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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind There's only one place to go My top might pop with your hosts Sal to Stephan. Oh Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews Get on Justin put the phone down Justin We're all unplugging. I can't wait till we're so rich that Doug can just sit up there and just like drink a glass of Scotch and like fucking have a good time with the big all right guys It's time to start this shit pour me another double double malt over there I want to get so rich that he's drinking like baby seal blood or something Some endangered species get on like $10,000 sunglasses for no reason like what are you eating over there? You're like, oh, this is a this is a panda meat Panda meat. Yeah, that's really good. That's what I'm gonna do when we from China We're gonna buy him some badass like Paul Schaefer type glasses But his own style like that are like right like chrome hearts, dude Those are like $3,000 sunglasses. I'm gonna get you chrome hearts. Yeah I know what you're gonna do. You're gonna buy everybody. He needs leather pants useless expensive shit. You've talked about this so many times No, I'm not gonna buy you that own sharks real. Yeah, I'm not gonna buy that for you It would be a waste Really tall trees Yeah, you're like what the fuck do I do now I got my giraffe you know I have frankly that's so funny because you'd be like it's almost more of a hassle to get rid of it Fuck dude, you son of a bitch like do I really want to get rid of it or did I just try and feed and walk this day? What do I do with it? Do you walk it? Do you walk a giraffe walk into my house as a lion in a cage in the middle of the living room What the fuck happy birthday, dude, so I can see we can I know you I know you guys are you guys are probably wondering why my hair looks so tight Oh, it's so nice. Yeah, what happened? What happened? My friend. Is that one of those mistakes where they go? Oops, that was a little bit shorter than we know So I went to so my son needed it and he's it short doesn't look bad. I'm gonna fuck Here's the deal. I realized something a while ago. I used to go to an expensive stylist good friend of mine By the way, and he's a fucking amazing. He does an amazing job But my hair is so basic and I am I mean and let's be honest. I really don't care anyway But and it was expensive your hair cut says that who cares So then I went to the $20 barber and he cut it and it wasn't as good, but it was good enough, right? So I'm like fuck it. I'm just gonna pay, you know, I'm just gonna go to supercuts from now Who cares right so with my son yesterday? He needed a haircut and if you guys recall when you guys were kids You know Adam, this is I know you something you remember You are we had a lot of hair and I grew really fast Have fun memories over that so Are you know your hair grows fast when you're a little boy, right? And so my son's got like this mop head so I'm like, all right, let's go get a haircut and The barber was closed yesterday So I'm like, why am I gonna go and then I remember there was a place called sport clips or sports I think it's good for clips. Have you been there? Yeah, okay? So like lockers and you're looking at sports I love the most like sexist towards men thing I've ever been in my entire life. It's a brilliant business model Actually was it was just was started like a year before when I was creating I was writing a business plan for a hair salon called top-off and They were our number one like Competitor if you were to if I was gonna say had a computer but dude So I go in there and this is what they do that they're obviously trying to attract men, right? So it's like, yeah, you know, it's a place for guys or whatever So you go in there and they just try too hard They have seating so that it looks like you're at a sporting event and there's like a big-screen TV with sports on and it's like all This sport memorabilia and it's like they try they try really hard to attract like men because apparently all men like sports Right except for me and then just immediately made you uncomfortable, but not a single male barber. It's all like if you went to supercuts It's all Vietnamese women cutting your hair just like at supercuts same thing Yeah, then nobody speaks really good English and you go in there great You know they do the thing but there's no difference between this and supercut except it says sports everywhere No, it's brilliant marketing. It's not because it's more expensive Fucking brilliant is what it is. They are huge You need to go to the hipster ones where they have they all have like crazy stylized Beards in their eyebrows and their hairs all like ridiculous Like I saw one of those when I was down in San Luis Obispo and they give you the straight razor and they do like the hot Hot wax and they pull out your nose hairs with the hot wax Shit, it's dude. I'll tell you some awesome There's a huge need in the market for this especially where we're at say Silicon Valley in San Francisco I think it should be a real barbershop. Yeah This is what we had designed right so this was actually we were trying to be K Sports clips is kind of like what I would call like the hooters of haircut, right? That's what they are and we were trying to be like more of the upscale version of that So, you know, I my goal was to get a very like, you know, manly man But to do kind of metrosexual things and so, you know right now Like if you're a guy and you go get your nails done and you get your hair done like by actual salon Or if you get like lined up with your beard It's kind of on this like metrosexual side But dude, there's nothing wrong with keeping your hairline tight with cleaning all your shit up Like I there's nothing like feminine about that like it's just taking care of yourself And for a long time that we've really as we've really made fun of men for doing that And you've seen this pendulum swinging and there's a huge market for Appealing to this type of a guy. So the business plan that we had I'd written back in 2000 and About eight or nine was called top off and the concept was you would walk into this place and you know So imagine sports clips without all the sports bullshit But like a real high-end look so we had a design to where like the floors are like this kind of like garage Like laminated like concrete type floors and then the sides of the walls were That sheet metal look along the outside and then each one of the salon each one of the stations were The were the girls would keep all their stuff Would be the red toolboxes like you would have like in a garage like the red toolbox You know where the drawers are all the women would wear cut-off jean shorts And then they would have their the where they'd keep their all their scissors tools Everything would be in a tool belt look like a leather tool belt that they wear on so they have like this whole construction We just wear pasties. Well, no the top They're actually tops I had designed were like these cute bikini tops that said top off But it was very classy like so the idea was to very class super classy Oh, it was it wasn't it's doesn't maybe doesn't sound like it the way you're envisioning the way It was drawn up in the amount of money that we had I mean it was gonna be a quarter million dollars just for the build out for all this so it wasn't gonna be chintzy at all I don't know. I just well this was during the air to with the that one coffee shop that like had the That was like sort of their gimmick, right that that opens up. Yeah, the girls in McKinney Trouble though hot. No, there's like 60 of those here in sounds. Yeah, but get a bunch of them get it's noted No, I thought some we got shut down because it was like they try to like stuff There's there's that's a whole another business and yeah market I would want I would want one more like like we saw over there with the the six cigar bar So it's like so it's like a gentlemen's club where it's got like, you know, but that I mean there's room for that, too Obviously, I'm just saying that like for me personally like I keep looking for a barber shop That's like, you know, it's like it's like a it's like a gentleman's club, you know So you go in and you smell all those kind of mahogany's would yes, you know, yeah I see you could smoke a cigar that think of that think of a blend of What you're probably envisioning that I'm saying right now with a like real high-end cigar lounge like that type of feels very masculine yeah, and Manly but then very high-end and they would do everything you could do lining your beard up can do they you get your scalp Massage all kinds of I'm all for it. Yeah, you'd have to and they'd be really be high-priced So this would not be like trying to compete with sports clips Those are the only people that were doing something that was appealing to the similar market as I was but I also wanted to capture I wanted to capture the metrosexuals and this and the guys that are like manly manly men would actually come into these places because and The only appeal that would be like sports clips is the still you would have the hairstylist be good-looking women That would be cutting hair, but they couldn't just be a You know, what should we call it? I gotta do a good job Because it has to be when I went to like it was sports clips or it was like the other one supercuts I walked out there, and I was like feeling my head. They gave me like a yarmulke Like this huge patch that was like on the very like on my cowlick, you know I was like what in the fuck like I was like, do I go back in there? Your hair up yours is easy. Oh, you get a real short and just keep it short man Nice and tight and faded. It's a done deal. Yeah, what'd you guys do this weekend? I went to The weekend. Oh, that was actually you went to what you went to the weekend. Yeah, he was in the weekend Yeah, it was like three levels of weekend. He's an he's an artist. Oh, yeah, he sings music Fucking rad concert. Yeah, probably Probably crack top five. I don't know who that is. You don't know who the weekend is you do actually so the starboy tour The starboy so I don't know the weekend. He makes fun of me. You don't know the weekend. He's like, oh, no No, it's okay, Justin. No listen, I'll take you through Dick Yeah, no, I'll play some of his music, but what is it? What do you mean? What kind of music genre? Yeah, R&B rap hip-hop He's kind of what makes him a little more unique than mostly just regular guys is he can actually fucking sing too So he can rap and he can sing he does a lot of stuff. He just yeah, I think he had G easy come up on his last tour he did some stuff with He did a song with Kendrick Lamar He's probably one of your the last two albums. He's put out as some of the best Pop R&B type music that's out there right now on the radio. So he's he's a big deal right now So I know you guys don't follow that that genre at all, but good shit though Really good stuff and it was probably one of the better performances. I've seen and I've seen quite a few concerts So it was it was top-notch. I was actually really impressed with it. I Did that and I did something else, you know, it's interesting along those lines I was watching Netflix and my wife was gone this whole weekend. So I just did a shit ton of stuff We'll get to that but this one documentary about design and there was There was this lady Trap does something or other but she was a set designer and she's done everything from you to to Beyonce Jay-Z and she creates like all of that stuff that you go to watch at the concerts Like how you visually see like these glowing Boxes and like remember when we're at you to how cool that was like how they had this like catwalk and then you walked through The lights and then the lights like told the story the whole thing through that So she designs all that kind of stuff and like explain her process with all that and then like dude She's so out of the box thinking if you watch I highly recommend it. It just it was like blowing my mind like how You know, she comes up with these ideas and they're all like six. Yeah, I love see I enjoy shows I mean god You went to you too, which is in my if not in my opinion a lot of people's opinion That's been to a lot of concerts is the best is one of the best concert you could ever go to I mean, they're they're just a spectacle in itself. I'm not even a YouTube fan Like I don't listen to you to music, right? But they're so like my you know, Bruce who's the connection I have with The SAP center. He's seen hundreds of concerts. I've probably seen a hundred myself maybe a little more and You too is it's like all these concerts like week the weekend was awesome. Probably in my top five Maybe at least top ten for sure He then there's you too. It's in there. They're they're they're in their own class of their own like then nobody comes close to them like They though this and that's because the performance they put on and like the level that they are they come in with all their Own stuff and they take over the entire stadium You could literally be somebody who is deaf and you could fucking enjoy the show and you know because it's it's such a visual Person, you know, it's off the charts I mean if that's I tell people all the time like go see that even if you're not even a fan of the music Yeah, because they put on such an amazing show You also you went to Santa you went to the boardwalk, didn't you? Oh, yeah Is that crazy or what down there? There were so many people reason oh my god, but dude because the weather was just fantastic and I Honestly avoided at all costs, especially when it's like that nice because I know it's gonna be ridiculous and crowded and so My wife had left for like a couple days for this weekend. She went to go visit somebody actually in Idaho near Spokane and And so I was just like I gotta get out of the house. I gotta do stuff, you know constantly So I took them all over the place But then you know, they're like they always want to go to the boardwalk Courtney hates being around crowds of people So she'll never go so I'm always the guy that they're like dad. It's our time, you know, let's go the boardwalk Okay, and so I just was like, you know what let's go hard Let's like do it like and do it 100% and so we got like, you know Unlimited rides like all three of us and like we're just hopping left the ride all these different rides every ride we could get on we got on and They convinced me I I ate ahead of time like a healthy meal beforehand too because I was like I don't want to eat any of their shit. They got there. It's like awful fun. Okay. Oh my god It's didn't you just feel like corn dogs are the healthiest thing they have there Yeah So that was the deal I was like, okay, we got to eat first and then we'll go and it was so hot all I ended up buying there was water and And they really really want to get their face painted. I was just like really you want to do that? Look at your face paint I was like, all right, you know, they're not asking me for ice cream or anything. They're just like I really want to get my face Pain so my oldest he gets his face painted like this scary like day of the dead like like Skull, right? He's he's seven years old my youngest. He of course, he does like this Batman, you know cool Batman Sign on his face. It was like really cool, but my oldest He's so funny because he owns this like this the skull face He's walking around he starts like trying to intimidate people and he's like looking and staring him down Like you got stuff doing that We're in line and he's just like like kind of staring off in this little girl like from the distance kind of looks over And she's like like like hugs her mom, you know And he looks over and then he sees that she's like pointing at him and look at him And then so he's just like staring at her, you know, like really creepy. He's like look at her I'm like I'm like hitting him like you're scaring her Look straight ahead, but on the inside you're like that's what I was dying It was funny. It was so funny because he was owning it You know, he's walk around all tough and like, you know staring people down is pretty funny Yeah, that's great. We had a good time. We went and hiked whatchamacallit San Antonio San Antonio Rancho. Is that a nice actually that that was cool. So Yeah, because the other ones of yeah after after our and it's still a you know It was warm outside and I got a little a little sweat going on There's enough of a climb that you you get up you feel like you get a little bit of a work I was perfect, but I could talk like so we brought my my my best friend and his girl were up in town And we all this after the night of weekend where the girls got fucked up, right? So we take the girls all the sweet they drank till they was out of alcohol and they were all hung over But they rallied up and said hey, we because we had planned okay after we all go out and have a good time We're gonna go do this hike the next day So we all did and I was a little skeptical after the experience with Mission Peak and how miserable that was That I was like, you know what if we're gonna do you give me to do this hike thing Which I'm not a huge fan of as it is I want to be able to like enjoy the company of my friends like I'm gonna I don't want to be like Like that's not I'm not into that right now, you know, especially when you're the fitness guy And so this one was great, you know this one I could I could walk and we could talk we had a good time So that was definitely up my alley dude I got actually almost I almost forgot to tell you guys this so one of the great thing about young kids Is that they're super honest and it's it's can be oh, yeah, it could be Hilarious and uncomfortable and uncomfortable. Yeah, so so my you know my girlfriend was cooking dinner for me and the kids the other night and We know we eat Different than the way my kids will eat when they're with their mom or with their grandma because obviously Their mom is you know, she was born in Italy So she eats she cooks very traditional Italian type foods and so does my mom and my girlfriend Doesn't really cook that way. She's a very good cook in her own right But it's different right and it's more around kind of like, you know Keto lifestyle type of stuff right but when my kids are there she tries to kind of accommodate and My kids are can be a kids in general are very difficult to please when you when you feed them everybody knows dinner times one of the most difficult times with children so My girl went to the good went to the grocery store and she's like I'm gonna buy a bunch of stuff Because I'm gonna see if I can make something that the kids really want to eat and she knows the kids like pasta with pesto So she goes and buys Pesto in the jar she brings it back and she's like oh, I got pesto. I'm gonna make pasta with pesto and I see it And I already know like because they're used to the real deal. I'm like Can't give my Italian kids fucking fake I know I know already like I'm like, okay Let's see what happens, right? So she makes pasta and she puts the you know pot and it's organic and all that stuff But it's in a jar. It doesn't matter like my mom literally picks the fucking leaves from the yard Blends him in her own blender and add your own Pete with everything fresh right from the garden and right like literally that day You eat that pesto. Yeah. Yeah, so there's just nothing in a jar can compare. So anyway, she makes it with with the pasta and My daughter right away is just like I'm not eating this. She just looks at I'm not eating I'm like you got to try a little bit and she takes a look like I don't want this Right at that moment my mom face times me so I'm talking my mom and my mom's like Hey, let me talk to the to the kids right now I'm like, okay, so she's talking to my daughter and she's like hey, she goes Hey, what are you guys eating for dinner? And I'm like, oh, you know, we had pasta with pesto and she goes How did you like it? My daughter's like it was terrible Her exact words it was terrible and my mom's like what do you mean? It was terrible She goes it tastes like nothing it was horrible and then and then and then my daughter I think you know because she's very honest she's like but the chicken was excellent Like she's trying to like be cool You know and and it was it was she did eat all her chicken Yeah, but after that and I was fucking dying dude I was I was cracking up the whole time because you can't get mad at a kid for being honest I know she's not being mean she's just being straight up But you could tell I just was like fuck man I try so hard and make these you know to give them something that they want to eat great And I'm trying to explain to her. I'm like listen. I'm like these kids were raised on You know sauce that you know my mom made you know what I mean from the yard like yeah Like it's not it's just not gonna work. Like just do your thing. Don't worry about You can tell she's like fuck they're never gonna like my I'm like no it's different. I like you're cooking for different things Like it was terrible different road No felt there was no that was no like nice like well it was different How do you when that comes out is it like this this how does your gut feel like right afterwards? You feel you feel bad No, I thought it was funny because it wasn't so did you laugh so hard Laughing so hard because she was just being honest. You did it wasn't she wasn't trying to be mean No, of course not course that she was just trying to be on like little kids I remember one my My who was it wasn't my son? I think my son when he was a little guy And I went and woke him up in bed I think he was like two two and a half maybe and I go to give him a kiss and he looks at me and he goes Your face smells because I had bad breath in the morning when the kids are just honest, dude Yeah, you can't get mad at him for being honest. Yeah, it's nice and raw bird bring her on Today's quads being brought to you by Chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash put the Chimera link at mine pump media dot com and input the Discount code mine pump a check out for 10% off First up is Machi dog yo yo yo So what was your defining moment that changed your why with regards to lifting nutrition and working out? So what do you think they mean about what do they think they will what do you think they mean with this question? Why like why you do these things or like what your motivation is behind there? Yeah, this is an aha moment. Maybe well Yeah, I mean I I mean, okay, so lifting nutrition working out was there was there I mean we talk a lot about how we were driven by insecurities at the very beginning, right? So we all felt a certain way about ourselves. That's what motivated us to initially get to the gym and start lifting weights What mom was there a moment in our life that made us go like it's no longer about that. It's about this That's a good. Yeah, there you go. That's a good way to put it right. Yeah, that's a good way for me There was a there was a couple of them the first one was when I Got into Brazilian jiu-jitsu. So when I first started lifting weights, it was very Compulsive and as Adam said I was driven by the fact that I felt insecure about the way I looked You know inadequate all those different things So I lift the weights to get as big and as strong as possible Because it was like my it was like an identity that I was trying to create Well when I got into Brazilian jiu-jitsu a lot of that weight and size Didn't benefit me because I needed to learn the technique and plus I couldn't move super well And so what I did was I replaced one You know addiction if you will for another and I dedicated myself to jiu-jitsu which meant I kind of broke the chains of Resistance training I still lifted weights But my attachment to it became a little different because now I was training for performance now at this point It still wasn't what I would consider a healthy Relationship with exercise, but it was like a stepping stone. You know I'm saying it's almost like when we get those clients who are Smokers and they quit smoking so then they become addicted to cardio or lifting weights And it's not that you you didn't go from like smoking to like you have this great relationship to exercise You're just replacing one addiction for the other and hopefully you replace it with a better one As a stepping stone. Well, there's and that's kind of what happened with jiu-jitsu for me Like I let my body get lighter. I didn't worry so much about being big because I noticed that I could do better in jiu-jitsu with without getting super super big and So that was a bit of a big moment for me with working out But it was later on that it really changed for me And I was I hate to say this, but it wasn't by choice. It was by I got forced I got forced to reevaluate what nutrition and exercise meant for me because I had Just it felt like out of nowhere and if you know mainly it felt out of nowhere because I ignored all the signs that my body was sending me but I got to a point where I Was just no matter what I ate. I had horrible You know stomach issues horrible like for me. It was basically diarrhea inflammation You know heartburn and like that to change your why huh? Well, absolutely. I mean I mean imagine this imagine losing You know, here's a guy who you know, I got to build muscle. I got to be strong, right and just losing 1215 pounds, you know over the course of a few weeks and There's nothing you could you stop it like I'm eating what I thought was clean. I'm you know, I'm I'm going to the doctor I'm still lifting weights and now I'm trying to take supplements because I'm trying to make up for it and I'm just losing weight and it's just I feel crappy. I look crappy and it was a wake-up call and I at that point I Had to really examine Food from a completely different angle different than just macros calories and the like it. I really had to dig deeper Luckily, I worked with some people who were You know very versed in food intolerances and things like inflammatory, you know bowel issues, you know leaky gut syndrome and I used to scoff at some of the stuff that they would teach and say although I respected it for myself I never would apply it. I Had to I was forced to kind of take their advice and Watch and wait and allow my body to heal and it took me over the course of a year to do so and over that year. I really I Really started to value my health on a different level and that was the beginning of Me really starting to train and exercise For what I consider the right reasons For myself, you know, I could think for me like having a similar kind of of Moment but more from strictly a performance and so performance and kind of Blending into more healthier practices in a more holistic approach is where I ended up but just all those years of training and it was all geared around performance and It was listening to coaches and Just it was really more autopilot. So I lifted I lifted to produce I lifted to Promote whatever it was I was doing in the sport in the time And I trusted the coaches a lot to kind of do the programming for me with that And so what I was really focused on was discipline mental discipline Having the the fortitude having the ability to overcome things and so that was the entire engine that I was running off of was to Have that sort of I could I could be a workhorse and I could work myself harder than everybody around me and That's all that was my go-to throttle for everything that Defined me. So you ignored like signals. Everybody's like this is too hard too hard or like Didn't even know what recovery the word meant. So I think once I started to Understand well, it really took me getting out out of that environment to assess that and Understand that well, I'm not moving as much as I was and so I found I had this like panic Internally and I actually let myself go and I got you know, I got overweight in Rappedly because that intensity if it's at such a Different end of the spectrum that like if you can't maintain that you get depressed and then you don't you're not motivated To go back and attack it right away like I'll get back to that and then I'll get back to that and then it just keeps getting further and further away from you and You know, and it so it took me to to understand myself further like and take take more Reasonable steps towards it and and that that's when I started to realize I was like wow, I still move great I still have good conditioning my body's changing But I'm doing like half of what I was doing before and then I started assessing that further And then that brought me into mobility and then the mobility I started just focusing more on the movement of what I was doing the quality of the movements and I just I could see myself responding even more powerfully in these movements and and it was just I Was it had it had this like sort of aha thing with that like hey What if I did that like mid-season and I planned this out a lot better and oh my god I've been such a better athlete so just hammering myself so hard so There's a there's levels to this shit. That's how I look at it And I don't I don't I think I'm I will forever be defining my why I think early on I Realized for me like I got into fitness Honestly because I was really good in sales and and I put that together really early that So this was selling yourself and I was communicating with people on a daily basis And I kind of fell in love with it and then I kind of convinced myself early on that what a cool job I get to do That the better I get at it and the more I continue to improve the better I get at selling Health and fitness to others. So I was actually very driven Financially and the business side of it. I didn't have like I think I wasn't a kid who was like, you know, I was into sports I like I wasn't like Justin where I had connected those dots early on where I was like so into it I didn't have somebody who was mentoring me and teaching me how to train my body correctly I had bad coaches who had us doing terrible workouts to and so I didn't see any carry over into the Basketball court or whatever sport I was playing at the time So for me when I got into it I was in my 20s and it kind of fell on my lap Like I remember just kind of getting into working out and being interested in that and then Seeing a guy that was a personal trainer at the gym going. Oh, this would be kind of a cool job to do While I went to school And that's how it started and I instantly fell in love with it and why I fell in love with it I fell in love with people and helping people and before that I kind of thought maybe I might go the direction of being like a Counselor at one point and I kind of found real early like well, this is a lot of what my job is like and For me the more like the why for me I'm always trying to challenge myself to do things that are outside my comfort zone and and different like you'll see that I'll never stay You know focused on the same thing. I love to Set a goal that's within this, you know health and fitness world and go after it And I love to go after different boxes like everybody wants to put everybody in this, you know, you're a sports performance guy Oh, you're like a all-natural hippie guy or oh, you're you know, this bodybuilder guy like no Fuck that don't you can't put me in a box because I'll jump out that box within a few months watch So I'm always like priding myself on that box. Yeah, that's right I'm always priding myself on on challenging that and what I what I've I realized and I put together really early was And this is getting to the why part of it is that as I continue to do that I continue to grow and be a better trainer a better human and healthier and so it's like this double win for me It's like wow the more I put myself out of the out of my comfort zone and challenge myself in other avenues of health and fitness I Continue to to grow expand my knowledge I can speak on topics that a year or two before I wouldn't be able to speak on and it just made me a better trainer a better leader a Better communicator and so a lot of my motivation for what I do in in regards to lifting nutrition and working out is To be better at what I do for a living and I really enjoy that I really get a kick out of and I'm right now It's funny. We bring this topic up right now I'm I have a couple things that I'm throwing around right now that I might start to focus on that's I've never done It's totally out of my comfort zone and would challenge me physically and mentally and you know I'm I've been really heavily focused on mobility for the last year and a half or so and not to say like I'm done with that And I'm moving on to something else, but you know entered for American Ninja Warrior. Yeah, right? Yes So, you know, I don't think there was a specific defining moment where it was like this aha for me I think we're always Evolving and I'm always finding the why and I'm always challenging myself to actually evaluate that because you know I remember when we had Erica fit love on the show and she talked about her why and she talked about That moment for her when she was sitting on the couch and she she told her child No, that she wasn't gonna get up and play play with them because she felt so lazy And that was like this huge moment for her that is now catapulted her to where she's at now And I think every all fitness people have similar type stories of like something that maybe jump-started you But to me that's like very that's still at the very beginning like you that first motivator is normally a Major insecurity that drove us to first get into it like we talked about on the show You know what drove me originally was okay. I was the skinny kid and I didn't like being skinny And I want to be more muscular, but that was the very beginning. I feel I've evolved way beyond you have to if you don't You'll you'll stop right? I mean if you don't you'll stop or you'll get sick or you'll hurt yourself right because guys in their mid-30s who still work out Because they're insecure about being skinny Have health problems now because they've been taking you know shit tons of gear and eating all these you know stuff all the time And you know going crazy and we know these guys we know them because I worked with a lot of these guys who were Who just never evolved past that and this is why I challenge people all the time that I meet like when they You know swear by a workout like oh, I love orange theory. Oh, I love CrossFit. Oh, I love doing this Oh, I love doing that like they have their thing that they love and That's all they do and I'm like that's great You know to each their own man if you love taking those classes or you love this modality of training but really man you would really benefit by Weaving in and out as many different modalities and learning about what each of them brings to you and you know It's not about just finding the one like I loved ever like I love training like all mobility type stuff right now I love training to be a competitor. I love training like a powerlifter like I love all those things That's the idea is like you and you learn you learn from each of these, you know I mean I remember years ago. I was gonna go on vacation Somewhere that was sunny and so I said, oh, I want to get you know lean and you know I want to look good for the beach or whatever and it just at the time I was online and I'd always been fascinated by Strong men strong men from you know, like the turn of the century you know before even protein powder supplements, right and There was this website and I can't remember the name of the website I wish I remember because I'd love to plug them and I went on there and they had these books that were written by some of these old strongmen and For shits and giggles. I ordered one of them like this is kind of cool I want to see what this looks like and I noticed that all of them Trained their whole body frequently and it kind of hit me and I'm like I wonder if I took my current workout and I just instead of doing a body part a day I just split I did more frequently and did the same amount of volume for the week And so what I did was I took my whole workout and I divided it in two So now instead of hitting chest once a week I was hitting it twice a week 10 sets each time instead of 20 sets in one workout And I'll never forget like being blown away by my body's progress and every time I've made you know, one of those leaps of Faith and it is a leap of faith because you get stuck, right? You get stuck in your little your little hamster wheel like and you're afraid I don't want to stop 30 minutes of cardio every single day because the second I stop that I'm gonna get fat or I don't want to stop doing my super heavy deadlifts once a week Because if I stop that then I'm gonna lose muscle or if I don't you know If I stop squatting or if I stop or you just justify it because it's working for you, right? You know, I like it. It works for me. I'm telling you you will learn so much about your body by trying some of these different things and This is what that's kind of the law. That was one of the first things that led me towards You know looking at you know maps kind of programming Which now you know, obviously far superior and it's just it's just one of those things I remember like the first time I used the foam roller blew my fucking mind or the first time I tried interest at stretching or occlusion training or all these different, you know Singles doing heavy singles sets of heavy singles blew my mind like the first time I trained, you know I'm like, you know, why don't I try training? I gotta stop you right there. So here's something. This is where I think a lot of people make a mistake is And this is where you're different because you have this mind right to be able to be able to disseminate this information It's most people Get that experience like somebody introduces them to a modality, right? And they see results or they they have this like mind-blowing experience like holy shit. I've never felt this good I've never been in this good shape and they attach it to the modality or the thing and then they fucking marry that And I don't care what it is whether it be kettlebells Olympic lifting power lifting CrossFit orange theory Whatever it is somebody at one point introduced them to this Modality and it was far enough from what they were so used to that their body Responded in such an amazing way that now they're sold on that's it and then they get stuck They get stuck in that area because that what that's what showed them the most in their in their lifetime And in their experience of health and fitness that gave them the most and you try to talk that person out of that It's like I know good luck with that. Yeah Good luck with telling the guy or girl who just got introduced to CrossFit and is in the best shape of their life I'm sure yeah, right or you just found it, you know, and I think I think too like I've always been I've always been the type that will go through like give it a chance like I look at these modalities I've tried them. I've tried the vibrating plate, you know, I've tried You know yoga I've tried like like different modalities and Extracted really paid attention to what things I would keep, you know, like as I'm going through the process like oh, yeah That's totally applicable. And then this is even CrossFit like, you know, I went through that Oh, what would I keep and what would I completely eliminate? Right, you know, and we talked about this a long time ago It's like, you know dead lifts and you know, they just brought that all those like staple lifts back to popular Well, everything you just named I can take a piece of that and tell you something that I I think is great A great takeaway from all them all the way down to kettlebells may spells Indian clubs, you know But everybody has to everybody likes to become in a camp and then they like to debate on why they're way or their Modalities skill ones. I mean you got like the skill ones It's there's so much like intricate detail that goes into like positioning with fingers and wrists and you know elbows And like in from a macro movement perspective you could get away with stuff But like these people get into such like the micro details details that like and then they get protective of that to where they'll talk Shit about everybody that does it otherwise not pulling people in which really irritates me. Well, you know, we forget Like you look at your children right children play. That's how they're active That's how they exercise and we forget that to play as adults. We just we forget and Really working out. You don't have to master it to get involved Let me tell you something like there's very few people that just love just to work out Right, most people don't work out because they love working out They work out because they have a particular goal But I'm telling you trying different things and approaching it with that mentality of learning it as a new skill and trying different things And just going with an open mind You will you'll start to play with your workouts Like I look forward to my the for me the side effects are the results That is the results are not my motivation for exercise anymore or at least not my primary motivation Of course it's still part of it, but it's not my primary motivation now I go to the gym and I kind of have fun. In fact, I have like two days a week where They're up for grabs. I go in the gym I do what the fuck I want and I just go and play and have a good time and I think people forget, you know to do that like You know if I have a client if I have you know clients that are coming to me They want to lose weight and I know that there's a man There's something magical about swimming in a freezing lake at five o'clock in the morning for 20 minutes to make everybody lose Weight I'm still not gonna recommend it because nobody's gonna fucking do it because it fucking sucks for most people and We forget we forget that when you that if you enjoy the process You're far more likely to continue doing it and so it's okay like a bad workout I mean as long as it's not hurting you and it's it's not horrible But a routine that's not as good as another routine But it's one that you enjoy and that you love to do it's probably gonna get you better results Just because you're gonna do it you're gonna do it more often You can continue doing it and if you approach exercise with that mentality of wow, I'm gonna learn this new skill or I'm gonna try this different thing or I'm gonna learn how to use a kettlebell Properly and I must start real slow and perfect it rather than I gotta go to the gym and sweat and beat myself up Totally different mentality way more longevity like you're gonna stay with your workouts And you know you're talking like this three guys right now in a podcast who've been exercising for you know decades and We you know have really kind of figured out that the secret really is enjoying it because at this point I would have stopped by now if I hated well learn to enjoy the process like I'll tell you the best It's the best advice like it gives to somebody right now on on this topic is if you've been doing whatever it is You're doing and you love it like Sal saying that's important But I'll tell you something right now if you're doing something you've been doing it for a long time And you love it I'll tell you you finding something that you're not good at and learning to love the process of getting good at it Is gonna show you way more change growth than anything else and and it'll be it'll be a real Like I think a lot of people who you know like we've all known those people in the gym, right? They go to the gym. They do the exact same routine every time 30 minutes their master Same machine same machine same machine go home and they'll tell you they love the routine But they don't know what they they actually don't realize that they don't love it They don't love it. They're actually just it's just they're stuck to it You know when someone says that to me it's like I they tell me when someone tells me they love their job And I'm like, yeah, but if you knew that every day you're going to your job They were paying you less how much would you really love it? And that's what's happening when you go to the gym and you're doing this routine that you love so much You're getting to be missing you're getting paid less every time you continue to do that The body is an adaptation machine. It figures out what the fuck you're throwing at it really quick You'd be surprised how efficient it is So you being being in this routine of loving to do that well, you're loving to do that because in your head You're like, oh, I'm exercising. I'm doing all this. I'm working You're putting this this time in that you need to put in for this healthy body or to see results When in reality each time you go in with that mentality you're getting paid less and less and less so I guess the moral The story is change your why it's ever ever evolving and let it evolve or maybe encourage it to involve there you go All right before we get to this next question We have a few people we'd like to mention So check this out if you enter the code mind pump into these three companies You'll actually get a discount big top beard company is one of them for 33 percent off all of their products You can also go to Camara coffee Camara and coffee both with a K comm for 10% off their products Or you can go to brain FM for 20% off. 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Okay, so why is it white say feminine hygiene because I want to dug to write that up there because I want to bring something interesting up That I was completely unaware of and I hate you know I hate to say the reason I was aware of it is because I'm a man, but it's true Obviously, I don't use feminine hygiene products like tampons and pads and stuff like that. You do sometimes but But so this was actually a conversation I had with Stephanie Stephanie Obergozo and we were talking about you know like the products that we use on our bodies and some of the chemicals and stuff that are in Them and she brought up tampons and she said to me sal make sure your girlfriend buys Organic tampons and I kind of laughed so I'm like organic tampons like you don't eat tampons And then I thought about it Yeah, and I'm like holy shit like a bamboo and so no so she explained to me She goes look the cotton that they use in tampons is Regulated as a textile so if you were using it as an ingestible that's regulated differently You know food is regulated differently and more stringently than things that are textile So cotton because you grow it they can spray the fuck out of it with pesticide if it's being used as For tampons or clothes they can spray the fuck out of them One of the most one of the parts of the body that absorbs the most probably inside your vagina. Yeah, absolutely It makes a lot of sense. Absolutely. And so there's been Some loose studies that have connected these some of these products to no planet in in there Yeah, a little pesticide penetration. Yeah to like, you know things like fibroids, you know ovarian cancers Issues with hormonal issues and the like from you know some of these products So she said use organic feminine hygiene products. I extend that to deodorants and body washes You know when you consider and look here's a deal. Are they safe? Sure But think about how often you use it for example use deodorant think about how often you use deodorant and how long use deodorant for So you probably started using deodorant right around puberty right because that's right right around the time you start to smell So if you're a boy probably 12 13 years old and you'll probably keep using deodorant Likely until the age you you know till the day you die right? So let's say you live to you know 80 years old That's a lot of years that you're putting deodorant under your arms And if it's antiperspirant it's probably got aluminum in it and aluminum has been connected to Dementia alzheimer's and issues of the brain and if you think you're not you you're not absorbing some of that through the skin You're crazy. Your skin is not You know, it's definitely permeable and things do you go into your body? Body washes and soaps with lots of perfumes and whatnot a lot of these chemicals are weak Xenoestrogens meaning that they they bind to estrogen receptors very weakly So it's not like you'll you'll they'll bind the receptor and then you'll get this crazy estrogen response But they will express some type of a you know a reaction or an affinity to these receptors and again over decades It's not out of the realm of you know It's it's not crazy to suggest that you may have some Long-term effects, especially cumulative effects and when you add all these products up So well this person something to consider this person's asking what natural products do you use to replace these? So do you have a yeah, so for products that you use? Yeah, so for deodorant I use God, what's the name of it? Actually it's in my bag. It's called primal paste Maybe we can put us in the show notes Get a little link there up for it primal paste is the one I use the main ingredients are baking soda coconut oil and a few other natural Ingredients and that's actually pretty effective. I started using that one relatively recently. I'll be the judge of that Yeah, you can actually come over and smell me and we'll actually know we'll do an insta story Whatever he was using before with his arm around you for a minute What else you had stink boy, you know for body wash I use just basic Very very basic clean soaps. I can't remember the brands, but they're just There's there's nothing No, no colors or no, no colors no dyes and that kind of stuff in them Toothpaste I use there's a brand called Tom's And they make a pretty good toothpaste that I'll use these like powder. I'm gonna say here's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna start using baking soda to brush my teeth You just get a little bit of baking soda dip your toothbrush in it use that boom. You're set Works excellent The one thing I have not switched over yet is what I put in my hair because I have not found a Natural thing that looks okay my hair a lot of times. I don't put anything on my hair, but sometimes I mean, but there's all kinds of there's all kinds of organic shampoos. I haven't found Oh, no, no, not shampoos. I'm talking about like the wax. Yeah. Yeah. Oh to style your head. Yeah No, I use I use like Yeah, I'm you know Yeah, when we get on this topic right here, this is how do I say this without bashing all the hippie ship? To me, it's it's like you have you have big rocks that you have to take care of first and I think there's a lot of things that we we don't realize on a daily basis that we we take in And we digest. Yeah, you almost need like a chemical checklist. Yeah, right And I think them all off I like talking about this because I think it's important the awareness is important right that you're aware of That don't think just because you're putting this stuff on your skin that your skin isn't absorbing some of it and getting some of it, too, I Find it ironic though when some people tend to you know Do all these crazy things, but then their their diet is like shit, you know I'm saying like and nothing's gonna kill You faster than you know having a poor diet then you know then these these chemicals that you're probably getting in your deodorant I don't see you killing you if you're over consuming calories and fucking garbage like in your diet and Process foods and you know for me like it's like okay I had four or five diet sodas this last week like to me I should probably fix that before I run out and worry about getting all these different Shampoos and body washes and stop doing this and stop doing that now that being said You know because I'm aware of this and I want to you know Be cautious of how much of that is I'm a guy who likes to shower like three times a day literally So I'm not scrubbing my body and I'm not washing my hair three times a day In fact, I only wash my hair and use shampoo, which I you there's an or I have an organic shampoo and stuff that I use same thing with a bar of soap and I I only lather up once a day if that and I use the shampoo in my hair probably every three days and Then my toothpaste is Tom. So there's little things that I've done to I think make a conscious effort, but I also don't Stress about stress about that because I feel like there's other areas in my life that needs so much more like I think I need more sunlight like I think I need things that bring down my stress I think I need better sleep like I think things like that I need way more attention than you know running out and paying double the price for a lot of these products I think if you look at the products, we could probably name the biggest offenders and For women, I hate to say this the biggest offenders for you are probably makeup Well and you're and what you use to color your hair the chem the chemicals They use to color hair. It's funny too because you'll see all these like super like health conscious hippie girls And then I'll tell them hey, you know, you probably shouldn't be a purple hair. That's the one thing They won't change right is that you know, and I know I get it I get it if it really bothers you, but definitely the chemicals they put in your hair and scalp is one of the big offenders Deodorant can be I think you know one of the one of the bigger ones Sunscreen that's a big offender. Hmm sunscreen is something you really want to change So if you're if you had to make a list of priorities of things you're gonna change Sunscreen will be one of the first ones. What are your options? I mean cuz like something like me You know, I don't want to fry zinc oxide. Yeah use zinc oxide. So like a lobster Yeah, so the the the chemical based so sunscreens work one of two ways either they absorb The UV rays and scatter them so that they don't go into your skin or they reflect the sun Okay, the chemical based ones absorb the rays and those are the ones that have the long chemical names I can't pronounce one of them's ox's talking about those dorky zinc where you put it like all over That's my option Listen, they make so wear a sweater, bro So they make so you make the July. No, I'll give you an answer. That's valid. You they have like they have these these Like shirts and everything you can wear now that You can actually go into the Sun and like for kids especially to like they can go into the water and all this stuff And it has UV protection and all that so that's probably the best thing Yeah, what I was gonna say is the zinc oxide ones you can buy them. They're not pure white Justin, okay, you put them on they rub in in the Sun out of the water You'll see a little bit of a white sheen not a lot. It's not like the old-school, you know lifeguard ones Where they put the white on the nose. It's not that You rub it in and if I had it on right now cool because it's retro Yeah, if I had it on all over my body, you wouldn't really be able to tell but if I got in and out of the water You could kind of tell a little bit, but it doesn't look bad It's not you don't want to get the nano the nano Particulate ones because what they'll do is they'll make the zinc oxide particle so small so that you can rub it in But then you just absorb too much zinc with so then that's bad for you But the zinc oxide titanium oxide sunscreens those are great use those because the other sunscreens are For sure in doctrine disruptors for sure they affect the hormones and I you know if you're an adult and you use them every once A while not a big deal. I don't use them on my kids that's for sure because kids are developing and you're putting all these the sunscreen on them and It could cause issues with the hormones and also consider this when it comes to the Sun Of course, there's people like Justin and you know you and your kids who guys are you know blinding white I understand that but if you're transparent family if your skin starts to adapt over over time You don't want to get a sunburn. That's for sure But if your skin is adapted where you can go in the sun and you just get darker and you don't get a sunburn like that's okay It's actually good for you to be able to do that. It's the burn you want to avoid was just gonna say now We're where where do you take the lesser evil here? Right where it's like, okay? Justin's out on the boardwalk this weekend He forgot to give his fucking zinc oxide wipe that you want him to use and he has he has a choice right now Okay, do I just not put anything on my skin or do I protect it and not get burned? You're probably better off with the chemical based sunscreen because burning your skin is for sure bad And then if you look at someone like Justin probably like me too like I could count on definitely one hand probably less than three times in a Year there might be a chance that I actually apply something like that to my skin You know, how are we really doing that much damage? Am I doing you know I'm saying like that's where that's what I meant By like the bigger rocks. Well, some people with sunscreen will put on some right and they make up It's in chapstick like you'll look at chapstick sunscreen. You look at makeup. It's chronic for sure. Yeah, dude A lot of shit every day because they've been led to believe that it keeps them right healthier It's better for the skin. Here's what happens when you block a lot of the fucking sun all the time You get low vitamin D levels, which by the way is an ep is becoming an epidemic a lot of people have low D levels and you know, it's gonna raise your cancer risk more more than the Sunwell Low vitamin D levels right in fact in in they've had these Campaigns in some countries where they're really pushing sunscreen like in Australia. There's huge Huge like sunscreen campaign because at the time the ozone layer was deteriorating and you know people were getting skin cancer So this is what I mean by other It reminds me a lot too of like when we had this like total scare of like the The antibacterial, you know soap on hand like everywhere. There's like a little station where I got up Oh, I gotta put my right antibacterial stuff on, you know, because I'm afraid of germs and you know Now we're just like adding a shit ton of chemicals all over us. So this is where this back This is where I feel like just the awareness piece is what's important I'll tell you something that like why I even use like organic soap and I went through my whole little spiel of how I utilize it is Because I have psoriasis and I actually was I used to use a luffa and fucking antibacterial soap And I would scrub myself. Oh, well three times a day, you know So talk about like irritating that skin and doing that and not knowing not knowing and I'm in my head I'm thinking you're doing good. Yeah, you think you're doing good, right? And and so for me like that was a the major transition, right was okay I'm aware that I already shower a lot as it is and then on top of that I was using a luffa and on top of that I'm using this soap. It's like that Okay, probably not a good idea, especially if I have sensitive skin like psoriasis, right? So for me that that's the big thing. It's not like oh, I'm doing this because I'm afraid I'm getting so much aluminum inside my body that could turn potentially cancerous later because I think when people talk like that It's kind of ridiculous if you're not doing all the other things It's like you're doing all these other things. It's gonna kill you a lot faster than your deodorant is if you own a luffa Your shower game tight, right? But if you if you're someone like me who was doing that and I was actually being really Counterproductive to an issue that I had, you know wising up to that and like you brought up the sunscreen I think that's really important if you're somebody who piles on makeup all day You've got chemicals you're you're dyeing your hair constantly all the time and then on top of that your law You're you know Globbing all this shit on your skin before you go out in the sun and you and you live somewhere where you're out in the sun all The time so you're constantly putting that on like these these people like maybe just it's just attention a little bit Here's the thing that I want to we have to consider the following like I think we've but we've Really started to we accepted and it's false. We've accepted the false Narrative that a lot of the stuff that happens to us is just because we have it's our genetics like Autoimmune disease is everywhere. Oh, I must have bad genes or look at these people who have cancer at the age of 30 and 40 Oh, they must have had bad genes like I'm sorry. I don't buy that shit. I just don't well You can't you can't buy it when over 50 years ago. That wasn't happening Well, not only that something happening different now that was I mean that's a that we You did we had bad genetics and good genetics 50 years ago So why are we having so much cancer and stuff going on now? So I just I just don't buy I mean I definitely buy that there are cases where that happens, but we're learning about epigenetics now We're we're noticing massive trends in certain things like food allergies and stuff and it's like no It's not fucking genetics. There's something that we're doing and it's probably not one thing That's the thing you got to consider like it's not one Corporate like oh here it is it's deodorant or here it is it's sugar or it's it's probably all these things added up Yes, and so I mean, you know Adam makes all these like functional medicine practitioners They're they're they have a job because it's like it's such a maze that they have to go back and kind of figure out like What you've been exposed to like what product here, you know, you might be using chronically and then you know The elimination diet and like what what do we see as we reintroduce these things and you know There's a lot of self-assessment that needs to happen in order to Figure out the root of all, you know this the systemic problem. It's a tough. It's a tough thing to tackle I mean if you're a person who grew up Using these products eating these foods and had no problems, right and now you're an adult and all of a sudden You know, you've got horrible Digestive issues or skin issues or rheumatoid arthritis popped up or some other autoimmune issue or something like that right pops up and you go see Somebody who's a functional, you know medicine doctor or even just somebody who's in you know into this and they tell you hey You know stop using these products and stop eating this way and you're in your mind You think well fuck I've been using forever. They never bothered me before it's got to be something else Like you don't want to and not only that But we without realizing it you don't want to buy into it because you have to change everything That sucks like who wants to change the way that they've lived for you know the last you know 15 to 20 years But you got to examine it all you got to look at it all and I was just talking to my friends about this yesterday I had some friends over some old clients of mine Do you have other friends and I do and two more two other friends. That's it Anyway, we're hanging out and my me and my buddy Morgan were talking about this and he goes You know he goes we probably grew up at the worst time because when we grew up in the 80s right early 80s up until now This is when like processed foods went through the roof like exploded right processed food just exploded the covered the market 60s 70s and 80s it went nuts. This is when glyphosates hit the market like in the 90s This is when you know, you know things just got mass produced and our parents just fed us and oh antibiotics were correct You got prescribed antibiotics for everything everything like you went to the microwave came TV TV dinners that whole trend, right? Like it just all hormones and cows and you know, it was a free-for-all like I When I was a kid and I went to the doctor if I had a cough that lasted for three days The doctor just gave me antibiotics. It wasn't a big deal like they gave him out like candy, right? All the food we ate like soda was a staple in every single American dinner Stay away from fat and everybody and it was just it was we grew up at the worst time And I think it's it's starting to change now. You're starting to see you know, that's why it's so fun I find it really funny when so we still probably one of the biggest debated, you know Podcast episodes we've done yet. It was the Lane Norton episode because we have a different opinion with a lot of this stuff Right because a lot of this science is still coming out in this whole like oh, it's correlation We can't prove this yet and it's funny because the people that tend to lean towards his side Very rarely is it somebody who's older than 35 years old? It's always the 20 year olds or younger that kind of like Ten to lean on his side because it because they're fine. Yeah, they're fine Right, they're like then they want to justify you that you can ask and I feel bad because I get it dude I was I was fucking right with you in that group too until all the shit started hitting me And then it made and then it forces you to look deeper into it and then you start going like yeah fuck It takes a couple decades for it all to start it doesn't happen overnight and it's way through I guarantee you they're gonna look back at you know the the end of the 20th century and You know maybe a hundred years from now and they're gonna look back and be like oh like the way we look at like Cigarettes, you know way back when when when they were coming out with studies saying tobacco doesn't hurt you and shit like that And you see doctors and pregnant moms and everybody's smoking and you're like no big deal You know now we're like oh my god. Yeah, I can't believe you to do that I bet they're gonna come they're gonna look back and be like wow I can't believe you guys ate that shit and use those products as much as you did like that babies Like that's right. Did you know you know coca-cola is obviously one of the biggest brands in the world, right? They've seen sales drop now for I don't know how many years in a row Like it's starting to change things are starting to shift a little bit And I think I don't think they're anywhere near where they need to be But I think by my the time my kids have their kids When you go to the grocery store and you go to the market and stuff like that a lot of the shit's gonna be weeded out I really believe that I really do because they're really young generation right now That's coming up why like they're their awareness of it is different You know you see these young kids challenging, you know people that are saying that used to be the norm It's that in between right now if you were part of X or the millennial kind of range right now You're still right in the thick of it. You're right in the thick of it You're not quite old enough to where some of the shit's caught up to yet. Maybe some have though I mean I have met some 25 because it's just started hitting me around 27 like 25 27 It was me late 20s. Yeah late 20s was when I started and you got to think I was probably a major offender compared to most people I mean I'm sucking down coax. I'm doing two three protein bars and shakes I'm doing all the different supplements with all the different flavors. I'm doing speed stacks a day So I know I was like I'm throttling down compared to probably the average person So I know it probably came faster to me than it will a lot of other people But you better believe if you just ignore that shit and say, oh, it ain't a big deal It'll come around so they were to me the awareness of all this stuff is a most important piece You know I'm saying I think there's there's bigger rocks for a lot of people like that's why I don't like to become so like oh Don't do this that you know all this cuz then people think like oh god the whole the whole hippie talk, right? It's not you just don't want to turn everybody off or focus You don't want people to focus on like the smaller things. Yeah, like if you're if you're like if you're you know Poisoning your body with food every day and over consuming not exercising tons of stress in your life Like let's let's be honest. Let's all let's all agree on that right like that type of shit is going to affect your overall health More than if it was a pie chart like that's 90 something percent of everything right there Yeah, right, but I mean along the way you should definitely be aware of some of these things Especially if you're a major offender for sure. Next question is from Z Raslan, where do you guys stand on the FST 7 training model for natural athlete? That's honey Rembods Workout program, right? We're putting on Justin next week. Yeah. Yeah, you're gonna start doing this work. Oh, I can't wait It's brilliant fucking science-based. You know what? You know what? I'm yeah I'm glad we brought this up a little bit because we talked a little bit By the way, you know, honey's a local guy, right? Yeah, he's he's in this Well, he used to come get massages at your place. That's right Yeah, I saw him come down come down a few times, you know FS in the FST or what we're excuse me You know FST stands for fascia training fascia stretch training. Oh stretch training. Yeah, so rich here's the theory behind it before actually Yeah, we're just gonna rip it so the theory behind it is you The fat the fascia is one of the limiting factors to muscle growth, right? And so part of this training is to stretch the fascia so that muscles have more room to grow and the way they do it is By maximizing the pump and stretching the fascia from the inside. Can I tell you how stupid that is for a second? Oh, yeah, please anybody understands fat fascia is like fucking plastic It's like a fibrous like you ain't stretching. It's like plastic It's literally like the closest thing that we handle on a daily basis. That's like fascia is like fucking plastic So if you can imagine flexing your bicep if someone took a someone took something and wrapped it on your bicep And then you you pumped your bicep stuff to think that you're going to Stretch and shape the fascia from a pump. Well, and you going through Eldoa So like getting into those like very unique positions and to even get them to un Ravel what you're doing in with Eldoa is you're creating lines of tension. You're not stretching. You're not gonna do shit to your fucking fascia It's not gonna happen. You're not gonna stretch it You're not gonna do more into a more neurological thing. You're connecting your butt You're getting reconnected the muscles that are responsible for taking those lines into optimal full range of motion where Stretching fascia through a pump is probably one of the stupidest things Which is why when we first talked about this way back when when he first came out with it This is also why I have kind of a chip on my shoulder about the dude the fact that he gets to train the rock Just just totally makes me mad makes you see I love the rock so much I would love to get a hold of him and the fact that this guy gets to train him because he has He has mr. Olympia for men's physique women's bikini and for bodybuilding All of a sudden the dude gets credit like he's got a great training. No the training program is not revolutionary There is nothing special. I'll break it down for you right now. This is what it is. Okay, you ready? You do you let's pretend we're doing FST for my biceps I do my regular bicep workout and then at the end of my bicep workout I pick an exercise like barbell curls and I do like 12 to 15 reps for seven sets with like 20 30 second Rest in between so that's it all I'm doing is I'm doing seven sets of an exercise at the end to try and get as big Of a pump as I possibly can that's where the seven comes finishers. That's it. That's the fucking model What can I say? Okay, so and I know people are probably listening right now thinking like oh You're such a hater like it sounded and I should have no preference not if it was a great fucking program I'd say well, it's yeah And I hate what I don't like is when people take a little bit of science where most people are just do have that doesn't make Sense to them right? It's like beyond them. So it's taking like buzz terms exactly You take you take some buzz turn right now. I've heard tree planer fat fascia training training the Lions Aldo all this stuff is very popular right now because we're learning this is this isn't my wheelhouse because this is something then the last like Three four years. I've read a lot about and I'm very intrigued by fascia I'm intrigued because as humans were intrigued because we know very little I mean you got people talking about possibly storing memory inside fascia You're talking about being able to move these lines to increase mobility You're saying people are starting to say like oh if you can increase the lines you can maybe increase more must There's a lot of stuff going on that now because of that you get people that will take it take a little piece of it It reminds me a lot of anabolic fasting. Yeah Stupid another great example another great example of taking a great buzz term or something that's popular that we're learning about That's confusing for the masses most people have no understanding of what fascia is inside your body How it works and how that could have anything to do with you building muscle? So they take something they try and make it sound really fucking confusing and technical and smart and then they wrap a program around it Which is nothing scientific about it whatsoever of chasing a pump and cycle cycloplasmic hypertrophy We've known for a very long time what that does and that's literally all you know that is phase three of maps black Yeah, as your whole program the whole program is phase three of maps black Which I'm not saying that there's not a good piece of that. There's true that the training program the pump itself Definitely elicits growth it elicits growth in all the the non muscle fiber structures within muscle And it also stimulates muscle fiber growth as well that the pump is an important part of muscle building It's not the only part. It's not the part you want to focus all your time on It's it's something that should be phased in and out, but there's literally zero Nothing revolutionary about fst7. It is it's it's nothing. It's literally nothing It's seven sets of a fucking exercise at the end to get a better pump. That's it There's nothing behind it. You watch the training with his athletes. You watch the workouts There's nothing different about it. It's I think it's just someone who got who's connected who trains these people sponsors them with a supplement company It says hey, that's I'm gonna be your trainer take pictures and video and then people think I am Some of the people that I mean good programming if you if you're looking for good programming I think some of the better people are like in power lifting power lifting Olympic lifting Barbell yes west side barbell shout out to those guys over there I mean when you're doing something like that like that requires good programming You can't just get by with chasing a pump and calling it a good workout because your arms burn or your butt You got a bunch of blood pumped in there So you think it's a great workout like now There's so much more to training a power lifter an Olympic lifter You want to find guys that are putting together programs like you look that you know It's sad is that bodybuilding of all the strength sports and I'll can we'll consider bodybuilding a strength sport because they lift weights Right of all the strength sports. I can think I can think about bodybuilding a plot put probably puts the least amount of I guess effort into scientific training. I hate to say it. It's fucking true like bodybuilders They work out But they don't like approach their training like an Olympic lifter or a power lifter or a strongman Or any other strength athlete. It's in bodybuilding You know where they place most of their and I'm talking about pro bodybuilding You know where they place most of their effort and science the drugs. Yeah, the drugs and diet That's when they're really trying to like mirror like match their insulin and the growth hormone to their diet and there But when it comes to their training like you look at pro bodybuilder's routines and I could switch them around looks the fucking same There's nothing. Let's just it hasn't been that way for a long time Let's be honest here, right? So if you were to look at it like a pie chart like we're talking on the last question like okay When you talk about diet and the drugs that takes up a good 80% Okay, so if you've got the best drugs and you got the best diet and great genetics. Yeah, you're and yeah exactly 80% Chances are you're gonna be pretty fucking good You know I'm saying you're gonna be really good if you got those things going for you now If you don't have the drugs you don't have the genetics and you're doing pretty decent at the diet You know, this is where programming really makes a big difference for somebody somebody who's all who's all natural Who doesn't have superior genetics? They put some good programming behind them now it makes a big difference, but those guys when you're when you're running this stuff Yeah, I can get away with some decent programming or half-ass programming and the FST Sevens with his question is for a natural athlete like no, I don't think any of us think it's good for a natural I don't think it's good for a guy who's on anabox just because he's got guys out there that are The pro and they're winning I'll tell you right now the nutrition the drugs and the genetics Played the biggest role in those guys being that way. Just don't don't be fooled Most those dudes before they hired or started doing FST 7 looked pretty fucking damn good before that It might be one of those cases of cherry picking the top guy They wouldn't do that. Come on. It's what I would do. I'm saying like, you know, and that's just smart business It's like hey, I'm gonna go before and after You know you take a picture Give me the next one Doug before you ever happens. All right our next one is from our boy mine pump Danny What's up, Danny? So if you guys are stuck on an island you have to choose three foods one tool and one partner I'm glad I didn't say we had to fuck. It's easy for me. What? Egg steak avocado. Those are my three foods My one tool is a hatchet and my partner would be my girl. Mm-hmm. That was easy for me That was that was really steak egg and avocado for sure. I could live off of that We get because you get most of what I need to there one tool Hatchet has to be it right you knock down tree I would say matches, but I think the hatchet would help me too because I got to kill a bear or kill something or possibly kill My partner if she drives me crazy Which is also why I'd want someone weaker than me living with that it's my partner cuz I got to eat them Okay, yeah, I can't have like a partner is bigger and stronger than me else. I become the prey dude I want pizza Mexican food And like I don't know cookies cuz you know, let's be unreasonable about this. I'm stuck on an island I'm burning a shit ton of calories fair enough. I don't even give a shit, you know, like Give me an axe, you know just to chop up my The trees surrounding so I could make a killer fort or whatever a nice little house and then I Mean like what my wife, of course, I mean what am I supposed to say? I hope so So jeez what would I pick for three feet part of me is like pick the foods that are gonna be the most nutritious So I think like eggs probably would be one of them Coconut oil or coconut just coconuts themselves unless they grow on the island would be another one And maybe some kind of a citrus fruit so I can get well, sorry. I need whiskey my bad One of those whiskey and then I'm good my tool a fishing pole. I'd want to fish if I'm on an island I would want that bad bad decision right there Why because we have food because you could food's unlimited you could make a fishing pole You with your hatchet you can go carve a fucking you make it sound like and you can make a fishing pole I can be a spear if you ever got never tried to spear a fish Survival bro, but I gotta figure it out. I think you'd start good You might want like a flint though, you know to start fire That's why I matches originally I said that too, but oh, no, here's my tool my cell phone with reception So I can Google yeah, call people come save me partner I would I don't know who this person is But whoever I would look at all my friends and family and the most First person like wilderness survival. That's probably a good call. I love my girl at all But I probably more We might kill each other. Yeah trying to figure out how we're gonna get out of there I'd be useless like I would need somebody who knows how to like survive on a deserted island. That's fair Yeah, so smart. I'll take bear grills. That's about that. I like that excellent like Ben Greenfield. I'll call Ben up I already called it. He's coming on my island. You guys gonna find somebody fine. God damn it Check it out. Go to mine pump media calm 30 days of coaching is still available for free and We changed it so now when you when you enroll in it you get all 30 days at once so you can go through it You can learn about which subject you want to listen to whichever episodes you want to it's pretty awesome also Find us on Instagram. We've been doing some cool stuff with our Insta stories. We answer questions on our Instagram's We've got we provide different fitness information. 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