 something that displayed at that point in the advertisement. So our request this year on behalf of award is to display the banner 30 days after we get approval to display it sometime this week at every day. And then display it sometime in May or June based upon the, you know. Can you repeat? Yeah, I have stuff open. 30 days, can you repeat? I had a phone call, so I was just kidding. Okay, perfect. So it's like 30 days and this starting this week through the month of October, if the board approves that we can display the banner. We would like also request tonight to display it in either May or June based on the availability of the numbers, the number of slots depending on how the community is open. There's a lot of attendance. Like right now there's one of them, you know. And then we would like to display it maybe September or October again, you know, next fall again, so probably just one request in the next three months. We need to do May or May not. We'll sort that out at that point to display it again. So that's where across the group I'd like to do because it would only be for 30 days and we'd have to take it down after that because unless we know the communities of it up again, there's a lot more events to the things being displayed. Mike, are you still with us? There's a corn seeding on. Mike, are you still on the meeting? Yes, I am. The audio is very low. Well, have you heard the discussion so far? I have heard the discussion. OK. All right, any questions or any questions, comments? We don't have to. If we approved it would be more or less like a special use versus like having to change the actual written policy because it's not advertising an event, which is what the policy is, but we could just do like a special use, potentially. Yes, you could briefly have this discussion. I think maybe when we were doing some of the training that concerns that was expressed in the past about allowing groups like work to come in and ask to apply a banner, is that you're allowing that banner to be flown. You're allowing that organization to use a municipal space property, if you will, to promote an idea that they believe in. And the concern I have is, what if it's a slogan or an organization that the county does not feel is appropriate? So if you let work fly the banner, I'm not suggesting we don't. I think there's another way to make you do it, is that I would suggest that this protocol is for banners that promote events. You're going to have the Rotary Club, not quite Independence Day. They apply the banner two weeks before the event. The event comes down. They've got to take the panel three days afterwards. And that's it. It's an advertisement that you're allowing the public space to use more. But with these types of things that Doug and Warka are requesting tonight, and we don't have a policy yet, but I think you could get around that. I think it would be better if you said the town wants to fly this banner and make this statement. And then it's the town's statement. So Black Lives Matter, the town of Waterloo believes that. And then if another organization comes in and says, we want you to fly our banner, the town can say, well, we weren't flying Wark's Black Lives Matter banner. We were just flying a Black Lives Matter banner because that's what the town believes. It's the town's speech in that case. I think if you allow organizations to put up banners to promote their interests, then you have to allow every organization to do that. And there may be plenty of organizations out there that you don't want to be putting their speech up. So what exactly does the banner say, Wark? It says, I remember correctly, Waterloo's Black Lives Matter. Something there is small. Which does say Waterbury. It doesn't say the name of your organization. It doesn't say Waterbury. It says Waterbury, not. So when you say the town, that's kind of a broad brush statement. What exactly does that mean when you make the statement the town, the residents of the town? The same thing when you enter into MOU with revitalizing Waterbury. Whereas the town of Waterbury and revitalizing Waterbury. You are the town of Waterbury. You're the elected representative of the town of Waterbury. And you can make a contract and you can decide this is something that we believe. I'm not saying we have to do it. I'm just cautioning you against that if you allow this organization to put its banner up in a month. Another organization that may be very different, that you don't have the same feelings for. And may have an opinion about something that you don't want to point out. Well, I think, like you said, we don't have to do one or the other. Like we get to go and decide on the board. So show it. You should do what we did the last time, which is to put it up for. So should another organization or should another banner come where the elected representatives we get to vote and we get to say no. So I think that slip or slip argument doesn't have to apply. That's our job to vote and make those decisions. So that said, I think that I mean, I'm in favor. I think I'm interested to hear whether the 30 day feels like a good time period or if you want to maybe move to the two weeks keeping in function with the other banners that we put up. I'm open for either. I personally think that as a town or as a representative of a town, I would love to see the banner up and that we believe that Black Lives Matter. We've heard a lot of positive impact that's made on the safety, well-being, and feeling of welcome and on those who come here to work here and live here. So I see a large positive impact. So is that I guess one of my questions was going to be what are the goals and objectives of this banner? She may have defined some of it, but how does it represent other people of minority or other people period? And I'm wondering if we're starting to walk down a slippery slope. It is a political issue, in my opinion. And quite honestly, the taxpayers' dollars go towards operating the municipality and taking care of the municipality's business. I don't believe it's the business of the municipality to get into social issues. I think we need to stay in our lane and not veer off into other lanes because of what you just talked about, is there what type of liability issues are we essentially setting ourselves up for, showing preference to some when, I mean, what it brings to mind to me is town meeting day. When we have town meeting day, it's the day for people of this town in this, you know, when you reference town meeting day, it's an opportunity for all the people of the town to come into the gym down there, speak their mind through voting, and when they go in to get their names checked off at the voting checklist, there's no vetting of what minority you are, what religion you are, what political affiliation you're holding. You get to freely vote based on what's on the political voting sheet. But you're not turned away at the door because of any other reason than any other reason. You're not turned away because of your minority. You're not turned away because of your religious belief. And I think that it gives me the truth that we're treating everybody equal, where everybody gets to speak their peace through the voting process without scrutiny. And I just think that the municipality needs to stay in its own lane on this and work towards the betterment of everybody without showing preference to anybody. I mean, we had a mission statement that Moroni brought to the table that we all adopted as a town. And maybe that ought to be read right now to refresh our memory what it was about. Everybody in this town is treated equally. And as I said before, I just worry about repercussions of favoritism towards one group or another. It really upsets me that we even have to walk this path. Because when you say repercussions, can you clarify what you mean, like the legal repercussions? So I'm not sure what you mean. Yeah, hang on a minute. Yes, I'm Moroni and Mike that wants to speak. Sure. Yeah. I don't know how I want to say this. But there's been a couple of instances that came to light to me here just recently. I heard one through a great line that really disturbed me. And so I called the gentleman up to find out the truth from the horse's mouth. He's a white male, blue collar worker, actually works in factories cleaning boilers and soot and HVA systems. And it's a nasty grubby job. He's done it for a lot of years. He told me over the phone, not to my face, but over the phone because I call him because I really wanted the truth. He went outside of the factory that he was working at and walked down the road to take a break from what he was doing because it's sweaty, nasty, whatever. Just stretches his legs a little bit. This black gentleman come around the corner and started screaming at him, calling him racist. The top of his lungs got right in his face. You effin' racist. Just was persistent. The guy said the hair was standing on the back of my neck. I didn't know what to do. All I said was I'm not a racist and I just kept walking. He said he got right in my face. He was pretty upset with me about it when he was talking to me. And I just thought to myself, what would possibly bring this on? You know? So then I, so that's number one. Number two, I watched. How about the teeth? Let me just finish these ideas here. I got my head. So I watched Channel 3 news the other day. They were talking about Hispanic Heritage Month. They were interviewing some kids down to college. One of the college boys, Hispanic college boys was talking to the reporter and he said, you know, it's really nice to be down here where I'm amongst people like me. Now, can you imagine what would have happened if I had to set that? They would have crucified me. Well, that's my not, I don't think that this is a crime. So I'm trying to get to a point here, Dana. I'm trying to get to a point here. All right. So then in Essex, Essex allowed the school system down there to fly the block that was not assigned. You must have seen it. I believe it was the first night it was up, it was cut down and stolen, okay? The American flight was left there in the dirt. When they were talking about the issue at good place, they said that it's possible that the Black Lives Matter sign banner flag being stolen could be considered a hate crime. I said to myself, what about the American flight that's laying in the dirt? That doesn't represent anybody. You know, for me, when you cross the border into this country, you're not a hybrid American, you're an American period. There's no, you know, ethnicity. My heritage comes from Canada, but I'm an American, plain and simple. That's the way I view it. And for me, it's like I'm almost getting tired of this double standard. That's crucifying certain people for believing one thing, but yet other people can act out in such hatred. I mean, you and I and Mike and the other board members, we must have learned something behind closed doors. When are we gonna erase all this issue of who's different than who, and just treat people the way they need to be treated? Fair and square. I think that's the end goal, but I think we have work to do to get there and erasing it and not talking about it as elected officials in the town and don't think it's the way to go about it. I don't know about other people. Leigh Ann? Yeah, so I'd like to know about that separation, right, out loud. Did you guys adopt it? I want to know about it, if you don't have it, I have it. So I, Bill, could you read it? Great, we'll watch with you. I got it, I got it, thanks. We can read it back. Do you have it? Not with me. Do you have it? I do. Okay, first question. Town of Waterbury, Declaration of Inclusion. Waterbury condemns racism and welcomes all people regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, gender identity, or expression, age, or disability and will protect these classes to the fullest extent of the law. As a town, we formally condemn discrimination in all of its forms, permit to bear and equal treatment of everyone in our community. Waterbury has and will continue to be a place where individuals can live freely and express their opinion. So I just had an epiphany while you were reading that. There's your banner, Maroney, right there. That's what it really needs to say. That's absolutely what it means to say it. Yeah, yeah. Well, it wasn't Maroney's request. It was Don's request. Well, I'm just, you guys are pointing it on it. Check up there, they had a lot of strange... I mean, how do you feel about that, Maroney? Would that... And I'm... Chris, I am so happy. I'm really thankful that you give me the opportunity to actually respond because I've been dying here to respond and... Oh boy, Chris. Every time you get on a mic, I feel so sorry for you. I feel like you're getting yourself in more and more trouble, man. You need to get a communication director. I gotta set that straight up. You're sitting here talking about Black Lives Matter is a political statement. I'm sorry, how many times do we have to go over this again? Black Lives Matter is an international society movement. It was formed in the United States in 2013, dedicated to fighting racism and anti-Black violence, especially in the form of policy brutality, police brutality. And I've explained this again when I introduced the idea of putting up the banner. The name of Black Lives Matter actually signals the condemnation of unjust killings of Black people by police. Black people are far more likely to be killed by police in the United States than white people and any other marginalized community. By the way, I'm sorry if you feel like saying Black Lives Matter actually demonize or marginalize other community, but no, actually other minority groups believe and understand what the term Black Lives Matter stands for. And they are behind and with us on this issue. So, and I also wanna say this, Chris, to you personally, I'm so sorry and it feels so sad to me that you keep making this so personal between me and you. You have a reference to my name and here three times. I am not one of our anti-racist coalition. This is a group of people. We have 300 members. Okay, so please stop making this about me and you. I introduced a statement and every select board member adopted it and told me that they were gonna vote on it. Unless you, unlike you, you wanted to make it between me and you, you wanted me to come to your shop and talk about it. I wanted to try to find you on this intro ground between you and I. You called on my name. I'm sorry. I'm reading you the phone up. The select board actually voted to adopt the statement. So please stop making it about me. And when you talk about the banner, you, as a select board, you are the body making decision for the town. Now, if you want me to go get the petition to get members of the town to say yes, they're standing with the Waterborough movement, I will do that, but you need to understand your responsibility as a select board. You make decision on behalf of the town and we came to you and you said yes, we could put that banner up. So it's a very offense to me sitting here and listen to you saying, oh, that does not represent the town. But you, as a bunch of just few members make the decision on behalf of the town. That's why we came to you. And so please, Chris, last time, stop making this about me and you. I have no problem with you. As you claim yourself to be a juicer construction man, you have served this town. Stop making this about me and you, okay? Sounds like there's some misconception here. So we'll stop this and allow Mike Bard to weigh in on this. Thank you, Mike. I'm just glad I could respond on record because I'm sick of you. I think that's, yeah, I'm gonna stop it here. Go ahead, Mike. Okay, I just wanna first preface that one, I'm supportive of the Black Lives Matter movement. Black people, people of color, a lot of minorities have been, there's been a lot of mistreatment over history. That's totally undeniable. But the question before us, I think is a little bit more direct and I wanna talk to that. I thought Bill Sheplick's memo to the board was quite right on the point. I'm really concerned that if we start every movement, I think it's good that we allow certain banners to go up for a certain period of time to promote events. I think that's great. If there's Hispanic Heritage Month, Black History Month, I think it's great that we would fly a banner to promote those things. But I think the slippery slope is, as I think it's been said, is that I think if we start taking political statements as a board and as a community, I think that puts us into question. This is before us, but what happens if a group of white supremacists came before us and asked us to fly something? I think there would be a big uproar if we even considered to do that. So that's why I think if we'd be better off, I like the existing policy to allow certain banners to be flown. But again, I don't think it's something that the town should be totally representing. I think we have represented and I'm proud of our declaration of inclusion. I think we all wanna live by those standards. I think it's important. I, Moroni, I love what you're standing for, but I do think, I hate seeing more and more divisions in our community and that's what I'm concerned about. So that's why I'm a little bit hesitant, as Bill said in his memo, to have changed the policy that we have to allow banners to fly on special events and stuff like that. But as to have a long-term banner flying, I think it's probably not the best thing for us to do as a voting body. Like a couple points of clarification. Bill's recommendation was not that we change the policy, but that we fly the banner out of town. So we would not need to change the policy. Right, right. Second, comparing the ask of raising a white supremacist banner and a Black Lives Matter banner is a false dichotomy and it's not the same. And third, we also take saying that if we fly one, we have to fly another, takes away our power as a board. We have a voice, we have voting power, we have this discussion, we also get that input from the town. I would recommend that if that's your position, and I understand it, but what I was suggesting, this protocol that we have is for advanced bans. That's what it speaks to, advanced. So, you know, the Rotary Club, pie for breakfast. I'm super quick there. I just meant that we don't want to change the policy vote on this, yeah. I believe that if you allow a group to make a statement, Meroi says this isn't a political statement, but it is a statement that an organization or wants to state on municipal property. If you allow them to make that statement, I believe you have to allow every organization to make their statement. Well, I repeated what you said, which is why we would make that statement as a town, not the organization, right? You have to vote, just vote on decisions. And Ashley, you have the power to vote. You can vote on a Black Lives Matter banner, just like you would vote on a white supremacist banner. Just do it and let the voters know where you stand. You have the power to do it. Just do it. We're not saying don't accept one or the other. This is the opportunity to know to let the public know where you stand. Are you actually gonna accept the Black Lives Matter banner and the white supremacist? Because you have the power to do that. And if you just vote and let the voters know where you stand. Maroney, please don't interrupt, okay? I was still speaking. He does it again. I was still speaking. I think you ought to get a legal opinion before you decide to allow this organization to put up their speech and if you want to deny another organization. If you want to make a motion tonight that says the town will fly the Black Lives Matter for the next 30 days, I agree you can do that right now. The town can fly the Black Lives Matter flag. Not work. Because if you allow work to fly it, then if another group comes in and wants to fly something that you find is tasteful, you will have a difficult time saying no to that. So you want to make it the town, I think you can. So I just want to emphasize that Black Lives Matter banner statement is not political. Deep on the police, that's policy, that's political. This is about valuing members of the community. And Chris, the town meeting day, we vote as a community, all kinds of values. For example, we vote for domestic violence. That's a value judgment that people shouldn't be beating each other up. In relationships, we vote to support kids who are abused. We vote all kinds of values all the time. This is a value, not a political statement. I just want to emphasize that. This is not to vote a certain way or please support this policy or whatever. So but that's my guess, we do that all the time. If you want to have this organization go to town meeting, because mostly that's for money, but if you want us to put a value up there, fly the flag on a certain amount of time, let the people vote on it, that's one round you can go. I'm just saying, if you want. And on the other question on the town voting, there's a Supreme Court docket coming through soon that the city, the town opposites, the city of Boston has three flights, both in Massachusetts, the United States flight, and it had 238 different organizations fly a flag on the other pole over time. There was a Christian group of some sort of one to fly their name and the cross about it. And they said no, because it's religion and government separation. The opposite situation is now going to Supreme Court whether they, everybody has a right to put their, no matter what it is in a way. I mean, it's free speech or so, let's move that place out. But that was a value that that select order, the city council or whatever, although we're not going to get that flag up. So that's going right to the docket now of the Supreme Court. So I don't know where that's coming from. I understand that the court will adjudicate that. What I'm saying is if the town decides it wants to say black flags matter, the select court can say that and they can allow that up. And I also love today to see how many applied things around painters. And it's just, I know this is tricky, I was in your seat for 40 years, I know how difficult this is. But there's a flag banner up there now supporting a wastebill ski and whatever, ski thing. Why am I our tax dollars supporting a wastebill ski? Tax dollars, I'm supporting that. I mean, I just said we could have every time early if you put one up, we could have, you know. I'm just saying. It's in the thing. Part of my rub about this whole thing is for me, if we make an ordinance or something that just doesn't allow for any of this, isn't it the same thing as allowing for all of it? In kind of a, I mean, that mission statement seems to get the nail on the head. You can't hang it up on there. You know, but it would be, there's too many words. You know, this encapsulates about your parts. What does people from the public here wish to speak here, this blonde lady first? And then you just let us know your name and then. My name is Elizabeth. But based on what's been said thus far, I do have a couple of questions. Number one, there seems to be some questions about what was on the Emmerich's health. My understanding is that something would affect water various supports, like life-smatter, is that correct? One of the reasons we have a lot of water various standards by the Emmerich's health. So to be done right here, and I apologize, I didn't catch your name, because you don't need to do the last one. I'm sorry. My pleasure. Would you say that all life-smatter is the political statement? No, it's definitely a value. However, we can't say that's true. All life-smatter is a value. Oh, well, it's just a value. OK, so when I hear black lives matter, I immediately think about it. And I think that if you were to poll majority of people at this point, based on what's happened the last year and how people would say it's become politicized. I think by the things of the most people that are being minded and kind to the needs would say absolutely black lives matter. I'm certain that I have, when I saw the sign and I didn't know it was going up, and I don't live right downtown. So honestly, I don't even know how long you'd been there before the sign. But I was actually ended when I saw the sign. I grew up in New Orleans, Carolina. And my best friend was a young black lady. And I don't consider myself to be racist. I realize that I'm white, and I'm being told these days that I must be inherently racist. I'm offended by that. What I see happening in our country is a great deal of division. It's extremely disturbing to me. Our country is becoming more divided, especially around the issue of race. And frankly, I believe that the Black Lives Organization itself has a lot to do with that. I understand that it was my little knowledge of what it was founded on or what it resulted from had to do with the horrific death of George Floyd, which again, I believe we should pull in there. Every single person in there would probably say that was a horrible, horrible event that took place. And feel very badly about the fact that that's in place. But I don't believe that that is indicative of what happens across our country with all of our police forces. I believe there are targets in our country of racism. I believe that there are always going to be racist people out there. And whether they don't like the color of someone's skin or they don't like the size and shape of a person or they don't like somebody's choice of gender or what their sexual preferences are, there will always be biases and prejudices that our Constitution and our Bill of Rights already addressed this. And when I see a sign that says Black Lives Matter, my first thought is all whites do not. And I'm not sure, sir, that you would be OK with my point of answer All Lives Matter, a lot of various courts, all lives matter. Because if we conclude Black Lives Matter is free, I'm sure you'll believe that all lives matter. But you're telling me the only way that the majority of Americans feel that all lives matter. And I believe that's based on false premise. And I believe it's hurting our country that there's so much propaganda out there saying that Americans don't care about other Americans. And it hurts me to the core that this is happening. So I think it's important that you recognize that although I believe that your heart's in the right place, unfortunately, this has become so politicized that the words Black Lives Matter that something very different. Thank you. Lady in the green sweater. So my name's Dauphin. And I'm going to read to you a letter that I addressed to the board members two months ago and who apologize and heard it. So as a Virigl individual living in Waterbury, I watched this police this past year as people rally behind a political agenda disguised as a social justice movement. Following George Floyd's tragic death, the perfect storm occurred and the Black Lives Matter organization jumped to the forefront with their slogans, Black Lives Matter. People who then tend to disagree with the organization are legal brazen. Their goal was to influence the presidential election, which they stated on the website. The LN enthusiast achieved that goal when their slogan became part of the Democratic National Convention's mantra. For a moment, I was proud to see that Waterbury was starting the anti-racism coalition and hoped that anti-racism was a legitimate goal. If this was the case, why not be more direct and support anti-Asian and anti-Semitic racism as well? But I was disappointed to experience firsthand that the anti-racism coalition is merely using another name, or to BLM agenda. When I requested the opportunity to speak at the Waterbury rally against racism, I was denied and told that the event was in solidarity with the BLM movement and our speaking will be focusing on that. Evidently, this affair was one-sided and they did not want to look at the current racist situation where other racial minorities are being overruled. I shook my head as government offices, schools, and other focused institutions raised banners and used this political organization's banner. It's time to remove the banner at the entrance to Waterbury, which obviously we're here for. Someone reflecting for us to be going up again. But this damaging political ideology has not reflected us as a belief of all the longer. And as it was learned in the diversity training classes, Danny was mentioned as a post from Front Courts Forum for us. The question is that you ask yourself, is does this work for everyone? And I don't think it works for everyone because the excerpts from the BLM impact statement, which can be found on the BLM website, is our foray into the electoral politics began through the creation of the Black Lives Matter political action committee. Since its launch in October 2020, the BLM impact now has two elections under itself, the 2020 General Election and the 2021 Georgia Special Senate runoff. Politically, there's just getting started. That's from BLM's website. You can't say that they're not political when they're saying that they are. But to me, if the political banner has no place in our town, it will exclude some rather than being inclusive for everyone. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments? I'd like to make a comment. Sure. You know, there's billboards. Why not rent it? Because that's what you want to do. It doesn't have to say what a very stance, what a very support, rent a billboard. Don't build boards in your mind. I'm just saying. We don't have any idea. Well, I'll fix that. Change that. That's what we want to do. Thank you. Let me know what that is. We have? Yeah. I guess my problem with this one was the fact that it said, what a very stance with black lives matter. Who is what a very, what a very, isn't it? I'm a resident. Yeah, you have the ball game. But I am a resident and I do have to say, and why your mission statement, it says I got this. Okay. Okay. I do not stand with black lives matter. And if I become a law degree, how can you pull something like that? Well, you guys have a way to do that. I would stand by black lives matter any more than I stand with the Pupilax plan. I will stand with any one. I stand for all. Everyone's equal. That's it. That's what your Declaration of Inclusion says, that you guys all voted on, except I won't admit any of you do not want to join my board. So why did this, did something change that makes us not think that everybody all wants matter? Because I really do want, does watery going to say that black lives matter and not say, well, all of us matter? You're right. We do have all kinds of social things there. But it's equal. You don't pick one and say, water stands where? How can you say that? And what she said, it is political period. If you're saying black lives matter and their mission statement says that, I don't know what else you can say. Anybody else? I would put forth a different idea instead of putting up that banner could, if this is more push forward, take a few key phrases or words from our mission statement there that they could also put on a banner that we have already agreed on the language. So we can, you know, we're in support of everything in our mission statement. So I feel like that comes with a lot of what your group feels towards. So would that give a happy meaning that you could take back to the rest of your group to discuss and if there are some words or a phrase in it that you especially like, we could come back as a board and talk about that and possibly hang that banner for a period of time. I don't know if you were sitting here when I, when Carla read it for you here. I just walked into it. Well, I'm gonna be, could I enter? You're tracking? Hang on, Mike. I hope you heard me say that there's the banner right there. I know, but I also, I know with the too many words in the front. I get it, but. So I agree with that. Yeah, okay. Mike. I wanna make a motion that Waterbury flies a banner that includes our declaration of inclusion. And I'll leave it at that and then I'll go after the comments if there's a second. Is there a second? I guess I would just like that broken down more because like we can't, so I would like to maybe amend that and say what I said, like take that back to your. I'm acceptable version. Yeah, short and abbreviated. What you most connect with and then come back and then we can agree upon it and then go from there and fly it if that's found agreeable to offer. That would be agreeable. You guys, can I think I think that's. It's not just us. You would make up the time to. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to say. I mean, the comments I've heard tonight I could go 10, 15 minutes. Can't comment the fact a lot of them that I've heard that I'm not thinking into that because we know around the country this is going on school board meetings. It's called that everywhere. There's theories that things are out there that people not think the political and people creating all kinds of stuff. But is that an honest request if that works for you to bring it back to you? I can't speak for the whole organization if that's an honest request. You know, I would like to put that forward. So does Mike need to revise his motion? Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, well, wait till we get a second then. You want to revise that Mike? Remind it, I guess. Hmm. Maybe with some of Katie's help. If someone else can take a stab because Mike's audio is going in and out. Danny, could you follow up on your comment? No, I would just think maybe we need more time. Like I don't, I think it's almost like a separate thing. Like if we want to do that as a board maybe we want to have a full conversation of the board which I think feels like a separate request than the work request. And so it might deserve a little more conversation ideally with all five of us and need to bring it in on ideas. Yeah, we'll look at the statement together and pick what we represents then we'll work and be in favor. Since we spent so much time already maybe we want to spend more time on another meeting. Well, I'd be glad to withdraw my motion to a later date. But I was thinking that my motion helps with the whole intent with what work wants to do with the Black Lives Matter banner and stuff. I think it's just really, I think as Bill laid out, I'm just so concerned about as much as I feel very much in favor of all forms of inclusion, all forms of diversity, it's just very difficult for a political body to entertain political speech as an institution. And I don't know, I'm just really concerned about as lawyers would say the unintended consequences of changing what our current policy is. So I have to- For some reason Mike, I believe that the path that's currently being taken isn't bringing the people involved to where we want to be. It's creating too much conflict. So maybe we need to create a different path that's more acceptable and more inclusive and more, can actually have some teeth to it and gain some ground here because it seems like in the last year, all we've done is gone the other way. I mean, when people are confronted down in Burlington and screamed at, that's not forward motion. That's decline in its worst form. And that's why I asked about the goals and the objectives, because it really doesn't seem to be any that are making some substantial ground in the right direction. So I think Katie's idea and Danny's idea was good. Maybe if a motion needs to be put in place to secure that idea in movement. I don't know how to structure that, but. Well, could you have a motion to table this and come back with? Yeah, well, you don't need a motion to table this. But I would like it on schedule to be discussed again. I think Mike's concerns was that if the motion be made that kind of ratifies the idea that we had, that that would be worked on. Is that correct, Mike? Or am I misunderstanding? So we have a request from Black matter right now. I think you need to, you can, if you're wanting to give some consideration to something else at a future meeting, you can say it. But I think you need to act on the request and say, we're not ready to do this right now. We'll take this up under advisement at a future meeting. But I don't think you need to make a motion about what we're going to do at the next meeting. I think you just. I have that microphone through his motion. Okay. So then should we vote on the current proposal in place, which is, I don't think you need to vote on it, okay? You can state that you're not ready to act on this given your conversation and that you will take up the subject that is subsequently. No wording under a different structure or anything like that. We'll just vote on the agenda for the future meeting. Just use the paper. I don't know if you're done. So I'm sorry. I think, I think the board kind of gotten the message. That's what we'll do, Mike. So where is this, yes or no? I didn't hear it well. That's why I said. Trisha, I'm sorry, I forgot. Pardon me for what's wrong with me. Thank you. Trisha would, I'm just, it's just, you know, my things have gotten a little convoluted, you know, sitting in the audience here. So it's the, I would be delighted if this now, it does something with it's vision, it's vision statement there and does something about it. And still just said have a request from an organization that you did not say your account, you're not going to ask on. And that seems to me to be separate from the town making a statement and, you know, it's on our website and decided for the banner of that has something, you know, but into that on it's two separate things. And so you get on the, and it's not to ask on it, but I think the public needs to be clear about like going forward, what would be the intent. So the town deciding to do something on its own is not the same thing as responding to the request for more, it's invited. That's all I said, either approve or disapprove. Well, you can do that. And I don't mean to belabor this. I would recommend that I think there is an issue that you have an organization making a request to apply something, whether they want to say it in the name of the town, I don't remember, but I believe Leanna that said, why we support Black Lives Matter for a while, but if you have a concern about that, that's fine. I think what you could do and reasonably is to say, we have a policy that's nebulous with regard to requests from organizations to put something other than advertising events on your ban. We can direct staff to get an opinion about whether if you allow this organization to fly, if you say yes to this request for this organization, does that tie your hands if other organizations make the request? And how does that differ from deciding in the name of the town to do something? I agree with Maroney, if you tonight wanted to say, Waterbury will fly the Black Lives Matter banner on its banner pole in the name of Waterbury, you can do that. And that doesn't open you up to having to fly any other organization's slogans, you will, because you're making that decision in the name of Waterbury. If you're not ready to do that, I would suggest that you ask staff to get some more information and pick this up at a future. And I would suggest to compromise, which I know is a weird word in this day and age, but I'm wondering if the board, again, wanted to have the town on board, if he would fly the Black Lives Matter banner for a month in Antelope Community, we are now going to look at whenever that resolution is to come up with a broader wording at the next time when we can do that, we can post it every other month or someone, but we support this level right now until you come up with another wording, just for 30 days. And then take the request off of the other 60 days. I'm just saying it's compromise. That comes from the slide point from next year call. I see that compromise. And I honestly think that we could get that wording up, the wording from our mission statement up on the side and left the next time. Yeah, but at least the supporting would be quick here right now. But you're asking the board to make it this season in flight with Black Lives Matter. Yeah, for 30 days or less, based on this other banner. I'm not going to walk that path, but. Is it still going to stay in the library standpoint? Yeah, it's the same. No. So are you asking us to pick up both now I didn't make it most. No, I'm just saying so our. I just need to know what we're doing. We just. I think the direction that we were going in, please correct me if I don't speak to everybody, was that we were going to not take any action on the request and then revisit the conversation next time with like three said it's almost a different issue. So you would not take action on this, come up with something as a board representative of that mission statement. I personally think it would work well to have you and or other representatives from board to see if it works together. It might not work for you. You still might come back with the same request and then we vote on it. That's totally fine. But I think that's the path that we're looking at, which would not, which would mean we wouldn't vote on any of the Black Lives Matter banner. However, it's your way to ask us to vote on that thing. Do you know what I'm doing? Sure. You can ask you to vote, but you don't have to. I know and I just want to respect him and see if that's what he wanted for tonight. So it's not a patch. So it's your, what you just said, are you giving any consideration to what I stated? Asking staff to determine. Yeah. I would highly recommend that we ask you to do that. I agree 100% with Danny. I think that's a great, great path that we should take. Yep, he as well. So then we'll take no action on this. Yeah, but on the vote, but the action would be to add that agenda and then to ask for direct staff to research. Any potential, like getting a legal opinion, essentially I'm putting. And then consider putting a mission statement in a different structure. Yeah. I'm getting published. Still keeping the mission statement. The way it is. The way it is, but maybe structuring something that we can put up as a banner that is acceptable. Yeah. You really motionally good. No. All right. I can sense this for now. Okay. You good with that, Mike? Yes, I am. Okay. All right. Okay. Thanks. Thanks for coming. I just want to report on the maker's spirit thing. Oh yeah. I just thought if maker's spirit could put on kind of not wouldn't be a contest proposal to paint some of the huge black and green electrical boxes right now around the town, right on Stowe Street, Maine. This happens in a lot of towns. I mean, around there's artwork on these electrical boxes. So they call agreement and power and women said, let me check with somebody came back. No, we don't allow anybody to paint our boxes. So when I was at a doctor's appointment, when I started this, if I saw a box painted, I was waiting for my wife to come check me up and check my picture of it to show the maker's spirit group. Well, I looked at it and I blew it all the way up into the agreement and power boxes is painted. So something isn't right. I don't know who's doing the water, maybe it changed the policy. So until we get clarity from agreement and power, I'll come back and ask if the select four is going to have, not all of them. There's like 24 boxes in town. Some of the little ones that those, it's just those big ones on the corner of Park Road and Main Street and then right the ones on, you know, Stowe Street, Maine. Just, you know, why not doll those up a little bit? If you have time when you're doing nothing, you might want to give Bill Woodruff a call and ask him to show you which boxes we own. Because I think I put in the email to you that I believe the boxes at Bank Hill and Park Road that control the traffic once. I believe we own those boxes. That's great. So there's some boxes that we own that we could give you permission for, but I don't want to give you permission to do things until I know which ones we own. I talked to Bill about it. So you can get with him and he can show you which ones you could ask permission for. And I'll be clear because there's also the boxes. I'm good at laying it right where they put those large boxes up. Yeah, I think those are in the mail. No, I know they are. I'm just saying that some of it's not right. I think it's gone. I think it's Brian Dooley that you probably contact. Yeah, that was number two. Okay. Yeah, that'd be great. Hi, Nick. It's a question for Carol. Yeah. Since I've not heard this, I've put some interesting ideas in other communities. I would ask perhaps my youth here or for through my life in the library of the Design Committee because we spent a lot of time in the town with some of the designer moments. And then I think we can work together and I'll be there for Nick some of those. Yeah, and this is just kind of the case. Yeah, I think. I'm going to see if we can do it first. Because I'm going to go with colors and put those in anyway. I'll just kind of come to the town a little bit. Just try the suggestions for a nation. Right. Absolutely. We'll get to that one. Okay. Thanks. All right, thanks. I'll type that name and if you can send in some of the library. Okay, thank you. Bill Woodruff-Caston. Yeah. How's that? Bill Woodruff-Caston. Thanks, Don. Okay. We can move forward here. Revitalizing Automotive. Okay. So Karen is here with Mark Fabulio. Mark is, you might remember as the Economic Development Director. He spent here for a few months now. And Karen is the Executive Director of Revitalizing Waterbury. Just to remind the board, we do have a memorandum of understanding with Revitalizing Waterbury. And it talks in the MOU. Did everybody get it? Does anybody need a copy of that? The MOU requires us to help Revitalizing Waterbury by October 1st, whether we're going to provide funding for them in the next year or not. It's October 4th now. This MOU has kind of moved forward a couple of different times. And now I'm fortunately remembering that it's October and then when I dragged it out the other day, I said, oh, this means we should have talked about this in September. And Graciously has said, well, if the board tells me tonight that they don't want to support us next year, we'll consider it timely. I hope that we won't do that. I believe that RW has provided good service to the community and to the town and to the businesses in this community. They were an invaluable partner during the Main Street reconstruction process. For the last three years, we have had a supplemental grant from DTRANS that we basically made RW a subrecipient of and they did a lot of work with businesses and communicating about the project over the past three years. And we would not have been nearly as successful without that. So I hope that in a couple of months, we'll consider their actual requests for next year. The idea of the MLU to let them know whether we're gonna go in a different direction is just to kind of give them time to start either figuring out how they're gonna replace the money that they're gonna lose or how they can kind of wind down because the way the MLU is structured, we kind of fund it from April 1st of one year through March 31st of the next. So our current funding and agreement that we have with them gets them the first three months worth of money for next year. So with that, unless anybody wants to drop a bomb and tell me that you're gonna tell them you don't want them around anything, you can turn it off. Thanks Paul, I'm gonna let Mark start. So yeah, another part of the memorandum of understanding between the town and revitalizing one rate is that me as an economic development director, I provide two reports, this one being the one that's given August and I have which was sent and I have hard copies of anybody who'd like one, anybody on the select report, also the public. I sent those to you in the mail, please. I only have 10 copies. They'll be out of it. I've got it, Chris. Chris, anybody the public would like to take a look at it? So this report touches on what the economic development director has done since the beginning of the year into August. I can only speak on what has been done since about mid-March when I started my position as economic development director with revitalizing water rate. Some of you have read the document, some of you have it in front of you now, but I would like to just highlight on a few of the kind of important things that I'll take out of the report that I've worked hard on this time. And I think it might be pretty cool for the public to know they don't know about it. So one of them is every month, I publish a newsletter that goes out to the business community here in Waterbury around 270 recipients. And that gives them information on different grant opportunities, upcoming workshops, some highlights from businesses that have been posted in an article or they have a cool event coming up. That's a new thing for the business community here in Waterbury. Another something else that I'm working on or I was reached out by the ACCB, which is the Agency of Commerce and Community Development from the state of Vermont to do a request for information about not only demographic information about the town of Waterbury, but also available spaces with a footprint of more than 10,000 square footage or a confidential company to occupy if received a veggie, which is a Vermont Employment Growth Consensus program. And the company, as you all know, now the public knowledge is MTX Group. They're a tech company, an international tech company. They worked a lot. They had a contract with the state of Vermont at the beginning of COVID to help work with contact tracing. And they are opening their Northeastern headquarters here in Waterbury Center in Vermont. Something else to highlight on. Okay, so a few months ago, there was a grant that I was reached out to from, I believe it was the CDC. It's called the Building Communities Grant Program Regional Economic Grant. And this basically will match capital dollars for a business slash company that wants to do physical improvements to their business to allow to retain or increase the amount of Vermont workers they have at their business. And I was reached out for two different projects. One by the Vermont Fear Shopper and one by the New Brewery on Stow Street, both fear and both were each rewarded through $15,000 from the grant. And lastly, as requested by the town or a member of a revitalizing Waterbury, in this case, I am not a member, but then associated with the Waterbury Energy Plan Committee and I help them, I support them and bear with their meetings. Recently, we had been reached out by Efficiency Vermont, which was doing a free business consultation and Waterbury, they now use Waterbury as their example when we go to reach out to other counties because it's such a successful camp. Maybe I think we had 14 or so businesses all take place in this energy walkthrough and see how they can use the tax-intensive that Efficiency Vermont could provide for their business. So there's a few highlights from the last seven months since I've been here. I guess I'll now open it. If anybody has any questions in public, anybody on the select board? Just before you ask questions, if you have any, I came to the board with the request to put a letter of support in for that digit grant and DX, but I want you to know when Mark says that, the Agency of Commerce and Community Development reached out to him for some information that it wasn't something that we could do in 30 seconds or five minutes. I mean, I'm sure it's looking at that part of a week to gather the information that they were looking for. This was a big project and it paid off because of this company's coming in. Yeah, I'd just like to add on Mark's been on for seven months. We've had two other economic development that we supported over the time. Mark's coming on a really exciting period, as we all know, as Main Street is done and we're sort of looking into the future of revitalizing water grays, just about to start a strategic planning process to figure out where we're going next and how we're going to support the town. And as you know, we support the town through the economic development director position as well as with marketing and promotion and tourism. If you have noticed the tour buses that are coming in every single day right now, about 20 plus of them are coming in and we're personally greeting them. The design committee is involved in really what makes this town look beautiful, flowers and the garlands. And so there's a lot of work that we do for you and for the town. And it's a real bonus that the town supports a full-time economic development director position because we can do that much more, such as bringing in, helping bring in the retail market study we're undergoing right now, which we will share that information with you when it's completed. These are all just key components to how we figure out how to support the economics that all of them in the business is in the town. You know, I gotta say that actually today I was thinking about our debut and... Good job for him. Yeah, absolutely. I was thinking about how this particular organization differs from others in my opinion that people are actually, you have goals and objectives that you are pursuing in such a manner that they're coming to fruition at such a rate that you can see the improvement before your eyes. You know? And I just think that some other organizations could take some real lessons from you guys. And I appreciate what you do. Well, I'm just gonna share that three staff but a huge number of volunteers. We have three of our board members here with us, Teresa Wood, Ozo Johnson, and Harold Fox who just joined our board. Okay. We can't do it by ourselves, but it's this community group really loves to get involved and support us and make this content. But it costs money to do it all. I mean, like any organization, including elected officials and all that, there's controversial things at times, but I think your heart is definitely in the way and everything that I've seen so far and I approve of it. Thanks again. And for you, Mark, hitting the ground and running and it seems like seven months, you've accomplished some pretty good stuff here and show through your balance bill. Keep up the good work and we're glad to have you aboard. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right, I'm gonna echo that a few amazing things that I see every day when Chris said there's a difference. I don't know if I'm gonna have the time to ask the question or if there's a, if you can direct me to when to ask for how to find, but I'm curious about the, like working on finding the tenant for the train. That's not the deal coming up then, right? So maybe now's not the time for nothing he did and if not, how did this day apply to that process? What did I say? Oh, it is? How long is that? What is it? What's happening? What's happening? I heard a rumor. There's a lot of rumors out right now. I just want to set the ground, like everything clear, still clear. We're still, you know, still showing the place. We're still, there are some people that have given us offers and we're working to see if they fit the space and the community fits them as well. We have not chosen a place. There's a lot of work going on in the train station that is to fix the platform. So it's all on and throughout. Yeah, and we, it's a long process. We are looking for a tenant and continue to advertise and we will take all offers and we are when people approach us, we bring them. Mark is spearheading this for us. It's the primary contact with a commercial real estate agent. I am proud of revitalizing Waterbury. We painted the train station this year. I haven't been painted in 17 years, 15 years, a lot of years. And that was a major investment of money. But we felt that with the station empty, with COVID, it was quiet, it was a good time to put some time into painting it. And thank you to Theresa for putting the flowers up this time. They were beautiful. So the building is ready to bring in a tenant, but it's a long process. And if you're in here, it's not. Everybody does know that our W owns the train station, right? It should be, if you don't know, they do. We own the train station. We own the train station. So you're stakeholders with that group. Are you talking to local businesses that are around it or who else? We're talking to everybody. Trust me, when we heard that it was empty, I started getting phone calls from locals and from far away, 10, 12, 14 businesses. We put them off with commercial real estate agents. She reached out to everyone. We've shown it many, many, many times to local people as well as companies and businesses all around Vermont. We have some very specific goals for the train station. It has to be a financially viable business. This is the major component of our annual budget. And it's not a sense of building to maintain and to keep going. But we have a loan for you guys. Thank you for doing that on the event. One, so it has to be financially viable. It has to be a company that, oh gosh, down the line, can all three of them. What are the three? The community-minded company and... Sustainable, I think that's the other one. It's just a lot. So they have to be able to afford the rent but they have to be a viable business. We're not gonna bring the other company to fly right now and try and do the first time, right? Are there any types of business that are not, that you feel that are not in the best interest of Waterbury to house at the train station? The truck business, we're trying to steer away from an office setting that would end up actually closing the door, making it sort of a community space. So we don't necessarily want lawyers or accountants but the spaces can easily, has two components to it. So it could be, we could come up with two different types of businesses. It's really, we're learning that we have to be very open-minded as we think about this. And when we started, we were like, this is our dream tenant. Well, our dream tenant doesn't exist. So we have to be very open-minded as we think about it. Just a suggestion that I'll be able to hold by calling Yale Brown. Oh, call the Yale Brown? He didn't get a phone call from the phone right now. Yeah. Yes, there's plenty of businesses that are like pulled outside of the office, might be an opportunity. Any other questions? We're happy to show up and then have you need us. Appreciate that. Okay. So are you all set? I'm all set. I just want you guys to say something. You're all set, Mike? Yes, I am. I just wondered if like, you know, something like a closed shop or something like that was something that they wouldn't be looking for because they wanted something that more promotes water barrier or something of that nature. But the answer is. We need to be open to everything and retail is one of our options. Right. Thanks. Looking. Yeah. You'll find something. Okay. So the next time and you'll see Karen explain she's going to present their budget request for next year. We need to make a motion on this MOU. The MOU I believe is ongoing unless you say it's not. Thank you very much. I can always reach out to us if you need us. Thank you. See you in your final. Thanks for coming, everybody. All righty. Recreation director, Nick. Nick Nolan? Yes. We love him. Oh, you know how to clear a room. Yeah. Wow. Awkward. Good job. All right. Great question, Chris. This was easier to see than we thought it would be. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I emailed this out on Sunday, but we printed some copies. I hope so. I don't know what part you want for us to report. Yeah. Yeah, let's do a report. So I don't think I've talked to you guys, especially since the end of summer. I don't have anything additional to report. Summer was great besides the end. Very busy or busy summer. Before refunds, we cracked six figures in revenue, which is the first goal it's ever come put. When I came in, for instance, for example, revenues were $50,000 a year. So in three years, we took in six figures, which is crazy. That being said, we gave refunds out a lot of our six figures. But we still beat what Bill and I had projected for revenues for summer camp by $800. So how many? What was the dollar amount of refunds? Close to $11,000. My bill was $11,000, but we still came out on top. And actually, I had Michelle print, Archive paper print, a revenues update at the start of October. And every revenue line has exceeded $11,000 a year. So super great. We started after school program. It sold out. I originally had 15 spots. And it was like, that's a lot. It sold out like 20 hours. So I had to increase it to, you know, I increased it to 20. And now we're at 25 some days. You guys know the rest of them, which is small. But really preparing for winter can't really have more than 30 kids, 25, 30 kids in there at a time. It's just a pandemic and whatnot still happening with kids, especially I don't. We're not making national music now, so. But that program to make money is projected to make $20,000 as is to make more. If everyone pulls out for some reason, it will make a little less. But that's one source of our increasing income. Swim lessons. We're back up again, offseason swim lessons. So typically, we rent and up until the spring of 2020, we were renting the pool at Person Fitness, which is now a green map community fitness in Berlin. For offseason lessons, I kept on pool staff throughout the year. Our pool director team was amazing. And it was a big clientele down there. The pool isn't right now. They're not ready to rent out external organizations yet. So I scoured and scoured and got Golden Eagle Resort and Stowe to rent us their pool. I negotiated a much lesser rate than theirs. They were calling to charge for us. It's still significant in comparison. Well, we're paying around $700 to rent Berlin for eight-week sessions. We'll pay $1,200 for Golden Eagle. But it's a much nicer facility. We get used to the locker rooms. We get used to the conference rooms here. We use the sauna, the hot tub, workout room. So really, our participants are really getting here. They're really good mates. Did the fee go up from previous year for that? For the rest of the month. No, for the participants. So one of the big struggles that you'll see of getting to that, yeah. Oh, okay, I got it. I'll go over it. But usually, I'll just talk about these for you. Usually when I do a program, these are our staples. But then we run other programs. And so I'm not every single time I'm going to offer like 10 of these in here. Additional childcare programming. I mean, we're pretty good to see stars in my capacity and what I want to put staff on. But no, everything's been great. We're playing for Brooklight. That's from December, some fourth. We have Howling in the Park again. We did that pre-pandemic. I set up the bloke movie screen in the park. Of course, the parker. Shaw's don't even put down a candy. And we dress up. Our staff dresses up. We didn't do it last year because of the pandemic. We did scarecrows on the main competition. That was popular. But I can't do both. So I'm going to do one this year. Yeah, why not? I mean, someone was crazy. I still want to do details. But yes, someone was great. Besides the end, we've already had a grown-up band. We're still using my truck just as much. Which, actually, can I talk about that right now? Yeah, I was going to ask you to talk about that as well because you've got so many grandmothers. Yeah. So, yeah, we have the $60,000 grant from Albertsons. Well, first, remind everybody, including me, we budgeted money this year to buy the band. We've got a grant to help close that. Yeah. We started there. Backing up to December of 2020, we got a grant from Albertsons for $10,000. And I wrote it to buy a band for logistics around town. We factored in $25,000 or $27,000 for capital improvement. $10,000 of that was covered by this grant. So the town picked up a $15,000 bill for the band, plus the $2,500 we budgeted for gas. Then got a $60,000 grant from Albertsons, the same place for the summer food program. Usually, we rely on a senior center. They were operating this year in that capacity. Our next option was feeding home here in Vermont. I'm not sure what it's called. What does the school lunch program is for the summer? We'd have to go to the Loyal Union High School every day. They'd bring lunches back. So that was our backup plan, but I wrote a grant. And we got all $60,000 of it that summer. So that was a crazy endeavor, because then I had to run around each restaurant and get food and deliver it. And so the name was tied up with food. So we made it. We got that grant. And Nick used it as an opportunity, both to provide food for the children at the rec program, plus also to provide pandemic aid if you will, during the time when the restaurants were not very busy and made arrangements for coming forward. Like seven restaurants and stores in town, we did cold polo cider. We got donuts every once a week. We'd go to the cafe, Park Road Cafe, and we'd go to the exact same pizza. It was not a farmers market. They all chipped in somehow. Chipped in. We paid full price for them to do that. So I could use this grant up. So it was kind of an economic benefit for the town. In addition, they're just eight, probably the best day for eating all the time. They fit it twofold. And stacked it, too. So I had projected it that we budgeted it. And we were going to use it just shy of $2,000. And I was going to use it. The money has to be spent by the end of 2021 in December of this year. So I needed to spend down the logistics relating to food or something related to food. So I was going to maybe buy a new refrigerator for the rec bill. I wanted the extra couple thousand in case, for some reason, one last week we got hammered with additional kids or something. We had the opposite. So we have about $10,000 left over from that grant. And since we'd already outgrown our 15 passenger van, and as part of our after-school program, we know we do a weekly outing. So we've got a stove, playground, we like to pull all the cider. We love that. We hope they depart just to get the kids there. But we have to take two trips to our van because we don't have two seats. And then that gets tricky because you need to have a ratio. You have at least enough sacks left at the building to stay with those kids while you have enough sacks in the van. And you have enough sacks to leave with that group and come back. So a couple of times, I had a buddy that works at Lumiere Outfitters in Stowe. I can rent their 15 passenger van really cheap, like $50 or $100 a day, which is crazy because if you try to rent it from a rental company, it's $304 a day. He's moving on, but I told him to contact him. That's not a rule. Regardless, that's not a reliable source. I'm just lucky right now. So I pitched the idea to Bill that $10,000 of the horizontal front's not going to cost half of everything right now. Can I buy a used winning van? Because in the summer, the big bends and it's going to be if we keep operating summer camps in three different areas to accommodate everyone, but it's still going to need to rotate equipment, supplies, and food, whether we do a grant again or we do a little more about the local union food, or even the senior center. We can't have all 170 kids in the senior center. So we're going to need to transport food in regards to ourselves. That was kind of the van for additional programming, like for instance, hiking and fishing camps. So I had to schedule that after camp was done and I had to run some events for that. So with an additional vehicle, we could use that to transport some of the stuff. Instead of my truck and then the van could be used for programming during the summer and during the year. Bill said, why stop at a minivan? Why not ask for a 15 passenger? So wow, we have this money that we're allowed to use. I checked the dollars and we're allowed to use it on a van because it will be used for logistics and future for food. 15 pass would be way more useful than a minivan. I mean, minivan would be useful. But if we can discount a 15 passenger by almost half because it's for the grant, that would be even more. That's the van subject. Anything you want me to add about it? No. My thinking is that given the pure out of conversations that I have with Nick and the growth of the right program, this van has already shown its work. And as he suggested, that we already have additional use. We have use that's above the other capacity of the existing van. So there's two ways to go about it. And I would be comfortable with either. Well, there's three ways. One is you say, no, we're not going to buy another van. And we're going to have to have any other conversation. But there's the $10,000 that we have left over in the grant. We could go ahead and buy a van. Whether it's a minivan, I would recommend a 15 passenger van. If we can get the same kind of deal, it's about $25,000. So we'd have to spend $15,000 that's not budgeted right now. And there's no way to go around the fact that it's not budgeted. I can tell you, and I've told you in budget reports in the past, that we really projected low on revenues. And we're going to exceed almost all of them. We've already got additional recreation revenues, then we thought we were going to get pilot payments that we didn't think we were going to get. We will have the money to cover that. But if the select board is not comfortable with buying a van before putting it in budget and asking the voters, as opposed to buying it and just telling the voters we did it, I think there's an opportunity that we could communicate with Albertsons and tell them that the select board is committing to buy another 15 passenger van. We need to get an approved budget. We would keep your $10,000 until after town meeting and then if the voters appropriate the additional 15,000 or whatever it is that we need, we'll buy the van with it. And if we don't, we'll send the $10,000 back. So that's the second way you can go about it. I think you have, I'm not sure how much you need two vans at this time of the year. I mean, yeah, every week we need two vans. So you're already using two vans. Yes. Yeah, I decided to buy one. You're still renting? When I can rent in the X-Vans, they do weird things. But I live in X-Vans, so it's easy for me just to drop the truck off and drive the van and come here. But there's days that it's booked, so and there's no other van available. So we have to scrounge for staff to get enough, five staff on, but you can stay with the kids, you can go the other group, stay with those kids, the one that's the van that's in place. Those sooner than better. Sooner than better. But I mean, for now I'm maintaining. But definitely there's use right after that, obviously. So, and then there's additional things to have to talk to our insurer because, you know, we're on a very, very doubtful that we got a van and, you know, the history center knows we have a van. And so, you know, I've spoken with our insurers about renting out the van because they're finding it just as our organization knows the van is available to rent. So, you know, we can rent it as long as staff, one of our staff that is, you know, large van certified drives it. And so how I've been doing it, I've rented it twice, you know, for $100 a day plus staff rate. And, you know, the history center, I'm gonna be leaving mid-October. The history center wants to rent the van on Friday for our history tour with the first or the seniors, I think. So would you like my driver's map because I'm not gonna be here. But, you know, there's, there is revenue. That's going on in the kitchen, it's not. Yeah. And for a minute or two, I don't know. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. So on the side of it, I do not want to get in the business of renting, but I think, you know, for organizations like RW who want to be like a writer's tour and, you know, the history center, I think there's some organizations we can't rent that are their affiliates, but I definitely, but that being said, that's a revenue stream as far as the van. I don't want to focus on that. It's, we pay for the van in a few years with the program with an offer for it. But there is that added bonus for the van. So I just want to express my continuing concern for, and I'm not saying all of this ask by any stretch, I just want, I always have this concern in the back of my head of outpacing our growing pains. That's the right way to say it, but I think I, you know what I'm getting at. By just taking on too much expense, if you've had a crystal ball and you could look into the future, say revenue source will always outpace structure in this program, keeping it going. You don't foresee that happening in the near future. In other words, you think we're good for now, as far as, definitely. I mean, this is the history of the past four years. Is there ever going to be a high point where we've grown this program so big that now our revenue source starts to fall off and we have an expense that we have to maintain? No, I think. That's always a concern. Yeah. With anything in the back of my head. I mean, the past four years, revenue is correct. Increased expenses have not increased as much as revenue has increased. Yeah, I thought that was probably true fat. We're at a point where we need some of these things if we're going to meet the demand for the community. It's not like we're just giving it to the community. We're collecting on this and making money. The after-school program brought in close to $40,000 and we've spent five, six, $7,000 just on stat. That's all it would cost so far. Part of the point for that was because we're offering it out. So we're trying to be creative in our program offerings, but regardless, the revenue is there. It's childcare, all it can be a demand, it's an increasing demand. We could have half the participants and still be breaking even. I mean, you have a great grasp on this concept of keeping the revenue source ahead of the college. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to use it every time. You know, he does understand. I mean, Nick and I have conversations a lot that, and he said it right at the top of his leak that he builds every program to break even. And if he doesn't get enough participation to break even, we don't want to throw it. That's just our goal. So is there an example of something that you put out there and you know enough people signed up for it? No. And typically, the number of participants that we need to break even is relatively low. And I will say this, my concern with this as we go forward is Nick is very organized. He's got a network of people out there that he's come to know over the years. And people are willing to do this work on a part-time basis because it's supplementing other jobs they have, but they probably don't feel that they can make enough money. And that, you know, there's a lot of good employment, if you will, out there. It's probably a term we need a lot of way. But people in Nick's cohort in terms of age are looking right now, maybe two, three, four jobs and four years of time, you know, make their lives. Make your goals. And what that allows us to do right now is to have these jobs where we pay reasonably competitive wages, but there's no benefits that go along with anything. Nick's the only one in the rectifier department that gets any benefits at all. And so it's a relatively low overhead right now. If a pin gets pulled out and people go away and the thing kind of crumbles, well, then, you know, we just don't have programs to run. We don't pay no wage. And we sell them to people. It's really as simple as that right now, Chris, that these are pretty low overhead programs. And at some point, the pressure comes, we've already looked at, oh, community centers and stuff like that in terms of facilities, because we could have a bigger after-school program if we had a bigger facility. But then we have 500 people. So it's a little bit of that chasing and stale kind of deal. Well, Bella was going to ask Nick if he needed any help finding people for the Thanksgiving break. But now I'm up. Yeah, and Chris, I'll point and build the livings a little bit. But we're out of bubble as far as I'm utilizing as much that. A lot of them are not a lot. But some are doing favors. Keith, our school director, is a teacher at the Mollie Union. He's said multiple times when he's doing winter lessons right, because of me. That's great. But regardless, I still need someone to do winter lessons. So they're indisposable, but to say as far as positions go. But I'm going to need help. We are at, we're doing more for one person full-time department than any other town that has one person. I know I've talked to my colleagues in the field. We could offer more programs if we had more staff available. So I think Bill has already mentioned it once. But I'm budgeting this year for a full-time assistant. They'll be covered by revenues, right? We've made enough of the actual program. There's other programs that they would be able to take on and be covered. So just to comment on additional expense taxpayers. And it's budgeted while we come. But I just want to make sure I set that tone that we could go two directions. We can maintain and kind of stay small and not really meet the need. We can go and meet the need and still be making 10% more money after then we're breaking even. I just want to make sure you understand that I know up in Newport, I heard from Indiana what happened, because I didn't get a chance to talk for it. But that's happening with a lot of people in my position right now. So I want to make sure it's important that there's support for RAC. I think the numbers show that obviously for a revenue, for a remaining revenue, it's not like there's any money. Yeah. No, I think that some people in the town have always had a misconception that I've always been against RAC. Yeah, I don't know your daughter. That's not the case. And I'm happy you're on board. I'd hate to see you get burned out and decide to. Well, I say that because it came close to summer. It came close. My daughter was in the same boat that you're in. And that and many other reasons that they don't. But well, it's good news. I'm glad to hear everything that you told us tonight. And like I said, you got a good grasp on the revenue source versus the expense side. And I was like, you're not one of the things. Get out of hand. So I'm all for whatever you wish to do with another band. I think you had a good idea. I'd ask him to hang on to the 10th band unless he feels he needs it now. What do you say? So let's see you guys, I can use it now and say if we're going to buy a band and why spend $100 a week to rent, if I can, then really end the additional taxes that have to pay to work. I can still make it work. So why don't we on the first advantage constraint, let Nick and me talk and look at the current budget at the meeting on the 18th. We can come back or I can come back. We'll be away and make a decision as to whether we can buy it this year and just done with it or if we have to wait till we go out. So let us look at the budgets and see where we are and to make a more informed recommendation. All right, and then I did ask Nick today. I'm a maker still here, I see. So we applied, the rec committee applied for a BOREC grant to look at the Hope Davies Park, this golf course, the whole facility. Where do we stand on that? Yeah, like a long-range plan. And they got the BOREC, we've got home-borrowed it. And so they need more time to go through the hundreds of applicants. So they pushed it back, I think, from November. So we'll have an answer for a while. So both the agency is still reviewing all the applications. The decision should have been made by now, but we have so many applicants. They need more time to review them. So they're hoping sometime in November or November. Is it something that they would partially fund? Like if you asked, would it partially fund or would it just be no if they don't do the poll? They partially fund it in the past. So it all depends on the pool. Right now, I think they got 400% of the fund they have. So they might take parts of it and fund less than it, fund less than you need to scale it down. It's happened in the past. I think it's me and his ability to study grants for BOREC. And they asked for 40,000, and we got 30,000. So they're going to give smaller amounts if it's potentially going to go in more. They're probably going to have to. But we won't now. They're trudging through all the applications. So then you've got a proposal for BOREC. I know I talked about how much money we're making. But just in order to stay ahead of it, these are really modest maintenance and inflation drives costs increases. In our summer camp, we cut out field trips because of the pandemic. It tends to get on buses, and we're going to take the vans. And we're still going to do that. But the amount of children we're serving is decreasing every year. I mean, this year we had 173 kids enrolled throughout the eight-week program, whether that was for the eight-week session or one-week sessions at a time with 173 different children. So it's kind of hard to do that. With two vans, it will be hard to do that. So we want to bring field trips back. We want to be able to rent what we used to do with blessing. First, transportation used to be our go-to, but they sold. And so the next closest in cost is the Law Valley Transportation. And it's double what we used to pay. So I'll get creative with the budget in order to see how many cultures we can actually go for. But that's just an example of one cost that's gone up significantly that we haven't taken out of the budget for the past two years. So I've proposed a $25 increase for residents and a $25 increase for nonresidents for the eight-week walk. It's still for residents. It's still less than $100 a day for child care. It's less than $2 an hour for the amount of child care to provide. Less than $100. You said it there. Yeah. Sorry. I'm thinking of myself. What does my son tell you? Oh, me? Oh, me? Yeah. That's a burden. It's a burden. So we serve a lot of low-income families. So we can't really drive up the cost significantly. From what I'm projecting for next year, this is what I'd like to increase summer camps to. Many camps have been around 150, 165 for residents. The last we've tried was 165 for residents, 190 for nonresidents. I'd like to make that kind of synonymous with the summer camp. In fact, we've only camped three, which is $175 a day for residents, 200 nonresidents. Still a bargain. The next closest is the YMCA. And they can't go to or they call live wires during the summer or during the school year. And they charge more than what we charge by quite a bit. So I think that's a, I'm asking for a 10. I'm looking to increase it $10 for residents and $5 for nonresidents. The other increase is the swim lessons. Like I already said, I've already budgeted this fall session at this price. It's what I've come up with that will, you know, economically make sense for the department of town. But I just kind of want your final approval by using that rate of 85 for residents and what's going for nonresidents. And that's swim lessons all year. Yeah, I'll hear. Let's get out of pool in the summer and then we'll go off to the lessons later in the facilities. Should I just give you a lesson with memberships or what? The first full year in 2019, I changed it. I brought it to select board. But I changed it from a free lesson with memberships to 50% off lessons. And we saw a dramatic increase in revenue. So I've kept it that way. You buy a family membership for the summer, you get half off the lessons that are full for the off season. There's no discount for a membership or anything like that because there's no working in. Do you want me to stop there and keep going in facilities? Keep going around. Yeah, so the facility rentals, the youth and adult is purely inflationary costs. We have there's a major shortage this year. And we had to start using interior, exterior, white paint to align the fields just because there was there's none of it. And there was no field line of paint available in it. And fortunately, for some reason, does not look like there's an end of sight. They can't find a chance to put the paint in. They can't make the plastic with the big five gallons. Buckets, paint, and you probably run into that. Well, that's not to interrupt you, but that's one of the things I was thinking about. If you're going down to this list, the use of inflationary costs are they based on what you're seeing now or what you're projecting? Both, both, because I think they're like you just stated. This isn't over yet. No. And and these facility fees and youth and adult we haven't been updated since 2019. That was when the when they were on accumulation of that structure. I haven't done a projected structure yet for the next few years, but I just wanted to get the year by year basis. If there's any trade. So I'm I think modest, you know, for instance, that you please decent. So you softer happens in the fall. We line fields every week. We move the grass. We provide the nets and the goals. The five hundred dollars we can cover what we put into it. But we can't charge a soccer league. The thousands of dollars that we put into it because then they wouldn't exist. So I think the $60 increase for both the youth and adult these reasons are reasonable. Direct building isn't really available to rent now because we're using it all the time. But Chris Chris tells me I put a bunch of work into it at the end of 2020. We got a donation for the floor from the company to put a new floor in there. So I put an impact proof for kids. Final flooring. We repainted it. Put giant windows in that I got a resource to deal. Very nice building compared to what it used to be. So I think if there is an opportunity maybe during a weekend or not using it for program like COVID's over, if we rent it out again for birthday parties, it's still a deal. I think honestly we'd want to increase it in a year or two. But just for the cheers and what it is. The tournament add-on fee. So this is listed in that key structure that was approved in 2017. But every time there's a tournament here or tournament any of the parks for any of the weeks there was a $10 add-on fee to cover the additional portalette usage, the trash that we have to collect and the prep that we do for it, the baseball game we drag for it instead of throughout the week. We mow the grass. Sure, we do some extra work for a tournament. I'm suggesting a $50 increase for that just because it's becoming popular against the host of our facilities. And we want to make sure that they're worth the cost and we do put a lot of effort into it. I'd like to make sure we create the extra effort we put on a Friday. For instance, having three parks guys out there doing whatnot or the tournament up at the disc golf course. So the rent committee potentially presents a different fee structure. For now I just like to ask this main-inch cost. And they garden fees. They're the cheapest in the state. It's their $15 for a 20 by 20 block if you're a resident and 20 if you're a non-resident. I'll get residents from South Burlington and Essex in Montpelier to come to us. And I never understood why. So one of the gardeners told me it cost 80 bucks in South Burlington for them that the garden plot. In Montpelier it's 60. I know it means one of the true people, plant vegetables but we have increased what we do as far as the gardens go. I go out twice a year and spend a whole day and fall whole day in the spring myself and one other person will pull stakes, pull things that can't be rolled until we contract out-of-telling. And then we have a dry compost pile that we end up turning with our big loader multiple times just to get it, get it. Yeah, cook and go. Yeah, I think that's right word. So I think it's super reasonable. The gardeners I talked to over the last two summers that they would definitely pay more for our gardens. So I'm just requesting we move that to $30 for a resident and $40 for an hour. And those are my fees. Everything else, like when I run a basketball camp or I run a Harry Potter camp or a science camp, that's contingent on the deal I worked out with the instructor and the space facility, rent and diesel by a rent crossover classroom with their cost is and I try to stay in the parameters of this but I will increase the fee or decrease the fee if it's forgetting the heck of the deal or if we're having to pay more just because we don't want to do taxpayers want to make this as affordable as possible. But we also make sure we're recovering our expenses and making some money but at the minimum. So these are the stable. Well, the money you make always goes back into it. So that's part of the process without it would be traveling. I don't have any issue with any of the increases that they're modest at best and inflationary costs just to let you people know my world I just priced out some electrical conduit today what would normally cost me $14 for a three inch piece of 10 foot condo, it's now $68 in change. It's just outrageous. And the guy telling me that on a weekly basis they're getting phone calls for increases and it's not stopping and I'm going to stretch. But yeah, I think we're ready for that. We'll see you for that one. Yeah, I think I said so. It's going one line to 200. Oh yeah, 10. Yeah, I'm sure that was the correct one. I think we're in the emotion. Yeah, there should be a motion to prove the proposed fees for 2022. So moved. Seconded. Any further discussion? Mike uses my hand. Here are none of those in favor say aye. Aye. Do these, do these for 2022? 2022, yeah. This whole lessons is already done. Just make sure we cut our costs. Just to say, we can make them effective to me because none of them really ignore it. So when you said 173 in the old years earlier, was that just the summer rec program or was that rec cam and the new cams? That's just the summer, that's just the summer cam. So pushing 200, we're getting close. So even without the pandemic, it's likely we're going to need to continue with the two or three venues, right? We don't have enough room for them down there, right? Right, we definitely don't. So yeah, we're going to keep it that way. It's really important that we continue to rent these spaces. They're reasonable. Yeah, it's been a great job, but I just wanted to make sure that we all understood that it wasn't just because of the pandemic. That's why it started. It's why it started, we kept it that way because it clearly let other people in that. It's funny what good can come out of that, right? Right, yes. Thanks so much, man. Happy staying. I'm really happy. I'm waiting there. Health insurance, yeah. OK. Does anybody want the memo? So you can read it or you are all set? I'll take it. So this is the time of year that we have to make some decisions about our health insurance offering for the next calendar year. Health insurance plans run with the calendar, January 1st through December 31st. For the first time in a long time, I can report that health insurance rates have not gone up significantly. In fact, blue cross rates almost, well, all dropped in the vicinity of 7%. And now they're much more in line with the MVP rates. Danny, I kind of keep this recommendation or the summary part at the beginning the same every year is just kind of a historical look back to tell new members how we got where we are. But the town, for several years now, has rather than the traditional way in the past of saying we have blue cross insurance and we're going to offer you these three plans, choose which one you want. Because we are part of the remote health connect, the health exchange that was created when Obamacare, the Affordable Health Care Act, was adopted, a number of years ago, we offer our employees a monthly allowance that they can use to purchase health insurance that's best fit for their family. And three years ago, now I think it was 2019, rather than just say you could choose any blue cross plan, we made any plan also through the exchange available. So Blue Cross and Vermont MVP offer group plans for small employees, which we have under 100. And we all have to buy our health insurance through the Vermont Health Connect. So these rates are rates that are made available to any small group in the state. It's not just municipalities, individuals out there if they want to buy a plan through the Vermont Health Connect. These are the plans that they would get to choose. So we have used the rate of inflation and the rate of increase in the health insurance costs as a means to propose a new offering to the employees. And in some years, when the health insurance rates have gone up dramatically, like 10%, 15%, and inflation was very low, 1.5%, something like that. A few years ago, that was the situation we gave the employees 4.5% more for their loans to reflect the fact that health insurance rates went up quickly, but the rest of inflation was not growing so fast. So if you've all read this, what I'm recommending is a 2% increase from 2021 to 2022. The rate of the increases are on page 2. So right now, you can see for an employee who is single in 2021, the allowance that we've given that employees in under $11 a month on proposing it goes to 8.27%. I did put in here that while some may argue, or may suggest, I shouldn't say argue, that maybe given the rates are going down in Blue Cross and are ranging from negative 2% to positive 3% on GDP, maybe some think it's a year that we should just say, no increase, we're going to stick where we are now. And if you did that, employees would have some additional costs that they have to bear. But I would also caution you that, as I indicated here, inflation, and as Chris just mentioned, inflation is right now running at more than 5% per annum right now. I think the 12 months ended August or September. I guess it was August this year, and September numbers weren't available yet. Inflation is pretty hot right now. So I would suggest a 2% increase. It's a modest increase. We'll keep most of our employees kind of right around where they are now in relation to the cost of these plans. And it's a nod for the fact that inflation is going pretty quickly. And medical inflation didn't happen to the degree that it often does in 2021. And I think that's a lot to do with the pandemic because there was so much medical, especially elected procedures that were put off because hospitals and medical providers didn't have the capacity to do those kinds of elective medical treatments because of the pandemic. I'm afraid that if you just stuck with 0% this year, you'd end up with having to really ratchet it up significantly next year to make it up. So I think 2% is a reasonable number. And I would recommend that that's what you offer. For the employees who don't take coverage, we do have a handful of employees who are eligible for health insurance to receive their coverage through a spouse or a partner. About five or six years ago, I think we started to offer them a small stipend, a monthly payment to just recognize the fact that there is a cost. And the cost would be significantly more if they took our insurance. So I'm recommending that that increase from 125 to 245, which is a 2% increase. But it's a small $10. Bill, I'm supportive of the 2% raise. I just have to go. The building I'm in is closing. So I'm going to have to sign off. So you can continue on. But I'm supportive of that 2% raise. Thanks. I'm going to make a motion to approve it. One, two, three, four, five, six, five, six, seven, eight. Thanks for the moment. I love Mike. I'll make that motion. If you do, Brian, the guy, thank you. And also the increase for the, yeah. Is there a second? A second. So you said that. And the team went down 7% or blue cross. And so the blue cross platinum plan. And we have very few people that take that question. The blue cross platinum plan for a single person will be 82 a month this year, which is 7% lower than it was last year. So it was about 905 last year, I think. I don't have last year's numbers here. But still in relation to MVP, the platinum plan for MVP for a single person is $811 a month. So it's still $72 less than blue cross. It provides the exact same benefits because it's a standard plan. And that standard plans mistake have to all be the same. It's the same benefit back. So blue cross is maybe partly a competition issue with them. I mean, they're significantly higher than MVP in 2021. We have a number of our employees who are die-hiring blue cross folks. That one they saw that, OK, I'm going to be given a monthly allowance. And I can buy blue cross and not have any leftover to go into an HRA or an HSA. Or I can buy MVP and have some money to put into those other funds. We've got a migration towards MVP. But I still think we should offer both our plans. So if a single employee wanted to take the platinum plan, if they chose to take the blue cross, they'd have to pay some of their own money towards them. With MVP, it's right there. I guess the buffer is $17. I guess what I was hoping for was that the overall cost in return had dropped. And that we could maybe use that as a benefit with an increase that would help buffer next year's possible increase. But you clarify the whole thing. So we're really not, we're gaining some ground, but we're really not gaining. Yeah, and for someone like me, OK, and I can talk about me because it's about me, I can't. Let's really talk about Carla. But I take my monthly benefit and I buy the plan that I want and I put the balance into an HSA, which I've built up over time. Some people take the money and buy a platinum plan and they don't have any left over to put aside for other things. But they make those choices based on the needs of their family. I'm relatively healthy. Don't have any underlying conditions that I know of. And I think that can manage with that I deductible plan that if something bad happens, even a car accident, that was my fault. And there's no other insurance company if you pick with it, if I just went off the road and I had a bad injury. The plan that I take, I would be on the hook for my out-of-pocket maximum. My out-of-pocket maximum is almost $16,000 a year. I can take that risk because I put some money inside of it. Other people who have medical conditions, they know they're going to spend that money. So to them, they'd rather take the money with the platinum plan. This is a good way. And I don't think it's the time to do it now. But this monthly benefit that you are providing to the employees, they use some of it to buy a health insurance premium. And the rest of it they use either for an HSA or an HR or they spend it all for premium. This is a tax-advantaged way of providing them compensation because if you gave somebody an $827 a month salary increase while you pay retirement and pay social security, and they pay income tax and so on. If you're giving $827 a month and a health insurance benefit, even if you're putting it into an HSA, there's no tax, there's no plight there, there's no retirement that gets taken out of that. So if you were going to say, well, we could increase this by 5% and then next year, you know, not give them as much as a pay increase, there's some consideration that could be given to that. But that might be for some future discussion because there's too many levers to call and too many questions to ask the employees to see how that impacts everybody. Would be beneficial to me, but there's other people that it wouldn't do much for. So I think the 2% is a bit different. And I'm not hoping to take a specific number, but the majority of the employees, are they on more of a family plan or are they on a... Well, it's kind of a split. We have a number of single people now. You know, that wasn't a novelty. When I first started, that was unusual. But we have a number of employees who are single or who take single plans. As some of us age, we used to have family plans, but now we have two person plans. And then, you know, we do have a couple of employees with families. But I think it's more evenly dispersed than it used to be. I think 25 years ago, Chris, it was almost all families. So it was healed, not taken out of the array. No, I haven't had any problems with issues with it. I guess most of the days and secondings from what we need to do is say, all right. All right. Any of course. Okay, great. All right. What for an item? So you've taken the entertainment ordinance off the table. This mark's not finished yet. The discussed board meeting schedule, when I put this together last week, I thought I was not going to be here on the 18th of October. But now I am going to be here on the 18th of October. I am going to be traveling to Georgia in late October through, I don't know, I think we're going to leave on the 28th and then come back around the 11th or 12th or something like that. I can participate in the November, whatever that meeting is, November 2nd, November 1st, of course, wondering if we're going to be able to go. First test. November 1st. So I can participate in that meeting by the, and then more than likely we'll be back to the second meeting. So I was going to see if we could switch up when it was, but now I'm not going where I thought I was going on the 18th of October. Oh, so we're going to have a meeting. We're supposed to, I think we've got some homework to do. So yeah. I'm supposed to be on my, you know, trek an hour to the end of October, but I'll be in here. Now that we have it. So when do you go up there? I'll shoot you for, shoot you to be here that first weekend, the third week of October. Okay. Well, from October, you know, in the November. All right. So the second, that 18th, you'll be here or I'll be here. And if you can participate by Zoom, that's great. So there's really no adjustment that we have to make on this. We're going to adjourn this. We know one more thing. Yeah, yeah. Appointment of the Zoning Administration. Oh, oh, no administrator. Okay. Your last meeting. I brought to you the recommendation of the planning commission to appoint. Can McCormick as the assistant planning and zoning director. The cams started work Thursday last week. Successfully completed in fact on the presentation. So he started work last Thursday. If you remember, I told you that I wanted, I was hoping that we were going to be able to appoint Steve as the zoning administrator and the planning director. And we had to take that off last time because the planning commission didn't actually nominate him. So the planning commission at their last meeting now has dominated Steve Law's speech for the position and we'll have to fill it in later. The planning and zoning director, I believe it is. And I would recommend to the board that you appoint Steve to a three-year term as the zoning administrator and effective agreement. So moved. Any discussions? On to your term. Thank you, Blana. He's the director of planning and zoning and also we have to put him as the zoning administrator. We'll figure out the actual wording. But zoning is the zoning administrator. Yes. Because his position now specifically includes enacting a zoning administrator, not just when the zoning administrator is not here. Now we have two people that can do it. So we have to appoint him. So they've made the motion and second move. Did Ross say aye? Nope. No, no more comments or questions. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Okay. No, yeah. Put the nail in it. Move forward. Motion to adjourn. Second. All those approved. Aye. Oh, I'm out of here. Thanks, guys. Thank you all. Have a game, have a meeting. Thank you so much. So what were you saying about? You were going to say something about Thanksgiving.