 Thank you for joining. This is the only place so we get to finish and finish matters. Today we are talking about address code and conduct at the workplace. Some organizations have come up with address code for their staff, also stopping them from chewing gum at their workplace. Which takes us to our first question. Do you agree with the proposal that states your employer should not call you after work time is done? Let me know what you think in the comments section. It's 1-5-4 and finished. Whether I'm in support or against it, because it will depend on the situation. And also it depends where this employer is calling the employee. You know, it's a term of agreement. If the employer is willing to boost the employee or pay the employee for that overtime which they are calling for them, it depends whether the employee will agree or not. You are in convenience in my time also at home. Nasteli is a familiar. You called me. Okay, for instance, it is on a Friday. I'm not supposed to go to work on Saturday. Then when I am at 8, at tomorrow, you are supposed to be in the office. So, Nasteli, do you have a job? My time is my time. If you don't have a job, at 4, you don't have a job. If you don't have a job, you don't have a family. If you don't have a job, you don't have a family. I don't know. If I work only with money, then I'll be able to come off. At work, If I work only with money, then I'll be able to come off. If I work only with money, then I'll be able to come off. That's my thing to say. That's my I can't support it, but also not support it, because basically like my work, we work over time. We work like in the media. You have to work after five, and there are questions you have to be asked. So, you know, work in terms of employment, it's all about teamwork. And through teamwork, that's where you find something positive. So after five, it's okay. Just call, because work has to continue. It depends on the job. And if, okay, obviously if it's like a doctor, that's reasonable for you to be called, even in the midnight. But if it's a bank, like a bank, a bank, you are employed as a cashier accountant, I think it's not reasonable for someone to call you at 9 p.m. It's not reasonable. I think it depends with the job. Yeah, it depends with the job. Personally, yeah, I do agree so, because it shouldn't be a double standard. It's just unknown that even when you're doing work hours, you're not allowed to do your personal calls. You know, just deal with your personal issues. You set them aside from work. Yeah, I agree with it, because they're working times. If your working time is from 9 to 5, I don't think you should call me past 5, because now that's my personal time. It's invading the personal time of the employee, because you, the person had all day to call you. And if, if the day has ended this tomorrow, unless it's an emergency, life and death kind of emergency, you shouldn't contact your employee past working hours. It's their personal time. Yeah. First of all, when you have done your eight hours work, then you have done your job. So you have done what you get paid for. So when your employer calls you after the official work hours, then he has to pay for it. If he wants to, you to come to the office, or if you want, if he wants you to do a certain job, then he has to pay for it. My day is done, so my working hours are over. And the negative point is you reduce my private time, which I can spend with my children, my wife, my girlfriend, friends. So I think it is not correct that an employer should take advantage on the position he has. No, it depends. Depends. Depends on your capacity. Probably if your job is tiring, the employer should not like call you off. There's some jobs which are intense and there's some jobs which actually they're not intense. So it depends on the job. It depends on your relationship with the employer. Some people have a good relationship. Some people just have a formal relationship past five or past four. They don't want anything with the job. So it depends. I actually agree. Because you find sometimes when you're at work, you are working for that employer in work. So there's no way after you have worked, there's no way or there's no need, your employer to again conduct you after you have done your work. Because some of Kenyans and some of these employees, they work by time. Some work eight hours, some 10 hours. So it depends. After work, they are tired. So I feel the employer should not conduct their employees after they have worked. If it can be avoided, I feel like it would be a good thing for the employers not to contact their employees after their work time is done, unless it's in a case of emergency, or maybe they're actually willing to pay more for the extra time. Onto our next question. Do you think employers should be allowed to interfere with the personal time of their employees? Let me know what you think in the comment section. No, no, no, employees' personal time is employees' personal time. Unless that personal time email it or take me a job. Yeah. There is that time, timeline for job. And there is that time away from job. So time away from job, employer should pay for it more. Absolutely no. You, as a human being, you've got your own time table to run your issues. After work, you also need to do other things. See at any time, I work, I'm K6, I work, then after work, let's say, I work 5, then still in my mind, it should be that way. After work, if at all I'm coming from work at 5, time is going to be different. I need to do other private things. Yeah. Money is involved. Yeah. You know, there are two things. There is personal time and there is working duration. So one is not supposed to interfere with someone's personal time because that's your private time and you have a social life to live but just in case there is an emergency someone can call and that's not interference I'm going to learn something no I think during the okay when you are being employed you sign some stuff you say the time you are available and somehow it's like a contract so if he does it and goes against it he's breaking the contract which is not nice yeah it's not that ethical for someone to do yeah and considering that every employer and what's it called work organization has a HR system that has calculated that move it shouldn't be that many intrusive to the employees personal time so as long as it's something that's understandable and not overstepping boundaries no no they're not because they already did get a lot of time to the work and they have personalized life their life doesn't revolve around the work they have families friends themselves kids other jobs so yeah they shouldn't take their personal time oh you know my personal time is my personal time if I want to sleep 20 hours then I want to sleep 20 hours so I think the employer should act and behave in accordance to the contract he has with the employee when he has a clause in the contract that he has the right to call after the working hours when he has a clause in the contract that he can use whatever the in the in the private time then I have agreed on that as the employee but normally they should just follow the contract which they have done with the employee I don't think so personal time personal time is personal time and work time because if you interfere with personal time it will reduce their productivity when they are supposed to be doing work personal time is for rest and all those things so if personal time they just involved in work issues but the time they're doing work their productivity goes down because they are they are overwhelmed they are overwhelmed yeah no no no unless we are applicable because we have some emergencies but I don't agree no yes it's called personal time for a reason because this is my time to spend time with family it's my time to spend time alone relaxing especially if I'm working a nine to five job I need some time to actually get the energy right back and as I said earlier if my employer is not willing to pay me an extra then no thank you we're taking a short break we'll be back with two more questions please so we get to finish and finish matters I am your host SK Geetonga do not forget to follow me and also she made it platforms today we're talking about conduct and dress code at work which takes us to our next question do you think there should be a mandatory dress code at the workplace let me know what you think in the comments section at white to five four hashtag and finished there should be no more than that or a dress code do it will depend with the quality of work let's say one person has dreadlocks and wears casual but that person performs very well in that work and this other person dresses official and shaves but the performance of that person is not as much of this casual person so you see there'll be no sense in firing this person because of how they dress it will only be a loss to that workplace only so dress code doesn't performance performance first performance then dress code their last to commercial depends with the kind of job let's say you are more limb dressing code should be looked at I don't think one of our be able to win a dress because I don't think when I dress code in India and I could find a car how I think we can see what you mean if I've been in a bar as long as I'm doing my work I think we interfere so I don't think I think we're going to dress code is in his stuff as a kid I'm like to go generation as I need to agency he was a family of job because a bubble couldn't go sing in a personally mrs. Eva at some point yes because nowadays in this generation the JZ generation people people have not been coded in terms of my dress my choice everyone has their opinion in terms of dressing and you see in the workplace it's a presentation of that institution or organization or a company so I think the workplaces should at least regulate because also your presentation sells you not depend official it's good to fire you know for corner uniform your official you come It's good. We need to break through the obstacles, at least we are able to imagine what this institution is like. There is a way to address these obstacles. We still have to go through the obstacles. Because the people here are poor, they have to go to the city to buy oil. So we are doing this. That depends also with the place, the occupation of the person. It's pretty nice considering the fact that you can have a bank, which is like, okay, it just suits the environment of the bank, it suits the occupation. But I think as long as you are decent, it's not supposed to be a mandatory dress code for someone. Yeah, and just dress decently. Definitely, yeah. Definitely because there's different ambience in different workplaces. Could be bars, could be restaurants, could be official corporate places. The dress code varies, but it's very, what's it called, you know? How do I say this? It's very, please help me. It goes along, you can't dress up for a different meaning and go to a workplace that doesn't match that aesthetic. Yeah, as much as, I personally wouldn't even like it, but I think it is because it will shield people from a lot of inappropriate situations. As much as people should have the manners already and know that something is inappropriate, there should be a dress code to shield people and there's some corporate places where casual dressing would just look wrong so yeah, there should be a dress code for workplaces. To be very honest, I don't think so. Because in this moment, my employer can dictate what I have to wear. I think that is kind of self-responsibility and I think when somebody has his mind together, he knows that he cannot go to his workplace dressed as if he wanna go in a discotheque, dressed as if he wanna go out for fun. So I think working hours, for sure you have to have a responsibility, but it should be not the responsibility of the employer, it should be the responsibility of the employee. Okay, it depends. If your job is like a face of the market, of the company, for instance, a waitress or a catress, our uniform will be better. But if you're probably a software engineer, you're not even interacting with people and all those things, probably a casual official outlook will be better just to bring out that relaxed environment. Yeah, it's very, very important because different people work in different sectors and for the etiquette or good conduct of their job, they must groom well, they must have a good attire, more specifically on the type of job they are doing. Yeah, so I agree, yeah. It totally depends on where you actually work. We have some job places that require you to have an official kind of look, which is fine. Some jobs also require you to have a uniform, let's say police, nurses and pilots. That's cool. But in other cases, I feel like it's totally unnecessary because I don't see how having a ragged or having dreadlocks is going to stop you from being creative or effective at what you do as long as you're decent and it's not excessively short, it's not excessively ragged. That's all that matters, which takes us to our last question. What are some of the bad grooming habits that you think should be avoided at the workplace? Let me know what you think in the comment section. It depends. It depends on what you do and what you do. It depends on what happens. It depends on how decent you are. It depends on what you like. It depends on what you like. Maybe a very, very short dress, like a minuit, like a kid dog with small dresses, like mini skirts and you're going to a teacher's school where there are kids. I don't think that's appropriate for a teacher. Okay, just wear it decently. Like you might see why it's so short. That's why I'm working here. I'm working here because I'm a farmer. I'm not a farmer, I'm a farmer. I'm not a farmer, I'm not a farmer. I'm not a farmer, I'm not a farmer, I'm not a farmer. I'm not a farmer, I'm not a farmer. Another thing, this one is relative. But personally, I hate overdoing. Like a girl overdoing make-ups and all such. So, you know, it's something in it, you know, in a driving head, that kind of thing. So, you do it, but don't overdo it. I feel like there's a respect that goes into workplaces and organizations. Because courtesy is one of the key things that help an organization as an individual in your individual life. There's some basic courtesy that should give everyone. It shouldn't just be, oh, you know. As long as you're working, there's a respect that you give to that environment. And as human beings, when you interact with any, not just with the customers or any, even like amongst each other, like employees working together at least. I think short, like inappropriately short dressing, that is the only one I think that really is. Because as much as people say tight clothing, I mean, really, really short. I think short exposes too much, or like the cleavage, something like that doesn't. Just be covered. Definitely don't wear crocs to work. Don't, probably, things which are more exposing, because for ladies and for guys, okay, it depends also. But some things are just outright inappropriate. Wearing crocs, just wearing... Yeah, just look, some presents over here. I'm not single or like an adult, but if there's a problem, it's better not to wear it. So, if there's a problem, it's better not to wear it, it's better not to wear it. So, if there's a problem, it's better not to wear it. I would say having excessively revealing clothes and also not being able to take care of your personal hygiene, like brushing your teeth, you know, just the basics. Having long hair is not a bad thing, but having long and camped hair actually gives off bad vibes. So, our advice is to just be decent, be clean, and be nice to your workmates. We have come to the end of the show. Thank you for watching. I am your host, Eske Gichanga. Bye.