 Welcome to the Knuckleheads of Liberty. Chips thing, I tell you, with Taiwan, so pressing on everybody's mind and the idea of a potential invasion from China, or at the very least a disruption of the chips that are produced in Taiwan from making it out to the rest of the world. It's got the United States lawmakers thinking about, well, why don't we make those things here? So they're putting aside a bunch of money to do that, and it's one of these government things. I mean, for a libertarian, how much should government be involved in funding things like this? Obviously, most libertarians, I think, who are not anarcho-libertarians are at the very least okay with government having an army to defend us. Does this sort of fall in that? I mean, if all the chips are coming from some place that might be captured by your enemies, should we be doing something about it? And if we do do it, is that still going to result in chips that are worth a day on this? You know, government is behind them, or is it just going to result in a lot of mismanagement of things? And one other point on that as well, reason had something out as well that said, hey, even if you fund this chips act, you may not have the talent here to work on that because of our immigration restrictions on some of the people who are actually the knowledgeable people we might want here working on that. Anyways, what do you guys think about this whole chips act? Tim, ready to go, yes. Okay. Yeah, outside of a couple of articles, I don't like it from just the whole idea of the government being involved in any of this kind of ridiculous stuff, like, you know, this whole innovation thing of we're already so far behind in chip making technology. It's ludicrous to think throwing money at it's going to make it all of a sudden, you know, just, you know, chips are going to rain down from heaven like Nana. And so it's, first of all, you have that issue, then, you know, just the whole, I mean, they're just, I don't know where to begin. They're taking money to throw at innovation, the innovating and high tech cutting edge products. And if somewhere else in the world, they're better at doing that than we are, then, sorry, that's just the way it goes. I mean, it's not, not any different than many other things. And so, and okay, so what if you're so the big bad boogeyman China, they get they capture Taiwan and then also what are they going to do horde the chips. Okay. That was that what they're going to do that we're afraid of. Okay, then start start over then you're starting over now. I mean, at least you might get some refugees out of Taiwan to to put into, you know, if you would allow them to come into the country. I know they're not from Mexico. So it's like they're, they're, they're not, you know, migrant farm workers. So maybe you would have an issue with that. But now I'm just kidding. But yeah, you've got to be able to let those people in and from other countries to if you're looking for talent. And so, but, you know, that's just freedom, that's just looking at freedom, but this whole throwing money away that's not freedom that's opposite of freedom that's taking money from other people. You're not supposed to the federal government is not in the chip making business, not in the Constitution. They're not in the chip making business. So they don't have that power. And so, and I don't put this under security. You know, if that's just nonsense. Yeah, yeah, we need, we need to have the best chips around to, to, you know, to guide our guided missiles to their, you know, appointed target but, you know, we're just going to have to look, look for other ways. I'm sorry. So, so, so, I mean, I think, I think most of us, all of us, Liberty minded libertarians, whatever, will agree that we need an army to defend us, to defend our sovereignty. I think everybody would agree with that. Right, Tim. I had, okay, I'm worried about standing armies and I'm siding with the original framers with that worry. The big, huge standing army is not a good thing. Navy's okay. Marine Corps part of the Navy. This whole Air Force thing too, it's kind of land based stuff. And so, for the most part, so I'm not. I'm a little bit worried about the Air Force too. So, you know, I, I, if you want to have an army, it doesn't have to be so big like ours is, I don't think. Okay, let me, let me, let me, let me ask you a question then. So you agree, though, that some configuration, whatever it is, whatever the size, some configuration of a military, we need to defend us. You agree with that? Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, within limitations set forth by the Constitution. So if not, if the chips, if the chips, the nanotechnology, yes, is not available to us or whatever it is, or we don't have enough of it or we're not making enough of it. Yes. If that is not available, is that not a national security threat? Yeah, it is from, from that standpoint, but that doesn't say that's not saying that you can take money. Basically, they're going to print the money. We know that. Let's stop. Yeah, we know that. That doesn't mean that you can indent future Americans to pay for it, because that's not your, your, your power is to find the chips somewhere else. You know, if you've got to buy them and to make them here. No. Okay, unless the government, which is not empowered to do is going to be in the chip making business. They're just, they're all, it's always the same thing. They take money out of the economy and then pay private enterprise to make stuff for them. And what if it's asphalt for the, for the freeway system, if it's a mailbox for the mailbox system, it's some private entity being paid with money from other. So the government's moving the money from another entity, one American and giving it to another. And that's essentially what this is. They're moving money from one American, giving it to another, and I don't think they have that power. They can buy the chips. They just move it here made somewhere else. That's fine. And that's what they've been doing, but they, they, but to be in the business of causing the chips to be manufactured. And, well, I guess, okay, I guess you can say well what about the bullets and the bombs and the planes and then the submarines what about those. You took, you took the words out of my mouth. I was just gonna, I was just gonna ask you about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And you can make a big, I guess you could make a good point about that. I guess I made my own counterpoint. Yeah, you did. You did. Yeah. In general, in general, I agree with you. I agree with you about the government being part of this innovation of chips and all that kind of stuff. All the nanotechnology that's involved. I mean, the government is not innovated at doing nothing. Okay. The only, they're not even good at taking money from one group of citizens and giving it to another. They do a lousy job at even doing that. But, but if there is a national security threat with these issues about the chips, what should we do about it? Yes, on one hand, we have liberty and freedoms and all that kind of stuff and what the government is entitled or what does the constitutional law the government to do on one hand we have those things. And on the other hand, we have the national security threat, which the federal government is certainly entitled to take care of. They're authorized. They're authorized. They're authorized to do that. So where do those two things come together? All right. Okay, let's assume that that's correct that they are authorized to, like you said, to use your words to take care of that. So what role are they playing when they come to the, to that issue of taking care of it? Are they some government entity kind of coming up with these new ideas or, I mean, where are the new ideas for these chips coming? Well, I think most likely what's happening is they're just subsidizing the industry. So they're essentially giving free money to incentivize them to build the stuff here. I think that's most likely what's happening. That's the intent. No, that's exactly the intent. Well, it's not free money. It's not free money. Okay, we work in our ass off. Yeah, yeah. But from their perspective, it's free money. They just have to fill out the right government form and it just rains our money down on them. Yeah, exactly. I was just going to say, you know, maybe the one way to think about this first before showering them with our money. Maybe we ought to think about what could we be doing that makes it more attractive just for people to do business here? Because I was just looking at the per capita income, the purchasing power parity that's listed out there. And in Taiwan, it's not that much different than what it is here in the U.S. So why are these things being made in Taiwan and not here in the first place? And I'm guessing it's probably because we have a lot of stupid government rules that if we could just get rid of some of those, these things might be being built here in the first place. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the chip makers in the United States are the losers. They're the ones, they're way back in the pack as far as technological chip development. So we're getting more money to the losers. Okay. Is that what we're, is that our great idea here? And so I'm worried about, okay, so I'm going to side with Leon and say we've got to do something about this from a national security standpoint. I know the Marine Corps is looking into high technology and changing everything in the Marine Corps in their force design 2030 program. And so that is going, you know, and I'm warming up to that program more and more. And that's all about what Leon's talking about here, about moving forward with high technological solutions to these defensive problems as they come up in the future. And I want these, you know, I want the Navy and the Marine Corps and all the other, the other guys, Army and the Air Force, and that I don't like so much. But I want them to be able to, you know, to be in front here, not back in the pack. So I don't know how I was throwing money into the companies that are way behind going to bring them up. I don't know. I mean, the whole concept that we have, the whole concept of the chip arc is a stupid idea tonight. I totally agree with you on that because that's a very, very stupid idea. The only point is, is that I think the federal government is authorized to defend the whole sovereignty. Okay. Okay, yeah. I'll go with that for sure. All right. So if they authorize to defend our sovereignty and those not, not having chips, not having those chips or that nanotechnology. If that is not, if they don't have that available to them, then I don't know how they will fulfill that constitutional application. I mean, continue. That is, that is my only point. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness always.