 ways to address some of these barriers just generally trans leadership and recentering trans narratives so not tokenizing people allowing people to have the opportunity to both tell their own stories but produce and direct and design for their own stories and within that is also not allowing not assuming that a play by a trans playwright or a play about a trans experience has to be about people's trauma with their gender that there is much more nuance and diversity and experience okay it coming off it's gonna be great the other thing that was talked about in terms of institutional is actually it should have been on this one this is what happens when you try and hold and right at the same time casting policy so an example that got brought up with Shakespeare Santa Cruz and like an intentional effort of being like we're going to cast 50 acknowledging there isn't necessarily like a policy right now in terms of trans or gender non-conforming or non-binary folks but a policy that does exist is a commitment to cast 50 percent women 50 percent people of color and what we talked about for strategies are what are strategies that people are already doing for equity that could be then targeted towards or engaged towards other populations within that was also training staff to prepare with the to engage with the content so not just the artists that are going to be on stage but your marketing folks your box office so folks anybody that's gonna have to talk about the work or engage with the public about the work and then another thing within the kind of is engaging trans arts organization so both like reaching out in terms of performers and designers and directors but also advocating for them so they get the resources they need to do their own work so it's a very like so it's a reciprocal relationship and not just being like hey give us your performers and we're not going to do anything back and really developing a thriving arts ecosystem that supports more trans artists and within that is paying trans actors more than you pay non-trans actors so one of the example was like if you have one trans role every four years you can afford to pay somebody a little bit more so that's what we had cool one more great you should have a mic over there as well or we can share so we had thirty minutes to have a really complicated conversation and this board sort of reflects the journey of that and that space so we actually are not gonna go through each of the individual things and we're gonna ask for folks to come up here and engage with this you know as you're in the space today the main things that Jack and I wanted to say please feel free to jump in Jack are you know we talked most of this work that we talked about is for allies it's allies work that allies need to do we talked a lot about the internal work that we need from leadership and then we talked a lot about more like external systematic cultural changes as well and a lot of that is represented this is for all the help you know to have a lot more time to talk about these things and create a plan of action it was good it was really good and I'm not sure how to summarize it was good I'm just gonna speak from the heart we need more spaces like this I've never like SK said seen so many trans identified folks in the arts or in theater in the room together that alone even the way we began was like we could spend the whole 30 minutes just on the first part of the workshop which is welcome welcoming each other that we could be in that space there were so many things that we could have shared and needed to and just that alone that we got to see each other and look at each other and rush and not have enough time this messiness is our reality and the very embodied manifested love that we've all come to share together so I know that didn't like conceptually summarize that but it needed to be said yeah beautiful great so then we have one more share out from y'all is that true yeah I think for time reasons okay for people to respond right so it's me and Jack great so I think I would love to just say thank you all for participating in these conversations and really engaging with this work super grateful for every single person that is in the room and is at things say that again oh sure we're about to break out into some we're take a half an hour break to have some wine and some food and folks who are coming just for the stage readings are gonna join us as well and it might be a nice time to just take a breather I don't know about y'all but this turtleneck is making me hats but Lisa has some I for you know programs some evaluations to pass out if you have a second please fill one out this is definitely one of cal shakes civic dialogues and we're super grateful for their support and with that I just encourage y'all to keep the conversations going we have half an hour and we'll meet back here at six to see some art some really cool art by some trans playwrights of color and we'll leave it at that thanks so much cheers