 Coming up on DTNS, it's your move, Microsoft, because Sony just bought Bungie. Spotify deals with some artists to fall out. And where does the smart home go from here? This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, January 31st, 2022. From Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. I'm lovely Cleveland, Ohio. I'm Mitch Travolino. And I'm Roger Cheng. The show is pretty soon. Before we started the show on Good Day Internet, we were talking about all sorts of things like when older dogs don't like younger dogs all that much. If you want to get that wider conversation, do so by becoming a patron at patreon.com. GTNS. Of course, we want to give a big thanks to our top patrons, including James C. Smith, Miranda Janell, and Justin Zellers. Now, let's start with a few tech things you should know. The virtualization and cloud computing company Citrix announced it agreed to be taken private by Vista Equity Partners and Evergreen Coast Capital in a $16.5 billion deal. The private equity firms plan to combine Citrix with a 2014 acquisition of the analytics platform Tibco, offering this as a combined software as a service solution. Apple now allows developers to publish unlisted apps on the App Store. These can be shared with private links and won't appear in search. This isn't meant to be a replacement for its test flight beta system, and there's no invite-only mechanism for unlisted apps. Developers can request to move publish apps to unlisted, though, if they so desire. Meta paused new users from joining its CrowdTangle social media tracking tool, although new users can still be added to existing company accounts, just not new users. Meta disbanded the CrowdTangle team last year, moving the tool under its new data and transparency team. The company said staff constraints from reorganization is the reason they're pausing registration. Pinterest expanded its AR shopping features, now working with retailers like Creighton Barrel, Walmart, West Elm, and Wayfair to offer 80,000 shoppable pins that can be virtually placed in homes through its lens camera. Once viewing an item, users can proceed to purchase it directly through that retailer. This is part of Pinterest's try-on AR efforts, which have previously focused on beauty products. Pinterest says that users are five times more likely to buy from try-on-enabled pins than standard pins from retailers. And the iOS app store and Android app markets operated by Tencent and Huawei no longer list the dating app Grinder in China. App Reachers at Keemai noted that the iOS version was removed on January 27th. It's unclear when Android apps were pulled. 9-5 Mac sources say the iOS app was removed by Grinder's parent company. Grinder users in China have reported issues with the app over the past several weeks, things like not being able to send or receive messages or add likes. Competitive LGBTQ dating apps remain available in the country. Grinder resolved that the Chinese video game development company Kunlun Tech to a group of US-based investors in March 2020. All right, let's talk a little bit more about some stuff that went down over the weekend, particularly if you're a Spotify user, because if you are a Spotify user who enjoys the music of, say, Neil Young or Joni Mitchell, you probably know about the current drama that's happening on the platform. If you're not up to speed, we'll get you up to speed, the short version is that these artists and several others have all asked Spotify to remove their music after objecting to COVID-related misinformation featured on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, which is a very popular podcast on the Spotify network. In 2020, Spotify signed a $100 million deal for an exclusive license on this show. Now, in response to pressure from artists and also users, Spotify published its platform rules, outlining its policies on what it considers dangerous, deceptive, sensitive and illegal content. These aren't new rules previously used by Spotify internally, but not made public until now. These rules say that Spotify forbids hatred and incitement of violence, sexually explicit material, and, and this one's important, quote, content that promotes dangerous, false or dangerous deceptive medical information that may cause offline harm or poses a direct threat to public health, end quote. The company will also work on adding a content advisory on podcast episodes that discuss COVID-19. One would think other health related issues as well if there's going to be some sort of a blanket situation going on here. Spotify said that content violating its rules could be removed from the platform with repeated violations subject to suspension or removal from its service altogether. These rules stop short of outlining any specific strike system or escalation from removed content to suspension. Yeah, this was dominating my Twitter feed kind of takes on this and it's very interesting because this obviously, you know, Spotify is starting to, you know, by getting into this, goes to the Joe Roken Experience buying podcasting studios like Gimlet and others that they've been doing over the past several years, you know, getting from being a music service to an original, you know, increasingly an original content platform and running into a lot of the same problems that, you know, this really seems analogous to a lot of the issues that YouTube had a couple of years ago with that was more associated with brands buying ads that appeared on, you know, shows with content that advertisers would have preferred not to have been associated with, but, you know, kind of running into that same problem of, hey, we're taking podcasts from being this very passive thing to this thing that we're making exclusive, you know, we're putting in this very advanced ad tech to it. And it turns out there are some ways that it can go sideways when you so closely associate your brand or your platform, I should say, with content like that. Yeah, I mean, the exclusive license on the show is a big part of this. I'm an Apple Music user. I fight with my friends all the time who send me Spotify playlists from like, what do you what am I doing with this? But I, you know, I always say for the most part, the platforms are more or less the same, you know, you listen to your music, there's, you know, there's there are certain shows that are exclusive to, to, to these and other platforms that, that host music and podcasts, but it's that exclusive part of it that if I, you know, I was kind of thinking about this over the weekend, if, if it was Apple Music and there was some podcast that somebody had, you know, you know, the Apple Music had paid a lot of money for and it was something that I felt uncomfortable enough that it, it kind of mirrored what a lot of people might think the company stands for. And I'm not even talking about the Joe Rueckin podcast. Let's, you know, this is kind of hypothetical. But if there was something that I disagreed with enough that I felt really uncomfortable with any platform kind of signing off on, right, then I would have a problem with this. No, granted, I'm not a musician. I don't, you know, I don't have much sway here. Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, they are, they've been around the block a while and quite a bit big discography for both. And I, it almost reminds me of the days, days of your when certain artists would, you know, get bent out of shape about a company offering streaming versions of their songs and say, no, no, no, you got, you have to buy our music. That's all we're doing. But this is a little bit different because it is about, you know, enough people saying this is harmful to us, or we just don't agree with it. And we're going to make it hard for you, Spotify. Weirdly, this move to, it almost makes Spotify's exclusive podcast strategy makes sense on a business decision. Take away the, the controversy about COVID misinformation, right? Take away that. But the idea that an artist could say, take my, very popular artists could say, take my music off my platform. And there are innumerable other options for people that want to use that, that Spotify loses out on, as opposed to controversial as it may be an exclusive podcast that you can only, you know, I know there are like video versions and stuff like that out there, but you can only get the podcast version of that on that platform. You know, in a weird way, the move by artists to take music off the platform kind of validates as a business decision, the pursuit of this exclusive content. Yeah. All right. Well, in other shoe dropping news, Sony announced it intends to acquire the game developer Bungie for $3.6 billion. Sony says the company will remain an independent subsidiary and will be free to self publish and reach players at its discretion. Bungie was founded in 1991, acquired by Microsoft in 2000, with its halo title made an Xbox console launch title and then went independent in 2007, then signed a 10 year publishing deal with Activision in 2010, ending that partnership in 2019. They've been around. It's hard to see this as anything other than the response to Microsoft's recently announced plans to acquire Activision, but we wanted some insight into what this means for the gaming industry at large. So we asked Jen Cutter to weigh in on the news. Don't know about you guys, but I was definitely not ready for yet another major acquisition. Since we're in the realm of anything can happen, guess I should keep an eye on Nintendo in case they buy Square Enix next. Bungie wasn't in immediate danger of tanking in the years following the slightly tense split from Activision. Activision's insistence on cranking out Destiny expansions yearly put quite a strain on teams and leadership leading to the breakup. But they certainly had a rocky ride when transitioning Destiny to a free to play model, even removing previously paid for content from the game without reimbursing players, as well as making any remotely cool armor a paid cosmetic rather than earnable in game. Because devs gotta get paid. That said, Destiny is not Bungie's only game, just the only one with reliable consistent news, like the new Witch Queen expansion dropping February 22nd. New IP from the company has been in progress for many years now, with a proper reveal coming in 2025 and amazingly still no leaks about it, though future projects within the Destiny universe are expected. With all the consolidation of major AAA developers, is this going to be good for the industry in the long term? Short term, sure. Stocks go up. But will this end up inviting scrutiny like the Nvidia arm deal? Right now, all the companies are playing nice and openly honoring previous multi-platform deals. With the Microsoft purchase of Bethesda, Xbox boss Phil Spencer stressed the company would continue contractual obligations with Sony for Ghostwire Tokyo in Deathloop, but future titles will be exclusive to platforms where Game Pass exists. It even broke today that MLB The Show will now be on every platform, including the Switch, with cross-platform play, cross-saves and cross-progression enabled. That said, this feels like a honeymoon phase, all press releases and warm fuzzies. The real truth of how this all shakes out won't be seen for a few years, but I think will definitely be felt during this console generation. Sony's State of Play event on Wednesday is going to be lit. Jen Cutter, thank you so much for weighing in on this. Both Rich and I this morning saw the news. Well, we all saw the news. We were kind of like, okay, who has a really good inside track on gaming? Jen Cutter. So thank you, Jen. Really appreciate that. I wanted to add this much to this debate in that one of the interesting things is that as Microsoft has actively pursued the ability to play a variety of games on its hardware as a service, it's really removed what traditionally has bounded video games to the marketplace in that you had a hardware manufacturer, whether it was Sega, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, and then you would have games that would be written for that specific platform and then released that way. I think what you're seeing is a seminal shift away from a control of the platform and more of a platform as a free-for-all, but we're going to control the IP or release, well, own the IP in order to make money off of it. If you want to watch a specific show that you can only get on Netflix, you're going to sign up for Netflix. If you're going to watch a show that's only available on Hulu, you're going to sign up for Hulu. If you're going to watch a show that's only available on HBO Max, you're going to sign up for HBO Max. And I think this is what you're seeing is that we're shifting away from the circuitry on our platforms at best so you're going to buy it. We have the most compelling content you're going to subscribe. And I think this is what you're seeing right now. And I do think, to Jen's point about regulation, I do think maybe this, setting this up, again, this is just a press release, so we'll see how this actually works out in business, but the fact that this is a independent subsidiary, if that's the structure, if that's the language that these companies need to start using to maybe hope that they're going to pass some regulatory muster, obviously Microsoft has stopped well short of framing it as that saying, hey, we'll follow the letter of our contracts while they're there. And the other thing is this may not be Sony's only response in that, so we will definitely have to keep an eye for some more news in this regard. Before we move on to smart home news, just a real quick one, this is just coming in from the wire, New York Times has acquired Wordle. Yes, the puzzle game, daily word puzzle game that has gripped the world with its fun ease of use. We have no word on what Wordle was acquired for price wise. The press release about this said it was acquired for an undisclosed price in the low seven figures, still seven figures. But yeah, congratulations to Josh Wordle, software engineer living in Brooklyn, New York, who released the game not too long ago and probably had no idea that it would explode in popularity as it has with myself, among many others, doing the Wordle game every single morning. And now for just $1 a week, you can keep playing Wordle. Oh my god. And that's exactly where my mind went is like, don't mess this up for me. Just let me play my free game once a tape, please, New York Times, I'm begging you. All right, moving on to smart home gadgets. They're great. I have many of them, but they often require more involved installation than just plugging in a cable, you know, power on good to go. Walmart is trying to address that reality partnering, partnering with Angie, you might know them as Angie's List, to offer home services across its nearly 4,000 stores. So customers can book Angie professionals from 150 common home projects, including wide range of services like mounting a TV, or, you know, flooring and painting your home. Smaller jobs like furniture assembly have flat fees. Larger projects get a little bit more expensive requiring custom quotes. Now back in 2018, Walmart had partnered with the company Handy to offer in-home installation services in a subset of its stores. Handy was subsequently acquired by Angie later that year. Amazon has offered in-home services since 2015. So Walmart is not alone here. This new partnership, though, with Angie and Walmart will be offered on a broader range of products and will continue to expand in a more complex service agreement to customers. The service goes live in mid-February. Yeah, this is really interesting because, you know, I haven't had a ton of smart home stuff in, but one of the things that I had was a Nest doorbell. And, you know, it's one of the wired ones. And just even like I had to reroute some of the cable that had to go, you know, it needed a certain wire to come through that wasn't, you know, present and stuff like that, was able to do that with the help of my father-in-law. But, you know, anything more complex with that, you know, we're talking about, like, smart lighting systems. We're getting into, you know, as smart thermostats get more complex, like, to get the benefit of a lot of these smart technologies that needs to be a tighter integration when it comes to, you know, how it's talking to your furnace or how it's talking to your water heater and stuff like that. We saw at CES that were smart water valves and stuff like that, that Moen, I believe it was Moen, is putting out there, maybe it's Kohler. Either way, those are kind of things that maybe not everybody can do on their own. And I think it's really smart to say, like, hey, if we're going to be selling this, we need to provide an easy way for people to be able to install that and partnering with a fairly well-known, you know, Angie's list, fairly well-known Walmart, pretty ubiquitous, you know, seems like, like a smart way to make those a little bit more approachable for people every day and also have another revenue stream, of course. Yeah, of course. I, you know, at first I was like, oh, this is like Geek Squad from Best Buy, you know, like, if you, if you, if you want to handle it yourself, perfectly fine, but if you're feeling like a little overwhelmed or maybe you're not familiar with the technology, this is great. When it comes to something like mounting a TV, every time I move to a new apartment, I have to mount my TV. Well, I don't have to, but I choose to because I like the look of it. I can't do that myself. If I tried, I'm pretty sure I would muck something up and my landlord would kick me out immediately. That's not really like that. That seems like that sort of obvious stuff, you know, if you have flooring and painting needs, that that's kind of obvious stuff too, and that's cool. But we were talking about smart home options, well, and smart home option companies fighting with each other with Rob DeMillo on, on last Friday's show. And there are definitely, you know, for sure times where someone might say, I'd really like this to work, but I need a little help setting it up ahead of time. And for those of us who are less tinkery than others, I think this is a great, great call on Walmart's part. Yeah, I'm just thinking also with just like consumer solar installations and stuff like that, obviously that's like, you know, that could be a roofing cup or something like that. But I feel like that is an area that's very adjacent to what they're going to be offering that, you know, again, we didn't want to talk about smart tech. That could be something that could be a key, you know, growth area for them going forward. Well, listen, folks, here on the Daily Tech News Show family, we'd like to offer you as much information as you will take from us. So check out Nikki Ackerman's latest installation of her a scientist in tech miniseries on how a researcher is tricking rats into thinking they've been teleported and then measuring their brain response as a result. You can find it in the DTNS feed. All right, well, we got some chip news. The first reviews of laptops with Intel's Alder Lake chips have been released. And these are focusing on the MSI GE76 Raider gaming laptop that seems to be the one that went out for review for these kind of initial launch of these chips. If you haven't been paying attention to the desktop Alder Lake releases, this is a major new architecture for Intel, mixing performance and efficiency cores like ARM chips have been kind of doing for the first time. The mobile chips range from low end i5s with eight cores, evenly split between performance and efficiency to the core i9-12900HK that uses six performance and eight efficiency cores. The top end i9 was used in the MSI laptop being reviewed, and reviewers are saying the system as a whole is a big leap forward for Intel, obviously beating out its 11th gen chips by wide margins and posting impressive gaming benchmarks. It also has a discrete NVIDIA 3080 graphics card, probably doesn't hurt. Making more headlines is the fact that it also beats Apple's M1 Max chip in performance. The system posted slight leads in rendering tests like handbrake and blender, but over a 30% lead in synthetic benchmarks from Cinebench and Photoshop. The only absolute one that I could find kind of researching this for the segment was for the M1 Max was in a 4k Adobe Premiere test. It was from the Verge and they even said that once Premiere updates with better Alder Lake integration that could well change. So Intel's back on top, Apple's quivering in their brushed aluminum shoes, right? Well you know kind of a little caveat here, this system uses three times as much power and has about a third of the battery life as the 16 inch MacBook Pro. Hard to draw too much of a comparison here, like I don't want to you know say like oh man you know these Alder Lake chips just really suck down power. You know the very different audiences for these two machines. MSI laptop is a gaming powerhouse, discrete GPU, RGB lights festooned all over. MacBook Pro is designed, you know, pretty specifically designed for creative professionals. Obviously a lot of other use cases for both machines. We'll have to wait to see Alder Lake chips not tuned for like this maximum performance use case to get a better comparison for it. But Sarah, you know for me like looking at this a couple of years ago, I feel like when like Intel made that first Ultrabook push, we saw like that first gen MacBook Air, you know we kind of hit that mainstream like question of you know have we hit like good enough mainstream performance for like you just pick up one of these laptops, it's going to be fine for everyday use. Are we hitting that with these you know Alder Lake with Apple's latest you know M1 kind of Pro chip Pro and Max chips? Are we like reaching that on the high end for like what we could conceivably want to use a laptop for at this point? Well I would I would venture I guess that a lot of folks listening right now would say I want the best performance possible. Now like you said it's it's a bit of an Apple's an orange comparison because the M1 chip is in a variety of laptops. For example my MacBook Air has an M1 chip just over a year old. Love it so much. Best machine I've ever had as far as you know the laptop and you know in the in the Mac family goes but I wasn't that long ago you know everyone was saying like M1 chip won to beat and you can you can beat that but it it depends on what you need to use this machine for and like you said you know something that's hardcore gaming is just going to need more more punch overall and I I I would never I would never tell anybody like oh all you need is the Apple M1 chip it's it's the best one ever and because these things just keep evolving they always have they always will to some degree so so yeah I mean I think that for for folks who follow until product strategy and rollout this is very exciting. Yeah and I think what's what's kind of cool about both of these products and and kind of just the I guess competition or whatnot and let's throw AMD into the mix they've been really pushing the mobile envelope up until Alder Lake is is that we do have kind of a spectrum of options of it's like hey if you want this gaming laptop which by the way I didn't see and in any of the reviews like oh it like burned my hand off it was super loud the fans were super loud so it's like yes it is a big gaming laptop but it's not like you're making this ridiculous compromise when it comes to you you know convenience features like that that we have like kind of this big spectrum of really high-end stuff admittedly at very crazy price points at times you know both these machines over $4,000 maxed out so it is a good time you know it wasn't too long ago we're asking like man can Intel iterate off of this 12 nanometer process stuff like that you know great to see them you know pretty rapidly bringing Alder Lake to mobile and having a roadmap for being like hey we have a strategy clearly the performance is there we'll have to see when the more mainstream consumer stuff comes out you know how well that scales compared to Apple and AMD what they're offering Rich would you like to talk about pandemic things you know nothing would actually make me no never mind some things would make me happy but anyway I know it's that was a tough one I'm sorry that was that was a curveball at least yeah at least in the US some of us have been receiving you know kind of these free COVID tests in the mail you know we got retail supplies of PCR tests a little tenuous during the current Omicron surge but while getting tests delivered is great a new paper from researchers at the University of California Santa Barbara outlined the system perform tests at home using a smartphone the current iteration definitely has some DIY feel to it it requires the team's back to count app a hot plate a cardboard box although I think any box will work and an LED light to do the test you put saliva in a $7 testing kit on top of the hot plate then you put down a reactive solution that turns red when bonding with viral RNA you put the cardboard box with an LED over the top of the plate then place your phone on top of the box again there needs to be like some sort of hole in there to see the color reactions using the camera using the phone's camera so plus side really cheap aside from you know a smartphone it's in limited trials it proved as accurate as a PCR test and it can be easily modified for new variants and other pathogens according to the researchers only downsides at least right now this was the limited trial with 50 participants so maybe that accuracy doesn't scale as we get more people into these trial you know into testing on this and right now the app is only calibrated to work with the Samsung Galaxy S9 phone man bone is probably pretty affordable on eBay Sarah I wanted to test shoot um I actually I mean I'm not I'm not personally uh needing a test right the second today many people are um so having options for this is pretty cool um this does feel like this this is not for the gen pop right this is for somebody who's like okay I understand what you need for me I have a hot plate um and a variety of other uh instruments required for this but but hey you know more info is good info I yeah I yeah Roger go ahead oh I was gonna say like I as I've said at the beginning of the show or before the show in the GDI I I actually tested positive for COVID and I have personally gone through two uh home antigen uh uh tests and this would actually be great other than the fact that you need to have a hot plate uh but if they if they could develop one without a hot plate because you know right now there's two there's two there's two tests that you use to to just determine whether or not you have COVID one is the uh the the quick test which is the antigen but it's not as sensitive so you need to be freely like your head needs to be filled with with mucus to to get any sort of reading from it compared to a PCR which is a lot more sensitive uh and a lot more precise and you know just not not having to have to dance between those two levels of of precision would be a boon especially in the case of me I have two or I have I have one older daughter that goes go test them every week in order to let them go to class and you have to show verification that they did test negative this could be a huge help especially we can send it electronically and they're and and and the uh and the positive or not the negative uh false rates are are relatively low what's cool about this story for me is one the idea that you could have just like different reactive agents that you could test for a bunch of different diseases in your home to be like oh I got the flu okay best brand go to work but the like I think in tech we've kind of just like take for granted now that like oh yeah I just got this smartphone in my pocket whatever like this reminds me of like the first time I saw someone like check email on a phone like where it's like oh yeah this is a super powerful computer that's in my pocket that's attached to a really powerful imaging system that can be combined to do things that like almost seemed unimaginable before I don't want to go too hyperbolic on this because again like this nowhere near being commercialized or approved in any sense of the word uh but like that's what that's what this feels like to me is like very show some of the transformative power of the things that we have in our pockets every single day which is really cool well in the uh in in the weekend mailbag report we got a lot of really good feedback um and and and and and and some constructive feedback um on our latest live with it uh show which was about the remarkable too for anybody who didn't catch that in our feed we offered it to all folks not just patrons so do listen to it if you can get a chance it was me joined by Jen Cutter who is a real uh she's she probably is the better person to be to to test something like they're remarkable too because she writes a lot longhand anyway uh of of the responses we got and thank you again to everybody who responded William wrote in with some good points William said as a long time user of their remarkable too I enjoyed hearing your impressions of the device I think you gave it a pretty fair summary great job overall one thing not mentioned though was the fact that remarkable provides every user with the root password to their device this allows you to log in and install software apps as well as modifications that greatly enhance the remarkable too is no taking functionality uh William says I've installed the open source co-reader e-book software which is superior to the built-in uh remarkable too e-reader functionality although you do still need to have removed any DRM from e-books beforehand and that is something that Jen and I got into um in our live with it segment William says co-reader has great Robbox integration functionality makes it easy for me to open PDFs and e-pubs that I've stored there another customization that can be made is to change the sleep screen I use one that's mostly a transparent PNG so I can still see the document that I had on the screen before I put it to sleep this ability is not possible on any of the more traditional lcd or led tablet displays in this age of ever more lockdown devices I think that remarkable deserves a lot of credit for providing this freedom it's not for every user but if you're someone with a reasonable level of technical skill it's amazingly liberating passing out a root password with your devices though I just imagine like somewhere there's a security researcher that's like yes yeah but as long as you can change it as long as you can change it it's not the same for everyone that's fine and you know William you do bring up a really good point that that was something that I kind of just stayed away from because I was trying to kind of figure out like okay what do we got core access I did play around a little bit with DRM and EPUB just to see if it worked kind of thing you know not trying to get in trouble or anything but and that is possible but it isn't always the most obvious method so I think yes for anybody who has thoughts on the remarkable to or e-readers in general especially productivity devices that are kind of e-readers plus would love to hear more of your thoughts as well and yeah keep keep that coming feedback at dailytechnewshow.com we also got an email from Jeremy this was in response to our conversation with Rob DeMillo on last week's show last Friday show Jeremy says I'm one of the people that has multiple Google speakers in my house that are linked as a group I see that might be nice to adjust all the speakers at the same time but I wonder if that's something that really happens now Jeremy is speaking in response to Sonosane no that's our thing Google you can't do that you have to adjust all the speakers individually no matter how many you have Jeremy says I have never done that with my group of five speakers one reason is that not all my speakers are the same a level eight on my Nest Hub Max is a different volume than on a Nest Mini the other reason that none of my rooms are the same size thus needing different volume levels I don't know how many houses that would have rooms all the same size with all the same speakers and that doesn't even get into what is in the room that changes those acoustics I agree though that taking away the choice does suck and like Rob said if Google was smart enough to mimic the Sonos system and not copy their implementation then this is BS yes indeed that's all you got Rich I I I really I I as a Sonos person I talked about this on the show a little bit last week but I do sometimes I don't know if I'm playing music and all my speakers are linked it's nice to be able to control them all at once you know as as a nest right haha no pun intended but but yes Jeremy I I agree with you that in many cases it wouldn't really be something that would you know hinder your enjoyment of media I will say if Google looked at their analytic user data and said this is a critical feature that many of our users use they would have paid Sonos a licensing fee to keep it up and while they work done work around so that they didn't need to do it there you go yeah well listen we got some brand new bosses over the weekend and we would like to thank all of you now Ilta out Adler Antonio Mendelia Steven Wirtz and Bryce Johnson all started backing us on patreon yay thanks Ilta thanks Antonio thanks Steven and thank you Bryce y'all the best and we appreciate you so much we are live Monday through Friday on this here show for 30 p.m. Eastern 2130 UTC if you want to know more you can find out more at daily technewshow.com slash live and we'll be back doing it all tomorrow with our 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