 Well, I'm impressed. You know that you're on the front line. And now you're just going to have to come over here. And just be the forester. Yeah, but you can't really get a committee tonight. Not on your channel. You're going to have to see us. You might have to go and get a new one. Wait. I want you to still say goodbye. I'm sorry. Say excuse me. After that, maybe eight. Thank you. This is the 13th regular meeting of the 2010 2011 Common Council. And as his customary, our city clerk, Sue Richards, will read the quote of the evening. Thank you, Mayor. The challenge is to practice politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible possible. Thank you, Sue. Roll call, please. Here. Bowers. Here. Decker. Here. Hammond. Here. Hanna. Here. Heidemann. Here. Kapp. Here. Kittleson. Excuse. Montemure. Here. Ringfleisch. Here. Wrestler. Here. Sampson. Here. Vanderweel. Here. Versi. Here. We have a quorum now if we can all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and will be led by Alderman Bowers. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Alderman Bowers. Looking for approval of the minutes of the prior Common Council meeting. Move to approve. Second. Motion in a second to approve the minutes of the prior Common Council meeting under discussion. If there is none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Resignations. Attorney McLean. Now there's a letter from Greg Herring to Randy Schwerer, the Harbor Center Business District Manager, advising that Mr. Herring is no longer able to serve on the Harbor Center Business Improvement District as of immediately. And requesting that his partner be considered for appointment. Thank you for a motion. Vice President Rindflash. Move to accept the resignation. Second. We have a motion in a second to accept and file under discussion. If there is none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Mayor's appointments. I don't believe we have any this evening. We have none. Public forum. Okay. First on the list would be Bob Irish. If you could make it up to the microphone, please. Hi, Bob. And we would like your home address. 1034 Dillingham Avenue. Dillingham. Dillingham. He is a dog. I got it. And you will have five minutes, sir. Okay. Good evening. I didn't realize I would be such a draw this evening. It's nice to see that. After attending the first listening session at the Mead Public Library for the ambulance referendum, I walked away asking how did the council allow that to happen? The Greater Sheboygan Committee's presentation was filled with inconsistencies, speculation and half-truths. Not the quality information you need to make a major decision. I will refute four issues this evening. Before I begin, I would recommend that both presentations be done using the same accounting method. The city used marginal cost and the Sheboygan Greater Committee used cost accounting. Hard to compare, very complicated for the average citizen. I believe that should be changed. I also find it ironic that neither presenter for the Greater Sheboygan Committee are residents of the city. Issue one, the budget. The city states the ambulance portion of the budget is approximately $1 million. And the fire department portion is $7 million. That totals eight for the 2010 year. The Greater Sheboygan Committee, and I generalize, believes the ambulance costs more, say $2 million for ease of discussion. Why? Because they allocated 14 firefighter paramedics from the fire side over to the ambulance side. What the Greater Sheboygan Committee forgot to tell everyone is the fire department's portion of the budget then drops from $7 million to $6 million. Because, again, the 14 paramedics went from the firefighter side over to the ambulance side. No matter how you slice the budget pie, the budget still adds up to $8 million. And the ambulance profit, yes, the profit, still goes into the city's general fund, keeping taxes low. Why doesn't the Greater Sheboygan Committee tell you the fire department side of the budget drops? Do they want us to think that the fire and the ambulance costs more than it really does? Is that accurate and complete information? The ambulance revenue and profit is why Alderman Jim Geisha stated several times in these chambers that the ambulance revenue is the third largest revenue source for the city and the ambulance is the main reason the city property taxes did not go up. Number two, response time and manning. It takes 67 firefighters to operate three ambulances and five fire stations. Why is that important? Response time. It takes, if you take four firefighter paramedics away, a station closes and response time will suffer. Fires grow quickly the faster the response, usually the smaller the fire and the faster we can put it out. Medical emergencies like heart attacks and trauma, if you can get there within four minutes, responses, four minute responses are critical. After four minutes without blood, the brain starts to die. If you have major bleeding, it needs to be stopped for the same result. Quoting their expert, Dr. Bledsoe, the Greater Sheboygan Committee tries downplaying response times and wants you to believe that, quote, outcomes not response times are best indicators of performance, unquote, that's from page 13. Again, they forget to tell that their expert, Dr. Bledsoe, also states, quote, however a survival benefit was identified when the response time was within four minutes for patients with intermediate or high risk of mortality, unquote. 2007 expenses not included in the ambulance cost. The Greater Sheboygan Committee also claims that the ambulance spent an additional $551,000 in 2007. That's from their page seven. The city did allocate $551,000 mainly, and I emphasize mainly for the purchase of three ambulances. The city purchased them. A review of the records shows that the city leased them for $87,000 a year starting after 2007. Well, so much for accurate and complete information. Issue four, Rochester, New York. The Greater Sheboygan Committee touts Rochester as the model. That's ridiculous. The executive summary, page one of the final report which they, quote, from states that the city should, number, quote, increase penalties to the ambulance contractor for violations of the ambulance contract, unquote. Why? Their private ambulance provider had 6459 violations to their contract in a two-year period. That's an 18% violation rate. We don't want that in Sheboygan. Has the Greater Sheboygan Committee given us accurate and complete information? You make the call. They also want to compare us fighter-fighter-wise to Rochester, New York. Excuse me, Bob, would you like your additional minute? Second. They have 207,000 people, 510 firefighters. We would need to add another 55 firefighters to the Sheboygan table of organization at across the 4.5 million to be comparable to them. Keep the ambulance in the, keep the fire ambulance in our fire service together. The fire department needs, you know, the ambulance. It needs five stations and it needs 67 firefighters. Finally, keep the ambulance profits coming in. That profit helps keep down property taxes. On November 2nd, vote no. Vote no and keep our taxes low. Go to firefacts.com and get the real story. Thank you. Thank you, Bob. Thank you, Bob. We can skip the applause on the public forum. Thank you. Next. Okay, next. Now I don't want to murder your name. It's Rebecca. Is it Barrises? Okay, Rebecca, could you come up please? And we would ask that the crowd out in the hallway and in here please do not clap. We just want to give respect to the people that are speaking. Rebecca, can you give me your home address please? Sure. It's 1414 North Fifth Street. You probably want to pull that mic down just a little bit. Okay. Is that better? 1414 North Fifth. Yes. Okay. You will have five minutes. Okay. Council, Mayor and community members. Thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak about why I feel breed specific legislation is not an appropriate choice for Sheboygan. My name is Rebecca Barrises and I manage a pet store and own a pit bull. I have owned pit bulls for well over 10 years and none of my dogs have ever been aggressive towards any person or another dog. After talking to community members and people in the pet industry for the past five days, I keep hearing stories about how their experience with bully breed dogs has always been a positive one. I have heard from people who deal with dogs every day, groomers, vets, humane society workers and doggy daycare employees. These are all people whose opinions I respect as experts in the area of dog behavior. Their personal dog aggression stories include breeds such as lab and cocker spaniels, which is not to say that labs and cocker spaniels are any more dangerous than other dogs. All dogs can and may bite given the right set of circumstances. You should vote no to this ordinance because it will not significantly reduce the number of dog bites in Sheboygan. Breed specific legislation is wrong and there are many more effective solutions available. No one researched the following data until bully breed owners asked the police department for the specific facts late last week. Here are some facts from the city of Sheboygan police report. In 2010, there have been 80 dog bites in the city year to date. Only 12% of bites were from pit bulls or pit bull mixes. Police reports show labs to be the second most common breed to bite this year. This shows that if we muzzle only one breed, we still have a significant bite problem. Some of the 12 dangerous breeds that were intended for this ordinance have no bites recorded in 2010. However, 24 dog breeds not considered for this ordinance have bitten people this year. These facts do not support a breed specific legislation in our community. The police reports for the pit bull bites show that a number of the incidents fall under current ordinances. Three of the 10 bites by pit bulls would have been prevented had their owners obeyed the current leash law. I am recommending that we place stiffer penalties on those not obeying the current laws. I believe that breed specific legislation is wrong. Muzzling any dog who has not shown signs of past aggression will not reduce the number of dog bites in the city. It's a great thing to do and very negatively affects the lives of responsible bully breed owners and their pets. I can't be able to exercise my dog safely while she's muzzled and it's against my 14th amendment rights to force me to muzzle her. It will produce anxiety in my dog and perpetuates the myth that pit bulls are dangerous. The CDC stated that BSL violates owners equal protection rights and violates due process. Where does it end? Not only does this ordinance call for muzzling pit bulls, it has been stated that the original intent was to include 12 breeds of dog that are on some dangerous breeds list. As I stated earlier, many of the breeds have not bitten anyone in Sheboygan this year. Let's listen to the dog experts both in our community and beyond. I have letters and emails from six veterinarians who work in Sheboygan stating that they do not agree with BSL and other reputable associations such as the AKC and National Vet Association agree. Instead they believe the solution to preventing dog bites is legislating and enforcing behavior-specific, not breed-specific laws. Chief Domogowski has supported bully breed organizations in Milwaukee in the past. There is no scientific proof that genetics cause a breed of dog to be aggressive, vicious, or dangerous. Irresponsible owners are to blame. BSL does not work and it isn't fair, which is why 11 states have passed laws making it illegal to declare a dog dangerous by breed. So what do we do about it? I propose an alternative solution to BSL that includes education in schools, required obedience classes for new pet owners, enforcing current laws like the leash and vicious dog ordinances, increasing community involvement, and creating a task force that could properly research this issue. Any research should include current City of Sheboygan data regarding all dog bites to identify where the real problem lies. We should also review other city ordinances and practices that have made a positive change in reducing the number of dog bites, not necessarily breed-specific legislation that is shown to be ineffective. The police chief confirmed that this dangerous and vicious dog issue came up in February of 2010, and until now we have only considered BSL ordinances and not any other solutions. Children are most at risk when it comes to dog bites. One of the other speakers tonight will be telling you about no and low-cost programs that could be implemented in our schools. There is an outreach program named Create a Bite-Free Community Without Banning Dogs. They recommend a multi-faceted approach which includes bright prevention programs for home service providers. Excuse me, Rebecca, would you like your extra minutes, please? Go ahead. Puppy socialization programs and the formation of a dangerous dog task force made up of key players in community government and animal welfare. I recommend we develop such a task force in Sheboygan, including two key players in the community government, two professional members, and at least two public members to help research and address this problem. I spoke with the chief of police earlier this afternoon and he said that he would be willing to either serve himself or have a police officer be a member of this team. I would be happy to volunteer as well. I am committed to keeping this community safe and at the same time not discriminating against dog breeds. I feel like it is a better way to stop irresponsible pet owners than this ordinance. Let's look at communities that have created effective, non-breed specific, dangerous dog laws such as California, Illinois, and Virginia. Thank you for your time and for keeping an open mind. It means a lot to me and many other people in this community. Thank you, Rebecca. Thank you, Rebecca. Next on the list is Tracy Fergens. Tracy, if you could come up to the mic, please. Tracy, did I get your name right, Fergens? Okay. I will need your home address, please. 2918, South 17th Street. South 17th? Yes. And you will have five minutes. Okay. Go ahead. All right. You stand before you today as a dog bite victim. I was two years old when our family's German shorthair pointer got tired of me irritating her. She turned and bit me in the face. My mother warned me to stay away, but as a two-year-old, I didn't listen. I also stand before you today as a dog grooming business owner. As a groomer, I have been bit a few times. I have never been bit by a pit bull, a Rottweiler, an Akita, or any other breed on the dangerous breed list. I have been bit by Lassa Opsos, Bichon's, Maltese, and from my experience, most Black Cocker Spaniels are aggressive fighters too. I stand before you today as a mother. A mother who would do anything to protect my child. I stand before you today as a dog owner and lover of the animal. That said, when our Shih Tzu got possessive of me and tried to bite my daughter, I didn't wait for a law to tell me it was time to talk about the dog. I did what any responsible mother would do. I protected my child from our family pet who, for whatever reason, became vicious towards her and anyone else that got close to me. After months of working on this and seeing the situation actually getting worse, we euthanized him. I am now the owner of three licensed dogs. A yellow lab, a boxing lab and hounder, and a nine-month-old cane-corsal mastiff mix who fits your description of a dog with pit bull characteristics. Lewis is by no means vicious. He barks and he would love to chase squirrels, but we need to remember he's an animal first. All dogs are animals first. We love them and they do become a part of our family, but responsible owners need to remember, no matter what breed of dog you have, they're all animals first. Take, for example, a Pomeranian who in October of 2000 killed a six-week-old baby. These four-pound dogs were originally bred as guard dogs. The uncle of the baby left the dog unattended with the infant. To single out one breed or 12 breeds is ridiculous. It's been proven that legislating against a particular breed does not reduce dog bites or bite fatalities. In the 1990s, the UK banned all pit bull type dogs. However, this ban did not reduce the number of dog bites. Denver County has been rated as having the highest dog-related injury rate of the state in spite of a 20-year-old breed ban. They're now repealing that ban. Increased taxpayer dollars are one of the reasons and the Justice Department's opinion that the view sweeps too broadly may be another. Calgary, Canada, on the other hand, has the lowest dog bite rates in 25 years without enacting ESL. It's irresponsible to say that your dog would never bite someone. All dogs are capable. While talking to a local vet on Friday, he told me he sees more bites from labradors and donations. Are they next on the list? We need to focus on educating children and parents on how to prevent dog bites. Maybe the answer lies in programs in schools teaching kids how to behave around dogs, which I have signed a petition to our Senator about. After all, we teach them to cross the street and how to wash their hands correctly. I would like to shift our focus to some famous vicious dogs, the Michael Vic dogs. In the book The Lost Dogs, author Jim Garant takes us on a journey with and about these dogs from their rescue in 2007 up to present day. There were a total of 66 live dogs removed from the property. 44 pit bull type dogs remain today. Of those pits rescued from one of the most well-funded and largest dog fighting rings in our country, most are living with families, families that have children and other dogs. Some have earned certification of good citizens and others are therapy dogs. Remember, these are some of the most vicious fighting dogs in our country. I am sad, appalled, and disgusted at Vic for what he has done. However, a small part of me is thankful. Not for his abuse of animals, but for bringing it out in the open, for showing criminals that dog fighting is not acceptable, it's illegal, and it should be punished. Thankful also for proving to the non-believers that pit bulls and pit bull type dogs are not vicious by nature. Only two of the Vic dogs were euthanized after their assessment due to aggression issues. If you have been lucky enough to know or love a pit bull, you know that these dogs are very full of life. They're athletic, vivacious, happy, smart dogs. Tracy, would you like your extra minute? Second. Yes, please. Go ahead. They're athletic, vivacious, happy, smart dogs. They love attention. They'll hog your bed and your heart. To close, I would like to quote the website dogbitelaw.com. As a practical matter, the current tide of public outrage should be focused on the enactment of measures that would deal effectively with the entire epidemic, not merely the breeds that kill. It would appear unwise to enact all kinds of control on one or two breeds, not necessarily because it would be unfair, but because it would produce narrow and therefore unsatisfactory results. The war against crime isn't a war against just the bank robbers, but all criminals. The war against drugs isn't a war against just the Colombian drug lords, but all the drug lords. For the same reason, the dog bite epidemic must not focus on the two breeds and stop there. The war on this epidemic must be comprehensive. Thank you. Thank you, Tracy. Thank you, Tracy. Next. All right. Next on the list, it's either Angel or Angelo. We didn't get, is it Angela? It's Angel. Angel. We got it right the first time. Cleansing, please. Come up. Angel, can I have your home address? 3727 Highway 42. And you will have five minutes. Hello. My name is Angel Cleansing, and I am here this evening to oppose the VSL ordinance that is being proposed by the city of Sheboygan. As a responsible dog owner, I would like to acknowledge there is a need to educate our society to protect themselves from dog bites. However, signaling out one breed for control ignores the true scope of the problem and will not result in a responsible approach to protecting our community's citizens. Since its inception in 1989, VSL has not reduced the number of severe dog bites or deaths. The statistics have held steady for the last 40 years. However, millions of taxpayer dollars have been spent while law enforcement authorities waste inordinate amounts of time policing a breed because the breed itself should not be singled out. Not all pit bull type dogs are dangerous, just as we know not all poodle type dogs are friendly. Pit bull concerns are based on fear and panic, not logic. The Center for Disease Control supports the position that irresponsible owners, not breeds, are the chief cause of dog bites. They have done studies that indicate the most dangerous breed of dog changes with popularity and reputation. I have suggestions for our community, but before I get to those, I would like to share with you some pit bull facts that you may not be aware of. Pit bulls are commonly used as therapy dogs. Whether they are visiting a senior care facility helping someone recover from an emotional accident, pit bulls are making a mark as an outstanding therapy dog. Pit bulls are used in search and rescue work, are great with kids. They weren't referred to as the nanny's dog for nothing. Pit bulls are not human aggressive. In fact, quite the opposite is true of the breed. They are gentle and loving dogs. An individual dog from any breed can become unsound and have behavior problems. Early in the 20th century, pit bulls were actually the number one family dog. Unfortunately, dog fighters use pit bull breeds because they are strong and agile and they have a desire to please their owners. Unfortunately, the pit bulls that are abused in this manner contribute to the negative myths that surround them. The United Kennel Club notes that pit bulls were never bred to be aggressive towards people and that this is uncharacteristic of the breed. Dogs that are abused, however, are more likely to become human aggressive no matter what the breed. Pit bulls are grievously mistreated in the attempt to turn them into fighting dogs and guard dogs. And the United Kennel Club also notes that a pit bull is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. And despite what some people believe, pit bulls actually make great pets for families. And tests that were done by the American Temperament Test Society, pit bulls were generally less aggressive when faced with a confrontational situation that produced negative reactions out of many other stereotypically friendly dog breeds such as a beagle or a poodle. Here are some of a few test scores from the American Temperament Test Society. The American Pit Bull received an astonishing 86 percent and a mixed breed an astonishing 86 percent. While the beloved Cali breed scored much lower at 79.2 percent, the mini poodle a 77 percent and a lapso-lapso 70.4 percent and yet you want to label all of the pit breeds dangerous. The Center for Sees Control and Prevention reports that 77 percent of dog bites are from the pet of family or friends and 50 percent of attacks occur on a dog owner's property. And that among children the rate of a dog bite-related injury is highest for those ages 5 to 9. So what can we do? Education is the key to reducing dog bites. Research shows that just one hour of dog safety training can reduce dog bites by 80 percent. Chris Crawford from pitstake.org runs a nonprofit organization to educate school-aged children on safety around dogs. The materials are available to purchase online. We teach our children to look both ways before crossing the street. We teach them to never accept rides from strangers. Excuse me, Angel, would you like your extra minute? Yes, please. We teach them gun safety and we have the DARE program. Let's use our tax dollars wisely and invest in a program for dog safety instead of trying to enforce a BSL that is ineffective and inhumane. 90 percent of prevention is knowledge. Dangerous animals should be labeled as such because of their actions or behavior and not because of their breed. Thank you. Thank you, Angel. Thank you, Angel. Next. Last on the list would be Eileen Ribbons. Eileen, if you could come to the front, please. Eileen, can I have your home address, please? My name is Eileen Ribbons and the address is 3107 North 20th Street, Sheboygan. 20th? 20th. You'll have five minutes. Thank you. My name is Eileen Ribbons and I'm the president of Sheboygan County Humane Society. Thank you for allowing me a few moments to address you this evening on the matter of general ordinance 281011 regarding vicious animals and regulations on pit bull and pit bull mixed dogs. The Sheboygan County Humane Society supports your efforts to implement an ordinance on vicious animals. We, however, strongly oppose breed-specific restrictions. There are numerous studies that show that breed-specific legislation does not work, maybe considered unconstitutional, and has not held up well to challenges in courts throughout the nation and the world. We've enclosed a number of supplements with an informational packet that we delivered to you earlier today in support of our position. We have also reviewed the requirements of the City of Milwaukee Pit Bull and Rottweiler Ordinance. It appears that general ordinance number 281011 by Alderperson Versailles was patterned after the Milwaukee program while we appreciate the Alderperson's compassion and efforts to protect the public from dog bites. Please bear in mind that the City of Sheboygan does not now have the infrastructure in place to enforce this ordinance, as is the case in Milwaukee. Milwaukee built and maintains a government-run and a government-funded state-of-the-art animal control facility called MATAC, with a $2.7 million annual tax-funded budget. They have a fleet of five designated vehicles equipped to humanely capture and transport animals. They employ four full-time and four part-time animal control officers who are designated solely to animal control and enforcement and ordinance enforcement. In addition, it takes 28 full and part-time employees to operate MATAC and serves a human population of 900,000 people, spending $3 per capita annually to operate the animal control facility. With Sheboygan's population at approximately $50,000, we could expect a similar program in Sheboygan to cost about $150,000 per year. We must ask if Sheboygan is prepared to fund this ordinance in these difficult economic times. We have also provided for you a blue fact sheet entitled Did You Know? Our research reveals a serious problem of enforcement of existing local and state laws in the city of Sheboygan. According to our statistics, over 75% of the dogs currently living in the city of Sheboygan are not licensed. As licensing ensures rabies vaccinations with chained, wandering, and stray animals are more likely to encounter wild animals and wild animals be more likely to be rabies. Ignoring licensing requirements and rabies vaccination law is not in the best interest of sound public protection and safety. We have also analyzed dog bite statistics from the city of Sheboygan records from January 1 to September 22nd of this year. There have been 80 reported bites in that time period. Of the 80 bites, 10 or 12.5% have been from pitfalls or pitfall mixes, while 24 bites or a full 30% were from dogs that are small and of toy breeds. It would appear from these numbers that targeting pitfalls will not necessarily protect residents from dog bites. Should this ordinance passes written and the targeted bull breeds may become less common in Sheboygan only to be replaced by other breeds of dogs. While we acknowledge that pitfalls have become the dog of choice for gangs, dog fighting rings, and other criminal elements, it does not mean that the pitfall breeds or their owners are bad people. And removing pitfalls from your community will not stop your gang problem. You may find that the unsavory criminal element will simply sidestep the ordinance and embrace other breeds you have not even thought of like the Presa Canario and the Argentinian Mastiffs and other designer created dogs. Of course we extend our heartfelt understanding to the suffering of victim of dog bites like those suffered by young AJ Sterling. It should be noted that the dog that bit AJ came from West Bend to Sheboygan when West Bend banned pitfalls. Excuse me, I mean would you like your extra minute? Yes. Move to ground. Second. Go ahead. This dog was not licensed and he did not have a current rabies vaccination. We are sure that it is not your intent to pass Sheboygan's problem to other neighboring communities but that could be the net result if this ordinance passes. We believe that general ordinance 281011 should be sent back to the drawing board for further consideration. We would truly appreciate being included in discussions on creating a vicious animal or animal control ordinance to date your humane society has not been included in these discussions. We are animal experts. We believe that we could help you craft an economical and fair ordinance while protecting public interest and respecting the rights of responsible pet owners. We also ask that you consider including funding for animal control in your 2010 city budget so that new programs can be adequately funded. Although we appreciate the council's attempt to solve community problems through law, we know the matters will only be made worse by passing breed specific regulation that unfairly victimized the innocent while failing to accomplish the lot of the goals you have intended. Thank you very much. Thank you, Eileen. That's all for public forum this evening under mayors announcements. I'll keep this brief tonight. Thank you everybody for speaking at public forum. Only one announcement this evening. Door-to-door survey will be held on October 16, 2010 from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. in the Southside neighborhood in the approximate area of Pennsylvania Avenue to the river south to the lake to Union Avenue to South 14th Street. Basically what this is is a neighborhood survey where we survey all the residents in the neighborhood about concerns in their neighborhood. We did this to start the Gateway Neighborhood Study, the Neighborhood Association, the Gateway Neighborhood Cleanups. We are now moving to the Southside and this is the first step of it. So we are looking for volunteers to help us out with this. I know I did this myself several years back. I know Alderperson Montemior was there. I don't know if anybody else currently on the council. Alderman Hannah might have been there. He's with nod in his head. It's actually very eye-opening when you go through and do these surveys and the public is more than willing to join us too. Basically it's a set list that you ask the residents. It's an anonymous survey and we will cover the entire area. It's the start of addressing the needs of the neighborhood. That will be on October 16th. The meeting place will be at St. Peter Claver Church on South 12th Street but I ask everybody if you would like to participate to please call Chad Peleszek in our city development office at 459-3383. That's 459-3383. And that's Chad. He's going to lead the charge on this. Hopefully participating in this myself as long as it's on my schedule and hopefully we can get some older persons to help us also in the general public. That is all I have for Mayor's announcements. I would look off to poll number 13-44 forward. Vice President Rindflash. Thank you, Your Honor. I do ask as acting president to pull forward 13-44 at this time. And then make a motion to place on file. Okay we have a motion to pull it forward and a second. Second on file too. Okay I'm pulling forward. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Document is pulled forward. Now we have a motion to file. Second. And a second. So the discussion right now is on filing this document under discussion, Alderman Versey. Your Honor. Vice President Rindflash please continue. Under discussion. The reason I made a motion to file instead of to refer back to committee is I think we do need to start over on this one. We heard the last speaker from the Schwoing County Humane Society asked to participate in the rewriting of a perhaps more strict law than we currently have in a way that makes some sense. So I urge Alderman Versey to do that. But at this time to file it and then hopefully we can start it over. Thank you. Thank you Vice President Rindflash to let the public and the chambers know to file the document means to kill it basically. Alderman Versey please. Thank you Your Honor. As far as discussion goes actually I was bringing it to motion to hold the document because we were going to use it as a document working document, pull it back and have several dog owners. Next committee, next council meeting I'd like to bring forward and create a special committee for them which would include several other people. Police chief or whoever he designs. The city attorney, someone from Humane Society already stepped forward and two dog owners along with that with a local veterinarian. So instead of filing it, putting it on hold and working with the current document with those people letting them have their input. Okay thank you Alderman Versey under further discussion Alderman Hanna. Thank you Mr. Mayor. It appears from emails and everything else, education is the issue. I think the cleanest way to do this is to file this document. Starts from scratch, former committee, get the right people. The city involves and come back forward. Thank you Alderman Hanna. Once again Alderman, Vice President Rindflash. Thank you Your Honor. I'm not opposed to the creation of the committee. I'm not opposed to, I think it's a great idea and a great step forward. A week into this we're already further than we were before. We actually are discussing perhaps the problem and looking at creative solutions. So I'm not opposed to the creation of that committee and urge that it is created. But I agree with Alderman Hanna that the cleanest way to start over is to file this time. Thank you Vice President Rindflash. Alderperson Montemar. Thank you Mr. Mayor. If we file this and all this information I would hope we would still be able to use this information and some of these basic ideas in the new committee that's going to be looking at something having to do with the safety of the citizens in Sheboygan. I'm sure that that could be brought forward to the committee. Okay that doesn't mean this is dead. This particular information. It means that this particular ordinance is dead but the information itself can be brought forward to the committee. Thank you Alderperson Montemar. Alderman Boren. Thank you Mayor Ryan. I like the idea of forming the committee. A year or two ago when I was chairman of law and licensing we had a controversial issue with the local bar owners about having outdoor street cafes. And the ordinance that came forward was very controversial and I believe you were mayor then. I'm not sure maybe it was Mayor Perez. We appointed a committee that consisted of the bar owners, the city attorney and a couple of interested parties and we came back with a... I think at that point I was just a frequenter of the street cafes. Oh okay. Very noble. But anyway after we formed that committee and they met a couple of times I think over a month period we came back with a document that was acceptable to all of the interested parties. And I think Alderman Versey has a good idea with forming this committee with all the interested parties. The police chief or somebody from his office, the assistant city attorney, somebody from the Humane Society, a local vet and a couple of dog owners. And I think if they sat down and hashed this out they can come back with something that's palatable to everybody to achieve the goals that I think have to be achieved and that is one of the big ones. Again I don't believe that the dogs are the problem. I think it's some irresponsible owners and I think we have to get a grasp on that through education or whatever. So I would just make a friendly addition to Alderman Versey and that if the council agrees to form the committee that we do it by the next council meeting and that that committee meet and report back to the council with a revised document within 30 days. Thank you. Thank you Alderman Boran. I have a question at hand right now is filing of the document. Alderperson Montemire. Thank you again Mr. Mayor. And I agree with Alderman Boran. I think that's fine just so that we actually do it because I do have constituents in my district that are terrified. And I want their fears to be addressed and as Eileen Ribbon said 75% of the dogs in the city are not licensed. So that as far as I can tell that 75% are not responsible pet owners. Thank you Alderman person Montemire. Alderman Versey. Thank you Your Honor again. I wish that we'd have this to kind of turn out for other city issues that we have because maybe your community would be even better better off all together. So as far as creating that we needed to do it in a timely manner. I don't want this to get like Alderman Boran said pushed under a carpet and not talked about again. It brought awareness to everybody. They opened a lot of people's eyes and that was my intent with this to do that and obviously it did. So we need to work on this and it needs to be done if we can do it within the 30 days to no longer than 45 days. And there can be a document brought into the next council meeting on this. Thank you Alderman Versey. On the motion to file we have no further lights. So we will go to a vote and I vote will be to file the document. Excuse me Mayor Alderman Boran I'm just going to put what you said to the side not making an official motion. Is that correct? I'll wait to make the motion until after the vote to file. Okay thank you. I vote is to file. I vote is to file roll call please. Boran. Aye. Bauch. Aye. Bowers. Aye. Deckard. Aye. Hammond. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Cah. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Rindfleisch. Aye. 15 ayes. Motion carries document is filed. You can clap now. Okay. Thank you everybody for being here. We are going to take about a about a 10 minute recess and allow the council chambers to clear out here. He spoke well. Do you think everybody here has had a long time since? 273. Did a good job. Nobody. Thanks for coming. A little more information. Thank you for coming. Good. Thank you for coming. Nice job. I am now. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy. Okay, if we're all present if we can call this meeting back to order here Alderman Boran you want to make a motion? Thank you, Mayor Ryan. I'm going to make a motion that a committee be formed by the next council meeting which I believe is on October 18th and that the committee will consist of the chief of police or his designee, the assistant city attorney, the representative from the humane society or her designee, a local veterinarian, three alder persons and three city of a Sheboygan dog owners and that the report come back to the council at the second council meeting in November which is on November 15th. That's my motion. Okay, does everybody understand the motion? Do we have a second? A motion and a second under discussion Alder Person Montemire. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm hoping that the dog, the three dog owners that are chosen, we're going to check to be sure they have a license for their dog. That's a good idea. Okay, we've got two already and truthfully Alder Person Montemire, I know we've looked into having vets licensed dogs at one point but it's $5 for a license I believe and the money goes to the county and we had some. So I think that issue should be looked at at the same time as far as having city veterinarians licensed dogs while they're in the vets office. If you're a city resident they would automatically license your dog and it might expedite the matter somewhat. Alderman Bulk. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would make a friendly amendment to change that wording to make it three licensed dog owners. If Alderman Bourne would be amenable to that. And then my second point is I know Alder Person Montemire feels strongly about this topic so I would suggest I would make a friendly amendment that she be one of the designated Alder Persons for that committee, one of the three. Yeah, we can put that in the appointments. Okay. Mr. Mayor I'd ask for your point Alderman, Alder Person Montemire to that point. I can give you a verbal on that. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I'm gonna war at it Mayor. Joe Hyden has got nothing going on with his back. Excellent. Okay, Alderman Bourne did you have something more? Yeah, I had a question for Attorney McLean. Attorney McLean generally on these special committees are the staff from the city, are they ex-officio members? The only voting members would be the police chief or his designee, would it be appropriate they'd be ex-officio or the assistant city attorney or can they be voting members? Or is that for the committee to decide when they meet? Normally staff is ex-officio, correct? That's why I have a problem with creating committee right here. Those are sorts of things you should consider and in creation of the committee. A special committee, you can designate anybody who want to be a voting member or a non-voting member, you know, that's totally up to the council. Alderman Bourne. I'll add to my motion that the all be voting members accept the assistant city attorney. I got that, Sue? Sure. Okay, thank you Alderman Bourne, Alderman Versi. Thank you, Your Honor. I was just going to mention the other two to be appointed to the committee would be me, myself, because part of my ordinance here, I'd be part of that. And also Alderman Samson would be the third Alder person for that committee. Okay, we're not actually appointing Alder persons but I will take that into the account and making the appointments to the committee. Can I ask Alderman Bourne, can I just go through it again? It's the chief of police or designee, assistant city attorney, someone from the Sheboygan County Humane Society, one local vet, three Alderman and three licensed dog owners, is that correct? Correct. Thank you. Are there any other designees in that list besides the chief? Could the Sheboygan County Humane Society? The woman that made the presentation tonight did an excellent job. If she's available or her designee, I forgot what it is. From the Humane Society, that's the president. Great. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Do we put this to a... Okay, all in favor of establishing this committee, say aye. Aye. Opposed? We will get to work on it. Okay, thank you everybody. To the consent agenda, Vice President Rindfleisch, if I can make one note here, 13-3 will lie over so the consent agenda will be 13-1 and 13-2 and 13-4 through 13-14. 13-3 lies over. Vice President Rindfleisch, please. Thank you, Your Honor. With the exception of the one... With the exception of the one document I just mentioned, I move that all ROs be accepted and filed, all our Cs be accepted and adopted, and all resolutions and ordinances be passed on the consent agenda. Second. We have a motion and a second on the consent agenda under discussion. If there is none, roll call please. Boke. That's two votes, isn't it? Bowers. Aye. Decker. Aye. Hammond. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Kaep. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Rindfleisch. Aye. Ressler. Aye. Samson. Aye. Vanderweel. Aye. Bursey. Aye. Born. Aye. Wangeman. Aye. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Communications and petitions, 13-15 and 13-16 to be referred. Reports of officers to 13-17 and 13-18. Okay, 13-17 by the city clerk submitting communication from the Wisconsin Department of Administration stating that they have reviewed the proposed annexation for DHP LLC and founded to be in the public interest. Vice President Rindfleisch. Thank you, Your Honor. I ask that the report of officer be accepted and placed on file. Second. We have a motion and a second under discussion. If there is none, roll call please. Bowers. Aye. Decker. Hammond. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Kaep. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Rindfleisch. Aye. Ressler. Aye. Samson. Aye. Vanderweel. Aye. Bursey. Aye. Wangeman. Aye. Warren. Aye. Valk. Aye. 15 ayes. Motion carries. 13-18 report of officer by the redevelopment authority submitting findings related to the blight determination regarding the former Walmart parcel located at 609 South Taylor Drive and passing the attached resolution. Vice President Rindfleisch. Thank you, Your Honor. I ask that the report of officer be accepted and placed on file. Any attached resolution be put upon its passage. Second. We have a motion and a second. I guess the question is what the attached resolution is. Oh, sorry, yes. It's on the back. It's on the inside of 13-18. The resolution. There's no number because it's a new one. That is no longer necessary. My recommendation is just to accept and file the communication and file the resolution that was supposed to have been pulled. As you may have heard, Walmart agreed to release the restrictive covenants on the property, so there won't be any need to pursue any further acquisition of the property to get those restrictions released. I saw amendment motion. Second. We have a motion and a second to amend as recommended by Attorney McLean Alderman Bulk. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a question. If we designated, if we go ahead and pass this anyway, does that help Chad with getting perhaps federal dollars? Is there any upside to this blighted area as we develop it further? Can we get help if it's designated blighted? Chad, Chad's not an official department head. We have a motion. Open the floor. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess I would just ask a question of Attorney McLean. Is that required for, I thought it was required for the, if we were to move forward with the TIF process? No. The, what's important on the TIF is that the property is designated to be blighted property. That's happened by the development authority. What the resolution was proposed to do was merely advising the council that the redevelopment authority had designated the property as blighted and requested advance approval for acquisition of the property, which would have required a two thirds vote of the council, which would have been a precursor to the redevelopment authority proceeding to condemn the property. In order to move against Walmart. Right. And that's no longer necessary. So there are no additional benefits. The property's been designated as blighted and that's all you need. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a question. If there was any motion to move forward on condemnation of the property, could that be brought up in the future? Yes, if that needed to happen. Yeah. Thanks, Jeff. Okay. So we have a motion and a second under discussion. Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess I just want a point of clarification. When I'm reading this, the second to last paragraph, the RDA finds that the property be blighted, the property pursuant, doesn't say anything about condemnation or that process. I know the RDA being on that recommended to be blighted. Does the council not have to approve that recommendation? No, the redevelopment authority makes the determination that the property is blighted. This is merely advising the council that the redevelopment authority did find the property to be blighted. Okay. So everybody understand that? Maybe I can clarify this a little bit. The the introductory portion of the resolution was old language, and that really should not have been included in on this resolution. The be it further resolved is is really okay that the RDA forward this resolution of the council for further action in the best public interest of the city. But that that was a resolution that the redevelopment authority adopted. This really is is not a resolution of the city council. The intent was to submit to the resolution that the redevelopment authority adopted. So what you have is the attachment by Alderman Hammond dated October 4th. That resolution was passed by the redevelopment authority. And this is just submitting that resolution. You look at the RO on the first page submitting a resolution of finding related to the blight determination located, you know, the former Walmart site. It's not intended to be a resolution to be acted upon by the council, but merely the redevelopment authority submitting the resolution that it acted on finding the property to be related to the city council. So you can just accept and file the communication. Vice President Wrenflesch. Thank you. I think of the explanation. I was confused when I first saw that because it was attached to the back. But if you look at our agendas, it's not actually listed under 1318 as not documented to be acted upon. For the council's sake, you just want to flip back to say 1313 in your agenda. There's an example of what it should look like if there's an attached resolution with that indentation with the sub one. That's not the case here. So I misspoke when I made the motion to include that it was not meant to be. So disregard the motion. I mean, to accept it and just file it. Okay, so we have a motion to accept and file. And a second. Under discussion. If there is none, roll call please. How about all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Okay, 1319 through 1330 to be referred. Resolutions introduced three 1331 by Alderman Versey authorizing the Pertrancy agent and director of Public Works to develop plans and specifications relative to the remodeling of the first floor of City Hall and issue a request for bids for the provision of materials and labor necessary to complete the remodeling in an expedient matter. Alderman Versey. Thank you, Your Honor. I'd like to put the resolution upon its passage. Second. And further discussion. The reason behind this is to get this done in a timely manner and also try and say the city something by having the bids go out. Very good. Thank you. Alderman Versey. Any further discussion? Alderman Boren. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. I was wondering if Director Bittner could just explain if he's got I was on building use last year, but I'm not under this year. What his proposed cost if we do it in-house rather than going out of house, does Director Bittner have any idea on that? Could he speak to that please? Bill. And also the timeframe for getting it done. The budget the council made available for the 2010 year to do this work on the first floor east side was $145,000. We were in the process or are in the process of finalizing all cost estimates. Most of that when we do it, we proceeded on a couple other remodellings kind of acting as our own general using a number of subcontractors and then doing an amount of work ourselves. We were just in the sort of the middle of getting those estimates. This will give us the opportunity to attempt to take it as one of the most important things that we've done in central bid. This came out of discussions of the building use committee, which we're trying to expedite the project a little bit, and they'll be comparable and needless to say, we'll we have to stay within the in the in that $145,000 available. But this will give us a more comprehensive contracting than we've used in the past. But I do not have a item by item estimate yet we were working that and are still doing it. Director Bittner, then from what you're saying, some of the some of the work might still be done by your people, but you're going to get bids on subcontracting where necessary. Well, we intended to take and contract out the general work, but there's there's contracting will still do such as carpeting such as furniture, those would be independent. But we'll look at getting one more comprehensive bid than we would otherwise use. When we get those numbers, I think it'll set our direction because it'll tell us what we can accomplish for what money and how quickly. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Alderman Borden. Can you hang on a second, Bill? Alderman Hanna, do you have anything? If I understand you, Bill, when all the numbers come in, you'll figure out what the general what the external contracts are doing, what your internal folks will do. I think the building use committee was hoping to contract and more expeditiously complete the project. One of the things we've been doing, I think made no secret about it is that we've been doing it as time is available trying to keep budget dollars real low. Well, that's kind of a slow process. And I think the building use committee we're hoping to have enough dollars designated through the council that they could get it expiated. Thank you, Bill. Thank you, Alderman Hanna. Thank you, Director Bittner. Any further discussion? There is no roll call, please. Decker? Aye. Hammond? Aye. Hanna? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Hath? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Rindfleisch? Aye. Ressler? Aye. Sampson? Aye. Vanderwiel? Aye. Bowers? Aye. 15 ayes. Motion carries, 1332 by Alderpersons, Hanna, Ressler, and Vanderwiel, establishing the monthly premium equivalent rates for the medical benefit plan effective for January 2011 coverage. Alderman Hanna? Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. I'd ask that the resolution be put upon its passage. Second. We have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion. Our rates are going up with market rates, and there's no surprise here. We're trying to do as much as we can to keep costs down. But we need to move forward with these so that you can move forward with the new insurance carrier. Thank you, Alderman Hanna. Any further discussion? If there is none, roll call, please. Oh, we have somebody beeping in. Alderman Bowers? Am I correct in assuming that the rates for the group are approximately 12 percent? Did I read that right? That's roughly what I saw. It's about 12 percent. Well, while it's exorbitant, there's not much we can do about it. I read some where the national number was, what, 10 and a half? Yeah. Yeah, so we're right on there. Is there any way we can ask some of the unions to help on this? That is all part of our contract negotiations is trying to tweak our medical plan along with using the county clinic, going with a copay for office, et cetera, that will be part of contract negotiations upcoming before the final budget is settled. Okay. Alderman Bowers? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I'd encourage our colleague, all of us, to pray for more hope and change in November. That may help as well. Thank you again, Alderman Bowers. Happy to help. Could I hear him say that one more time? Any further discussion? If there is none, roll call, please. Hammond? Aye. Hanna? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Teth? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Rindfleisch? Aye. Gressler? Aye. Sampson? Aye. Vanderweel? Born? Aye. Vauke? Aye. Bowers? Aye. Decker? Aye. 15-9. Motion carries. 1333 by all of our persons. Hanna, Ressler, Vanderweel and Versi lifting the hiring freeze in order to hire a director of development and planning in the city development department. Alderman Hanna. Thank you again, Mr. Mayor. I'd ask that the resolution be put upon its passage. Second. We have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion. While we're overdue that we get this going. That's right. This is a critical part of the puzzle. If there is no further discussion, roll call please. Hanna? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Kev? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Rindfleisch? Aye. Gressler? Aye. Sampson? Aye. Vanderweel? Aye. Versi? Aye. Becker? Aye. Hammond? Aye. 15-9. Motion carries 1334 through 1341 to be referred. Reports of committees 7, 1342 by law and licensing recommend denying taxi cab driver's license number 8166 based upon his failure to include all relevant convictions on his application and his failure to cooperate with the committee. Vice President Rindfleisch? Thank you, Your Honor. I ask that the report of committee be accepted and adopted. Second. We have a motion and a second to accept and adopt. Please continue. Thank you. Is Shane Dean here? Here, Your Honor. Please continue. All right. Shane revealed a few items on his application, including underage tobacco and alcohol and damaged property in 2006, eight and nine, but failed to list disorderly conduct in 2009. They failed to yield right away in 2009, in a tent of driving in 2009, in a seat belt violation in 2010. Our recommendation is to deny based on the non-cooperation. He had two chances to appear and did not. But I also wanted to point out several traffic offenses for a taxi cab driver we felt was not appropriate at the time, too. Very good. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? If there is an unroll call please. If not. Wy Sheriffs? Tyne Easters. Okay, thank you, please continue. tinham Ey cat aye Mons Vayor? Aye Wren Fley should divisions and Teilwiel? Aye Borsi? Aye O覆 O'rahmi? Aye Ifen Nation? Opp incapable anything before has already been taken. Ordinance introduced 10, 1345 to be referred. Matters laid over, 1238. General Ordinance number 22-10-11 by Alderman Wongaman and Decker annexing territory into the city of Sheboygan. Alderman Wongaman. I make a motion to be documented before upon its passage. Second. We have a motion and a second to put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion. If there is none, roll call please. Cat. Aye. Rin Flesch. Aye. Wrestler. Aye. Samson. Aye. Vanderweal. Aye. Versey. Aye. Wongaman. Aye. Born. Aye. Fouke. Aye. Bowers. Aye. Decker. Aye. Hammond. Aye. Panna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. 1239, general ordinance number 23-10-11 by Alderperson's Kittleson. Vanderweal and Versey amending the municipal code so as to change the job description for the position of director of planning and development in the city development department. Alderperson Vanderweal. Surprise, surprise. Alderperson Kittleson's not here. We need to put the ordinance upon its passage. I make a motion to put the ordinance upon its passage. We have a motion and a second to put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion. This is simply amending the job description. There is none. Roll call please. Montemayor. Aye. Grinfield. Aye. Bressler. Aye. Samson. Aye. Vanderweal. Aye. Versey. Aye. Wongaman. Aye. Born. Aye. Fouke. Aye. Bowers. Aye. Decker. Aye. Hammond. Aye. Panna. Aye. Heidemann. Motion carries 12-40. General ordinance number 24-10-11 by Alderperson Kittleson. Vanderweal. And Versey amending the municipal code so as to change the job description for the position of city assessor in the assessor's department. Alderperson Vanderweal. Make a motion to put the ordinance upon its passage. Second. We have a motion and a second to put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion. We have Alderman Hammond. Probably a dumb question, but just out of curiosity, what changed in the job description? Just out of curiosity. Good question. Is Tom Rice here this evening? No, it's not. No, I think most of our job descriptions we are updating as we replace positions we're updating job descriptions. So I'm sure it's probably just an updating of the description. I don't think that was anything major. Fair enough. Thank you. Trying to bring everything into the 21st century or somewhere around there. Steve. Along that vein, I noticed one typo in item 13, essential duties. This is a 10 meeting and council's successions. I think it should be council's. It wasn't me. Tom Rice is in here. We'll blame him for that one. Sessions. Does that need to be amended this point? I'll second. So we have a motion to amend the typo in the document. Fall in favor, say aye and amending. Aye. Opposed? Document is amended. Any further discussion? There is no roll call, please. Rin Flesch. Aye. Wrestler. Samson. Aye. Vanderwiel. Aye. Versi. Aye. Longerman. Aye. Born. Aye. Bowers. Aye. Dekker. Aye. Hammond. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Piaf. Aye. Mazmior. Aye. 15, aye. Motion carries. Other matters authorized by law. 1346 will be referred to public protection and safety. 1347 will be referred to public protection and safety. 1348, an RO by the city clerk granting various licenses. Vice President Rin Flesch. Thank you, Your Honor. The question first for the city clerk is to be passed this evening or to be referred. Pass this evening, okay. I move that the report of officer be accepted and placed on file. Second. Have a motion and a second to accept and place on file. Any discussion? If there is none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. 1349, a resolution by Alderman Hammond, authorizing the issuance and sale of not to exceed $2,545,000 general obligation to refund the BODS series 2010C. Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. Second. Excuse me, we have a motion and a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion. If there is none, roll call please. Wrestler. Aye. Samson. Aye. Vanderweel. Aye. Versi. Aye. Wangaman. Aye. Born. Aye. Bow. Dekker. Aye. Hammond. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Keath. Aye. Montmior. Aye. Rindfleisch. Aye. 15 ayes. Motion carries. 1350 will be referred to law and licensing. 1350, we have a motion by Alderman Heidemann to file and a second on the filing of the document under discussion. We've already taken care of this. Yes. And we've got enough to do with public protection to see if you are ready. We're gonna bring the deer issue back here shortly. What about cell phones? Cell phones is a good one. Okay, all in favor of filing, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Documents filed. Okay, notice of intent to discharge the Building Use Committee regarding the following documents requested by Alderperson Rindfleisch. 12-20, RC number 20, 218-10-11 by Public Works recommending authorizing entering into contract for installation of an ADA compliant entrance ramp and entrance ways for City Hall Vice President Rindfleisch. Thank you, Your Honor. We'll make a motion to discharge the document from Building Use Committee. Second. Motion to second under discussion. Under discussion, Your Honor. This document was referred to that Building Use Committee, but it was referred to late to get on the agenda. We do need to take action upon this so that we can get the bids out there and how work can begin shortly at this meeting. That's why we're making the motion to discharge it. Okay, we have a motion and a second to discharge the committee under discussion. We have Alderman Bauch. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Two questions. One is, are we obligated to put an entrance ramp in the front given there's an elevator in the back? The point of order. We're just gonna vote on the motion to discharge and then we'll go into the document. Is that okay? Yes, ma'am. Okay, first on the motion to discharge under discussion on the motion to discharge only, does anybody want to participate in that discussion? If nobody does, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay, the committee is discharged. Now on the document itself, we're going to discuss Vice President Rindfleisch. Sure. I was going to allow the Chair of Public Works to make that motion, but since it was originally designated to be there and I asked to be referred later, it's back to my committee, which we now have discharged, so I will make a motion to accept and adapt to the report of committee. Second. We have a motion and a second to accept and adopt if I can answer a couple of questions. Put the resolution upon its passage. Put the resolution upon its passage. Regarding the ramp itself, right now we do have the elevator in the back. It's inadequate to say the least for handicapped people to have to come in through the back door. There's constantly problems with the lift that we have in the back. I personally have witnessed people trying to use that and having a hard time getting in and out. Several months back, there was a man with his young daughter in a wheelchair that was having some real trouble. There's no reason why we have to have people coming in the back door that are handicapped. So this ramp is going to actually begin on the bill as the expert on it, but it's going to begin on the east end of the building, correct? It's going to come up the front. Yeah, but it's going to come in the alleyway, correct? So the entrance to the garage over here is where it will begin. It'll be a very gradual slope coming up the front. It'll be very discreet. So it won't ruin the appearance of the building itself. One more question, sir. And for our city clerk, what does B-A-W-T-T mean? I know what accept and adopt and refer to building. That's just my notes. Before action was taken, they're on the right. Thank you. Just want to make sure all the Masonic symbolism in there is understood. That's just gets it cold. Part of the conspiracy. Okay, is there any further discussion on this issue? Alderman Bourne. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. When this went through the Public Works Committee, I believe the bids came in. Director Bittner, I believe it was around $41,000? 43, and that was considerably lower than we originally thought it was going to cost. And I believe the low bidder was Quasius of Sheboygan. So just so the council has that financial information. Thank you, Alderman Bourne. Under further discussion, Alderman Bowers. Thank you. I was going to ask the same question, but Alderman Bourne is, is the ramp that we have now, is that going to be removed or just left there? Eventually I think the plan is to take the lift out of the back, yes. And hopefully replace the other stairs coming down so the building is somewhat symmetrical. Right now there's only, you know. So this will be in the front of the building, the new ramp? Well, it will be coming off the side, off the east end of the building to the front of the building. Okay. Any further discussion? If there is none, roll call please. Samson. Aye. Vanderweel. Aye. Versi. Aye. Longerman. Aye. Bourne. Aye. Bowke. Aye. Bowers. Aye. Decker. Aye. Hammond. Abstain. Hanna. Abstain. Heidemann. Aye. Chaff. Aye. Montemire. Aye. Greenfleisch. Aye. Wrestler. Aye. 13 ayes, two abstentions. Motion carries. Have any other other members? Attorney McLean. 1352 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30, 2011 and June 30, 2012. That will go to law and licensing. 1353 is a resolution by Alderperson Hammond, authorizing the finance director of treasure to establish and maintain one or more accounts with multi-bank securities, ink, and Persian LLC. We don't have any. Other matters. I've got it. Excuse me? No. I don't have it. No, I have it. No, I have it. Thank you. If you haven't mixed into our dog papers. If I don't find them, I will contact you soon. Thank you. Okay, are we finished with 1353? That will be referred to finance. 1354 is an ordinance amending a portion of subsection two of section 110-37 on the municipal code relating to special assessments for street improvements so as to provide for calculating the credits under the respective concrete paving warranty periods using the current proposed repaving or resurfacing assessment costs rather than the initial paving assessment. Will also be referred to finance. 1355 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from Sandy Halvorson finance department cashier expressing her concerns about the vicious dog municipal ordinance. Will be referred to PPNS. Motion to adjourn? Second. We have a motion to second. All in favor say aye. Aye. We are adjourned. Thank you everybody.