 Good morning to everyone again, and thank you so much, Councilor McDowell, Councilor DeVall, Councilor Davis. Thank you all so much for all the support and guidance that we received on this recommendation. Really, you know, we discussed in our previous meeting that we were going to have Dr. Donaldson as well as Rodman to evaluate the names that they had initially recommended to us and potentially evaluate those, scale those down and provide some recommendations for you all to review and assess in preparation for you all taking them back to the full council. So really, I want to turn this over to Dr. Donaldson and Robin to get us started. So Dr. Donaldson, I don't know whether you want you or Robin to get us started. Oh, good morning, everyone. Thank you for the opportunity. Reverend McDowell, you remember that famous conversation between Elisha and Elijah? And after that conversation, and at one point, Elijah tells Elisha, you ask of me a hard thing. And I feel some ways that might be an appropriate scripture lesson this morning. We've been asked to do a hard thing as relates to recognizing individuals and trying to think of creative ways to acknowledge and document our history. And so as part of, Robin and I have done a lot of deliberating. And there are so many worth worthy individuals that we could talk about and we will talk about today. But we're still of the mind that a perhaps a creative way to include as many persons as possible is to develop a general name for a part that will be very intentional in having multiple histories represented and reflected in the part. And I want to, before I talk about what I have, Robin and I think is a good suggestion and certainly willing to entertain thoughts and even pushback on it, I want to read a letter that was sent to me well before Bull Street Park was ever thought about. It's a letter written by a woman named Freddie Johns, who is a former resident of the Book of Washington Heights community. She is the great, great granddaughter of a man named Hillard Bell, who we had discussed in one of our earlier meetings. Mr. Bell was born during the period of reconstruction and he was a laborer and a cook in the state hospital property and he raised his family there. So Mrs. Johnson wrote me this maybe two years ago. She said, when the stadium was being built, city officials did a media campaign asking the citizens to write a letter giving suggestions for a name for the new stadium. My mom had me to write a letter on her behalf. I wrote to Mayor Benjamin and city council. The suggestion from her mother was that we name the Firefly Stadium the people's stadium. She said, first, for all the Columbia citizens who will pay for it, also an honoring of the hospital staff and for the medical team and other supporting employees who care for the patients and for the patients who lived and died on that property and even for the state prisoners who were buried near the site. My mom even had a vision that her grandfather would have a bronze sculpture erected on the premises in his honor. My mom said with a sigh, I am the last person living who knows this history. Mama said there's something about history. It gets lost if we don't talk about it and things like that matter. So inspired by Ms. Freddie Johnson's mother, Rob and I were of the mind that perhaps an appropriate name would be just that, Citizens Park. It is responding to a citizen writing this letter years ago, but it also reflects something else. An important civil rights group in this city was a group called the Richland County Citizens Committee. It's not widely known now, but it was established in the mid-1950s by people like Majesca Monteith Simpkins, Mr. AP Williams Jr., and people like Mr. Oliver Washington, who was a deacon at the Zion Baptist Church. This group was a staunch civil rights organization, and they actually achieved multiple victories, but two things I want to underscore this morning. One thing they called for was improved mental health facilities and resources for African Americans. They challenged racial segregation in mental health facilities. In the mid-1960s, Majesca Simpkins and other people like Ms. Beatrice McKnight and others actually engineered a television conference on the Bull Street property, where they walked the mayor and they walked the governor through these properties to acknowledge the poor conditions, the poor conditions of these facilities. Then they went further out Farrell Road as well. The other thing they did in the mid-60s as Columbia was being seeking an all-American city status, they very much said there is a real dark spot or sort of black eye in the city. They said that the parks, city parks for African Americans are clearly unequal to those of the white facilities. So they pushed for greater improvements and investment in parks in African American neighborhoods. Now, that last piece, I never knew. In fact, I never knew it until we were given this task to look at this history. So here we have a civil rights organization founded by prominent people in the city who advocated for improved mental health facilities and better parks for all citizens. So you asked of us a hard thing. I don't know anything that has been as challenging as this, but to have these pieces come together, a group founded by prominent people who engage in improving facilities for all citizens and to have this letter coming from Freddie Johnson that was not even associated with this campaign has pushed me in this direction. Now, we say all this in part because we recognize that there's a lot of excitement about a name, a specific name. And so recognizing that, Robin and I have also looked very closely at that list. And if we do not move in a direction of a citizen's park, there are some other very strong alternatives as well. So I'll turn that over to Robin. So we, thank you, thank you, Bobby, as always encapsulates beautifully and eloquently. As we presented a few months ago, we compiled a list of individuals who certainly could be considered. What I wanted to do is just walk through that list again. So that you could see if we were to do something like a citizen's park, that would include potentially a series of wayside signs, much like what has been done by Columbia SC 63 on Main Street, as well as in our outdoor museum at the Mann-Simon site. If we can kind of think about that as a type of experience that people who visit that park, not just for recreation, but also to get a really in-depth picture of the black experience specifically within the Department of Mental Health broadly, but also on that campus. So I think Eric has said I could show my screen. So just in terms of for some context, you can see down here at the bottom of this early map of Columbia, this is the Bull Street campus, this is the Babcock building and the Robert Mills Lunatic Asylum. So this would have been Bull Street and Calhoun Street. You can see just north of the campus, the Wallace estate. So this was a plantation owned by W.H. Wallace, who in addition to owning this land owned humans. And one of the prominent families that emerged from the Wallace plantation, again on this site was the Thompson family. From Clarissa and her husband, Samuel were enslaved on this plantation and there are individuals from their family specifically who have connections to the Bull Street campus beyond their familial roots to that place physically. And you can see kind of outlined here, Samuel Benjamin Thompson was one of four delegates elected to the 1868 Constitutional Convention, served in the House of Representatives. And he also served on the Board of Regents for the state asylum in 1873. Another of the Thompson children, E.B. Thompson was a steward at the asylum during much of the reconstruction era. Caroline Thompson Alston, you may know from the store that is on Jervais Street that Jennifer Clyburn just recently acquired. Is also a member of that family. And then the daughter of Samuel Thompson, Carissa Thompson Allen is or was during reconstruction, one of the key literary figure who wrote about Columbia. So this is a family that has very deep kind of roots to that site specifically in a variety of ways and would be a way that we could really begin. I think if we're looking even from 1810 as a start period for telling a story of the experience on the site, this would be a starting point for us. Alonso McClain is another individual who we have mentioned. He was likely also owned by the Wallace family as connected to the Thompson family as part of the Wallace estate. So it's likely that he also spent part of his youth on the grounds of the asylum. He did attend Benedict Institute in Columbia is best known for his integration of the Naval Academy in 1873. Paige Ellington, we've talked at length about and I think Dr. Donaldson and I when we're looking at potential individuals to name for the park if this committee and council ultimately doesn't decide to go forward with the citizens park. Paige Ellington certainly is one of our top recommendations for an individual. It really integrals in the construction and kind of the physical footprint of the Bull Street campus, but also very involved in Columbia in a variety of ways through his church, through leadership as an elected official and also in the Arsenal Hill neighborhood. He wasn't trained as an architect but certainly is credited with designing many of the buildings on the campus as well as the original spire at First Presbyterian Church, which was not there today but is credited with a lot of key structures in that campus on campus. William Nash also a reconstruction era legislator was on the board of regents for the asylum. Again, has a connection to the site but also has a long and storied history in Columbia for a variety of the initiatives. JD Harris was the assistant physician at the asylum. It was a relatively short-lived stay at on the campus but it was a really key appointment of a black physician to the site and also the story of why and how it was so short-lived is certainly important or the story again of a black professional experience in Columbia and on the campus. Benjamin Campbell, we don't know a lot about Campbell. We do know that he was a gardener, as you can see from the city directory here. He was a gardener at the asylum. He was born in Slate. He lived on the front of the bulls in the streets. Definitely has a connection to the site as well. We've talked about this as an opportunity. There was quite a robust hortic therapy program at on the Bull Street campus and there's an opportunity to kind of talk about grounds, talk about that aspect of the park as well using Ben Campbell as an entry point to that story. And then just kind of broadly the work that Dr. Donaldson and his team has put together for some of our 20th century luminaries again with connections to the campus. And I've just listed the direct connections here but we have a secondary document with much more complete biographical information that we can forward along. But just in terms of looking at some of our well-known champions for civil rights and social justice, IS Levy, who was the undertaker for the state hospital and Dr. Donaldson understand that IS Levy Johnson has some stories about how that occurred. James Hinton was a chaplain at Crafts Farrow and CJ Whitaker began working for the state hospital early in his career and certainly spent 40 years there as well. And I think when we look at these individuals we're talking about the Bull Street campus but also when we look at sites like Morris Village and Crafts Farrow we're able to expand the footprint of the impact of the department beyond just the Bull Street campus. Dr. Donaldson mentioned Majestika Simpkins and the Richland County Citizens Committee. This is some of that content from her transition, the establishment from the SCNA ACP, the establishment of the Richland County Citizens Commission and some information about this really championing the cause of the conditions at the asylum campus. And I think this story really does represent an advocacy around care at the campus that I think carries through today that an organization like Able SC would be well equipped to help to elaborate on that story for looking for additional partners down the road. And that's just in terms of some of the folks that Dr. Donaldson has identified as our citizens of impact, who your bell who was mentioned initially as an inspiration for the naming here, Dr. John Bull who was the first African-American member of the Board of the Mental Health Commission and had a long career in that position. And then Dr. Harry Wright, who was one of the individuals who founded the African-American Studies Program at the University of South Carolina, but also has very significant ties to mental health and specifically the Hall Institute, which is part of. So kind of those, I think we would identify as some of the individuals, again, if we're looking at creating a sort of history trail within that park system. These are examples, I think, of individuals who we would like to see included in that, but it certainly doesn't, I think, provide a complete list if we continue to dig into this. I think there are lots of stories that we could tell. One of the benefits also of having this as a broad name that encompasses a lot of stories of individuals and groups is that we have the capacity to continue to build on that, so that if a year from now, another story comes to light or somebody who we didn't initially recognize as part of this project, you could add another sign on the way. There may also be something that's web-based that could be linked to the park itself that would provide additional information. I'm gonna turn back over to Dr. Donaldson and to sort of share some of the two groups that we think if you are not interested in this direction that we would recommend as individually. So before the Citizens Committee came to our attention, Paige Ellington, I just want you to look for a moment at this man. This man helped to build parts of the Bullshree property. He was also a very prominent citizen and political figure in his own right in addition to being a worker on the property. It's an intriguing story. He is certainly worthy of recognition and further acknowledgement. And so if there is real driver push to have a distinct individual who could be memorialized on this site, you can't find a better person than someone who actually helped to build a part of the Bullshree property. And also ironically, one of the oldest homes still standing in the Arsenal Hill area on Blanding Street is actually the home of Paige Ellington. It may have actually been built by him as well. So he's certainly someone that I would encourage deep further consideration. And Robin, the next slide, if there is one more, is this one. So Clarissa Thompson featured here is buried at Randolph Cemetery. People drive past Randolph all the time, going out 126, not knowing that in that cemetery are some of the people who helped to build our city, including the Thompson family, they're all buried there. Caroline Alston was a early prominent African-American owner of a store, Orange of A Street. Her relatives were reconstruction figures. And so within this one family, you have so many different angles that could be explored on a part. Beyond the clear important piece that not only were these prominent people who were part of the reconstruction of our state who helped to build Columbia, but here were people whose roots are literally on the property of the Bullshree campus. And so again, this assignment that we've been given, Councilman McDowell, has opened up things that I actually did not know. I knew the Thompson's, I knew about Clarissa Allen, had no real acknowledgement that they were from the Bullshree community. And Paige Ellington, I'm very, very glad that we've been given the task that he can deserve much greater attention. So here we have a citizens park with the potential of acknowledging people like Paige Ellington and the Thompson's. Well, I tell you, both Robin and Dr. Donson, I tell you, you all have made our job a lot easier in terms of, in the historical context, sort of looking at, I sort of wrote down these names and put a check mark by some of the persons that sort of hit me, sort of impacted me in terms of a historical context. And one of those persons, of course, was Paige Ellington. I'd like to hear what the other members of this committee thinks, because I've got a direction, I think I'd like for us to ensue. Howard, yes, sir. Mr. Chairman, I too have two things I'd like to mention. One of them is the communication I had from Greg Pierce, who's chairman of the State Mental Health Commission, and they're going into their 200th year celebration. And he is recommending Paige Ellington and sent me a paragraph that came out of the book called Asylum Doctrine that I have read since then. And I think that certainly Paige Ellington is a worthy person, and maybe we can do a combination of Paige Ellington, Citizen Park or something like that, because I think all of these others do need to be recognized in some way and shape and form. And the other thing is I'd like just to get into the record, I had another email from a constituent that says, she proposes that we named the park New Park because of the opening up of the creek and its flowing waters demonstrate a moving on to better things and happier times. And then honor the different families and people with a trail of similar to the one we have on Main Street in Columbia. And Robin, I'd like to ask you a question, is what's the procedure? Does Richland County have some markers that are different than the state markers that go up around? We've got Matilda Evans already named on the street and there was another one, I can't remember the name, but there was another one on the list here that has already been named on the street and we need to certainly get recognition either through a Richland County historical marker or a state historical marker. And I didn't know if there were two categories of markers out there. No, there's a state historic marker program and the county certainly supports that with some of their projects. I think what we would be looking at are wayside signs that are designed by a professional team that's not necessarily falling under that state historic marker program. But markers certainly, as Dr. Donaldson and I have talked about creating this list, there are lots of opportunities on that site to name a building or street or to recognize an event or an individual. And so it doesn't have to just be limited, I think to the park would be our hope is that there are opportunities certainly to tell this story there, but also to spread this content throughout the campus itself. Well, thank you, right, Robin. One of the things that we talked about earlier and of course had a conversation with the Hughes folk, Hughes folk was that an opportunity to sort of spread this out throughout the campus and because we recognize that there are other, even when we get to the point of recognizing that person, the name of that person, there were opportunities in a conversation with Robert, of course, to metastasize this throughout the park with the naming of several individuals. So I think we're on target with that. Sam, Sam, turn your mic on. Got it, everybody, I'm a craftsman myself, but I'm intrigued with Mr. Thompson, not only living there, but actually helping to build that environment, pouring foundations and so forth. And the fact that his house still exists not too far from where he is. That's Ellen. I'm sorry. That's Ellen. That was Paige. Yeah, yeah, so, and what are we doing at Bull Street? We're bringing in more folks. It's a combination of residential living and I think there's a connection there with me. I would be influenced to go with that name in the park. Well, that's my sort of, that's what I've been thinking about as I heard about and read about Paige, Ellen. And of course, I've never written by to see that house. I think it's intriguing to have a house that is still standing. And of course, the skills that Mr. Ellington had as it related to him. And I heard, see, Sam has something and I think I agree with him in that statement is, Sam is also a craftsman. And of course, he works with his hands in terms of crafting iron and steel and whatever else. And some of those things are still there. Now, I know some of his work is relatively early, but I know that there's a gentleman in Charleston who taught him that skill and it's still there. And so I'm sort of leaning towards Paige Ellington. And I'm also intrigued with Clarissa Allen. That in itself represents, I never ever knew that she was in a Randolph Cemetery. I didn't know that. But every time I enter on to I-126, the memory now is sort of clear to me. So I think we're in a good posture. Who do we, do we want to further death? Do we want to get these names or do we want to, do we want to make a decision today? I would suggest that, I think all three of us are leaning towards Paige Ellington. And Robin, in Parker building one of his buildings, according to Greg Pierce, he built the Parker building which is up and running, I'm still there. And probably had something to do with the other buildings, Soco and Todd Avance, a restoration of the laundry and all he probably built those. Yeah, I mean, I think one of the challenges with Ellington is the, what, some level of documentation that we have of his engagement, which is not a lot. So there's a lot of anecdotal information. And those stories tend to also come from people like Babcock or we're wearing who's a general contractor who are white citizens who've worked with Ellington. So I think we need to, when we're crediting buildings be sure that we can back that up with kind of information. So Robin, what you, I think I heard you say there is not enough documented evidence for Paige Ellington or what? I think a lot of it is anecdotal, but I mean, I think we can continue to look through materials and see what we can uncover about Ellington and Bobby may have better information. I think there is a question mark about what he built at Bull Street and what's still standing. Clearly he had an impact and is credited with being very integral. But beyond that, just take note as well. I mean, Paige Ellington was a city leader in Columbia beyond being a craftsman. He was very active in public affairs in the city during reconstruction. He was associated with multiple churches in the city. If you go in the front doors of Lassen Presbyterian Church right now, when you go on the right side door, you go in, there is a marble placard on the wall that talks about Paige Ellington who led the Sunday School program in that church. So in many different ways he has, there is a record of his contributions. And we would, like Robin indicated in terms of where his imprint is on Bull Street, that will require some much more investigation. You know, I, it's, what I'm coming from is that there's a broad picture that we're trying, that we're painting and it's almost automatic. And that is people visiting the city will want to know about that location, that square. And not all, all of them will know that that wasn't fact one time, an asylum. I remember in my neighborhood in Charleston, observing the authorities come to pick up a lady as we used to say, to take her to Bull Street. I never knew what Bull Street was, where it was, we always heard about it. That's where they took her. And now I can imagine almost what her life was once she got there, she never came back home. So they kept her. So that's a mystique, I think, to visitors. It will be when they really come to Columbia and they partake in the amenities at that property as huge as it is, has to offer number one. And number two, there's a mixture there with all of the folks at Dr. Dallison and Robin has mentioned, I've worked with a lot of them over the years. Majesca, the Buddha, Buddha was Reverend Whitaker. We refer to him as the Buddha. He's where everybody went for political. Endorsement and that sort of thing. They all played a role in this city. And I came here in 60, I came to Columbia in 1967. So I've been here a while in and out of relationships with those people. And Robin, our experience on Gervais Street is one of those things that's still in my belly, where we placed a monument one day and a couple of days later, the building was gone. Church toward death. Well, I won't say who, but that was a big disappointment. So it's an example of how we can just all of a sudden wipe memories away. And people who come behind us have no idea of what went on before they got there. Washington and Assembly Street. You remember, we thought we could save that building. That one's gone. Thank God for what we're doing with the Bull Street mural that the Wall Street wall. But so I'm just saying that this guy from what we're hearing now and he invested in that acreage. He lived there, but he invested in it. And I wouldn't have a problem in paying homage to him down the road if all pans out in terms of what we need to know for justification. All right. All right. Let me ask this question, which I think is sort of pushes us along a little bit. If we had to identify three to four persons after hearing what you've heard today and of course that's engendered in your own experiences on Bull Street, what are those names that you would lift up? How? Well, I think that the Thompson family certainly would be my number two pick is because that's multiple people and it's got a great story. It's got the Wiley's ex-Wiley's plantation there. So it could be a whole nother park, a whole nother scheme down at that end of the park. Paige Ellington is my favorite. There's so many others on here. I'd hate to pick number three without having time to study and to look at further. They get pretty close after you get past Paige Ellington and the Thompson family that have multiple people in that one family. The Bell family certainly has a compelling thing. Dr. Donaldson, I see that the letter that was written to you was in 2014. So that predates our discussion by a lot. So they have been working. So I think they certainly need to be on the marker trail or however we've put signage out to commemorate these people. I would suggest that we put to the council the name of Paige Ellington for the park but also put to Dr. Donaldson and Robin the task of designing a commemorative, the first part of a commemorative trail that would be encompassing the other areas and Bull Street and the park for other markers, either state markers or welfare markers like we have on Main Street and leave that open-ended because as Dr. Donaldson said, we have turned up 15 names. Some of them we didn't know about before. And as this becomes a built out community in the Bull Street district down there, I think we're gonna probably have other families say, well, you've got the Thompson family down here that came off the Wallace-Premier-Tason and the XYZ family also did and this is what they did. So I think we have to be open-ended on this that this is not a finished product when we get the park name for Paige Ellington. That's just the beginning of the commemorations that we need to make for all these other people that also have had a tremendous influence on this development. I agree with that, makes sense. So, Mr. Chairman, I'd make a motion then that- Well, before you make a motion, let me just, let me throw out so, because on my list, of course, Paige Ellington is the person that stands, that's not born. Of course, when I look at Clarissa Thompson Allen, that in itself represents a real, I mean, that's a strong historical point. And of course, I read a little something about Dr. John Bull and of course, those names could very well be metastasized throughout the district, the Bull Street district. I also thought very, and I knew Reverend C.J. Whitaker. Whitaker was one of those guys, big guy, who did all of his politics, sitting down in a chair. And of course, when I was a young preacher there, here in Columbia, and I met Reverend C.J. Whitaker, you had to kiss his ring, no question about it. You had to kiss his ring. And he didn't say much, but look, if he was like E.F. Hutton, when he spoke, everybody sort of shut up and they wanted, they wanted to hear what Reverend Whitaker would say. So I think we've got a identified Paige Ellington. I think Robin raises a real point, and I think Dr. Donaldson raises a point in terms of the information that we have on Paige Ellington. And of course, I think the question probably will be asked about Paige Ellington. We've heard about him, we've read about him. Do we authentically put that in a historical context where we can say Paige Ellington is our choice? Because there, like you said, there are 15 other names out there that we could very well metastasize throughout this park with street namings and that sort of thing. So the direction I think would, I'm sorry, go ahead, Howard. I was just gonna ask Dr. Donaldson, there are footnotes in the book called The Asylum Doctor that referenced the Carolina library box that some of this information is in. Have we gone and dusted off that box to see what's in it? I have not. So those are the Babcock papers. And so I think you're right to delve more deeply to really just confirm the spaces he built on that property. I think those records may underscore that. Well, other than that, I'll just say too, I'm excited about all these possibilities. And again, as I said, I was very intrigued by Paige Ellington who was a real mystery to me, the Thompson family as well. And also this idea of a citizen's park. I mean, one of the things that I think was Councilman Davis mentioned, he mentioned the dedication because I was there of a historic marker honoring George Elmore. Yeah. And I was there the next day when there was a pile of stones. And one of the things that I think Robin mentioned, I think we went to mine is this initiative, I think has sparked a lot of conversation and a lot of research and it will continue to unfold. So we know George Elmore. George Elmore who challenged racial segregation in politics in 1946. But many people may not know Laura Elmore. Who is she? She's his wife. Who is she? His wife who was ultimately committed to the state hospital after having a nervous breakdown. And she lived out the rest of her life in state hospital facility. She too is buried at the Randolph Cemetery. So again, I think as these stories are unfold, we will be able to use that footprint to recognize multiple people, including Laura Elmore, who's never been given detention she deserves. I think it's got to be open-ended as we move down this trail that we're going to have a lot of people. Those names come up. But Dr. Johnson, you raised a very important point referencing the Elmores. Some years ago, I was in attendance when we erected the historical marker right there, right there by the church. And of course, the historical marker was placed there on Jervay. And the next day, to my surprise, it was gone. And I don't want to get into the tort details in terms of why it was torn down. But of course, my wife, she was there. Those bricks that was in the rubble, we collected those bricks. And I've got a number of bricks on my property here on Heights Street where that store was torn down. I think it's those kinds of efforts, Dr. Johnson. Ms. Elmore and his wife, Laura, some way in that process, there are other folk, unnamed heroes and sheroes that we could perhaps incorporate into the larger pictures that relates to the Bull Street property. And I'll say too, one of the things that's keeping in mind, and this is why the work of historic Columbia is so invaluable, is what occurred at the Elmore store was enabled by the city of Columbia. The church is not just knocking on a building, there was a permit secured. There was an office in the city who agreed in the demolition of that building, not knowing, I believe, of the historic significance. Councilman Davis mentioned the other building at the intersection of Assembly in Washington. A building that once was the office of some of the leading lawyers in Columbia, African-American lawyers. Well, that building was torn down, enabled by a city permit that destroyed a vital anchor. And so my hope is that Bull Street does not become a place that we honor sites and places that should have been recognized long ago, but at least we have the flexibility to now go back and think about some of those vanishing moments, vanishing people and find ways at Bull Street or elsewhere to pay due attention to those individuals. I agree. Yeah, I agree, I agree. And I think if I understand what we've done here today, we've at least narrowed the path in terms of naming the park, but also included in that are names of unsung heroes and sheroes, which of course would lead us, perhaps in a position to say, not the dead end, but of course, I've sort of prioritized my list and I think each one of our members have done that. But I think we probably need to look a little deeper into it before we make that recommendation to council. You don't think that we have enough support for naming the park, the Pagelington Park, and then direct the staff and historic Columbia and Dr. Donaldson to further look at other names and other buildings that he might be credited with or other people that we don't know now. Yeah, we'll approach it. Take that first stop, because Henry wants to get this thing dedicated before it gets too hot out there for us to have a ceremony. Isn't that the truth? We know about being hot and cutting ribbons. We know about what that... I know, they always wait the July 4th to cut a ribbon. And yeah, I mean, if that's the direction we need to take, I'm in agreement with that. Well, I make the motion that we propose the name of Pagelington to the rest of the city council to get their approval for the name the park, but to insist that this is not a final step. This is just the first step in commemorating others that have had a significant part in the development of the Bulls Creek District. And maybe that Henry and Dr. Donaldson and Robin can come back with a plan for other wayfarer signs that would honor other people also. All right, that's a long motion, Howard. It's great. Erica got down every word of it. I got it. I second it. Yeah, I've been moved and seconded that we present the name of Pagelington and we present that name to council and that we would certainly be appreciated if Robin and Dr. Donaldson would do the other part of expanding that into the entire park, the other names, metastasizing those names into other parts of the park. All right, you've heard the motion. If you would so indicate, let it be known by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All right, aye. It's unanimous that we proceed in such manner. Dr. Donaldson, Robin, can we call on you all? I mean, look, we understand the check is in the mail. We understand the check is in the mail. If you all would help us as we move forward in terms of spreading that, giving us some idea of other names that we can use in the park to identify those particular persons. Can we ask you all to do that for us? Yeah, I just for clarification, we're talking about doing something that is a broader story about the African-American experience on that campus and beyond. Are we talking about that within the park as a sort of trail within that space? Are we talking about kind of coming up with names that would be across the campus as a whole? I just want to be sure that what you're clear about what you're asking us to... I think, Sam, my thinking is a trail up through the park. There are different locations that I think you can... I think that if we go beyond the park, we certainly need to coordinate with the huge development. Yeah, that's fine. We don't want to put a marker up and then all of a sudden it's got to be moved for a $100 million investment. Yeah, no, I just wanted to clarify that we were in a contained space as opposed to merging down that. Yeah, I guess it's kind of like when you are through the city, there are locations that has a path and a history and it could be a $20 million building, but the question is, I think one of the reasons Bill Street is being showcased is because of what it was and how long it was almost all considered nothing for people who had no attachments to it, the families and that sort of thing. But I think it's... I would think it would be very unique and a proud badge for the city if there is a $80 million building at a particular location. And then there's a tag of that location prior to, that's all we're saying, I think. Not every spot on the campus, I think it will tell the story that we're trying to tell, but there are certain locations. I heard there's supposedly something unique about the morgue on that property. It was so self-contained that it had their own morgue. Yeah. You know, that's what you call containment. I just threw that out as an example. I don't know if they'll ever recognize that building as a form of morgue, but that's something to know about. Maybe it'll be in the history books. Robin, I think your statement sort of helps us because we're not only looking at name in the park, but also it's sort of similar to what... When we visit the state house and we take that tour from the state house down Main Street, it's sort of similar to some of those plaques that are there on the curb on the sidewalk. And I sort of envision that taking place in Bull Street, at Bull Street. It sort of gives us a real pathway to where we hit it. Of course, the mural there at 1401, Main Street sort of helps us continue that journey to 1401. So it's sort of similar to what we want to do on Main Street and what we want to do on Bull Street. Does that help a little bit? Yeah, I think what might be helpful, and maybe this is something that Dr. Donaldson and Henry and I can talk about is if the name of the park is the Page Ellington Park, then maybe there's a secondary tagline that is something that's related to exploring the African-American experience on the campus or as part of the department. Just so that people understand that while the park is named this, that the goal is also to explore a much broader story. If I could, Mr. Chair, can I add something to that? Yes, sir. I would agree with Robin and I would just say that our focus could be based on what we're recommending with Page Ellington, naming the park that, but also focusing on the wayside signage within the park, and then as a second phase, begin to explore other opportunities on the campus with the appropriate research. We want to make sure we take the time in the second phase to identify other opportunities, but give ourselves some time to really research that in partnership with what we talked about with the Hughes Development Corporation, but I think for structure's sake and for time's sake with Dr. Donaldson and Robin supporting this, let's focus right now on the, of course, naming of the park and then the wayside signs within the park, and then as a second phase, maybe doing some research and then identifying other locations as we identify that research. You've got two of them out there already, Henry, with Matilda Evans and I think it's Dr. Alonzo McClendon, the McClendon Street. Is that the street? The other street that's already been named out there by the Hughes Group? I think one of them, I know Matilda Evans is one. She's got a street sign up there, and we need to put a wayfare sign down there somewhere that says who she is and why she's important. But when we get off the 19 or 20-acre park, we need to make sure we coordinate with the Hughes Corporation about where these markers are. Right. And of course, Dr. Donaldson, I know you're sitting there thinking that we're giving you more work. You and Robin, but the Parks and Recreation Team will do a lot of their legwork to help you all. We just really need your engagement in terms of the information. You all are the subject matter experts, so we want to lean on you all just to provide the information, and then we can work through everything else. Sure. I need to leave. Last week was spring break here in our Richmond one, and our two children adopted a puppy. They're back in school, and the puppy's home with me, and I'm trying to navigate the puppy who's jumping on my leg, trying to talk to city council. So however I can be helpful, just let me know. Thank you, Bob. All right, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Dr. Donaldson. Mr. Chairman, before we adjourn, we have one more piece of business. We need to approve the naming of the Marvin Hella Community Board of Trustees. I'm going to turn on Jervay Street. It will take place on May 1st, so you're the sponsor of this naming, but I would like to get it voted on by the committee. Yes. All right. May I interject on that one? The matter has not been properly referred to the committee. It's scheduled to be on the April, it's scheduled to be on the April 20th agenda for city council approval. So we can't take up a, we can't take up a naming and recommend it to the council. I'd prefer that you're not, since it wasn't referred to the committee for it to come out of the committee would kind of be putting the cart before the horse, respectfully. Hey, look, we've done that before. Most of them don't even go to the committee. Right. They don't. So, um, I mean, you can, you can make the motion. I just thought, Oh, would it, Oh, would it be proper that the committee recommends to council? The item has not already been prepared for council's agenda. Tuesday. And so there will be a council vote. Okay. All right. Okay. Eric, I'll see it on the agenda and I certainly appreciate you raising that, but I'm also, I'm also cognitive of the fact that sometimes we do things sitting in our chairs in chamber. So, um, so I appreciate, I appreciate you keeping us on task. I see the agenda and it's there on the agenda. And we're very appreciative that you kept us to task. Thank you. We didn't validate the, uh, Your, uh, your motion, right? How big part say that again, Sam? Did we validate the motion? Oh, Eric or jump down before we could, we could vote. But the sentiment of the three members of the committee is to support this on April the 20th. Okay. I'd be more than glad to let the record reflect that there was the consensus of the committee. Okay. I think Sam is talking about the motion we made to, uh, Right. We made that motion. We made that motion. You've got that. You've got that motion right there. I do. And part of my reason for speaking up is because I would, before you all adjourn, like to take just a brief moment. So over what I have and allow you all to make an adjustment since there was a bit of, um, going back and forth. And so the motion is to propose naming the bull street park after Mr. Page Ellington as the first step in commemorating others who had a significant role in developing the bull street park. Uh, assistant city manager sign is Dr. Donaldson and Robin weights were asked to come back with plans for a commemorative walking trail with wayside signage and other parts of the park. Exploring the African American experience. That's good. You couldn't have said it any better. I don't know how you type that that quick, but a lot shorter than me. Yes. Um, we'll work with this some more, but I just wanted to make sure that I captured the essence of your motion. Right. You captured it very well and put quote quotation marks around it. So thank you. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's it for me, sir. Mr. Silence. Did you have anything else? I know I do not. Thank you. Thank you so much, Erica. I'm in a good job. Miss Wilson sends her regrets. She had a scheduling conflict and she sends her regrets. Thank you very much. Look, I thank you guys. Thank you all very much, Henry. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You know, you, you've done a, you've done a magnanimous, unanimous job in leading us through this. And we are very appreciative for your help and your assistance. Of course, thank you all for being due diligent and being right on point. I think we've, we've accomplished a lot. As we've talked about the bull street renaming. I think it's, it's going to go a long way. Thank you very much. You all have a good day.