 Unsere nächste Speakerin, die Christine Piecic, die tut was, die macht was, gegen rechts zum Beispiel, die sagt gleich was. So, our new speaker is doing something, but he is going to say something to us now. And she is a lawyer and works against the right side. She supports activists on the left side and is going to talk a bit more about what happened about the prohibition from links unten.unitymedia.org. So listen now and afterwards say something and do something. Thank you very much and a great round of applause for Christine and the same from us, from the translation cabin. Here are Franz Tee and Syri. Hello, I was just presented and I'm not going to repeat that. Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak here about the prohibition of links unten. First of all, lawyers like to talk in shortened version of words. I will try to say every word once and then I will shorten it later on. So if I say BMI, it's Ministerium of the Interior, the German Federal Ministerium of the Interior. And we also will try to translate every word once and then use the abbreviation. I'm here just as one of many lawyers. One colleague is called, as this whole is called, the whole is called Adams, it's Hall A. I want to give an technology disclaimer in advance. The talk is about the information we have till today. Facts may change, we may get more information. So if you want to listen it again, keep this in mind. And just say, hey, that's what they said in the talks, completely different. And furthermore, technology, I'm not technically optimal. That's something other people told me and I read. So please don't ask any technical questions and ask those questions from people who really know about technology. Links unten was a left liberal posting platform and it was prohibited. And something I wanted to say clearly, links unten was, because it doesn't exist anymore, a press media. And it was protected by the press media, by the basic law of press freedom. And that was defined by the Verfassungsgericht, by the most important court in Germany, that exists also on the Internet. And that this is the case and that everybody here should be worried about the state of law. And that you should be worried about this. This is what this talk is about. There's a difference between a Verein and a Vereinigung. Vereinigung is a loose collection of people. Vereine are something that is founded and has a format. And it's written into a register. This is a known act that is perpetrated on purpose. The same happened at the CCC, where this administrative act happened in 1969, because something happened that might have changed the activities of many here significantly. The second criminal act to many important IT hacking attacks were made offence there. At this point the German legal code was ahead of its time. And they had to decide now whether they wanted to become, according to Hunter 29 of the German law, to continue to either be a criminal group or to become a Verein. And the CCC decided the letter. Not every organization or every Verein has this option to become a Verein, because there are a few ways to go against a Vereinigung. If there are more than two people who want to do the same thing, that can also happen without an expressed discussion, what they are going to do, just to work together. In that situation, the Verein's Gesetz can be used for those unincorporated organizations. With these rules, the Verein was disbanded, because it was trying to work against the laws. And by that the Verein was disbanded. This was the first disbursement of a Verein that was not incorporated, that happened so far. In this talk, we are going to talk about three points, which parts of government were used, which methods were used, what was links unten, what is in the media, what is the content, what is the publicum. And finally, was it the first time that somebody did something against left press and what is being done today. This is a BMW. Ah, ihr kennt das Video. You know the video. Warum dieses Bild? Why this image? This image could be a Mercedes as well, or a Porsche. This image is a symbol for the situation we had in the summer of 2017. There is emotion and there has to be an emotion if people look at this in one or the other direction. In the summer of 2017, the situation was very important. If you think about putting the seizure of the media links unten into context, there was militant protests. The police couldn't keep up with it, with the G20 summit in Hamburg. The police controlled people who lived there weeks before, searched for everything. People were controlled a lot, but the same people who lived there could not be defended in a way that was made them feel safe. And there was massive violence by police. I was with a prisoners collection and there were almost nobody who wasn't like hurt or had like broken bones. And there is election time at the end of September. The CDU, the conservatists are afraid of the AfD, the right-wing populists, who are talking about their own core topic of inner security. And the BMI, the Ministry of the Interior, Yes, he is links unten, which gets done by LKR Baden-Württemberg at 25 August by the police. And at the same day, links unten, goes offline. With a press conference, when the Minister of the Interior talked about it, he said, there were problems to shut down the homepage. Which authorities were involved with the ban? Sorry, I have to drink a bit. Firstly, the Ministry of the Interior. Of course, it's banning the fine. It's a repression that's in administrative legislation. But there can be searches and stuff. But it doesn't really fit into the really dry administrative law. If you look at the ban, you see that the Ministry of the Interior saw the problem that links unten was a press medium. But one and a half pages are enough for them to just say, well, links unten is so bad, they can't really be included in the freedom of press. But more important, it would have been to use the telemedia law. Some poster may have been criminal or something and take these down. And they didn't took this way. No Minister of the Interior will stay in front of a camera and say, hello, we deleted 300 posts on links unten. Now celebrate us. And have some police searches and stuff is much more efficient. And we are putting this for the Constitutional Court and everyone has to do it for themselves. Why before the Constitutional Court? Because of the federal authority has done this. And it's a bit boring if lawyers are saying this. But please calculate that every one of these five cases will cost 750 Euro just to bring it before the Court times five. So we now have to pay 3700 Euro. The postage gets claimed. We know this since recently because we only were informed after the fact. But we kind of thought about it with every respect for the Postal Service. I don't think that a letter from my client to me wouldn't need two weeks to deliver. We are also putting in cases in front of the Administrative Court. It's not the Constitutional Court, sorry. Oh, this is costing money as well. E-Mails got seized, meaning the provider gets asked with like a notice by the Court and we don't get told about it and other contents of the mail box and everything that's attached to them gets directed to the authorities. We know from big providers that got this notice. They could have put a case against it. None of those did. And we are putting down cases in front of several Administrative Courts and this will cost 350 Euro for every case. We are still calculating, we are at over 20.000 Euro, just court costs. The Landeskriminalamt Baden-Württemberg, Police Baden-Württemberg, did searches. The way they did these, we are again having cases. It's very costly again. The money of ... They are also seizing money of the event of the Feine at different groups and each has to be sued against. They collect assumed money owned by the Feine. That's really an event that happens to the people. We take notebooks, photos, laptops, mobile phones, servers, everything. We have 80.000 Euro of material seized by the persons. We also sue against this and it again costs 350 Euro per case. What does the local police do? It takes more data. We do not assume that the completely encrypted IT technology is broken in any ways but that might change at some point in the future. We do not assume so, but who knows. Furthermore, they look at the post and the email. Every email is read, every letter is read, everything is read. The breaking into the interior sphere of all the people is astonishing. Another police department surveilled links unten. What does that mean for an internal secret service? They read everything and printed it. They also collected information about those persons. We know that because we try to get the information and we are also suing to get the remainder of the information. Furthermore, G10 information are collected. In Germany, phones, post-surveillance, Internet-Surveillance ist all among these G10 rules. There were observations, so proper spying. All of that, they decided that it was selected. They say that according to secret service information it is apparent that they can also say we think, we want to say but in the end they say we know that we will prohibit links unten whoever also misses the Federal internal secret service they take the information from the local they make their own survey and so they read and print it and they have someone internal and who is a spy in the person, in the group of person. So a person that responds to questions about links unten and we know that because we can read footnotes. That's something they all go into a report but they also take the sticker and the photos and the newspapers and the notebooks and we'll present that to the Ministerium of the Interior to talk about what they really want to say about links unten. If you want to read something from a leaflet or from stickers, that's going to be quite interesting. They work close together with the Lanz-Küminal and the local police because they will try to look at the technical proofs. If they can't find it they will probably ask the Federal police to try to decrypt it. That's what happens. Usually the Federal police will say well, come again in 10 years. There are quite a few different methods of oppression and they are used against links unten but there's one that worked with links unten. Number one, one of the persons was 2005 on the CCC Congress in Berlin and used the SIM card in an event that was able to read the information. Here you can see a Wireshark screenshot. She makes it clear that she does not really understand it but that's something she read about. So thank you very much for those people who tries to explain this to me and then look at my expressionless face. So here we can see this Wireshark screenshot and here there are SMSes that were sent to this information and the silent SMS are used by the police to locate this person. So 2011, 6 years ago this person was interesting for some security agency. Furthermore, KTS, that is a left house that was open for left political organizations. And a video camera was installed or seen in a 300 meters, a video camera was seen in a house that was 300 meters away and this photo was taken with a telephotographic camera and a long-term operation and assumed a listening device. Two people talked about long travel to the sun. In reality it was a travel to a café in France but on the way back they noticed an opened interior part of part of the car and we assumed that there was the installation or the attempted installation or the removal of a tracker inside the car because it was not apparently broken in and there is no data missing. An interesting information, the BKR works like Antifa which is a left-wing organization and they called a boss somewhere and called him, hey, you Nazi, here's the Antifa, we are out here today and we have sent you the outing as a private message. What happens? Shortly after GSG 9 invents Radius Tiazza with an open car where he sat in front of a computer that was unlocked at the time and unencrypted. At the same time, links unten, as far as we know, Tiazza was assumed to have criminal, was created a criminal activity. There are few cases against with this law but because there are really, but it's really interesting for the police to use these because it's a long time and they can do a lot about these laws. They looked at clearly at the computer. In the first tab the personal information of the BKA was opened. The second tab is uninteresting. The third tab is an article in links unten which screenshot posted by Grinserkatze where an internal information from the internal network of the Nazi Forum über Schutzmaßnahmen für das Forum Gedanken machen. Things about protection measures from the Forum. Well, great idea. What do we know about this? Because links unten published it in 2014. They looked at this repression method and published about it. Links unten, press medium is already, by now is missed already. This method shows participants of a Klima camp and on this transparent says here it says our opinion. So, let's look at the history of links unten and we'll see why it's a press organization. The history of India media not of links unten but India begins 1999 with news of the protests on the BTO conference in Seattle. The photo shows the police against it for the first time. Open posting thought was used to write news from first hand news in first position. Nowadays we have Twitter and Periscope in this time we hadn't. This was eight years after the World Wide Web. This was pretty new. Not everyone had this technical possibility to share things online who also want to say something. And the independent media center Seattle was a revolution because everyone could look at this. India media is doing yourself network that always through with police violence with the contents and against the activists. The photo shows Brad Will of EMC New York who got killed by police when casting about the protests in Mexico. The basic principles all the EMCs are different politically and technically in 2008 India media is already ten years old there's not much dynamics and a lot of different opinions. If you read about it you can see that. And the short renaissance by the G8 summit in Heiligenhafen didn't stop that. Their new media blocks are established and all the open posting thought is shared by those as well. 2009 when mobilizing for the NATO GIF against NATO GIF in Strasbourg links unten goes online after one year of discussion of thoughts we have they are not internal these are all self published thoughts of links unten you could if it still existed read and they posted them themselves and made their doings transparent. Other EMCs don't but they gave themselves an acoustic program basic problem but they say they are not like dogmatic in one streaming to still to do it yourself principle from the techniques till the left wing radical hosting everything was put to anonymity and links unten is writing we don't really want to know terror attack threats and the ministry of the interior is saying this is like a clear indication of wrong doings but was what could you read at links unten if you think if you read this you just think there was hatred against the police in the state and manuals for building bombs but when do you ask a landesregierung a state government in 2017 the government says that this home page would give the user including the violent left the possibility to mobilize and share news about it and that's after the ban so that's not the same as what the police said so what we have here this report from 2015 like the funeral of a Hamerskin, a neo nazi who are in the right wing rock scene active and is outing as a fee person, as a spy of the mobilizations against the militancy like people writing about what things they attacked like the train station 2011 so yeah these happened but other news media also share these theory and discussion 2017 a lot of discussion with the G20 summit and leaks 2011 the internal archive of the Deutsche Borschschaft student organization press organization we ask who is the audience it's an online press so most people will just look at it we could say that most of the people going there would be the leftists and posts from links unten are pretty clear about it, 2016 we can quote it in media links unten became the most important left wing radical website in Germany they are visited by thousands of left wing people und here again in 2010 the most primary messages isn't what this was it was of course that all other press press organizations become reader of links unten for example several large German newspapers talk about what they published the MDR about the league of the the chance of the right wing party that should teach everybody what the AFD is thinking about this right wing new right wing party in Germany and more large European large German posts talk about that and the third but not completely unimportant group who consumes links unten are the police and the authorities and we can ask ourselves a few questions who is missing links unten the most which the German police the leader said we hope that they will ask for a lot of money we used to surveil people to find out all the information we used to get links unten not in the media from the internet at really low costs so who misses links unten the most in Sachsen but there is quite a few organizations and reports of their Bremen did not scan their appropriately and who can't lie that strongly anymore this in ministry of Saxonien who told the press some information about who was responsible for an attempted attack but later on it turned out that he wasn't during they still mentioned that but it should be corrected now links unten is not the first repression against left media this part of this really interesting history is I will have to cut this short because of the time because we want to have some time for questions and answers at the end the radical was links radical newspaper till 2002 with different redaction discussed many different parts which was basically links unten but printed the story of the radical is always a story of repression the first case is that the police works against the press freedom a lot of police surveillance actions and researches and then they are surveilled for two years in the 90s they are searched in the Netherlands and what nobody dared to do back then because everybody had something to do was to prohibit this newspaper the authors of the radical was never called a fine and was never prohibited or never banned but they were still oppressed so let's come to nowadays where the people who are banned are taken away what that means today everybody can assume money was taken by the police furthermore the knowledge about nearly all encompassing surveillance that reduces the personal freedom because you have to think about whether a letter arrives or whether you can just talk about the telephone with your mom about family in Turner because it's going to be listened to and every person has to to get this freedom back in front of the courts and that's not only costing a lot of nerves and power but also a lot of money I just told you roughly about the court costs to all the costs that are also associated with that so far we do not know any criminal case but the repression against the radical show that it is possible that a criminal case might come forward that is not only bad for the persons but also very expensive one thing I really want to say is that the prohibition of Lincoln is a president those who run a platform that is clearly oppressed organization is defined as a Verein der Verfassungsschutz der internal secret service und dann die worst method ist schon, obwohl sie eine besser, weniger harsh method sind das kann nur gemacht werden weil es politische Entscheidungen ist ich arbeite gegen ein Victim für ein Mord bei Menschen die ein Mord an Facebook und Facebook war nicht betrachtet für diese Information wenn das Ministerium in Deutschland veranstalten kann es ist sehr flexibel und die Hürtels sind sehr klein ich persönlich glaube, dass die Freepresse für einen öffentlichen und diskussenden Gesellschaften müssen die politischen Magazine schauen aber trotzdem, jede Person hier in diesem Raum soll die Hürtelsen schauen aber auch solidarisch sein mit den wenigen, die es passiert wo viele mehr Menschen sind das ist warum wir schauen in die Zukunft im Moment ist die Repression aber links unten ist ein Symbol für viele Menschen hier und das ist warum harte Zeit die independenten Medien und die Radikale nicht mehr da ist und wir sehen was die Zukunft wird zeigen aber die Menschen, die die finanziellen Menschen helfen können das so tun vielen Dank danke, Christine sehr interessant wir haben fünf Minuten für Q&A bitte die Mikrofonen starten bitte vielen Dank eine Art, die Sie schon antworten mit der Accountnummer wissen Sie wie viel Geld alles das ist? 20.000 für die Karten 60.000 für die Lawyers plus wie viel? 80.000 Geld und Materialdämonen sie müssen ihre ganze Zeit alle wissen wir arbeiten nicht ohne eine PC eine Studie oder so wir haben nicht die Überraschung jetzt mit Lawyers und alles das 60.000 aufwärts das ist ein sehr guter upper middle class Auto das ist da wir haben noch ein paar Fragen die Mikrofonen Hi es ist wirklich interessant dass Sie das Ministerium sagt es ist ein Verein es wäre interessant zu schauen was macht ein Verein ob es ein Verein ist das kann prohibiert werden und die Konkrudente sieht mehr aus wie ein GBR ob es andere Konstruktion gibt dass es ein Verein ist wir helfen das Ministerium ich war unerstaunlich wir haben nicht das Gefühl dass es ein Verein ist ich wollte dir sagen wie das Ministerium gesagt hat zu schauen wie hoch die Börden sind zu sagen wir sind 3 Leute oder ein Verein und wir können jetzt und hat gesagt, dass das Freitag der Presse ist und wir können das nicht tun. Aber was ich persönlich nicht gesehen habe, war die Presse. Und ich meine, jeder, der in der Presse arbeitet, Journalisten, Editors, Leute, die es verkaufen, sind alle gefährlich. Oder ein Website, das mirroht oder so. Sie sagen nicht, dass das ein großes Beispiel ist. Wir können es verkaufen. Wir können sagen, dass das Mainstream, das Freitag der Presse, und ich hoffe, dass die Presse das mehr kritisch schauen würde. Sie reden auch über uns, weil was das Kind der Presse ist, nicht wie ein Liter oder eine Terrorist-Organisation, wenn sie es in die Mailbox bekommen. Und das ist nicht die gleiche Mailbox. Ist das nur, weil es ein Editor ist, dass es weniger macht? Es braucht auch auch ein Parteimensionen. Und das hat er auch gesagt, dass sie uns auch checken. Mikrofon Nummer 4, bitte. Ich habe eine andere Frage. Sie waren checkt, als Vereine, aber die Individuen müssen jetzt noch sehnen. Warum können wir Sie aufheben, wenn wir Vereine arbeiten? Wir sagen, dass es keine Vereine gibt. Die Menschen müssen sich selbst sehen. Vereine sind noch Teil des Vereinsrechtes. Es gibt keine Leadership der unenkooperative Vereine. Sie sind bei Person bei 5 Uhr am Morgen und nehmen alles an. In dieser Situation hat die individuelle Person gegen das zu kämpfen. Die individuellen Personen sind hier zu kämpfen, wenn es nicht eine solidarische Verbindung ist. Ja, eine Frage. Wie geht es um Hilfe mit den Kosten? Es gibt Hilfe für die Menschen, die sich die Kosten stellen können. Sie kommen aus Österreich? Ja, ich weiß das. Ich habe mich in Österreich gefühlt. Für die Fans ist es nicht so hoch wie wir sie haben. In Deutschland muss man nicht viel Geld haben. Es gibt nichts unentkannter. Es gibt keine Fahrzeuge. Man muss optimistisch sein. Der Herrscher sagt, dass es optimistisch sein kann. Es ist viel leichter mit dir. Die Leute sind viel leichter. Das ist die Frage. Ich wollte sagen, dass die Geschichte sogar früher beginnt. Wer hat gesagt, dass sie in Hamburg zu treffen haben? Das war das Ergebnis, das es alle überführt. Und ohne diese Entscheidung ist das nicht passiert. Was ist die Frage? Was sagt der Herrscher? Ich weiß nicht, wie sie es treffen. Sie kann auch schieben. Sie kann auch schieben. Sie kann auch schieben. Sie kann auch schieben. Sie kann auch schieben. Sie kann auch schieben. Sie kann auch schieben. Sie kann auch schieben. Sie kann auch schieben. Er wird reachige Castle – als die Autorität zu der Administrative Court, wo der Provider sitzt und sagt, dass es eine Bande der Vereine ist. Und wir schauen an die Gründe. Das ist warum wir diese E-Mail-Adressen wollen und die Provider, die diese Noten bekommen, alle Informationen, die noch da sind, plus all die Mails, die innen und innen sind, mit jedem Addendum zu der E-Mail. Die Menschen, die nicht gegen das Defend hatten, waren eine und eine. Einzelneinz, ein großer Provider. Ich verstehe es genau, dass all die Law-Kasen nicht zu diesem Präsident-Kasen in eine Direktion gehen, wo die Leute später sagen, hey, wir können nicht diese Taktik, die Deklaration für Vereine, etwas, was wir nicht mehr tun. Ist das nur für die Individuals? Oder, um die Leute zurück zu den Individuals? Oder... nicht ledigend? Ich glaube, also... All right. Die Deklaration, du bist Vereine und wir ignorieren die anderen Laws und just destroy you. Of course, the persons who were prohibited, they fight against that, against the organizational court, where they discuss what is more important, that is what is discussed here, or the high order of the freedom of the press. Is it reasonable what you did there? And that's something the case here in Leipzig is. And we are suing against that. And we try to ensure that the same does not happen again with other Laws and with other platforms. But like five people fight for a lot of people, who could do the same thing happen to you. And the question from the Signal Angel, the question is how many cases in this area have been opened as of now? Oh, oh, like, yeah, I don't really know, they're still getting at it more people because we still get notices, but we are at, let's say, like 40 cases. Ja, ja, also ich will das noch mal betonen. Tschuldigung, ich will just want to say, that's not just me, right? How many Lawyers are there? Five, okay. Wir machen mit Mikrofon zwei, bitte. Um. Another thing I want to add is that I have the. It appears that something is done that has been attempted to be done against left alternative structures, whether the government finds an unhörigen hierarchical structure. But there are no leaders, but there's no incorporated structure. But there are a lot of people who you can't work against a few hundred people who published something on Indymedia. But so only those who run the Indymedia or a different example after the G20 protests in Hamburg, where a person was suit for bodily harm, but there's no proof that they did anything of that. They were only part of this demonstration out of which these deeds have happened. I understand you're angry, but where's the question? Ist es okay für dich? Ja klar, ich glaube, dass. Okay, so another answer. What you describe is the run back situation in Hamburg, where a demonstration with the police decided they were attacked with stones. Und auf dem Video gibt es ein paar Stöne und Firecrackers, die die Polizei nicht nahe kommen. Viele Leute waren verhörd oder nach der Suche. Ja, ich möchte sagen, das ist etwas, was du auch gesagt hattest. Die Attacks kommen closer. Die Menschen attacken mit viel mehr Kraft und mit größeren Nummern und mehr massiv gegen leichte Demonstrationen und auf die leften Medien. Und das ist etwas, das ist ein politischer Klima, das sich betrifft. Und wir haben auch die righte Seite in der Gesellschaft. Vielleicht ist es nur ein Vogel. Das bedeutet nicht, dass wir es nur aufhören. Also, einfach etwas, um die Konferenz zu machen. Hallo, vielen Dank für die Gespräche und die Engagement. Vielen Dank, dass meine Frage vor mir die Frage von Anonymität der Post und diese fünf Defenden verbunden ist. Wie kann diese fünf für alle Anonymusposten auf diesem Website beantworten? Und auf der anderen Seite war die Anonymität der Publikation ein Problem, das diese beklagte wie ein nicht gegen individuelles Thema. Also, ich würde deine Frage ganz klar beantworten. Ich würde deine Frage ganz klar beantworten. Die Frage ist, ja. Ja, die Publikation wollte, die Anonymität der Post zu beantworten. Sie konnten nicht so, wie sie nach den Publikationen ging. Weil sie die Anonymität wussten. Und sie wussten nicht, wie es weiter geht. Es ist nicht nur ein antagonistisches Attack. Wir sind noch vor dem administrativen Court, nicht dem kriminellen Court, hoffentlich. Und wir denken, dass diese Anonymität nicht nur falsch ist, weil sie eine falsche Law benutzen, um nach uns zu gehen. Aber auch, dass man nach jemandem gehen will, weil wir Suspicionen sind, und wir haben nichts mehr. Und wir haben eine Anonymität, weil wir das haben, weil wir die Opinien der interiellen Secret Service haben. Wir haben nichts mehr, was der Judges sagt, wir können nicht sagen. Aber wir können einfach sagen, dass der abstrakte Demokratische Preis wir alle haben, wenn das passiert, ist es hoch. Danke. Wir nehmen noch mal die Nummer 4 und haben noch Platz für zwei weitere. Ich habe die Frage auf der linken Seite. Ich brauche eine Donation und eine Probe. Wo kann ich es bekommen, um die Texte zurückzubekommen? Ist es eine Art und Weise, um es zu bekommen? Der Account ist von Rote Hilfe, eine Organisation, die legalen Herausforderungen für die und man kann es bekommen. Eine Bahnsteigkarte, okay. Nummer 1, bitte. Nummer 1, bitte. Hallo. Du hast es sehr gut erklärt, warum du gegen diese Sache againstst. Wenn ich in der Situation war, würde ich gegen sie kämpfen, weil sie mir gesagt haben, sag mir, das ist eigentlich meine Sache. Bist du in dieser Richtung? Es wäre eine technische Frage. Wenn ich das gemacht habe, würde ich vielleicht denken, das könnte mir passieren. Ich würde so arbeiten. Ich denke, ich habe die erste Frage geantwortet. Wir denken nicht, das sollte auf diesen kleinen Suspitionen passieren. Die zweite Frage ist, sorry, ich kann dir das nicht sagen. Ich bin nur der Lawyer. Okay, wir machen noch die Nummer 5. Ich glaube, den habe ich übersehen. Auch von mir, vielen Dank für den Vortrag. Und ich würde gerne wissen, ob es noch andere Mittel gibt. Ich möchte wissen, ob es andere Werte gibt, um diese zu helfen. Um eine kritische Gesellschaft zu schaffen, wo sie den Gefühl bekommen, dass sie nicht alleine sind, und wenn das eine Werte von eurem Fenster gibt, kann das viel helfen. Noch mal ein Riesenapplaus. Ein tolles Rundfunk für den Spiegel. Wir sagen auch gut bye von der Translation booth. Wir waren Franz Tee. Sie reden sagen.