 There are a few distinct features of strength training that make it strength training. Here's one of the most important ones Rest periods literally rest periods are among all things what makes strength training strength training take them out Do them wrong. You're just doing cardio with weights this one comes up because uh I was talking had the father daughter dance this weekend, which I'll tell you guys all about later Okay, a little bit, but I was talking to some of the dads there and a lot of them are into exercise and working out and stuff and Conversation comes up around strength training and it's like a lot of them are like yeah I you know, I I do strength training, but you know to just kind of make it more efficient and intense I like to do like four exercises in a row or five exercise. I'm like, oh, you're doing a circuit It's like yeah, I'm like, what's that's not really strength training. It's that's good for stamina That's not really good. You know good for strength training and so I had to kind of break it down and explain But so many people think especially the typical person thinks that because you're lifting a weight Mm-hmm or using a machine or doing a strength training exercise That that means that you're doing strength training. You're not it's it's it completely changes the adaptation Even though using the same tools is totally different. Well, I think your common person and your average person out there is really like Thinking about how to burn calories and I think like burning calories and trying to kind of balance this whole thing with You know what their intake is versus like moving enough and you know if I'm from weight training though Like how many calories am I burning? I'm always getting that question a lot and so to kind of you know Take somebody out of that mindset takes quite a bit of education To get there and then strength training itself, you know so much value there But you really have to kind of take it back a bit to be like, okay Well, this is the most effective way to do it and actually like focus on building muscle And then there's this whole like other conversation about metabolism and building that up that you have to have as well Well in the in their defense, it is a bit complex. Yeah way it does seem it seems logical that if I lifted weights and and I'm doing it in a Circuit way or you know in a cardio base way of short rest periods that I would get the benefits of both Yeah, why would it be any different? Right? Right? Why I mean I your lifting weights. I'm lifting weights I'm just doing them with short rest periods. I'm sweating more. I'm getting a bunch more done So I'm actually gonna get the benefits of the cardiovascular side And then I'm also gonna get the benefits of the weight weight side. I don't understand like so I think that's it's a bit confusing if you don't understand how the body adapts to these different signals and So it to even I sometimes I feel like even when I explain to somebody they kind of like nod their head like yeah This is good for me, you know why part of the problem This is what I realized this weekend part of the problem is that we call them rest periods So people immediately think oh, it's because I an effective portion with no not just that But oh, it's cuz I need a break. But what if I don't need a break? I could keep going Why would I need to sit down and rest? Yeah, totally when I can just keep going Because rest periods are for people who can't keep going. They're too tired, but I'm good. I can keep going So this is keep doing this so we need like rebrand rest periods because it's not that you need to rest growth periods That would be so much more effective I've used the analogy of a AI car that adapts your driving abilities to Explain like cardio versus strength training, but I'll use it in this context as well So imagine if you had a car that used gasoline and nitrous So if you don't if you're not familiar with how nitrous works when you're racing a car You push a button nitrous gets mixed in with the gas and it dramatically increases the horsepower for very short period of time Yeah, you just the way the engine is increase. Yeah, you can't keep nitrous going It'll blow up the engine just doesn't work that way but in a short period of time. It's like 50 extra horsepower Okay, so now imagine you have a car that adapts to your driving abilities And so the way you drive it is you take off you hit nitrous, but then you just keep going as fast as you can Well, your car is gonna adapt by improving its gas tank because the nitrous only burned up for 30 seconds What if instead you hit nitrous soon as it was done burning off you stop the car Waited for the nitrous to fill back up and then it again for 30 seconds and the car adapted that what would it do? It would make more nitrous. It would become more powerful for the short bursts of energy This is how the energy systems of the body work when you're strength training What your training is an energy system that energy system is what contributes to bigger Stronger muscles that also contribute to a faster metabolism better hormone profile If I train through that and just keep pushing I'm now outside of the energy system and now I'm training other energy systems Which are more stamina and endurance base, which is okay if that's what you want But if the reason why you're doing strength training is to speed up the metabolism to build and sculpt the body Then get out of that energy system. You want to train for strength? This is why you do quote-unquote rest periods not because you need the break But because the break is what makes it effective. You got a program that kind of demand Yes, that that influx of you know high intense focused output and you know To to regenerate that is everything otherwise then you're not going to be at that High capacity you were with every rep It's just not going to happen because you're just trying to make it through and endure through that So so now your your output is a lot less if your goal is to throw a ball as far as you can besides technique What you would do is you would throw the ball as far as you could and then you would wait and Rest until you could exert a lot of power to do it again You would not be effective if you just kept throwing the ball over and over and over and over as many times you could until you got exhausted Obviously each throw would go shorter and shorter and shorter until you couldn't move your arm And you wouldn't achieve the the desired outcome the desired outcome of strength training is strength muscle boost metabolism shape And sculpt the body get that favorable hormone profile that we talked about that strength training provides When you get rid of the rest periods You've now you're literally now not doing strength training anymore. And so as I explain this You can see people's you know light bulbs going like oh Because what would people you know what they said to me is what I've heard so many times Which is what if I don't need a rest like this at the point? Yeah, you know, you don't need a rest Because you're you're too tired to continue you need to rest because that's what makes this strength training But yeah, we need to call it something else Today's giveaway is maps power lift if you'd like to win that program here So you can enter leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we posted here on YouTube Subscribe to this channel and then turn on your notifications if you do all those things that enters you to win Also, we have a sale on some workout programs this month Maps performance is half off and then our extreme fitness bundle of programs is also half off If you're interested or you just want to sign up click on the link at the top of the description below All right back to the show So what what what does the sport ball guy do on the biggest sports day of the year? enjoy You know amazing it is going out he lives for the commercials and no, I don't have nothing we didn't watch nothing No, no, you know great. It is plans to go out and do stuff Everything's quiet. He goes to museums. Everything's quiet. I do whatever I want. It was great. I went Sunday morning went to church after that I went to the range because I knew that there would be no weight at the range because everybody's like All the men are watching football. Yeah, I'll be there now because the outcome. Hey, just as many women watch football as well Yeah, definitely. Yeah, so but anyway, it was Like five minute wait got to do that and then last minute booked a Thai massage Which you'd never be able to do normally you have to book days in advance call them up. Nobody's there. I'll walk in Beautiful so your family has to watch though. Yeah, some of my family does really yeah Like half like like your cousins like who they're not watching are they not? Yeah, most of my cousins are watching. Okay. Yeah, they're not super So you won't even so you guys won't even get together like a family thing and even do like we have before and we would have you know If you know, but it just wasn't isn't that big of a deal But if somebody you know invited us over we probably would have gone I mean, I would think in it within your family because it was the Niners in it So I thought maybe that would be if you guys were to get together for a football, you know game This would be the the one. Oh, no, here's why area. Here's why nobody planned anything. My sister's husband works at What's the stadium the home stadium for the 49ers with Levi Levi? Okay. He works at Levi's So he's like a mechanical engineer or whatever. So he works there So they get this I don't know if you guys knew this if the 49ers ever go to the Super Bowl All the employees there Get an automatic ticket. Oh, that's cool. So him and my sister Went to Vegas to watch to be at the Super Bowl. Wow. Why my mom watched her three kids That's why we didn't have a big party. My mom was watching the kids and people were Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, so they got to watch it at the Super Bowl. So cool. Yeah, that's cool Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, are you kidding me? Yeah, so but but so from what I heard Maybe one of the best Super Bowls Super stressful or was it exactly what the conspiracy theory? Hey, they all say that I was looking out for that with like calls and dude It was so like fair, you know an honest the calls from the refs and so I had no qualms with it But I was definitely like I'm like sure and like I don't know if this is gonna go down So there was there was nothing that you know, I think I don't think there was like maybe one or two calls I thought were in the favor of the Niners. They did have definitely didn't do it wasn't questionable It was one of the best and what I mean my best games to it wasn't just because it was a overtime You know buzzer beater in in type in touchdown to win the game time. It wasn't just that it was like it was well played It was well played on both sides. Yeah, normally after a game that big it always because everyone's emotional about it, right? You know, yeah, you're Bro and shit Finger at every all the reasons why where it's just like at the end of the day man Just the better team You see that really yeah, some there were some some damage and stuff in San Francisco some cars Oh, I believe but I think it might have been just a regular is like We have to look at the abnormal Tuesday Actually, there was less cars set on fire You know what I did see I saw a clip so of course Taylor Swift, you know talking about her because she's good dating There was a quarterback of the chiefs or whatever Her friend that went with her to the game or whatever doing like some satanic weird While the game was going on It was like a spell Pull it up Doug. She was throwing up little devil horns and like doing this weird life Yeah, yeah, it was weird There's the people will find so I mean I did see the tweet from Joe Biden if that's real that's weird That was really what is that he's got like red like laser eyes, and it's just that's like nothing So in the whole memeing world isn't that like activated, you know, isn't that like a signal for something? I guess that means something. I don't know I was trying like that literally stumped me because normally I'm like, okay, this Like what's the message? I mean my take was that this is Joe Biden's just trying his best or his team You know taking a page out of the Donald Trump book, you know throwing some Controversial with no context. It's like touch him. What do you mean? There's total context the Super Bowl just happening There's conspiracy theories around it. It's it's totally exactly as I planned right so it's poking at that I almost feel oh, maybe there's poking fun. Yes. That's exactly what he's doing. I mean, it's it's a bit brilliant I mean come on you get we have to whoever's team is doing it You got to give them credit if we were to give it says just like we drew it up Yeah, oh, so maybe they're just joy their joke is this after the game Yes Because it was a whole spirit conspiracy. Yes, and it came down to you know, he involved in that conspiracy They're just trying to say that that the yes, basically that it was that yeah controlling it. Yeah. Yeah, I Mean, I think it's kind of clever. It's whack. It's Did you guys hear what he said seen better, did you hear he said Biden did you have an interpreter? No Yeah, however you want to know I did it. Did you know oh, yeah. No, I don't know. I have no idea what he said How's he gonna? He there's how was he gonna debate? I don't know what they're gonna do You know what I thought you don't have to if you if you were already a city in the general Oh, you still have to I mean, you don't have to boy with that look bad They'd be like me and you going up against each other and in a boxing match. We like we're not gonna box I just want everybody vote, you know almost like that. It's almost like that I mean, that's the it's the way to go like because you can't you you You if you goes up there. He risked losing worse. I feel like it's not going up there looks weak Sure, that's a tough one, but you know it's weaker getting up there getting destroyed. How much more weak can he look exactly that to me To me it's the play is the play is to not go up there, right? If you're looking at politics like sports, yeah, the play is to not go up there. That's to move Yeah, to go up there and right because it's it would be a bigger. Yes, it'd be a big It's better to be like people. Oh, he doesn't need to and then I argue over how bad it is or how weak he is Versus going up there if he does really getting destroyed if he does go up there and he does Talk semi-normal. I want to know what the hell stack of new tropics and shit What kind of miracle drugs are they put this guy? I know right if he could talk straight? I mean, yes Speaking of new tropics. I all you know, do you guys have lessons in life that you never learn you guys have those You know what I mean? Yeah, I have a few of those. Yeah, you know where you happens and you're like, yeah Again, yeah, I'll remember next time comes back, you know Anyway, so I was on the internet and I was like, you know looking up exotic Neutropics and stuff and I'm like, oh this company sells exotic what just new tropics. It's only you know Weird stuff, right? Oh, look at that. I could I could get this. Okay. I'll give it a shot. Yeah so I ordered some and You know came in the mail so I'm all pumped which insect is this from I don't even want to you know what I'm not gonna Say what it is, you know why because there's I realize they make money off of it. Well, not just that Yeah, we're not sponsored yet. No, there's there's a segment of listeners That is that will do it because I did it. They'll do it because they're crazy like I am Yeah, I'm not gonna let them do it. Sure. So anyway, I proceeded to give myself a migraine for 24 hours I did you figure out later on what was in it that caused it? Well, I knew that's I never get headaches So I knew it. I took some. Oh, was it like the synthetic new tropics? Yeah I took some and I'm like, I think I feel it. Let's try more and I took more Like an hour and a half later. I was like, ooh, that might have been too much. I can feel my teeth I know stupid Problem I had a I had a moment this weekend You know when you have those moments were like your your life flashes before your eyes No, yeah, dude, or and it always if or it's not that you're in your 40s. Let me get your sleep in the shower It was kind of like that. It was kind of like a moment. Yeah, so I You guys have heard me remember I told you guys like there's this The big trend of coming back of like super baggy stuff again Yeah, and I and I bought these sweats that was a collab with Stussy and Nike and They're like huge so I never wear them out They're like overly the huge clown pants and they weren't cheap, right? So but they're comfortable. Why'd you buy it because they're Stussy and Nike sweats I love both those companies and so I wanted I didn't know what they were gonna be when I got when they showed up They showed up ginormous. It's way bigger than you thought way bigger way But I mean and the and the drawstring I pull it all the way in and it's like hangs down to my all the way down Yeah, it's like I have to like double knot it. It's it's ridiculous, right? But they're comfortable and I just paid a lot of money for them. So I fucking wear them around the house, right? So it's like my comfortable sweats that I don't give a shit. I wear with my crocs. How about that? Yeah I'm not going out in public in it, right? So anyways I've got those sweats on and I'm we're having company come over. So I'm I've got one of those blowers, right? so I'm blowing the backyard and The fucking fan sucks up my drawstring whoa Yeah, and then it pulls it in but I have I can't remember the last time I screamed like a girl Because it's suckers And it pulled the thing at the same time and obviously I'm gonna I would have been okay But just the thought of like a motor going and then it getting pulled into my crotch. I could control Oh, man, I scream do I let it go it's like let it keep going I Got stuck you couldn't turn off trying to explain it to his neighbor Yes, that's how big they are. They're massive. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. What are they up there? Doug? What's that price? 120 bucks 120 bucks, huh? Yeah, so like, you know, I'm gonna throw them away. So I'm where I'm aware I'm there and they're they are comfy. They're just I just I'm just picturing it's stuck You're trying to tell your neighbor help and he's like wait a minute. Why are you? No, why's the blow? But you know, it's the drawstring I swear did not I mean it didn't even it didn't even dawn on me as a possibility Right, I'm not thinking about this this motor catching something in my on my clothes But yeah, I got the drawstring and it sucked it in and it pulled pulled it for towards me and then pulled my hips towards it And I screamed like a girl do you have a gas powered one or electric? I have electric one. Okay. Yeah, those men Those electric ones are good now. They're not bad. No, they're good I have both there's a part runs out about halfway through my property. So I went to gas This gas I'm like, you know, see you too for your Take that One that runs on coal if you guys can fire yeah, I would that make it so for yours I would have a gas one they make ones cool now to my buddy has the like the backpack one. Yeah, it's a gas power I get excited about that Directions and like how to barbecue something. Yeah, have you ever seen such a loser now? Have you ever seen the attachment? You take a blower and you I don't know if people make this You could put a toilet paper roll at the end of the blower and you turn the blower on and it blasts toilet paper straight out And you can like yes, he took paper trees. Yes, no way. Oh, that's a hack. No Kids have figured that although TP you're when you're teeping at night. You're supposed to be quiet. So a blower One of the morning would give away. Yeah, it would be fun with your kids imagine your kids running around you blast them with it I mean, so I mean did you guys I went through a teepee phase right? We used to teepee houses. So yeah, look see Wow, and it just shoots it out dude. I've seen people do that before it's fun. So you do you tape it? Yeah, how do you I have no idea? How do you attach it to the no idea? It's got to be easy though, but I have no there's a lot of videos on it So it's obviously a thing. I didn't even know this was a thing. Yeah, I don't know How did you find it? How did you find it on there? I saw a video of it a long time ago because this guy went into a room with his buddies And then he just blasted his friends with it and it was hilarious Yeah, cuz it's I mean I feel like I would take like a you know those rollers for paint. Yes I think that's what they then tape it on there and then I think it's the roller a paint roller that they yes It is see. Oh, hey, that's exactly Guy for that by the way people don't know MacGyver's look I wouldn't have thought to do that. Yeah, see Something that's like hanging out. That's that's us right there. Really bad Logical his wife's like, honey, what are you doing outside making a video shut up? I mean these guns, but it shoots far. I want to see how far goes. Oh, it goes far. Look look at that. Wow. See you just That's that's a good time. That's hilarious. I mean, that's a little people are pretty that's pretty clever. No, it's not It's pretty I mean They originally I thought okay, that's clever because you like you said you don't like wasting toilet paper No, I yeah, I do have a thing about that too But I mean, where would you actually use that like those? I don't know. It's just fun. Yeah. Yeah, just lighten up. Okay Well, your your original idea did give me thinking like, okay, I remember yeah, so you were were you a big tip here? Yeah, yeah, we were how many houses do you think you've done your life my life? Yeah, well more than 10. Yeah Oh, yeah. Wow. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, we've done 10 on a week on a weekend. Oh my god Oh, yeah, yeah, no definitely more than 10 really let probably less less than a hundred I've never tp'd a house. Really? No, we should do that. No Hey, would you go to jail as an adult man? Would you go to jail if you got caught? No, I don't think they would ever bust into that Hard for that. You think they just be pissed. So yeah, I've only egged houses, but which by the way that like ruins paint And that's like that's worse. Yeah, that's worse. He's just like a headache But not not a lot. I mean we did a few Yeah, I didn't realize it was that many I didn't think it was a lot how do people get out of their tree That's the hard part, right? Yeah, yeah, it makes it hilarious. It's a pain in the ass Most people got it up there for like a week or two to the wind or the rain blows it, you know Do you use like like good toilet paper? So stick around whatever you get your hands on when you're a kid It was whoever's house you're at. You don't say it's wherever your parents or whoever you were staying at. Yeah It's just I don't know. Yeah, it's just a prank. You're just trying to get a reaction I think the one that's really like mean is like so you tie the shoes and then you throw them up there And then they never get them back. I've seen that. I thought that's supposed to mean something I thought that was when a kid died in the ghetto. And that what it's supposed to mean. Wow. Yeah Definitely didn't yeah Look up look up boys with that from boys in the hood where that was originally from no Yeah, I thought so I think so when your buddy dies you throw his shoes up there Yeah, it was it was it was it's supposed to mean something how maybe one of my my guys over here could internet search I've poured a few 40s out. No, you didn't Did I ever tell you guys that we get so I got they actually they put us in the the newspaper because we were So we did this was during election time So we went around and you know during election time you have all the signs right on everyone puts in their yard Yeah, whatever so we went around and like with three three cars right trucks and brawling linked to organized crime Signifying the location of gang turf. Oh Commemorating the death of a gang member see or a non gang member who lived in the area So it was I told you that the shoes are also rumored to mark a spot for drug deals. Oh Now we know so now people see stuff like that It's like do it. Yeah, it's like suburban like idiots like just thrown shoes Yeah, I knew it met and I knew it meant something So we went around and we we had like a Bronco and two trucks and we collected as we went around our town Right, which is a small town and we just like stole ever all these signs from people's yards And then we went and put them all in this girl's you are like this one of these one of our friends, right? Then we know and we put them all in her yard the people obviously the people that are running for you know Officer that were so pissed about yeah, they they spent money on on putting a reward out for the site And it was it said side. I still have the newspaper clipping. I'll bring it in and they never caught you guys Yeah, of course, they never caught us Yeah, I mean it was a friend who we did it to and I don't think she was in any intention to rat us out or what that But that was the first first case of election interference in your town We started Then Biden got What did you do exactly how we play so speaking of kids I had my the last official oh, it's the last one other daughter day I'm gonna do it every year anyway, and I think the school she's gonna go to how do you do it anyway? I have it like every year. I'll take her out and say this is our day. Oh, okay So it's not the other group. Yeah, we'll be a official dad Get some dads I talked to some of the dads and they were like we're down to do it too Okay, but I mean this is since preschool since preschool I've made it such a big deal and it's such a special day for now This is the biggest you went though, right? You did limo you'd ever I got a big-ass limo for 14 people Yeah, you know the girls everybody had a blast the girls were there they were singing music in there and having a great time Do you guys know they don't put sunroofs on limo's anymore? Do you know that oh why cuz people have been yes Because we were in there and one of the dads was in the back and I just James good buddy of mine were laughing cracking up and he's like hey Maybe we can stick out put her come out the you know the sunroof when we pull up to the dance or whatever But it was an emergency hatch. You know, so like oh, don't pull that bro Yeah, so how many how many dads how many girls did you go? Oh, I think I want to say six and six or seven and seven so like 12 or 14. Oh, so you had a full limo Yeah, okay long limo. We went to dinner first And we're getting out and you know, we're all wearing it So the the dance was Barbie theme because remember it's elementary up to eighth grade So mostly for the elementary kids, but we all did it pink Like shirts and ties and the girls had pink dresses on and we get it You know walking it, you know, Santana row and people like what are you guys doing? I'm like, we're not old creeps. These are our daughters daughter father daughter You know, but we had a we had a good time. I feel like that's that's enough again. I would think it looks Yeah, but do you uh, do you like the dads? Yeah, yeah, cool guys. I don't we don't hang out outside of you know events like this. Yeah, but no great guys Really really night everybody's very involved. You know, it's sad is that a lot of schools don't do these dances Because a lot of fathers are not present. That's what that's that's sad to think about. That's the reason why that's it Yeah, because they'll do a father daughter dance and they'll be like 30% of the girls they won't have someone So did you have that I didn't have a father daughter dance in school Ever having anything like that girls. Is it a popular thing? Just grew up in all dude houses Doug did you do father daughter Davids? No, I'm not a daughter first off. Well, you have a dog No, Brianna never had that at her school. Yeah, I'm not familiar with that. Yeah, so you yeah, so I've heard about yeah So I guess that's the reason why a lot of schools do it is because there's not a lot of present. Oh, yeah Which is kind of sad, but you know this school the Everybody's super involved the parents are all super involved We pull up to the you know to the school because they really they really wanted to pull up to the school Of course they did. Yeah, it's like a big deal and we all get in just have fun. It was awesome I was it was emotional for me because When I was there, you know, my daughter's I should go off with her friends and hang out until there's like a Dance that the dad and the daughter's supposed to do or whatever But otherwise it's just me and the dad's hanging out and then her and her friends And I was there and there's all these little, you know, there's all the way from kindergarten up, right? Yeah, so I see these little girls running around and my buddy John is there He's got a little tiny one and a little old. He's got a seven-year-old I think it's like a five-year-old and I saw them playing and I just remember like yesterday when my daughter was You know four years old or five years old, you know running around dancing doing that I'm like, oh my god. It's the last one dude. It was really So what do you okay? So what you get to this dance? Oh, I'm assuming you guys probably do dinner We went to dinner first you guys go to dinner Yeah, and then you all climb back in the limo then you go to the school where the dance. Yeah, yeah, and then What are you doing for both? You're not dancing most of the time. Are you no no They'll do like like a couple like alright get your dad, you know, whatever Here's a dance with your dad type of deal But otherwise it's the the girls are all dancing and having fun and you guys are just like chaperoting at that point The dad's are just sitting there's tables. Do they teach me is food. There's like booths like picture booths Yeah, so we did some picture booth stuff There wasn't any like like oh super overprotective dads or are you that well? It's all dads with their daughters in there. So we're all like You know I mean, it's I mean are you like there's like are you that you were the super over Everybody's like that Like a boy trying out no boys in there. Oh, so it's literally just the girls in the dad. Yeah. Oh So I assume like oh hell no So, you know you can imagine father daughter dance, but the boys boys get a dance with your daughter So my niece Danielle, right Jerry's daughter. They had theirs this weekend, but it wasn't a father daughter No, it was a dance. It was a normal dance. And so that's why I so it's not like that There's not other boy. That's what I meant by overprotective too. I thought like you have to watch other like Chaperoning at that point. No, you think the girls would want their dads there while they're trying to dance I just that's why I'm confused. I'm asking questions. I had Me just dads and daughters and then some of the moms that help out with And so they're like did their dance with their girlfriends. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Okay, so then it's not all I thought I was like, man That'd be tough. You know the dad likes oh no daughters in a little short dress. Oh, no boys hitting on her That would be a disaster Danielle how it went so she Boy asked her to dance and she said no, I got all mad at her Why'd you say no to him like that? I'm a poor guy. Oh, he's got a crush on me. He's always good for her Yes, no the courage it takes for that poor guy to ask her for a dance. You know building character for Kid he'll make him stronger. Yeah Exactly builds character Maybe you'll be good sales one day. You will Sucks, huh, buddy? Better go home got to refine your approach here's here's what you're not gonna like this Stat that I put it's on my notes and since we're talking about daughters women some of that the average 23-year-old woman has slept with more men than the 53-year-old woman today Yeah, isn't that crazy how many how many people is that though? What do mean? I don't know. I don't know. Oh, you mean how many what's the number? Oh, cuz what if it's like two versus one? I don't know. Maybe you look at it. No, come on now the average Average 23-year-old has slept with more men than the 53-year-old woman So that doubt it's two one or two I doubt it's that but that's how much that number has creeped up for it for y'all though. It's dropping It is turning the other way. I'm dropping slowly, right? Yeah, but it's not that's because kids aren't hanging out with each other. That's the reason why it's dropping Yeah, well, we speculated on this. Yeah, what are some of the reasons why we think that is right? You know one of the most interesting conversations I've heard around this particular topic was around birth control and How for the first time in history ever actually human history We've been able to separate sex effectively separate sex from the potential of pregnancy and We never accounted for what that could potentially mean besides the fact that oh now you're not gonna get pregnant Like what else could this possibly mean for us sidely and psychologically. Yeah interesting There's really interesting data around it So it's it's it's interesting. It's like Let me think okay. Here's an analogy Imagine if we invented a way to where food would never make you overweight, right? Like no matter what you ate you would never gain weight everybody would cheer. Yeah But now that we've eliminated that natural potential fear or barrier. Yeah, what could that potentially lead to right? So so that's like it's like it's kind of like that, right? So although having a kid isn't the same as heart disease Interesting. Did you guys see you know John Strickland? Who's the Chimp? Did you see the you have the YouTube or not? I did influence her I did he got in the ring. Yeah, did you see that? I guess he was talking crap about him and then he sparred with him. Yeah, I saw him run into machine gun Kelly And I did see that I'm a weirdo You know when people have zero understanding and appreciation of Profiters I they really do I think that people think because they're big like big dudes I've seen what's his name Bradley Martin do this on on Instagram where he thinks he kid. Well, how about in the street fight? Oh, you're only 150 pounds You would get your ass kicks so fast you get put to sleep. It's because they're profiter. They're pros Yeah, that's like people don't know like I think the average man Man he's ignorant enough to think that like you're gonna go beat a football player at his sport or a basketball player Who's been playing their sport their whole life and it's like oh because you're you're fast Yeah, that's why I love pros versus so you're gonna go beat an NBA player. You guys remember that show? Yeah versus Joe's Yeah, yeah, I would love that for MMA. Yeah Just get any dude off the street like cuz yeah It's it's silly to even think that you're gonna average the average man needs to go to one jiu-jitsu class Just go to one jiu-jitsu class pick the smallest guy in there That's a black belt and then you will leave a different man Yeah, you will leave very humbled in a nice way and just realize just how you know how How tough you're not yeah Basically, so why so what happened you guys in describe so he I guess I don't know. Yeah He's part of I think he was talking running his running his mouth on social media Basically called him out and you said you met him met him and they actually met him Oh, yeah, they met him in the ring and then he and he's talking to him in the first round Right, he's like talking to him like letting him swing on him and stuff like that He's like, you know, you know, this was a bad while he's trying to hit him Sean's circling He's like you can't hurt me. You can't do anything. Yeah talking. He's like he's like slapping him with it Like a little bit. He goes, you know, you get hurt right now, right? Like and he turns it on It turns on just starts to pound in the defense of the kid though I mean he didn't he didn't knock him down all the ref you stepped in before yeah, I know He did handle a couple punches You could tell actually the other guy had had some sort of boxing like it wasn't like he's never put gloves on you can tell He had some sort of did you see what he said to about? What's that dude's name? You he was a YouTube star. He's been boxing people now. It's decent fighter, but Jake Paul Jake Paul Did you see what he said about Jake Paul? No, who said that? Oh, so what Sean sir Strickland said no No, he said you're a troll. You're a massive troll and I can't remember the exact maybe we can find the post It's Sean Strickland Jake Paul Maybe tweet or post some along the lines of You're bad because you're there's a whole generation of kids now That that is like oh, I can make money just by being a troll I can make a lot of money just by talking crap and being kind of this So no, it's funny you say that because I didn't watch the full interview, but I want to watch it I you know that I've been showing you George who came from George Janko, yes, yes, yes his and he just interviewed Jake Paul did he and he has a ton of respect for him And supposedly like that's like this character that he built online for attention and all stuff like that and supposedly behind closed doors He's like this really great guys and so I want to listen to the interview I saw the clips of it It looks really interesting just a different take on him right because he's branded himself as his problem child Yeah, and he's and he's used that like as a mom And so it's like it seems to be this big marketing ploy and deep down he's like supposed to be like this really super nice I mean it is I mean it is definitely effective, but yeah I guess I guess that's just sort of like looking at society in general It's like you kind of got a look at what we're drawn to you know Like if the the trolls are getting all the attention your boys like them Do they follow do they follow the Paul brothers and stuff like that? Are they not into their stuff? They're not really into their stuff I think they kind of see they see it is I guess They look at them as douchebags for the most part really my impression of them Which I don't really have that much of a problem with you know the Paul brothers I kind of understand what they're doing and like why they're trying to get the tension they're getting yeah, but Yeah, I'm trying to think who they they're in him like mr. Beast a lot and like kind of like they're I Don't know the the influencers a little more altruistic You know the ones that are kind of like they're definitely lean more towards those types of YouTubers, yeah, but they're not like They're I don't know it's a weird thing cuz they're not really in the main Like what most kids like in terms of influencers. They're not like these aren't their idols Yeah, you know so here's what he said and I thought it was a well I thought what he said was very who's Sean Strickland? Okay? He said I want to conclude so they're going back before talking shit cuz Jake Paul offered him a million dollars to spar Infillment so I offered him a million dollars to spar and then to whatever and so Sean and they went back and forth and Sean said I want to conclude this I want you all to understand the phenomenon that is Jake You're a professional troll you fight retired small MMA fighters because you're a troll But the worst part of it all is that you're a cancer you inspire people to accomplish nothing to be nothing You inspire people to be trolls because you were successful at it Jake Paul you might be rich, but you're not a man You buy product of society that has fallen your trolls will rally around you and be inspired to be like you But understand one thing you and your troll army are not my equals enjoy your virtual world with the with the understanding That you're a cancer on this country money will never buy you dignity damn. I mean he wrote that he yeah I mean he made some point maybe a little chat GBT help That was I mean he made some you know he made some good points Yeah, you know though too like I mean I don't know how many times have we been so like until I meet someone now like I'm Not like I'm extra careful, but of course, you know Of course like putting a strong opinion about somebody until right I get a chance to sit in front of them do an interview The whole character totally right. It's the whole character right and so how you mentioned was the name in George Yeah, he does really good job of digging into that really good super good. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's I'm telling you right now He is up and coming as far as like interviews Chris Williamson and George I think Janko is how you say his last time. Is that right Andrews at Janko? Is that how I say it? Okay? They're two of the better In the game for sure right I know everybody is huge Joe Rogan fan Joe Rogan's good Don't get me wrong, but Joe Rogan can be a little bit long-winded for me three hours on every interview is just it's too It's his own style. You have to I have to I have to really be into that one guest To pull me in to all to get to that point right it take he takes an hour and a half to get to deep conversation It's it's more it's less an interview more like it's a hanging out. Yeah, it's a hang Yeah, it's a totally different style would not have existed. I totally I love it But yeah, it's a different it's a totally different one. Well, you have long drives Yeah, I do I have to listen to long Yeah, you're the only one I think who can't who does out of any of us that actually finished Rogan interviews Probably go back. I think I finished him in the interview this do yeah him and Jordan Pierce speaking of driving So this weekend I'm not gonna give away too much But this weekend we went away to create not this weekend But last week to create a new program when we do this every once in a while, right? We go off and we'll get a house somewhere somewhere somewhat secluded so we can really just dive in and just get creative So we were all supposed to head up there. You guys all went up before Doug and I So Doug and I took off together and we're driving up and I'm using navigation and it's over the hill It's over in what town was that so Cal so Cal okay? So like at the top of the hill or whatever So we're driving and I'm following the navigation and it's been storming. It's been rainy and stormy lately My navigate without realizing it my navigation took me through I don't know what it was, but it must have been a shortcut. Yeah You took off early and basically went through all the back roads to get there Yes, so we're going up and it's sketchy bro So Doug and I are in the car and it's sketchy already the road doesn't look good. It's kind of muddy whatever We're 30 minutes into Backwood driving where you can't even make a u-turn it would take me 25 times to make you turn like single-aid roads Yes, and everything yeah, so it's like just to make you turn would have been because the other side's a cliff right? So we're like driving we get up we're driving up and I'm like, oh you got to be kidding me There's a sign road closed. I'm like How are we gonna turn around? What are we gonna do? So Doug's like, you know me and I'm like just go around doesn't look like there's anything wrong like all right So we go around right around the road close. Hey went around the road close sign drive up and Downed there's a there is a down power line on the side, right? But it looked okay, right? Looked okay, so I'm like wasn't all the way down Just But it was it was holding Not yet. Now. Yeah, this is the first one the first one. Yeah, the first one It looked like the road was kind of washed out So we kind of went around it or whatever drive-in drone like okay, that was kind of sketchy I'm a little like low-key anxious right now, but whatever so we keep going then we come up another sign road closed I'm like, oh, like let's go around this one So we go around we come up and there's a big ass throw big ass tree Fell on a power line and the power line is supporting it and the tree is going across the road And it's literally suspended Drive under it. So I'm like like listen to turn around it would have been hard plus It's already been already 40 minutes into the drive committee. I'm like, dude. What are we gonna do? So Doug's like let me get out. Let me see if you can clear this so he walks up to the tree He's like like, you know giving me the hand signals. I barely scrape underneath it or whatever Bro while I'm driving while I'm going I'm like if this thing falls we're done. I don't bear sing Yeah, what an embarrassing way to die? Because I don't want to turn around But then we made it up and we're okay. That was sketch dude. I don't know how people live up there We can't let you just like go on your own. Yeah, you know, we need like to like have you next to our car like and Doug's to pass that better. Did you want to turn around Doug? Doug's like, okay, you know, whatever No, I was I was committed to getting there I deal with that stuff all the time, dude, you know, it's just one of those things part of living in the country How do people live up like if that part of it you can't get out There's other ways, you know, you get creative. But yeah, there's I mean, there's a lot of roads It just shut off and sometimes I that's like the few times a year. I have to call and be like, hey Sorry guys, I can't leave my house. Wow, you know It happens. Yeah, that was a bad storm. I was a pretty bad Well for us, it was a bad storm and then it was freezing I tell you guys it was uh, it was like Jessica sent me a picture. It was below 40, which for here's cold It's like 38 degrees My son goes outside. I told you guys he's a polar bear, right? There's something interesting about him in cold He likes to be really cold likes cold baths everything. He's outside barefoot short sleeves in your popsicle Check out your kid Max runs hot too, but Katrina's in denial about it Sweaty How many more puddles of sweat this kid got to wake up in before you realize he runs hot like his dad He runs on there's been we've had him up it when we've been at the truckie house and you know I like it so cold, right? So I I shut the heater off in that room. I open up the window So it's cold by by middle of the night You can see your breath and I'll be all bundled up under the covers because it's nice and cold in there And Max will have kicked the covers off and be laying out and just his underwear and a t-shirt like outside the blanket Did he go to bed like no problem or do you sometimes have to lay in there with him? No, he's he's solid Yeah, so he's what about when he was like three He's been pretty good for a long time like I said we did a really good job of Training even like when so if I lay with him, right? So like I he what he'll do is this of Katrina's routine is she puts him down, right? And she's done that for a long time and I I'm downstairs kind of cleaning this with that But normally what will happen if there's if it's a night where he just doesn't go right down after he gets Red to and so that she'll come down she'll be like hey He wants you to come say good night to him and so then I'll come up I'll give him a kiss and then I'll lay with him for about two minutes. Okay, and then I'll walk away Yeah, cuz lately Really, he's only three three is it three and a half. He's not even three and a half yet But he he's haven't he's been having trouble and he's poor kid. He'll say I I'm having trouble sleeping. I wish I could be like an adult adults go right to sleep like poor kid You know, so we're laying in there with them and you know, and then we lay there until he falls asleep But the other night You know, we were doing this and I don't know if he's anxious or what the deal is He's having trouble so Jessica and they're laying there with him and she's and he's getting frustrated because he doesn't want to sleep so he does this thing where he Like I'll read it I'll tell him a story and then and then he'll I don't know why he does this He lowers his voice when he's getting serious like don't leave So his mom was trying to get him to like take deep breaths like to help calm He's like no, I don't want to know I don't want so I'm like hey I got a story for you so I made up a story about this garbage truck because he loves garbage truck So every story is garbage right about this garbage truck that's scared to go to work. It's his first day at work Yeah, so his boss teaches him how to breathe in through his nose and out through his mouth So the whole story is the garbage truck doing that and then teaching other on his way to work He teaches a bird to do it because a bird is scared and the whole time my son is copying me As I'm telling the story right that's great. It was such a great moment because my wife got to see how brilliant I was yeah, she actually She sat there and as I started telling the story She makes his face like don't distract him He needs to learn how to breathe deep and I'm like, let me tell the story. I know what I'm doing Yeah, and then halfway through she's like, oh, I get what you're doing. You're so It's hurrying this up so we could have the method to the Anyway, he relaxed but wait what I'm gonna try and haven't done this yet is I'm gonna try the Organified gold juice with him. Hmm. So I'm gonna because he'll love the taste. There's nothing in there. He can't have no Yeah, oh, and it's all very relaxing make it nice and warm Give him like half a dose. I didn't think about that Max would love that. Yeah, cuz he loves hot chocolate So he would love to do that way. Yeah way better than the hot chocolate. That's not a chocolate stimulating That's not a that's not a bad idea. I didn't even so I'm gonna bring that out anyway I haven't used it in a little while I'll go through spurts of using it regularly and it does it works when you take when you drink it You get nice nice calm sleep. Oh, yeah. No, that's still one of my favorite things So do you do you guys use the apps? I gave you for me talk about him before where it tells you like grow his growth spurts Yes, I swear those things are accurate. Yeah weird, right cuz anytime even still this day I didn't realize how like how far it continues to go like in his age like Katrina big man Max's just seems off and then her and I was like, you know When's the last time we looked at the app to see if like he's due for like and it's like almost all Yeah, you know, he's correlated be like, oh, he was acting like it whatever. Yeah, he was yeah These and it's always those type of behaviors, right? It's like this like if it's light type stuff or being connected Well, what I think with Aurelius what it is is there's there's these childhood diseases I don't know if you guys are familiar with them, but kids get these viruses We all get them one of them is called I don't know what the actual term the name of it was called slap cheek And so basically the reason why it's called slap cheek is one of the signs is they get really Red cheeks that kind of look like a rash a little bit on their face And that's the tail end of the virus and what typically leads up to that is either a fever or a lot of kids Don't even get a fever. They just get cranky. So the little cheek thing popped up on them recently I'm like he must have had this virus and we didn't know and now that the the rash part comes out Now it's the tail end of it. So I'm hoping, you know, I'm hoping now You guys didn't go through as bad of a like getting sick phase as we did because we put them in school So early every parent that does what you do. They don't talk about that. Yeah, where you just they get sick There was a year there. There was like a year a year straight We're like I remember Katrina and I like it was like this massive celebration if we made like 10 days in a row of Like not fighting a coal or something. I remember like God, when's this gonna, but I also remember people dish coming home Yeah, I remember people telling me that they're just like, oh, yeah Once you get them into school like that's like just be ready for that and the schools they take them You know, they're like unless they're like, I think it's like they're throwing up or have a fever than you then you diarrhea fever Yeah, there's like only a couple things but they're just like blowing snot and no otherwise they'd have no kids. Yeah Exactly. So that's all that's fair game. So you're I wonder if teachers have Some of the best immune systems because of that think about what they'd be exposed to they should Yeah, I always thought that we'd be that way because of the gyms hospital. I thought that too But I I got sick a lot me too, you know why though. I think we got sick a lot Why think about the gyms the gym environment. There is zero sun Yeah, I bet you we were all low vitamin D because we were constantly indoors in the gym Yeah, I think that's a big problem for anybody. Oh, yeah Yeah, I supplement with vitamin D regularly and my vitamin D levels are in the middle and I take 5,000 I use every day and I'm in the middle. So imagine if I took nothing where I would be Yeah, I don't know how I still think yeah getting outside is the remedy for a lot of this and like getting dirty and like Being exposed all the different bacteria and like I don't know. I feel like indoors is really where this this whole incubation of Yeah, viruses and everything else like it's it's such a problem and everybody's so drawn indoors now because of technology everything I wonder It's only gonna get worse brutal. I know the goggles are there. That's they're insane, dude Oh, that's a lot a bunch of shares of Apple because yeah, yeah, of course it is Well, you know the listening the all-in guys and they're talking about they're going back and forth on just the how brilliant it is And one of the arguments and there's nobody who's debating out of them that that that's probably not healthy for society, right? Yeah, it's like not gonna help with depression. It's not gonna help with kids and communication Does it come with a lifetime subscription for SSRI? None of them deny that but like the thought is that it's gonna completely like eliminate laptops Yep, and I'd never thought of that like so imagine something that how it's gonna augment people's work Yeah, how many jobs will be more efficient when you can be on the go? And I know it's again with traffic and everything else will be and it gives you now a Three-dimensional world to be trained in versus an intuitive two-dimensional where you watch like a video or something, right? So like now like you could have a surgeon or a mechanic or something like that The skill level for everybody is gonna increase crazy because yeah, it's all programmed There's gonna be some really interesting applications to how this gets used and and it's It's definitely here to stay and this is probably going to be the obviously the first scary How do we get it off the goggles like because I know that they're probably trying to think of ways Oh, this is version one. Yeah, I know it's gonna actually be so small that it'll just well like either contacts or Do they just do they go the route of like having something that just as a projected like yeah holographic that you can interact with What's it? I would prefer that so you so the thing that's what I didn't think about that makes it nice to have these goggles is that You're private now so imagine when you're like people aren't seeing what you're doing Yeah, they can't see anything that you're doing you have imagine you just have your keyboard out now And I could be on porno, but I could be in my bank accounts I could be doing things that are private in a public setting and nobody has is the wiser of it where You can't do that stuff in public with your laptop. Yeah, I don't think by the way I don't think you could get you can access pornography on them yet. Oh, really? I think I mean that was just no, no, I think in fact they purpose they said no they wouldn't allow it Oh, really? Yeah, which that's gonna change of course. Yeah, sure that there's already someone who's Yeah, and my point is I forget that right? I just gave that as I hope things I know but yeah, somebody didn't want don't want to see you don't want to be in a coffee shop watching porn Could you see a future? Could you see a future in which if you're not wearing something like that? It's weird like you're in public and and and not wearing them will be like. Oh, what is it? I guess looking for the masks That's exactly what I thought, you know how quickly not wearing a mask made you a pariah Yeah, all of a sudden you're the one that I mean there's no there's gonna be no guilt attached to it The same way so it won't be as crazy, but I do I mean this is what will push the whole divide of half and half Right, you know what it'll be like is like literally like you'll you'll know Someone's views on life just by whether they walk around wearing them or not, you know I'm saying Very similar like if someone you know if you have a flag in front of your house now It's like it's almost like guaranteed. You know who that person votes How weird is that that like it's gonna be like that or it's just it's just one more signal On like how what you where you stand from a spiritual Context all right spiritual standpoint what we're doing is we are Separating ourselves more and more through the illusion of connection. It's literally a spiritual Twist it's like you're more connected now. You're actually not yeah, but you're more connected now But you're not so the part the part that I find that's gonna be really interesting Sal is that It it seems that and then listen to the all-in guys as an example this right you have all these kind of tech nerd dudes and investors that are like Talking about how brilliant. Yeah, but then they're also dads But they're dads and they also recognize the the the pitfalls of it too So the the interesting part is gonna be how as a society we wrestle with that because I don't I think it's No long 10 years ago We were so unaware of the damages of social media and in the addiction of these apps and things like that Like that's no longer now Obviously, there were some people that were privy to it and that were ahead of the curve but like most people are aware of it now and so Being aware of that and then now seeing it like how are you going to to manage that like you think you'll have laws Where it's like you're not allowed to use these in public. I do I could see us Uh, I could see people wanting that You know, even though that's a slippery slope too But I could see which is like what china does right like where that's just like the kids can only use it till a certain time And I could see that and this is what we tend to do as a society When we are too lazy to take control ourselves and raise our children We want the government to do it and so I wouldn't be surprised if More and more stats come out about how dangerous it is and so the government says hey, we'll we'll help you Don't worry mom and dad like we'll we'll shut it off so nobody can use it Either that or the money's gonna do the opposite. There's a there's a lot of money into this into this technology You think the the government it may be the opposite where the government's like no We're not gonna control any of this gonna be so weird if the like majority of people have goggles on their face Yeah, you know yours walk around everybody with goggles on their face Look like dorks. Yeah, like it's it's gonna be so weird. Listen. Well, first of all, that's not okay one 50% of the society can't afford those so yeah, not yet not now Well, yeah, yeah, and then by that time they won't be big goggles So I don't it'll be but it'll still be weird to not have something that's sure sure But I mean the reason why it's so weird to you right now is because one It's so brand new to us too You see these big old clunky goggles But the truth is by the time it becomes affordable for everybody it ain't gonna look nothing like that No, it'll be it will be either you won't be able to see it It'll be a contact or it'll be classic But think about what a disadvantage you'll be at right where everybody around you Has this augmented ability and you don't and your friends like dude. Look at that thing over there And you're like I can't see it like what do you mean? You can't see it like it's too far. Oh, you don't have Oh, yeah, you don't wear the thing, you know, whatever you're weird, bro, you know, you're gonna It's gonna be well, I mean it's yeah Again, like if you get into there's a lot of really cool Additions to it right like I saw something where you could collect coins for like cleaning your house And they're all distributed around there and you're just basically gamifying like chores and shit That's actually kind of brilliant. It was brilliant. I was like, you know, my kids would be like, yay You know trying to get all the coins kind of fucking brilliant. Actually, it's just like it's so It's just interesting because now it's it's a whole another uh part of our reality our new reality that We didn't foresee and that's Apple's one of those companies that you know, it's gonna stick like it's not it's not like it's a Here today and then tomorrow everybody's gonna be like, oh, I'm over imagine You can I mean, I think right now they already have this on them. Where can you put them on and then you could Like augment the person you're looking at so they can look like someone else But imagine where that would go Where you could literally everybody you can make whoever you want look like whoever you want That is strange the the I don't know. I don't I don't know if humans are ready for the kind of power that technology's starting to unleash Which is literally you can have anything. Have we ever been have we ever been No, no, we tend to find a way to I mean, that's just how we do it, right? We're gonna push the limits and then get burned and we come back the other direction. You see to the uh, You see the hot is it Hyundai Hyundai that did the excavator. No, did you see it? Oh, yeah, pull up That was sick. I know right pull on the Hyundai excavator. So futuristic Hyundai or Hyundai Hyundai. You the car Well, that's the other car company. Why do you think it's so weird? How do you say it? Hyundai? I can't say it right. You just said it three different ways. So which one is it Hyundai? I feel like I can't say it right now. Is it Hyundai or Hyundai? Hyundai I think yeah, we all look confused too now. Uh, but it's yeah, it's Korean, right? Yeah, it is. All right. What's what's the look at it pulled up? I've done pulled up. It's not my job to do that Hold on if we had goggles on we would yeah, exactly. I've never even seen it I don't even looking at it. Yeah. Hyundai is how I always say Hyundai. There you go I mean, it's going to be all like Controlled right so to be a compact excavator. It's not it. No, no, it's not it It's it's super futuristic looking. Yeah And what's it put in electric excavator by Hyundai? Is it for like, uh, just construction work? Yeah What else would you use? Why are you into this right now? No, I'm just I'm I'm interested. I've always wanted one this So you remember when we were in in park city at our place And the guy had a control remote control little, you know, it was mini though was tiny And so this is like a fucking super huge and you're not in it. You're just control. Yeah. Yeah, you're not in it Yeah, and I'm I'm sure it'll all be eventually ai driven right where you tell it a project and then it just goes and does it Wow So I mean between the houses being built themselves I mean, we're not far away from this some of this tech that's going to be pretty wild to see How much of a of the labor can be done? Um, you know, but there there you go Let me see with this. Is this a Super Bowl commercial? Is that why? No, no, this was this I saw this actually last week sometime No, that's still not it either. No, it's not it. Yeah. I don't know why you're having such a hard time Well, it says next generation electric excavator. So Oh Oh, here we go. It's like put there you go. There you go. Yeah, that's oh that looks out of uh, Like sci-fi movie. Yeah, it looks like I got a dune or so. I thought it was crazy Speaking of that dude dune 2 coming out. Oh, I can't wait. It doesn't March first. I think it was a great One of the only movies I've seen like three or four times. I've never did a fantastic job with the first one. So they did Yeah, see see this. Oh, yes, you get the The no no human trucks and yeah, it's all Okay ai powered. That's cool Wow, oh, wow, that's cool trippy, right? Yeah, that's really cool Now, I mean throw those on Mars and you're gonna start building colonies, right? Oh, yeah Do you think they're gonna find artifacts on Mars from old humans, Justin? Yes. Okay. Yeah, all right. You do just look at okay That's actually a way that humans. I heard there's there's some way you can search Anomalies Mars you search anomalies on Mars and then it like has like just Uh thousands of images that you have access to from I think it's Hubble or one of those like uh, what? Yeah satellites. Yeah, and rovers and things that they've just so lucky you know us Adam. We get to teach you all this cool stuff So I mean, I haven't actually gone through it. Also It could be total BS, but like it sounded compelling. Yeah, all right. I want to give uh, Can we shout out the Arnold classic again? Why no, all right? I'm gonna do it No, you're not allowed to listen Arnold classic. We're gonna be there March first and second Friday The first from 2 p.m. To 4 p.m. We're gonna be at pros gym in columbus. Yeah, have we have we announced that? Yeah, we did one time. Oh, we did. Yeah, I want to say it again because it's coming up So if you're gonna be at the Arnold classic Go to pros gym, uh from two to four on march first. Do you sign up for that or is march first of friday? Uh, I believe so. Yeah friday march first. Yeah. Yeah, so go it'd be awesome Come say hi come say hi Zbiotics is a probiotic for when you drink alcohol. Check it out It is a probiotic that has been genetically modified to break down some of the negative byproducts of alcohol consumption Acetaldehyde breaks it down in the gut So the next day I feel so much better when I drink zbiotics before I drink alcohol anyway Go check them out. It is in its own category. There's no compound like it. It is patented Go to zbiotics.com. That's Z B I O T I C S dot com forward slash Mind pump and use the code mind pump to four For 15 off. All right back to the show Our first caller is eddie from germany eddie. What's up, man? What up eddie? How can we help you? Hey there fellas. I appreciate you having me on you got it. Um I guess first off we'll start with the uh the obligatory thank yous. Um, what you guys do is pretty amazing and uh I find as a new trainer You guys are able to put in the words things I've been thinking for a long time. So I really appreciate that you've helped me a lot to Communicate better as it were although I will say For the uh, the new listeners be careful how far back you go in the library For fun. I I jumped back to episode one on spotify and let me tell you it was a way different experience I uh, I visualized you guys like sitting around a tape recorder and like that 70 show in the basement It's pretty close to that bro. It was pretty close Pretty wild But definitely a good time. So appreciate you guys. Um, so I just jumped right into it. If that's cool. You got it Little background on myself. Um, I'm active duty military And um, look at retirement in the near future. I I got certified as a trainer a few years ago Kind of uh on a lark. It was um, we had a program Where they would pay for a certification like something you could spin into Uh, something that would help your military career and they would just flat pay for it So I got uh certified as a personal trainer thinking it would help out uh my airman with their their fitness uh fitness goals and uh the requirements because Everybody knows the military were required to maintain a certain fitness standard But the part they don't tell you is nobody tells you how to do that. They just say go run And you'll be okay, you know, like so I thought maybe this would help me out And what came from that Uh, kind of ironically is that I fell in love with the process uh, I fell in love with other people's successes And um, the the pr's of my my new clients actually became more important than my own. It was uh, it was kind of a wild experience and Through that experience of like I said falling in love with the process and and helping people out um I've never actually charged anybody for my services Like I'm just helping my airman. I'm doing what I need to do. Um, even when uh recently I lived in Japan I uh Was very involved with the japan leg of spartan race And even then I didn't charge for anything. It was all volunteered because throughout all this time I've still received my full uh my full military salary So that wasn't like I needed the money. I did it for the love of doing it for the love of helping people And through that whole time, uh my wife some of my peers and my fellow coaches have always told me like not to devalue myself And then I should be charging and then um, you know to to get compensated for my time and for what it's worth, but Throughout all of it. I've never really felt like I knew What it was worth And I didn't want to I didn't want to overcharge people. I wanted to help people I didn't want to like overcharge them or feel like a salesman trying to like Grub the money because the money wasn't the point and I'm sure you guys can kind of sympathize a little bit with that um, so my question is kind of kind of two fold kind of two part is um, how do you I say guesstimate maybe like a rule of thumb or guesstimate kind of a baseline of Where do you start that price at I guess and as I don't really Know what I feel like it's worth. Um, or what I'm worth and that's not to downplay myself I I love me. I would never talk badly about myself, but I wouldn't um Kind of not knowing what that what that service is worth. Um, do you guys have any recommendations on how to How to get that feeling how to really get the vibe of like, okay, this is what this is what my time is worth and this is what it deserves Um without taking away from the the spirit of it all is that that kind of makes sense Yeah, it does. Um So there's a there's a I guess a plain answer. Um, but then there's also a more I guess Accurate answer for this particular individual an individual question. So the plain answer Markets determine what the the cost of products and services. So that's a negotiation between You and your customer now. I say negotiation. I don't mean literally like you're sitting down negotiating with someone But it's literally, you know, how much you feel You you know want to charge and then how much your customers or clients are willing to pay for your service? Okay, that's the very plain Basic market-based kind of answer Now I'm going to tell you a story that'll kind of illustrate where I'm going to go But I remember years ago. I had this discussion with some staff members and we were talking about what brings Value and meaning and purpose to employees and one of the people that I was with made the argument that it was their pay Like the more they get paid The more valuable they believe they are and the harder they're going to work And I thought about that for a second and then I I I replied and said no I don't think that's the case. I said some of the hardest working people I've ever met my life were volunteers people that volunteer their services For a cause that they feel very deeply behind. So this is a so this is much more complex So it's going to be like this. Look um a number one Don't worry about what other people say if you feel the value you're getting is in the service You're providing and you love doing it and you can already support yourself Then that's perfectly fine now if on the other side you're like look I also Need to be able to earn some you know some money while I do this because it is taking Some of my time. I just don't know what to charge You can always start with the average of what the market is Around where you're at and then move from there and then move up from there And that's just kind of like a basic easy way to Kind of start the other thing too is that you got to remember Asking people for money for your services isn't going to be disrespectful to them if anything People often appreciate the opportunity to give you something for the value that you're providing It's like it's like having a friendship like one of the best things you can do with a friendship is to ask your friend For a favor and they'll feel good doing that for you So I hear these people you're working with them and it's like I remember when we started the podcast We didn't ask for a dime for a year. We didn't sell a single product We knew it was time to monetize because we had Hundreds of emails of people begging us For a way to give us money to donate. Can we just give you something? You're providing us so much value And then we knew and these these people felt so much value from what we were doing It's like they wanted to be able to give us something So then we started monetizing and that's how we knew so I would start with kind of the market average and then and then take it from there what you're comfortable with I have a couple thoughts around this Eddie. So first of all, I think it's it's great that you're like this I mean, that's your integrity, right? You have this you have this You have integrity about it. You know that you're learning and figuring things out yourself and through that process You you know, hey, I don't feel like I'm gonna charge anybody right now You have the luxury of having an income without it. And so it's a great place to be to to earn your stripes Uh, I there is no like wrong or right way to do this. I'll tell you how I did this, right? So when I moved into the digital coaching space, that was new for me Even though I had a trainer background, I didn't know How to structure it or what it would look like or how am I going to provide these people value virtually? So what I did was I kind of looked around and saw what what the the average price that a online coach was charging people at that time I think it was around, you know, 250 to 300 a month is what the service is and then I looked into like What are they doing for that that price and oh, they have these check-ins once a week And they give a meal plan and it'll work out and that's kind of what they do and it's like, okay So my goal was I'm going to start lower than what the average is what everybody else is on because I want to prove That I can provide as much or more value than what everybody else is So I was going to undercut them in price just a little bit So I think I started like the 150 200 range And I was going to go out there and see if I could do everything They were doing and more to provide value for the people that were coming my way And then I did that until my book got full and it was like, okay I'm going to just I'm going to take on as many of these people for this price point Until my book and my time was was full and I couldn't really take anybody else on and then I told myself, okay Now as one person falls off and I have to go get another client I'm going to just increase my price by 50 bucks and then I'm going to increase and I just kept doing that Until I finally reached a place where I was charging significantly more than everybody else was and in that process I was learning how to get how to how to do this how what everybody else was providing value Finding ways to how could I do even more than what other people were doing? And then also getting feedback from the people that I was servicing and helping like was I really changing lives? Were they giving me like, oh my god, that was so helpful. Oh my god, you're so great Were they starting to refer me to their friends and I would tell them That hey, this is a price that I'm charging you but if you refer me to a friend Please don't let them know what what I'm charging because my my price that I'll be charging other people will be x Right, so you would tell the people that you're currently charging So they feel special right that you're doing them a favor by charging them this low price price point If you do a really good job a percentage of those people will go out and tell their friends and that was kind of my goal was like can I Help this these immediate five to ten to fifteen people Right now so well for such a good deal that they want to go out and tell their friends their family that hey You got to work with eddie. He's the best he helped me with this He did all these things and so that was like what the goal was was go prove to myself I can impact these people this much that they go out and tell others about me when they go tell others about me letting them know that Hey, this is your price anybody else It'll be this price if they come on and then that's how I kind of just kept leveling my price up along the way So that's my first thought around this my second thought was did you did you show up to our three free day training? I absolutely did I was gonna I was gonna bring that up because um, I'm I feel like you guys are uh Speaking to me directly when you talk about the trainer who doesn't want to do sales and who doesn't want to Who just wants to grind out there doesn't want to sail like I feel like you're targeting me So I did do the three-day training. I really appreciate that because it it definitely changed my perspective on a lot of that stuff and the The point of view I have of like, you know, I I can't help people if I can't provide for myself and I can't um Get there if I'm not like putting value to if that makes sense So that the three-day training was amazing Uh, I will say it was a little rough because uh the time difference between you guys It was about 1 a.m. Here when I was watching so I may uh, I may go try and go back and watch it again If it's still up I don't know if they're still up on the internet or not for replays But may give it a second hack after some sleep You can replay it and you are by the way, you are normal. Yeah most trainers You're the majority you are and that I mean the reason why we put that product out Like so when we built the mine pump mine pump coaching program We were we saw a need in the market There's this there's this thing where we all focus on national certifications the education the nutrition part and Yet nobody was really speaking to trainers on how to get good at sales how to scale their business How to make money and that's a big part of being successful as a personal trainer is knowing how to do that And so that's what that course was all about And so yes one you could do that too You would gain tremendous value from that community that we built So and there's also payment options all that because you're not charging people You're not making a lot of money off of personal training You have the ability to enter in there and do a payment thing on the coaching And then you have a community with all of us in there that are helping trainers just like yourself scale their business Yeah, I think this is an interesting industry because it's it's a lot of people are very passionate about helping people And that's kind of what they lead with which is amazing. And that's why I love Uh, you know the majority of trainers and that mentality and the integrity you're kind of presenting with that However, you have to be able to also consider In order to be able to scale and keep your business afloat and and keep everything Operating appropriately, you know, that's just one of those those things We have to be up front and to it almost actually brings a little bit more anxiety when you're unsure about Being able to charge somebody, you know a specific amount of money There's this expectation there that needs to be met in the very beginning So it's just it's one of those things that kind of just relieves Both individuals of this this extra like unknown So to have an unknown of like, you know, well, well, when are you going to ramp your charges up or when You know, when is this going to change or is this always going to be the case or, you know, that that uncertainty Actually brings a lot more stress to the clients than I think the the trainers realize and to have like a very clear, concise presentation And not be afraid of it and not to you know, sort of like convey that energy towards your client Is really helpful for the client because now it's like, okay, I'm on board. I have accountability You know, this is the expectation like everything's clearly laid out It just everything runs smoother as a result. Yeah, you know, the irony too, Eddie is that paying clients tend to be more consistent They tend to be more consistent and they tend to value what you're providing more than people Um, who are getting it for free if the reason why you're not charging If part of the reason you're not charging is because you're afraid to ask for money Or it feels weird to you then you definitely need to ask for money If the reason why you're not charging is because you just feel like you really want to be charitable And that's perfectly fine But if you're being honest with yourself, you don't have to answer here, but if you're like, uh Yeah, I'd like to ask for money, but it's kind of weird and I don't know how and whatever You definitely need to then don't let that stop you Because that's preventing you from being the best best trainer you could be for sure This is what in mind pump fitness coaching. This is what we're talking. This is the stuff This is what the conversations are centered around because this was so common This is what trainers get involved Most trainers get involved because they have a passion for helping others and that is what Got them to be a personal trainer what they find out when they get into it. They go, oh shit A lot of this is sales a lot more than I thought it was and that's the only part of the job They don't like and it's like that's okay We can get good at that like I I loved helping trainers like yourself because being passionate about helping people I can't instill that in you either are or not and if you already got that I can make you a good sales a good at sales because it's just effective communication So and that's really what we spend a lot of time talking about so how do you need to get your ass in there? Yeah, and our passion is to keep you guys in business You know keep you guys getting clients because we need people that care So that you know, it's a bit of a conundrum But yeah, we definitely that's that's our passion is to be able to help Provide tools for you guys to thrive in what you do Doug. Can you send him the replay? Okay, I'm gonna make sure we send you over the replay so you can watch all that stuff And then I want to see you inside that community if I don't I'm gonna come hunt you down in Germany But well, you got about six months and I'm gonna be in a new country, but I'll like I'll hit you up on Instagram Let you know so you can try to find me All right. All right, Eddie. Yeah, and it's uh Yeah, it's it's it's weird because I'm kind of at like a transitional point now Like like I said, I have the salary, but I'm also looking at retirement And when I retire from the service, I'm looking at a literal 50 pay cut Like I'll still have some money, but that's that that's a big pay cut. So, um, that's definitely where this is Yeah, exactly. Let's appreciate everything you guys do because it's In the last uh month or so you guys have definitely changed my perspective on a lot of things, especially with that that seminar Awesome. Good deal, man. All right, Eddie. We'll send that over to you. We'll we'll keep in touch. Excellent. All right, man Appreciate you guys. All right, brother. Keep on doing it. Thank you It's interesting how common that is uh among trainers, uh, and it's just really the the misconception that asking for money somehow means you're taking advantage of someone or Communicating in a way where the person wants to hire you is somehow taking it, you know advantage or manipulator. It's not If you it's like look at if you're a trainer It's like that lady that comes to you that wants to hire you and then says, yeah, but I can't make time for exercise I need to do this for my kids. I need to do this for my husband and you're like, listen You want to help your kids? You got to be fit and healthy Otherwise you can't help them if you want to help people as a trainer You got to be able to have a career doing this. Otherwise you're helping nobody. I just think that it's I mean, can you think of another profession Where there is this massive misconception on what the job entails meaning Nobody nobody thinks about personal training go like, oh, that's a sales job They don't like car sales. No one gets a job as a car salesman and go. Oh, what I got a cell Yeah, read like you don't you don't enter in a job like car sales and go Oh, I didn't know I was gonna have to sell cars It's almost as if they feel like they're just gonna get a job and then client. They'll just yes any handed client Well, what they think is uh, I think what or not what most people Assume is that if I'm just a really good trainer and I help people really well and I change their lives Which is what I'm passionate about and I want to do the clients will just come and unfortunately It doesn't work that way. There's a there is a massive component of sales that's involved in personal training And like you always say it's not just this it's not everyone thinks sales and they hear that word They get it's like it's just effective communication and you you have to sell your clients on your ideas You have to sell your clients on behavioral change. You have to sell your clients on They're constantly selling. Yeah, you're constantly selling. And so if you don't embrace That that is a massive part of being a personal trainer. You're going to struggle Look, if you don't care how good you are if you've listened to our podcast And we've communicated something to you that has made you change your behavior that sales because we sold it to you So we did it effectively. That's exactly what this is all about. It's not about podcast is a sales course It is us trying to sell people on why they need to make changes in their life And if you're a trainer, that's what you got to do. Yeah, our next caller is matt from utah matt. What's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, um, so this is kind of uh, I don't know question slash victory lap of sorts. So, um I said the question a while back. So okay for the last four years. I have been crazy consistent This is like sal levels of consistent Um, but and I've gone through the whole rgb. I've done symmetry. I didn't power lift But um, I always modified everything for at home versions even power left. I did it at home Made amazing progress. Yeah, I'm in my mid 40s right now Awesome strength gains even on power left at these hundred pound dumbbells each awesome great. Wow I just got a membership to a gym back in october Been a long time since i've gone, but I figured, you know, this will be fun started power lift and when I sent my question originally in like after that first phase I was making insane jumps talking like over 10 pounds on bench Including more reps and I'm like I am in my mid 40s. I have been crazy consistent. This is like Unheard of I'm like does a gym really make that much of a difference But then to add to it Um at the very beginning I did the electric impedance body fat thing, you know It's a fancy gym one where you hold the little things Um, and I just did it last week In looking at the numbers because I've been on a gain on you know, on a reverse diet I went from 190 to 200, you know feeling pretty good. This is pretty awesome. I'm about 511 um, I looked at the What is it the lean body mass And I had gained 15 pounds And I'm like, how does that make any sense? I've only gained 10 looked on down I lost five pounds of fat So here I am pushing up to like 3,500 calories, you know a mid 40s working a lot like crazy. Anyway, so Kind of answered my own question, but I'd love to hear your thoughts about how how the hell does a gym make that much of a difference Well, what what kind of equipment did you have at home and what's changed? Um at home, I have like I had a suspension a suspension trainer bands each dumbbell They're adjustable dumbbells, but they'd go up to 100 pounds each So by the end when I did power lift a year ago doing this It was like, you know 200 pounds, you know, like with the dumbbells I slowed down my reps even to try to make it even no bar no barbell. No barbell at home No barbell at all, bro. That's your answer. That's your answer right there. Yeah That's how that's how barbells huge. That's why that is okay We always tell and you're a perfect example of what we always talk about like you can make huge gains and build a great physique And build muscle and lose body fat getting great shape just with a set of dumbbells and working out at home But if you have the luxury of a gym and you have the ability to get a hold of a barbell and a squat rack I mean, there's a reason why those are the big lifts There's a reason why they're so valuable and you're a perfect example of even somebody who's already made all these gains For the last four years, but then introducing barbell lifts. Look at what's happened. Yep. No, I mean look For the average person who's working out a few days a week and Mrs. Workouts, you know here and there like you don't need to go crazy with equipment Someone like you who's super consistent something like that makes a huge difference I mean you're super consistent with dumbbells. You're following good programming our workouts And you haven't used barbells for four years Then you switch to be able to use barbells and maybe a couple machines or whatever Yeah, you're gonna see huge jumps. You also probably have some pretty good strength and muscle building genetics there Were you an athlete as a kid? Did you play sports? Um, I I mean I played a lot of soccer growing up Um, I was the first soccer player at my at my honky tonk school to do power lifting so um Part of this but I haven't really lifted since like my early 20s because You know, I just kept having random nagging injuries for a while But um, yeah, this has also been kind of chasing what I did last time You know back in you know back in the late 90s doing power lifting I'm trying to chase what the what my lifts were back then But also I'm doing it like without a belt. No knee wraps. No wraps. No nothing and asked to grasp on the squat So it's a different experience. Well, we just had a curiosity. What did you hit in the late 90s? And what are you doing now? Gosh, um, I mean I hit that thousand pound club. I was really pushing for um for uh for 1200 But I didn't quite get and this was in your late teens is my late teens. Oh, yeah, you're strong as fuck, bro That's that's a really hard. I mean getting up to close to 1200 total with the three lifts. That's a big That's a strong kid Yeah, I remember I was like when I basically stopped I was pushing like 275 for my bench But my shoulder gave out because I didn't do any shoulder workouts or any rows or anything I was just like dumb kid, you know Working out triceps like crazy until eventually my shoulder was like, ah screw you So yeah, no good job, dude I mean This is this is what can be done when things are all lined up and you're consistent And adding barbells makes a huge difference just because There's no individual balance on each side. Your cns can fire harder and now you could generate more force So this is why you take somebody's max barbell lift You can't just divide it in two and and create two dumbbells like if somebody could bench 400 pounds That does not mean they could do two 200 pound dumbbells probably means they could do two 130 pound dumbbells or something like that So the barbell definitely adds an element of being able to generate power and that's what you're experiencing To gain 15 pounds of lean body mass is phenomenal. Yeah, especially at your age and all the years too And it sounds like your metabolism is through the roof. So you're this is exactly what you want to be I I keep increasing calories and it just like I followed the method as well where I'd go for a good three weeks of a bulk and then one maintenance And then do three weeks and I last time I did this like it didn't go up nearly as fast Well, it's weird. It like it's almost like it plateaus. Yeah or start like right when I see it starting to plateau Then I do the maintenance and then immediately right after it shoots right back up. Isn't that great? It's almost like we know what we're saying Well, I do Oh, go ahead Justin. What are you saying? Oh, no, I just said that's weird, right? Well, I was gonna say I'm probably one of the only people who is legit Listened to every single episode So I started probably about four years ago and then actually went backwards and started re-listening to stuff Awesome. Well, you've you've earned your victory lap mat. Well, well done. Well done, sir. Good stuff Well, keep us posted as you continue to hit prs So I'm a feeling you're going to continue to see gains now that you're in the gym Dude, I'm doing I'm in the peak week right now So I'm I'm excited to see where it goes The crazy thing is is on the percentages because I'm Being very like, you know diligent to stick to the percentages. I know I can do more But I can feel it, but I'm like no be chill Just follow it. Good to see it. So I'm hoping next week. I should actually know what for real what what my max is Yeah, email in I'd love to hear where how it's going. He was posted. Yep. Awesome. This is great guys. Thanks, brother Well, that's great. He's made it on here twice like that. That's funny. I love we'll call you back You know we're feeling low. I love hearing that man. It's like, you know, and he's in his mid 40s Look, you can do tremendous things In your mid 40s 50s even 60s With just good consistency and focusing on the big rocks exercise diet Sleep and lifestyle and that's what he's doing. It's a great example too of like to because it Obviously, there's a lot of stuff out there. It's oh, you don't need to do these barbell lifts You know dead lifts and squatting is overrated and it's like dude There's here's an example of yeah, he built tremendous strength got in great shape with just a set of dumbbells at his house Which is is is perfect for somebody who doesn't have access to a gym They just want to be healthy and fit But if you're chasing prs and you're trying to build the most muscle you possibly can Having access to a barbell to be able to do those barbell lifts Make a huge it's such a huge difference I had a client who has trained at their house with just bands and dumbbells and then we Finally got a chance to go into the gym and like use barbells and it was like immediate like results Like it's it's crazy difference. It probably really served him to actually train as long as he did without it, right? Build good patterns. He did things like symmetry. He did all our foundational sets. He did all the right programs from home Got a nice solid base and then went in there with momentum deal. Yeah. Yeah, so obviously that's what's going on with it That's great. Our next caller is nina from canada. Hi nina We're here This is super exciting. I get to see like the whole place now. He only ever see it piece by piece How can I help you? Uh, okay, so this um, I submitted my question to you guys Few months ago before I bought my first ever bodybuilding show. Um, so it's since happened So maybe that'll make the question more interesting. I feel a bit sheepish because I I've been doing I've been a personal trainer for Like 12 15 years. I don't even know anymore and but bodybuilding was brand new to me. I'd never actually gone that far with it, so anyway, so here my question was um Having come through a deficit I was in a deficit for about three and a half months. I worked with a coach and I got down I lost 20 pounds. That was like my stage My stage weight was about 136 and I was I started at 155 And I was doubting myself of what to do post competition in terms of reverse dieting out of that What was a healthy weight regain because my coach had given me one answer which contradicted what I thought was right And I guess I wanted to put it to you guys like what would be a healthy rate of weight regain And how is it better to just ease in calories or just jump all of a sudden to back to normal And and go with that. Tell me what your coach said and what you thought Uh, so I can assess that and then also give me an idea of when you went into the diet Where you were calorie wise where you were when you actually hit stage calorie wise too Yeah, okay, so I started out at seven 1750 calories um, and then that went down to 1650 for about a month out And then I went down to about 15 50 Uh closer to stage. So it was like a few couple weeks out. Um, not too bad. Yeah, but did you okay? That's that's like actually not much movement at all. Did you do most you get create the caloric deficit through movement and cardio? Yes, so I did 15,000 steps a day. Um pretty much the whole time through and he only upped my cardio a few times it was actually quite mild it was uh Three started out with just a couple times a week of 30 minutes steady state and then he upped it to Closer to stage. He was a little bit nervous. So he upped it to five days a week 30 30 minutes steady state That's not bad at all. Not bad at all. I know, right? That's good Yeah, so I I went down pretty lean. I guess my my concern came from Uh, I had previously lost my period for nine years When when I first did when I first ever lost weight way back when And so I was nervous That would happen again And so after this the show he advised me to go up to 2,000 calories straight away And me being a woman. I was worried So I was a little bit nervous to jump that quickly. I had thought in my head Maybe I should just take it 100 calories at a time. So Um, I'll tell you what I did what I did was I ignored my coach stupid. Um, and I I climbed I was 17. I jumped back to 1700 For only a week and then I jumped it to 18 and then very quickly 19 and then I'm probably sitting at like 25 or 2600 now Um, I'm about four to five pounds up since then which is strange. Yeah, you're fine. You're fine. You're fine. Okay, okay Okay, great. All right. That's still though my period did disappear and it's been three months now going in a month four And I some people say that it can come back. It's just taking its time, but I'm Yeah, so okay, there's two things two things to consider when when reverse dieting one is what happens physiologically and then the other is what happens psychologically now the physiological Correct answer is what your coach said going up 500 calories was would have been fine at 1500 to 2000 Totally fine Psychologically though is what we always consider first because if going up 500 calories going to throw you into a spin I don't care. I'm gonna have you go slowly then. Okay Now as far as your your period is concerned, by the way, you're you're fine It's not like you did something terribly wrong by not jumping up 500. You're totally fine Okay, you want your your period to come back You got to keep reducing volume of your workouts and then upping your calories Bumping your calories up will probably do it by itself But what do your workouts look like now? Did you cut the cardio out like or you're doing this? What are your steps look like? Okay. Are you still 15,000? I well, I can I consumed a bunch of your podcasts around reverse dieting So to kind of see what others had done. So I yeah, I took off the cardio completely. Um, I still get between 12 to 15,000 steps only just because I'm in the habit of it and it's good for my brain But but um, but yeah, I took away any unnecessary cardio. I also listen to you guys Your advice on switching gears and training. So I opted for way more like just strength based I took out any supersets or anything even though I love that But I went kind of more to the power and I was trying to get my squad up, which you know, 245 But thanks you got a great physique, by the way, too. We're looking at your instagram. You've got a lot of muscle Yeah, thank you. My best game is my weighted pull-up I could tell you why I could tell you why you probably haven't got your period back Tell me your body fat still too low So regardless. Yeah, regardless of your calories regardless of your activity If your body fat percentage for women if their body fat percentage is too low Their body will often feel not safe enough to be fertile. Okay, so we got to get your you're still pretty lean Is this post show you think I don't know. Well, if you only gained four pounds from your show and I saw what your show picture looked Your body fat probably barely went up when was when was a show Show's november 12th. Oh, oh, yeah, you're lean. You're still really Some muscle, but yeah, no, you have a lot of muscles. Do you know what your body? You're just you're just lean like salcine. Yeah, and by the way You're it sounds like you have a decent coach too because the coach Giving you I because you had lost your period So typically if I cut somebody a lot of calories and then we're reversing out I would do like kind of this slow methodical adding calories back in reducing cardio and kind of watching making sure We don't if I had a client like you who had lost their period I'd actually want to put on body fat relatively quick and get her back to a healthy body fat range And so his advice was pretty spot-on for you of an increased count It's not that you did it wrong by the way either But the reason like sal is alluding to right now why you haven't got it back Still is this you just you still need to put body fat on. Yeah, you're still really lean Yeah, you could literally be you could be eating a lot of calories You could be really strong in the gym You could be feeling good, but if your body fat percentage is too low Then your body many times many women still won't get their period So it's literally you just got to have more body fat on your body Do you know what you're you're sitting at now what your body fat percentage is at now? I don't quite know. I mean, I've only kind of been going from like progress photos to kind of gauge And I bought myself calipers which uh, I'm still learning how to use So I'm not quite sure but Yeah, I would say most in my experience, you know fit and healthy women So, you know real healthy what typically I got to get their body fat percentage in the at least in the high teens before And I'm talking in a subcategory of women that would have issues With their period typically I've got to get their body fat percentage At least above 17 18 percent sometimes in the low 20s Which by the way, that's a great strength building body fat percentage for women is in that range like 18 to 22 percent Like you sit in there. You're still lean. You still look phenomenal But now your body has enough body fat for that estrogen and progesterone To do its thing So now the problem is if you've become addicted to the look of the muscle Strations and the abs and all that stuff psychologically could be really difficult But um, it'll be good for you It'll be good for you to get let your body fat climb up a little bit You know and for men men get away with leaner body fat percentages than women do without hormonal effects Now men still get hormonal effects If they get too lean But remember our bodies did not evolve to support life in the same way our bodies Evolved to support movement to support life You literally your body literally is like I don't have enough body fat to to heart to to you know host the child So you got to get it up a little bit. So this is like one of those cases where it's like, hey, let's get some Let's put some body fat on so I'd go on a bolt if I were you on another note Nina, I see you're also a coach too. Are you in our coaching program yet? I actually was at your yeah your initial announcement training as well. So it was very exciting Okay, good. Good. So you're in the for you in the forum then with all the trainers with us Thousand percent. I was like the most excited to be there Oh, yeah, cool. Yeah, you know what uh, let's talk about it in there I would love to follow your progress and this will be great too by the way because As a trainer, this is gonna, you know, you probably already, I mean you've been doing this for a while So you probably know what you're doing But when you do it with yourself, it makes you so much more effective With clients because you've experienced it yourself and you're in this like this is a great This is a great question because Oftentimes when women lose their period, it's a very easy answer. It's like, well, you're you're obviously You know working out way too much and you're not eating enough But like you're strong. You obviously have a lot of energy. You're eating a you know, okay amount of calories You came out of your contest. It's this is literally like, uh, hey, we got to put body fat on and you may run into clients like that Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean it's funny because I I mainly work with clients that go the other direction Like I'm more like I'm helping people with lifestyle habits and feeling better about themselves and just just getting um Kind of away from from overthinking calories and overthinking food So I don't know if I would ever train like a bodybuilder But that's I guess that's why I wanted to put it to you guys because this was such new territory for me And it's just funny how you can know the right things and yet still get caught up with like like I put my scale away Just in case it would cause me to because I I don't look at the scale or a tracking food tracker Unless I'm trying to cut so it's like this mental hurdle Putting it away. That's super great self-aware. You know, you might if I give you a shout out You're a train. You're one of our trainers. You mind if I give you a shout out on the show? Oh my god I'm gonna get all awkward, but sure Coach nema wilder on instagram and I we're looking dug scrolling through your instagram as we're talking and I'm seeing some clients Yeah, so it looks great. You got a great page too. So if you give her a follow if you're looking for some Good advice coach. Thank you so much guys. I respect you so much And it was between between you three and and lane nor and I think I just I consumed all of you guys Just to like get myself through This in the most healthy way possible because it's just it's not working to me anymore to kill yourself. Awesome Yeah, you do a great job. Go on a bulk Watch your strength go through the roof and it'll be great right on. I love eating. All right Excellent. Thanks, Nina. All right, Nina. We'll see you in the form. Thank you so much guys. I got it Bye That was great. Yeah, and you know, um, really, uh, a great job coach whoever coached. Yeah, dude I was expecting a rarity here. So I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait a second. You when she started at 17 I'm like, oh, yeah, you reduce your calories only basically 200 in the entire prep and got down shredded And you dropped 20 pounds. I'm like, uh, how did that happen? So but I mean, what a great example of putting yourself somewhere very like, uh In a good place metabolically before starting the show With the fact that she only had to cut a couple hundred calories. She didn't have to do Crazy, I mean show time. She was doing five days a week. She just did which is that's that's 30 minutes Yeah, I mean, even I was doing an hour of cardio every day the last week or two going into the show I mean that that's your final, you know cut and then you push the body for that week or two But leading up to that exactly how I managed it was just through steps Was increasing steps and movement every single week And uh, I love her motivation going into doing it, you know, even to kind of, you know, get perspective that way I think that's that's a great way to she's just super late still That's it for women It's like I've run into men by the way where they were doing everything right But they had to get fatter for the testosterone to go up. They're sitting at five percent body fat It's like you got to get up to nine eight nine percent at least before you start to see testosterone levels go up With women you're too lean your body oftentimes not always but oftentimes just won't let you have a period And to encourage her that by doing that it's only going to feel amazing. She's gonna feel better It's gonna balance out the hormones and if she's wanting to 45 Yeah, and even if you even if you put a little bit of fat on that initially I mean that you're in a place where that can in a week's time you can take it take it off I mean where she's at so good place. That's cool. Our next caller is matt from florida matt. What's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, what's up guys? How you doing? Pretty good. How are y'all good dude? All right, cool. So first of all like everybody that usually calls in I want to thank y'all for the podcast I found the podcast about A year and a half ago when I was first starting to getting into lifting So it's been very helpful very encouraging and then I genuinely enjoyed the beginning intros like just the the dudes talking and And joking around so thank you for the podcast overall um, thank you, man Like I said, I've been into fitness for about a year and a half and throughout listening to the podcast I'll talk a lot about sleep health And so I have a two-part question Oh, the first one is the first part is like I'm in the military and have constant shift changes So I can work eight to three one day and then the very next day I can work 11 at night to six in the morning Uh, or sometimes I have to go in early or stay late. So how do you manage? Uh, or how do you manage to get good quality sleep when you have a job that Panges shifts easily I think one of the things that's important that we recognize is someone in a situation like you or when you have a job That does this to you and there's like no way around that right? You're not the one who gets to dictate Uh, I get to work this day not work this day. And so we have to find ways to work around the schedule Managing the other stress in your life is going to be as important or more important meaning It's gonna it's almost impossible You aren't going to have the most optimal perfect sleep every night because of the schedule And so the mistake that a lot of people make is They okay, I can't fix that so they just chalk it up as fuck it whatever and then they go train and when they train They train really intense or they also are high volume And so what we need to do is learn how to modify your training based off of The sleep patterns that you have and try and know when to push the body like okay This was a better night's rest. I feel really good Now this is when I'm going to push the intensity of the workout. Oh, this is when I got the shift change now I'm on this now. I feel like I'm jet lag when this is not the day that I'm going to go crush it I'm going to do something that's more recuperative. And so when you train right now. Are you Doing your own programming or are you following one of our programs? I finished up maps anabolic a couple months ago and my unit has a strength coach embedded I'm doing a program with him for the next two months. And then I plan to do Another maps program afterwards. I'd like maps 15 for someone like you know, here's the best thing you can do Look, you're your sleep's gonna suck no matter what so the best thing we can do is mitigate the damage Okay, so an hour and a half to two hours before You can sleep You need to do an effective sleep routine No electronics blue light blocking glasses like really good ones that actually cover the top and the bottom So you might look like a dork, but whatever Wear those when you're outside and then this is where a low dose Extended release melatonin supplement may help Because you're not getting the melatonin release when your sleep is flipped every other day I would take it about an hour before bed and do the sleep routine just to Try to mitigate the damage as much as possible And then what adam said what the workouts is is the other thing and I wouldn't eat Two hours before going to bed. So that means you're gonna have to fast sometimes You want to basically prep your body as much as possible For scheduled sleep to make it as good as you possibly can that's the best you could do Okay, and that and we're gonna have I'm gonna have Doug send the map 15 to you And so I like maps and a ball like I don't think I don't think anybody has any qualms with that The thing that I think I like maps 15 even better for you Is that the small frequent dose it is it's it's broken up to just basically two exercises every time you work out And so someone like you where your sleep is constantly being disrupted Uh, the the level of stress that that workout is going to send in comparison to say an hour long Anabolic is is much lower dose But you're still going to get great gains from this building muscle because overall the total volume for the week is still good Are you able to like black out your room and uh kind of control your environment a little bit more on those days where it's like you know, you're you're working from What'd you say like 11 to 6 and and now you're trying to sleep You know during the day when it's all bright out Are you able to control that or like even like have headphones in I mean, this is where I'm like brain fm You know might be a move to to block out some noise and to kind of get you into a better REM sleep like I mean, there's there's things out there interventions out there to kind of incorporate and just to pile on kind of what So I was talking about the blue light blocking glasses and all those things So we have a few podcasts where we kind of mentioned some of those things. I would look into basically almost all those things Okay, yeah And I do I I'm able to block out. I have some pretty stellar block out curtains. Good sweet. Oh cool Yeah, it's just literally how can I maximize? Yeah, this scheduled sleep time and and make it work as good as possible That's that's what that's what you gotta think and we didn't we didn't talk about it, but uh Eating eating to take care of yourself and nourish yourself, right? So like someone like you not ideal to be in like a cut Trying to get ripped and shredded while you're also going through all this stress like make sure you're you're well fed High protein getting a good balanced diet. Uh, think like that, you know, so you're you're training to feed and take care of your body Uh, definitely don't want to be trying to do things like cutting calories while also doing all this. Yeah Okay All right, man, and I did have a second part But uh, it was answered it was how do you manage your day or workout routine? If you're constantly changing sleep and y'all hit a home run with that so really do appreciate it You got it man. Thanks for what you do man. Appreciate your service. Thank you matt. Hey, thank y'all. You got it You know for anybody listening right now Uh people whose sleep schedules change that often if you look at the data on it and it doesn't matter How healthy the rest of your life is it is a major risk factor for her disease cancer and everything that's how Hard of a stress it is on the body and I'm not trying to scare anybody. I'm just trying to make the case that When you're doing that You like if you want to mitigate the damage make everything else perfect and and really don't put too much stress on your body I think I think that's the mistake that people make here Sal is that It's like there's some there's things that you can control and there are things you can't control, right? And you get you gave them all great things to like control to try but at the end of the day It's just not optimal. It's just not ideal for the body at all So then what you need to understand is like now you got to become aware of all the other things in your life That cause stress to the body and you have to be very careful about how you do that now Again, you can't you don't want to add any more to the yeah So I think the biggest mistake I see people like this too Especially if you have probably discipline and you're a hardcore military Is it then you approach your workout with this like gotta kill it? I know I feel like shit I know I'm tired and you can see I gotta get it though still you know So it's like you got to learn to be able to you know manage the other stressors in your life Relative to what kind of sleep that you did or did not get the night before totally Look if you like the show head over to mind pump free.com Check out our free guides. 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