 Thanks for staying with us now the existence of NGOs is providing is proving rather to be a necessity rather than a luxury in Societies throughout the modern world NGO activities include But they are not limited to environmental social advocacy and human right work They can work to promote social or political change on a broad scale or very Local level NGOs play a critical role in developing society improving communities and promoting citizen participation NGOs contribute to curative health services service delivery by providing human and financial resource resources materials and equipment sharing information developing joint projects with the government and Developing national health policies as well as creating joint committees with the government in what ways do you think? We can start leverage right reputable NGOs in Nigeria towards building our nation now That's a question. Please. Let's hear what you have to say remember You can join the conversation send us an SMS or what's up to the rate one eight zero three four six six three You can also do that as a way show after one of the hashtag way show so I'll hear your thoughts in two minutes Then I'll bring in our guests. What do you think because? So many NGOs I know project a lot. I know what's this one Mirable Center? I know a lot of NGOs that are doing great work, you know promoting different things, right? Some are for Girls that are suffering abuse some are for women suffering domestic violence You know the guests we have today He's focused on around the health care sector and the educational sector who talk more on that when he comes back But hey, what do you think because now we're also at the time where elections are drawing there And I know there are some NGOs that have started doing a lot of advocacy for PVC's and all of that, but let me hear your thoughts quickly Mary and Gloria then I come to you Mary Some angels go to areas where it's even most of these local areas and all of that so Encouraging them especially now if you notice the problem now is which I would say is In our sport as they are reputable NGOs there are some angels so I watched the video the last time of the guy who I don't know I don't know if it's an NGO or who sends kids out to beg for alms I think there's also non reputable NGOs So when if we're able to differentiate the reputable and reputable ones and able to support them in However way we can I think goes along with beat financial and all of that. Well, yeah, but yeah Let me hear Mary's thoughts We've Let me see Lagos There's been a lot of NGOs and they've been doing great work, although I still feel like there's a gap Absolutely, sorry that coffee rejected So let me just bring in our guest now with a deep-seated love for humanity mr. Nihu Quajafa has been a natural giver since early childhood after a brief stint of work in his father's security consulting company Quajafa security and investigation services who have registered his NGO the global initiative for peace love and care and Has since used this Humanitarian platform to implement various charity projects for and on behalf of vulnerable women and children in Nigeria and other parts of the world And he's joined us live from somewhere in the north. I'm not sure where now. Hi Nuhu. Thank you so much for joining us Can you hear us? So where you joining us from tonight We can hear you now. Where are you joining us? Abuja. Okay. Thank you for joining us. All right, so Nuhu Yeah, I mean we this conversation actually started when we celebrated world heart day Last week and we're talking about I mean the Kano Heart Foundation how you know, I didn't know anything about hearts holes in the heart until Kano one cause Was it called his his life story was brought out in the open and all of that and since then he's been doing a lot of work in That space and you of course your name popped up and you know And that's why we reached out to you to have this conversation and the reason we try to broaden it beyond just heart Issues, there are so many things that require that we start to be deliberate about If we truly must solve certain problems that we have in Nigeria There's a problem of hunger. There's a problem of poverty. There's a problem of poor education and all of that And I believe that NGOs right reputable NGOs can actually make much more impact than government Organizations, right? But if you were to look at, you know, the situation current situation in Nigeria How do you think, you know, because you play in that space? How do you think NGOs can truly come in and make real impact? Okay And Where sincerity is 10% then in sincerity is 90% So the reason why you found out a lot of NGOs today in Nigeria, there are so many reputable NGOs But they say there's so much headache for them to follow ahead because of the skepticism of donors Because of what happened in the past before where NGOs and basic funds meant for less privilege You know, 80% of Nigeria's when they think about opening an NGO, all they think about it They're opening it because of foreign donation, foreign donor, from foreign NGOs And Even the foreign donors, it became an issue where they don't really want to support NGOs in Africa Because of the insincerity that they have to go through government, through the Nigerian government or through the African government And even sometimes the government agency that they send money to are not really too sincere in those projects that money was sent for. So you see, he had the good and he had the up and down of it But you see, for me, the way I look at it is You see, government have a lot to play. In different from the way we look at it NGOs are supposed to be non-governmental and non-faith based on the right But you see, they need to partner with government. They're reputable ones to make it work at work Because you see, partner in government is immoral for creating forum to enforce things like patricism You see patricism is so important That because you can't say you love your country, but actually love to your fellow Nigeria So patricism, dedication, hard work, commitment, it is not easy to sort of an NGO I remember about 16 years ago when I started serving as an NGO in the year 2006 I worked for five years, no ownership of no I sold my car, I sold my watch, I sold my clothes, I sold my lunch, everything I was practically naked when I wanted it to work I wasn't looking for, girl, I wanted to be compensated, I wasn't looking for, oh, I don't know That was what I felt at that moment, that life is no life without showing enough of our lives That is it, basic If you are life today, you think you have it all, life is boring, life is, I mean, you're lonely No matter how much you have, how many houses can you live in? How many cars can you drive? It makes no sense, it makes no difference So my belief and the music wire that have been my driving force Smiles on the faces of our beneficiary I don't want to talk about that for a bit last night, it's so surprising that you've been on for 16 years You've raised about five million girls, two and all over Nigeria, you've gone to South Sudan You've been hosted by the President of South Sudan, you've been hosted for everywhere Even in the U.S., Martin Luther King Foundation, obviously you will have one You're not on the National Honours Day, I think, listen, for me, award is not really important for me What is important for me is a success story What is award? You're the player I'm happy you jumped the gun Go ahead, no, so I'm happy that you jumped the gun when you brought up the issue Of fraudulent activities that go on within the Nigerian I mean within the NGO space, especially here in Nigeria, right? It's something that even I have also suffered because I have an NGO and people are actually, you know, apprehensive when it comes to donating Because you see abroad, for instance, I mean, was it who gave what? Now, was it Warren Buffett or Bill Gates that gave Warren Buffett? Somebody gave somebody 90% of their income, right? Saying that because they trust that you are doing something good I want to give you 90% of this money so that you can use it to impact lives globally Right? Globally over the world We can't have those kinds of reputable institutions here A lot of things that are happening, a lot of education funds What's it called? Scholarships that have been awarded globally So many people are leveraging on NGOs, right? In building communities, building estates, building so many things, right? But we are not able to replicate that in Nigeria And I like the fact that you have actually brought it, you know, real home truth That we are the cause of this problem because a lot of us see NGO work As an opportunity to just collect free money But let me come to Gloria, I think she has a question Okay, Mr. So I had the opportunity to go through some of the work you've done And I would say it's quite commendable I see one of the things I notice is the level of accountability So I say you say, okay, this day, this is what you're giving to this There's transparency So my question is, do you think NGOs, the existing NGOs in Nigeria Are accountable enough or should be held accountable For the funds received from the public or the government Or whosoever is donating to them? As an accountant Go ahead And I like it For me, it seems this is not your money You are accountable to the people It is not your funds You know, I'll give you an example Like a couple of weeks ago, the reason why it's so funny in Nigeria Today I'll give you an example now, okay My name is Nuhu Pajafa I would say I want to contest for Belgnor Barino State This is my state I know I'm not going to win I know I'm not still young in this game But outside of the campaign team I want to raise $1,500 million At the end of the day, money will be raised by friends For well-wishers and the rest At the end of the day, maybe $1,500 million was raised I spent only $10-15 million there for the primary and I lost And at the end of the day, the balance of $75 million I'll start buying G1, I'm going to arrange G1, it belongs to me No accountability When in America today, if today You're pretending for an office as a president And you raise $50 million for your campaign And at the end of the day, you won or you lost And $10 million was spent on $20 million The remaining balance doesn't belong to you It is not your money Damn it, Nanduro, it is Nanduro, today everybody The moment you're going to raise $4 million for a sick child At the end of the day, you raise $8 million or $10 million The remaining balance because your family business Yeah, you're on the base of it But it's not really done that way You need to put, you see You see, the major cut is like You go into your casino You gambling You see, no matter what No matter what, your donors are the ones Keep you going alive Without your donors, you can never be alive No matter how good you are No matter your success stories Without you having good donors You're all going to pay the price You see, accountability That's what I tell you today If I have 1,000 people that can give me A thousand error every month That a million error is okay Using the power of holding I don't need to have And I don't know what I'm doing No, they cannot be consistent Like you give me a thousand error every month You can go consistent And the only way I can make you To be consistent in what you're doing I need to be showing you reports Before and after Before and after Which we've raised about $5 million here Remaining $3 million Which is good What we're going to do We're going to give the remaining balance Of $3 million to the next child That has been known You know what, I'll give you guys an example A couple of years ago We said, you know what? When we're raising money We'll put the account number on the parent Of the sick child At the end of the day The family of the sick child Always turns sick child To be the girls that are laying the golden egg I've seen the situation When we're raising $2 million for a sick child And then when you're at the end of the day The account, they had about Over about $11 million in the account Wow And the state allowed us to continue campaigning So, you know I indicate The hourly amount in the silent part of the visit If you say you pay money direct To the family of the sick child You don't trust them If you say you want to pay the money direct To the hospital You can only pay direct to a private hospital That whatever they need They'll buy it outside But you pay money to the government Of the child If it was today now in Abuja I'm owing the I'm one of the Abuja hospital To work on $3 million How? We paid some donors I said, oh, no, you don't want I don't trust your NGOs And I don't trust the family I will pay direct to the hospital You pay direct to the hospital There's time for surgery They said, oh god We don't have item 1 to 7 When you have to go and buy it outside And guess what? The money have been paid for that To have time to give a new one So 80% of the material Is used for treatment and surgeries In government hospitals You have to buy them outside manually So some donors need to really understand Understand If you're dealing with the If you're dealing with a private hospital If they give you $5 million Pay them the $5 million Everything they need Even if they have to go to Afghanistan They'll go and buy it and bring it Because they have to pay you But the government hospitals won't They will tell you about yesterday We had this But today we don't have it So you have to go and buy it outside And if you ask them Okay, we have already paid it For the money for the son And they will tell you Money have to the TSC account I understand But let me come to you Mary I think Mary had a question for you At the same time I would like to know What has been your biggest challenge so far? And how can we overcome it? Also How do we invite the culture of Charity You know From a very young age to people Because I feel like a lot of also So have the perspective that Until I have Dan Kote's body before I should be You know Doing charity work It's for the people who have You know Such and so amount At the same time We also have people who are very deceitful You know They've turned the begging into A way of making money for themselves You see a story online And the passing is very touchy The person is in the hospital And then you're skeptical Should I transfer this money to this account Or not so What has been your challenge so far? And how do we overcome You know Such issues You know In the In the NGOs In the streets You know You know Giving Giving is a gift And the privilege Is a privilege to be in a position to give And it's a privilege to be in a position to help And today you have a friend who has a million There are But you can't give me a thousand there Tomorrow you have a friend who has Only 10,000 there And you can give me 5,000 there So you see Giving is a gift With all in the heart And in the mind And the way you relate to people And you see I told a couple of people before I tend to say We need to grow this culture of giving Let it be like a way of life For us The way you wake up every Sunday I want to go to church The way you wake up every Friday I want to go to the mosque The way you wake up every Wednesday I want to go to evening service The way you wake up every day You want to use the bathroom The way you wake up every day You want to eat The way you wake up every day You want to help your child to say I love you Then that giving should be an everyday thing Because let me give you an example 51 years old And if I multiply 51 years by 365 days I've spent over 18,000 days on earth I'm not talking about the hours Or the seconds Or the minute So if I'll be sincere to myself Over the 18,000 days I've spent on earth Have I really done what enough for the gift of life? I haven't Never lie to ourselves It's not you up all of you Waking up in the morning Going down in your knees Telling God, oh Thank you for today Thank you for the gift of life Thank you, I promise you No Every day you wake up in the morning As long as you found out that you were alive You are healthy Then look for someone to touch his life You don't have to be your male guide Or your driver Or your tool for anyone So you see When our children see us Oh mommy every Sunday Or every Saturday Or once a month Mommy is sure enough for those in need Mommy is sure enough for those kids I can't go to school Mommy is sure enough for those kids in the hospital Can you know Mommy becomes a part of that You know, wake up your old shoes Your old clothes You're not using it You're building the capacity of the child You're building the capacity You know, let me even tell you what story A couple of years ago A couple of years ago my friends Young that brother They asked him in school Where do you want to be? Where do you want to be? If they want to be like If the dad didn't say like I If they want to have houses To London, Dubai, America And Paris That is what he knows about daddy But what can't he know What about daddy? I'm giving back to those in need Showing off in the video Show it to me You know, let me take the team Let me Let me get my point You see, people fail to understand something Every prayer from a father or a mother Is let my child bury me No mother or father prays to die For his or her child But there's no way about it In between the power of God But you see Whatever you see today You neglect tomorrow to destroy you Whatever you see to neglect today I was once kidnapped by Flanny S. Mann What saved me was One of the Flanny boys was wearing my NGO t-shirt Yes He was the one that recognized me He told me I know you You are the one that gave me t-shirt One year ago So we will know how to You know, your team can go Wow Wow You know, so I like Mary as that question because I read somewhere I'm not sure where now that GoFundMe has banned Nigeria As a country, you know People that create a GoFundMe account They want to do some things I know that Nigeria Okay, you read that too, right That Nigeria was banned I've never really used the GoFundMe account So I don't know what's how that works There's something else again that was banned I'm not sure that is still in line With these organizations And that is because of the unique Challenge that Nigeria just has, right And that's why Mary's question I really want you to hit the nail on the head There's the part of that That was called nonchalancy That people are not willing to give and all of that But there is a unique problem Because you mentioned something You were trying to raise two million Naira For someone The parents did not even alert you When the fund had hit the two million You understand It was already at level million So there is fraud in every one of us in Nigeria Right So there's a unique challenge that Nigeria poses Right So even if we were to deal with this Because now the donors are not trusting of the NGOs It's okay, let me give it directly to the people that need it I mean there was a year that Kate Henshaw Had raised money for some child I can't remember It made news because it was all about She had to come out to say please Oh you know Because she does that a lot When there are cases Yes, she would pay She would go on her page And please ask for funds and all of that Even most of the celebrities now are a bit wary Asking the public for funds Because of this shroudiness Or the cunning nature that Nigerians just have Right So how do we Summon this unique Because it's a big problem in Nigeria There is just that level Everybody just wants to be fraudulent When there's an opportunity to be You see for me is There are some cases where a sick child That I handle I took picture with the child But I would see the picture going online People are raising funds for the child But I'm still in the picture Yeah, I've seen numerous pictures So you see, what you see If you really want to help Just the way the other accountant lady Ask popular questions If you really want to help You will go deeper If I see a sick child online And I believe is A fraud or I don't believe in the storyline I will go deeper to inquire Where is the child? What is the phone number? How can I see the child? What state is the child? Can I come over and see the child? So you see, you can go deeper Thank you Ninety years have passed If you really want to help It's like your house boy Telling you, oh, I cannot pay my child's school fees And the story really touches your heart You say to your daughter, what school is the child? Can I go and see the principal? Can I get an account number? Because some stories might be true But just because of some other Uh, scavengers Some other activity that you are being through You will shove it You say no That was the reason why no matter what No matter what story they bring to me I will follow into the latter Till I see the block that there are nowhere to go again This is a fraud Because some are true I know, yes Even they go from, you see Like I keep telling people, listen The morning is in Nigeria I don't need foreign donor Within 16 years We'll be able to raise over $5 million For children All donation within Nigeria I don't receive $1,000 from anybody Maybe $1,000 from Nigeria to receive But no foreign donor No foreign organization No foreign individual Everything is here Okay, let's take some comments Um, I think Mary you have a comment Right? If I'm not mistaken me, go ahead Or is that me or? I think that's you Okay, all right, let me quickly just take it Perfect topic Perfect topic you have on today On non-governmental organizations can be lever- How non-governmental organizations can be leveraged in Nigeria The main problem is that many so-called NGOs are all scammed You don't see how we don't start And an average An avenue for pure corruption Just like Uwa earlier said NGOs like the Kanu Heart Foundation That don't tremendously well In support of people with heart problems We lack accountability in many NGOs around our country Gracious, great ladies at Waze Bobby Kennedy from Jalingo All right, so I mean This issue cannot be We can, this issue of, what do you call it? Fraud And corruption It's everywhere It's everywhere But let's piggyback to the topic, right Do you really think that the NGOs are powerful enough To create an effective change in Nigeria Especially bearing in mind the unique challenges that we have We have issues in the educational sector The poverty gap is widening by the second There is a problem to access to good water Clean health care and all of those things Do you think NGOs can really make a difference in Nigeria? Yes, they can Since you said once though Because, but I can tell you With the number of NGOs who have in the countries If everybody is sincere With the number of NGOs who have in the country If all NGOs that say I believe By now I mean people to solve Almost maybe about 50 or 60% of the problem from education From law Actually they have no access to water Girls have no access to sunscreen pad With the amount of NGO But if you know the amount of NGO The amount of money NGOs receive in Nigeria Then you will look at it again With the level of work being done Nothing is being done Nobody is getting rich every day People are buying But it's real And even if the government needs to Like Get into this NGO thing To unite every NGO to know what you're doing What you're not doing Are you supposed to work or not Because some NGOs are just scammers If you see their office They are going to face you and face me That's all Getting pictures Do you know You don't even tell them Like every year Every December Like this year December 11th Sunday 11th of December 22nd Every year my NGO Always organizes like an end of year Slash Christmas party For 2 to 3,000 orphans Do you know that there's some people That will go to my party Hosting 2,000 orphans And they will start taking pictures there And the following week you see it On their own website And not their events Hey, how are you? Because you know for you to get foreign For you to get foreign donation You need content Well, I can actually agree with you I agree with you because I have Go ahead, sorry I have an NGO right And we deal with children And they play games every year So because my event is really big Is one of the biggest events Even the people at first They were skeptical That is it possible that you can actually Pull this through And give what you say you will give So because if After that first year they were skeptical By the next year we were swamped with people I know smaller bodies That come into the NGO Bringing their players And make it look like it is also And take pictures and go and post and all of that So for those things, well you don't really It's not really so much of a big deal for me As long as you're doing what you're doing Right? I am not bothered with that But all I'm saying is that For whatever it is that is trusted in your hand At least do your bit Right? Don't collect money I had to put my event on a pause Because it takes more from my Personal accounts than you know People think that Oh when they see the event so big They think I have made money I always end up in negative In fact my sister I owed her for two years Because she borrowed me She borrowed me I think about two million Naira To finish my payments and everything I owed her that two million Naira for two years Before I finally paid the final dime You know so But hey I get it It's a big deal But it's a big issue that we keep talking about it But hey Do you ladies have any final words? What I would say is You're doing a great work I know NGOs really have an impact In nation building Just keep doing what you're doing And also if there could be a whistle I don't know the policies Government policies that are regulating these NGOs I feel like something NGOs can come together And look for frameworks and policies That can regulate them And put off all these bad acts That bring in the bad names to the good ones That's what I have to say Well Do you have whistleblowers? Mary I think what's what's what doing Go ahead I mean what doing What's the quote that you say Doing good What is what doing is what doing well Yeah so um Regardless of the fraudulent activities They will always be fraud And you know all these cunning things I think what matters the most is Your vision and your goal You know the people that you have truly helped Will spread the word for you Regardless of anything And as long as you have those You you're honest to yourself You're true to yourself You make a mark in the world You're doing a great job NGO is a good initiative And definitely It's going is it It might not have made a great impact Like in in our country Nigeria But let's be honest Is we've we've gone far So you know and it's commendable Absolutely I want to quickly speak on something Now if you if you can pardon me Two minutes and say it very short So I recently heard that Rolex Is a non-for-profit organization So what they then do is that Whatever profit they make From the sales of their wristwatches They then push it into organizations Into education Into different You know, non-governmental sectors right To do charity work How can NGOs begin to think in that system That you are a non-for-profit But you are a profitable non-for-profit Because even some schools are here Are also non-for-profit But they are profitable So what they then do with their profit Is that they then push it to other causes right So maybe they're solving hunger Solving whatever problem it is that they're solving So how do we start to get NGOs To think in that direction So you're not just sitting cap in hand Waiting for a donor How do we start to have that? You see for that We have to have participation From almost every Nigerian Pardon me Now I keep telling you everything you see The success story of my NGO Is not one person in the nation If I want to raise a million Naira now I would look for 1,000 people to give me a thousand Naira Or I would look for 10,000 people to give me a hundred Naira So everybody no matter how poor you are You have your own level That you can donate and do the rest From time I would look for 100 people to give me 20,000 Naira And in just 72 hours We'll be able to raise that amount of money I will give you an example In 2013 We had a baby The baby's name Oki-Ki Jisoo She was born without a score The first child ever Born in this world was called And how much was she needed was about 200 $224,000 that was what she needed That money for surgery And you know what? We say This is not a show Crowdfunding again Let's look for repeatable dollars And in just 72 hours We'll be able to raise that amount of money We'll future into the U.S. Dr. Beck has it Conducted surgery And they live in the U.S. with a great card now So you see For this intro We're definitely participation Today now If today if Don Jersey Davido Whiskey Tewa Day you know what If you love me Every every month You'll make $200 to save a life Some more $200 by a million Who is $200 million Absolutely All you say about not accountability If you put your If you put your mind And you put this chocolate together There will be a controversy Absolutely On that note Thank you We're right out of time Like when we're having fun We just The time just goes But thank you No, we have to bring you back Because I love the conversation And I think we'll keep on talking about this We need to start getting people to be a lot more conscious Of what needs to be done Thank you so much, Nuhu Thank you, Mary Thank you, Gloria I think we had a fantastic conversation Now before we go Good night, thank you All right, before we go And show you follow us Everywhere at Wayshaw Africa TikTok, Instagram YouTube, Facebook Twitter All of them Can drop your comments More importantly follow the engagements Like, share and invite your families and friends to watch And follow the conversation Now if you miss today's quote Heritage again There is one kind of charity Common enough amongst us It is that pitch Or rather it is that patchwork Philanthropy Which clothes the ragged Feeds the poor Heals the sick I am far from decrying the noble spirit Which seeks to help a poor Or suffering fellow human being However, what advances a nation Or a community is not so much To prop up its weakest And most helpless members But to also lift up the best And the most gifted So as to make them The greatest service to Of greatest service to the country I mean this is very very important We'll see you guys tomorrow at 8 p.m. So our ladies night out As we bring another great conversation To your screen Enjoy