 Hello everyone and welcome to our webinar hosted by the Center for Open Science. Today we'll be discussing the efforts to catalyze open science globally and our movement to provide translated help guides into users native languages all around the world. You'll be hearing from some passionate translators who will share why they put the time and effort into translating our onboarding resources. You'll also hear their stories about how open science is seen, used, and adopted in their communities. My name is Daniel Steger, I'm the Engagement Lead here at the Center for Open Science. And over the past year, we have been working with a group of researchers to help translate our help guides that support the understanding of the open science framework. Our help center, help.osf.io, which I will put into chat right now, that will link to our chat over houses over 200 help guides to help introduce the open science framework. The speakers you meet today have helped bring these help guides to researchers in their native languages that are not English. We will be speaking, they will speak to why they translate these help guides and share their stories and the impact that these help guides have had on the open science framework in general and the communities. As a reminder, this webinar will be recorded and shared with throughout our YouTube channel. We encourage you to answer and ask questions into the chat feature and discuss. Our team members will be monitoring the chat and encourage group discussions throughout the chat. Now, it kind of goes without saying everyone should be respectful and responding to others. The format of the webinar is as follows, each speaker will be given roughly seven minutes to talk about their experience and their stories. We'll have a COS representative speak about the Center for Open Science Global Priority Initiatives. We'll be hosting a question and answer at the end of the presentation. So again, please enter your questions into the Zoom chat feature and we'll pick some of the questions to close out the webinar. Additionally, if you're interested in volunteering as a translator, I'll be posting a form into the chat and you can sign up throughout the webinar. Now, this will be a little bit of fun as I'm still working out how to send a chat feature into the Zoom thing. But we want to start with a little bit of an activity, kind of see where everybody is showing up from. So our first question, where are you watching from? So you have two options to do this. You can scan the QR code or I will try and find a way to provide a link. Now you can scan the QR code with your phone, but it will basically give you a page that looks something like this, a map. Now on this map, up in the top right hand corner, you will see a little plus button. All we want you to do is type in what city you are watching this from from around the world and then click publish. That way, we can kind of get a little bit of a global ideals of here is all the different places that we are viewing this webinar from. Awesome. I'll let you guys continue on adding where you're from. But at this time, I'm actually going to pass the metaphorical mic over to our first translator. Felipe, he is one of our new translators who are helping out with the Portuguese translations. So I'm going to stop sharing and Felipe, you can start. Hi Daniel, thank you. I would try to share my screen here just a second. Can you see it like in the full screen? Yeah, that's great. So hi everyone. Good morning here in Brazil. My name is Felipe Villanova. I'm a professor at the Universidade Lassali in southern Brazil and I'm also a PhD candidate at the Catholic University here in the state of Rio Grande do Sul in southern Brazil as well. And I'm a psychologist. My PhD is on social psychology. So I work on social psychology and I will be talking about our experiences here with this translation initiative. And I also have to say that we got engaged in this initiative through the Society for the Improvement of Psychological Science. The SIPs, S-I-P-S here because I am the co-chair along with Annabel who will be speaking after me here. We are co-chairing the IDEA committee, which is a subcommittee within S-I-P-S. And IDEA stands for Inclusion, Diversity, Equity and Access. So we thought that we could increase the access to open science through some initiatives including this translation initiative, which Daniel was kind enough to move forward with this idea and this suggestion. So I will be talking about it a little bit here. Well, I would like to first acknowledge our translators. We counted with the help of a lot of translators and these translators here, they engaged very actively in the translation from the help guides to Chinese and to Portuguese as well. So I was not working alone on the Portuguese translation. I was working with my colleague Tiago Rafael Santin. And we had our three amazing translators to Chinese, which I won't try to say their names because I cannot speak Chinese. But well, I would like to acknowledge their work here and they did an amazing job and you can check out their translations in our website, in this website of the COS. Well, I will just briefly talk about my efforts and why I decided to engage in this initiative. It's basically because I talked a lot about open science and the benefits of open science with my colleagues. Here are some pictures of the members of the research groups that I have participated in some colleagues as well. And I always talked about open science and said, hey, this is cool. Look what we can do within the open science framework. You should definitely do that, especially because some journals, some international journals, they are willing to accept articles from the global south that are using these open science resources. So I often talked about it with a lot of people, but then everybody had the same challenge, which was basically getting started on the OSF homepage. They basically signed in, they got in, they made an account and then they created this project. But when they got into this screen, they were like, okay, what the hell should I do now? And then they didn't know what to do because first they were not familiar with pre-registration, with preprints, with uploading materials. They didn't know how to do that and the OSF help guides are all in English. And we have 200 million people here in Brazil and most of people here cannot speak English. And they were like, well, why should I engage in this initiative if even the help guides aren't helping me and aren't talking directly to me in my language? So people wouldn't try to learn English just to learn how to go through the OSF website. And we thought, well, you know, maybe if we had a help guide in Portuguese, people would be willing to use the open science framework more and benefit from the resources of open science that we have embedded in the website. So we got lost. This was the feeling, you know, lost in translation because people got there, they were like, okay, where should I go? And the platform, like the template is not the most friendly as possible. So we do need the help guides and then we thought, well, you know, it could be really useful to have a help guide in Portuguese. So this is basically why I got engaged on this problem, on this initiative and trying to do that. So the good news is that right now we do have the OSF help guides and I think that the main objective of this webinar here is to show you that they are available now and you can use it. We do have this in Portuguese, Spanish and Chinese right now. So we do have reasons to celebrate now. This is basically what I had to say, my brief short communication is just about it, but I'm looking forward to the questions and answers afterward. So this is basically what I had to say. Wonderful. Thank you, Felipe. That was a really great summary of kind of where we were getting started. I'm going to pass the screen over to Annabel, who is another one of our newer translators, who helped create a Getting Started guide for Espanol. Thanks, Daniel. Hi, everyone. My name is Annabel Velaos. I'm from Córdoba, Argentina. I'm a doctor in psychology, also working on social psychology and behavioral economics, mostly. And I'm a postdoc researcher here at the National University of Córdoba, also in Argentina. So I'm also a co-chair with Felipe in the Idea Committee of SIPs. I also work in the, I mean, collaborate in the Translation and Cultural Diversity Committee in the Psychological Science Accelerator. And I have collaborated also with some big science, big team efforts in research as a translator also or coordinator of translation. And I was thinking like, okay, I'm doing a lot of translations and I'm not a translator. I'm a psychology. But the thing is that I started with open science and I fell in love with it. I really like all the proposals and I tried to move forward movement here in Argentina. And I got some enthusiasm that people, like what Felipe was saying, people get like freeze. They try, they like the idea, but they do not get really started. And I believe it is a matter of access, of course, and language is very important on that matter. But I was thinking that, of course, we can use like, for example, Google Translator or any tool like that. And maybe people can get through the platform. But the thing is that it is not only about access, but also about feeling welcome, right? If people try to use the platform that they do not know with new practices and everything is another in another language is like, okay, we are not supposed to be here, right? This is not for us. So I believe that translating the materials, the help guide and everything helps in access because many people do not speak English and they should be able to use it. But also for people from another language is to feel like, okay, yeah, I'm supposed to be here. I can use this tool and collaborate and have a voice on it. So that's the main reason I am putting so much time on translation matters because I do believe that it will help people to join the movement and then we will be able to have another discussions, right? Like moving the discussion forward. So, yeah, here in Argentina, I don't have the word in English, but it doesn't matter. In Argentina, we have a law that states that every all research funded by national and public funds should share the roadmap, right? And the law is working since 2013. But the thing is that we do not have enough infrastructure for that. So researchers want to share the data and everything. And that is because we have the law and also because I don't know if you are familiar with the educational and academic system in Argentina, but it is mostly public and free. It's funded by the national government. So we have a very strong culture of giving back to society. So for us, it is very important to share. But the things that we do not have the infrastructure in Argentina is undergoing to the economical crisis right now and for some years now. So I do not believe that it will be that the infrastructure will be ready. So in that terms also having people using OSF and similar platforms will help us to be able to share, right? And science communicators, policy makers, everybody will be able to access. I haven't checked my time, so I'm not sure how am I going? Yeah, I think you're good. Thank you so much for your stories and your insight into why you were going about the translations. So this time I'm going to actually transition over to some of our original translators, especially in Espanol. We have had translations of our help guides before and Rafael and Nestor are in a really unique situation where they helped translate these help guides, but they got to see the effect of that translation on their research community. So I'm not going to say anymore, but I'll let them take over from here. Thanks, Daniel, and thanks for inviting us. Hola, everyone. Good morning, good afternoon, good night. It's nice to see that everyone is connected around the world. And that's kind of the point. We have been, as Daniel said, supporting the cause, COS, for a long time. Every project that we get involved in, that I get involved in in Colombia, I always tell them to start using OSF as soon as possible to reap the benefits as soon as possible. And like Daniel said, we have been able to even measure the effects of using OSF. So we'll tell you a little bit about that in the context of a project that we're working on right now, which is on cancer research and how we have used or why we have used OSF and why we have taken the time and the effort and the resources to do translations, not only of help guides, but also of specific scenarios. So it's important what Annabel was saying that people feel welcome. So it's not only in your language, but it's, I'm talking to you researcher from this project in this specific scenario. Nester, can you help me with the next slide? So briefly, this is what we do. It's translational cancer research. We start from the very beginning identifying plants that have potential treatment, mostly because they have traditionally been used by people for treating cancer, but they're not used systematically. We're not exactly sure why they work or not exactly sure in combination of which other plants or other drugs, what effects could happen. So that's what we start doing. We do cell and molecular research on the plants to characterize exactly what they're made of and what their properties are and what the potentials they have in different ways of treating cancer. If that works out, then we go into trials with animals. If that works out, then we go into network pharmacology, which is trying to figure out how well our compounds do against other compounds that have been published. This is where open data is critical to be able to share our results and compare them with other results. If that works out, then there's a promise to develop a new drug and we scale it up. We have to do it in a way that is a quality and standard. So it all has to be transparent. We need to keep traceability of all the data that we're generating. If that works out, then we go into clinical trials. Of course, after the pandemic, we're all experts on how that works. So that's what we do. And that takes a lot of data. It requires a lot of data, which is shared across a lot of places. And then if that works out, we go into final approval and market. So what that implies, Nestor, can you help me with the next one? Is that we need a lot of people to get that done. And these people are international universities. It's our university, Haberiana in Bogota, Colombia. It's other many other universities within Colombia. It's research centers. It's industry, the pharma industry, which will take care of the final steps. And it's also NGOs, which help us from the beginning of the chain, which is when we're working with the actual farmers agriculture to do this in a sustainable way, to do this in a way that is good for the environment and that can create alternative ways of generating resources from Colombia besides coal and petroleum. So that's what we do. And that implies that we have a diversity of locations, diversity of disciplines, diversity in data, diversity in language. And our idea is to use OSF to support this whole infrastructure. And our concern is how do we get people to adopt and accept the technology and then we're for sure coming from the same place as Felipe and Annabel. So now let Nestor tell a little bit more details of what we have actually done to translate the resources. Okay, can you see my screen? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. So hi everyone. I'm Nestor Roa. I'm an assistant professor at Haberian University. I'm a doctor in engineering focused on information systems. And I spend many of my time researching on how to improve collaboration and coordination for managing information and for sharing knowledge in large projects such as the one that Rafael just presented, the GATT project. And actually that's why I'm here speaking about OSF and why we considered it a powerful infrastructure to reach these goals of coordination and knowledge management. So as we are discussing in this webinar, the help guys and in particular the help guys in Spanish in our case are an essential tool enabling the use of OSF by the research community. So in the case of GATT, we manage several information such as data sets, experimental information, reports, papers, books, among other kind of products. And obviously this implies to pay particular attention to the way we organize the whole information to further retrieve it and analyze it. And so we need a full understanding of the platform. So in our research project, we have the main goal to produce like 300 research papers, some books, some trade secrets like formulas, procedures, designs, processes, but also another kind of product. So there are a bunch of information that we need to manage every day and actually every second. So because experimental information is sparking with each experiment in the laboratory. So our help guys have been crucial to facilitate the information managing process at technical and managerial level. So in OSF we have several components related with experimental trials, but also we have several components about financial information of each project, but also reports that each principal research must produce every two months and so on. In this sense, and as Rafael mentioned, this is a large project. We are like 125 researchers from 20 different institutions around the world. And most of our people speak Spanish and work in Spanish. That's for real. So that's why we record there. And I mean, we use help guys in Spanish as the most important tool to promote and to distribute information about OSF. So in that sense and with this challenge, so we recorded 16 videos in Spanish. In a real mode, you know, the short videos of three or four minutes at most explaining the different functions of the platform and we also translate the user manual in Spanish. So as you can see in this screen, we have a folder with videos about the general use of OSF, but also we have the manual in Spanish. So this is the main tool that we use to teach about OSF in our community. So our help guys have been crucial to facilitate the information managing process at technical and managerial level. And in this course of training our gut community, our research community in OSF, we realize that we also might consider three important factors when catalyzing open science in gut. So the first factor is that the videos about functionality of OSF are important to learn about the platform, but also is necessary and other resources in order to navigate our research project. So as I said before, we have plenty of projects, a bunch of components, several information in the platform. And obviously it really makes really increased complexity when we try to navigate in that ocean of information. And so we decided to guide our research colleagues through different access paths toward technical, administrative and general information of our project. And we also did this guidance on video. So we have videos about functionality of OSF and videos about how to navigate our research project in Spanish. The second factor is that in this way of using the help guys as a mediator, facilitator of their learning process about OSF, we also realize that in large projects like gut, like our research project, it is necessary to define a role such as an advisor or maybe a consultant, which would reinforce the appropriation of OSF by the research community. So the translated help guys plus advising is the formula that has worked in gut. And the last factor is that in our experience using OSF, we have defined a simple but an effective learning path. For example, when a new student or maybe a new researcher or a new consultant enrolled in gut, they first explore the videos in Spanish and then they meet with us with Rafael and I for more specific guidance. Sometimes the first step with videos is enough. So they learn how to use OSF just with videos and maybe just with the manual. But sometimes Rafael and I closely interact with the community in order to reinforce or make a specific training process in OSF. So we have a procedure which indicates that the translated help guys are valuable in establishing a baseline of knowledge about OSF and then being able to move it up. So that's all, Daniel, thank you for the opportunity. Thank you both so much. So our translated help guides are part of a global initiative, part of our priorities. So I'm actually going to pass it over to our Chief Product Officer, Niki, and she could talk a little bit more about some of COS's other initiatives. Yes, thanks, Daniel, very much. Sorry, I'm zoom buttons in the way, of course. Okay. Yeah, so just a couple of things. First off, a big thank you. One to all of the panelists, but all the attendees that are here live and those that will hopefully watch this recording in time. Just thank you for your continued advocacy of open science. I think we're a community that is brought together for that purpose and really appreciate your demonstration of the utility of OSF through your research and your usage. But even beyond that, it's your commitment to making open science something that you bring to others that you're collaborating with and really supporting their learning about sort of the principles, but then how you actually implement that into your workflows and leverage open of infrastructure and tools that are out there. I think that that is something that is just extremely valuable and beneficial, probably beyond what you even realize today, how that will carry on and pay dividends for those colleagues and their colleagues. Colleagues, you know, it just it'll continue to carry for us. That's something just just really appreciate about the things you're doing and you're in and it's time that you're taking outside of your day to day, which is, which is really amazing. And really the support that you've given to these translated guides and videos to really lower that barrier of entry, I think you are paying it forward in a way that you know you got in and figured it out. And now you don't want that same level of effort to have to be for the next researcher to come behind you or to work with you alongside you and I think that's just an amazing. Yeah, think that you're adding to society. And then I think being here today to kind of join and represent your your interests and your activities for this community to help advance open science globally I just really wanted to say thank you and how much we at COS appreciate that. But it's really about what research is global and COS and OSF are here to support open science efforts across across the globe. And, you know, we have the open infrastructure with OSF and it's free for researchers it's open source it's something that we hope to enable both, you know, users that want to come and take advantage of an account and uploading content and materials to share and collaborate but also the consumers that don't need an account to come and view your research the data that you're sharing that your teams are producing that are part of these advancements and cures and knowledge that you're, you're putting out there, you know, even those consumers are participating all across the globe and they can participate and it's all of this across the research lifecycle so even early stage collaboration and study planning protocols and all those things all the way to the very end where you've got your final data and your final report and analysis and your pre prints and your publications all those good things, but the whole process being open is is really what open science is all about and it's something that you're demonstrating and making available. So I just thank you and it's something that we hope to support, which we're actively engaging with diverse stakeholders and communities to help catalyze the open science movement. It's researchers like you that are demonstrating the value and the transparency that is really bringing that out there for others to interrogate and to, you know, really look at retrospectively to say is this something that I could start to do I could start to participate in so we have different regional policies and requirements and all of those things are changing over time but I think seeing it happening in real time is, is a benefit to you to all of all of the research ecosystem. And some of the things that we are actively trying to do with our partners is to have a more global reach and to engage partners across the world around infrastructure but also the advocacy and policy work so that is something that we're we're interested in speaking with you learning about those needs and goals and how we can help support that, but also the training and advocacy work that you're doing so within your community is something we also aim to support so sharing these out here in this webinar putting those links on our YouTube and embedding those translated resources here for others to discover, but anything in that place that we can help offer. Just let us know and I think more about where the OSF is going and some of the features and functionality that we hope to continue to improve and offer to support more global usage. So one is metadata that's that's critically important to the full sort of fairness and impact that research can have and so metadata about where data was was taken or the language that it's in any of the content that is something that we are. It's on our roadmap for the last half of this year and it's something we hope to be offering very very soon, as well as the changes we're making to the platform to move into a more modern updated framework for our front end, which includes the ability to translate all of our pages so we're about 75% done with moving those pages into the new framework and once we do that will be able to work with communities to translate those pages so the way that OSF and all of the, you know, buttons and everything are in English right now you'll be able to see those in all the all the languages that we can get translated versions for so that's really exciting and something that we're really close to we've been tracking this for a while and been actively working on this page by page. We just released a couple new page redesigns for files. So that just brought us a couple more pages closer so we have about 15 pages left which is only about 25% of the site left to go so that's exciting so hopefully a lot more to come and more engagement there to start translating all of OSF. And really just just wanted to kind of say, you know, how else could we help support the global needs for open research and that's something that I know Daniel is always ready to hear into to ask those questions and to hear from users and stakeholders across the world so please feel free to jump to drop any of those in the chat as well that's something we can, we can take, take in now and then if you provide some email will will be happy to follow up and even learn more about how we could advance in those areas. So that's kind of all I had Daniel turn it back to you. Yeah, and I think that's a fantastic way for us to start the Q&A session is kind of lead it off by, okay, we are translating some of our help guides, we're creating getting started guides. But if you have an opinion on that in the chat feel free to add this but I'm going to open that up to the panel. How else could we support users both getting started and establish users on the OSF in different languages. Felipe, why don't you start. I think that's through funding funding is a really important issue that normally isn't talked about, because there is like a lot of funding for research in the global north, especially in Europe and the US. But usually there are some barriers when trying to fund projects that are outside. And these are like a lot of barriers people say oh we don't have the infrastructure to that because it involves a lot of international law and this money, you know delivering money sending money to other countries there is a specific legislation regarding it. But anyways, I think that the lack of funding is something really important that really impairs these open science initiatives here, because we cannot always rely on volunteer work, especially because the workload is huge for everybody. And people are not willing to like collaborate voluntarily forever and then there I think it reaches a point where people say well you know I'm not getting anything for it like concrete benefits in my career or something like that so they just give up on trying. Even though of course we could have advantages in trying to publish and getting access to these international journals that are really aiming to expand the open science initiatives so we could consider this a benefit for the career of the person or whatever. But I think that the lack of funding for these initiatives it's a really important issue because you know we have at least I don't know anybody in the global south who received money to foster global science initiatives. It's usually the opposite we have to put our money out of our pockets to like expand this initiative so I would say that this is a really important barrier in this sense. Thank you. Does anyone else have a take on how else we can support both translations and your communities in general? Yeah so I fully agree with Philippe that certain things have to be done at the structural macro level in terms of funding or in terms of what Annabel mentioned in terms of regulation and forcing projects to use open platforms and publish their data transparently. If it's publicly funded that makes sense that that's the way to do it but at the same time of course it should have an infrastructure to support that provided publicly as well. But there's also little things that can be done because at the other end there are researchers that aren't fully aware or even motivated to move into the digital realm. Still there are these kinds of researchers around. For instance in our project there are several researchers and not all of them are the older researchers. It's a cultural issue which rely on notebooks for their lab work. And it's simply because it's more comfortable for them to use a notebook surrounded by machines and microscopes and tubes etc. To say I have my little notebook that's where I register my data. It's even a structured notebook so I have the date of my experiment all the fields are there. I simply take a few seconds and I write it down with my hand. So do you actually expect me to open up my laptop and log into OSF and upload a document to register my experiments? No thanks. I'll keep using my notebook. And for instance I said well what if you lose your notebook? Never. That has never happened. It will never happen. So it's simply a cultural barrier. I don't trust OSF more than I trust my notebook. What if my account gets hacked? And I don't really have a response for that because it could happen. But it's not better to have a notebook. So what we tried to do in this case is we tried to close the distance between the two. So we said okay you can keep using your notebook but here's this nice little notebook that allows us to then scan a QR code and this is automatically in sync with a digital notebook. And then you just say I'm gonna upload that into Google Drive or Dropbox or whatever you like and it automatically goes into OSF. So keep using your notebook. You just take one more second to take a picture and it will be automatically in sync. We haven't followed up on that but a lot of researchers were excited to do it this way. So it's another little thing that can be done. Fantastic. So I'm gonna switch it up just a little bit. I'm gonna take a user question and I'm gonna actually give this to Annabelle because I think we've actually had almost a direct conversation on this one. I had gone to Italy a few weeks ago but I don't speak Italian. So how I got by was I used tools like Google Translate where I would ask where is the bathroom, where is food, where is whatever. But I brought that back to the translation team and asked why can't we just use Google Translate for all of our translation needs? Why do we need translators? So kind of in your opinion why would I need a translator versus say some of these tools like Google Translate? Well on one hand I believe it is about what I was saying before. Like most people can use Google Translator. Fine. But why? It's like it takes time. You have to copy, print, then go back to the platform and it's annoying. And of course people can do it but it's not the same experience. And also of course Google Translator helps a lot but has also a lot of mistakes and sometimes it is not the correct translation. So having people translating the materials makes you read like somebody is talking to you. Somebody is explaining it to you with no errors hopefully. So I believe it's a big difference. Like Google Translator should be like the last resource. Like okay there's nothing else we can do right now. We can use Google Translator but I do believe it is just very important to have translations like friendly translations. Fantastic. Felipe did you also want to add to that? Just a small bit. I wasn't in Italy as well and then we can use like Google Translator. And then one thing is when the person says oh you should go to the right. But when they start speaking a lot of things there is no Google Translator that will work. Because when they start saying we can understand it. And it's a bit like the work that we are doing here because we are not able to understand everything. If we copy and paste everything in Google Translator a lot of weird things will come up. So we are like yeah it's impossible to rely on these translations all of the time. And you know Annabelle said something really interesting. One thing is like when you occasionally have to use Google Translator. People who speak English they will occasionally have to do this. But we who are not like native English speakers we have to do all of the time if we are using international resources. So it's a very different experience. Nobody likes to rely on Google Translator all of the time. So yeah I'll just make this a small addition. Awesome. Thank you so much. Okay so I'm going to actually send this over to our original translators. A user wrote in saying language is obviously a major barrier for adopting open science culture. Are there any other barriers that users from these geographic locations have experienced as far as getting adopted into open science? You talked a little bit about cultural stuff Raphael but is there anything else? Sure. We're experiencing one right now. As you saw our project is supposed to end in actual development of new drugs and secrets and patents. And this is all protected but we don't know when or if it will be protected. So several researchers are afraid to publish early data if they don't know whether it can or should be protected later on. So that's a major concern. Of course we can close it up. It's as simple as that and that's how we have done it. Simply we're using OSF and it's open for us but not for anyone else. And as soon as the project ends and as soon as we've made a decision whether this would be a secret or a patent then we will open it up. So it's as easy as that from a technical point of view. But from a cultural point of view the simple fact that I'm putting it in a platform openly regardless of whether it's protected through permissions that makes some researchers weary. Wonderful. I'll open that up to the rest of the group. Do you see any other barriers for adopting either the open science framework or open science in general within your communities? I think that the advantages are not clear. As we talked before I think that people specifically here in Brazil would benefit a lot because for example the Brazilian journals they have this very strict page limit of like 25 pages usually. And a lot of really often people want to disclose the instruments that they used in this manuscript. So you would have I don't know 25 pages is the limit you would have only 20 pages because five pages would be only to provide the instrument that they used. And when you use OSF we would have 25 pages because we could just upload it to OSF and provide the link in the paper in the manuscript. But people aren't they don't really know about it so I think it's like they don't have access to the information and I think that of course this is related to the language issue. But a lot of time this is like a lack of information though and when it when people don't talk about it they don't know that it exists. So the information isn't getting there you know it isn't reaching people out there so I would say that this is an issue as well. And just a small thing that we also have the same issues that people have in other places about adopting open science right like the recognitions from the societies or whoever is evaluating scientists here in Argentina is not valued to it doesn't matter if you pre-register or whatever it is not important if you participated in a big team science project like so it's the same discussion that other geographical areas have but with like the problem that because it is in another language we cannot even start the discussion so just that. Yeah Nestor or Raphael also. I have a couple of comments so when we start three years ago on analyzing how to introduce OSF in our research project. We make a little analysis regarding the age of the target population so we have we have a bunch of young people I could say I could say like 80% is young people is under 30s maybe and another percentage is older people. So actually that difference in age that was the reason the main reason we translate the users the user manual Spanish because many of people prefer to read a manual writing manual and use it like as a guidance. But young people you know prefer videos prefer short videos prefer simple stuff to learn about technology so that's why we consider as a strategy to divide the help guys in this in these two ways. And that's that's an important point we also finding in our project so there are many people that easily accept OSF and adopt OSF in a short time but there are other people that take more time to to use it. And again it depends on the the the edge it depends on trust about OSF but also trust about technology. And it depends on some misconceptions about open open science so what what we understand in in our project is that technology I mean OSF is important we can train people using OSF but as a first step we need to explain what is open science before explain the platform. That's I mean we consider that that is the correct the correct or the appropriate procedure to introduce OSF so that's all. Thank you. Yeah I just wanted to maybe present the other side of the question which is why have people actually accepted it not what barriers we have encountered it but why people actually get excited about OSF and it's very simple but powerful stuff. Obviously it's free. That helps a lot. It's fast. So literally get people you want to start using it. Let's take 30 seconds and you'll start using it. You can create a project from zero from scratch in 30 seconds. Oh that's it. So it's not as complicated. Once you start using it. They love that it's tech neutral. So even within projects people who have been working for years one of them uses Dropbox the other one uses Drive. This is that's that's the way it goes. You know we all have multiple accounts even so they love this fact that they can be easily integrated and they also like the fact that it's sustainable. So this is part of the issue about infrastructure. Sometimes projects actually get funding for infrastructure for data but as long as the project is going and then once the project ends the funding stops and then the server is turned off or there is no more money to pay the cloud storage etc. So this OSF somewhat guarantees that the project will live on for at least a few years and this is very important. That's actually a great pivot to kind of my last message. Does anyone else have anything that maybe you would say that take home message to users who are getting started on the OSF but maybe need a little bit of help. How would you go about talking to them and convincing them to use the OSF. Well I will refer to the help guides that are now translated so this is a good initiative. This is the first step. But then I think that related to what Rafael said we can also start implementing it in our with our students and people who participate in our research groups because I remember that the first time that I used OSF was because my former co-advisor I needed a data set and then he said well you know I can give you the data set if you pre-register your hypothesis. So that's I had to do it otherwise he wouldn't like send me the data set that I needed. So we can start using some strategies like that to make people use because once you have used it once once you have done it once then it's not as painful as the first time. So I think that we could also other than obviously referring to the help guides we could foster its use in our research labs or with our students because people would then you know incorporated into their daily lives and their research activities. So I would say that this is a good step. Awesome. We may have time for maybe one more take home message or one more. Argument that you would use to convince someone to use the OSF. Esther Annabelle if you're feeling good. Well in that case we are almost at the top of the hour. I'd like to echo Nikki's statement about thank you. One of the things that came up was recognition for our translators. That's something that we'll probably be talking about internally. These webinars that they can't say thank you enough. You're helping a lot of people. Yeah, one more statement. Yes. No, thank you right back. And this is important because we haven't mentioned it. We haven't been we haven't felt alone in this process. We have always been communicating with COS and you guys have always been very helpful. So if more people want to get involved, you know that you will have people that are behind you and beside you at all time. Absolutely. So if you are interested in being a translator, I've posted the form in the chat a few times, or you can reach out to me directly via email. I decided up a time to talk just you and me. In that case, be on the lookout we'll send a follow up email information from this webinar and be on the lookout for future COS webinars that are coming out. Thank you guys and enjoy the rest of your day.