 Let's start with this group then, and you have time to think about your representation in the meantime. But what do you want to do? So, it would be nice to list them in a nice way. Let's start with the positive one, the negative, and then we'll talk about the initiative on actions. Oh, are they not? This is what wrongs. This is not, this is not, this is not. You may talk to this group then. Okay. Good students. So, the positive ones. What makes it possible? So, what makes it possible? Expertise. Experience. Experience. Experience. Experience. Don't forget, Twitter. Also, what we thought is very important, diversity, because I think I have a community or group of people which come with different fields a little bit, representing different fields. Diversity might be good. And for the future version, very important, the participation of everybody. So, I think you will be able to engage everybody very well into this workshop. It's kind of a scheme here. So, the negative ones, which makes it possible to take them down. Yeah. Oh, yes. So, what is always a challenge is that we have too many different opinions and we have to find some common way of approaching or at least coming out of solutions. Another thing which you always try to address is time. It's very limited. And costs. That's the worst thing. Costs, you just put it here. That was right. We also thought there might be a lot of barriers to overcome, which we didn't define more closely, the barriers to overcome. But they are definitely... Actually, one could be competition among different groups also. Many people might not be so open for sharing data. And also the comfort zone. So, you know, that could be also something which makes it complicated. Other commitments. I mean, now we are meeting, but probably in future. I mean, we know everybody is very busy and engaged in other things. As well as sweets, not very talkative. Yeah. Sweets. I'm not very talkative. Fortunately, there's no one here. We have that here. It's a challenging workshop, it's not cool. Okay, I might match the overcome barriers. Since it's a very generic and budgetary. Okay, nice. So, initiatives. So, we have fun. Fun. It's already in place. Okay, yeah, sure. It's Yasmin. What did you expect? A strong community. At least we are also growing. Yeah, I gave you all stuff that are quite close to us. A strong community. I tried to match. Ah, and centrally heating. That's important. So, that is our own. And finally, the actions. So, we have a very important discussion. To have as many discussions as possible. To come up with solutions. To come up with a common goal. And one of the common goals was actually writing down the right paper. Including guidelines. And what is also very important is to keep afterwards the community engaged. And we should see that we can also then have for our workshops. And of course, it goes a little bit, attendance. Discussion. Discussion. Okay. So, looking forward to the... So, we're going to have a nice overview. You might realize at this point, in particular the three other groups, that you might have a lot of these topics already. Which is nice actually. That you can group them. And by that, we'll see quite quickly what are the important ideas that come back in all the group. And that's something that's most likely some ideas that are important and that we need to focus on. Okay. So, I'm going to walk. I can sit over here. I don't know if I'm sorry. I think you might not come like that. It's very cold. It's very hot. So, positive. If we can start with what? You can start with negative. I'm going to start with negative. So, things that make it difficult are basically... So, let's say you have lots of attendees who come. You have different agendas. Is that something to pull it down? Which was different agendas. Different opinions to it. Yeah. Right. Yeah, we have further commitments. I don't commit much. No. What? I thought there was more competition. It depends how you interpret it. Yeah. Just why I find that you have different agendas or different things to do and it's nice to find... Different agendas. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Different... I have different languages as well. I thought you actually watched the final bit. I didn't know it was going to be... I don't think it's that long. One of the basic limits is time and that one doesn't actually fit under other commitments. But also, there's limits of time as well to try to get the work done. Actually... Listen. The other complexity is there's a desire for lots of drinks. It goes a bit with the cost, maybe? It goes a bit with the cost, maybe? It goes a bit with the cost, maybe? Things which make a good workshop are ones which have clear objectives. I think clear objectives may be clear. I think clear. And as well as having clear objectives we have a clear methodology to retain the objectives. Hence the objective theme of all of this moment. Is that a relationship? I don't understand the difference. Yeah, so initiatives should be things that already... For tonight it's a bit particular in particular for this topic. But yes, indeed. But do we already have a clear methodology? That's subjective, I guess. For the moment. We'll see at the end of the workshop if the methodology was... I'll answer my opinion. That's what we're discussing. But also for a workshop, everyone has their own agenda, or has their own goal, they wish to gather up the workshop, their own point of view, they wish to push. But actually that's really important for a good workshop. It's having a diverse set of participants. It's kind of really useful. In terms of initiatives... One thing you need is post-it notes. Post-it notes. On the post-it notes. You need... As well as post-it notes, coffee. You need people who are possibly here already. So we are here already. And you need some Twitter conversation. So we actually came up with some actions from this. Our first action is that when you hold a workshop you must have an action to capture actions. It's important if you don't capture the actions in your workshop you're in trouble. In actions when you set the workshop up you need to cast a wide net, which is representative. It could be kept not to be too wide. Other all to have a biased or an unbalanced collective of people that needs to be a representative set. An action is during the workshop everyone will have their own point of view, their own agenda, their own thing they want to go down to. And actually the purpose of the workshop is really where you try and pull that all together so they create a shared agenda which everyone can sign up to an agree with. And the metaphor, the sort of comparison I used for that is if you imagine the Brexit process it's kind of all trying to create a shared agenda that we can all stand up with. It's obviously not going very well. And then we have an action during a workshop is to make sure you take notes. And then finally, the most important one is during the workshop you have to make sure that everybody's voice is heard because again, everyone has their own agenda they have their own point of view it's only by collecting all of that together so that everybody can actually share and then sign up to that if it works. The last one was basically about falsely which fails I didn't think you should call that. Okay. So we start with some comments. Nice. So I think I'll also then how not to do it very well because I think we fear of the particular topic a little bit. And so we don't have so many positive things. That's sad. That's cozy. So one of the good things is that Twitter made this possible and also what I like to say is that we don't also have technology to actually make this happen but the question is how are we? And then we have a bunch of problems that came up in the conversation and let me try to group them. So we have so what I think what we should try to achieve, there is like managing scope creep that we need to try to define priorities I guess. There will probably be a lot of problems and all the different things that will come up will probably have to be what is actually the most important and should go down. Things rather than this. And then there is also the same purpose is the enemy of this group and I don't know who it is. Then we have so again some problems I generally like long term thinking I guess in terms of building infrastructures so grants are long going for two to three years of funding and then I think I would really like to say that I think this should be a Ph.D. or post-op project so I think there is just nothing to suggest. And again the one thing to do negative time going and I think when we come to the actions we need to then also reach consensus about what are the most important priorities but how do we want to do this. And then Daniel wrote actually a list of very useful things that we need to worry about dissemination of outcomes, condensing outcomes and recommendations and how to create actually concise documents rather than some large document but something that is actually useful documentation recording and also we need to make sure that follow-up occurs after meeting it's not about this meeting and then we go home to Christmas and then nothing ever happens but in two years time someone thinks oh we should share data, let's do a workshop so these are the these are the actions so initiatives we need to start building cross-came collaboration because this shouldn't be one group project or like one man project we need to identify common versus different goals and needs and and then we also need to kind of make clear what do we want or again illumination of desired outcomes and how to foster discussion and obviously we have again this was mentioned before we will have different opinions and but to actually reach an agreement we also need to say how do we think and how do we feel so we need to express our role Is that okay? Sure Yeah Okay Unfortunately we were not organized but we drove the boat So let's start with the initiatives so we interpret the initiatives are things that are existing already so the organization of this workshop there is coffee and cookies so that should make things successful negative things something that didn't show up we don't have any data provider in this workshop we can think of a fantastic way to share data but if nobody is going to give you terabytes to store the data and there is still a problem I'll give you terabytes I'll need you Yeah So Do you need to provide some cookies data? Currently in terms of representation there is some bias in terms of software so we don't have representative of all the software of the main software when it comes to simulations Let's see negative for this might be long nights including the dark days of the negative why it can be negative or positive some are here commercial interests I don't know if anyone has ties with that it could be positive also actually I did twice and we also have two that are positive and negative so the positive thing is that we actually write the white paper a danger is that we don't write the positive things while this may be more initiative so we are funding to pay at least this workshop the location so we are stuck in the middle of nowhere we are probably going to make it successful you cannot escape several local people actions in random order spread the word to different communities which is our dissemination an action to make this workshop successful shut down the internet or slow it down to 20 out of meter that's about the workshop we don't think about the outcome of this workshop find out who else will be interested in resource discourse with dissemination I guess communication via twitter that's already happening that's also dissemination actions it's already happening it's possible actions involve the over core software developer is it there remove the voices that's true today it's more for whatever okay and other actions because we are worried that in Sweden there should be more than just coffee and cookies so alcohol is written here to make this workshop successful it was actually one of the negative ideas there were a whole bunch of bad code yeah exactly so unfortunately unfortunately I'm going to have to go over all of them the idea that I just want to highlight is very important for the chair I guess most of the things that have been written there should be kind of answered either there or there so the idea would be during the briefing that we try to go over all the positive and negative things and see if they are already on sale or not in an initiative or action like that we have the first groping of the ideas and then we see what's left could be that I don't know a negative thing like the cost has not been on sale here but then we can list what doesn't have any solution existing or what we didn't think of how we could solve it so initially we see that what already exists on actions what doesn't exist needs to be done by us by doing something and us first ok it's time to it's really time to have dinner