 Jennifer, you're down in the middle of here, and Eddie, you're in the middle of here. So, Teresa, Laura, Angela, and me. I'm in there. I'm in there. Laura, I don't think you're in here. I'm in there. Oh, we're going to go on yours. Laura, ultimate excuse? Yes. Now, that shows the students, Stephanie is absent. And now, we'll be coming late. And Laura Rutledge. Laura Rutledge is no longer on. Take her name. All right. And Ira's going to be joining us online, but that's not as of yet. But if she is not, she's excused. Okay, so, public, have I heard? No. Corrections to the July 20 minutes? Anybody? Anybody read up? I read them. I read them. I only wanted one essay. So, I need a motion to approve. As amended. So, I need to approve the next. And second. And all in favor. Additions, corrections to the agenda. And council comments. It's not here yet today. Project, I think, butterfly pavilion and planter's park. You have successfully installed and dedicated your butterfly pavilion planter's park. And it's gorgeous. It is really gorgeous. No, I never want to think so, but that's okay. That's what the extors are. I like the gazing bomb. I absolutely love it. Your press was very good. You should have seen it in the leader. The time to call. The camera. Record repairals. So, really good exposure, I'd say. When we counted the participants, this was very early on in the dedication. And I counted 89 more minutes. So, I'm going to have to say 90. Some people didn't leave when Mother Nature decided to show up and join the party. I think it was like right where the mayor started talking. It started before and then right when it was done. It said stop. But about 20 minutes before we had that, it got cloudy and the beautiful breeze came through. And it was just wonderful. This was the dedication. So, about the city of Wama, this artwork to the president and future residents of Wama, and our sister city, we've got a space of gathering, we've got a space of joy and enlightenment, to celebrate many years of successful student exchange, cultural understanding, and as envisioned by the president, the power of people to people, citizens of Wama. This is what the sister city's original conception was all about. That's an odd angle of that photograph, because it makes the pavilion look tiny, next to the tall women over there, but it's actually pretty tall. It's actually nice. Yeah, that's a good point. Anyway, so on the right is Corky Michelle, she's the manager of sister cities, and the blue dress is Joey Bliss, the artist in the middle is the diplomat who came from Seedatana, who I do not know her name. No, the white and red. White and red. The white and red is who will end the transit. Yes, because she came from Seedatana on behalf because their mayor was unable to attend. Yeah, the other woman who all in red was getting that marriage, who was not in the institution. Yes, that's correct. Oh, your apartment? I see it correctly. Yes. That is Anna, but also from Seedatana, who's one, but she's one. That is correct. I'm sorry. Obviously, Mayor Peck, her own Susan Horowitz, who acted on the behalf of our public services, both, and then on the left is Janice Raven, who is the chair. It was a good turn on. Lots of kids, lots of people from Mexico, lots of community members. It was nice. It was very nice. Yeah. So, this is President's student exchange and that, you're correct. Yeah, in the red there. That's right. Okay. City Council presence. We had Councilman McCoy, of course, came. We had Mayor Peck. As soon as we could all go bearing with his liaison for the Museum Advisory Board, and she'd keep a grabber on for sure. So four of our City Council books shut up, which I think speaks to the power of the program. And then that is the story of the past. The power was done. Yeah. Yeah, this picture with the kids is better for the size of the... And you know, the thing is that we saw the pictures and we saw her idea concept and we looked at her concept drawings for the colors and everything. But when you actually see it in person, there's only little tiny details that you just didn't get from all the drawings. Like, the back of all the seats are like, twisted aluminum or steel and painted. It's really, really well-played. So some of there was, of course, learning throughout this process, which we're taking along with us. The signs that were at the site were very successful for disseminating the message that a public art process was coming, our work was coming, clearly worked far better than even the door hangers on individual residences and as well as the postcards. So good things to know, especially as we go into other projects and learning firms are learning firms. Eric and I did meet with a number of the residents in the neighborhoods a year of their dealings, which are big feelings about the piece. And yeah, we're excited to move forward all of the feedback during the installation, all of the feedback that we received during the dedication was all of it. And the stamps we bought to put in the cycle were great. They looked really good. There's no question, these are butterflies. And Mario Echeverria, who did not receive the commission, has gone by multiple times and it is very complimentary and says it fits really well and it is what the scope of work said we should be gathering. This was in shade and that was a pretty good idea too. Yeah. Well, you know, he's a resident, right? He's a resident. Yeah. So I need emotion. Hello, Danielle. Check in here. I need emotion to accept the project as installed. Anybody? I need emotion at the time. Theresa, anybody second? Okay. All in favor? So there's no taking that out, guys. That's done. And we'll make sure that the artist is paid. Yes. We go through all this process. We have all these meetings. We have all this input. We really could not have done better. And I feel the same way about the scope of the project. We had so many parts. It wasn't even a word, but I don't think we could have done better. I love it. I love business too. I know we went through a bunch of stuff. Damn. The bottom line is that the results count. The results don't work. Congratulations. It was a long time coming. We could just take a walk in my book, but the fact that projects like this can persevere and that we were able to make it for the student exchange and click all over the boxes of sister city too was a testament. Yeah, there's a lot more. It's like a cordoned shelf after you're forward. It's all good. It's all good. It's an excellent time. All right. Let's do some more stuff. Okay, let's get to it. Shocker update. So, we have confirmed for the artists that we're winners, that they will move forward. We're waiting on contracts right now. We'll leave all. So I'm going to send those out as soon as we get them back and then training is going to happen at the end of the month. And then I also did a little bit of work moving into the voting demographics. If you open up your blue folder behind the agenda is just a little breakdown of some of the numbers from our voters that we could collect. Just because we're kind of considering that no one has to make a decision right now, but it's just information to put out there. But like, we had a very robust in person voting this year. And last year. And last year. But the demographics of in person and online versus in person local to Boulder County, local to Colorado and then out of state. And like the breakdown of the people that are actually voting on the boxes. So just something to think about for next year what we do is running once again and how we're going to handle them. By my tally total votes approximately just approximately between in person and online came to about 1,230 people. And then I deduced. And then I went back where by and that was after the vote. And I think some of the kid votes didn't have it because I didn't really have that information to link. But this was what we were telling this was approximately what we got. For 1,230. So not that after a couple of weeks, right? So let's not go close. But it does beg the question when you start looking at this information which is these online out of state votes which is going down. That's enough votes in one person's favor to sway a decision. And if those people aren't here under one and they're not seeing them in person it does beg the question of like social media influence and validity you know How thick it are you online out of state? I can't tell you how many people I had to say no you could vote just family visiting in person BPN Can you tell like maybe you have a BPN or something that says you're out of state we just gathered bytes of code and we did get, I mean we got high key addresses I mean there's in this day and age you can take it to the nth degree right But so I just think what Laura and I have been speaking about is that impeachment piece invested interest really in the program not so much into an individual and then of course there's the piece of online voting that was born out of COVID is it relevant is the impeachment and the outreach through online voting of shot gardens is it necessary is it not have we talked to the community far enough that people don't think they're way down to do in person but it's the online out of state for people like for me we don't have to make any decisions today it's live with this data for a little bit but certainly the task force for next year this is going to be on top I want to throw this out but I haven't think about this for the last few years and it seems to me that it's beneficial to law and law to encourage everybody to come down down the aisle and vote in person and next year when Instagram and everything is up and running we'll be able to constantly pop the O come in and do the shot garden we might be motivated and every other time well in our statistics show that it's going back our young person is increasing and our local online votes are going down so okay this is just something we can think about again in the spring in the winter when we start over again just in a curiosity does it cost us more to run online voting or does that affect us in any certain aspect versus just doing in person voting to have time we didn't have any hope of voting because it's constantly that makes it and it also was deleted this year because they didn't get there we say we say we've been a group I was just curious I think there was something more that was missing to this aspect in that slide so you have to count and go through all that backside for sure it's not fun it's not fun to see when people are being gross and like making up email addresses and only voting for one box and it's kind of but at the same time we do think that our team has been reusing a format and then it broke so for a certain amount of time we're like voting is up because we have this window time and it was broken we're working on some browsers and some other and it just looked like the optics of it was gross so we learned our little sentence we need to start with a fresh template every time the photos came out better this year but the other thing that we discussed was some of the photos are some of the boxes that were not executed very well which better than the photograph of a person that's an interesting thought usually it's the opposite usually pictures and things so the quality of the artist and it's certainly lost in that translation so we contacted the artists to talk to them now we published online on the PlaySchool of the winners we just started we're going to get back to us so is everybody seeing who the winners are? I'm sorry that wasn't nice I'm sorry it is a current progress okay so there's a part of me that feels like if the newspapers everything grows like online gets more inclusive but obviously there's some problems with it too oh yeah it's more inclusive but if everybody looks on the wood half of the people in the line are cheating no it's not going to work so these are the winners and the reason you're doing 6th this year is you have one artist from last year that was unable to execute their contract in a sufficient amount of time so she will be doing her piece from last year we have one that the Geely Wolf piece on 66th in Hilberg that has been tagged by Black Rust-Oleum so I met with your contractor who is actually going to to the test and he learns it too and it's taking up a mural as well so we're going to do spot patches there so if that's a big deal and then of course you've got the mushrooms which the sealant needs to be taken off and then the your home needs to actually be finished then we'll seal it so we're working with 9 artists is she going to have to redo the whole mushroom work? I'm not sure yet it depends on how well the sealant comes off it's not made to be removed so there you go we'll find out we're working with a new contractor this year I'm excited about that but we'll see the dollars are still not standing but it's not going to be anything to worry about because that's all I'm saying realm but 10 artists working with 10 artists at any given time that is that is the ultimate so this year it's 9 and the next year when we get back up and going and get to start fresh again we'll consider what that looks like which section? which one from last year did not get completed? to Andrew Holes it's the mountain there's a moon and a mist it's a sun it's a landscape where does that start? it goes in a park down south because just for a mention that would look great next to the type of elements she's already attracted a lot of kids I can't see because I need to be having it be somewhere like the library I actually think the spot that the voting happens right now there's a lot of space but just with so much foot traffic and people in the community and the library as well as kids it could be tight but if that was an option or maybe one beat or something we can absolutely ask the world is our oyster for next year I think we probably would keep it an old town marketplace and do it in the library in the past before my time no actually from here it was here as well so we can travel travel them around we want to make sure that the communication was very clear from the very beginning like this week it's going to be here this week it's going to be here and this week it's going to be there but moving them isn't that hurt it is nice that old town marketplace there's some traction the last couple of years and there's some cool stuff that's finally popping up in there because the first year of AIPBO it was like what is this place but now it was like there and everything else was closed and I was like this is odd and then now I feel like finally like the last few years they've developed some nice things in there but I always thought the exact same thing but I just like it's been nice they're starting to feel more traction well we'll get it started earlier this year earlier next year as well the painting though has to happen in the fall it just is not conducive to call rattlespring weather you get the good the sun's too hot the adhesion of the meat doesn't work so that's the location it was about mid-term actually the picture of the boxes yes it was already not that one not that one it's not that one so are you going to confuse hows and holds oh yeah no no yeah that one's already by the that was by hows and holds so is this the moment of the moment it's that what about the feet one so the feet one is installed yeah it's on over it's on over and left hand oh okay yeah I see it already I don't know how they work so this woman has a heart therapy company and so that's one of the things we don't have on was my ability to she was going to have other people who weren't trained through LPC as I understand she will be going to be in her school there you go shock heart questions it's very interesting that these Colorado states are so popular and one of the streets I really think about shock heart questions is that we have everything everything I mean I've heard that there's some cities where the boxes are painted but they're all adhesive themes or they're all open streets or whatever but ours are like everything everybody loves the landscapes and they all love to see where I'm at but everybody has a favorite one that it's not a landscape you think that's what's your favorite what's the mouse and the cheese oh it's the butterfly wings it's not a landscape but everybody votes for all the landscapes I know it's quite psychology and this year was dinosaurs why is it like that all of a sudden like dinosaurs and mermaids jellyfish collected consciousness I guess you had to hear me from the winners where their inspiration came from well just a question so that that has been social media Instagram where they're painting you can go around oh we're playing don't you worry I have too many artists okay ask artists ask artists their inspiration I would love to know where Travis he's the one who comes out of the bar so many times but works with him he's the one who did the love he's the one who did the sandwich this year he always does something so different I love that I love that brilliant great we'll be right along so CWS which is growing water growing water smart so growing water smart project at Kensington Park on whatever day that was Saturday 29th was successful there were about 50 people who came out and it was interesting talking with community neighborhood resources about the food truck and how they got the food truck to come and say they're like $8,000 purchased a hundred dinners and hope for the best the way they did it everybody got two tacos and a drink I had two more chotties and they were delicious and yeah people were driving by and stopping next leg was there with their big van giving out flyers and sunglasses and stuff like that so and depending on the day their dot matrix approach was so not what I was expecting at all I thought they were going the way that they made it sound was like they were going to actually have like a landscape architecture kind of design of like what plans they were talking about like that and the one of them was there which was a little disappointing but it was to say as I understand native plants and plant selectives gets kind of hard to do and get a fire in the fall and so that's why they weren't super specific availability but I did find out that a lot of these native plants fall is a great time to plant them because it gives them an excellent opportunity to root there you go Mario was there that's in the bottom left in the blue he stayed the entire time talking with every single neighbor who came and one woman but more than one person stopped to freak out and say you're not moving that school shirt are you so that was my job was like director reassurance no no no no no it's okay it's okay and then he got to say no that's my school shirt and this is why I'm doing it and so it really did come full circle the most interesting thing that happened was a woman did stop she was hesitant and she was worried that something was going to happen to it and she said that she was a participant and she was nine and she and Mario went through his like bound book and there was a picture of her so that was super cool all of this to say that this program I think is an excellent example of multiple departments in the city working together for a really great cause for common good for education that we've been talking about the outreach piece of it and I won't be surprised if after this project happens and they you know start looking at the next term for information projects it's not going to be it's not going to be focused around our public places but I imagine a project is the desire for a project is going to help forward so as you consider where you want to put those dollars the other piece of it too is there's $25,000 state funds that are coming from this and we will be able to naturally we'll be able to in some way shape or form to contribute so just as time goes on just remember this one for for the future and it looks like they chose grass alternatives I think grass alternatives is the winner yeah oh the other piece is that not only did they do the in-person aspect of this they also did postcards to the community with a QR code to send people online to vote so they do are trying to get a graph of the community from a white spot and the other piece through that postcard is to let the people know when the plan is going to be which is on your agenda on the back is that September the third date so I imagine that grass alternatives is probably the way to actually vote very much alright play by play maintenance so I have spoken to an artist J.C. Milner about the project I have reshaped the manufacturer because my name is still her warranty and Lauren I did a audit of how much touch up paint we have on that contractually the artist paid $40 an hour I let her know it was agreeable and she said yep I think it'll be about 15 hours 600 bucks that said chances are we're going to have to order so I'm making a recommendation of at least allocating $800 in this year's budget the other thing that's a little bit of a wonder but I actually think it's probably okay because we're doing touch up is the artist is only going to be available to work on a Thursday and a Friday I mean it was a community paint to begin with but this is going to be detailed work that we need to stay in line so I will be less volunteers a little more time other than that I could look at other weekends that should be available but we don't want it to be too hot and for our own expenses it's going to be a nasty winner we're probably already stretching into the beginning of October but those are the days that she's committed to if you are googling out he does dollars under an amendment to a contract Pronto did you look did you guys go around the sidewalk and look at the ones that were sealed I'm not sure really about what they're looking at but the same contractor who I working with for the shop art boxes is going to recommend this in addition I mean there's always the option of hating this amazing concept but we could remove it and put down some sort of proxy pattern underneath it and then hate it and then seal it or we could fix it as best we can and then seal it and just you know it's probably done it might have to be prepared you know once every five to seven years that's what we were expecting one year but that's why we were testing and you do think that it was water it looks like use to me tell them you have to what it's a year that we've had it's like a combination of the two is what my guess would be like play in the and the intense moisture this year I need to a motion to allocate we're thinking $800 the maintenance of this site at least a couple of gallons of heat are going to be done so do you think we need more we don't have to use it all yeah that's true I make a motion to put in $1,000 to get this project fixed and everything done so like make a motion to $1,000 for a $1,000 fix to get this project back on for maintenance of this project second that's a Kiley project interesting thing and then on the back where your agenda states don't want to say today these old leaves it will be all day okay we probably won't be painting but we'll be taking what we won't do is put in a giant call out to the community we're going to have to be pretty targeted we have some great volunteers who expressed sincere interest in more things and we're very dedicated and then of course I have all the volunteers less spark type than we did the first time unfortunately it's just one of those situations where we can't just have moms with kids going roadward brushes we need to stay in the lines this time it's a good job for a roadward brush yeah and not a hundred degree weather yeah alright okay so that brings us to story tour update Laura this is Laura okay you can channel me Laura Laura I don't want to be running again so I was tasked with taking over the tour from my lease time here and I have everything uploaded to the website and I recorded my voice of the text should we listen to it? yeah we should it's even the back of the folder that it came it's like a how to access the actual thing because it's locked right now but yeah I have literally multiple times and then also listening to my voices makes you want to just hold my hands off so I would appreciate it if when you all have time just go through it review it we basically I think it's pretty much done I just I cannot look over listen to this listen to this I love it this homework is donated in memory of Nancy a cherished teacher and member of the community it sounds so good it sounds so good good job Laura so we just need to read through a picture and then say words yes or paused for too long I think we'll work where we are and this project with these two initial launches is we're at feedback stage this is not forward facing as of right now and we also need to send it to translation we get the Spanish piece done so visit it spend time with it go stand in front of the piece with it want to choose one and then listen to it when you're not in front of the piece is the content right? what are we missing? because we can always make changes but the goal was to get this completed up and running for fall so in stage one we're done with this content but we can also and both of these like actual I did them because I went on to photos for everything very easy to do I'd say like the downtown one maybe a little far because you have to go from the civic center to brick sculpture but honestly like it's a nice walk it's two blocks I guess the other one that was like make the argos it's like you know so you can kind of choose and I worked on that as the others but yeah it's a nice little tour yeah I just need somebody else to look at it we'll do thank you Laura we'll do it Lara okay new business alright cause I made many questions alright folks so as you know the executive team gets together we had not gotten together in the spring and our goal was to do quarterly I'm gonna admit we just haven't been great about it but that's okay we reviewed of course all of the finances where we are and as you'll recall of course we have a backlog of the projects that we're trying to get going over COVID and then they finally started getting all in one time dropped those off the plate re-elected the queue of projects and the executive team has narrowed it down so we'll start with the first one and probably the most important one is the crack bridge so crack bridge of course is nearly as far as I can tell for a few million dollar projects our resilient St. Brain has contributed significant funds to our local businesses that said some of those dollars aren't always from the city budget there's some not from state other dollars related to that doesn't really matter so I'm gonna go a little back and forth but this is the crack bridge it is done and these bridges so it's going to be the one on crack South crack so just very close to here kind of near bootstraps I don't really know where we're talking about it's the red circle the big two you guys that's me so South crack just straight up and of course it crosses the river going north south and then Boston which is going to be its sister bridge exactly the same design it's the east west version that bridge is funded is bid out is construction is starting presently and it won't be done until the end of 2025 so of course the buy crowd which has been made by lots of people very grumpy it's going to be closed of course from Boston and then up through it's a wall which of course is the top level part so that's where our gathering of people project is happening as well so it's a good time to either use the crack bridge and something into something lovely so our residents are seeing the action is happening because they're going to give up the closure square footage of this project is approximately 970 square feet so this area here all along and down this is about 99 feet from side to side and then this is about 4 and a half so it's about 970 square feet is that full side that's 970 square feet plus 970 square feet no so it's 420 420 digital yes so that's addressing both sides so I did research into a number of things first of course the machinery that it's going to take to get down at the location side to get somebody up to work on it and then we wanted the executive team talked about complimentary to so we're talking about this area here right our friends in engineering you know if you can do something here I'm sorry that gets tagged so hard and so does this area down near the river and when the river does swell because it's going to then that's going to be wonderful so it's the suggestion of engineering and everyone that this is probably the best zone these caps are that deal you're not going to remove them or anything like that but so something that would complement Main Street Bridge probably colorful the bridge is so stout it can hold anything it can hold a ton of weight so I started doing research into we've been talking about it commemorating this lot since 10 years even though this won't be done this year probably it will be done this year or the call saying celebration of the 10 year anniversary of the blood absolutely and we should ban inclusion mosaic so your piece that is on Main Street is recycled upcycled glass this bridge could absolutely 100% hold a giant mosaic the cost of mosaic work in the public art realm at this point in time is between $450 and $550 and I wish I was joking but I'm not you know it's laborious I get it that typically is when an artist applies mosaic to a mesh and then it installs the mesh but what we could do and what the executive team spoke about and fill in here anytime it makes me not just a mural but a mural a mural ant if we did if we did $80 a square foot which in essence is like one fifth mosaic right to mural at a suggested price of a $75,000 project is like $80 a square foot that's what I'm suggesting there are ample dollars in the art public places fun this project if you see fit or to be more or less I'm all ears if you would like more research done into it absolutely I am 100% prepared to launch and start this scope of work get our selection panel here figured out our task force here start recruiting selection panelists and artists and other contracts this year so think about that we hope go ahead and look at what we are doing the other thing to note is Bloxton Bridge is the sister project and so depending upon this if we narrow down to a number of artists we can always come 2025 consider you know doing more than one project that we like we wouldn't want to get that hard to send a contract but we can always revisit it so there's any questions on this one or should I just keep going just a brief comment you have a mixed media mosaic and other stuff in the one call along the river in Rogers Grove and so if anybody wanted to get an idea it's just a small on-site building I like that yeah so do you want to vote on me? why don't you show me the other two things we were talking about first oh and I should say numbering dollars if you vote on the project of the dollars if we need to allocate or appropriate more dollars in this year's budget because we get an artist and we want to go under contract that's not a problem we can always do it if we do make a motion what we don't want to do is say to put it this year we just don't call the dollars but yeah that's preparation so the parks department is doing what's called the evening night I don't know if anybody has heard about this but they are really spearheaded a large number of projects in a short period of time I have been invited to finally the design meetings that are happening on the regular for these two parks they are both neighborhood parks clover meadows and fox meadows apparently we need all our parks up for meadows so and so I do not know anything more about this project except the location and I was told that both of the parks including an astrotourist from another place was 4.5 million so here is the location of clover meadows park this is airport um this is heather hill I guess and then that's sort of where is that where you are? so a way west does that make sense? do you want me to pull it up on the left? width 6 height well there is clover basin all the way all the way this is airport so like it's pretty far west right? yeah clover basin comes down here that's clover basin down here would be 119 yeah it goes between um yeah does everybody have a good sense of where we are? if not I could pull it up on the left so this this is the approved design at this point in time restrooms major themed playground open space flexible and useful a lot of natural outdoor fitness stations a concrete trail hammock and slackline a bridge with a ditch and boulder play some water soft surface trails something about track bike scales and pump track in more natural open space so the parks department is working with an outside contractor on all of these again I don't know much more than the parks master plan of course always has neighborhood parks having something as an identifier identity issue identification for the community so we'll just be like wrapped all of into that and it'll start pretty much right away so I'm slightly that's like they want an art project there and they don't care what it is I don't know I've never been to a meeting I go on Tuesday so these projects are on a bridge bridge ditch boulder play that must be that there's number eight which is right by that brown line go to the northeast oh it's in the middle it's right here yeah do you go to the department meeting or the parks board there's like eight different there's a single project manager for this project Steve Randweiler and then there is other park staff and then there's a contract so they've done a number of community meetings the community neighborhood resources folks are involved in all community projects going forward as it should be project management in the city they're taking a very new approach very holistic approach it's time consuming but it's completely worth it so I think they're roping us in maybe a little early but early enough to give us an opportunity to hear the community what it is how they would like to identify themselves and see themselves so I'm going to this meeting like I said on Tuesday but again it was a 4.5 million dollar there's always bike rags right but so before you get here we don't know the exact size which one is worth I didn't see 8 bridge on the 6.84 meters oh this is the right size yeah alright well and so the next month you can report back what they think they want yeah I think going to them with an idea of dollars that we can spend would be prudent and again looking at what you have in your budget for this year and you say this the other day that we were going to have about $45,000 so we have $171,000 of asset money that would be it would be prudent to attempt to encumber and get underway by the end of this year so $7,000 if you spent about $75,000 on the bridge and then you spent $45,000 on these two parts so this one and then $45,000 during each let's look at the other one so the other one does not have an approved design I reached out to Steve today and I didn't hear back from him but I know that they have been working with the community so this is it it's called the Fox Meadows but this is Fox Hill right and it's to the west so County Road is here and this is 9th so they are here it's sort of like it's sort of like it's a little bit south of and it's south of the one that has the year old dam and the high school is up there so same kind of thing being done in two phases the community input and construction and bidding is absolutely underway it's north of the hospital I feel that area so there's the these are the projects coming out of what we know what we know where Parks Department is and I have been now assured from multiple employees in the Parks Department that this isn't service like some of the other Parks projects that we have been to that are going under construction and still have come to the ground in years this is happening and it is coming from the to the top so I am assured that if we get an artist under contract the artist is not going to be waiting around to install this is happening to them so when looking at the queue of our public places projects that's one of the reasons that the executive team has narrowed down and then maybe before we go too much further low-hanging through the vintage traffic boxes working with the archives and we have the COBIAS amount fantastic archival photographs that would work in fine overlapping on these boxes I'm doing the product research right now but talk about paying for your buck and maintenance these are fantastic so depending upon what dollars are left and what we are able to and who decides to be on the task course for doing the research of these we can decide how many we want to do and it would also address the feedback of desiring to have our public places all over town there's a lot in the south part of town right now the city does not own a lot of land not that people know that but it doesn't own a lot of land up north so that's one of the ways that we can address certainly it's like down tower therapies on every corner they're at every intersection it's the traffic control boxes one of the things that we could talk about is about having more kind of pocket guards this is exactly the parking size but more kind of supplies things you can spy around town and it just makes our town so rich to have this and this one is just so easy because you don't have to make the artist access the photos already and they're easy to replace if they get damaged and it'll definitely increase the riches of the town and the downtown can you read the text at all there's a line around the text and QR code I don't know what it is they're like oh absolutely, like label on the bottom or something, absolutely and then depending on how well the tour app goes then this could be one of the next things that we dive into so I think I don't want to call the projects living through but it's true like this one is a great one so here we are so second half of the year and looking at responsibly of course putting these things forward it would be absolutely preferential to get the craft bridge started right away because of the 2013 pieces of it we'll work with our comms team I understand that they're doing quite a bit in September let people know about the renovation of the flood of course the museum is going to have my exhibition in this room so that we'll be able to tap into that and say this is the contribution from our public places to memory and the art is always under way it's a great way to do that so whether that does anyone have any questions I have a question, yes if we allocate this money this year and it turns out that what we want is going to be more expensive can we add one money next year that's my only question really who wasn't thinking maybe what do you think you like all these projects but it's can't be reported okay so that question so we want to oh we want to encumber someone I don't know hey what about something similar to the we're not talking about that let's do the money because that is the money right now or is it? I don't know I think I think we should probably talk about these three big projects and then we can talk about the two what it wants alright alright so so we in the executive committee we have 35,000 for this bridge does anybody have any thoughts on that does anybody is everybody willing to is not being adjusted if necessary yes peace if we could adjust to that and really want some kind of mixed media it might be worse than that so the other thing you can do of course is create an RFQ with a range and you put the scope of work out that you were looking to address this with a strong project between X number and Y number you put that RFQ out you of course get your task force together you still get a selection panel together you get all of your qualifications those people go through narrow it down to the artists and of course we pay those artists to create proposals they put the proposal together and they say my proposal will cost X number Z and that would have to be between does that make sense you can always pay them something for their work on this proposal always you absolutely 100% and in this fiscal year in 2023 you have 171 that we could be in cover without having to re-incorporate and Eric has a shirt and I'm sure she won't want to agree but for free to colors is not a big deal so just you have to go to the council and it's budget type it's budget type just keeping that in mind which is not like dollar type but it's a lot of discussion and things that bring value to the community are the things that and this does bring value to the community this is such an important community aspect that people can say it increases value in my home it increases the blockability and the view of the community and other communities don't have it so we made sure this is right and this is fun about authority within our public places correct not taking it from anywhere else this is money authority dedicated to our public places correct and so just to put we have 171,000 and these are asset dollars we're not talking about operations we're talking about the line of purchasing so this year we have 171 and the budget for next year is 250 so you can still appropriate the dollars of the way that they should be spent tonight and that if the parks projects need to go over into 2024 of the school year okay so this is back to the bridge back to the bridge well but the thing is mine I don't do this well with my head the $45,000 or $15,000 piece for the parks do we need to do that in 2023? no I think to move so to get this project started an allocation of dollars would be most prudent so we can start the artist call on the park the two parks projects having an idea of how much you as an our public places commission feel comfortable assigning to those projects so when I go into these design meetings I have a leg to stand on a bit would be helpful well I just think that if we say oh we have I'm running this because these are $50,000 spent on this park and all they want is three micracks that's a lot of money for a micrack they don't get to choose one of the art okay good that's a good answer you get to choose one of the art they're going to lend themselves to your engagement plan here this would be an appropriate place for our design things that we could envision are you know the community has said we'd like to see your art public places this is your opportunity to ask the community what they would like to see all of those things are going to come to life but if I can go in and say our public places commission is considering or has all as allocated $45,000 we need to go up from there based upon what the community wants to see a Chicago mean we want to see a little bit of writing but they can say we have this much square footage and we'd like to see something musical then I'll do the research and say musical things cost about as much money come back to you move dollars so if we vote tonight to allocate $75,000, $45,000, $45,000 that's just encumbering those funds but they aren't written in stone it's just allocating encumbering is when we actually go under contract with an artist so it's allocating this money but it's not written in stone and can we decide can we decide do we need to decide now if we're going to do an RQ or do just a straight call for artists are those the options your options for commissioning artwork are three ways according to your guidelines one is best practice which is an RQ that basically says we are looking for it's like hiring someone for a job just like any job we are looking for these qualifications based upon the kind of artwork that we desire we would like anybody who's interested to send us an example of your previous work and then it's narrowed down to an RQ at that point that's when you are asking a short list of people the task force on the selection panel will decide what that short list looks like and then those people are coming together and they're putting the proposals together that's doing work and so we pay the artist at that point your time to do the work is selected on that RQ is the best practice for our publicists your second option is just to go straight to an RQ and that is not best practice because artists will come to you and they'll see out of their mind something for the space and they're not getting paid for it you could do that in those instances often what you will get is artists who have already created a piece of artwork and so they're like hey I'll give you a proposal I have this thing in my storage put it in your cart the other piece is the direct purchase which you have done as well an example of that is when Art on the Move happened and the bear came to town and it was downtown and then Art on the Move left in 2018 and so the artist had to take the bear away and stuck it up in Lyons and as just Bart was like there's my bear so they came back to Art on the Move and they're like look our bear is in Lyons when is our bear coming back and then the commission decided well the community really likes our bear we're going to purchase the bear reach out to the artist they gave us the price and we purchased the bear so those are the three ways in which Art on the Move okay what do people think so I'm trying to put like six acres is that about two city blocks as a collection I'm just trying to get an idea of how large that is and I was thinking well probably before the 5,000 hour piece of art would be about one could be something that would have a lot in it actually because probably we're really good at space and blocks anyway and I like the idea of doing those two parts and then I did have a question on when you put out the art here whatever you're going to put out and so the artist saved the year like something that has occurred with it being 3D but we're open to whatever because we have this new amount but it's something that you don't know what people are going to well we give them guidelines we create a statement that says this needs to complement the bridge unmade it commemorates our flood our flood it's you know this is the space we have we really like something that makes media so we give them ideas and then they say they take those ideas and say hey here like the butterfly familiar you should want to gather in a place with shade and we have a bridge to go I like the idea of giving them a range a downward range that might be beyond the 75,000 yeah just see what happens if we say 75 to 85,000 does that limit the amount of money we can allocate to the parks we just want to encumber the dollars for the parks in some way so our choices are RFQ direct purchase which I think that we can eliminate this option in this case right RFQ or the other thing which nobody is paid for so we don't think that's a RFQ we're good at RFQ and again what it comes down to is ultimately you get artists who are going to apply for the RFQ and you are asking for at least media of painting and some mosaic kind of work and you're going to have a bronze sculptor apply with all the bronze sculptures so what we're going to have to say this isn't the kind of work we're doing or you get someone like Mario which is a perfectly good example because he does work in mural he does work in mosaic but he also is a sculptor and so when he as a qualified applicant looks at it he'll say the sculpture I'm not going to include in my portfolio work of examples of the things that I do but here are the things that I have with this type of project that's big enough that this is not an entry level artist opportunity it's going to have to be a really robust qualification but also there is the written piece of it I'm saying you know these kinds of things in this image it's been I'll say mostly glass but I've also been working in serene and it'll show a breath of air this is the aerial we're talking about so kind of just this light and that's what two four six eight ten twelve houses long two four six eight houses wide it's a neighborhood art it's not huge it's probably about one city long yeah I think so so I was just trying to think if there are houses in one neighborhood or in a quarter area there's one house in a quarter area it's a pretty good size it is anyway well yeah did that probably have a size it would be a good size so I think I'm trying to think of other neighborhood pieces that we have called your part piece it was the big quartile which there's Roosevelt Park has all the different pieces but that's not a neighborhood part right I'm just thinking of her scale that is a who that's in Thompsonton Atlanta the the yeah how much was the piece that you called the part 16 yeah something like that yeah go on go on I think the cost of the objects are coming back somewhere in the neighborhood of 16 to 18 percent higher than normal the the because the circular one not always where you order according to the contracts yes but then you went for the budget and he had to come back to the our global business portion and that was okay that was 2015 so what would end up being in this day and age 17 okay that's probably too large of a scale for a smaller yeah so if a task force does get together the next steps will be of course at our walk we will be soliciting new selection panelists finding out people's schedule and getting some of the selection panel dates on and then I'll do a bunch of research of examples of things that we get for the dollar amount that we're looking at in this day and age things that have been commissioned in other towns but will be but that's about a consensus okay so we still have to make a motion to prove funding for the bridge let's do the bridge first make a motion to allocate between 75,000 Q between 75 and 100 and so the scope of work would say that's me 75 to 100 okay and do I have a second all in favor of a scope of work 75,000 to 100,000 for the Pratt street bridge for an RFQ and very much okay now for clover meadows and flax meadow park these are neighborhood parks absolutely going to be made next year as I have been assured by multiple people from parks program okay so we have until you go to the meeting you have no idea what they're thinking about yeah I'm still a little hard to know whether they want 15 bronze sculptures of swimming fish down the side of the park or whether they want a I think more over what will come to light is this is the space that we feel based on our community input and the designs that we're going with it's to fit in these possible areas alright and you can table until next month if you want to or yes you can allocate I said let's go shop and I want to spend the money alright how much money do you want to spend on each park I'm going to make a motion to allocate $45,000 for each park okay and that $45,000 allocation would that include the money we paid the artist to do the so that would be interesting okay because I don't want to limit them okay so who seconds that motion does anybody all in favor do one for Clover and one for Fox please okay so that was Clover and we're still all we can thank you and Melanie seconded yes and then Fox Meadows make a motion to spend $45,000 in the park and the second they yell and the vote please all in favor you can okay okay traffic box final wraps we don't have to allocate any money at this time because they each cost $100 each we can do a million of them they each cost $1,000 each we can do fewer than that and I'm just going to come back to you and let you know what it's looking like but it would be helpful if there are people who are interested in starting to work with volunteers to and just okay I have I know Eric's like sorry sir you just signed up for some miles I know I have to tell if anyone would like to I would like to know if the final rep people would obviously but I mean our pictures that are long and thin like what on the end they're better or pictures that are big and wide like the guitar players there so I spoke with one manufacturer depending upon how much they cost for a box I may or may not have to go a bit that said they take the images and proof them on the actual boxes because Laura and I went down to the corner and measured that one but then when I was driving the main note to that box was different so they actually we could take the number of images that we have we allocate them to the different boxes and then they actually pull them and proof them and make sure that it fits properly on the box and they put them so it may be a crop of an image it may not okay so basically we can just pull out any picture that we think is cool a lot of it is your one but I think the color you're so great it's so great I think that personally because they're all historical photos I would be surprised to see what it's called of course historical I think years ago it was color so 1970s color so glorious so beautiful so the 1970s the 1970s look at that say cheaper like a thing exactly look oh yeah so yeah so the good thing about this project is that it's your time whatever time you have available we work with our staff and we'll just have to fit it in but I don't think everybody has to meet at the same time like it can kind of be the song you don't need to use of course with the staff and there's about 5,000 images online so that's a crazy oh yeah because we have the time to work with people we have 7,000 friends plus but they're not online if you have to look through them we have a 5,000 do we have rights to the time to call? probably just email John because we have an agreement that the city can use them so I think that would cover us in this case but I promise you're going to see it as a safe project legal would probably hide other fairies because it's not for commercial purposes but it would probably work that brings up the question of these guys are probably dead but maybe something from the 70's isn't it? it's actually not about the people it's not about who took the phone it's about the hardware around and I saw my picture on the side of the street so cute when you were younger oh yes I was gonna say your thing is to yourself so do we have task force folks interested do you know them? I'll make time I'll figure this out and again I think we can also spread this out to digital I love that the question is which ones to throw to not right? yes I think everybody is going to have to pick their favorites everybody kind of just comes in and brings them to tent and put on or something like that it's not that aspect that everybody else gets to put their two cents into but who's going to go through? that's like a lot of pictures 5000 pictures to go through and not everybody has a time the task force is certainly figuring out are you going to try and get something like throughout the time or are you going to stick with you'll have lots of time we'll look at great ideas but the art on the move an opportunity like art on the move style where everybody gets to build on which ones make the short pieces even if you open it up to just like in order to be the music but what we need is a count of the boxes that we're going to have as I'm working with the traffic folks right now they have concerns of over-eating and working with the manufacturer of the two kinds of products almost 3M and one something else and I've already been in communication with three other towns that do this and they're like it's awesome so just to make sure that everybody's on the same page but obviously the traffic people have to be they have to sign up because they don't know what it is yet okay and what's their initials is it just traffic Jimmy, Scott, and Kyle no I mean like LPC no they're just traffic they're just traffic they're part of public works okay cool oh yeah there it is public work and natural resources or maybe they change it alright and then lastly oh Civic Center 2D so one of the other conversations that came out of the executive team is that we do have a lot of buildings the memorial buildings are going to be one of them that they have walls with nothing wrong and so depending upon what ends up kind of end of the year of this budget putting out a call this would be an RV kind of practical note this would be a direct purchase in that situation where we put a call out to long-long artists or whatever you all think of opportunities for people to submit like 6 or 8 pieces of artwork that they have to go on display permanent to be purchased by public places to go on display in civic buildings paintings photographs digital shirts and it has to be can't just be a slide it has to be an actual digital thing would frame or not as necessary and so where we need to start with this is first we need to ask for a reason who's my big big and then we'll have to go around and do an audit of potential spaces figure out size limitations of what we have invite staff with those buildings to be included in the conversation and then put request out for artists and collect them and then do the same kind of thing on a hard-on move you know you all get to see these things they're about this size this would fit here this would fit there and then just narrow it down and purchase artwork so in end of the year probably a situation so allocating dollars we're just not there yet based on and also we have to decide if we would pay by size or by medium or by they say this is my painting I sell my painting for 1800 market value so if you are interested I will reach out to Jeff Reesner and ask about it so that's all the direction I needed and then next month we'll get task forces for the box probably we do need a task force to bridge yeah I want to be a small task force but I can't save so but they are all Rees is in it will be a bridge sweet alright I want to reach out to you for your availability I'll take one do you want to do task forces for part-time but I don't think I mean you can I'm just obviously we have some people around here tonight but just for all of you I'll sign the word it all hurts you have some Thanksgiving if you're not there you get a sign all of that Teresa and Melanie for crap Clover Meadows Mark do you want to sign task force members for Marks can we do that next let's do it let's do it I think we'll have more information not only the task force we have selection panels there's still other ways to be involved as well we have other tasks task force members sit on the slides yeah there's other things to do did we did we get those oh shoot we'll do it under new business how are we in time we're good alright so VI phone booths yeah this is more as an FYI yeah this is it but what used to be quests which is now no longer anything they have phone booths phone ones someone will have phones like two of them don't anyway there's three of them in town one of them is installed across from Ziggies and that's in the right of way two of them are on private business land and they need to go away and so the LVDA was contacted and they're like what do we do? we figured out the legally legally of it they called me and they're like hey now go to those our public places once phone booths and so I was like oh no so I asked the executive team so I was like yeah so I mean I don't know so here's what we have to do is we'll have to pay to get removed which I think means me and Jared and Laura with the saw saw and like it's gonna be fine and then we have to store them which we have our shed we also have we'll figure I'm not worried they're not like Dr. Lufon there's one there's one on wall like witchels and if you drive by on Main Street you can see it there if I had my thing it's gonna look like 1980s it's got a post and it's got a little three-sided wrap around plastic you know witchels so one of the must-have witchels runs at the whole gas station and crops in the home house so those are the two we have to get if we want to we have to get them we have to store them and then the third one just stays you can just stay in the right way until we figure out what kind of our project to do with them and the only thing that the quest not questly he said was he can't say quest I was like okay so yeah they were agreeable and I just need your direction on cocaine and take pictures put them on Instagram so as you're doing your musings on your you know hyper allergic or your war pandas or whatever this could be anything I'm thinking they're personal they're not big maps they're not big can you put it up on the screen yeah I mean everybody knows what we're talking about yeah I don't know I haven't seen one in a long time what are you saying I don't know I'm sending it one of them said the sago map which is directly across you can see it one of them said the flower sago there it is it's your phone booth that you are not in I mean you know it's like so great it's like a piece of history so anywho I want to be all of I don't know if you all did the whole thing it was okay but I think there's lots of opportunity but it does need so I have to store them we're not going to pay it strong we all agree that you need to get those before somebody else snaps them up actually hook them up in different places around the museum outside where someone could pick it up and they could hear some famous somebody from Longmont tell us a quick story or they could install them in a couple of parts and then next season pick them up and take them to a couple other parts I mean it could be a couple of weird stuff like Rocky Tommy yeah like get smart get smart I think so anyway point one is how hard are they to get up what are they to weigh obviously at some point I'm going to have to talk to structural engineers management of when we put them back in how do they have to be bolded but yeah I'll do that when I work stuff while you make dreams but this is definitely in 2024 yeah just we need to get them and keep them but you're probably working together because they're like it's just definitely in here so there's okay phone moves there you go art walk on September 19 on the night it's the night so this is an email that you should have received it will receive that has a lot of gobbledygook about how easy it is except that it's got so much language really jeer please but ultimately it says here's what you do three easy steps and you just click on the link and what are they doing at our work we're going to have a booth with the museum are we doing a snap project yeah we're going to I think we're going to make buttons go ahead that's just there we go and then it populates the sign up and that's when you get to see that we are asking for one person to come and help set up one person one person to be an ambassador from 4 to 6 one person to be an ambassador from 6 to 8 and one person to tear down from game to 9 okay so on our agenda it says the 19 it's the 16 it's the 9 I'm sorry it's the 9 and then Rhythm on Roosevelt is the next Saturday on the 16 and the creative district and LDDA ourselves and another of a bunch of cultural brokers and greaties in town are then pitching that whole week as Longmont's first arts work and so then there's a culmination of the existing events that are already happening in town on a consolidated calendar so you can go and see all of the different opportunities so what we're asking from you is to join there's going to be museum staff there Laura and I will be dividing and to go and sign up and we'll have our box winners on display they're going to say yes and then we will have button making and then of course just a lot of information about what it is we do for selection and talking about these parts and is that the art work or is that the work they put the make down from like 3rd to 9th and then Rhythm on Roosevelt please come but as a volunteer on behalf of the art public places there will be a museum booth there will be a facilitated craft something happening and we will have our information out but we don't need to stop that's the weekend and then the weekend after that because if you use 1, 2, Saturdays why not do 3 the Saturday after that is the 23rd which is the hand by numbers at Kensington so we will be there and you don't need to volunteer but it will be great if you show up and it will get information about that so every Saturday in September okay so when you go to the link the one thing you are going to see on the side it will populate and steal all your cookies then obviously scour what you put Google name and reasons and try to sell you those shoes you have been looking at that's the one terrible thing about this app but it makes it really easy for you to just go ahead and sign up and then it will send you a confirmation and you are going to put your name sign right in that person's and phone number and then after you go through the whole thing it's going to say H and then it's going to try to sell you more stuff but and then luckily Lara and I just get to auto-populate your reminders and it does the work for us so it's not I did art rock with different community last year and it was a lot of fun just talking to the community and the button making is a huge hit so hopefully it won't be like cold and rainy again I asked you about the butt-making community it was great to have you so it will be drawing or I explained just because one year for a convention I was doing I used to love to make little handkerbs you can do that too the only rule on the butt-making is that the staff has to do the thing because we need to never do it so again the reason to show you this is sign up is really easy and I'm not trying to sell you the shoes you were looking at hahaha okay alright at that social outlook before we get into that Sean is here sorry for being late thank you all for the nice card that we received from my father's passing and then we reiterated the issue around the budget I got some things that you wanted to have put in the budget from your perspective as a member of this that's the strategy of why it's important and why we should be looking at this year's budget just and then we can make sure that I can carry that forward I don't have anything because we kind of took that some time off here so just interesting to see some of this in, it's good to see you all again thank you for coming to the dedication yes, thank you very much okay, now that was great Dale that was great, just a bummer that had a brain that that's the only thing you know it's like and then it clipped out of the talk that's a Angela Murphy's love drama last and well if there are projects that you hear of in from the city perspective that don't end up on some of these lists where they want to see our member places and you might hear about it if I hear about it ahead of time I certainly I'm pretty good about it I think it's like it doesn't really seem like it's that I should be trying to make that decision but I'm pretty good about passing it on to the right people not have people that come up with ideas and they'll send it to me and it's like that's not really my I have to kind of pass it to staff to see first off we have limited amount of time and resources in staff we want to be respectful of that because these are kind of difficult times because it's hard to find that I'm involved by people and people that are willing to make that commitment so we got not to push people too hard I think we're still at that place where 83 years from now we can kind of go on now everybody can but now it's not that hard Fire departments are certainly homeless Workman Park if it ever gets under a construction we'll revisit that just because of the FYI or something else that we're getting build up you need silence maybe it's easy okay you have your social plan right so I thought one of the things that we discussed in our second committee meeting is that we really like spending time together we have a great time here of course on the commission but this takes us a long time to get to know each other because of years before we're sitting with another person when we really visit so that's in this kind of just so that we can get to know each other a little bit better faster I propose that we do this questionnaire which I started to work online so if you just do them now it will take a second really and if you don't think you want to keep you know us a little bit then somebody will compile them in front of our staff right yep it works then and then you can look at them so I invite them to just visit with each other I thought we'd just ask them around and then we could guess what they were that's what your name is but I will start with what people are doing so that you can get to know me a little bit more so I was born in Dallas, Texas it's true Longmont since 2016 which is seven years and I came to Colorado in 2014 and moved to Durango person was in Durango for a couple years before I figured out that was on the plus so what kind of work did I do I actually was in marketing and in nonprofit administration and I have kind of checked my career of doing other kinds of things currently I'm a fiber artist and creativity teacher my creative work that I do right now is mostly and fiber art yarn dyeing I also some sewing and some designing and an occasional bit of other stuff but mostly I'm so good at dyeing yarn and durango stuff that's mostly my creative work the reason that you know the city council asked me in that interview about why did I serve under AIP completion I said well I really like living in Longmont I want to see what goes on I'm a scenes and at all times I look back for best with all my skills and experience and I did work in public art in Austin I didn't tell others in the 80's but I hated but at least I did work in public art and I was very involved in the very nascent arts community in Austin at that time because all the artists at that time were like oh there's 20's and 30's and they were all trying to figure out how to work with your art to get developers and their people to get donors and it was just like it was like they had to wander around but it was pretty fun because it was a good place to start one random fact about myself I don't know what should I say ask me something how's the studio? oh my new studio it's fabulous it's in 15th and May it's Rob Hunter Pizza Hut and it is really great I'm getting used to it and I never see anybody else except for Pizza Hut Drivers who are outside my windows in the afternoons they're all faking and talking on their phones and then they go get pizzas and drive and then come back they don't really see vehicles my windows are all clean and stuff so I just buy one and drive it doesn't smell like pizza that's good news and I'm getting used to it definitely I'm getting used to it because I have to grow to work I have to get all my stuff organized and drive here rather than just go to the basement and sit there all day so so I think what we decided in the executive team meeting is why we don't have time to go around and like give everybody three minutes we'll try and do an icebreaker every time just something fun so I don't know if we want to pick one of these things just the random thing about yourself and go around in the room and then we're really going to promote trying to have people come if you can half an hour before the meeting so there is that opportunity to have social time if we absolutely can but we'll try and do an icebreaker every time so if you can learn about the food in my shop you know how many of those things I could get everybody in Laura you want to say something that is a random fact of yourself yeah yeah if you have never tried it in like mustard, what mustard in your menu is delicious it sounds weird but it's so good and I was going to say I could try this mustard yeah I mean do you want me to work too yeah I just that's a weird thing yeah so I am absolutely 100% sure that I am 5th generation Colorado Horn it might be 7th so in my free time I was going to look into it earlier but my great-grandmother was born in Glendale in 1903 and the brothers of my great-grandmother there was an ag farm on Flagler and the mine was of course in Glendale and every two years the families would go back and forth because of Glendale's son so yeah I've been here all the time and I've never been here I've been here so long because it's kind of hard to go through and we're just right and it's hard to visit but I think so I mean people might say oh my god how can you do that it's so expensive I go I don't live I don't care to live in a normal van or when I get here I know I don't like it Sydney Backtoy there's so many Backtoy's I can't imagine you'd have to ask me a question what about a creative or an art related oh art related I make plays I make plays and I've been consulting with the Denver Art Museum on their list oh that's so cool and I'm having a class on the 22nd you see a place a place a place there's lots of kinds of places I'm going to be surprised it's pretty mesmerizing to watch you know I've watched plenty of videos of all this like that's why I'm like I'm very intrigued to know this because they run a test course together yeah I know your first bomb is your melody Backtoy obviously I have lots of hobbies I have a lot of stuff you just have to find a one oh I know oh okay I really love to travel I love to travel and go surfing all sorts of fun trips but like six years ago we went to Ecuador for a surf trip and we were hanging out for a couple weeks with this dog following us around and that's all I want to know so we brought her back we did a meat product I'm bringing it into the country she's playing it you know she's playing it as a meat product cross yep and then the custom officer was just like what are you bringing her up drink my product cool all right I'm always doing something and joking all over the place but most recently I discovered this white sumac and that led me to buying a Persian cookbook and now I want to do this cooking for the sumac it's wonderful I tried to buy the sumac for a recipe when we were in Durango I think that's one of the things we did and it's safe there it's safe for the whole place I went I went to the places in Durango so street fact about me I got straight by leading a college in Durango and so now I can't tune in anywhere you go so that's not very creative but I'll walk away and it's out of tune and I'll walk up and say just sort of and certain things then hit the water tower on the college campus in fact she happened but on the creative side I started my fourth career my daughter Molly she's graduating from college and she met Paul in state of media communication and she's starting her director debut and I played the crotchety old professor in her murder mystery that she wrote and directed and everything and I played the amateur actor playing in this with these very skilled actresses one's been in the Spider-Man movie one's been in a couple of Amazon movies and one's been in that place but that sort of thing I see that's my fourth act because I was a banker and I came to teach and I got into the politics and now I'm doing there again so I think I can type cast it away I got very very few lines I can even tell if you are you are but it was interesting we went up to CSU and they said let your halls they built it in there with a class that was doing something there in school and then these actresses are there and they're like it's always interesting so that's my experience I love it she's supposed to be putting in a couple of festivals in Toronto one in New York and another one in LA one of the Lawn Museum so it's called the Lawn so we'll keep you up right Eric so I sing the early American acapella music called Shape Note I don't know what to say but I travel as far as England to do it South of California it's funny you either really like it or people will come and they will say but you can't even see it it wasn't what I thought it was how many people do you have to sing with or is there a specific number for the four part the most I've ever had in a room some went is probably 150 and because we sing full volume it's intense year to year sometimes during outdoors wow I work on commerce but I cannot drive a station car no matter what so there's my company hello oh my fuck back there again like back to like a million hobbies but I do make recycled earrings that I can't take hands but they sell a bunch of that so I don't know it's kind of one of my fun fun things you're participating can I if you don't have to we're re-marked I saw an London England and I think over here longer than any of you have been born wait are you curious are we close almost so a note Angel is going to be out in October yes please I'd like to excuse we'll see I need a motion to adjourn unless anybody else has come somebody have a comment they want to make okay I need a motion to adjourn a second all in favor adjourned at 801