 see in the background and in the outskirts of Munich, Germany. And my co-host is mostly DeSoto Braun, hi DeSoto. Good day to you, Martin, and hello to Germany. Thank you very much. And let's jump right into the first slide and clarify a little bit what's going on, because the background we're seeing currently is a virtual one. The pictures we're showing on the images, we're showing on the first slide showing sort of the current condition, but a while ago and explaining a little bit of circumstances, what we see on that slide. Well, in the picture on the right is the view from Yarlanai at the Waikiki Grand Hotel, looking towards Kudio Beach. And Joey and Clara, your son and daughter-in-law were staying there after he returned to Germany and they were wishing they could go to the beach, but because of the COVID-19 lockdown, they were prevented from doing so by the Honolulu Police crew patrolling on the sand in their ATV vehicles. So all they could do, Joey and Clara, was look out longingly towards the ocean and back home in Berlin where they live and where they've now returned to. They're at La Naye and their apartment certainly isn't the Pacific because it's a river or it's a cold river and you don't want to swim in that unlike the appealing Pacific Ocean. And actually one of their most exciting trips before they had to fly back sort of last minute heading out was actually driving up to your place or behind mobiles or the U.S. economy heat press. Yes, that's right. And that was the most exciting last trip and then there were lockdowns on Yarlanai. Yes, that's right. So I joined Clara, all of Yarlanai is hanging in there. Yes. And let's go to the next slide because we want to look at pandemic production propositions and while on this one where obviously now I'm moving away, we can see two symbols. They're very symptomatic for what run our islands literally and figuratively and what are these? So looking out onto the ocean in the big picture, you can see two in the foreground, the smaller white boat is a tourist related activity that takes people out off the shore of Waikiki and in the far distance is a bigger military ship and those two vessels symbolize the foundations of our local economy. Number one being tourism and number two being military spending by the federal government and what we're facing right now is the complete shutdown and islands are now have the worst highest unemployment rate in the entire country of the 50 states. We have 37% unemployment because of the lack of tourism. So at the moment, our biggest source of income is going to come from the military. And that's most tragic and ironic because we used to have the most records in the other direction. We have the lowest unemployment rate about some 20% or something because then process right and walking figure is actually you said number one and number two, but they actually as far as their power economically tourism and military and we're actually pretty close to each other. So while they're all confirmed and we will continue to talk about our most obvious tourism today will shed a light on the other one, which is militarism. And maybe we come up with some interesting ideas that can potentially help at least our minds get away and out of the crisis for a little bit. The pictures at the top is also that we were both very shocked about well, many shocking things our president is doing. And one is directly towards our discipline and this is wanting to mandate. We're talking about the federal government, which the military is organized by is that he wanted to mandate federal buildings to be upclasses. We're saying this is silly idea as many of the ideas you have being being silly. Yeah, let's go to the next slide and and and think about that. We always like to get access to the subject matter. And not because it's about us, because we're not in our system. The president is that has encouraged you, the audience, to think about yourself and what access you have. So this case, we want to make you think about, you know, your family members relatives that have been in the military or are at the military. So what was I sharing with you regarding my access to that, which is pictured here. The picture in the upper left is your grandfather is your father's father. And he was killed during World War Two. Obviously in the German army, when he was on a ship that was a torpedoed or sunk, if you're in normal. So your grandfather, you're you never knew your grandfather, your father didn't remember his father because he was too little at the time he died. And right before right underneath that is a picture of the young Martin disbanked himself with the kooky haircut. And you and I were saying, how did you get away with having hair like that in the military? Because usually the first thing they do is shape up while you're there. But you were in the German military because you were drafted because there was a mandatory national service thing in effect on that. And then you have your full military experience, which then in turn had a part to do had something to do with the work that we're about to talk about the use that's been committed to the military after you were out of the army. Yeah. And there's there's Joey again, looking a little younger at the very bottom right. And I actually stayed, I actually, you know, at the time I asked who we had the draft when I was age 18. And that was 15 months was the time of service. And I added nine more months to make a little mini career of Lieutenant Reserve. While signing up, we were doing nothing more than being a defense army because we had screwed up pretty badly before that. So you guys weren't trusting us more than to do that. But in that short period, we were actually asked to join you guys, the United States and myself, and by the Americans, a couple of years as well, a couple of my German original nationality. And at that point, we're joining asked to join America playing world police. And I actually, at that point, wait a minute, that's not what we're signing up for. And I don't want to see you go to Iraq or Afghanistan wasn't the thing yet. But you know, soon later, and she said, why don't you question that? And we did it. And we were called in and must have made our case so convincingly that they basically said, this is it. This is it. You're done. You never have to come back. You know, Joey, of course, was the was the reason for that because she was worried. You know, if I would be sent out there, I don't come back until Joey has to grow up without a father, which unfortunately, my my father had to. And that's the reason because the the rules are that if your father has died in the war, that the son doesn't have to go. So it wouldn't be too much of a hardship for the mother who already lost a major male in her in her family. So all that being said, let's move on to the next slide, because what does it have to do with that? Some years later, we were actually asked by the federal government, and that's the one that Trump again wanted to mandate everything to be kind of style. We were asked to design a military diner in former East Germany, you know, some years after the reunification. And this is something that supposedly is top secret, but now I'm a pacifist, so I couldn't care less. And you kind of read that much out of that because that's like the base plan. It's like the camp. And it's just a lot of lines, a lot of infrastructure there. But we were we were asked to design a cafeteria for the military for the German women's wear. And the program is very prescribed, especially what they call the kitchen block where in all the kind of the dirty areas and the clean areas, everything is prescribed down to what you said, you know, the appliances and the softest and the refrigerated. So nothing to design. But what you can design is the dining is the dining hall. And the army pretty much order was you design a box where we can feed a war machine. And we immediately said, no, we don't do that because I have been in that club and this is about all the young men, you know, who have to be there and they have no choice. But it's already a very intense time for them that they're under pressure. And they're sort of a prison and have to do things that someone said. And it's about potentially, you know, about weddings and all these things. So we said, if anything, market picture has to help. And so I think they're going to make it the nicest restaurants that you could think of. And they were like, you're not doing that. I said, we're doing that because you showed us for whatever reason, which we actually really never found out. And I said, you know, you give us the budget, you give us the program, you give us the timing, we got to be within any of that. But the architecture let that be our problem. And so one, one sort of odd thing in this location, we thought it was great that actually you see why I put in the north area up there. So north is up. And to the south, there's a road that actually cuts a public road, a public access road that cuts through the basis. And we thought it would be great if not physically, but at least sort of from an atmospheric away when you're dining, you can, you can look out, you can see or imagine the road where your fiance is driving by. And so it gives you a little bit of that feeling of freedom. So let's go to the next slide and check out how that project could have played out and share with me your impressions about what we came up with. Well, what you pointed out was that the kitchen area was a given. You could do nothing with that. What you did do with the dining area, as you said, was turn it into what looks like a very elegant open space, which one whole wall is glass. You've got louvers that come down maybe about two thirds of that. So during the winter, this is a solar heat collector. And during the summer, when it's warmer, those louvers will help. You also were told in this room that there had to be a separate dining area for the officers. And you made a little enclosure or separate room for them. And then when this was actually built, they looked at it and said, well, we don't want to sit in this separate little room or the separate enclosure, which you can see in the picture there. We want to sit out where it's open and looks the nicest. And the other thing that turned out here was that you made this big empty space large enough to accommodate other events when they have parties or when they have holiday gatherings that other people are invited to, something that was added onto the basic performance. Yeah. And something that Jay has always keen on, and obviously that doesn't get compromised a lot in our early Corona scenario, but it's probably getting such a space. So we wanted the building to have a very specific appearance. So none at all hermetic and enclosed and defensive, but actually very open and very democratic, right? And as you also shared in the program, we not only more prepared to sit at that time, but we also want to sort of the democratize apology. And because I have been at the Willis Range, but I'm an officer, I've tried to tell them, I said, you don't want an expert room. You want to be with everyone in this great wide open space, at least on the road called this and this is obvious, you know, much to that. But they were stubborn and didn't want to listen. And then timing when it was done, they got it, why? Go to the next slide, because this is what you were recalling that the building is almost like Dr. Jekyll in the Bahá'í. The top picture is from the north, which is that kitchen block. And the more you come to the south, it basically opens up. We put a little reference picture there at the top left. And this goes to our friend, Ron Lindgren, who's going to be with us soon again to share with us more of his partner and friend's work that they did together. And it reminds us of that campus work right as far as prescribed materiality. Well, you were taught when you were given this job that the building that you were about to build, this cafeteria, was required to use this particular type of red brick that was already in use on this army base. And you said, we want to do something different and have the grout between the bricks also be clear. Their first reaction was, oh, no, we will not do that, because we just are free of the influence of Russia, which used to control East Germany. And they required everything to be painted red. We won't do it. And you had to do a mock-up of what it would look like in order to convince them that it wouldn't look like this. Russian red, but in fact, would be the building that you see here now, which does have a uniformly red facade. Which is illustrating what you already were talking about before, which is the environmental statement and sort of attitude of the building. You see that friction on the bulk ride to the sun angle at different times of the day of the year. And we're specifically calibrating the wooden louvres to let the sun in in the wintertime because we're talking tempered climates who majorly heat the building while the summer the sun would be kind of kept out. And that's something that, you know, you already said that one would wish that the military would approach more and in fact, the whole nation and we as a society, which unfortunately has the many thing that Trump's administration walked down. But some say, and I just heard an interview with them with a virologist who said Corona is still a relatively, you know, not a problem compared to the big climate crisis we're facing. That's right. And so we, we said rather than mandating a style, which is just about surface, maybe one should mandate substance. And for example, high energy efficiency in military buildings. Yeah. And as this building demonstrates, and we did ask just around the millennium, the turn of the millennium, and it wasn't prescribed yet. Soon later, the German government and, you know, German clients started to actually mandate and require. But this building is sort of a pioneer using a military term, as far as being post fossil and biochromatic, because it was doing that because we thought we need to do that and sort of, you know, the 21st century being the generation post fossil era. We worked the country pretty hard. As you were saying, not only, you know, was it pretty much, you know, a pacifist club and the military people, but it was also east and west Germany. So there was a lot of things clashing into each other, culturally and ideologically. So we wore them off pretty much after that. And let's go to the next slide. Surprise in you for us. Okay, before we go there, this is a picture here again about the wood movers that have been installed, fractionated. The picture is soon after it was completed. And, but the pictures on the right side, what, what, what didn't we talk about when we looked at them? Well, one of the things is that you can see that there's an article included there that says, France's timber mandate, because that means that the French government has mandated that government buildings or more buildings are going to have to use wood that can be locally sourced and is renewable. So the beauty of wood is that, as I said, it doesn't, you can grow more trees. So we don't run out of it. You don't cut them all down and then we don't have no trees anymore. So this is something that should be and is already happening in France that at least I think should be happening in the United States as well, much more of this a sense of the renewable things that we should be using. Yeah. And that was initially actually sent by our funding on the J5L. We said, how about that? And we said, yeah, if you mandate something, you better mandate something that that addresses a challenge in the 31st century and the potential rather than going retro and mandating a style which we shouldn't have anymore in these days. You mandate maybe a building material that has the potential to be the most ecological around. And so we like President Macron's over President Trump's mandating. Yep. And you also pointed out that you, your family name with along with this wine, which is illustrated in the upper right corner, which has the same name, a similar name as you do, you have a French connection. French connection. Yeah. Maybe we're ahead of the game and already sort of hearing what Macron was saying about two decades later, actually. Right. So let's go to the next slide. Although we were then miles actually about several years later, about seven years later, they came back to us to design another one of these military cafeterias in the same region, but still far enough away. And this is the impression again. It's once again, it's as our methodology is designing inside out. So it's not about the form, it's about the space. And here it's again connecting the people eating with the outdoors and the outside. And then the form, it sort of naturally takes on it the one we see above. But let's go to the next slide, which shows us a little bit about the context, which there was one. There was actually, this was almost on such land. There was a couple of former GDR concrete roads. And then there were some of these sort of buildings. There was some getting in the ground and were grown over by vegetation. So the bottom one is a study model that we typically made and thought we're going to sculpture the buildings out of the ground. And the next slide is talking about the making of it, which is always as important, equally important to us when we talk about the thinking of buildings. And what are the sort of issues we see here on that slide? Well, first of all, in the upper right corner, there's a picture of a particular type of fairly new, I think, concrete. And this concrete, which you see in the background of the picture behind you and your guest in your shows, has essentially air bubbles. It's like a sponge. And this air rated concrete is extremely useful because first of all, it's lighter. Second of all, it has insulating properties because all those air bubbles help keep the concrete from changing its aperture too much to get too hot or to get illustrated in the upper left corner because you had one of these during your time in the military. You were able to work on it and modify it in a military garage. And the thing about the so-called thing is that it was created as a military vehicle during World War II, and it lasted a 20th century later to be sold to the public in the 1970s and 80s. And one of its aspects is that it is really a basic type of construction. It uses this corrugated metal body, which is strength to the basic metal because it's got this formation stripped down. And it's very basic and it's very honest because of that design. So I think that's what you're alluding to. That's true. And the little picture basically shows hippies in there. So we're thinking that the drawings at the top left, we didn't do that. We found that. But we found it intriguing if someone can capture the notion of that car just with lines, with lots of lines, it once again supports what you were talking about, its essential nature. And that was a motivation, not to say inspiration, in a non-literal way to say make a building that is so simple and robust that just like the car, although it's made for something negative as to be made for war, it's meaning or have a double meaning by basically then become a symbol of freedom and democracy. Right. And you used this type of air-rated concrete. Did you not? Martin, are you there? Absolutely. I'm still there. Yeah. I just switch headphones. Sorry. Yeah. And the guy who looks like he's my guest, he was actually my host. This is our hero, our fellow host Howard Lee, with his one of the longest landing shows called Green. And so I call him Mr. Brazy Easy. And he was very intrigued by that in the trail. And we were talking in another show that the main, which our hope is with pre-stacked concrete from Great Pacific Rocking Mountain Precast up there in Kappel Lea in Campbell Industrial Park. That's Gampers, their president. One of the first things he asked me when I first met him about eight years ago when he heard I'm from Germany, he said, oh, do you know honestly if air-rated concrete, which is the technical term for the material we're talking about, that's again, we're thinking that I'm studying to introduce to the island because of its properties that we were talking about having an R value. So it keeps you cool while at the same time, the critters and the termites don't like it. Yeah, we need it right. Maybe advantageous for that one. Let's go to the next slide. We're almost at the end of the show, but we want to maybe close on this note here because we have done a couple of shows in the past that we're promoting, again, a post-pandemic proposition, which is actually taking you another interested people to where I'm from and where these buildings were basically built, and evidence-based design, life-like assessments, you know, analyze them and post-arcumenti evaluate them and maybe take home something of that. And again, maybe our sort of mission is now that while tourism is down, the military is still there. So maybe we can go and educate the military, work together with the military, sort of humanize the military, of course, have our graduates, you know, the work with them so that secures their jobs. But again, in the transformation and your hopes are high up and I want to make this the closing note you're saying when hopefully the era of the current president is concluding later in this year, what are you hoping for that this can plug into? What I am desperately hoping for, and I think it's very plausible, is that with the elimination of Donald Trump and many of the Republican enablers that he surrounded himself with, we will get a new outlook in government where not only will the bad things that he did be undone that he's done to the environment, but we'll also see the federal government, for example, mandating as you said in these European countries, instruction techniques and materials to make us less energy wasteful and to go in this new innovative direction and to innovate again, get us to where we are in a much better place for climate change and environmental destruction, et cetera. So we're not worrying about it. Lovely closing note that is getting our spirits high up, much appreciated. And we have to conclude here, we're going to elaborate a little more on the post-pandemic potential of militarism and then also tourism again in the volume two of this show. So until then, please stay very little militant and very humane and healthy human, right? And I'll see you guys next week.