 So here with the Danish Technological Institute. So who are you? I'm Ralf Christmasman. I'm director for the Center at DTI and Who are you? Yeah, my name is Zachary Davis. I'm also senior researcher at DTI. So what's going on at DTI? So basically what we're doing at DTI is a development of nanomaterials for printed up electronics applications so in this case we are So basically we are doing all the way from basic process development of trying to figure out what types of nanomaterials are needed and trying to develop those materials to scaling up researching and developing methods to produce in small but also scale up production for large scale production maybe tons a year of these type of nanomaterials So what's going on at the DTI? What are you looking at in the video there? Yeah, what we show here is the part of this super-curricular reactor system to produce nanomaterials So what you see there, it goes too fast maybe, but you see some of the chemicals coming out here and I think we'll go out a little bit so we can see more of this, maybe come to the situation where it's finished a little look And this is the catalyst materials produced Here's one of our guys, a lady also, that produces these kind of materials here So we can produce a lot of different things with this reactor You can make catalyst materials for fuel cells You can make catalyst materials for exhaust system for diesel trucks and you can use it for printed electronics, there's a lot of different things you can do So what's going to happen with printed electronics? What are you going to do with that? Right now we are developing, we have developed a little bit nano-silver for silver-based things but also heavily investing a lot of money and effort into nano-copper because the idea is that if you can make a conductive ink out of copper instead of silver that's just as good performance-wise electrically, then you can do it in a very cheap way So replacing silver could with copper could lead to very cost-effective printed electronics One of the main challenges that a lot of the industry is facing is the price to reduce the price of production of these printed electronics systems So how do you do that? Is it research? We're doing both research but also innovation and development towards and all the way up to commercialization with companies So typically a company comes to us with a challenge We try to map out what options are there for solving that challenge and then help them in collaboration with them to solve these challenges So going all the way from, and that could be from a concept So we do the basic research or taking some other existing research and then develop that into something that the company can use in the market So what's your experience in the Danish Technology Institute that's doing a lot of stuff and ready to be at the leading edge of nanotechnology? If we'll be at the leading edge it has to be proven of course but we do a lot of work and we do a lot of research We also engage in rising 2020 projects with European companies and also European universities So we have to collaborate to bring things up and it takes some time, we guess that 3 or 5 years before we have the ink ready for that So 3 or 5 years could be And then what happens then? You work with companies and they ship it or you ship it? I think that's different, right? We can of course produce the materials ourselves and give them the raw materials to make nano inks We can also develop processes and license those processes together with an ink reactor or nanomaterial reactor which they can buy So we're very flexible in that depending on the needs of the company, the needs of the industry If they wanted to just buy the material we can sell the material or if they want to have it in-house then we can also do that So what do you think about the ID Tech X, the printed electronics industry and what's going on here? It's quite interesting for us to come here and see all the things that are presented here and also have an opportunity to present something that we created in Copenhagen and we think we'll be there next time as well in Berlin next year in April So a lot of activity happening with printed electronics, right? And with all the other events happening here We found work walking around to see things and discuss with us There's a lot of people there, a lot of replications, very broad I mean that's one of the things we really want to do is to see other companies what they are doing, can they use this technology what specifications do they have and what needs do they have for this type of technology so we can actually adapt what we're doing to fit the needs of the companies So it's very important to talk to these companies and see what's happening