 live from Los Angeles, Oakland, and San Francisco. I mean, some people are complaining that the video starts like in the middle of a sentence sometimes, so I thought I'd give it a more ceremonial. That's good. I like that. I've actually been reading the book that they based the OJ show on. And I didn't realize how much of a Bay Area connection there was to that trial. Like almost every major person involved in it, either they themselves or their family came from San Francisco, Oakland, or Richmond. Wow. That isn't, I didn't know that either. I mean, I watched that whole thing from Austin, so it was all California to me. I didn't pay any attention, but. Yeah. Also, I think that guy murdered those people. Like after reading that book, I got serious concerns about. Wait a minute. I don't think he was innocent. Hold on. Listen, I think that there's a lot of very compelling evidence about. I'm not sure about this verdict anymore. I'm, I'm, I feel like we need to take a second look. Maybe if the glove fit, you don't acquit. You do still acquit. It was dumb. Matt Christopher Darden, man. He really, he really was a botch from him. Hmm. I do love the, the, it's not really subtle, but they sort of like, unacknowledged send up of them in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. Oh, I mean. I mean, it's not subtle in any way, but no, I like that they, they didn't point to themselves while doing it though. They're like, oh, we're just, we are just them. Which is funny because, their, Marcia Clark is, I think in a different context, would be kind of a hero to somebody like Tina Fey, who by the way, on lighter news, there's this bar in Oakland that I like to go to that has pinball, like pinball. Yeah, I've seen many a Snapchat from there. Is a medieval madness. Hmm. And that game, there is a ramp where when you shoot it up, there are, it's the damsel in distress ramp. And there's like various voices of damsels in distress, all played by Tina Fey. Oh no. Which I did not realize until a pinball trivia friend of mine came into town. Very nice. And on that note, we begin our show. Are we ready? Too bad. Without advertising, your radio station would sound like this. Get in there, man. Without your support on Patreon.com, the Daily Tech News Show would sound like this. I don't know. We thank you for your support. DailyTechNewsShow.com forward slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, April 7th, 2016. I'm Tom Marin joining me today. Mr. Justin Robert Young, host of Weird Things, Night Attack, Politics, Politics, Politics, Hotline Bling. Wait, no, what is it called? Hotline Monday. Hotline Mondays. You are not in fact Drake. I'm not. But I've never worked with Drake, so I can't say no. Although you can't call me on my cell phone. Yeah, I used to. Hey, we got an interesting topic today that we were kicking around before Verizon became rumored to be purchasing Yahoo, which is the first of our headlines. But it's all about how these tech companies are dealing with the fact that, guess what, they're not new anymore. They're not startups. They're not, they're old. They've been around for years now. Justin, don't call them comebacks. No, they've been here for years, many of which as IPO'd publicly traded companies that have very real fiduciary duties to those that both work for them and invest in them. And it's creating, I think specifically this year, some very interesting trends and results. Dotcom boom ended 15 years ago, people. Yipe stripes. Yeah, more than that actually. Yeah, exactly. Less your fifth. It's a wake up call. It's a midlife crisis for the tech companies. I don't know. We'll find a good headline by the end of this show, but let's start off with the headlines. Here it is, sources telling Bloomberg that Verizon plans to make a first round bid for Yahoo's web business next week and in a sweetener would be willing to buy Yahoo Steak in Yahoo Japan. Those of you who don't know, Yahoo Japan is majority owned by Japan's soft bank and licenses the name Yahoo, from Yahoo which still owns a part of it. So Verizon be willing to do all the Yahoo web business and Yahoo Japan. Alphabet's Google division is also considering a bid although they are not interested in purchasing the Yahoo Japan shares. So those would have to be sold separately. AT&T, Comcast and Microsoft have apparently decided not to bid. Time Inc is still evaluating. They haven't got off the fence yet. And a couple of private equity funds do want in, Bain and TPG, although they would like to back somebody else's play. They'd like to finance an acquisition, although they still might make solo bids as well. First round bids are due on April 11th. Ah, the courtship of Lady Yahoo. Who amongst the suitors will she pick? And who is willing to suffer the momentary dip in stock price when they announced they're interested in buying Yahoo? You know, this is obviously a breaking story. So we don't really have a whole, a very, very deep understanding of exactly what would go into this. But it seems as if you would think that Google kind of makes the most sense considering how closely they've worked with Yahoo even recently and that this is their key business. This would actually be an acquisition for Google that would play into what makes the money which is search and ad words and advertising. So it'll be very interesting to see how this plays out. Yeah, and there are lots of little tiny pieces in there like Flickr, Tumblr, that would be interesting to be integrated into Google as well. Verizon obviously trying to build an advertising business with AOL and so for the same reasons as Google would probably like to acquire Yahoo for its advertising technology as well. Facebook Messenger accounts now get the URL m.mean slash username that can be visited to start a chat. Facebook is also rolling out Messenger codes, a series of dots and dashes around a profile pic similar to Snapchat's QR codes. Facebook announced Messenger now has 900 million monthly active users. Getting close to that billion that sister WhatsApp has. I, my favorite part of this story, this is all, this is almost similar to the Facebook live video story yesterday which is except instead of Periscope insert Snapchat, Facebook tidying up its Messenger app to do a few things that Snapchat does and that's great. In fact, Snapchat hasn't even been doing them for all that long. So it's not like, you know, they're playing huge catch up here. The best part about this story was the guy whose Facebook username is your username which Facebook used in one of their posts about this and therefore is probably filling up his Messenger inbox. Yeah, you know, what's funny about this in terms of its comparison to Snapchat is that they're really going at a similar demographic in two different roads, right? Snapchat is very much primarily about media sharing and this is very much about being connected to people which to me and I am slightly outside the super hot sizzling age demographic that these companies are applying to. I find the Messenger idea maybe, all it would take is you Veronica, Brian and Andrew Maine to start using Facebook Messenger and I would use it probably more than SMS, right? Like it's very, very easy for me to get plugged into that. So I think for them, the URL idea, just another way that you can reintegrate an entry into this ecosystem is a smart move. And I'm one of those 900 billion monthly active users through no fault of my own. Somehow, once a month, somebody messages me on Facebook Messenger and I respond to them and part of the reason is that my nephew lives in Australia right now and so that's kind of the easiest way for us to chat with each other. But even beyond that, there's always just someone that I know going, hey, this is the only way I knew to contact you, what's going on? I have this question or this thing to tell you about. Speaking at Kenyon College in Ohio on Wednesday, US FBI Director James Comey said the method used to unlock an iPhone 5C in the case in San Bernardino will not work with an iPhone 5S or newer iPhones, the 6, 6 plus, et cetera. The A7 chip in the 5S was the first to include the secure enclave so whatever method was used apparently is thwarted by Apple's development of the secure enclave. So if you're going to read the headline behind the headline, what this really says is we are not done going to these companies and asking for them to break encryption. That's one headline behind the headline. The one I chose to see was, oh, but if you get a more up to date phone, you will be more secure from people cracking it. So that he is saying that to perspective people. Oh, I don't think that's why Comey is saying it. Oh, yes. But what he said has that effect. Absolutely. Oh, no, without a doubt. Yeah, and that very much is the same point that, hey, listen, this is something that A, Apple has had seen coming on the horizon and decided to start integrating on a level beyond software, right? This is a hardware decision to make sure that your elements, that encryption meant something a little bit more than what it did. And here's the thing, and I know this, again, you make a fair point about why James Comey is out here saying this in public. The other thing about this is, guess what? Someone somewhere on planet Earth is either working on or has figured out a way to get around the secure enclave. And once they do, Apple will have to figure out a new way to secure the secure enclave. And that is computer security. That is the history of computer security since before time, like going back to, the substitution algorithms back on clay tablets. Yeah, you're right. I mean, the circle of life, Reddit released new apps on Android and iOS replacing Alien Blue on the latter. Alien Blue will be removed from the store, but will continue to work. The new apps are now out of beta and available in Australia, the UK, Canada, and the US. Try it in the next week and you can get a free trial of Reddit's Advery Gold membership Wednesday. Reddit announced that they will have a new feature where when you block a user, you will no longer see posts or public comments from that user, though they will not know they've been blocked. A lot of folks on Reddit sad about that, but it is very similar to how a lot of other social networks work, muting essentially. Yeah, I mean, we're gonna get into a little bit more of that, but specifically on the block function. This kind of seems like something that when you talk about harassment or corrosive speech on otherwise unrestricted platforms, or unrestricted as you can reasonably be, these are the kind of things that I think some who are most affected by it say should have been done a while ago. Seemingly common sense kind of solutions to what is an otherwise onerous problem for the people that suffer from it. And this will tie into our later conversation, but it is a sign of maturity. I've read it saying, well, we were a free will in place for a long time and it has caused damage and we need to own up to that. And I think, maybe it's because I'm an old man, but I think this is an elegant way to do it, which is I block you, I don't see your things anymore. You continue to operate as you always have. And that way, if I'm irrational, it doesn't hurt you. It just means that I don't see your things anymore. And do you really want to force your message in front of people who don't want to see it? Is that the right you're fighting for? So I think this is a fine way to go about doing it. Indeed. Quartz reports 12 autonomous trucks in the European truck platooning challenge have arrived successfully in Rotterdam in the Netherlands, completing successful journeys from Southern Sweden, Gotenberg and Stuttgart, Germany. In fact, that convoy from Sweden, South of Stockholm traveled 2,000 kilometers. A human driver leads each convo with the rest connected by Wi-Fi and doing that platooning thing where they just follow at a very close space that is perfectly safe because the computers in charge can stop them fast enough, a lot more efficient than humans driving. I believe they still have humans in the trucks to take over just in case. Research firm TNO says two trucks clocking 100,000 miles annually can save 6,000 euros on fuel. This is kind of amazing. And really one of those, we had a conversation on the Weird Things podcast last week about autonomous driving. And one of my questions was where will be the first place where we will, where are the soft spots in our membrane? Where we might say, I don't know about driverless cars, where we're gonna be like, yeah, okay, make sense. And Andrew Maine came up with the idea of maybe a car that takes you, a autonomous car that takes you from the airport to your rental car place. You know, that that's faster or more efficient than running a bus or you have the ability to do it. Or maybe on large theme park properties like Disney World. Maybe that'll be a place where you could see it. But this makes so much sense, even if it's just two autonomous trucks behind one driver. That seems like something that could happen tomorrow when nobody would blink at it. Yeah, you reduce the labor costs eventually. You save on fuel apparently, and you're able to use trucks more efficiently. I mean, who doesn't win in that case? Oh man, I just wanna do a new techno remix for the song Convoy. That's what it makes me want to do. Please, someone make that happen, please. Bloomberg reports that analysts are raising operating profit projections for Samsung based on stronger than Samsung has updated its earning guidance for Q1 expecting sales of 4.9 trillion won and operating profit of 6.6 trillion, expected sales of the Samsung Galaxy S7. Yeah, something happened to the sentence there. Stronger than expected sales of the Samsung Galaxy S7 belongs right there. And then it makes sense. Yeah, no, point of this being, Galaxy S7 sales are good and Samsung itself, not just analysts, but Samsung itself saying, yeah, we're gonna make more money because of that. You know, like we're doing better than expected and we didn't underestimate horribly like we did with the S6, so we don't have any parts or shortages as well. Yeah, you know, Samsung's been a company that's really defined itself over the past 10 years and it's good to see, the question has always been how much money are they making on these phones, no matter how popular they might be. So a very, very good news for them to see a positive financial guidance. Here's some bad news for messaging app line. Well, let's start with a little good news. They began letting developers create bots on the platform. That's the new thing. We heard about kick doing it. We expect Facebook to do it or expand what Facebook is already doing. But line is dealing with investigations in two markets. Japanese regulators are investigating lines handling of customer money. Unused deposits in Japan by law need to be kept with the legal affairs bureau, at least a portion of them do, but line didn't deposit unspent credits in a game they offer. Line says that's cause they're not currency. They're just line points. Meanwhile, in Thailand, stickers that mopped the royal family are being investigated to see whether they violated rules against insulting the monarchy, which carries a sentence of up to 15 years in prison. Stickers online are made by users, but they are vetted by line. So there's a question that Thai officials wanna know who made the stickers first of all, and then they'll need to judge lines responsibility. Well, every market has their own little quirks, and sometimes it's about how you talk to the customers, and other times it's about how you deal with the minutiae of the local laws of the land. The Japanese thing seems like something that is probably more of a story now because we have the Thailand thing to also talk about it with, because this is one of those things that happens all the time, not only in Japan, but in most countries where you have Byzantine financial laws that this will just get settled either by someone showing a certificate or somebody paying a fine. The Thailand one is obviously a little bit stickier because it has those fun blue law kind of a feeling to it where- Right, and there's a military government in Thailand right now, so it's not something where you can appeal to democracy. Yeah, this will be interesting to see, but I feel like maybe if they just let the queen make her own sticker, this'll all blow over. If only it were that simple. I don't even know if Thailand is a queen. I apologize, the country of Thailand and the royal family. Bluestacks has added the ability to stream to Twitch to its app player that lets users play Android games on a PC. Bluestacks is using Twitch's new API, which also gives app player users the ability to watch Twitch streams in the app. So this is interesting because it's being reported as Twitch can stream Android apps, which is true, but from your PC, which is, I mean, Bluestacks, I've been fascinated with since it first came on the scene, the idea that it can do the Android apps on Windows and OS 10, that's great. I love that, amazing. I think it's cool that Bluestacks is saying, hey, we know a lot of you guys play games in Android, let's add Twitch to that. That's interesting too. And a lot of heavy streamers apparently are saying this is great because now I can stream my mobile gaming. They keep using Hearthstone as an example, which I think is weird because there is a desktop version of Hearthstone, so I'm not sure what that's about. But I can see other mobile games where they'd say, yeah, I'd like to be able to stream this on my Twitch channel, and this makes it easier. So you are playing mobile-ly and it is routing through your PC to stream to Twitch? No, no, no. Bluestacks emulates Android and lets you run- But you're playing on your PC. If I understand it right. Yeah. That's what's going on, because that's Bluestacks, that's what Bluestacks is. This is great for people who stream four, five- Totally. Times a week and have a lot of time to fill. They got a lot of, very often, you can only play the same game so many times. You want a silly game that you can go out there? You've already scraped the bottom of the barrel for every clicker game that Steam has to offer, and boom, you are all... Clash Royale. You are like, Clash Royale is huge right now. I'm going to stream Clash Royale because I'm an esports kind of person. Yeah. This makes it easy to do. So there we go. I mean, good, good, good, you know. Computerworld reports Wollers Associates says, sale of desktop 3D printers rose 69.7% last year from 163,999, let's just call it 164,000, to 278,385 for models priced below $5,000. That makes it into the desktop land instead of the industrial versions. The additive manufacturing industry as a whole grew 25.9% last year. That's the 3D printing industry with $5.1 billion in sales. Wollers expects worldwide revenues to reach $12.8 billion by 2018. You know, I'd expect these numbers to continue to go up as 3D printers become more and more user-friendly and cheaper, but I still think that for 3D printing, desktop 3D printing specifically, we're still waiting for the killer app, you know, for it to really kind of break out of, you know, and there is a sizable group of people who want to make models and want to do a lot of things that it can already effectively do well, but for it to get outside of that realm, I feel like we're still waiting for the rad 3D printing. Yeah, I keep adjusting my metaphors over the years, so I apologize for the inconsistency anybody who's been listening to me closely is going to experience. I would now call MakerBot the Apple II of printers and we're still waiting on our Mac if you want to look at it from an Apple perspective. That's a lot of headlines there. Thanks to everybody who helped us put them together. I'm talking about Reject 69187, TM204 and Skyboard 13, among others who submitted things we used from our subreddit, submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that's a look at the headlines. So we were talking about Reddit maturing earlier and Justin and I were talking about this earlier as well. There is a particular quote in the New York Times that caught my eye regarding Reddit adding the mod features and trying to make it a friendlier place to post. New York Times said, that is important for the company based in San Francisco, which aims to spread beyond the 243 million unique monthly visitors it currently serves and break into the mainstream consciousness, much like a Facebook or a Twitter with a similar ability to command online advertising. And what's interesting about that is, I feel like most of the people in our audience probably think Reddit's pretty damn mainstream. All right, it's the front page of the internet. But the fact of the matter is, when you see commercials on television, you'll see a Twitter logo, Facebook logo, maybe Instagram, maybe these days Snapchat. You do not see Reddit held there. We started talking about whether that is something Reddit needs to shoot for, should shoot for, has to shoot for. And we started noticing that a lot of the, and when we're comparing them to Facebook and Twitter, a lot of these other companies are really starting to get to the point where Reddit's a little behind in that they are just an independent business, right? They're no longer part of Condonast and are trying to figure out this problem that Twitter and Facebook dealt with years ago. Well, and one real quick Reddit hot take before we spin off into our larger thing, but I think Reddit needs to do this because if they are going to expand, what I think is a natural place for them to grow is what let's say medium offers to do. The idea that, no, if you want to run, if let's say you want to start the new Gawker empire, you want to start the new Verge blogging vertical or whatever, this is the place you should do it. This is where the people are, this is where all the stories go viral. If you have a community here, you are plugged in immediately to a larger one, but they need to take this step, the idea that, okay, it's easy for us to just take off people who want to pollute the dialogue or say things that are awful or terrible, not only for our writers, but also our readers, and that kind of gets to this larger idea. The growth opportunities, even for what we consider, because we were here from the ground floor for a lot of these, we consider to be the solid titans, the blue chips of our weird tech field, the Silicon Valley set, even if they're not all based in the Bay Area, and that includes Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, and more. Yeah, so it's interesting to note, again, as we were comparing these, Twitter is actually saying we're gonna bank on live. That's our thing, we're gonna buy NFL rights, we're gonna talk about our 800 million users, whether they're logged in or not, we're not gonna talk about publication anymore. That is a pivot for them, that is a spin for them. But don't forget that another part of Twitter, and Roger and I were talking about this earlier today, Twitter makes money. It used to be, well, how's Twitter gonna make money? How's Twitter ever gonna make money? As soon as they started making money, it became, how's Twitter gonna get more logged in users? How's Twitter gonna get more logged in users? Well, they have a developer business with fabric, just hit two billion devices. There are other things going on within Twitter. Facebook, even more so, actually looks like a 1980s era conglomerate. It's got Oculus, it's got Instagram, it's got WhatsApp, and these are all independent entities, right? The fear had always been, what is Facebook going to do with Instagram? And it turns out, not much, not much. Back in that might be worth paying some attention to, but overall, they let these businesses run themselves as a diversified organization. And that led us to think about Alphabet, deciding to break itself up and focus more on the bottom line. Amazon has naturally grown into Amazon Web Services and Amazon Retail, but they also bought Twitch, bought Audible, bought Goodreads, et cetera. Microsoft had been stale for years and has found itself reorgening into operating segments. In fact, just in October, they made themselves into three segments, the Productivity and Business segment, which is essentially Microsoft Office, the Cloud segment, which is led by Microsoft Azure, and then the Personal Computing segment, and that's Windows, Xbox, Surface, et cetera. And then we get the news today, Justin, that Verizon might be wanting to buy Yahoo to add to AOL, to make a new segment of itself, right? It's got its wireless companies, it's got its telecommunications companies, it's got a few other telecommunications related subsidiaries like Hughes Telematics, but everything is networking, essentially, for lack of a better word. AOL and Yahoo is them saying, look, we need to start doing this decentralization as well. So what is the benefit of decentralization is kind of what we wound up sort of circling around to, and the idea, at least from what I can tell from my puny vantage point here in Oakland, is the idea that, especially, and you can see it with Google, Google Alphabet is going through this in maybe the most harshest terms, that decentralization means that you are okay with the idea that these other businesses can wither and sometimes either die by way of shuttering it or it being sold for parts to somebody else that's interested in it. Right now, Google has had, or Alphabet rather, has had a lot of these companies that have been divested from the sweet, golden-loving arms of Google and its gigantic money machine that are now in turmoil. You have the Boston Dynamics personality issues. You have the now officially code red ranker stuff with Nest that not only seems to be a problem between Nest and Alphabet, but also Nest within itself that you gotta wonder whether or not the stakes there would be as newsworthy if they weren't their own company. I mean, engineer upset within Google, you head to a bar in San Francisco and throw a pebble and you're going to find, and by pebble I mean the smartwatch, throw a pebble and you will hit somebody who is upset with their job at Google. Not for any other reason, then people get upset at their job sometimes. This is a different story because it's decentralized and part of it is that freedom, the freedom to rise and the freedom to fall. Facebook has had a lot of public rising this week. Oculus releases, WhatsApp does their encryption, which is a very positive move. Facebook has their big announcement about live. Those are three stories that don't all say Facebook, Facebook, Facebook, but obviously behind the surface it is Facebook, Facebook, Facebook. And I think what we're seeing is the strategies, the varied strategies that these tech companies are taking to say, okay, we've reached our peak. How do we stay there? How do we make sure that we don't turn into compact, that we don't turn into the failed tech enterprise that was once large? Well, how do we not turn into what Yahoo is turning into right now? That Yahoo is still a viable business for the moment but you don't see Google, you don't see other contemporaries of Yahoo like Amazon up for sale. So this is always a challenge, right? And one of my favorite examples in this is IBM. IBM used to sell punch cards. They used to sell punch cards for looms, you know? They perfected that. Herman Hollerith, man, he was good with the punch cards and then they started learning that they could do punch cards for data. And then they started doing typewriters and then they started doing actual computers and that was a big deal. IBM was like, we don't do electronics and there was a guy, and you're in tech history that I wrote, documents this, there was a guy who convinced IBM, like you should probably do mainframe computers. And now we think of IBM as a tech company, but they weren't. And then they became a tech company and then they had to be convinced to do personal computers and they did them and they revolutionized things and then they became a cloud company. That is unusual. Most companies aren't able to pivot that well and you can talk about Nokia and its boots and how it became a phone company and now it's something else. But there are plenty of examples that you can't remember because the company's faded away. So let's talk about one of these massive tech titans that has not decentralized, Apple computers. They are still very much a top-down organization. Certainly it was just taken as fact that Steve Jobs was the strong man that could keep all of these pieces together no matter how disparate they might seem. They would remain focused. They would only have X amount of verticals and even as those expanded beyond personal computers and laptop computers to the mobile space and the music space, it still is to this day all in one house. Do you think that that bodes well or poorly for Apple considering we are illustrating this trend? I feel like Apple's playing a different game, right? A successful company wants to stay profitable as a company and if that means you don't sell playing cards anymore, you sell NES systems, whatever. So we abandoned our playing card roots. We're still profitable Nintendo and that's all that matters. Apple's playing a different game. Apple's saying our purpose is actually to make amazing things or however they put it, revolutionary, however you wanna put it. And so when they do something like acquire a Beats, it's weird because everything else they acquire just goes into Apple. They don't diversify in companies under Apple. Apple is the company and if they diversify, what they diversify in is product lines. And I think that's one of the reasons you're seeing so many people wondering, well, when's Apple's next big product line hit gonna come because there isn't anything else that Apple does that they can fall back on. Now they're a successful company. They have huge cash reserves. I'm not trying to say they're in trouble. They aren't. Sweet Lord, no, no, no. They could literally buy most countries. Yeah, but it is a harder, I think it's a harder thing to pull off and it's certainly a different thing than what the conventional wisdom is. I mean, my dad worked for Pet Milk Company in the 1980s. Pet Milk Company was bought by IC Industries which had once been Illinois Central Railroad. When they bought Pet Milk, they owned Harley Davidson motorcycles Hussman refrigeration, PepsiCo bottlers. I mean, it was just all thrown together. But that was the plan back then. That was the conglomerate plan. Now I don't know enough about business to talk about whether this is a similar plan or what it's good for, but it does seem that there is that kind of mindset maybe trying to tie things a little closer together. I mean, Oculus isn't that far off from the communications of WhatsApp and Facebook. And certainly what Verizon's doing is very network oriented and or advertising oriented. But it's a way to mature that doesn't stagnate. And that was the biggest problem for the Microsoft is just now trying to emerge from is that kind of stagnation. And specifically what that stagnation does leadership wise on that like it might, you might be able to say, oh no, listen, we do do everything. Like we can also, we're Microsoft, but also people love Windows so much. Of course they'll want a Windows phone. Of course they'll want all these elements that we think in our own org charts make sense for the consumer to do. And yet it is not quite as successful as the Agile company that gives the consumer exactly what they want. And that is the difference between Yahoo buying Flickr and having it die on the vine and Facebook buying Instagram and having it continue to flourish. Is that Flickr immediately became harder to use and burned consumer trust. Instagram, it was promised they'd leave it alone and they've left it alone so much that people don't even put Facebook's Instagram and headlines anymore. It is just that strong. Yeah, no one put icy industries, Harley Davidson and headlines back in the day either. So it just makes sense too. I think what Microsoft doing is impressive where they said any reasonable executive would have said no we ride Windows as long as we can and we make as much money off it as we can. And Microsoft is pulling back off that and saying that's a ride to death. We need to switch to other horses. We're not killing the Windows horse but we're gonna ease up on it a little bit. And Shane has an interesting, what's that? Great barn, there's a great track for it. Yeah, yeah. And Shane has an interesting point. He says Apple seems to prefer to do their vast evolutionary experimentation in-house. We just don't see it. They hide it from eyes. Which is still very different. You're not doing it in public. I mean, I think certainly, but the difference is, you know, Apple's stuff tends to come to market a little bit more often and slightly more successfully than Microsoft, you know, than theirs have. Since I've been interested in technology, I have always consistently either read or heard rumors both personal and through the press that Microsoft's R&D department is, you know, best in the world, that they are creating miracles. And yet the fact that we only see them in these demos at CES every once in a while and not making world changing differences in the technology space is part of that difference in leadership and it's something that you can very much see between Balmer and Nadella of embracing the many pieces as opposed to the one whole. Well, let us know what you think, especially if you are someone, and I know there's a few of you out there, business professors, business experts, if you've got, don't say we missed something. We know we missed a lot. We're not trying to talk about everything comprehensively in five minutes, five, 10 minutes. But if you want to add your voice to this, we'd love to hear what you think is going on in this space, because I think we're at a fascinating inflection point where we're suddenly realizing, wait, Google's not new anymore. Google's really established. Google's blue chip, as Justin put it. Let's get to our pick of the day. Teresa writes, I have a pick for anyone that is blind, more often than not, if I need to check if an app is accessible to VoiceOver, Apple's talking screen reader, built in for iOS devices, I check out applevis.com. They have forums, they review apps based on how well VoiceOver works with the different apps. As a note, thank you, Teresa. This is great, applevis.com. It's sort of the wire cutter for apps and accessibility. This is great. That is awesome. Send your picks to us, folks. Feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. You can find more picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks. Messages coming from Natron who points out that video on the internet often lags behind live video. I think we've all experienced that, which could be a problem for Twitter and the NFL. People posting to Twitter could be watching on TV and then their treats will get ahead of the Twitter video, which means they could be spoiling the game when they post tweets. And I've had that happen to me before. And the people most likely to read the treats would also, tweets would also be people watching the delayed Twitter video feed. So here's what's very interesting to me about that NFL package. And I'm glad that we got a message on this because they didn't have to staple it into our larger rambling discussion earlier. I find it fascinating that negotiation, the more you read about it, wound up going to Twitter, which they admitted was lower on the bids, and other very natural homes for it. You might think that a video service that requires a payment wall, like Amazon Prime or something like that, would be a natural home for the NFL package. And yet it winds up going to Twitter, which I totally agree with Natron. You would have to open it up in a totally other window that doesn't necessarily feed into your Twitter experience, right? Like, you know, NFL viewing in general tends to be a fairly sit back or leave it in, you know, a random. I think that's why they're only paying a million dollars a game is because the NFL knows that most people are still gonna watch it on the television and not bother to air play it. So this is for people who can't be at their television and want to watch it on a laptop or tablet or a phone. Yeah, I mean, I find it interesting that Twitter found value in even doing it. You know, I think that you're right. For what is the premium, the Cadillac of live video, which is NFL games, even non-exclusive NFL games, that it went for a comparatively bargain basement price is very, very, very interesting. It's an experiment for sure. Regarding our discussion of payments, contactless payments, et cetera, there are a couple of times this week have been people raving about how Starbucks does it and Ben from Keen, New Hampshire, where Mother Nature can't make up her mind if it's winter, spring or summer right now, he says, was mentioning that Dunkin' Donuts is right there with him. In fact, Dunkin' Donuts outnumbers Starbucks where Ben is from and says the one I frequent just updated their credit card terminals. Now they accept NFC-based payments, including Apple Pay. If it wasn't for the perk I get using the Dunkin' Donuts app, I would use Apple Pay to buy my daily coffee. The only place I use Apple Pay is at my work cafeteria, but you can use Apple Pay to reload the Dunkin' Donuts app just like Starbucks. And then Toby reported that he routinely survives a normal working day, including bus, train, travel, food, stationary, purchases, et cetera. Using just Apple Pay, however, card plastic contactless is still marginally, but noticeably faster than the iPhone, which takes almost a full second to authorize sometimes. He hopes the U.S. catches up sometime soon. Well, I'll tell you what, I've been happy enough to be to Keen and I would just like to suggest to Ben, sweet and light with sausage, sandwich, hold the cheese. I don't even know what that means, but it sounds delicious. Finally, Rich from Lovely Cleveland was skeptical about how a bot could help with shopping, so tried out the new H&M bot on kick and was surprised. Here's a couple takeaways. On the pro side, Rich says the bot does a good job establishing a fashion profile when you first engage. It's surprisingly fast and he likes that it gives you a complete outfit and the full price with a link to purchase. On the downside, its build is being able to input one item of clothing and build an outfit around it, but it was a pretty on rail experience. Laser and suit didn't work. He had good luck with sneakers though. Also, there's no way to state color preferences. Number two, he wishes it would let you give your size up front so they don't suggest items that are out of stock for you. Number three, no way to preference item on clearance to say like, really, I just want the sale items. No integrated payment system either. It kicks you out of the site once you decided to buy something. But Rich says my biggest issue will be how they balance getting me to engage with the bot versus it being a spam machine. So I don't want it to send me a message if there's a general sale, but if a shirt I've told it I like goes on sale, I do want to know that. Overall, I'm actually impressed it works as well as it does, but I don't know if it's something I'll use in its current state to do actual shopping. You know, we certainly have had bot fever, not only on this show, but in the tech press writ large, I feel like what we see as bots right now, speaking on April 7th, 2016, will be very different than where we talk about. I feel like there are going to be three or four just rad bots that we will understand to have gotten it that will set the template for noble first efforts like the H&M one that just kind of don't get these little things. Cause again, it's so comparatively easy to program this stuff cause you don't need to make a front end. You know, you don't need to think about UI beyond, you know, what the input is coming in, which I think greatly plays to the strength of most engineers who think like that and not necessarily in the larger context where sausage fingered morons like me muck things up. Again, delicious. All right. Thank you, Justin, Robert Young, politics, politics, politics, night attack, weird things.com. What else you got going on these days? Well, how about this? Go ahead and check it out. If you enjoy a nonpartisan in that there is no rooting interest for me. I'm like the guy that shows up to the Super Bowl that just wants to root for a high scoring competitor. Let's go football. Exactly. Listen, I enjoy the game. I love every inch of it. I enjoy the strategy. 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It's good? It's good? What are we gonna call it? Yeah, your talking of sausages makes me wanna have a sausage. Like, not Jimi Dean. Jimi Dean only makes the patty sausage. Do you make the link? Like, link sausages. Yeah, Jimi Dean makes links. The brown don't, yeah. We have Farmer John down here. That's what I wanted. They used to sell them up here and they stopped. No, I wonder why. Cause Vince Gully does the ads. Farmer John sausages. It could be Jimi Dean just shoe horn himself into the market. Titles? Man. Do you what? Moe shoe horning. Top is Her Majesty's Royal Sticker Inspection Service. Let's see, Yahoo, Japan Not Included, Real Drivers Driving Virtual Trucks, comma, Virtual Drivers Driving Real Trucks. Don't call it a comeback. The circle of encryption. The queen is not amused with her sticker. Yeah, I'm just gonna stop you right there. We're not going to put a headline that refers in any way to the Tyrone family. Smart, smart move. Yeah. Stagnatized. Trucking across Europe as it's a convoy, three printers barely out of home brew. Nothing really, he's tickling my fancy hair. Yahoo, Japan Not Included's pretty good. Reddit tries to grow up. Reddit tries to get mature. No, no. I think Yahoo, Japan Not Included, that's great. Okay. Yes, no. Yahoo, Japan Not Included. Can you imagine if you just waltzed into, I mean LA is considered to be like the fourth largest Thai city in the world because of all the Thais that live there. So I can imagine you put that like an anti-royalist or something that could be construed to be anti-royalist. You just walk around a Thai town, looking for a restaurant for dinner and it's snatched, feraled away into a van. Just be brought before the court. But not before a delicious meal of pad thai. I'm so hungry. I'm so hungry. Yeah, I did not know that. I think LA has the largest population of Thais outside of Thailand. Really? Yeah. Just be careful what you say, Tom. They're her majesty's. Let's talk about Turkey, the founder of Turkey too, while we're at it. Aw. What other countries have horribly, not horribly, but strict laws on what you can say about their leaders? Wait, was some of the Emirati kind of like the Emirates is pretty strict on that? I think Jordan is too. I don't remember. Who else says royalty that you can't diss? Turkey doesn't have royalty, but you can't do it. North Korea probably does. It's a good point to explore. North Korea? Oh, no, Myanmar is no longer on that path. No, actually, they have a, what is Aung San Suu Kyi's title? She's not. Presidential counselor, something counselor. She said she would work through the leadership. Yeah, they gave her a position. It's something counselor. Yeah, she's not, she won't be a legal, legally, she won't send her like that. She's already a minister. They've done her thing. Yeah, that's all happened. Yeah, so she can't do it again. She actually had like five ministries that she had taken on. She dropped two of them, two or three of them. And so she's a minister and she got a special position. And when the assembly voted, all of the military representatives voted against it. But everyone else voted for it. So essentially that's the new position of power now. Question is, in the future, would someone who is not Aung San Suu Kyi get that position or is that something that's gonna go away when she goes away? It should probably go away when she goes away. It's, I mean, I understand the reasons for that happening, but, you know, political situations as they grow and change, things should ideally not- T2T2 says, in South Korea, you can sue for defamation even if it's true. Actually, a lot of countries you can. Like the concept of it being true- So if I say Justin has a scraggly dirty beard and it's true. Yeah, which it isn't. Well, I mean, in some countries in Western Europe, and that hurt his character that he could sue me. Say, I know it's true, but you shouldn't be telling people that. Like I remember, and this was a year, this is decades ago, I'm not sure that this ruling still works. A restaurateur sued a food critic because he said something bad about the food. That was true. But he said that it destroyed his and therefore the restaurant's reputation, causing him lost business and the court sided with him. So, yeah. I think our first amendment is what stops that here. Well, actually, you know, that's true because in Canada, you used to be able to sue for certain things. State counselor. That's on some sues. State counselor. Does she have to wear a Deanna Troy-like outfit? I don't think so, but I like the Star Trek reference there. Counselor to my ready room. Isn't this just the side room on the next of the bridge? It's a pretty big bridge. And then instead of Prime Minister, it's number one. Yeah. Wait, what was the show? Wasn't there a bit of show called Numbers? Something like that. No, yes, minister. I'm thinking yes, minister. That's number one. Gotcha. So Slack opened up its Trello project management board for anyone to look at and see what's on their roadmap. Wait, what? Yeah, those are all words that I just said. Slack, the communication app, has taken its Trello, which is a project management service, where you move things around like cards and opened it up for anyone to look at so that you can see what Slack is planning on developing, like what projects they're working on. You see one thing that's a big square with a question mark, it has fortress of solitude next to it. Serious, those are all words. Do you guys want to pull together and buy a Yahoo? Sure. How much could it possibly be? A couple of million. I might be able to probably, if we bought it and we had access to all the engineers, I could probably find my password that I always forget. I would have to sell my car, though, just to cover the initial payment. That'd be worth it, though. Yeah, sure. That'll solve your housing problem. You could just live at the campus. I will. They have an LA version. And then they could have, oh, that'd be awesome. I just bike from office to office. Or I could be more daring and learn how to unicycle. Wasn't that a thing for the longest time? I remember. Dude, I'm supporting my Unicycle Football League t-shirt from San Marcos, Texas. Nice. Go what? Go check out my adventures at the Discovery VR app in 360. But does the Unicycle team have a nickname, like the Unis or something? Well, no, it's a league. So what's your favorite team? Oh, I was on the corn, something corn, corn cob, something. OK. Go, corns. Yeah, no, I played. I'm a veteran. So you're a potential Hall of Famer, is what you're saying. Well, I snapped the ball twice, because that involves the least unicycling. On one of my snaps, I caused a fumble. OK. So is it played just like football, or is it more like Ultimate Frisbee? No, it's football in that it resets every down. And you hike the ball. So you are, I mean, it's probably easier if you actually just go look at the video. But you hike the ball back to the quarterback, right? The quarterback is up on the Unicycle, as are both of the receivers. It's four on four, I believe. And then at that point, you play football. Like, it's any other kind of football down where you are, the quarterback's trying to either run it himself or throwing it. And you are down when you get knocked off your Unicycle. So people tackle on a Unicycle. Oh, it's fairly brutal, man. Like, I thought it was going to be something like, we literally, that was the first day of shooting for the VR stuff with Brian and I. And the first thing we went to was a drum circle. And it was very, very, very drum circle-y. And then we did the Unicycle football, which we thought would be just as twee. But that was definitely far more on the football side of Texas and less of the keep Austin weird Unicycle element of it. It was like an athletic feat for which people took very seriously. Did you just use the word twee? I did. I heard, Nate Langson, well, I may not have been Nate, might have been his co-host, in text message used that word this weekend. Is that word gaining currency? Or is it just? I always thought of it as something that was kind of old. Yeah, no, exactly. So when I heard it on text message, I was like, oh, well, that's kind of digging out an old obscure word. You know, that's kind of cool. But then you just said it. And I was like, wait, that's twice in a week. That's starting to seem, I know that's not a good data set. I get that. The pinnacle of twee, I would say, would be late odds in description of like Wes Anderson movies or Joss Whedon or Bell and Sebastian or all that stuff. Yeah, you've still got a hipster belly at that point. A hipster belly. Well, I guess that's the thing is it was kind of before hipster became the catch-all. Right. Umbrella for that entire. Or it is kind of a shaming word of like, oh, like how manly are you when you are talking about all these silly, frilly affectations. But I mean, that's every subculture in existence is all about the affectations. Oh man, the president's coming to LA again. I was that going to screw up the airport? Yeah, well, a lot of times they come to Santa Monica. So it screws up my neighborhood. I heard, didn't they buy a house out there somewhere? Like, or was that just rumor? Like after he's out of office to move into somewhere in Southern California? All I know is one day I was out jogging. And as I came up the street, I saw the cops had started to shut down the road for him. And I was like, oh, crap, I'm not going to have to turn it around. But I was able to skirt past it. Break it the law. Break it the law. All right, gang. I will talk to you. All right, thank you for being here. It's a good show. Good stuff. Take care. Almost done uploading. It's slow today. That'd be weird, though, if he did. He'd be hands up being like a distant neighbor of yours. Every time you go to, like, your favorite brunch place, there's, like, Secret Service just hanging around. I was like, where are all these guys in here for? I just want my croissant ham and cheese sandwich. And I like ham, egg, cheese sandwich. Ham, egg, cheese sandwich. I got to. There's only one road closure that's going to affect me. And it's only for an hour in the evening, so it's not too bad. I'm going to stop complaining. I remember. I remember I missed it because I wasn't here. When the president of France, Hollande, showed up at the Red 3 building. Not at the office, but the building. And I talked to a Liz. I was like, yeah, I didn't know who he was. Like, tell us the president of France. He's not very popular right now, but he's the president of France. I guess he was talking to the atelier and a couple of the other French business slash startups in that building. Oh, cool. All right, thanks, everybody, for watching. We'll talk to you tomorrow with Shannon Morse and Len Berolter. Awesome.