 Welcome to Toffy TV, we have just watched the press conference Marcel Brands and Markoog Silver, a Finch Farnbass, they look good, let's just start with that, they looked good, it was a complete 180 from seeing Steve Walsh in his old Silver Shadow high-techs. He strikes me as a mannydwy, Silver Shadow high-techs, jogging bottoms from BHS, and obviously Silver Day, looking smart as well, no big sound. So, what were your initial thoughts on just what they had to say? Yeah, very positive, I think they looked apart, which is good, and said a lot of things that we'd hoped they'd say, but said it with conviction I thought. I think the thing with brands, I think, the difference with like Walsh and Cooman, and with Demons, there seems to be a clear chain of command almost, that Marcel Brands is the man who is in control of this, and Markoog Silver is very much the head coach. I think he was the other way round with Walsh and Cooman, but I don't think they didn't appear to have much of a relationship, or certainly that's what we're led to believe, and I always felt Cooman felt himself he was bigger than everybody probably at the club. So, it's good that there's that air of authority about brands, and obviously now he's doing it, and Silver was very positive as well, so it's good. I thought what was good was the fact that the press conferences just in general, the fact that they were brought out together and introduced together rather than brands brought out last week and then Silver brought out. I think that showed straight away that there was a presentation of how it was going to be. Do things in tandem, but Marcel led the press conference as well, which I thought was quite interesting. Also, that was quite interesting that there was no senior figure out of it as well, there was no Bill Kenner. It was more Marcel passing it over to Silver, Marcel led it and is our new manager. Straight away like you've just said showing that air of authority, but also the fact that like you've just said Cooman came in, and then Steve Walsh came in a couple of months later, and then it was almost like you never seen them together, like they were all Steve Walsh was out doing something, and with his days it felt like he'd been presented as a team. Presented as a team, but you know, almost like Silver was presented by brands, so I thought that was very interesting. I know, because someone told me that brands have already, you know, and we've seen the video on Friday of them going round with David Underworth. I've been told that he went round and spoke to a lot of different people at the club as well on Friday and introduced themselves to a lot of different people. Something Steve Walsh didn't do for quite a while at the club, so I think that's straight away, that's brilliant, he's getting stuck into the job. And that came across, so I thought that came across that. It was like, listen, you know, we've got to get into this straight away and get ourselves going. And he does have said that he spoke to each other previously and met up and got things discussed as well, so it seems like straight away they're getting into the job. Yeah, I think the big thing that you've got to take into consideration is that Marko Silver's wanted this job from late October, and he's been out of a job since January, you know, obviously far, I'm not sure he wanted them in October as well. So apparently he's turned down four or five, six jobs in that time, so he's wanted this job, this is a job that he's looked at and thought, you know what, this is a big club and money and things like that. So he'll have been doing his assessment anyway, watching games, because it's a natural thing, you keep your eye on something that you're interested in. And Marcel Brandr has been approached two years ago, and obviously he's gone, this story bro, January I think, that I've been looking at him again. So he's had time to assess it as well. So the fact that they've met a few weeks ago and gone through stuff, they both will have come to that meeting prepared. This is, I've seen what we need to do with Bloody Glare and what, how would it work and everything else. I think the thing with Cumin was Cumin almost needed to be convinced to come here from Southampton. And like you said, then he brought Walsh in almost, he wanted Monty, that's someone he wanted brands, that's someone he couldn't get rid of them. And Walsh was kind of the shiny thing, that lester had just won the league, but it wasn't really, he created a role for them. So that's why that was, that seemed to be fractured, where there's this one, like you say, you know, brands, it's taking that, that path of, I'm in charge of football said, there's your head, there's our new head coach, and that's there. And it's good, and it's good that they are getting straight into it, because they realise that, you know, this is a big project as they've said, but it needs tackling immediately. So I talked about time and said it's very short with the World Cup, second of July they said the players will be back, so it's less than a month, so the players are back in pre-season. So, is that really the last year? Back a day, I think. And then last year we had Europa League, so straight back at it, obviously we don't know as yet about the pre-season. We go on through Austria to the training camp. But there's no, nothing on games as such, apart from the Valencia game. So I don't know whether that's, whether they add something, whether they add something in place, because otherwise kept on telling us it was all done, whether they add something in place and they've ripped that up now because, and these two basically want to get into it, I don't know. But they said, you know, as you mentioned, their time is ticking with the World Cup. So the brand said, is it, you know, we got in the job on Friday and this phone was ringing straight away from agent about players coming in and players going out. You know, because he said the squad is too big, it's too big for a manager to deal with all those players. So it's his job straight away to get rid of those players. You know, that is, I mean, he's talking about who does what, that is one of his jobs straight away is to get on the phone and start doing deals and start moving some of those players. I'm sure they will have already identified who do you want to keep. And I'm sure they'll have different gradients and they never really got into Player Pacific. San Joe's name was mentioned because the reporter mentioned it. But I mean, Rooney's name came up from what was said. It did feel like Wayne Rooney would be leaving the club. But you know, brands basically said he's got an opportunity to leave the club and it did feel like it was like it's up to Wayne. We, you know, almost like saying we're happy with them to leave. It's up to Wayne. Yeah. Oh, and there was a Freudian slick from Mark O'Shores as well. Did he say Atalanta or Atalanta? Atalanta. But he said the deal was already done when I arrived. He did, yeah. The deal was in place. Well, it is in place. It is in place. It is in place. It's up to Wayne, isn't it? Wayne wants to play football. That's what we're led to believe. He wants to play football. He's not going to be guaranteed to play at Everton. So, you know, and I've done a lot of, and we'll do this on a different video, but I've done a lot of soul searching. No. Like Disha, John or Mark O'Shores and I've watched lots of clips of our teams playing that. And everyone knows I love Wayne Nune. And I still think Mark O'Shores could get a tune out of him, but the way Silver's teams are set up in general, it's a big ask for Wayne to play in the high-pressing and things. So, yeah, I mean, what I find really interesting was though, and I liked it, what Bran said, if he goes, we want him to come back here. Because I think that knowledge and that experience and that will to win, we need that in our club. OK, if Wayne's not going to be part of the team and he's going to go and have another experience, fine, but he comes back here. Because that's a Dutch way. But also, though, that's what Liverpool did with Gerard and he integrated them into the under-19. And they've got a future plan for him, and I was going to Ranges, but they've got a plan for him. So, that almost feels like that's a sweetness for him. Do you know what I mean? That to me sounds again like we want you to go, but the relationship is very... We want you to do this for you and for us, but we don't want to lose the relationship and we will prove that by having this position ready for you when you come back. And if you want to stay, you can, but this is probably best for that. That's probably how you've failed at the questions room. I think the thing is, as well, when we're looking at this and people go on about money and go, you know, money to spend, I don't think the spending is an issue. No. The spending isn't an issue. The wage bill is an issue because whether people like it or not, there's a wage cap almost doubled, isn't it? Exactly. The wage bill has gone through the roof, but it's got to fit in with the percentage of your money. So, it doesn't matter even if it's coming off. But sat there going, I'll take these silver briefcases. It doesn't matter if you can show that your income's increased. So, maybe, you know, that will get him players like, wait, you know, Wayne's our biggest day, isn't it? Getting him off the wage bill frees up. I suppose another decision for Wayne is, is if Wayne wants to play more than one more season, he's not going to get that evidence. If he wants to play more than one more, he's going to have to move anyway. So, it does seem inevitable now that Wayne Rooney will probably leave the call. It looks that way. It looks that way. But that's not necessarily their decision. That's his decision now. So, we'll wait and see. Silver was, he was asked for, you know, expectations. He didn't want to be drawn into the Wofford stuff, obviously. Obviously, there's a lot of ongoing stuff with that compensation stuff. So, we probably can't say too much. But he was asked about going back for players. Again, he just didn't want to, he was scared around the question. But expectations was interesting on where he, you know, what can you achieve and what do you think he is expected of you. And I thought the way he answered that was really good because, you know, when he's been, I played against him and he said the atmospheres were good. And he said, you know, the more, he always said the more, it was almost like the more fans make noise about stuff, the more the bigger the club is. And I think that's what he was basically relating to was fans probably moan more or ask more questions because they expect more because they think of it in a big club. So, he was, you know, he's taken that on board from the start and I thought that was a really good way of getting that across. Yeah, and it's an important thing to understand. It's something I don't think Sam Allardyce understood at all. Do you know? And so, there's a fine balance isn't it, but he understands how big a club everything is. That's what you need to do. And you almost have to... Rybeto had it to a certain extent, but you've almost got to look past when people try and put obstacles in the way. Sam Allardyce tried to put obstacles there. David Moyes is good at job as he done. Put some obstacles there as well because it was about reflecting on them. Yeah. Rybeto broke a couple of them down but didn't really, wasn't able to back it up a little bit. Yeah. With the shouldn't be. And to be fair to Rybeto Martin, as he said this towards the end of the season, I think with the Newcastle game, we were on live and he was in the studio and he said everything should be challenging for Cubs. They should be at least attempting to win the league. Now it's a laugh, people are laughing, laugh and go win the league. But you've got to have that ambition. You haven't got that ambition if you go, my ambition is to finish sixth. Well, why isn't your ambition to finish first if it's sixth, fine. I also think that, I think what happens as well is, the club has a whole set ambitions out because they're more realistic because they're coming from a business point of view or whatever. And a lot of managers, a lot of the good managers will almost test the club on that and say, well, I'm good. Just because you want to finish there we're given so much money to finish there. It doesn't mean we can't do better than that. And I don't think any manager of the last few years has been prepared to do that and almost said, well, just because he wants to finish there, I want to finish. I want to, do you know what I mean? I think I've done it for a while, I've put their own obstacles in their own way and managers have been happy to hide behind those obstacles. Ronald Cooman did the same. So I'm not saying Mark or Silver would do that, but I'm just saying it's nice if a manager came out and said, you know what, forget it. We're not putting our obstacles in our own way. We're going to just try and do what we can. I mean, David Moy has done a brilliant job. I love him. Yeah, he got things wrong. I was critical of him at times. I didn't know probably all the way. But he had us, he had us doing better than what our money should have been. Which is fine because really that's what everyone should strive to do. You should strive to do. Just because you've got all the money in the world you still should strive to do better. Man City realistically should have done much better than they've done if you look at the resources they've had. This year they were outstanding, but in general they should have been doing that for years. But it's competition. Football anything can happen, hence why teams like Swansea were bottoming the league beat Liverpool when Liverpool were absolutely flying. It's a game of football. You should never go into games beating. And I think some of the managers we've had have put that across. Not really expected to get anything to me. And I don't think you play like that. I think you have to play with. We can beat these. We've had that last season. We had that with acceptable defeats. So a manager has to turn around to the person and say no did I know acceptable? No I'm the manager. As an owner do you want acceptable defeats? That's fine. And if that's what buys me time to get on with my job then that's fine. But as a manager I don't have expected because that just filters down all the way. It goes into the players who go well this game doesn't matter and then suddenly that it's the fans. And then if you want it it's the fans. We've all done it. We've all done it. We've gone away and gone. Last year when we went to Amfield they were scoring 5s and 6s every game it seemed. We went 7-0 the game before us. And you go there going we're terrible because we were. We looked like we can't keep clean sheets and now we've had a couple but it seemed a struggle. And you start thinking right well you know if we get out of here with 2 or 3-0 that's not the way. 2 or what? But that's what I'm saying though. It filters down once it hits the fans once it hits the fans then it's done because once fans and you know we sit here guilty as anyone once it hits the fans then there's no coming back from that because once fans start accepting that. I'm not saying listen you can get beaten any football match. It's where it's honked every now and then. One thing of football is you will be beaten. It's as simple as that. You will be beaten. It manifests itself and the reaction after it. The reaction is a big one. To answer your question I know I took us off in a different route but to answer your question I thought he did handle the expectation thing quite well. He's ambitious. One of the things he said was he was asked a question on video kind of and they were quite proven questions actually. A good question. Coming from Evertonians and Evertonians. He asked them out longevity because he said you haven't been anyway for any length of time. A season is the most or a couple of seasons. After Estherill. He had Estherill for 12 years. He basically asked them he was like well this is a project he said it's not even a one two three it's a four five. So be interested in that. I mean that's got to I suppose I like that where you're thinking in terms of like well I'm here as long as as long as you back me on me. As long as I'm back then I'm here and hopefully that's the case. We'll have to wait and see on that because you bring a manager in who's got a record of moving on from places then don't be surprised if he moves on from the place. But you hope that doesn't happen. You hope it's a case of this is the place I want to be. I finally found somewhere I've got someone with me who's going to help me do the job and if I'm back this could be really really good because that's coming off the back of a weekend where Pocitino's been getting oh it's Real Madrid, Real Madrid. No, I'm happy. I'm doing my job and you just hope there's a little bit of that in it. Yeah I mean manager's move on in football that's the way it is and there'll be whether we like it or not there's almost like a food chain in football. Hence why you want to delete what for them to come to evidence because evidence are bigger. You know and this is what some fans don't get when you talk about club size and you know your west hands your lesters they would try to think they're bigger than evidence and all that because they've had that one season where it worked out for them. Evidence are big club so if he comes in and does really well and Real Madrid come knocking he's going to go if that's what he wants. Right and that's the way and that's why Marcel Brand is in place really to try and make sure that everything ticks over. But you know it's easy to look at him and go he doesn't stay anywhere very long. I think he had three years as esterel manager after being a player for nine. He went to sport in Lisbon and won the cup finished third and they shocked him because they wanted Porto's manager to try to win Porto. He then went to Greece and absolutely bleached their league broke the record winning 17 straight games from the start of the season to the European record and he left there because he wanted it he just wanted it and there was other stuff going on in the Olympiacus and he could see it coming so he got himself out of there he'd replaced the Porto guy at me. Yeah, yeah. And then obviously he went to Holland and they were dead and very dull. They were gone when you go and look at them they'd won one game and they were bottom. Yeah. They had 13 players you know and he wielding deals and he got them to within the last couple of games of the season and he got beat around by Sunderland because Pickford had a Weldy and that kind of set them down but he done really well there and then he went to Wafford and was like this is alright but within reading a lot of stuff about him and Wafford and within a few weeks of that they'd gone back on stuff they'd said and they sold a player on him that he said he wanted to keep and bought a player and he didn't know anything about and said you've got a player and he was like nah and then he went out in the media and was asked a question and he was quite he's a little bit merino like and he's quite straightforward so they said were you happy with the transfer window and he said no because we didn't do that and then there was a little bit of they weren't happy that he doubted them he wasn't happy because they didn't give them the thing so that's the test for him then everything come along but we mustn't ignore that before everything come along they were brilliant they were absolutely brilliant go and watch Chelsea Wafford highlight it ends 4-2 it should have been about 6-1 to Wafford it's just ritualising missing out on goals left like and so on but I don't worry about stuff like that too much I'm not it doesn't worry me what's gone on before or such you know what I mean it's just the case of what happens now if he's found a destination where he thinks you know what these are a big club the fans have backed him they get a big and I can build something here with that money I'm quite sure his final destination is never in football club he's gone on that's my dream job he might look at it might be Barcelona it might be Real Madrid it might be Ben Thffy who knows but he wants to prove himself in England and that was said earlier on in his career even when he was in sport in Lisbon he'd done an interview and said I want to go to the Premier League it's the biggest so if he comes in here and goes I'll be back then he builds everything in the right direction and we have a bit of we need a bit of stability I'd love to be I'd love to be sitting here in a few years time worried about Real Madrid all that I remember doing an interview with someone when we got cumin and it was like managers leave one way or another they either leave for a bigger club or they get sacked so it's whatever happens I remember when we used to fear that man is would go to Barcelona and then we were fearing that cumin would go to Barcelona both managers got sacked so I wouldn't even I'm not even asked about that one time you just made a really good point about Pasatino everyone was going these Real Madrid managers his dance going he's the man he's just come out and gone on the map and then they put a store and we weren't really considering them anyway but you know managers as well I mean do the thing about it if Madrid went to Liverpool for a club do the thing about it as well just on the same subject is that at some point in his life he's going to want to put roots down you know just imagine like from his Mrs's point of view or his kids point of view I don't even know if he's married and I don't even know if he's got kids and I'm just saying that but moving school to school to school to school and all those kind of things at some point you just go can we just live somewhere for a few years while the kids get the education or whatever do you know what I mean just those simple things you want to just put down some roots at some point hopefully that's evident but obviously just there's a caveat that he's got to do the business here yeah of course this is all we're just going off what he said which is really positive and I think we feel all we all feel a little bit happier after what's gone on the previous season so I'm just that I mean I'm happy that that this is the map seems like it's been the map for a while do you know what I mean it doesn't seem like in the last few weeks it just seems like everything's clarified and gone well no you know that fella was never that one was never been we've gone after the fella that we've always been interested in and there's been no every day in the papers it's well it was like a little bit like well but there's nothing really a couple weeks ago it was like it's silver and everyone knew it was going to be silver and then and it just felt like it's been silver for a while it makes you laugh it makes me know someone and our tether was interviewing you like so that's good so that for me is a really important thing they mentioned as well the player decisions massive brands and he said well that's something we need to get he said there's no point in me buying a player that he doesn't like so I thought that was good as well I thought without going into it too much I thought that the distinction was made quite early on they didn't go into what their jobs were obviously but I thought that distinction was made quite early on even when he just said I was in on Friday I was on the phone all day to agents I thought yeah that's your job he doesn't have to deal with that you do and that's your job that's not in the past that would have been Bill or Elston no that's your job and you're like no no and I think that was quite good and I thought straight away with the player decisions but this is something we do together I thought that was good straight away as well and again there's no one you know we were still saying probably in March just a few months ago who bought the players was it Walsh was it Allardyce was it Cuman with the earlier players or was it Walsh now just today day one they've gone we do it together and I'm talking to agents he's got a sort of squad out and we'll make any decisions on the players together so no one can go brands bought him we know that the management team have bought him and they both agreed it that's better because then there's no them stories aren't there to write them do you know what I mean I thought it was very positive and I just like the I like the feel of brands so far be fairy I think straight away it just feels like he's the man in control like coming on Friday going round you know I don't Steve Walsh I don't know what he did I still don't know whether he had an offer since Finch Farm and whether he was the main man I just feel straight brands you know there's pictures of him going round Liverpool city centre on Saturday you know trying to get a feel for the place that he's living 20 minutes away from Finch Farm yesterday he's at Amfield and he's watching the game and I thought a little thing on that as well is at our time and I like this he didn't he just sat in his seat he didn't go down and get a bit of the buffy or go and have a little he just sat in his seat on his phone all through our time and I thought that was really interesting like because other people would have been like you know five minutes four and a half times getting tucked into the no he just sat there on his phone the entire time and I thought you've come here for the 40 you've come here for the 40 and even if it was just not to do with everything even it was just well hang on there's an international game and at a stadium in the city I live in I like that I like the fact that he just seemed to focus on the 40 so I thought that was really interesting so straight away I get the feeling that he's going to be someone who's going to be really into everything into everything at the club and not someone you just see skating round the outside because that's what Walsh felt like yes you know he's seen him when he went to Italian but he always felt like he was just skating round like he whereas this fellow just looks like I'm actually in control and straight away I think that's really good I think that the thing the experience of how he's done stuff is massive for us he's done it he's done the job you know what I mean you can't buy that experience well if we just bought it you can't buy it and pass it on but we bought the person who's got the experience we haven't bought the experience have we so he knows what he's looking for he knows he's got to be made some self in the club there's lots that need to change in having a football club on that side of it and he's very very proactive and that's what you want you want someone who goes and determined if I was the owner of having a football club I want someone that's going to come in and go I'm going to give you everything to make this club join that elite so to speak I can do it given time it's going to be very very best to try and get us there and we're going to get into everything there's no barriers because we can break them down wherever barriers there are we might have to be clever it might take a few years we might have to build but I can get us there I don't want someone coming in going they're established they're all rich it's established clubs it's going to be difficult this because what's the point football is about dreaming football is about going those are probably the best the best example you can use because everyone else I know Tottenham has spent money but everyone else has spent a lot of money Tottenham have done it well in the deal and they've done it the right way they've had a wage structure they haven't broke hence they've lost players like people like that but they've gone on and just they're doing it their own way and by doing it their own way they're now becoming established in the champions league no one would have said years ago a few years ago there was us in them but also the stadium situation that was very much like our one where it was like they're never going to get that build they're never going to get that build for whatever reason stadiums nearly done they're getting really big sponsors involved now they've got a big lucrative deal with Nike it all follow if you've got a good football team and you're putting yourself in a position where you are in the champions league then the big sponsors will come and you'll be able to pay for the Nike shiny stadium and all those things and I think that's what it took space a while to find that formula they messed about but once they got the manager in he pulled it all together and the other fellas doing the stuff behind the scenes and it's the same at Liverpool as well the managers brought them all together but there's a fella in the background doing all that stuff everything spins off if you get it right on the pitch if you start playing nice football and winning games everyone's exciting comes back when everyone's exciting comes back the club's unified when the club's unified you're excited to get in the ground to spend money in the shop to buy and to turn over increases people are... you're excited to put on a match day the last few months we can all go and we're home and you go to a match and get in the seat literally as Zeg has started or as they were ready to kick off 10-5 game finishes you're on your way home because there's no you know what we were like we'd come in and be like there's just no belief that we're on a kind of journey we just seem to be just bobbing till the end of the season I think what we want now is we want these two men to build something start building something that helps us build that community again pull everyone in the right direction because I think for too long it's been like it's far people are just I don't believe in this and I don't believe in that I don't believe in the manager I don't believe in Walsha, I don't believe in the system I don't believe in the players it's about just going wherever it was they'll come it's just about going like that bringing everybody together I think you can still have your difference of opinions but I just think if everybody's just going in the right direction that creates a bigger thing so that you can still have so that when you when the game's finished what you're not saying is we've had far too much of this is well it's his fault no it's not and there's been far too much of that about recently and for a long time it's not the manager's fault it's not his fault it's the director of football's fault let's hone it all in so it's like at the end of the game you can go we need a new whatever we need a new writeback so it's about the people on the pitch put all the things in place so that you can go well ultimately it's about getting a new sentiment at the end of the day we're going to lose games and there's going to be bumps in the road on this we have to back everybody we have to look at it and go right we've got a new chief executive we've got a new director of finance we've got someone on the stadium farads pulling everything in together and this is the director of football he's wanted for two years this is the manager he's wanted since last october get like you said a unified ever with fans joined up with the team we're a better side the other shower but what they do really well cos clubs pulled it together is they're all on the same journey they might not all agree with everything you don't expect to agree with everybody but in general you're all going in the same direction and I think now that things are being pulled out like else don'ts gone bills haven't less influenced walsh has gone now it's like this is almost like everything it's a clean slate measure it from now let's all move forward let's back them 100% or as much as you can and see where it goes ultimately it might fail it might do but you know what if you don't you know you miss it 100% of the shot you don't take things like that you might as well back it get on board and everyone you know I remember going so many away games seeing an everton fan and you were like and you were all together now there's like people arguing games even the home game we all want the same thing we all want to see our team win that's all we want and we need to get that feeling of we're all in this together let's see where it takes us who knows where it can take us let's be positive and move forward let us know your thoughts in the comments Marcel Brands, Marco Silva's first press conference together they're both in the jobs it starts now that is all your thoughts, we'll see you later