 Welcome to the 1878 FM podcast I do believe it's episode 10 so there you go. Goes very quickly it goes very quickly even even I'm trying to be positive today, the day after ever in a fair once again exits at the Carabawch cup before Christmas it's a thing we like there's a consistency there Dave that you know sometimes has to be admired that you try to get out this competition as quickly as you can every year Ac rwy'n creu bod dwi'n cael ei fwynhau i'w cwrth i'w cwrth i'w cael ei wneud hynny. Ond, efallai yn y ffarswyd, mae'n cael ei fwy o'r ffordd, mae'n cael ei wneud hynny'n cael eich ffilm yn ymwyng. Yn y cwrth o'n gwybod, ac mae'n gweithio cael ei wneud yn wiretio'r ffordd, ac mae'n cael ei wneud hynny'n cael ei ffordd. Mae'n rhaid i'w peth i'w ffordd, mae'n rhaid i'w ffordd i'w ffordd i'w peth, yna yn fwy o'r ffordd sy'n cael bod yn fyw yn siarad. Dw i'n gwybod i'n dewis i'r holl îfl. Roedd ychydig ddim. Yn fflau'r bwysig, mae erbyn yn cael ei ddweud yn y tain. Rwy'n cael e. Roeddwn i. Roeddwn i'n fwy rau'r llin taeth yn hwnnw hwn. Roeddwn i'n gwybod yng Nghymru ar yr olygu ar eu gynllunio. Roeddwn i'n gynllunio ar y bach o'r holl. Roeddwn i'n gwybod yn gwybod yn gwybod a chi'n gwybod i'n gwybod. Rwy'n fawr o boboli. Mae'r rhai yn ddechrau. Rwy'n edrych ar ôl. Mae'n dychrau yn rhaid yn tynnu hyn o'r tair yn gwneud y Fathedrun. Ond ydw i'n buralau o'r edrych. Rwy'n edrych ar gyfer am ymgau o'r pan fyddwch ymwyng. Ac rydyn ni'n gallu duddysgwyl gan y pethau, na nhw'n ymddechrau mewn amly Works hefyd. Mae'n gandderdd, nid oeddo, ac mae'n ffrantez at rwynd yn gwneud yr eithaf. A'n gynnydd, now the attacking side of our game is so lacking that it's to be especially a new last night because obviously we knew we changed the back four um it was going to be more so that we had to defend even better than we have been doing um with lad two haven't been playing them and if you take last night in isolation 11 changes lad two haven't been playing don't play together some some haven't played since the first day of the season back in august it's not hard to see a performance like you saw from everton last night now the problem is or are the other teams doing this like brentford when out of jillingham saying kind of thing made changes no rhythm but they still had six of their first team for us we can't something but in that position maybe you can change that many players and we what gets other teams out of out of trouble a little bit of thinking when they make a lot of these changes their attack on plays are still decent and are they able to to win games for them but the thing is Barry there sorry to interrupt the thing is it and and this is something that peds said in his um in his player ratings it's a fact that you know you can look at people like tom davis coming in or you can look at whoever coming in you can look at michael keen coming in saying they've not played for ages they're bound to be you know they train all week they have to be ready this is the whole i mean we made bormouth look like man's city last night genuinely i mean bormouth you know it looks so easy for them to cut through us for the most part um and just shambolic and there was just so many players who just didn't look up to it at all um and i don't know whether that's form or attitude or i don't know what it is but i i you know i'm i'm with pet on this they're professional footballers they train all week they have to be ready you know and if their opportunity comes they have to take it and you would have you would have thought that actually when you are a fringe player who's not getting into the side on a regular basis wouldn't you have thought that you would have the desire and the impetus to come in and absolutely play out your skin to prove what you have to prove your fitness to prove your ability and to try and give the manager something to think about you know and arguably most of those fringe players gave the manager and indeed those who were occupying their positions ordinarily nothing at all to think about and nothing at all to worry about i think the issue is for a lot of those players those players have had their chance in the first team and they're on the way out and whereas when you watch other teams and probably bormouth last night their players who are fighting feel like they've got a chance or on the way up we were young kids or whoever most of that team last night are gone you know michael keen probably should never play forever and again he was he probably won't really really he wants to go anyway doesn't he you know you know hallgate meaner um tom davis i thought was absolutely woeful um there was and there's probably more you know the the the only one the likes of i thought i thought like vernagri did all right but and standing a few decent crosses up and you could see him and say he's one who's actually trying to get i don't think he's good enough but he's definitely trying to get into the first team with the other ones were just going through the motions and you've got to look at the first uh to the manager and say well not putting the blame on him but did you really need to make 11 changes for this game did you really need to with one game left with one game left james garner i think did all right and i think he probably got taken off because you because you're playing Saturday yeah that's probably why it got taken off and a lot of people will probably probably aren't the golden the same i imagine as well will probably play saty and that's probably why he got taken off even though he deserved to be dragged off but it they are being sent off well he should have been sent off but they're all plays on the way out and then that's the that always seems to be the case when we play in this trophy as well as that there's no one fighting there's no one fighting to get into the team there's no youngsters who are on the edges fighting to get into the team and it always seems the same and you've got a question of football club that doesn't actually want to win trophies that mentality is we don't really care about winning trophies you make 11 changes with one game before a six week break what does that tell the fanbase what does that say well three were in four what does that say to all the people who go to the game you've made eight changes were you surprised i wasn't surprised because i know what the mentality is i know but we need to get away from this thing of are you surprised which i want to i want to be surprised by everton football club actually trying to be supposed to be serious about something ever had an opportunity last night if they put out a few more fair steamers to actually just roll bomb off over get in get into the next round of the cup and then look forward to saturday without too much too much of hassle but now all they've done is caused more panic more fear more worry and more doubt of frank lampard and they've brought that on themselves it's as simple as that and they didn't have to they didn't have to with a six week break you didn't have to do that last night nor at all it didn't have to go to three at the back didn't have to go to wing backs didn't have to bring you know after team changing and bringing a back three of hallgate you know but what's what was what was what in your opinion what was the reason behind making that many changes was it a because you thought or they think that it will give them a better chance at the weekend is it also because they don't value that cup competition i think for me or is it a bit of both i think bit of both dave i think ultimately the manager looks at it and is like my job is to keep having in the premier league and that's all this job is and probably the look at it and the look at it and think we're not going to win this trophy because there's man city chelsea livable money knighted arsenal space we're not going to win this trophy so we might supposed to put a second and the manager the what the manager said was probably right after the game he was like well that team's got loads of experience and that team really should have won but like you said dave you put 11 plays together on a on a wednesday night and loads of them haven't played for ages that's always going to be the result always going to be i mean shouldn't have been that result but that's always going to be tough but very disappointed in some of the plays like i was saying like i said the likes of some like tom davis who could be called upon to play on saturday if you know garner own honor or not fit then you've done nothing for your cause that's nice absolutely nothing i mean i said this myself the aftermath thing is that and this is before at the earth franklamp part it's you will have had players who will have been moaning to him about playing games of football you will yeah right like some michael keen old it i said this these players have given them nothing to think about you know and against bormath as well with the greatest respect to bormath you know but if the likes of tom davis or yeri meaner or michael keen or any of these cannot look like good premier league professionals against that kind of opposition then we've got a problem who may changes themselves you know but it also may changes themselves exactly they weren't they weren't a full strength bormath had a champions yet right i know i know i know i know but i have to go back to sorry i feel like i'm quoting you all the way through this page i have to go back to what you said just then because isn't this a sad state of affairs that not only is the mood how we are but you you said frank lampard's job is to keep evident in the premier league now that alone is a state shot yeah i mean and and you're not wrong but isn't that a horrendous state of affairs that we're talking about the fact that the primary objective is to not get relegated which is normally the primary objective of clubs coming up to try and stay in this thing yet the reality is that that we are facing another season of looking over our shoulders we know we're going to be in the same situation again i think and the sad thing is it it always does tain very quickly doesn't it it's you i i didn't fancy is on saty and it's less let's be honest i don't we get bounce for no if i'm perfectly honest i had a terrible feeling with that game and you know we played out even mention that one no no i played out in that way because i just i just thought against the team that could score goals against the team that can't score goals there's only going to be one winner isn't it really and and that's how it played out and and and that's that's i think that's the fear now that that is sort of well it is seeping into the fan bases that this team can't score goals two shots on target last night two sitters tom davis and anthony gordon two absolute sitters gordon's is just as bad though but he has to do but all he has to do is just head it on target they're both woeful and they you know they're not even on target you know they've obviously we've had the goal and um but but that's the state of affairs two shots on target against a boom of second string team that that we've lost the last four games by the way their first team and their second string team rocks up and we can't hit the target more than twice that that's horrendous and it doesn't matter how good you are at the back if that continues or something doesn't happen at the club in terms of bringing people in there's only one place where you're going because you know what but bainley had a good defensive record last season their defensive record was south couldn't score couldn't score goals went down and that's that's ultimately what what you know as you're saying that's what frank lampard's job is now and i mean don't i if saturday we could get three points that would be huge because the table would look a lot better and they give us all that little bit of confidence but no one actually i don't think anyone actually feels like that's reality at the moment no i mean saturday was it saturday was you know we may change just the way we played rather than the personnel and lester just picked us off you know madison was super he was but dav you would have been super because we just give him all the space that they had the real threat was james madison with given space he can shoot and he can pick a pass and what what we did really well against christel palace we had own honor and guys sitting deeper and they freed up a wobe which meant we had we almost played like a four to four against palace and they couldn't cover us and then on saturday he just left garner on his own and pushed the other two up and the other two was just totally in effect own honor was loping around i mean he said he was injured afterwards fair enough maybe that contributed to but if he was that injured that he couldn't compete he shouldn't have started really um and they picked us off because we were just all over the place and the real issue is and we keep saying it we can't we go out without without the goal threat there's only so long you can keep a team out for you know we can't keep asking pickford to keep you know to make save you can't keep asking tarkoski yn codi to throw themselves in the way a shot in the hope that you know less the left goddess on saturday with 22 attempt to go to r 12 no a way team should ever be ever a goddess on park be allowed anywhere near that amount of attempt at our goal ever they should be the other way down they shouldn't be able to get out of their own half or own you know and that's something we've got to address but we're totally totally toothless up front that's a problem but you know what we have we have one we have one i was going to say like if you like i was looking at lester i was speaking to the lad who sit next to and it was both defences i thought were awful on saturday i thought we were really poor and we haven't been and they were terrible as well neither neither team could play out from the back didn't have a clue either of them but they pressed better than we did so it showed up more but when they broke and bormath did this last night with much inferior players when they broke they got bodies into the box we know when they scored their second goal there's three of their players in that box and yet hardly ever did ever have three players in bormath's box and that was the same on saturday and it's one thing we can sit here and be moan having no recharlers and we can be moan having no dominic alw at loom because he's not fit or whatever whatever whatever we are left with what we're left with at the moment so the biggest thing for me which is not much to be fair and certainly in terms of goals it's absolutely nothing but the one way then that other teams have seemed to be able to negate that in terms of getting goals is making sure that you flood the box with your players then you might not have a natural player that's going to go i can get you 20 goals this season but if four or five years in the penalty area when you're putting crosses in one of you might get on the end of it and put it in whereas we just isolate whoever asked right here is and i don't i don't know whether when you sign a contract as a manager you're told to to you know play one up front to make sure there's nobody anywhere near them because this has been going on year after year after year hasn't it we've had you know it happened with years ago with your cubo and then although Moise's team was much better but since Moise left rom was isolated we've gone through and calvert lumans being isolated Wayne Rooney when he was up there was isolated you know we tried other strikers we're always no bravery is there there's no bravery in the team at all there's no bravery to to join up and get men forward and push on and and and to be honest i was thinking about this and you know someone mentioned like someone the style of playing what we like and what we don't like you'll i looked at a team on saturday and i looked at a team last night with no bravery in it and the two different sides but no bravery to flood men forward join up you know get tackles in be strong be solid where was that Tim Cahill mentality that's what we're missing yeah but against palace we had a little bit of that we started really well and we flooded forward and we were always on the front foot and we were aggressive and in the last couple of games that's and second half against fulham that's that's just that's just melted away to the to the to the cautious to just the cautious approaching and how's caution going to help when you can't when you can't score goals you know the mentality now is i'll just defend for our lives that's not going to be enough this season and you know whether that's the players whether that's the managing the coaches to each telling the players to do that i don't know but it's it's going to turn i mean this break is going to come at the very the very best time possible but if everything don't get a positive result on saturday then i really fear for frank lampard because i don't the thing is i'll be honest with you i don't think fans will do what they did last season don't i just don't i just don't think they'll be the i just think what we had last season to save the save the team will be replaced by pure anger this year that it's that it's happened again that it's happened again i know in the in the 90s we saw this in a way when 94 was the joy of staying up and then 98 become absolute like you know there was a there was a real um anger and then that was four years apart go back to back doing it back to back do you also think as well because obviously last year a lot of people were kind of like well this wasn't this is not to do with frank lampard kind of thing yeah he'd inherited he'd inherited a problem hadn't he you know when he'd come off the back of a a load of mistakes and people thought you know what he's doing his best but now as you say it's a different situation he's had more time in the seat he's had more opportunity to change the squad um change the the playing style and as you say unfortunately what happens this season will be on his shoulders and i you know listen i want to see him do well and i would like to see him here at the end of the season and into next season and i'd like to see him leading us into anhu stadium but i'll be honest with you at the moment i think that's highly unlikely i feel for him in a way because i feel like he's had it's two different jobs isn't it one the end of last season was just a pure firefighting exercise and then and then obviously coming back for this season he's had to he's not been given what he wanted i mean let's get it right the club allowed the first five games to come and go without a striker and that's on them you know we they basically just went first five games don't matter you know so i'm sure he wanted a striker he wasn't given one till you know till and then leads and then we had the thing because it was a bank holiday and all that so the first five games passed without a striker we looked absolutely too flush and then since then it's been trying to get done back and and what can we do but you just have nothing about us and the big thing and i've said this a lot of time loads of times and it was horrifying last night it's the set pieces the hot the horrendous why aren't you working on them night and day offensively we were sure it was better off them but yeah offensively we're poor at me oh we're horrendous one last night in the first half and they went short and i think it ended up with tom davis kicking it out for a throwing or it nearly going out for a throwing for them and you're just like why have we not got a formula of a ball in the box and a couple of the big glass running in the cross it's like wow how does that happen you you know you're struggling for goals and yet your set pieces are woeful and i look at little things like that i don't think that's a that that is that is so poor that to me really poor i think as well when you look on that it is you know in terms of the manager i think they have been improved and so i think in the i think you look at the is best team and i think it's not that bad but it is light in the final day the thing about it is there's players when you look at it i think like the keepers fan i think the defenders is sound i think the midfield isn't too bad i think the midfield's decent actually especially and it's proved that but higher up you go and it's not that these players aren't good footballers but the fundamental thing in that final third is goals so you might be a really good winger or you know you might be like a nice football or whatever but if you can't put the ball in the back of the net which wins you games you're going to struggle the reason is i've said this before if you've got a winger on one side that is capable of getting double figures and you've got a centre forward who's capable of getting 15 and the midfielder who's capable of getting six or seven behind yeah then your other winger might be one who only gets four or five but he's creative and he's three you know we had it with pina steven pina had the and i know when rolling back the years here but steven pina didn't score a lot of goals but he's very very very creative but we had other players in that team that likes a kale who did get goals and strikers who did get goals and therefore when you're looking at a steven pina it's not a big glare and thing that he doesn't score goals but right now evidence no he's part of the mix isn't he but evidence front three Dave now is i mean goal scorer in that squad isn't fit and he's not going to be fit on saturday lampard said that'd be amazed if he's fit us or something along those lines neil maw pai bless him isn't a big goal scorer and we don't create any real chances for the kid anyway and that that times last night he was on the wing look like he wasn't even a striker and our wingers don't get goals so and our midfielders don't score goals so you can set up a structure and go this team isn't bad but without goals it's not going to go anywhere anyway the positive for me i mean aside from the the the two young lads coming on stanley mills and and tom canham which was good to see and and obviously bodes well for the future but the risk of staying the obvious with the goal from dimari gray which he took well at least it was because he's a player that we criticized a lot in terms of of actually consistently not having the right end product and what consistency but also that's what it is making right at the end and and not having not being clinical enough not being ruthless enough you know sort of featuring out like so many of them do and and it was good to see him not mess around last night get his opportunity he came on he hit the ground running he scored a fantastic goal and he was straight into the game you know as opposed to so many other players cobalikle crossers in and no one gambled either yeah yeah and and so that was one positive but there just needs to be more of it no unfortunately you know we also suffered from the situation we've had many times before and i hate to single people out but i always think about michael keen when i sort of say this in terms of that thing about your heads going down you know he's a real player for he's i mean he's always been he's always been a confidence player or rather a lack of confident player for me you know i've i've i've seen him time and time again where you see him coming out the tunnel and you kind of go he's not right he's really not right i'm not saying he's not a i'm not saying he's not a good footballer he's not he's not a capable centre half i think it's all and i take no pleasure in saying this i think it's all upstairs you know the amount of shy above it yeah i think so and as i say i take no pleasure in that you know and uh but heads went down and and it was just made to be very very very very easy for is that your second string boom the first two goals were calamitous when he's first on loops off a defender and it's the underside of the bar and goes in and the second one we slip over and and then to be honest even the third one the key was going to do better for me but there you go that was that was evident and bounced out of there following that lesser thing and it's it's food for thought the manager was look quite pissed off really afterwards saying players players you're moaning you can't moan now can you you know and that's what i'd be saying i'd be saying you've come to me all week going why aren't i playing well there's your there's your chance and you've you've done nothing so don't moan when you're not back in the side you can't moan a bar you had your opportunity you both said before you train all week you should be ready to hit the ground when you're playing you should be going i'm going to show him he's a knobhead for not playing me yeah and and can any of them really can any of them really walk off that pitch and go i told you i should be in our first team anyone you know we got it back to two went to two one didn't it and we had that you know a woby should really slip my whole pie in around the corner he's in on with the keeper and he tries a shot and he gets block brother than that we just we build build build and then we can see the stupid third goal matter it's like you've done that from from being you know one two suckers that michael cain has dropped too deep he's not in line at yet he mean it therefore the lad's miles on side and it is that kind of thing and sadly for for some of those players you can bit your moan all you want but when you get your opportunity if you're not you don't go and do it like for some of the bormath players that they might have three or four lad sat in out going to Gary Neill will I should Gary Omnil I should be in there or you know you can bring me on because look what I did do tonight can any of them play a say that no and if they're not you know if they're not ready to come in you know given their opportunity especially those that started it's not even like suddenly you're coming in cold off the off the bench or something you know it's not I mean you know the greatest example of that I suppose is when you get a goalkeeping injury and you have somebody who is fully not expecting to play anytime soon yeah you know and he's just there because they're contractually obligated then suddenly you know they're kind of like oh Christ you know I'm actually on now I've not not not done anything for three months I'm actually on it wasn't like that kind of situation at all and it does obviously beg the question of what on earth they're doing at Finch Farm all week if they can't you know if they if they if they can't impress in that kind of situation Tom Davis should have been doing everything he was disappointing because he has done quite well in the Premier League and started being involved in hasn't he yeah you know I've seen this last night brilliant in the dark he was absolutely terrible absolutely terrible but you know when he started the season he did all right he's a player that I think he's a player that you can drop into the first team and do a good job but when he's sort of asked to be part of the also runs which he's one of them he looks dreadful and he always does and that's where people jump on him but obviously he's not good enough he's not good enough to be in the Everton side and you know we've got to that point now where he's not he's probably not he's not where he's not good enough to go forward take us forward and neither is the core and neither is Michael Keane and neither is Jeri Meenon and Mason Holgate and okay someone like Mason Holgate can be a filly and all that kind of thing but they're just not good enough and and that's where it's a fine line between shouldn't the manager already know this stuff and does the club really care about a trophy and clearly they don't and and you know I think if you understand that in a way then you can go welfare enough he had every right to give these players a go and rest them and it ultimately just does it does come down to he wants as many fit players as first team players as he can for saty because he knows that's the bread but he knows but us as fans we're not sitting here moaning about the fact that really if you think about it you're not sitting here moaning about the fact we've gone out of a cup competition we could have win we're all sat here concerned that we've got a Premier League game at the weekend that we may lose again and if we do we're going into a six-week break and quite possibly could be in the bottom could be in the bottom we all know that's a trophy we're in we're not going to win and now a lot of people feel like that is a trophy you can win but deep down we all know we're not going to win that and the manager knows that and that's why he's played the team and and and in reality that team will look nothing like the team that started that starts on saty look nothing like the team that started against Leicester but it is that thing of just what what runs through our football it's a message as well but also is what is what it's a message and the it's a message in the attitude that it gives to Bournemouth as well because what a lift for them ahead of saturday to kind of go and you know what i know it's going to be you know i know it's going to be a largely different side but in terms of the general confidence and feeling that they will have they have nothing to worry about on saturday they will prepare for that they'll know that they've got better players to come back and they will do it all again and they're not going to fear us in the slightest and what could have happened last night is we could have played four or five youngsters from the start got beaten the same score but we'd all be sitting here going on he's got facing me experience he's got facing me something like oh look now this kid is all you would never play in all that kind of thing i just thought he should have put the lads on earlier that we've got a criticism of frank lampard last night just that he should have and i put the other the three McNeill on the water and that on to try to to because he obviously wasn't impressed with what he was saying and he thought these three will show us up a little bit and maybe he did we got a reaction we got a goal we couldn't maybe got an equaliser if if there will be slips and all that but i still would have got the other two lads on for longer as well because once it went three one came over one but yeah let's move on from that anyway that was quite depressing i'm gonna ask you this just because i mean i don't have to really go on about the jungle but the jungle is on the way right and no no this the only thing i want to ask is have you been watching Dave or not i've seen bits of it okay i could have i could have predicted you were gonna say that um bore i'll just wanted to ask did you see any of it last night i made sure i watched the last night because i now i thought that he i thought in terms of somebody coming in and doing a challenge especially a challenge which he was by his own admission terrified about doing because heights is his thing yeah this was called heights of horror horse i mean the clue was in the title or horror heights or whatever it was yeah i thought he did brilliantly because he got every single star that he could have possibly got he did he did and it was raining mad raining and he was absolutely pouring with 100 foot up on a little thing right should have stayed in wales yeah that's what he said the weather was better weather in wales but i think about he did he done really well but as he all because i seen something last night about the thing and it has he almost took the the jordan uh what's jordan north um not jordan not jordan the other jordan with the two up front i'm like ever um as he took so we need exactly what we need um the jordan north route to success so what i mean by that is day one he's took to the top of a whatever that building is he's the one who bottled it on the first day he bottled it on day one right and to be fair right my missus was fuming with him because he didn't have a go on the girls i'd have i'd have bottled it as well jill scott was awesome was amazing and she is amazing to be fair to her but i would have bottled it there because i'm terrible at standing on this desk and start feeling wobbly right so fair play i was like no but my hands my hands were actually clammy watching it which is mad right but he bottled it yeah but and then last night he attacked the day like phil neville i understand now i've seen people after he done it tactical it's the winner now he's the winner because he's overcome oh he's tactical as he gone full tactical without without jordan north without watching it without watching it um it does feel tactical that do you just explain in a time he feels like he's he's gone in there gone i'm i'm gonna be king shithouse yeah but you're watching you're watching me bounce back and and no this is a shithouse i mean fair play that you put it's the jordan north playbook but it's it there's a story arc there there is somebody watches a lot of films i can see the story arc um clearly boy george is going to be the bad guy in this story boy george looks like the villain a villain does he looks like a panto villain doesn't he i mean he he looks like you should boo him when he comes down and and see i thought i thought the himbo what's his name oh in oh you know i'd listen oh he might oh it's something he's in he's in holliox holliox Romeo in holliox he wouldn't want him in your in your book with no he can't be that stupid i'd want him lifting stuff he can't be that stupid the kids say he's got it he can't i mean page bless her who comes in and does does work for us she is very much the same age and the same mentality you can tell that girl she was made or anything and she little bit like honestly Dave you honestly i could i could tell her i honestly could tell her anything and she'd go she would honestly she's that gullible and at the minute she's lovely she's an amazing human being but she is the most gullible person till i saw him and then i thought are you for real is this a game you're playing it could be a tactic they could be playing it because the jungle the jungle reveals all it does you know what i mean the truth he seems like he's a dead nice lad this kid he's come across as a nice lad he's obviously his abs are incredible so fair play to him he should be like that it's his job and he's done the shower he's credit where is he's always done that and i don't think he's quite got the intelligence to be king shit house by the way no he's he's he's he's a mixer i mean again Dave you might have seen bit last night you might not or say but he he was going on about how i'm gonna forget the girl's name now but one of the girls in there is doing the cooking it's quite easy to forget people's names in there considering none of them are fucking celebrities no no but you know fair enough um but he was talking about it and she's dead contradictory this is the fellow that's saying i won't be told what to do and then has said to her tell me what to do you mean like i'm gone you've just said you won't be told what to do now you're asking so you've got him and then you've got Mike Tyndall who and magic Mike i mean i thought that was something different he can rap i'll give him that he can rap last night that absolute lunatic he got in the RV thing he got the keys to get in it right there's an RV in the camp and it's been locked and he got in it last night and he went in and there's some stupid big huntsman spider at about 43 foot he just went over and got it but to be fair though in his hand and walk to be fair he's a professional rugby player right have you seen some of the things they get up to it's a spider they get like pictures with certain things while they're sleeping their mouths and all guys he said he said that his worst injury was when he not only broke his ribs and punched it along but he lacerated his liver yeah lacerated and probably went on the ale and you know what the himbo said when he said that he went he went oh his injuries were mad he's lacerated his liver i don't know what lacerated means but it sounds bad Mike Tyndall has probably done worse things on tour with the rugby team listen anything that you know pussies in the royal family pussie he's in the royal family oh he said pussie he's in the royal family as well so he knows he goes on the lizard mother ship you know he's in the whole lot really well as well he's well spoken it's a nice fella do you know what i mean i just it was just a fact i i know what you're saying and you're absolutely right but the fact that and they have done things that you'd say at maybe a Tory convent you know honest to god the things in the mouth the thing they don't know this he lives down south the fact that the things your players get up to right he's in the community he knows small village like the stepwood stepwood well i'm not in the rugby union community no i'm not no what i mean is living south of Birmingham what i mean is you're in the community i don't mean you he's just called you a stepford wife Dave the community i know i've had worse reviews na fair play but now we pick this spider up like he picked like you've been picking a bit of litter off the floor that was you know nothing and i was impressed with it because i am i hate spiders and he's picking up like in the same way that ped might pick up one of Loki's turds i think you've picked it up more with more grace than ped would do that you've got to be quite gentle when you're picking up yeah you've got to get everywhere you know we've done that we've done that before but now i just thought the pub is on the um i thought you know we should think they go in with like an idea in their heads because obviously they are they are almost um when they get them in they are they are given certain role i don't mean given as in like do this for me but the fact boy george is not earning more money than anyone else is basically because he's not like he's a mega celebrity boy george now oh he has been george i mean this is the fellows in the 18 for god's sake the man was in the 18 that's how big he was in the 18 but he's in there and he's getting paid more money than everyone else because they want him to be a bitch they want him to stay the pot so they have all got like certain roles george scott in there she's not massively famous but they've seen she's got a bit of personality from the euros afterwards she was singing and stuff on the stage and she she could be like an up and coming and people are warm to her she's she's a dark horse for this by the way she is she's a dark horse for this that's right see i i don't agree i think she's i think she's she's one of the the top of the bookie's favorites already her i thought you're gonna say that day because you were in the industry so no no no no because i because i was on paddy power like 10 minutes ago having a look at the book well no she is now no she is now of course because she's you know she's going to be the new queen of queen of heart but that's the before and i wonder of whether how many people actually would have known it the minute you're on tv and i'm a celebrity you're famous for being on i'm a celebrity aren't you straight away because that many people watch it you made a ball last night he was juggling and he was like i need to kick a ball it was definitely like and she's having a game with with the kid i can't even i need to win i win that's it i win i win i win something i don't need the shame but let's call him out you know he's getting that a bit i mean that's a bit harsh we'll call him out but yeah no it was interesting it was interesting the uh and obviously we've got uh one cock going into nice see this is why i can't i don't know if i'm watching it or not he's gonna get destroyed i am literally i'm literally download on the app just about for the knob i know but the the other thing is though right i don't have anyone asked this but i i um i can't necessarily watch things also even if people are terrible i don't like them i i find it really like cringy watching people like i watched have i got news for you on friday gary nevel was on it and i was squaming for gary nevel like i get embarrassed on behalf of other people it's a weird thing but so i can't like sit there not like um when you have prank shows and all that i can't watch anything like that because i minus this is a bit like i squam on other people's be asked and even though i despise the man for everything he's done i don't know if i can sit there and watch him get that i just watching no joy in that no no just listen it is what it is but i he's on them i watch it so you know i'm not even allowed to i mean i know that there isn't technically a language policy on this broadcast but i can't even use the word well don't use anything other than don't beat the rocket see dave just say whatever in the nice way i can't say it in a nice way no go on okay no don't say it other than me and you dave dave's actually got a career yeah yeah yeah i'm not i'm not what loosely listen it is what it is with them do you other fella i i didn't know who he was who's coming in um is it shawnt someone oh oh shawnt wash now all right do you want me to tell you about shawnt wash is he the shawnt wash isn't he the one of sickly who had a little he's a comedian who had you went into strictly supposedly this is from i don't know the guy but this is what what what we were all told okay went into strictly and he had a long-term girlfriend right and then he may have doubled their fallen out to the strictly curse and he may have had potentially rumor would suggest something of a thing with his dance partner who i think was called katia um and that then split up him and his girlfriend according to press reports that i may have read it wasn't and it wasn't very embarrassing as well i think i think i now i think i remember not him but i remember the the fraud so obviously the first thing he's going to be asked when he gets it of course he did that but he's got to say that in public she's a problem blah blah blah blah blah blah blah the problem you've got with that with the strictly case right you know i turned it down this year you know i think i'd have been okay now the problem you're going to have on that really is they spend so much time with those people every day in very close proximity of course doing doing hand i mean you can see yeah you can see how it happened yeah who could resist only addams it's only addams i mean last week and i only know this because of google box but he done a dance where he ripped his pants off apparently i mean and he's getting rar in so it's like come on tony you're with the captain and it's what's funny is the three lads are on there um Tristan Tremaine and Tawain or whatever they call the three the funny lads put one of them's like no this is my captain and they're like you can see them going oh tony no because obviously he was like the man money of Arsenal the hard man and all that and he is the fake is the fake net still on google box here's the fake net the fake net the lad who sits there with his girlfriend oh what did with the black in like from manchester it's fake net the lad who sit the lad from black pool he's who's amazing who sits with his sister oh is that his sister well it is it is black pool no they are they're the best two they are funny as anything i don't even think they're uncle no Ned was sorry Dave and then you're coming Ned was there was a family on from bacon Ned the dad but the step that was German oh yeah that was ages yeah but he never spoke that was a German family of out of brexit did he yeah he did anyway Dave what were you gonna say do you know so the ones that you're thinking of pet interesting fact about them so this is thingy and so peter and soffy peter and soffy from blackpool and their uncle is paul chuckle oh well what a lineage water bloodline put that just goes back because we've discussed paul chuckle on here and we've and Ned is a bit of a chuckle brother so so you know there you go but i i do like they are really funny they're funny density they're very sharp like i don't watch it but i watch actual tv that's the thing the thing the thing that always gets me with google box is that i've become obsessed with the positioning of their sofas what happens is that you look at it and and obviously what they're trying to do is they're trying to make a nice convenient angle so that you can have the family on it on an angle and you put them in a corner often you look and you kind of go well that wouldn't work because you got two sofas up against especially them two especially them two you think well you'd never get into that you can't get into the room and and if they're backed onto a wall there's not going to be much circulation you're going to get damp you're going to get damp you know what i mean and if there's a radiator behind that you're going to do and you know and you can't put up some foil on it like edwin acury said you know out of the foot to bounce it out yeah yeah and you say that you don't put radiators on nowadays do yourself a top water hot water bottle in the black what's the for buy a toffee tv hoodie yeah i mean there's a there's a seamless link to that as well i just seen just before we finish i just seen this mad story i love how we've gone from pure despair leave talking about him bones and couch positions classic classic classic pod classic pod uh gwen police have spent 40 000 pound on crime fighting tuc tucs oh yeah um and the community feedback has been overwhelmingly positive this one there is a how hang on hang on how does a tuc tuc fight fan the three wheelers are commonly used as taxis in Asia we're driven by officers and council ambassadors where's this sorry this is in gwent yeah i was going to say gwent because i imagine those things would would be in someone's backyard and i was going to say if this is in Liverpool a lot of just be picked up and walked off with on london i guess as well why why would you i mean i can understand the value of them as a form of transportation in hot countries such as southeast asia why would you southeast asia is not a country i've got to pick you up on that oh i didn't okay to be fair i didn't say hot actually i probably southeast asia is a region of the world countries like the ones in southeast asia is what i probably i was being lazy if i hadn't pulled it up on it someone would have am you pulling up a fella who was born in hong kong exactly that's why it's one of the short the issue wanted to make sure that that no one had to go for anyway listen back to me yeah so i don't understand why you i can understand i can understand that when you're somewhere where you want to get around in your flip flops and stuff and you want to go to the beach and their handy form of transport yeah why would anybody decide that they would be a good crime fighting form of transport in gwent or anywhere else because they're not fast no um they offer no protection again yes you know i don't really understand the they're not even electric they're almost like a rubbish milk float yeah in a way aren't they they haven't got milk on them for a start no but that's what i'm saying but you know but all of the most rubbish milk float don't have milk no no but they are open in general so i just want to but i also want to clarify this because i know that there are tuk tuk's in liverpool in use and i want to know whether davin is in his rugby union community um that's part of the stefford wire because there are tuk tuk's in liverpool which have like karaoke machines on them and you just get on them and like sing karaoke i was in when i was in the smoke the other week there was loads going on there and why have you just gone suddenly all 1960s when i was in the smoke mate there was a we are in the same game i'm getting it all that i'm getting dick van dyke i'm on marioel jumping to a phone oh oh oh can i can i just sorry right before i forget right we'll go i have to tell you go on the dick van dyke story oh go on i love dick i actually it's not a real dick it's the only van dyke i like it to be fair i remember i remember going to sadamton away years ago and st mary's hadn't long opened and i was going with my mate tony burn who's from west arby and my mate alan james who's from old swan do you know these part of the bayos no andy busard expect you to know them big bernie go on dave and so so we're going the game and um and we're trying to find someone with a park and and there was there's no obvious place and then the the looks to be you know when they have like a little bit of wasteland there was like a cement works or something like that right outside of st mary's and and obviously what they've done is is they'd unofficially made this somewhere for you know sort of vip's club members etc etc but very much on the sadamton side yeah so tony drives in and winds down the window and kind of goes excuse me mate can we poke it and the guy fell for it and he kind of goes yeah and he points at him over there and i just remember alan just kind of saying what the fucking hell was that big van dyke ha ha ha dyke I remind you if we're doing car park stories let me do my car park story very very quickly it's not as good as that but in 2000 and 2000 me and a couple of mates went to see oasis at the rebox stadium as it was then yeah and i had this i had this deumatiz it was tiny but it was a brand new car and I parked it in the car park so the rebox was right next to this big car park and like it and stuff and I worked on the railway and when you work on the railway you're always having an orange vest in the back of your car don't ask me why it's just lawyer so we're parking it we're parking it and we meet we've been there and you know you can imagine the traffic getting out all coaches terrible and everyone everyone was on coaches or or cars and um so me mate mate bladder just go get in the back of the car get the orange vest on get out and just start doing all the traffic and honest to god it was like the italian job we got out of the car park at about two minutes and he jumped in the back properly doing up like properly knowing you see the americans doing it from all the handshakes and all the buses got out the way for us it was absolutely amazing i mean it's not as funny as days but it was it was amazing just brilliant just watching me mate like all battered orange vest just navigating and we're navigating between coaches and they're all move super well i'm going to finish with the story this is it's you were down you were down in the smoke then it's no no no forget i've gone on to a car park story you know it's not technically a car park i want you to go back to your London story okay it was not good to be fair but um the London story i'll finish the London story we were there walking along by the bits you know that bit of London um heading towards Piccadilly and this took took went past that was like the buzz in the 19th the music blasting out there was two people in the back the fella just like spinning along like carling and all that carry yeah all kinds of led lighting all over it led lighting wouldn't that be a led to be a health hazard yeah it would have been especially with the you've got led and you've got the the car especially off the floor yeah and i wonder if you had to pay the congestion charges as well because you're right in the middle anyway that went past that was tux tux they are alive and well in the smoke as well forget that move on so years ago we went to what ever in the pride park and i got a a car park pass i was making it so i got a car park pass at pride park darby so we go we get in i think everton said the game me 143 nope we won 2 nil your cube is good so we come out and cos i had the car park pass the usher does out slightly different way than than we would have gone but the bip line yeah basically and the team bus is in front of us so we get to the top of this road and the team bus goes left and our driver goes now it's right i don't know where they're going so we go right so the team bus is going back obviously to mesi side with obviously evidence yeah we went right and after an hour and 20 minutes we went back past pride park we were going and it was the days before sat down so we're driving i'm going there's no signs for liveable we come back we could follow i mean would have been sensible surely just to follow basic navigation got turning left out of darby would take you towards mesi side wouldn't you i just followed the team coach we had a similar problem on you know when i did those um the round the ground things with chappers and we did like the charity things oh yeah around all the things collecting a shirt and a ball and whatever like this was years ago and we'd we'd we'd just come we'd just done oxford i think and we'd just done we'd done oxford and then we'd done wicom and then i think the next one was qpr and so there's me and chappers our mate nil who was our producer and then the lad called roche he was a cameraman and roche happened to be in the front therefore operating the sat now classic and his his football knowledge was the least of all of us and so he puts it in yeah it's all fine blah blah blah we get get to the round about having come out of adams park can i go is it heading north well surely it's south it's got to be you know why is it heading us north but he'd put in he couldn't uh he couldn't be bothered to don't say yeah you know where this is going don't you he put in queens park queens park fc right which was classic roche approximately 400 miles you play a hand on park out of out of our way anyway we quickly rectified it and we had to fill off just road and all was fine you got into shepherd's bush yeah there you go there you go you know very quickly you're confident for saturday dave no no i'm not you know and and i do i feel that i feel a lot of damage has been done based upon last night in terms of i think in terms of the balance of of confidence i think it's massively skewed against us i think our heads are going to be down and i think they will be buoyant and we have to work even harder to to overcome that from the off is a draw a decent result i'd be happy with the draw yeah okay okay for you we need more no we do no we need a win but yeah i suppose i'd just take a draw and then can't wait for six weeks going to be like the most chilled out time ever you see the thing is just i will be brief with this the thing is the bottom 10 i've all got difficult gains saturday yeah one of them i'm ever no one of them know what i'm saying but therefore i've seen someone say i've ever been win the raxi finish off the 1911th position for the break let's do that and that will be good let's do that going into the break in 11th i think most of us are going well all right with that let's do that but uh i think the issue of scoring goals is not inside the club we've said that and we have to get because we look top of the table on the second page won't we exactly and that's all if you can you know that maybe should be evidence first goal be top of page two maybe that should be the first market that you aim for you know and we'll see that as a victory who knows it will be back next week when we'll be discussing hopefully an event and victory oh it's bush by the way we haven't even mentioned him all the bush is um if you watch if you watch x of slice he's interviewing a boldy fella off there the little comedian how do you know he's hang on because i don't know him from anything else how do you know he's little he comes across as little he probably towers over me across as little probably towers over me how do you come across as little he looks no i'm i'm with baz as well now you know as as as like he bas you know i'm not the tallest guy in the world you know and normally normally you know ceiling beams don't bother me no i think one of these days we should try and get bush to introduce it to tom allen we should have a lineup and we should actually i think so how tall or not tall he is i think that's a good one and i think and then that's on you then shame on you if he's little like me and davis dav what's the average size of your village you mean in terms of area height height height height height it can't be that many people living your village do you know them all by name i know most of them is it like postman i know most of them no what you should have said is they know they know me i'm sure they do i'm sure they do i know most of them especially uh sander who cuts his ass and it's not a sander what's her name again jillian jillian sorry scottish jillian i should have not noticed jillian yes i should have played right big thanks to dav as always i finished a lot more upbeat in the starter than i think that is what we do try to do maybe we should have started with the upbeat stuff no because then everyone would have gone away then it would tail off everyone would have switched off really oh yeah everyone that's not how that's not how it works you have to keep the listening entertained okay i think it's always good to go out on the happy ending i think so i think dav i mean it's it's something that many people who've gone to asia have always stuck by the same thing you think and you can get them all good massage parlers as well thanks for listening we'll see you next week bye