 So plants have a soul and a consciousness. Do you think plants are self-aware? Tell me about the ghee. You know how much suffering is in the dairy industry. Well, I only get grass-fed from very specific farms. So if you feed the cow grass, do you think that stops the suffering? Food here, everyone. It's free, so that should sell it enough. You want some burgers? Fishless fillets, vegan, really good, crunchy, tasty with vegan cheese. Okay, yeah, you can come and take a look when you want. You want some food, brother? I'm already vegan. You're a vegan? Why is there so many vegans here? I mean, I'm not actually, I do have honey and I have ghee, you know what I'm saying? Oh, ghee. Ghee is from a cow. Oh, well, ghee. Well, this isn't a vegan, this is a vegetarian. Because honey and ghee are vegetarian foods. Yeah, but I barely eat them. You barely eat them? So, what about you? Are you a vegan? I'm not. So you're a meat eater? Yeah. But she lives with me. I give all these facts all the time. You do? I mean, I mostly eat vegetarian food. You do? We are eating vegetarian food. Hello, would you like a fish sandwich? It doesn't have actual fish in it. They make from? They're fishless fillets. Yeah, I'm also curious to see what's in that. Oh, maybe let me not take your plate. You can keep the plate. It's paper. It will just decompose. No, no, no. It's fine. Okay, you're welcome. And you would like one too? Because we want you to try the vegan food. Because I know you say that you've heard the information, but we're trying to get people to stop abusing fish through their lifestyle. We fish through pain and they don't want to die. My thing is people should just not need to even find, like there are enough substitutes for protein and your vegetables and your rice. You don't actually need to have soy substitute. Yeah, but what if someone wants a fish burger? We don't want them to abuse the fish. And then we say, okay, we can have some beans and fruit. And they're like, well, I don't want beans and fruit. I want a burger. So then we say, well, instead of killing the animals and torturing the animals, you can have a burger, but just made of this. Yeah, but like the soy, for example. What's the matter with soy? The industry, the soy industry is pretty... It's bad for the environment. Yeah, and it's really corrupt. It's because they're feeding all the soy to the animals. That's why. And also like the whole ready made, the fact that Monsanto owns most of the soy. That soy is going to these animals here in animal agriculture. So most of the soy on earth has been fed to the chickens and the cows. But I'm just saying the way that the using soy protein is like, for me, the best alternative is still not using the soy protein. I know you're doing like step one, but I'm... But what's so bad about soy in and of itself? Is it because they're deforestation for soy? It's the way it's grown in itself. Soy is a bean, you know that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what about edamame beans? Do you think that that's bad? I love that. I know, I know, I love soy. I love tempeh, I love... So what about organic soy, for instance? What's the problem with organic soy? No, there's no problem with organic soy. Okay, so you think that... But it's very... If you look at how much soy Monsanto owns and how they have changed the soy to be resistant to their pesticide, which is what they use, it's quite like the soy itself. Yeah, I understand that the soy that's being grown in that way is being fed to animals that people eat for meat. So it's not like the soy that we're eating isn't coming from these mass... It is actually, it should look. It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is. So you mean the soy oil or something like this? Yeah, the soy that we eat, we consume. Most of it Monsanto has bought over all over the world. Soy is imported from China. The ones that humans eat. Yeah, yeah. So, but I'm just saying we eat a fraction, a minor percentage of the soy that the animals in animal agriculture are eating. So there's 50 billion chickens on earth. We're both a Greek. Yeah, yeah. We're saying that it's a bad industry. But like it's only... And that we could find alternatives to even use a substitute, ones that aren't owned by Monsanto. Oh, yeah, yeah. But like a lot of the soy that is in tofu, for instance, it's just organic soy. Is it? Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah, well, I've got tofu in here. It's organic soy. Like we don't eat from the same place that the chickens eat their soy from. Well, most of the soy that people just get in restaurants and stuff is the same. I don't know. Well, I would say that most of the soy that Monsanto are growing is going to like animals in animal agriculture. Just statistically, there's 74 billion land animals. There's only 7 billion humans. But they're still growing soy. They're still going to humans. You should check that. No, I'll check that. I don't think plant foods are the problem. I think I use the plant foods are the problem. Are you seizing? No, like if we eradicate our use of animals, right? We won't be growing tons of soya. So why would we need monocrops, for instance? Why would we need that? We wouldn't need that for just this fraction. Because people want to eat dairy coming from cows, which they need to be fed a bunch of soy. Like for example, impossible burger, whatever. You know the impossible meat. And what's the matter with this? That's owned by Monsanto. That's patented by them because they provide the soy for those burgers. I don't know anything about impossible. I know about Beyond Burger, but they use pea protein in Beyond Burgers. Yeah, but what impossible meat or whatever. I don't know if it's made from soya, but like I don't actually promote the Impossible Burger because they actually tested on a few animals and killed them. I'm not saying you do, but I'm just saying that. Yeah, yeah, but I don't demonize soya because I believe people lump all soya in together. When it's not all soya is equal. What I don't like is actually just like processed foods. Yeah, yeah, but like we have different battles. See, processed food to me is a personal choice. Okay, like you can choose to smoke cigarettes. It's harming you. I wouldn't agree with that. I don't want you to harm yourself. But when we stab animals in the neck so that we can steal the dairy from their bodies, because that's what happens to all dairy cows, they go to a slaughterhouse and they get minced up into burgers so other people can eat them, even if the vegetarians don't. I know, I know. You're trying to convince the people who eat meat. I'm already not one of those people. And I think soya, when we demonize soya over like, let's just say I was eating organic chicken and someone else was eating a Monsanto soya, I would still say I would prefer you to eat the Monsanto soya over stabbing that chicken in the face. You know what I mean? So I think I differed. Yeah, yeah. So you'd prefer the chicken get their head cut off but I would rather eat the non-sentient plant food that doesn't suffer. It's still sentient. Plant is sentient? What do you think sentience is? Sentient is to like have consciousness, to have a soul, to have vital life force. All plants. So plants have a soul and a consciousness. Do you think plants are self-aware? They might be. No, do you believe they are? I think they're sentient. Okay, sentient, you know, like see me and you how we're experiencing this reality right now. And like you're in the world and you're aware of the world. Yeah. Do you think that this blade of grass here is aware of that they're in the world? Like if I step on it, they suffer? I think they have a divine intelligence, yes. No, no, not intelligence is different to sentience. You know that, right? But I think they're sentient, yes. I think they're sentient. Intelligence like is like a calculator is intelligent, but it's not sentient. It can calculate. I think a calculator is like a mechanical intelligence. Yeah. But I think that all these things around us are sentient beings. Do you think like a carrot, for instance, is the same sentience as a pig? I think they both are sentient beings, and it's the way that we... And they suffer the same? Do you think they suffer the same? Be to say which stuff is more... Well, do you think like if you had a human being, do you think a human being and a carrot suffer the same? So would you rather me hurt the carrot over the person? Or which one? You wouldn't choose? Would you say, look, if there's a choice right now between... I'm not saying... What you say, the way is like this or that, x or y... No, well, I'm trying to figure out whether you actually believe that a carrot... I think it's ridiculous. A carrot doesn't have a brain and nervous system. They don't have consciousness. We can test this with science. Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem. Yeah. That we have like limited our idea of... Pain. And ecology to like, to hierarchies. And we need to be thinking about the soil... But do you think like there should be hierarchies of like value, so like that rock should not be held to the same, you know, degree of moral standard as that dog, like... Imagine if we did hold it to all the... A rock. Imagine if we did. But why would we care about a rock? I'm just saying it's part of the ecosystem. Imagine if we did. If we cared about a rock? If imagine if we cared about all sentient beings in the same way. And so our way of... Sentient beings, yes. But I don't think a rock is sentient. This is what I mean. We don't need to agree on that. Yeah. I'm already very genuine. Yeah, we don't need to agree on whether a rock is a conscious being. Yeah. I mean, I would beg to differ with you. I think that that's... I understand. We can't compare a rock to like a bird. Yeah, that's where you are. You know, if someone taught a bird, I would stop them. Someone kicked a rock, I don't care. And I'm sure if I kicked a rock, she'd probably say, whatever, it's a rock. Like I'm standing on the ground right now standing on the grass and you're not pushing me off of it. Yeah. So I think like we have this idea about sentient supplants, but we don't actually believe it because if I was like kicking the ground now, like you don't think I'm hurting the grass or anything. I think it's a value system with which we like engage with our surroundings. I might be like stepping on the grass right now, but it's the way in which I'm holding myself which I'm consuming all sorts of things. Like it's a full value system and it's not just me standing on this ground. I'm doing it with utmost respect. But it's about where we get our food from, how things... Tell me about the ghee. I want to tell... Tell me about the ghee. You know how much suffering is in the dairy industry? Well, I only get grass fed like from very specific farms. So if you feed the cow grass, do you think that stops the suffering? From of what? Like if a cow eats grass, do you think that stops their suffering? I think there can be a reciprocal relationship between plants and humans, between animals and... But in the dairy industry, you know they take the calf away. Yeah, but not everyone is doing that. This is not an industry. There are a lot of small farms and like small people... Like small... That don't take the calf away to take the milk? How are they going to sell the milk? How are they going to make a profit of the milk if the calf drinks it? I don't know. Yeah, so they have to take the calf away. They have to impregnate the cows and when the cows don't produce milk anymore, they don't go to a sanctuary. They go to the slaughterhouse. They have to impregnate them. They have to impregnate. Cows have to be... Have had a baby to produce milk just like you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think there are like different ways in which that can happen. No, there's not. They artificially inseminate them with the fist. I can actually show you. Is this it here? Yeah, small farms do the same. It's the same process just on a smaller scale. So they will stick the fist, their whole entire arm inside the anus of the cow to hold the cervix. And then they take the semen from a bull but they use an electric ejaculator to ejaculate the male bull through the anus. It's a system. It's perverted. And then they inject the semen into the female. But you know like everyone makes a choice... And this is a calf slaughterhouse. They expand that you're driving. Where did the minerals? Where did the materials come? This is plastic, the paper. Everything has come from somewhere that's affected the land, animals, and fish and stuff around them. Every single... Yeah, I don't think we can live without... I don't think we can live without causing harm. There's not every single choice that you make. I think there's degrees though. Do you believe that like if I were to like just say attack this dog right now and eat their body, that that would be the same as me purchasing a plastic table? Morally. Like I'm asking you morally. Like there are choices that I can make right now that which... There are some things that are in our face. There are some things that are in our face and some things that aren't. And so we can pretend to be disconnected when we don't see where something is coming from, how it's being processed, and that's the case with the meat. Let's just say with the dairy, right? Let's stick to dairy because we're talking about the ghee in that. Let's just say... There are so many things. Let's just say there's a... I don't really... Let's talk hypothetically. I really respect what you're doing where you're coming from. Well, I just want to... We disagree. I appreciate the bogo. I'm going to walk away. What's Gigi's bogo? I appreciate your bogo. Oh, burger. I thought you were telling me some type of language. I thought you were saying something really like spiritual to me, like... And you're blessing me before you left. But you said the... I appreciate the burger. Sorry. I appreciate the bogo. No, that's okay. I like discussing these things. I like to get... I like fil... Well, not really. It's good. No, it's good. It's good. I like it. This is me, like normally. And that's what you're doing. I get philosophical. Yeah, because I believe that like... If you're enslaved and someone was hurting you for the milk and I went and paid for it, I believe I'll be paying for slavery and I'll be protecting... Like I would want an activist to defend you and I'm that activist. I wish that we were so thoughtful about every single thing that we purchased and that we consumed because like, for example, the Heinz product company is a huge multinational that has a lot of cheap people. They kill tomatoes. No, it's not about... It's about how they treat humans. It's about the way they... I know Heinz is an Australian company. So big deal. They have factories all over the world. They think they're abusing people in Heinz. Look at Heinz and the way that they create factories. Any multinational company... Are they abusing people at Heinz? Do you have... Can you show me videos of that? Because we've got videos of the dairy industry here. Well, we should all do our own research and look at the Heinz company because I'm pretty sure that any big... Are they enslaving people at Heinz? Just... Just... Just wanted to... They might be, but I want to know if they are because I can guarantee you that cows are enslaved and killed in the dairy industry. I didn't come to this place with all my facts. I came with the tool in the park. Next time I'll come. You'll come with your Heinz slavery fa... If you show me that Heinz has slavery, I'll boycott Heinz for you tomorrow. All right. So there we have it. Look at the beautiful view here. This is what we were looking at where we did the stands for change here. Amazing and, you know, promoting marine animal rights, getting people to leave the fish alone. We also don't forget about the other animals there. We never forget about the other animals. I think everyone loved those Gardein fishless fillets. Again, not sponsored. Trying to help the fish. That's all we're doing here. And there was a very positive reaction from people. I don't think I've ever done a stands for change with so many vegans that walked up in my entire life. It was just like, oh, hey, like, I'm expecting to say vegetarian. It's not, no, vegan, vegan, vegan. Like all the young girls that were here were vegan. So that's a really positive thing. Bondi Beach breeds a lot of vegans. Put the ocean behind us with the little fishies in there. And I'm not going to tell you where we're going, but you have to come along for the adventure. So let's do it.