 Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Monday youth in politics career and MCM is the day where we crush on our Gentleman and yes boy child as apparently we have been told in the previous interview with matter tool Yes boy child matters to my name is Valentine or at Calamity Valkyrie Busan if you're just joining us You can interact with us by the way if you didn't know at 554 Facebook Y254 channel on Twitter Y254 underscore channel on Instagram now, we just had a very interesting conversation or rather Stephanie I yet I had a very interesting conversation with a youth pastor and in case you missed it Don't worry. I think we can fix it But in the meantime right now we've entered the political phase of the day we'll be discussing the state of the nation everything from tax to religion and Apparently we have the former president who is spearheading peace talks with the eastern Congo Everything under the sun are you excited? Remember use the hashtag Y in the morning up before all of that Allow me to let my panelists introduce themselves. Good morning. Yes. Good morning Let me allow the lady to start. What is your good name? My name is Motheca Josephine a student leader the University of Nairobi. Yeah, you look so fresh and ready for the day Okay, thank you. How can you find your social media? Oh on Twitter at Nendou Motheca on Instagram Motheca 60 My name is Darren Hart Juma. I'm also a finalist student at the University of Nairobi I'm a council member to go to carry pollution Mm-hmm movement. I'm also the deputy country director cleanup Kenya Founder and director Darren Hart Foundation Yes, you have a lot going for you. I see and you're not even done yet. You're going to disturb these streets I say a future president they make you. Thank you. All right. Can we find your social media? Yes, Darren Hart J Twitter Darren Hart Darren Hart on Facebook and Instagram All right guys, I don't even know it start from there's so much going on in the country right now So that the first just page the first thing I see is fuel prices jumped by 12 shillings per liter in the budget plan I'm already tired safety warning as schools open, which is ridiculous to me Can we just talk about this in passing education CS puts head teachers on notice over quality of food and well-being of students Why be they being put of notice? Is it not? Common sense. Sorry to say are they not supposed to have standards hygiene and things like that in school? Why are we being told you should? thoughts Okay, I think The way things are working in our government. I think the main Objectives of what should be going on Some people are sleeping on their jobs It's like telling me to remember to put on clothes when you leave the house Yeah, so It's not it's not something to focus on they should focus on the real matters What do you think the real matters are the real matters are the content of our education system What is it bringing on the table when we are talking of the CBC? The content that our people are swallowing is very low and that's why you find questions like those That where she was before you go to school Go and draw a low-caste and the head of a cow when in other countries like China and the US a Two-year Chinese old knows how to operate a laptop and In our country the two-year old child Still wears the napkin and that is what translates those questions Let me ask you a question. Okay first. I understand the importance of hygiene is Being highlighted because of what happened to one of the schools is mukumu girls Which has just opened by the way, so I get it But this is not something we should be discussing should be basic but someone asked me or I watch someone who has I was having a dialogue with someone and We realized in places like Asia Japan China we have I'll give a shot to Malaysia They learn in their traditional language, you know, mathematics is taught in Bahasa Malayu Science is taught in Japanese Anything is this thought in their own language English is a language that they learn But say sick you lucky to make is one go to the only time I think we read our cultural language is when the Bible is translated Do we have a problem as Africans? Of course, we have a problem Yeah, no offense to say that I mean like The education like in in Kenya. It's not given priority I mean like they've changed like the way it was Before and the way it is right now. I mean like it's really affecting a lot of student and Also parents because they have to help their kids Especially the CDC. I mean like it's so difficult Like the parents like they they're busy with Their work their job. I mean they they really get time to help these kids. They have been told I don't know they got to make a Five-year-old is being told. I don't know to to to make a I mean like we are things And it becomes so difficult like for them. Yeah So we need to pull up a little bit Okay, now there are two main things that are making Kenyans have a type of feeling and one of them is Tax, but I want us to finish with that because that is chapter 12 of the Constitution So we're going to start with tap that I think it is for wait a minute. Yes chapter 4 which is Religion and freedom of worship, but let me give you the backstory. So For two or three weeks now There's been an uproar because of a situation in Shakahola. So yes that there's throwing of names We have Pastor McKenzie somewhere along the way. We had pastor Ezekiel also being mentioned but the gist of things is there There is or had there has come to light that there is a masquerade apparently now people are being quote-unquote brainwashed by a certain group of people or a certain church So the idea was at Iona first had a when they to direct come on go. I don't know I don't know what kind of doctrine that is but it affected people I mean, you know, I'm a little scared and there's someone who's believing I'm a very I'm a love of food So maybe ways in a part are up or kindly, but it shocked me to think that or to hear that it's not just What we're machinani it's people who are also educated people who are even going to the extent of selling their land Anacasi Nivo twin Danny bus and and going the full extent to starvation Yes, so phase two actually is happening tomorrow of the exhumation of the bodies and apparently they're about 112 graves that have still not been accessed so It's devastating So in comes the CS And yesterday he mentioned in passing that there may or may not be a bike He was leaning on the regulation on religious institutions. Now the question is will it infringe the freedom of worship? What do you think? Okay, I Think there is a problem in your country we all have access to the Bible and Anybody can read and access the Bible and if you see something that is not even in the Bible then it should be questioned So to me the church must be regulated in a way that We must have like a council that can oversee what is going on in the church These b-shops big churches they can come together Form a council that can oversee what is going on in the church so that to regulate such incidences But again, I'm I'm also questioning the security intelligence of the country in that this country is This to be uterly as in it has like a factory How we how we get the information from the top of the president down to the village? Yumbakumi leaders now the question comes How did the government or the director of Criminal injustice or maybe the DCI how did they fail to know that because we understand that in Kenya For you to bury anybody you need to have a permit When these people are dying and they were being buried Were they not given a permit? We have political leaders in that region What did they say because we all understand if somebody dies they normally call the MCA The chiefs the MPs then they know so there's also a question of the poor leadership in that area a failure of security systems and What I can say without fear of contradiction is the the director of the NIS and The boss of DCI, I think they should resign Wow, yes, and if they think that they should not resign because they didn't know then that's that makes it more reasonable Resign. Thank you. Wow. What do you think? Okay, personally like I feel like religion in Kenya has become a business because I just saw on social media before I came in that After a second we'll think he lost 20 million when he was arrested He just lost 20 million and another thing is like I feel like we as Kenyans I mean like we are beyond being told like I Want to pray for you so that you can get a car And I mean you can't get a car without working you have to you can't buy a land without working Like you have to work. So like I feel as Kenyans. We are also like failing ourselves. Yeah See now what is amusing me is now this story is has a span of 20 or so years So yesterday Pastor McKenzie's son think 21 came out and said past the executive Sorry, sorry past the executive son came out and said ah in fact my father on 2015 apple At all he come at you Mary. He was a farmer Part of these things you are saying that you all should be people have been barred to do yeah, so Do you think that the plot is just thickening nice just becoming entertainment or what what do you think is going on here? I? think People should be put to books and they should answer When right now in Kenya we have churches. We can't even mention their names. You see like now this one of a Ezekiel McKenzie one I think there is a problem everybody wakes up because we have a freedom of worship and we know in our constitution I think chapter 2. Wait, let me read it for you, sir Chapter 4 actually I hope that to freedom of conscious religion belief and opinion every person has the right to freedom of conscious Religion thought belief and opinion every person has the right either individually or in communion with others in public or in private to manifest any religion or belief through worship Practice teaching or observance including observance of a day of worship a person may not be denied access to any institution employment or facility or the enjoyment of any Right because of the person's belief or religion correct And that is also one problem that gives Kenyans that they can just wake up They say I was called by God the spirit the Holy Spirit I'm now a pastor and they start their own cult or something that is not even be biblical And that's why I was saying we need to have a council that oversees in the US For you to have a gun they allow but they do a background check some questions That's a bad example because they have so many shootings all the time. Yes. Now the question will be those background checks are meant to limit Who is to be given a gun? Now those background checks when we have them here for these people call themselves men of God pastors I don't know prophet These background checks is not to put away the church, but it's just to check Is this person does this person qualifies does he preach? Is he preaching the word of God from the Bible or is he using something that is not known like the Mackenzie one? So we need to have this council that oversees remember in the constitution chapter 2. I think it has given that freedom of worship yes, but now There is no state religion for example people are saying Mackenzie was seen in the in the state house The other time we saw that the altar is being erected in the in the state house You see such like things if Mackenzie was there How sure are you that he will not even in French or maybe affect the speaker of the National Assembly or the next even the president? So that we can have even the laws that will guide them to bring that religion here We will all die so nobody is is safe even us So we are not safe So what we need is to regulate these people Through a council of religious leaders, maybe Catholic Church Anglican and other churches so that this board They all know the Bible. They are preaching the Bible. So if you come with something that Is making people to die it will be question But nobody let nobody just wake up in the morning start preaching their own beliefs And it's killing us. Yeah, so that is my my take. What is your take? Assume sorry, just let me twist it a bit assuming. It's not as extreme as the situation where It's leading to malnutrition suffocating of children, which hey No, but do by the way, but if it's not that extreme, do you think that? The church should remain independent I Feel like it shouldn't Because I like they should be guided they should be guided in a way because if they're not guided They're going to go out of their ways. Yeah, and still go back to the way it was So I feel like they should be guided. Who is I know you you stated a structure of different Denominations even the nature like me touch. Yes, but to faulty denominations of churches that's so becomes forth and bring a council Does that mean now come election time? The next person buying for president or vice-president You push your heart and they're gonna sell off what to be game a goatee and and all these things So are we are we still going to marry politics with the church or are they going now? We're going to finally serve at that time. What's going to happen? You know now politics and church go hand in hand because we all know that the president now He rose to power through church Yeah, visiting the church and you sing recently is going to mosques. Maybe he's planning for 2027 and now When these people have numbers me as a politician, I want to buy right there is this church that has 3,000 people There is this Moueshimi or pastor when you visit them You will have to support what they do because he will tell the congregation not to vote for you because you don't believe in that So politicians like camouflage they say I'll even build this church to entice the man of God By the man of God big cup of tea and coffee so that this man of God will tell the congregate the congregation vote for this person is ours, so there is a Disconnect between there is a connection between politics and the church and there should be a disconnect because if I don't believe If I don't come to this church, you should not judge me on the basis of how I'm coming and building your church Judge me on my values of integrity as a leader. So that is a problem also. We need to question Yes, there's no place sacred could add using me in the western Matanga, you don't go okay. First of all, it was a bit of a culture shock for me to see just where Must end at this comatanga and I still fit some type of way about that, but that's not a hill there So Nkanda a lot for Nkanda suddenly from nowhere And then Okay, I think yes, bereavement bereavement. Sorry. Sorry prayers prayers And then suddenly he starts talking about manda Manu at the time. It was a few weeks ago It's nowhere sacred like at ways it will cut to mahal you quit to politician to lead to you must Must must must bring up the agenda Do you think there's a that is okay me like yes something to say, but you talk to me first before I cut it down Okay I feel like we always like bring our political issues on the wrong places or the wrong platforms I mean like you can't go to a Matanga people are mourning and you start talking about Politics and manda Manu. I mean like you're not Like you're not What do I say like a woman is in our to you are here for your personal reasons But I did say there are numbers there You're not supposed to bring Barrel let it be a barrel Political To add to what she has said You know these things comes with money the influence of money Kenyans most of them are unemployed a Bigger larger percentage are the youths and so when these people come to these numbers Then the politicians they work with money with them And so whatever he wants he can get away with even at the funeral That is a problem that Kenyans need to address not the leaders They should go to church and address like any other person if you are an MP or maybe a president or let's say not president but governor or Top leadership position when you go to church the church itself Should wake up and have a structure or believes that this is just a congregant like any other person When they come to church most of the time they are taken to sit in the in front And they are put in the program You just see And me as a politician, of course, I'll speak my interest then I'll say He's only what I've bought you so that when you vote me I'll go to eat I'll not return any percentage. I'll just bring peanuts to you So it's the church and the people to not give these people platform to speak politics Yes, you are a leader of these people but speak those you don't have to come to the funeral to speak about leadership or church Let's say this this problem has been championed largely by a member of parliament and MCS They should come to town hall meetings to be answerable for the people not in the church or Mosque or maybe And here I give the most the Muslims At least a thumbs up because they can't bring up your laws. If you go to watch it with them They will follow Yeah, they are their programmer for men that could swallowing and here but now our church is Which anybody can start even today me and you we can start at a church I'm called Reverend Darren Juma Prophetess Then we start collecting going to the media and sending the pay bill Throughout the session of the preaching. Yeah, that's not how it should be Church must be church Finrum must be finrum A leader must be a leader go back to your people talk to them Maybe in a town hall meeting or maybe open air somewhere Where people can ask you questions and you can tell them what you want and don't bribe them That is where we fail as a country and I want to direct all that passion to two very very recent cases So we have one side professor Kittore Kittiki Told the azimio leader not to politicize And on the other side we have the azimio leader Telling the deputy president not to politicize because the dead and kimati's wife Just recently passed away at the age of 101 So we have the azimio leader telling the deputy president gathika shagwa not to politicize that So is this games we are playing or what's happening? These are just what we're talking about But very very On the nose yeah on the nose type of examples So are you still feeling the same way when it was just out there open in the air or another to have given you specifically You know that and can continue talking for days. So let's keep in the conversation Okay for me like I feel like we're facing a lot as a country and The things like that our leaders are showing out here like they're not important They're not helping the citizens. We are going a lot of we are going through economical crises In securities There's a lot that is going on. So I feel like they should focus on the most important thing And that is if it was again as it was IDCC Yes now I can say there is a those are sideshows The shaka hola massacre Has happened. We should not even be talking about how many people have been recovered What we should consider is How to avoid the next massacre From ziji prophet wawabi Yeah, so those are the things they should be discussed not don't politicize They should be put this law here remove this here so that we avoid The next massacre of shaka hola Yeah I was not going to talk about it, but you just mentioned insecurity. There was a story about um A robbery and what just is blew my mind away is because this robbery was caught on cctv Summer in marigold and apparently they're going to rob shops supermarkets patrol stations and apparently five Institutions have been hit Zico nazi cctv and we still don't know it is Hmm The the cs is Is sleeping on his job You know julia skedago the police command of barringo county came in and said we've identified at least one person via cctv And we're trying to do something about it, but if they see cctv, what is the point of? cctv Are we still face in this country? I mean, okay, so we put cctv so that we can see In real time what's happening on the ground? There are places that legit don't have any type of you know coverage But this is cctv and we can see what's going on In fact, we can see these people armed with with guns and all these things and we still don't know who they are And it's not the first hit. It's not the second hit. I don't even think by the time tunanda like a player I don't think it will pass another day. They won't hit again. What's going on? Are we not taking it seriously? What I can say is are we lacking? What I can say is our country has one of the best Security systems in place in eastern central africa And that's why we are ranked top five in terms of security and intelligence. It's not showing And so it's not showing because of uh, I can say corruption or compromise of leaders in the In the in the in that area because there is no way they did know about Or maybe they even don't know these people but now they have been bright In countries like, uh, japan when uh A minister is maybe linked to draft Them themselves resign Because they have fallen when maybe there is a the the derived The derived Maybe train and some people have died the minister for transport They can even hang themselves But that one in our country The cs interior so many things are happening. The bandit the whatever I think he should resign is not competent for the job We can't be hearing about bandits. He just got into office. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter Don't you see even police taking bribe when you're coming through amatatu every day? I see that it should be happening No, we can build it. So how many days do we need? Ah talk to me. Are you in the same culture that is killing us? Women still will continue living in poverty economic crisis Fuel fuel prices going up and crying every day and employment to the youth because What we are losing in terms of negligence in positions of power And what we are losing in terms of corruption is much more than what we need to do or to get into economic growth Yes Okay, I feel like our leaders are incompetent in a way Because you can't tell me your your place will corner some of the acctv's and people are bent in on camera And there's like they don't follow up like in aisha to evo even the Investigations. Yeah, but the nation to evil. It's aisha come on the the young man who died Yeah, the jeffa. So it's just elisha Competence it is just a deliberate design to do that In this country, Kenya, we have leaders. We know that they have short people and they are still in power enjoying the exchequer's money What is the dci doing when people are alleged to have stolen a cow or maybe a chicken They're languishing in in jail and even roman That is the problem of this country if you have the money and influence you can go through your way and do it Whatever you want, but you cannot be questioned. So the thing should be Even these political elites who have the money or what they should be accountable You've heard about the graphs we have we've heard before billions of money, but have you ever seen any leader being prosecuted Who have the the positions of power? They are just like it's like A video show like an expose All today we have braided in somebody's house Tomorrow they are there. They have given they have been given a bond. They are out with billions of money when somebody who stole 10 000 5000 They are behaving the system is behaving to be serious that they have arrested them. They're in jail to 10 000 But what about the 10 billion? What's about the 100 billion? That is the problem and the question to ask Okay, Darren's very passionate remarks remind me to remind you that these Remarks are not a reflection of the channel kindly. They're personal And I want us to move on. We've just been talking about religion and politics and the possible regulation of worship or places of worship in the country and let's go to something that is Invading our pockets. Yes. So we have the public sector that has been an uproar Especially this week. So we have unions coming out and saying they want parliament to reject the tax bill that government Should instead take the bargaining agreements for example with doctors more to heart so instead of you know Focusing on this particular tax bill that's been tabled. We should now revert back to The things that we were supposed to have been doing paying our doctors paying other health workers paying, you know county County government officials. What is your take on that? Darren wait That we don't see where it goes like we don't see like roads being built Or any infrastructures hospitals So I was like my question is like where does that money go? Yeah, like we have to be worried like As much as when I say but they want to increase the tax they should show us like where is that money going to Where is that money being directed to like we need to know? Yeah All right, before you continue apparently I do not know how time has flown. Gosh Time needs to stop running away like that. So we have figures that coming up like 3% salary 3% deduction of salaried employees for housing And then these are people earning less than 50,000 who are mostly in and up. Okay, not just these people But yes, these were highlighted. We have nsf moving from 200 shillings to 540 in terms of deductions And then we have nsf housing levy power costs just all over the place But now we have also the flip side for the low income earner or the has no salary Tumrita hasla doesn't have an actual salary But is making money or is self-employed. So these Numbers for them are reducing. So for example nsf was 500 Now there's 300 shillings. Is there a balance in what's going on here? Should the salary to work a complaint or should they just say this hour because I have a salary and What's going on basically? Okay, what I can say about that is uh There's no country that grows without taxes And this country produces a billion plus shillings in 24 hours in terms of court fines In terms of land rates and even taxes That is what builds a country The employees are crying because Our tax bracket is at 30% similar with canada similar with norway but The rate at which we are growing We are not seeing the 30% where it's going, but we know where it's going. It's going to graph Yeah, so it makes me feel like yes that balance of Uh, those people who are who are earning 50 000 and above and below that is a good balance But yet the economy is at stake even that 50 000 you are getting or maybe 60 000 you are getting Is not helping you projects are not going on. There's no employment This project was started. It's not now being completed. We are starting this one so that we can We can go away with corruption Those are the problems we need to ask to to to ask but paying tax It's okay. That is what builds a country. But where is the safety of those taxes? That is the question to ask So many questions would you like to say something before we close it up? So many questions so little time I really wish if we had more time to talk about this taxing because it is I told you The people daily and the first thing I see is fuel prices to raise rise by 12 shillings 12 shillings Anyway, at least our president At least at 254 facebook, 254 channel on twitter, why 254 underscore channel on the gram Hashtag other days were in the morning now you do not go away because uncle sakwa is coming up with more