 So well, I'm here with my daughter. She knows that I'm a gardener master gardener by training a master gardener I don't know what a master gardener. We're different levels. I'd have what I call a soft master gardener Okay, okay, thank you so much My name's time I lean I lean I got a good friend name Good, it's a good name. It is a good name. It is a good name. Is it spelled it? How does it spell it? I E I L E E M. That is the correct way. Okay, fantastic. We're on it. We're on a great note already So basically a five minute timer We talk about whatever you want to talk about normally the best conversations or something that like really motivates you Is there's something that you find like everyone should do or like a philosophy left around your life around or like Something you find like really meaningful anything like that like something that's important to you So I should ask you why did you choose this location? It's just really peaceful the people who walk by tend to be more in a pensive mode Okay, and if I did this in like I've done this on campuses before and the kids there have to go to school when the Bell like goes off or they're like meeting a friend This is like the people who come here have time to have a really nice time So I'm here with my daughter. She knows that I'm a gardener master gardener by training A master gardener by training. I don't know what a master gardener. Well, we're there different levels I'd have what I call a soft master gardener Because I don't and I don't keep up with my certification every year, although I probably meet the hour requirements for the number of volunteer hours they do for Master gardening is this recognized by the state or is this like a I'm from the state of Pennsylvania. Okay, so If I kept up with it would be acknowledged by one of our Conservancies, but I do not have this date certification. Okay, okay, which is I really respect people who do it It is a little bit harder and you have to know more anatomy and support But I became a gardener because my family went through some difficult times Oh, and so I worked through everything by redoing my yard Uh-huh and to give you an idea of what a difference it makes I spent about $500 on this yard and my real estate agent told me I added $10,000 worth of value to my home for where I lived. That's good though We live here about for oh, absolutely. Yeah, but that wasn't why I did it I did it primarily to soothe my own soul and I sooth my family's soul as well What is it about gardening that makes it soothing to like Who will you are a person who had all that stuff? Well, I think if you're having a bad day and you go and sit out and see birds flying around or butterflies or the colors or If there's a water feature you have what it's all Just is a break from the concrete jungle we can all be I can feel that Can I throw something out at you? Sure. I normally ask questions that are just like If someone said they like pretzels, I'd be like you like chip or what about chips? Stuff like just like a just a devil's advocate but in like a nice way So I'm guessing like could a blind person enjoy gardening. Absolutely. I think you could because the textures Okay, okay, so there's other sensations other than sites like birds and colors and stuff that you can get out of yeah You can find soothing right is it and they have adaptive gardens some places for people for example Who may have physical limitations? Okay, they can do adjustments for that. So I don't say why Can I ask you a weird question? No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Come on. I'm thinking like You can get those joys out of gardening without having to become a master gardener. Couldn't you? Oh, yes So what motive do you need to go to that level? I started doing volunteer work because I notice I really only remember the names of plants if I've worked with them Okay, or if they really strike some fancy in me. I may remember like they really I just like wow I just love that plant the night I learn it It's probably the way that a lot. I have my family members or me Imature musicians, but okay, they like if they hear a song they like they learn how to do it I can learn how to grow plants that I'd like so as I was volunteering somebody's One of my peers was going to go through master carnival stuff. Oh come on. Come do it with me. I was like, oh, okay Okay, how how deep does your level of understanding of like a plant go? Do you like go to like the top? Metabolics and stuff like that or is it doing training, but I don't remember that I do remember More of the generalities of it And that's why you have the internet because if you know what you're looking for you don't have to remember all the details You can always go look it up again. Okay. Okay. I guess my last question is What would you say is for you a personal benefit from you know guarding like if you have to condense it down to just one thing? Like this is why everyone should do it But this is what that we discussed that already like you can get a lot of soothing but for you personally What did you get out of it like that you think no one else could like what's your unique experience with guarding that you got? I don't think I don't think that's true. I think whatever I get anybody else Could get okay, but with one word. I'd say meditative I like that cool I wouldn't thank you so much for the time You can learn about a lot of fun thing. I do I really do it's really nice. I also learned that I can talk to anybody Can too Oh what You