, I'm Anthony Hamilton, Carolina, blah, blah, blah. Like, okay, though, we was talking. So when both of us pop and we ran into each other, we was like, hey, he was like, hey, yo. And so we was just, it was, we was just celebrating each other, you know, for the fact that we both came up. So, and it's been love ever since. So when, and what a lot of people don't know is like the conversation about us being paired up happened at least almost like two, maybe probably two, three years before that. Yeah, but I just wasn't in the mindset to even do it because I was again, dealing with a whole lot of other stuff. Pair it up for what? For the verses. Yeah, like, you know, we talked about it. This was a thing. It could have been. It could have ended up being somebody else. He wanted you. Maybe. Yeah, and you didn't want, you wasn't wanting anything. I was just in a different- You had been chosen. Exactly, yeah. So I was, I was in a different mindset, you know what I'm saying? Back then that's why I didn't want to like go along with it. And it kept coming back around. And I'm like, nah, I'm just not, I'm just not on that right now. But when they came back around, at the right time, at least for me, I was like, you know what? I think I need to like do this because it keeps coming back around. And one thing I know about opportunities and moments and blessings, specifically blessings, they don't keep showing up knocking at your door, bro. So I feel like I got to pass before because like if you knew, it's understandable that I was not in a mindset to do anything like that. It wouldn't have been, I don't think it would have been entertaining. I think it would have been, it just would have killed the vibe. I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have participated that much because I would have been distracted. I wouldn't have, not that I wouldn't have taken it seriously. I just, I wouldn't have been able to be present and focus and give my all to it. I would have been, I just wouldn't have been, I just wouldn't have been focused and I didn't want to do that. So that's why I let it go the first time. It came back around again. And I was like, I don't think, I don't think I'm gonna do it because it like, get somebody else, it was mostly like, give somebody else that opportunity. But then it almost like came back the third time it was like, all right. Like, this the last train out of town. So you sure you don't wanna get on? And I was like, you know what? I'm not really fully like past whatever, you know, everything was, but I'm, I'm past it enough to know like I might wanna get on, I might wanna do this, you know? So I was going through whatever I needed to go through in order to make myself be available to it and focus on it. That's why it's not like I didn't see him as competition or I completely and fully respect that dude, but it wasn't even about that. I wanted to make sure that I wasn't, you know, the weakest link. I wasn't the one messing up the moment cause I'm distracted with a bunch of crap and I'm not honoring, you know, the potential epicness of it, you know? Cause I'm going through crap, you know? So it was never ever about that for me. And I would tell people like, I said, it's not a competition, not because I don't see him as competition. He's like, I'm not competing with this dude. I'm literally gonna be celebrating with this dude. Yes, it's gonna be in a form of competition, but I'm happy that we're even on the stage together going back and forth, going song for song that we can even do that, that we have songs that we can go back and forth with that I'm a fan of and I respect, you know? And I got the love and the respect from him as well. So I don't wanna come across like making it like a love fest, you know, like, oh, that's the homie, that's my friend. Like, but yeah, he is the homie. Sorry if that killed everybody's, you know, internal beef with us, you know? And wanted us to be, you know, at odds, but that was never the case. One thing that I learned about Music Soul Child in this whole event is that you're not, you're not in competition with anyone. You're not competitive at all. You want everybody to win. Yeah, exactly. Dude, we got, we don't got a lot of time in this thing, bro. I'm not finna waste it trying to take somebody down and getting somebody away and trying to like, you know, mess it up for somebody else. Like, that's not what I'ma do. Some people do that, I'm gonna apologize to them, but that's not what I'ma do. I'ma do my best to get mine and help other people get theirs. It's funny that you say that. Cause I always think about, I always think about Muhammad Ali when he gets beat by someone like Trevor Burbitt. And then there's a new guy on the scene named Mike Tyson. And Mike Tyson comes in and Muhammad Ali comes up to the side, ring side and say, kill him. And he gives Trevor Burbitt one of the most embarrassing ass whoopings of his life and become the youngest heavyweight champion in the world. And I'm thinking to myself, damn, Trevor Burbitt, was it really worth it to beat Muhammad Ali up when he was on his last leg? They're just for a new guy to come in and make his career off of you. And I always wonder what Trevor Burbitt is. That sounds a lot like karma, you know? Yeah. But you give, you get. Yeah, you do your whole life. You been looking up and respecting this guy and you get a chance to beat him because he's not the guy that you grew up on. Right, right, right. That ain't fair. No, that's the other. That ain't cool. You're worse than a bully. Wow, that's crazy. You're worse than a bully at that particular point. And even that night, like, I was just pretty much going over my assignment as being in your, being in your corner and everything. And that was just like, I love Anthony Hamilton too. Let me go over here and say this. I know that. When Anthony Hamilton comes out, five different places Anthony Hamilton is performing in Atlanta, going to his shows. I bought the album, The Dead came out. Him and Life Genis came out the same day. Shout out to Life Genis, yeah. Yes, yes. And I, this particular day, I felt awkward. I felt awkward, shit know him. Yeah, cause you had to side with home team. I get it. I get it. But that's why I was trying to let you off the hook. Like, bro, that's not what this is. Yeah. I'm not Mike Tyson. This is not what this is. You know what I'm saying? Now, if it was that, then yeah, I would have needed and welcomed all of that energy. But that's not what that was. Not for me. That's not what that was. You know what I'm saying? So, but I appreciate you having my back, you know what I'm saying? No matter what, like that's what you want. I love you. I love you too, bro. And I appreciate the energy because it definitely helped me. It helped for me, like it helped to facilitate how to operate because I was kind of in the dark. Like, I don't know what to do. I'm supposed to punch this dude in the mouth now? Like, I don't know. Like, what's happening, you know? Hey, I like, I got the punches for you and whatnot. So, fuck this guy that I love with all my heart. Yeah, exactly. And whatnot, I got all of the albums. Yeah. And I was like, exactly. And I know. I got all of them. I was like, hey, I listened to him. I listened to him all the way there. And I was, I bet you did. And I was trying to get like everybody, can everybody, can we just like calm down? You was like in the whole, I was like, fuck! Let's just calm it down. Yeah, that's not what this is. I think, fuck that. We gonna put on a good performance. We gonna entertain. We gonna give a good show. Yeah. But like behind the scenes, like, let's not, let's not, let's not sip the Kool-Aid. You know what I'm saying? Cause that's, that's how stuff get weird like real quick. Yeah, yeah. 100%. It was more important for me that me and him left the same way we came in. You know what I'm saying? And you guys did. Actually better. I had a better, yeah. Way better. Hey, I couldn't even go over there and say nothing to her. Yeah, have it. Cause man, like you killed it. Hey, you just gotta let that breathe. I had to let, I had to let it breathe. I wasn't over there like. You gotta let that breathe. I was talking to his publicist and everything. I was like, hey, can't you tell Anthony I wasn't just playing. Nah, bro. Tell him that I love him. You remember me from back in the day when you used to bring other artists to my show? Don't even matter at this point. Please tell, I love him. Nah, bro. That wasn't coming across at all. Yeah. And then I ain't even know when I went to the, y'all did the Fat Joe show the next day. He said, yeah, I slept in five of us. He said, slept me five. What you, that's it? You slept me five? We can't say, hey, man, boy, that was, they'll give me the same shit you gave me. Nah, what's nah? Because I didn't, I didn't come at him the same way that you did. Yes, yes. I would, it's almost like I was your alter ego that. Yeah. You were super. That alter ego that wasn't even an ego need that wasn't even created by you. It wasn't even necessary. Yeah, it was. It was very necessary. But I understood where you were coming from. Yes. Yeah, okay, cool. But that's why I try to check you. I try to like, you know, try to vibe check you like, hey, hey, hey. Come back. Too much. Come back. Too much. Yeah. I said, you sure? Cause I got some more. I got, I wrote one more. I got like three more for him if you need that. Nah, I don't. And whatnot. You can toss it. It's all good. You sure? Cause they already hate me already. So I should probably go ahead and dig or nothing. No, I don't. Make this hole a little bit deeper. You know, how deep or how deep are graves to six feet? I can go 12 now. Stop while you're behind. I can go 12. Stop while you're behind. Okay. One of us that I heard on the breakfast club the next morning, I mean, Angela Yee kicked my ass. Oh, whoa. Man. Angela? Yeah, I took her on a date before. Okay. Okay. I believe you. Yo, DJ Envy, he turned on me. Charlotte Man was still with me. Oh, wow. He was like, that's what Jack Drillard do. What are y'all talking about? Exactly. He was with me. He got it. Nice. He got it. Because it was like, and he wore a Michael Jackson jacket. Like, yo, that's what he do. What are you talking about? Yeah, he was pretty fresh. I felt that way. He was pretty fresh. That was on my ass. It was like, it was like thrilling, delirious. Kind of like, yeah, it was good. I liked it. Yeah. That's what I was going for. Yeah, that's exactly what I was going for, man. Yeah, yeah. Next question. Yeah. Driller. Driller. Yeah. Driller. Yeah. Driller. No, no. Yeah, you're right. No. Driller was better. No. All right, cool. You're a baritone. I am. But you can sing falsetto like it's nobody's business. I appreciate the observation. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, like, yeah. The training. What does it come from to be able to master both notes? Master? Master. Again, master. There's still a working practice. No, man. Still working on those. People talk about you a certain type of way. And I appreciate that. And I appreciate that. However, I don't, you know, I never felt, you know, like you, you are people top 10 R&B guys. OK, cool. I appreciate that. Thank you. No, don't thank me. No, I'm just saying I'm thinking whoever you're referring to. Yes. But I'm constantly working towards, you know, I always want to do better. You know, I tend to obsess over things, you know, probably more than I should. But, you know, I have that perfectionist spirit and I want everything to be right. And, you know, if it's not, then it's a bad day. And I got to deal with that for the next couple of days. You know, it's just products of a traumatic upbringing. But we're not meant to do that. But, yeah, I appreciate, you know, that people appreciate how hard I work at it. But a lot of it, you know, I did it all at Dolo. Like I just trial and error and just figuring it out. Because I was doing my best to sort of match how I hear it in my head, you know, with how it comes out. So a lot of the times, because I'm chasing, I'm chasing Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye. Like in there, they do a lot of, you know, singing in the high registers. So I had to figure out a way to cover that, you know, starting with such a low voice. Like, how can I, I'll never be able to do that. And then when after, you know, puberty I learned about falsetto, I was like, hey, what is this? So technically I can do it. So I just had to get better at that register, you know? And it just kept getting stronger and stronger and stronger. And to the point where I was able to sing a full song through falsetto. And then eventually, you know, you work at something long enough. You just, you know, you're gonna naturally progress and get better at it. So that's where it really came from. So by technicality, you know, I can sing in the soprano, sort of like voice range. But I would have to definitely do it in falsetto because that's pretty high. 100%, they talk about you a lot on a Tanks podcast, R&B money. You heard about that? Well, I didn't hear about them talking. I heard about the fact that he got it. Parker, that's dope. Yeah, it's the, they are the authorities. J Valentine and a Tanks on R&B. That's where they're, they're snakeheads. Okay, cool. And they always bring you up on that. And they always bring up the same, the same singers that you bring up too, when they talk about, as you call the vocal Trinity. Yeah, for me, yeah. It was just Donny Hathaway, Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye. Yeah, yeah. And can you explain why they are the vocal Trinity? Well, for me, because those, those are the three that resonated with me the most. Now, this is not to not acknowledge all the surrounding other artists that I was influenced by, that I was impacted by in a very great way, you know? But it always seemed to, for me, to consistently revolve around those three. More so for, I would say like, for Stevie Wonder, it would be because I was, I was really moved and intrigued by his vocal ability. You know, the ideas that he would do vocally, the vocal acrobatics and the runs and just how he would, how he would make very complicated vocal concepts seem so simple, you know? And I just always thought it was like magic that he would do that and would have other people singing along with them. And I'd be like, y'all do realize like, this is not that simple. This is very complicated and y'all are singing it. Like, it's so simple. And I was like, that was the, that was the beauty and the gift in his ability, you know, that he could make music that the whole world was singing along with. Ever since he was a kid, it was that way, you know? And then for that to translate all with, you know, adult life and he's still making music that nobody else is making, you know? I just always thought that that was so top tier. Donnie Hathaway is how I learned about like discipline, like vocal discipline. You don't always have to do a whole bunch of stuff. You don't have to do everything that's in your head, you know, note placement and note selection, you know? Finding the right notes and the timing of it to get the right emotion out and to make the right point, like be articulate, you know? And be specific, you know, and intentional in that way. So that was like the other extreme, as opposed to how I perceived Stevie was. I thought he wasn't intentional. He was very intentional, but he was also explosive too. So he was like, dude, whatever, you know, came to mind at the time it was raw, you know? And I liked how, you know, how in real time it was, you know, it's like he couldn't get enough out, you know? And I identified and resonated with that more because I had a whole lot that I wanted to say, you know, a whole lot I wanted to do and a whole lot that I hear, you know, in my mind that I wanted to, you know, but I only got one body, one voice and there's only been so much I could do. So Donny Hathaway kind of represented for me like the other extreme of like, you know, hey, tone it down, you know what I'm saying? Go this way, do this to get this result, you know, to affect this, you know, sort of like emotion or whatever, that I didn't understand until I got older because he was talking about a lot of deep relationship stuff and I don't know about that, you know, when, you know, you don't understand, it sounds like that's just grown folk music. I can't identify with that, you know? But when I got older and I started going through my own stuff and I'm like, oh, that's what he's talking about, got you, you know? Because these are all foreign concepts and emotions that I never really experienced until I, you know, until I did. And then it's like, now this is the perfect song. This is the perfect artist that makes the type of music. That's the soundtrack to my experiences, to my pain, to my frustration, you know, in dealing, you know, in these spaces. And Marvin Gaye was, Marvin Gaye was, he was just, the finesse of Marvin Gaye is what got me the most. He wasn't doing a whole bunch of vocal acrobatics, you know what I'm saying? And he wasn't always trying to be deep unless he is and he gets pretty deep. It was just about being cool. It was about, you know, it was more about a vibe, you know, that that's what I got growing up. That's what I got. It's like, nobody is gonna be cooler than Marvin Gaye. I don't care who you are or who you think. Nobody was cooler than Marvin Gaye. And even when he was going through his, you know, personal issues and he was going through a lot of challenges in life, he still gave us that swag, he still gave us that finesse, he still gave us that cool, you know? So I just did my best to kind of put them all three together and give you music's old job. Let me ask you this. Who do you resonate more with? Like, it's gotta be one more than another. Like, if you were to break them down in percentages. It would be Stevie. Stevie would probably, if I had to make like a list, like, you know, top three, it would be Stevie, you know? And only that it would be Donnie Third because of how much it takes in order to operate out of what I got from Donnie. And sometimes I can get exhausting, you know, especially when you present that to audience of people who can't even process all of that, you know? So it's like, save yourself, bro. Like, do it, do it in a way, you know, for people who are looking for that, you know? And then it's like, okay, cool, you look for a lot. Cause I can do this, you know? But it doesn't make sense to do it to people that don't really get it. And they're like, okay, that's nice. What's that other thing over there though? And it's like, ah, it's what I just did though, you know? So to not run into that or try to have to process that, you know, that it takes a lot. It's like, you want to cook for somebody, but you know, if you spend, if you try to, if you make a meal that's spent two days to make, to prep, you know? Cause you gotta let stuff sit overnight or whatever the next day, whatever. And they just nibble at it. It's like, what just happened, you know? So it's like a matter of understanding who your audience is. And I had to run into the fact that unfortunately, most people ain't got the attention span for, you know, what I would create out of how I was impacted and inspired by Donnie Hathaway. You know? So people will respond better to, you know, how I would have been impacted by, say, Marvin Gaye, you know? Because it's cooler. And people would really be, you know, entertained by how I was inspired by Stevie Wonder because it's entertaining, it's explosive. It's like a lot of cool stuff, a lot of intricate stuff happening, you know? And it's sing along with the bowl, you know? It's immediately identifiable. It's like, yeah, yeah, me too, you know? You gotta go through stuff, you know, to understand what Donnie, you know, is talking about. And a lot of people either haven't gotten there yet or they didn't really care to really go through it. They just got out of there, you know? So it's like, yeah, and are they wrong for that? No, no, no. I'm not passing judgment on anybody. I'm just making an observation that orders my decisions on how I choose to move creatively. I understand. And you know, what you're saying right now is like really, really, it's so many, so much answers inside of what you just said about the Donnie Hathaway situation and the way his music even resonated for you. And- Yeah, because it was very like- It was heavy. It was very heavy. It was super heavy. It was very heavy. So you could see what he was dealing with. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you almost need a therapist with- You definitely need a therapist. After you listening to that, even though- You said after listening to that. Yeah, I thought you was gonna say to create stuff like that or two. Yeah, but not even after listening because it connects you with your stuff. Yeah. Because it's almost like, it's the soundtrack to it. Like if your stuff was a movie, it would be playing Donnie Hathaway in the background. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you, we have a choice in life to deal with our stuff or push it to the back. And let it hunt us. Yeah, exactly. And whatnot. And like- That part. When you address it. Yeah. And rise to the occasion or when you act like it's not there. Nah, I don't like- And let it be that imaginary friend. Nah, bro. On your shoulders. Nah, yo, no. And I think the studio was his imaginary friend. Yeah. And he was getting it out there and it was a false sense of love for him. And outside of that, like if I could, it's a lot of Donnie Hathaway inside of Kanye West. Oh wow. Okay. It's a lot of Donnie Hathaway. Interesting. Okay. Inside of Kanye. The shit that he ain't, he ain't not dealing with when it comes when you go with the fame and spirituality at the same time. I see what you're saying. Like you walk in the line and all the things that you think you want. You know, when it comes to quote unquote things you're not used to. When I say used to, I'm talking about that you grew up with. I got you. Yeah, yeah. I kind of don't want to get like specific. Okay. You're just specific in it. But I think I understand what you're talking about. I'm talking about taste. Certain taste. I don't think I understand what you're talking about. Because you get a quiet taste. I think I understand what you're talking about. When you start to get certain levels of success. Right. But you can't say what you want to say. You can't do what you want to do. Right, right. And whatnot. And so now you start to think, just like Kanye was saying, and I think this is what Dunny Hathaway was going through. Like what's the point of being famous if I can't do what I want to do? Mm, gotcha. And can you imagine what it's like in the 70s that way? Oh my God, yeah. Yeah, no internet. No internet, no outlets. Yeah. And it was like nigga, shut the fuck up. Basically, in that way too. Yeah, and you don't have that, you don't even, the people that you've hired to be your yes man, start being your, yeah, I don't know what that is. Yes. I guess. Yeah. Like your yes man being your I guess man. I guess man. Right, yeah. I guess man. Yeah. Cause the check coming in. And you know he ain't making it. He ain't have a billion dollars. No, no, no. It was rough out there. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, yes. It's been rough for people who wanted to, you know, impart. Artist. You know, they're, you know, a piece of themselves and their art, you know, to offer that up to people with the intention of it serving them in the best way possible. It's always been, you know, such a, it's, it's, it's like, it's like, it's just always been extremely challenging. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Because you can't help to want to do it because you know the value of it, but you're trying to present something so valuable to a mass of people who, who don't even have the means to process the value of it. You know, so either you have people that are willing to hear you out and give it a chance and, you know, offend, you know, hopefully discover how valuable it is. Or they just, they just, they just dismissive of it and just, you know, maybe unintentionally insensitive, you know, and don't realize that they're, they're, you know, sort of discrediting something that they may actually really want and need, but because they don't understand it at the time, they don't want to give it a chance, which is fine. Is everybody's, you know, decision to do that, but to go out of your way, you know, to kind of shit on it because it don't meet your requirements of what you think is dope. Only to like, only to have you come back like five, 10 years later and be like, oh no, man, this is really, yeah, but it was that then, when you said it wasn't, and I had to live with the fallout from that. Now I gotta be before my time. How do you know, like, you don't know that, you know? You just know you thought it was dope and then you put it out and you think everybody else would think that it's dope. So when you put it out and people be like, maybe not, bro, you just like, wait a minute, I know what I know and I know that that's dope. And maybe I got this wrong, I don't know. And then it starts to chip away at your sense of confidence and you start getting gunshot, we're putting stuff out. And then people be like, I wonder what happened to so-and-so. And you know what, me too, I wonder what happened. Ain't no telling. There's no way we can know why they're not still productive right now. Yeah. Wow, interesting. Yeah, it's really, really deep. And please, let me just mention, I'm not here taking shots of nobody. I'm not trying to judge nobody for their decision-making and what they're interested in and not. I'm just saying, like, these are the challenges of creative people who want to do more, you know, to a mass of people who want you to stay where they know you as. You know, it just gets really weird. Yeah, you can't really have an opinion because your opinion doesn't fit the conversation. Or even in the conversation, you know, you won't let me explain myself so we can get to a level of understanding. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I say, you know, because a lot of, you've been a lot of different situations where, you know, people were wondering why you didn't, you weren't more taking, muse so child is not political. He won't, he won't talk about religion or politics. Nah, because that's subjective, you know, and it's open for interpretation. And you're never right or wrong. So it's like, to me, respectfully, that sounds like a waste of time because a person is going to choose what they're going to choose either way. So I would rather use that time, you know, investing it in something that is also subjective, but it's something that I can impart what I want to put into it, which is positivity, you know. I want it to have a positive effect. Religion, conversations around religion and politics is so easily divisive. I don't like being a part of that. I don't like showing up to that, you know. I like showing up to, okay, what can we all agree on? What can we all, you know, all get down on? What can we all have fun with? What can we all be positively impacted by, you know? I don't mind having conversations, you know, because it could be divisive too about relationships, but you're going to deal with those either way, you know. And when I talk about them, I talk about things that just are things that happen. These aren't necessarily things that I'm creating or making up, you know. It's not like I'm just making a song and I'm putting stuff together. No, these are things that just happen. I'm giving my perspectives, which is the reason why it's my opinion because it's according to my perspective, but I don't think that should be mistaken for is something that I just believe happened. No, these are things that are happening. I'm just giving you my take on it, you know what I'm saying? Religion and politics, you know, I think that's heavily based on your, the information that you have. You know, how much research have you done? You know, how were you raised? What things were you taught to believe? You know, like, and those things can change and sway according to whatever information that you're presented with, how much you got finessed, you know, in either direction. But I believe that most people, and this is, I lose belief because I don't really know, most people believe that they're saying the same thing, you know, and that's where it gets confusing. So I can't even, I won't even like allow myself to believe that I have any authority on that in any way. Yes, I have a platform, yes, I have a voice, but I'm not an actively political individual. I'm not an actively religious person, so I don't feel like I have a say, so I don't talk about it. But I am actively, you know, in these relationship streets, you know, and I, because I deal with people on a daily basis and it's not, and I think people mistake it for, I'm only specifically talking about romantic and intimate religion. No, I'm just talking about engagement with anyone other than myself, you know. The whatever level you want to put it on, that's still a relationship because you are attempting to relate with this other person, which can go either way. But I got time for that because it's going to happen either way and people need insight, you know, in game on how to maneuver and navigate through it better. I know I needed it, I still need it, you know. So it's just like I just came up on some game and I just want to share it. Hey, that's what I just learned. Maybe it might work for you. I can dig it. I'm going to come back to that. I want to explore you, this political thing. You had an opportunity, you had an opportunity and you did the pre-anaguration for Obama. Oh, yeah. Well, okay. I did a show. I like where you say that. It's so, so. Because it's nuanced. Why are you doing that? How does that get to be nuanced inside you? You know what's nuanced in my life? What's nuanced in your life, Jack? Go ahead, bro. What's nuanced in my life? I was in the move, bitch. Get out the way video. And I think I was the bitch in the video. Whoa. Just as simple as that. Obama wanted you there. You know, at the time I'm pretty sure you was just like, hey, this is a black guy. I'm pretty sure he's not going to make it to become president. No, not at all. I was excited. You was excited? Yeah. I was excited at the notion that it's going to be a black man in the White House. So you thought at that particular time that he had a snowball chance in hell of becoming president. Yeah, the fact that it was even part of the conversation, I was like, whether he gets in there or not, he already won because it was a part of the conversation. It was never a part of the conversation before. Now, you know what I'm talking about running in 2024, right? Word. Okay. Hey, why not? Why not? Hey, what's the lesson evil, right? We got to lose. Why not? I say the same thing when people be talking about her's your walk. I was like, hey, man, well, we got to lose. God damn. I just heard about that. And I don't really know that much about that, but that's just really interesting. It's interesting. But once again, like I said before, well, we got to lose. He, like, you know, a lot of people are disappointed in Joe Biden. Yeah. I'm not a political guy either and whatnot, but, you know, whoever was running against him at the time, you see what I'm doing. Whoever was running against him at the time. I love that. You know, I was going for them. Wow. Cause I didn't know this nigga. Right. It's like the devil you know, right? Yeah. That's where I was with the shit. Oh, yes I was. Yeah. Now I do. Yeah. Yeah. So whoever was. You know, full internal conversation. Yeah. Nobody was a part of. Got you. Yeah, I showed you. It's okay. Yeah. So I was with them, the guy that was running against him because my life was going great. Got you. In that pocket. And you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, hey man, why are we about to fuck this shit up with this nigga right here? And that, because I don't know what he about to do. He just kept on saying, hey man, if you let me, we're going to all get some pussy. We're going to throw, you know what I'm saying? Pussy parties. We, y'all, everybody going to get everything. They were going to get a car for everybody. And blah, blah, blah, like, nigga, please. It was just, it just felt too good to be true. Right. And you know, when it comes to, you know, Yeezy, in this particular conversation, I feel like, yo, this is another black guy. And I do know that one thing about us, even if we don't like this guy and it's the popular vote, if he offers some Yeezys and shit for everybody for $20 a piece. Well, for me, I'm going to be completely honest. I have an inherent creative bias to Kanye. You know what I'm saying? I have an inherent creative bias to Kanye. I don't know what his politics are. I don't know, I know nothing from that. I'm, all I see is the Yee that I was inspired by. You know what I'm saying? That I'm still inspired by to this day. You know what I'm saying? The more, you know, I listen to his music and I, you know, unpack all of his offerings. You know what I'm saying? As a writer, as a producer, as a musician, as a creative, you know, I just have an inherent bias. So I'm not going to act like I wouldn't want to see what that looks like. You know what I'm saying? I want to see what it look like. I'm curious. I'm the same way. I just want to see what does that look like? Kanye being in office. You know, doing fashion, you know, and talking that crazy shit. And then, you know, interacting with people that are, you know, want to go to war with us and stuff. And him like, hey man, y'all chill out with that shit. Y'all go crazy. I don't even get that far. I don't even get that far. I don't even think it's going to get there for them. Right. I don't even think it's going to get there for them. Yeah, I just think about, you know, artists to artists creative to creative. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because just honestly speaking, we creative people just have a different take on life. You know, we see things differently that most people don't see it that way. That's why we are, you know, the curators, you know, of the shit that we give y'all because we have an interesting and unique perspective on things. You know, we're conduits, we're messengers. You know, we are presenters of things that, you know, quote unquote, the average person wouldn't consider because they just live a different life. You know? So I would, I'm really interested to see, you know, how he would tackle a lot of these big issues. Fuck it, 2024. Let's go. Yeah. Even when Hershey Walker, fuck it. Let's just see what it looked like. Yeah, I don't know about that though. No, no, no. I just don't know about it. That's not that like, yeah, I don't know about that like, no, I just don't know about it. Hey, man, oh, you see little commercials about him. He said, they say he lied about being an FBI. I never watched him. I'm only, I only, I lied about being an FBI. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Oh, what is they say? He choked, choked when he's, choked when there's a homegirls at and what, I choked when my homegirls at. Okay. You know, That's only my one, I'm saying it's too loud, but I, no, I stopped when I stopped. I stopped. Still. I stopped. I was like, are you cool? You gonna stop? You should stop. You should stop talking about it. All right, cool. I only know about it because- I'm just playing a fool, y'all. Yeah. Happy Halloween. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Happy Halloween. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, so yeah, Herschel Walker for 2023. Right, I was saying, I only know about it because it's, it's part of the conversation. I only know about it. I don't know anything of it. So like, you're saying stuff that I don't know. I just know that he's in the news now and people are talking about him. Yeah. 100%. Now, with that being said, let's go ahead and pivot real quick. Okay. And let's go to back to music with Puffy. He's saying that R&B is dead. Did you hear that? Do you feel like Puffy is somebody that should be able to even say that right there? Because he said it's just in a dark place right now. Everything is so melancholy and it's not fun anymore. We ain't making love no more. We're not, you know what I'm saying? Begging women to be back with us and just pretty much pleading our situation with the young ladies or keeping it light. Like music soul child. You know, when you said, I'm not trying to pressure you. You know what I'm saying? Just can't stop thinking about you. You ain't even really gotta be my, you ain't even really gotta be my girlfriend. Not really. You heard what you said when you said that. Yeah, yeah. I just wanna know your name and maybe sometime. We gonna hook up, hang out and just chill. Just chill. And decide what we're gonna do from there. There's no pressure in that at all. No, no, no. It's whatever. Yeah, and if you decide, you don't wanna rock with me? Okay, cool. I'll just go through this on my own. You don't have to commit. Nah, I mean, until we come to that point where we wanna make the decision to do that. Yeah. But on the outset, like nah, bro, like it's no pressure. You don't know me, I don't know you. That's the whole point. We're trying to get to know each other. But to introduce yourself to a person with a list. You know, okay, so this is me. This is what I like. It's my preferences. It's my, I like, bro, bro, bro. I don't even know if I'm be here for that long. Like, can we just, can we go eat some food first? You know, but go ahead. When a woman comes up to you and she wanna introduce you to her kids and whatnot, and you gotta like my kid first and blah, blah, blah. What's the process for that for you? Like. Time, time, man, time. And everybody has a different, you know, sort of like threshold with that, you know, so to speak. Like, some people move relatively quickly. You know, some people, they need more time. And I think it all depends on what a person has experienced. You know, that sort of affects the way that they make decisions moving forward. You know, there was a time that I was quicker to make decisions on certain things that I sit back and I think about now. You know, because I didn't have the experience to reference that I should sit and think about it. So now that I have the experience, experiences that I can reference now like, okay, maybe next time don't move so fast, right? Okay, yeah. So, but you were asking a different question before. Is RMB dead? Oh, right. Here's the thing about this RMB conversation. It's really interesting how. First off, let's start here. Let's define what RMB is and then. Well, see, I was kind of gonna, it's funny that you mentioned that. I know how you do. Because I was kind of about to like go there a little bit. Yeah. So, and again, it's just my take on it. You know, I'm not the resident, you know, expert. You know, I'm just, I'm an observer from a very unique position of, I don't know, having been lived that life for 20-some-odd years. You know, and proceeding that, just being very interested that I almost wilded into reality because I was chasing it so hard. So, I just made a really interesting observation along the way at some point where how, and it was triggered by the conversation around it, that RMB, RMB is dead, real RMB. RMB this and RMB that. It's like, okay, okay, what do you mean? When you say an RMB, what are you talking about? The reason why I'm asking that question because I remember that there was a time where RMB, the term, the phrase, the category, the genre, was cultivated and coined. It was very intentional as for a specific reason and had a specific sound that came with that. The point is not to get into the details of that. The point is to say that that happened at a certain moment in time. And then time went on and the sound sort of evolved to the point where it didn't really sound like what the intentions were that made the RMB genre in the first place. So my thing is, why didn't nobody change the name? They did, like trap RMB? No, no, no, I mean, wait before. Okay. So let's take it, right? Once we got to the 70s, late 70s, there was such a distance and a departure from the OG formula blueprint of RMB because so many new things were being factored in. There's a lot of socially charged perspectives. There's a lot of difference in opinions on relationships because traditional wasn't really working like that as much as it used to back in the 60s and 50s. People were moving different. They were getting different ideas. Women were definitely moving different. They were starting to. So it changed the home dynamic. So the songs, the content, the song context started to shift. And that's where I feel like you get a lot of the more emo and the more, as you just said that bro said, the more like depressing and melancholy because people will come in home to not so happy homes. At least the facade of it wasn't living up to the dream because a lot of things were happening in the world and it affected people's decision-making and how they choose to want to live their lives. And then you got to think about the kids that were raised under that and they were looking at their parents like, nah, I'm gonna go this way, right? But it was still close enough. It evolved, new things started being introduced, but it was still close enough. When the 80s came and the whole digital era and bands weren't really that prevalent and people were just doing it all themselves on this one little machine, it inherently changed the sound why no one changed the name. Something clearly different is happening, but it's being called the same thing. Yes, I understand that it's an extension of it, but it sounds very different. Can we all agree that it sounds different? Yes, 100%. Are you sure? Yes, it does, definitely. It sounds very different because all the elements that were, that were necessary in order to make it what it was when it started are not the same elements that are being used now to make it. So by default it's just different. So then now you have all of these other people that started to come in and they wanted to try their hand at cultivating a sound. Right? So let's fast forward to the late 80s, early 90s. It changed again because people weren't just doing the same digital-esque sound. People wanted to move away from that and they wanted to start incorporating more real sounds or whatever or more. I'm trying to find a word. It's like they didn't want it to just be stock sounds on a production machine. Can I at least make it sound like somebody put some effort into it? Because by then everybody and their mom was recycling the same sounds. And it's like I don't wanna sound like the same person. I don't wanna sound like I'm old school anymore. Like I wanna sound like I'm now. Right? So fast forward to Bro's era. He contributed to a wave. What do you call it? He called it the Uptown? Yeah, Uptown funk. Yeah, Uptown swing, Uptown, what up now? New Jack swing. No, that's Teddy, you know. That's Teddy down. He called it, what did he... But the point I'm trying to make is all of these people came out with their own sound. That is very different than when the name R&B or when the phrase R&B was made or it came up with, you know. It's honoring it. It's in tradition of it in its own way. But it sounds very different. My thing is, let's honor what it was being called. If you wanna call it New Jack swing, that's New Jack swing. If that's Uptown, that's Uptown. If that's, you know, you got, you know, whatever was coming out of, you know, Jim and Lewis, you know, they was doing their thing. You know, they was contributing to a whole thing. There's a bunch of people, you know. So when I asked the question, what R&B are you talking about? Which R&B? It's not all the same unless I got it messed up and I need to just accept that it's all the same. That I'm actually asking. Do you accept that it's all the same? How can I, I can't, it's not the same. Take a song from the nineties and put it up against a song from the fifties or the sixties. They don't sound like the same. If a person from the time that R&B was cultivated got in the time machine and got, came to the nineties or came to now and you say, this is what R&B is now, it's like, huh? It's gonna be, I'm sure, it's gonna be some variation of, nah, I don't know what that is. It's good, I like it. I can get with it, but that ain't what we're doing over here. I'm not talking about how you feel in your opinion. I'm talking about what's actually happening. Because anybody can say, well, if I want that Motown sound, there's certain elements that you have to use in order to make the so-called Motown sound. Right? I believe so. Because there is a Motown sound. Yeah. You can identify, you can pick it on the lineup. That's a Motown sound. That's not what's happening now. But it's being called the same thing. Yeah, the gold-thriller, jack-thriller, money snickers. That's all I'm at. I'm just posing a question. I'm not, you know, making a definitive decision or saying that this is. I'm just saying, what are you talking about? And I feel like that's what contributes to the confusion. Because now people are giving credit to things in ways that that's not what that is. So you're saying R&B ain't dead, is R&B is confused? You could say that. I think R&B is going through an identity crisis. And has been for a very long time. R&B is going through a menopause. Sure. Now, Bro, I have a right to say something because he helped build the house of what we call R&B. So he's an authority on this? He is an authority. He got points on the board. He got points. You can check the timeline. Try the true, goaded. Got you. You know what I'm saying? So I feel he has a right to say, in my opinion, he has a right to say. Say so. Say so. Okay. Because he helped push it. You know, he helped push the culture. Everybody knows this. So I can understand that he would have a perspective like that. But I think that people should hear him out before they start. Oh, you all, you don't know what you're talking about. Like, no, the man is coming from a very valid perspective. You know what I'm saying? Because he's looking at, in my opinion, I don't know, I haven't talked to him about this, but I'm just saying. I would assume that he's looking at, when I was making R&B, we were making this kind of music. That's not happening no more. That's what I'm to believe that's what he's saying. Okay. All I'm saying is a person from Motown can say the same thing about his time. Ken probably wouldn't, but Ken. Because it's not happening the same way that it did then. So again, I asked the question, when you're talking about R&B, what R&B are you talking about? Gotcha, gotcha. And let me ask you this. Do you think that you might be a little bougie when it comes to this? The conversation because you got 30 monsters under your belt. I don't, I wouldn't say bougie. You got, you kind of got a better ear than most when it comes to this. I don't, I think I just don't like the word bougie in this context. I think you don't either, I'm sorry. Do you think that you're a little more selective with your- Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that, yeah. Yes, you're- I'm a little more selective because I'm speaking in honor of, you know what I'm saying? I'm speaking in honor of the timeline. So many iterations has transpired and I feel like it's all being dismissed and just ran down the same lane. Like it's the same thing and everybody is not being appreciated for their contributions. It's like, oh, that's just that R&B stuff. Like, no, did you see that? Like this dude changed everything. You know, him or his crew, whoever he was affiliated with, they changed from this person, from when that person did what they did on, everything was different. But it was called the same thing, which is fine if that's what we're gonna do. If that's what we're doing, cool. I just want to have an understanding of which part of it are we talking about? Because everybody, I believe, has their own interpretation of what good R&B is. Gotcha. I just want to know which R&B are you talking about? All right. It's all valid and it's all relative and it's all, you know, I respect it all. I just, for the sake of the conversation, like which part are we talking about? Which part are we honoring? Which part are we referring to? Because that will help your argument as to say that it's, you know, good enough or not. Like which part of the culture are you trying to live up to? Or are you trying to honor? Are you trying to emulate? Or are you trying to push forward? Because it went through so many things. You know, you got the new addition sound. You got the print sound. You got the, like I said, the puffy sound. You got the teddy rally sound. You got all of these different things and it's way more. All these different things happened. The Joda C, you got the Jagged Edge. That's pretty much puffy. And then Jame de Pré. Yeah. All of these different things that happened. Can we just honor these moments? Like they all branched off, they all branched off into different things. Yeah, they have the same roots, but they all went off into different things. So depending on who's making what R&B you have, I think it's important to understand, okay, which part of this story, R&B story, are they honoring? Are they trying to, you got Timberland, he came out with his thing. You know, and that changed everything. Like it's so many different iterations. You know, and I think that is the reason why, you know, and I don't like to use the word confused, you know, because it has a negative thing on it, but I don't think that we're all having the same. Confused, this means I just need some answers. Yeah, which is why I'm asking the question. Yes. Which R&B are you talking about? All right, so hey, let me pivot real quick. Okay. Let's talk Prince. You got a chance to have Prince play a guitar for just friends. Okay. What did that mean to you right there, man? Where did you- I didn't get him to do it. No, I know you didn't get him to do it. You know, lightning struck. Okay, sure. I'll take that. You're lightning struck and it happened for you. Yes. And you know, this is a milestone inside of your life with you. What's that word that you always use this to? Oh, okay. Nuance. No, okay, it's not my word. Yeah. But yeah, that was nuanced. I mean, we don't have to get into the nuances. What did that mean to you? Where were you mentally when this was happening, when this guy is like- So it wasn't, so no, first of all, the reason why I say I didn't get him to do it because it wasn't my situation. It was his. Yes. I was coming into his thing, you know, that he had going on. I don't even remember how I even got there, to be honest. It was so long ago, but- That's how much- Your life is so nuanced. Uh-huh, that's pretty good. You saw what I did? Yeah, I saw it. You did that. Yes, that's crazy, man, for you to be- You can say that. You can say that. I know, but that's what I was focused on, that part. I'm like, I'm actually here. Like, oh boy, it's right there. Like, this is happening right now, you know? And, you know, I was super self-conscious, you know, the perfectionist in me wished that I, you know, I just did a whole bunch of- Oh, you'd be cringing when you seen that, when you see it? A little bit, a little bit. Only because I wanted to do better. You know what I'm saying? But I just did a whole run. My voice wasn't where I wanted it to be, but I wasn't gonna pass that moment. I'm back down from that. Like, no, I'm going, I don't care. Even if I'm at 30%, I'm a go. Okay, okay. And it was at a very interesting time because a lot of things were kind of like, it was a cross-section of a lot of moments in my personal life that I didn't know how to deal with. But here is this great moment to be distracted by, you know? So it was just, it was really ill. Yo, when you walked on stage, people was going bananas. I still couldn't, I still didn't know how to process that because I'm still- He right there on the stage with you! I know! They're already over the part that he's there! I know, I know. All of this is too big to process. Hey, can I tell you something? Hey, I'm your, I'm your friend. I know. But I started, I cried. When, what about when? I cried when he, when they was cheering for you and he was playing for you. Yeah, I did, I mean, I felt like it was happening to me. Am I as well? Yeah, yeah. I didn't feel like- It's for all of us, it's for all of us. I felt like- I can go through! Yeah, man. It's the moment for all of us. It was a win, man. Okay. Yo, so check this out, man. This is New Jackthrill City. And this, of course, this ain't the first time you've been on the show and it ain't gonna be the last time. We got a relationship segment that goes unmatched. Yeah, I saw some of the episodes, they turned out really cool. Yeah! I just be sad, like when I talk about stuff, I just be feeling like, I just be rambling on about crap that nobody really cares about. No, I can't- And then when I watched it, I was like, huh, I look like I sound like I know who I'm talking about. Man, let me tell you something. I mean, I know that I know what I'm talking about, but- You definitely know what you're talking about. Not everybody be paying attention. I'm like, I'm just talking to myself at this point. But I appreciate the platform, you know, to be able to express all of these things. Now, you know, I talk about a lot and often, because these are like deep thoughts that I have, you know, all the time, but I just don't know if, you know, other people, like, I mean, this clearly where all the songs come from, you know? But I never really talk about them in that way, you know, on a platform designed to be presented to people that just hear me talk about it. Most of them just want to hear me sing about it. But, you know, and then a lot of the times I'll be working through a lot of stuff too, you know? Man, people don't understand how special you really are. Oh, thank you. I'm about to do it again. I told myself, oh, don't do this to me. Jack, come on, man. Oh. All right, man. Yo, thank you, Music, for coming through New Jack Rilla City today. Yo, DJ Wiz, can you take us out? Ah. Thank you, bro. Thank you.