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I fucking love Well, I don't know him right but his his persona and I actually watched this whole series I don't know if you guys watch the YouTube I watched the most one. Yeah, okay. Yeah I got about half a third first one. That's what anytime we have homework. That's what he does Okay, I should know should just sent him over the clinic notes I Got five kids man, you know, you know, it was actually I actually got emotional a couple times and it was so it was so good like he is so Talented and authentic and just I don't know He's up there with probably one of one of my favorite people as far as you know famous But it always blows my mind someone of his caliber the money He's got he's got a trainer who he's had for like nine years and just the advice and the stuff They're doing a shit. Yeah, and what I don't know is this so disclaimer. I Don't know if there is this because what I want to be careful of is like, you know What if I was hired to do something like this, right? They said hey Adam Will Smith wants you to be his yeah You get on the clock. He has a very specific goal of losing this way Well, yeah, so what I don't what I don't know is if he actually does have a really intelligent trainer Who's giving him better advice off off camera or maybe it was even on camera, but they're like that's not juicy for TV Yeah, right, you know We need to drum and because it does have that feel of they they're trying to dramatize the pound every week that he's gonna lose Yeah, so I in the first episode spoiler alert He so I don't watch the second or third yet But the first one at the end of the first week he gains a pound Yeah, and he's really crapped out about it And I thought that was a great opportunity to talk about what often happens in the first week Especially if you're lifting weights, so that's if you're a man So that's what I'm alluding to right now What I don't know is you know did his trainer off air, but dude don't even trip you probably built a little bit of muscle You're probably water like it's not why not body fat test this is scale, right? So you don't see any of that in the video all you see is him like beat up now I don't think he got that advice from his trainer because you if you watch the next episode his response was fasting Mm-hmm, so then he goes right into he goes into eating like boiled eggs and vegetables Well, I do that without his trainer's knowledge, right? Right He didn't get that advice from and I don't think his trainer would advise it but that also too like I feel like if if if I was Coaching him like Sal said I would have used that opportunity to then say hey bro Don't trip like this is totally normal in the first week Sometimes we're gonna see a little bit of a especially when you saw how hard he was weight training I mean he wasn't training at all Then also he's weight training like that. Okay. You're telling okay Will Smith who in the past several times has had a lot more muscle on his body. He's got muscle memory He played I am legend. He was muscular, right when he was Muhammad Ali very muscular So he's got muscle memory stopped working out gained a bunch of body fat for his his role in King or whatever Where he was Serena Williams played that right father So if you're gonna live if you're a man with that kind of muscle memory He's obviously got some athletic ability because he's got a natural build your goal Yeah, I would have told him ahead of time in the first week or two Don't the scales probably not gonna change or might go up a little bit But your body fats going down while your muscles going up and we're gonna test body Knowing his past and his body type I asked the goal even if our goal was because their main objective was lose 20 pounds in 20 weeks Which is very doable in doable even the healthy way, but I actually would have said the first couple weeks I don't really give a shit. I want to go up. Yeah anything. Yep Let's build right now. I wouldn't even focus on the scale at all. Yeah. Yeah, let's build the first like four or five weeks Let's build a metabolism was built some muscle and then we could really crank it up to and the So their approach didn't they they start them off right away on like five to seven days of cardio In addition to his in addition to his weight training the intensity is there training to failure You see multiple times. He's you know last rep. He could squeeze out So I guess where I don't from add a shape to that that's a really fast jump to train that way right away I didn't need to know not only do you not need to but it's actually counterproductive, right? That's and that's the point. I want to make is that you know Because even though you as you watch the whole journey go through he ends up I mean he looks pretty good towards the end and he had good results Overall if you're if you're all we're watching is a scale But I bet you if you watch the body fat percentage week over week You could have made a way better improvement in that short amount of time Well, people don't know this but let's say your 200 pounds and 15% body fat and you gain 10 pounds of muscle and you don't lose any body fat at all in terms of on the scale So you've lost no body fat. You've only gained 10 pounds of lean body mass Your body fat percentage is actually already dropped because you now have more lean body mass and your body fat Total is a smaller percentage of your all body weight overall. Yeah, so that's how percentages work for example If you know if a guy like my size and say I'm walking around it Let's say 9% body fat if you were to peel all the body fat off my body and put it on a 100 pound person They would automatically be twice have twice the body fat that I have because it's a percentage of body weight So the scale is is not a great by itself. It's a terrible metric. It's not and it messes with you all the time And I only ever used it with clients if it if it also came with circumference measurements and body fat percentage measurements So I could get lean body mass and fat mass. Otherwise, like, you know, it's actually expected if I were training Will Smith I would expect his weight to at the at the absolute least stay the same But probably go up because of all the muscle that he's gained and then they don't talk about in the beginning I don't know how they talk about this at the end if they do in that first week I would have said well, you're stronger. How's your stamina? How do you feel right instead of you so crapped out? because there was lots of lessons in this thing, I mean they They were trying they were being competitive with mild times, which was I think a terrible idea They decide one day. They're gonna do a step challenge He gets so obsessive with the step challenge that he ends up like pulling a hammy and he couldn't even finish it the next day Yeah, yeah, I have a setback He's riding his memoir in the middle of all this so you had like incredible like stress and deadlines and stuff like that Yeah, and then like still cramming in like these 30 minute intense workouts in between because he had now You have to talk about the the brilliance though of what cuz like after I watched all of it And I kind of took a step back and went like, okay Let's take a forget the trainer in me that's like wants to pick apart all the things that I think I would have done different. I Mean, I don't really even think that was the desired outcome here. I think that This was a brilliant creative way to launch a book Exactly because the way they do it lots of drama attached. That's right and every episode He's he's breaking down a chapter in the book So just like how Jordan Peterson launches his like his 12 chapters and he give you a little synopsis of what snippets Yeah, so he does that and then intertwines it into the storytelling of losing weight That was the goal that was for sure was you gotta know that will smart enough to know that one of the most popular things on YouTube our Transformation videos. Mm-hmm. He and he's one of the most famous people out there You gotta show the drama you got to show the struggle. Yes You got to show the speed at which you make this happen how hard it is That's what people watch and he already got like an insane amount of attention when he posted that I don't know if it's on Instagram or dad bad thing just went like crazy And so it's like oh wow live the response for that. I'm sure, you know catapulted that idea Oh, well, I actually think he already had it. You had it going I think that was setting the table I think that he did the King Richard thing you got to know that he had the contract already for the book well before all of this So the book was already planned to do it King Richard thing comes out He knows he puts on the most weight he's ever put on his life and the light bulb goes off. Oh, here we go I know what I'm gonna do in the worst shape of my life. I'm gonna get in the best shape of my I mean I had a similar moment for myself when I decided to get back into fitness when I started to get back in a fitness Yeah, it's very similar to I just so happened to be in the worst shape of my life and I went Oh, this is perfect I'm gonna turn on social media for the first time ever like I'm gonna show a transformation I'm gonna like document the whole process so people can see it and that I had the same type of yeah this is the challenge with fitness media if you have any Integrity is how do I get the attention so that I can deliver the right information? But you know, but also maintain my integrity That's very challenging to do because you're competing with People who are selling it in ways that are effective, which is the struggle and the you know the biggest loser approach And the crying and the hammering and I can't move and I'm so sore and then you you're like, okay I know that that's not the right approach, but the right approach is boring. I mean, let's be honest, right? If you did the right approach, well, that's why I would not know dude That's why it was not the drama enough when you said that all we could totally shoot a documentary like this and do it Better it's like no, I don't agree. Well, so Thanks for bringing that up Here's what I think not gonna be not that we're gonna do this. We're not gonna do this But if we did I think it's there's enough awareness now around these transformation type videos and fitness entertainment that the approach would be I'm gonna get in the best shape of my life But I'm gonna do it the right way and then through the process you're pointing out Normally, this is what they show But this is how you're supposed to do it and then this is what I do and this is what you're not supposed to do To show how you really do it and then to show the results at the end where people go. Oh, wow It actually you would almost need I would think like two different Like a case studies going on at the same time, right? Yeah, the comparison of how Hollywood kind of portrays it versus like It almost would have to be on a time lapse, right? You'd have to like super speed, you know the longer approach in order to condense it down to something You know, what's funny is that it's the the challenge and the the difficulty of it is part of the sex appeal when people watch it But people mistaken because everybody knows it's very challenging to transform your health and your fitness It's it is it's a challenging process, but people mistaken what part is challenging They think the challenging part is can I withstand brutal? Destructive workouts and extremely restrictive diet for 20 weeks That's actually not the challenging part the challenging part is gonna make consistency. Yeah lifelong forever changes And that's what makes it really hard to be honest with you and I'll argue this all day long the 20 You know weak hammer my body restrict myself is actually easier So it is far easier in fact people do that all the time people lose weight all the time that way So you would just have to find a way to to present the real way. I don't think that exactly I really don't I don't think it's I don't think it is sexy. I think it like it. There's parts in there where You know, they they dramatize, you know him quitting and him like not wanting to show up the next day Like flaking on his thing because he's just like burnt out all the same and they spin it in a way that it's like But the truth is and then yet they cut over to the therapist every once in a while Which the therapist is probably the most logical person of everybody that's in the in the documentary like she's like You know encouraging him to do what's best for him versus, you know, like what he's got to prove people or whatever But that's just it's not that's not sexy entertaining to be the truth is that the trainer who's meeting him seven days a week If my client who's been burning the candle will both ends if they're like man, I am burnt Yeah, I would I would what I tell him is like don't come or I'd say hey, why don't you come? Let's walk. Let's walk and let's let's process what you're doing. Yeah, let's just talk. Let's just talk Yeah, which nobody wants to see that What they want to see is that he's got adversity. Yeah, and then he overcomes it and he pushes through in spite of it Right and because that's motivating and that will give you those those juices flowing when you when you watch how much does this? Conversation remind you of the first conversations that we had when we started the podcast We used to talk all the time about how are we going to impact if it was a big lofty goal And we're maybe a bit narcissistic But we thought we would be able to do this and we said how are we going to be able to impact the fitness industry at large and Outsell in other words, you know reach more people than the other guys who are selling everything the wrong way But it's sexy. It's flashy. We have lots of conversations about this like we got to beat them at their own game They're saying lose 30 pounds in 30 days by take a pill We're saying it'll take you two years to lose 30 pounds. It's like how do we do that? It brings it all back right because it's entertaining like I was sucked in like and you you get into the drama of it And this is just the narrative that just keeps repeating itself because people see that and they're like, yeah I can do that, you know because it's almost like this this one hard push and then then we're there You know and that's it and so that's a that's a message that just keeps you know perpetuating our industry That's why I don't I mean one. I don't know if it'll ever leave to I don't know if we could ever create something that does that is As appealing but done the right way because the right way isn't appealing. It's just not it's not sexy It's boring. It's slow. It's got a lot of when I would watch the biggest loser I would imagine like what it would really look like with a trainer like oh my god. I can't do this anymore No, no, we need to stop you're going too hard. Let's relax a little bit. Oh, you lost too much weight this week Let's back you off the viewer would be like click You ever talked to like a police officer like a like an actual cop or an actual doctor about TV shows about like oh enforcement and in hospitals. It's the same thing. Yeah, we'd never pull a gun out Yeah, dude, it's like whether like that happens 1% of the time My buddy's like I have a buddy who's a cop and he's like dude He goes if that was what it was like every single day like we would die like no way We would last he goes yeah that happened like twice in my life That's a good point in in analogy there too because there are times when like you're down You're not motivated and you should persevere and step up and go but it's like that's the 1% right There's a few times where you're having that self-talk or doubt or discourage and you should overcome step up Let's do it, but they play into that so much that they think that like every time you you run into that It's hard or you don't feel like doing of that. You should like you got this overcome it You know what two things about it that stood out for me was that had nothing to do with fitness One was the way the therapist talked about How will Smith used entertainment and humor how was this ultimate? Protection mechanism right you missed what it got really good with that towards the the later shows Yeah, so I really liked that because it is true with people that one way to protect themselves from being ridiculed or bullied Well, did you hear the story where it all started for him? No So where it started for him and he's like tells the story is very emotional There's like probably like three different parts where I got really emotional and he tells a story of him and his siblings Standing in the doorway and watching his dad clock his mom to where blood was coming out of her mouth And he said that moment changed all the trajectory of all three of the kids lives and he said his brother was fight his sister was flight and he was Entertain and it was all to you know his brother would push back and fight his sister would flight run run from the situation His was distract just deflect. Yeah, right So just just by entertaining and being that and that that's when that was born So that was his character from very early on and that's and so he still is that guy today And he tells that whole story was you could tell and you could tell too when difficult things come up He gets funny. Yeah, right. It's like, oh, it's getting deep. Let's get funny and Distract, you know the situation or boy, he gets into his I really wanted you guys to get to the kids part because he seems like a great Yeah, I don't know him right. He might be just a great actor. Oh, he's Jalen, but try to be try to get emancipated. Oh, wow. Yeah So I was a there was a struggle there. Oh, yeah, he said he had a struggle with all of them He is Jalen. Okay. So his oldest is you know, will the third with a calm tray his oldest He admits that he was the most naive with him obviously because he was the first, right? So he was completely like didn't know what he was doing and learning And then Jalen is the second one where he's he calls himself, you know, will 2.0 where he started a piece together But I mean that kid wanted to be emancipated his youngest one willow is the one that he admits that will come up And it was she was she committed to a tour with him in europe Where she would get out on stage with him. She wanted to perform us for that and after the first night She came to him and said I'm done. I'm done daddy and he goes. Oh, no honey. We still have a hole whatever to go and stuff like that and she goes No, I don't want to do it anymore. I'm done. And he's like, oh honey We've committed to the to the next month of of doing this And he said the next morning she woke up and she shaved her head completely And he said that woke him up at that moment and he realized like that, you know He wasn't hearing her and what she was trying to say to him and then he took care of it But he said that like it completely changed his life at that at that moment But you're talking about the third kid and she's already I think like nine years old or so at that point that signal to hear That pulls at you man those those dad struggles Oh, that's why I wanted you guys to listen to it because it was a real I mean I got all emotional listening to him talk about his mistakes You know how old she was when yeah like nine nine Yeah, and all the kids are all the and so and jaylin was His big moment of what after wanting to be emancipated from him was you remember when they did that movie together That flopped Like the sci-fi one it was yeah, the war the world one or the whatever the end of the world So he did that with his son And it flopped it was like his worst movie he ever did And that was the first one he did with his son and he's like He totally felt like he let his son down because he told his son everything to do in that And then his son took on the all the criticism that came And so that totally created a wedge between the two of them I don't know. I don't know why any parent would put that make put their kid On a stage in that way Yeah, but what you mean what if they want to bro if they look if you're if you're there everything So I I mean what are you gonna do when your kids grow up and they want to be on the podcast No, no, that's fine when they're older but at that age I don't know. I remember being yeah You don't know because if you have because if you're young and talented and you've got talent already and you're begging I don't know if I would say no like especially if they're talented and they're wanting to follow in your path I don't know. It's tough. It's tough because here's the two scenarios one And this I think is the worst scenario They crush and are loved by everybody and they're nine and they're killing it and then at some point which happens all these child stars They lose that admiration that love which they've created an identity around what you're not going to be like you were when you're nine Forever now people forget about you And oh, I can't imagine what that would do to me as a teenager let alone as a man in my 40s Yeah, but I think that's naive of you to think that you know You're going to stop a preteen on their their dream of following in your footsteps You know i'm saying like you what's the backlash from that? It depends on the situation. I would definitely destroy easy sitting out here for us to say that but it's not ideal, right? Yeah, the statistics with like child actors and what you know happens as a terrible right I totally agree. They're terrible. But yeah, it would be a tough conversation when you know They're going to want to rebel if you're going to just that's right And then it may backfire even more on you Every situation is different. So I think it's a dad. You're over there. You're just praying to god that it doesn't happen But I mean, you know being in it is a whole different I would try to find a way to do it differently But I mean, of course I'm talking and I haven't been in that situation All right, but I couldn't imagine getting like all these followers on social media as a kid Real popular and then you know you go through your your ugly years or you're different now everybody doesn't like you anymore You're not as popular what that would do I mean, it'd be interesting. I guarantee that one of us three or even including Doug One of us four is going to have to handle this one time We all have young kids right now who aren't on social media that one day will be by the time they are I mean, you're already over a hundred thousand followers The podcast getting millions of listens every single month to you or to them You're fucking already super famous wait till they're at an age where they turn it on and you think they're not Going to want to be like that with you. I don't know. I don't know I mean I think the odds of all of us with all of our kids that one of them is it Somebody's having that conversation in the next five years My kids feel real insecure I think you'd suck you know Construction No, that's it. That's a tough one. Oh, it's gonna be time. I mean, I know it's gonna be tough You don't talk about here. I got a tough one for you guys. So let's hear what you guys have done here This happened to me last night with max So, uh, we have like this routine. I saw I probably take a bath with him probably I don't know two or three times a week, right? That's it's part of our routine That's where you put the toys and everything. Yeah. Yeah. So I I I'll do as long as I can It's always 16 or so. We'll probably stop somewhere I said that same thing dude and then it just got awkward Right now, it's not awkward. You can't talk or like that. We're just having fun in there. We're playing gi josey He's the best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I we'll we'll see at what age My my brother-in-law was would take showers with his son and then he stopped when his son started saying things like Daddy's penis has a mustache Okay, we're done with this. Yeah All right, you're too old. Yeah, right now. He's not talking. So I feel like it's okay but listen so So this is kind of the routine and I always love to mess with katrina because I I am the one who likes to let him run around naked whenever he wants to She's just like he's gonna pee on the floor and he has so she's right. He's got newspapers Right, right. So I just think it's funny because when there's something about kids Uh, when you you strip them down naked, they just want to go run and and just play and jump and do Yeah, I think it's so funny, right? So I always like as the bathtub is filling up. I strip him down and I let him run and katrina's like chasing him around Why do you let him do this? You know, and he's running and he's running away from her and I think that I know I think it's so cute and funny So then then I put him in as it's filling up and stuff And then eventually I get I get naked and then I get in and so I'm getting ready to get in He's he's standing there playing with his toys and I'm like Climbing in the bathtub and I get my just to get to my second foot in and he's just standing there And he's looking at me and he holds his dick and he just starts pissing And so I'm I'm in this conflicted moment of Do I just say fuck it and get in you know I'm saying it's not like I haven't been in a pool Where someone's peed or something before or do I like get back out at least it's friendly fire The bath is like already almost full. Do I empty this whole thing of water and then refill definitely not dunk in my face In this yeah, I had such a weird like conflict I would it would have been so hard not to laugh of of I laughed because I was frustrated because I was just like Max Come on. It's all you buddy. Yeah, and I'm standing there. I just uh fuck it I just slide in and get in the bathtub and just you know, uh, whatever dudes Yeah, so I don't even know what the right move was right there or not If you have kids at some point I don't know I probably don't know the same thing. Well, yeah, it's just I'm like, okay And it's not like I haven't been in probably, you know in a pool Dude when little boys figure out they can aim with their pee. It's there's yeah, he's not there Yeah, I mean he's definitely at the uh, yeah, my buddy's son they were teaching him how to pee Oh, you aim and they throw the cheer you on the toilet the whole thing And he comes home from work the next day and his son's like just peeing designs in the carpet You know, oh, yeah, he could do it dude. So yeah once uh once yeah, my kids figured all that out like we I would take him outside and you know take the dogs out And it was like a ritual that we'd all pee on this tree together. Yeah, and that's just you know We're outdoorsy people. That's man. We're mountain kind of people this totally backfire It on me by the way, I bet I bet you were at a public event sometime in the dude I told I told you this story. Yeah, so we were walking downtown Santa Cruz. Oh, it's so great And uh, like, you know my youngest was like, I don't know. He was maybe Maybe two or three and just found this tree and like had had the urge and was and looked at me And then just dropped his pants and started peeing on the tree and like At least they were cool and they're laughing, you know, I don't know where he gets us from I would have died. Yeah, I would have died You could always tell who's like the parents, right? Because parents just get it, you know what I'm saying? That's how I was even when we were flying Sal and I flew out to Arizona this last week or a week or two ago, right and When we had some kid in the airport, remember? Oh, yeah Just screaming and you know when before you have kids you're like, how and I mean that was just like After you have just three years ago. Three years ago. I was the guy I was just like motherfucker like leave you don't have any family you can leave your kid with You know I'm saying why drag him in the airport I'm telling myself I'm never gonna be that kid and then you have a kid and then you go like, oh poor dad. Hey, we look at each other Yeah, you always want to help him sometimes they can't get you anything you know some gripe water No, dude, I get my my my baby son. He's so you know, we teach him sign language, right? So he he knows like he does more and he does yeah more and Milk he does all these signs. He now is creating. Yeah, he does. This is this is milk Which is hilarious because we'll be out, you know, and he'll look at Jessica and you'll be like And she'll be like, haha, you know, it's okay, buddy. We're gonna get and then he'll just grab her shirt Start pulling it down. He's gonna do it some other lady, dude. He's gonna stand in front of someone Sorry or what if I do it Hey But anyway, he uh, he makes up his own. He's made up his own signs for a couple things It's so cool. I feel like this is the dad like my son's a genius. No, no, no, no, no, bro He's speaking Spanish with his hands He said the whole declaration of independence No, no, no, he he sits there and if you If he wants something if he wants to try something of someone else's He does this he points to his mouth and we figured it out So he always does it so if you have water or you're eating something He'll point to it and then you'll go like this like put him up and then uh, so there's that one Then he does my favorite as a sign for music So because he loves us to put music on so if he wants it on he looks at us and he does this with his arm I swear to god very juicy In this listen, I will post the video of it of him doing that. I swear to that's what he does He'll look at you know, go. Yeah, like he'll start fist pumping. I'm like his first word's gonna be Ma GTL Warm up the sauce at my heart, you know, I was like so warm when I saw that That's great. He also does this thing where if like like I'll listen to edm with him Jessica put the country on or whatever But you know how edm always has like this there's a formula No, well it starts off kind of slow and it builds up and then there's a drop, right? So as it's building up, he'll stop and he'll do this with his arm And then when the beat drops or whatever he does this weird like shimmy Like uh, like what's his name axl rose from? Yeah, it gets slinky. Yeah, he does this thing like this and we're just we're dying Anyway, you know what I wanted to bring up is so you we're all listening or at least I don't know if you are just are you listening to angel the book angel? Okay, so it's really good And it's about angel investing and so we've you know for people don't know we Part of our business is also angel investing in companies that we Believe we're gonna you know do great later on it's risky, but it's there's always a huge Potentially huge payoff, but anyway, we've done this now with like six companies And I started listening to this book adam recommended it and in the book He really breaks down the things you should look for and Like bet on the ceo not on the not on the product And so after listening to it. I'm like man. We are so Like the ready fire aim crew. I swear to god like I listen to us It's like we had no idea what we're doing and we're just going, you know, and now I hear this and like oh man We could have totally that's the only way we operate. It's true But there's value in that right there. I think there's tremendous value. Yeah, I mean I You know out of all of us I've probably been the most to that in in reading around real estate stuff right and we've been doing that now for almost two years And there's a lot of things now when I look back like I would have done different, you know as far as choices that we've made it as far as investment now Overall, I think we've done really well as far as the portfolio and stuff and I'm very happy with where we're at But you I mean, I think you just continue to learn and I think that We knew enough getting into the angel investing that like listen, this is a pretty smart strategy We're we're we're advertising with these people anyways. They're paying us to do that We're kind of playing with house money when you think of it So and we can influence the the success of the company because of the size of the show and stuff So we know with them well, right and we have a relationship with them and we like them, right? So it's like, okay. This this kind of makes sense after you can dive deeper into it And you say like I've been listening to podcasts all around startups and investing I've been reading I've reading the books now and I'm going like, okay And it makes such obvious sense you brought it up before we get on the podcast that We used to have this saying with uh gyms, right and uh guys like you worked in selenus, which is Notoriously known as like one of the worst the graveyard. So yeah Yeah, we used they used to send Gms that they wanted to fire there because it was like there. Yeah, because everyone fails there, right? And I worked I worked at capital mckay, which was the Considered the one of the first it was one of the first five that was Really run down and she the flagship one that I ran the first one was sonny veil and the pool was green half the time Well right there. So you just named selenus selenus sonny veal and uh capital mckay arguably the three worst clubs out of the 400 and something clubs they have in the entire company You can make that just been around a long time old even even capital and and sonny veal, which are big clubs They're old. They didn't ever redid them. It was just right So and the reason why that is is they were so early on that they built the eft on it And so they had a consistent they didn't need to put any money in it to try and drive They didn't care they didn't care about it and they and if you could tell they treated that way So really hard for a man anyways the point I was making Was that we used to say there's no such thing as bad clubs just bad managers And it's true because I I know you went to selenus larry went to selenus. You guys both crushed out of that place I broke records out of capital mckay. I know you broke records out of sonny veal And it is it's a testament to like the the leadership of these things are so Why would that be any different with a startup company? Yeah, you know, say it's like logical. Yeah, it's very logical and obvious I've seen way too many state-of-the-art gyms with incredible equipment great location tank Yeah, because the team and the management sucked so and it makes perfect sense with any company It's like, you know the you bet on the person and the people not necessarily on the product or the service Well, yeah, I imagine a company that has an incredible product It's seeing create, you know 100 growth month over month the last year or two You have no idea who the founder is and then you have elan musk that is running in the red You know and his company's not very successful yet, but he has a vision and an idea I'm like, who do you bet on exactly? I'm saying like I think everybody would agree like oh elan musk Well, yeah, of course because we all know but you know, you know what this reminds me of too when we first came out with our Maps programs when we first put them and made them digital and film them the whole deal We one of the biggest things that I think gets in people's ways is the fear that it's not perfect The product's not perfect I did the market's not perfect the marketing has to be perfect everything has to be absolutely perfect And the problem with that is you don't know what perfect is yet because the market hasn't taught you yet What works and what doesn't work and one of the best things you could do is to put something out Look at the response see where you should spend your time and money and then just keep Yeah, the feedback and and apply what what makes sense and to make a better product Yeah, and just to take that step don't be so afraid. Oh, that's the biggest thing if you look at some of our original Which they're not out anymore. They've been revamped several times Some of our original videos for programs I did a post on this like two or three years ago I did a post about this and what you're saying is the perfect recipe for paralysis by analysis Yeah, you know where you get and and there's definitely people listening right now that are entrepreneurs that are guilty of this And I've worked with plenty of them Where they want everything to be perfect before they launch and the problem with that is that there's somebody else Who's willing to do kind of like where we're at was like, oh, I like this idea Let's just do it and then we'll learn from our mistakes So we'll reiterate we'll get four or five times of being able to reiterate Before they even get off the ground with the first one and that I mean timing is everything in business Like that if you're one of the early adopters or something or first to market many times Even if your idea isn't perfect or refined You'll have tremendous success just because you're first to market where if you're last to market Your your idea does have to be perfect in order to surpass those people that got you got there first So I think this is actually one of the Achilles heels of many entrepreneurs that are trying to get started is they're so concerned About putting something out that is unfinished or isn't perfect or so you get criticized or whatever That's a big one is the fear of failure big time. You're gonna here's a bottom line You're gonna step in the ring. You're gonna get punched in the face You're gonna get crit. Just go ahead and like assume that's gonna happen. Anyway, yeah, you know, I'm gonna So bear with me guys. I'm gonna do a sports analogy guys Oh god, all right, so I put my seatbelt on real quick. Yeah, so no, it's like this right It's like trying to become The best athlete you can at your sport without ever playing the sport Like it's not gonna happen right versus I got to go out on the court and play or I got to get on the field and play and then learn through that Who's gonna learn faster? Who's gonna be better at uh at performing that particular sport, right? Not to not to mention Where does the most growth happen? In failure totally. Yep So if you're so concerned about not failing and not doing not realizing that that's one of the best recipes for success So the to get it. I remember when I I shared this not that long ago on the podcast where I read something about like the The the the number of failures that the billionaires all had like the average number of business failures that every billionaire had And it was like nine or ten. Yeah, that was the average and obviously some way more than that And I was young. I was only like 21 or 22 years old. Let me guess you're like, let me get to my first nine Yeah, that was like literally I'm out real quick It was it really it reframed the way I looked at any business idea I had anymore instead of me like if I had an idea it was like put it into play right away I didn't want to even wait to think. Oh, is this a good idea or let me ask someone smarter than me Or let it's like no fucking. I like it. Let's do it and then because I got to get to 10 And I'm not even close at that age. I only had maybe one or two under my belt So it was like, you know, I need to get out there and just do this because if the if every one of these billionaires has a Minimum of nine to ten on their belt and I'm only at one right now. I got a lot of work to do before I get there Yeah, I I've told the story before a very impactful client that I had was a gentleman who multi multi millionaire Didn't graduate high school grew up very poor Rough, you know upbringing and I remember asking him was like, you know, can you give me like the best advice or whatever? And he says you need to ask me the following question I said what he goes asked me how many times I failed. So I said, okay, how many times have you failed? He goes sell I've gone bankrupt three times Trying to accomplish what I've accomplished and he went through each time that he went bankrupt And I remember as he was telling me I thought to myself I don't I wonder if I would have even tried again after the first one Like I was devastating that must feel to bankrupt after, you know, doing something So that's the key and now what I would look for is is this person tenacious passionate? Do they know what they're doing somewhat and are they adaptable? That's the big one That's the adaptable part because can they work their way through all these problems and address them right away? Yeah, I look at it as an accelerated education Yes, just getting into it and then uh getting that immediate feedback and and altering Things to to make sure, you know, you're you're moving forward with a successful product But you have to like have that have that immediate feedback in order to even get that Now Doug, you're probably the least like this. Yeah, would you say you're less ready aim fire? Or would you say you're how it really depends on the situation? I mean, I've entered into a lot of things without a lot of knowledge in the past Um, that's right oil guy. I forgot. Yes so I actually was so surprised when he had the ad he's like I did that I've done a lot of hurts out of I'm fairly cautious now because I've lost a lot of money Over the years. I mean, I put some money into some investments that I thought at the time We're gonna make me super rich and you know, I lived in Japan for six and a half years. I worked and saved my money I had I had purchased stock in microsoft and in Starbucks I had like these stocks and I bought a triplex up in the Seattle area And I sold everything to get into some investments that ended up going to zero So Yeah, I've taken risks and I've lost it all So if I had to if you were to draw a line down the middle and say like the four of us You know the super conservative or like, you know Slow to slow to start and then the other two then you have the other side ready aim fire away I would say that Sal and I are probably too extreme on the ready aim fire Like there's no thinking involved at all. It's just like I like that Let's do it and then I would say you and Justin are a little bit more on the conservative side Which is why we make such a beautiful balance of Of us having kids maybe more conservative. That's for sure because now I'm like, well if I fail this time, you know, no college for you, you know So I thought about it a little differently, but I mean I I drove down to palm desert and took at the time at Seattle's at 21 I had saved $100,000 of my own money, which was you know, I didn't go to college, right? So I worked from 18 till then saved all that cash Left and put it down as part owner of this gym And let the diet and let it roll and I almost lost it. I luckily I came out flat I didn't make anything lose anything. Yeah, so I've always kind of been that way after having kids I became a little more conservative because now it's other people are depending on which is why I tell people when they ask me advice I always ask them. Do you have kids or no? I don't take the risk now because right now What's the worst that could happen? What are you gonna do? You're gonna fail big deal. Go get a job You'll get back on your feet. It's not that not that big of a get your nine out before you have your kid if you can Yeah, 100% so speaking of companies that crush and took risks, right? I was supposed to talk about butcher box What a great example, right? Here's a company that said we're gonna make meal We're gonna make grass-fed meat delivery bring it bring it to people's doors eliminate middlemen make it affordable It's gonna be a subscription service who the hell bought meat on a subscription service before And they blew up. Oh, I wish we would have caught there's a couple I wish yeah crush yori and then butcher box are for sure two companies that We we were we've been with now for like four years or more And I wish that we were in a place capital wise to have invested in them because I didn't Butcher box come out with their valuation a couple just a year or two ago and it was it was up there I thought I saw an article on that. Do you guys know they're just they just they do so well They're so good and they've proven The subscription model for this kind of stuff, which which companies wouldn't have touched before speaking of which What'd you guys think about the salmon? I was just gonna say Okay, so one of the challenges with eating on the go if you like trying to take care of yourself is protein, right? Okay, so you see there are protein shake a bar, which okay, that's fine. I guess but I'd rather have whole natural foods What can I cheat? What can I eat that? I don't have to store in on ice or put in a fridge That's our protein. They the salmon bites are vacuum sealed You eat them right out the back. You can take them with you anywhere high in protein. They're hella good I'm like this is one of the best Like on the go meals that I thought even Justin liked it. Did you like it? Actually, yeah, I had a few really didn't like it, huh? I really did like in and again like everybody knows my aversion to fish but Like I'm a big beef jerky guy and like smoked meats and It just had a really good smoked flavor and it was actually pretty delicious. It was amazing And I'm with you sal like anybody who's ever you know, like Really tracked their protein and tried to be consistent with that. It's hard. That's one of the hardest things to Be consistent with especially when you're on the go or if you can travel with carbs. That's easy Yeah, yeah, and you can pull over at any gas station and get a whole host of carbs But when you pull over to gas station, what does everybody eat like protein-wise? There's nothing. Yeah, it's either beef jerky Yeah, right. It's like or some nuts, which is mostly fat and a little bit of protein. So you're only two options Yeah, it's really tough to get a good amount of you know, 20 30 grams serving of protein But having that would be amazing and Doug you just all you had. Yeah, it was in the refrigerator. That was it, right? That's it. Wow. I don't know if you even need to store them in the refrigerator I think because they're smoked. Yeah smoke. They're sealed. Okay. Well explain that to me I'm not sure why they sent them to us over on ice But maybe because they're out Yeah, because maybe it's hot or whatever else. So you really think that you could store that I don't know for sure. Well, let's double check. But I know you can eat now. What I know you could do this Break this down to me. So if something is smoked and vacuum sealed you don't necessarily have to Yeah, you can buy smoked salmon at the like Costco for example It's similar to jerky. It preserves it longer. It's similar like how beef jerky lasts because it's dry It's smoked. There's not and it's vacuum sealed. No bacteria. Now once you open the package Now is that because the smoke takes all the moisture out of the meat and so at that So there's not a there's not there's a lower chance of bacteria building up on it Like what what what is it about it because obviously if you cooked if you like did a pan Sear salmon and then you just let it sit out. So I'm gonna talk out of my ass now But I'm gonna guess so I don't know quite no But you know, you know when they make ceviche and they it's like raw fish But they use the acids from the lemons and stuff that kind of kind of cooks it I think the smoking process is Similar it does something similar. I feel like Doug's more qualified to talk about this than you I don't know but they used to preserve Like fish and meats with salt for example And one of the things you do with a smoked salmon for example as you put it in a brine And then you smoke it and so I think the combination of those two things Caused the meat to last a long time and that's what I'm asking or what I'm guessing is that it has something to do With probably pulling the moisture out of it because it's the moisture where the bacteria would probably grow on right Well, I would think it's moisture, but salt also prevents that's good right salt prevents Bacteria so sailors would salt meat and then travel. Wow, you'll have to look that up because that makes it even cool I mean, even if you just had to have it in your refrigerator, then you took it on the go It still would be fine still be amazing, but if it doesn't need to be stored like that That's even crazy. I would bet that once you open it though You probably need to eat it within a certain period of time. Sure. So once you open it But anyway, it's uh, it's natural and it's good and so good. Yeah, it's actually surprisingly good Totally and for me, it's like traveling any protein now. I gotta eat foods that and I'm you know, you guys know I'm like I have sensitive gut so it becomes a pain in the butt like all right. What do I pick or whatever? To answer your question about the salmon bites, however, they do need to say stay, uh, is it frozen or refrigerated? No frozen Okay, okay, so they're super fresh. Okay. Okay. I don't know why the ones you buy like at costco can stay in a box Well, they probably are putting a bunch of preservatives and yeah So that would imagine you take it and then take it with you and as long as you eat it within 24 hours It's more dry Because you remember the bites were quite moist and yeah, they weren't dry. No, they were not I mean, you guys say jerky, but it's you're gonna give people the wrong impression. It's not speaking of the small moist bites Are you gonna bring this up finally? I've been seeing this in the notes. I'm like, yeah Yeah, it's like it's like a month since I've been trying to bring this this happened a while ago But there's been like Like protest marches around if you guys heard about this. It's a small Like small dick marches. It's what no. Yeah, they're trying to bring I was the only one that we weren't invited. Come on guys. You're the only one. You weren't there with me Dairy I've been in the lock. You're the only one on that email list, bro I tried to join this Yeah, no, I don't know who started this, but it's like a whole it was pretty hilarious Like the signs alone if you just look it up online It's like all dongs go to heaven and it's it's really just trying to like De-stigmatize like these guys that have like small dicks that really are get shamed for it Doug, you got to pull up a a clip of the so it's a a protest a march It's a march and so like this happened like in New York in LA We have small penises a big hearts. Yeah, exactly Exactly something and they're wearing like hot dog outfits and Yeah, trying to bring awareness to to the fact that, you know, some guys You live in a really they got little shrimps And and and they're proud activists hold small dong march to end shaming Of tiny penises. Wow. Oh my god. Wow. That's hilarious small dick big heart By the way, I'm on the opposite side. We need to bring back more shaming. Justin said that the other day I did say My fit tip like I said that's so long ago. You did a fit tip. Did you see that fit tip? Yeah He's just find some friends that will shame you shaming But I'm gonna tell you something you're gonna want to find some friends that still do it And I'm gonna tell you why it's beneficial for you to get friends and keep it real But I mean like yeah exactly like the the point is you want to have like real accountability With people around you so you know that they're being honest, you know, right? Like that's a better way to say this whole like small penis thing. So I had a buddy Years ago. Oh, yeah, I have a friend Yeah, I have a friend with a really small penis Listen So tell us about this friend. So you've seen me He said tell us about this friend. So listen. Here's no, this is what's funny. I had a buddy This was his strategy. So, you know how guys always joke around. I got a big one He's like, why do you guys do that? He goes say you have a small one and they're pleasantly surprised Everybody knows that I thought that was brilliant. It's not that brilliant. It's obviously smart Yeah, yeah, of course. Is that well known? Yeah. Yeah, it's super well known. You Adam has a book over here You under promise and over deliver. I mean, that's been that's been listen. I'm only the last 30 seconds She's like, well, that was a minute and a half. That's exactly three times as long as you told me Yeah, so this just happened. Was it pretty big dug as far as no pun intended? No pun intended It's actually tiny. Um, it was a small march Is that what it says to you? I heard that they they've been reporting on these things prematurely My dog is not a choking hazard He's even got his handle you see that he's got his instagram handle next to it So you can look him up I did respect the for these guys that actually like go out in public and are having signs and you know like that's pretty There's a girl look at there's a girl with him. Yeah, man. Oh, buddy. Don't bring your girl to that march What's wrong with you, dude? That's hilarious. I love it. Yeah, this so speaking of of penises. I'm have a date night tonight with the wife Yeah, that's right, honey. Hopefully yours gets seen No, so we've been doing this like twice a month where we do Date night and it's such a you have to do this if you have kids, especially if you have little kids There's no spontaneity into date night. It's not gonna happen. You got a baby. What are you gonna do, right? So twice a month we schedule it and what we've been doing is going to like really nice restaurants or, you know, fun experiences Great conversations great connecting tonight. We're not doing any of that. We're going to a bar I have not gone to a straight-up bar With the wife in so long. So we're gonna eat beforehand at home Okay, and then go get go get some drinks. This I find this a weird idea. What why a bar It's so when just what kind of bars whose idea is this yours or hers like a dive bar Are we talking about like a nice swanky? No, there's a nice bar Up in Campbell. I don't know if I should say well, well, it's all right This will air after I'm already there. Vesper. Have you guys been to Vesper? Great Doug remember? Oh, is there last week? Oh, were you? Yeah, oh Having a drink, huh? By yourself no with the girlfriend. Oh, oh, shit. It's on air My goodness It changes his facebook profile doesn't doesn't count. You just broke everybody's heart. That's it. Oh, sorry Too slow to the gun. No, no, no, you're losing done the two wife thing. It's okay. He could do that He's still on that. Don't get him in trouble He's the most loyal man you've ever met. You're like, no, uh, we did this what when jessica and I first started dating I'm not an alcohol guy. I don't like drinking or whatever. She likes different kinds of beers and you guys know this If we go out, she's always like no, I want that. She's like my whiskey friends Oh, yeah, dude. She embarrasses me because not because she's embarrassing because i'm embarrassing because we'll order drinks I just say you embarrass yourself. Correct. Well, he's because the wife ordered some scotch and he's like I'll take the one with a purple umbrella Hey, sweeten it up somehow. You know how many times the waiter Oh, I bet every time gives mine to hers and her to me and we switch that's whipped cream on this No, I'm sorry. I'm I'm the one with the watermelon mojito. She's the one with the Although I will admit where you united stayed out together and we did the same thing I didn't know that was gonna come back looking like that We we had dinner when we were in arizona. Come on, bro. You're the same way you like the fruit What was it? What was it? We had it was like, um, it was a it was a blueberry lemon Yeah, we knew that was gonna happen Hey, it came in like a little martini glass and sugar around the ring So we did this a lot when we first started dating because she would introduce me to like different whiskies and scotch and beers and It's a lot of fun. We enjoyed it and then we went to a couple speakeasies So we found a couple hearing sounds a no, there was one San Francisco There's one. Oh god. Where do we go honey around here? We went somewhere might have been the coolest ones are in chicago. I can't wait to see the guys someday So it might have been in seattle I don't remember what we went to the speakeasy and the the people the bartenders making the drinks are so talented And making these drinks and presenting them like I don't know you could do things like they did with ice and with like rind of the lemon and like a certain Plant and it's really enjoyable jits schools out there, you know for for bartending that like, yeah It's like a lost art though. There's not a lot of really swanky right. It was so fun. What was that bar? We went to austin austin. Yeah. Was it jefferson or some roosevelt roosevelt. Yeah roosevelt Oh, was that the one I remember I think it had a glass of whiskey But they had one of those like clear ice cubes that had was infused with Uh, a couple different um types of fruits that would like as it would melt it would kind of Eminate into the drink. Yeah, so good So what we like to do is we go and then we'll order something different on the menu and share and enjoy and have fun Listen up and so anyway, we're gonna do that tonight. Which which brings me to this. Where's the zbiotic guys? There's none in the back. There's probably one I couldn't assist you with that commercial. You don't need to just keep going. I just keep on going guy Because I went in the back and there's none. So you both you guys or somebody's taking all the justin justin takes it I mean, I'm taking a few but he takes the zbiotic He takes the peanut butter magic spoon. I don't even need it. I mean, I should just leave for you guys I just know that I'm fine, you know, because I'm I'm the real alcohol So katrino, it doesn't actually use it. I she's like she's got a like a an iron liver or whatever like that and it runs in the family Yeah, so she like although I mean I've heard stories before where she did it and then she wasn't feeling so hot I'm like, why do you have to be like the tough girl who doesn't need the zbiotic It's like me. Well, you're like me. You and I will drink a if I'm even thinking about If I am thinking about having that's a but that's also why I've really this is this is why zbiotic has been so big for me Is that I don't always want to get fucked up But sometimes I would like to have a glass of wine with my wife at dinner or enjoy one cocktail and watch a game And I just don't do that because it always throws me off But now with the zbiotic, even if I'm just going to have one or two drinks I can actually enjoy just one or two drinks Obviously if I'm going to get fucked up it's and you have to do that, right? It's but I'll even have it when I'm just going to have a drink or two because even one or two drinks Affects me negatively and if I if I don't have the zbiotic and I don't if I or if I do use the zbiotic I don't have any of those feelings I'm the same way I'm just like you I'm really sensitive to alcohol and if I have a couple drinks I'm not going to have a hangover the next day But I'm going to feel down and a crappy and if I'm going to work out that day you fucks up the workout So that's why I'm annoyed because again, I went in the back and it's there's nothing There's nothing to be found so yeah I meant I meant to tell you that um, I was pretty impressed with the feedback that you got from your Transgender post. Oh, you're talking about the uh the u-pen athlete Yeah, I didn't know you were going to do that and I you know it popped up in my thread and I went Oh, wow, Sal went there and I clicked on it and I read it Well, you know you know present it because I didn't read your posts So Yeah No, you know, it's a really Like this is a platform for pictures You know what sucks about this is that the there's this movement that goes so Far it it's actually gas lighting and it actually hurts the very people that pretend to help So that's kind of what I talked about. So you have this u-pen athlete who was a competitive swimmer when they were Male so they're they're born right male Transition to female Competed as a female and smashed records right destroyed records Oh, the one of the records they broke was by 38 seconds, which in competitive swimming is like crazy It's like outlifting the next guy by 150 pounds. It's just ridiculous And it's really and so then I listened to her in an interview so she got interviewed about This whole thing and she was visibly uncomfortable. You could tell that she was she kind of felt bad about it She's getting a lot of heat which makes me feel really bad for I felt very empathetic And so what what I basically said was this look we created Gender categories in sports specifically To give women cisgender women opportunities to place Get scholarships and also to prevent serious injury in certain sports, right? You're not going to put cisgender women in a boxing ring with with cisgender men or same thing of football or anything with heavy contact Because the risk of injury is so high right and then of course Placings give them opportunities to place like if you look at the records in sprinting or lifting or you know, whatever You'll see that the top women don't even rank Anywhere near where you'll find the men And so that means that there's no opportunities for things like scholarships and placings So that's why those categories exist And the part that annoys me is there's this movement That is you know pro trans rights and what they're doing in my opinions are hurting rights those rights because they're taking People they're putting them in these categories and there's a clear and distinct Biological advantage doesn't matter if you transition if especially if you went through puberty as a male. Yeah Many of those those uh those advantages They're they're there so you can get rid of some of them with hormone therapy But you're not going to get rid of all of them like if you transition me to a female He was a competitive swimmer already as a male. Yes It's not like you transition and then you got into a sport you learn the sport It's like you had been already competing, you know at a higher level when you were Well, look you could put my sister on all the anabolic steroids you want you could put me on Estrogen and testosterone blocker. I'll still be stronger than her. I'll lose a lot of my advantages But a lot of them are permanent and there's even evidence that shows that even if they don't go through puberty That there's still some advantages that just exists on a genetic level And so what that does is it it basically destroys the idea of the category So it's like you either destroy you get rid of the categories let everybody compete together in which case sorry ladies You're not going to place at at all high at all in in competitive sports Or we maintain the categories for the reason why they exist in the first place and don't gaslight everybody This is what damages the The the the trans right movement is that it's it's it's blatant gaslighting. No, no, no There's no advantage. No there of course not. It's it's all the same and anybody with any logic or eyeballs can see like This is that's not true. There's total. Well, you presented it really well because we you typically get You know somebody is triggered and goes and I really didn't see that I only saw I saw one guy on there that uh, you you fired back at but it wasn't he he didn't even come aggressive He was just trying to he said you try to correct you. He said it's such a complex issue And I don't know where I say it's like it's not complex. You have a clear All things being equal because yes, there are women that could out lift me as well But in the same category of of elite athleticism No, it was the guy who the guy who talked about that it's a social construct. Oh, yeah Yeah, but that had no point right. That's not what I was talking about. I'm not trying to debate That was like the only person that I saw that try to take it a different direction everybody else Um, and again, this is why you don't see trans males doing anything like this They're not crushing records because when a woman transitions to a man and competes You're gonna get crushed for the most part just because those inherent even though they're on testosterone and everything Yeah, it's just interesting because it's becoming more prevalent, right and like nobody really has uh any Good answers in terms of like how they're gonna structure this going forward You can you can be empathetic and honest at the same time because I have a there's people that'll say like Oh, you know, it's not fair and it's not first of all, it's not fair to cisgender women this there's a this is an assault on them Because that's why those categories concern, right? And we need to get more of those voices to can like that are concerned about that and losing scholarships and all that Like, you know, you have to consider that. I think it's how are you gonna reconcile that? I think it's happening. I think that I mean obviously this is kind of in our space and so We see every time it happens and it's it's it's starting to happen more that the average person Knows more about it and I think you're starting so I think you're gonna start to see So I have some speculation because the olympics just announced that they're eliminating weightlifting One of the core weightlifting boxing. Yeah one of the course Now I'm wondering does it have anything to do with the fact that they allowed that athlete to compete And they got all that blowback and so they can't reverse out So they're gonna start eliminating sports where they just eliminate because it's controversial Well, I mean boxing could you imagine if they if they did this in boxing how how hard it would be to watch Well, was this a vote? Do you guys know or I don't know how they come up with their Has to be a vote. You can't think just bro. They replaced weightlifting with skateboarding and something else It was really weird. Those are two staple events. Like, why would you get rid of those? I don't know. I have no idea. But yeah, I think I think we need we can be empathetic and honest and You know, that's it like feelings matter. But when it comes to objective truth Like this just that's it's a fact. So, you know, we gotta either we keep the categories And we maintain the integrity of why those categories exist or we eliminate the categories It's really the only two options not this gas or you create a new third one. Yeah, you create a new category I would prefer to see that but yeah, that's you need a lot of Competitors, I don't know if they have enough competitors in that direction You would if you made the category you would you would have eventually, right? Yeah, I think but that's the first step So I think that somebody needs to lay that groundwork down because I think that's the only way to really solve it Totally. Hey real quick. Look, you're a fitness and health person, but you like soda. Of course you do. It's delicious Well, you got to try ollie pop. This is a very low calorie Soda type drink that tastes like the sodas you grew up drinking as a kid Except it's actually good for you. 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You will make your body stronger It's not as easy as it looks But it's really good at getting the right and left sides of your body to communicate through Kind of a fundamental, you know, kind of human pattern, right? Where when for example, when you're walking You'll notice that your arms move differently than your legs or opposing to your legs that contra lateral, right? so I used to like to do stuff like this for my clients before we would start to work out And it would help them perform better and exercises that were like split stance or One arm exercises and then there's some core stability Component here because you do have to have good core stability to get the arms and legs to communicate properly You know, that's I think the best way to use it and I've I like to kind of take clients through that Just like a real slow approach with it to make sure they can even maintain that position and and not allow their hips to rotate especially and Get that communication started from right to left as Each intention with the right arm the left leg kind of coming together and forward It takes some some people a lot of coordination That they're not used to which will really help them in terms of their overall function athleticism so There's lots of benefits to it in terms of like a crawling patterns are pretty much of a fundamental human movement That a lot of people just kind of skip through and being intentional with it has a lot of carryover But also I mean you could use these for conditioning as well, which I've done with athletes Uh and it's really difficult after a while to go and extended Length of doing these bear crawls too. So I think it's a really underrated movement. Um, you did a really good video Justin on the instagram, I believe right on a fit tip. Was it a fit tip you did? Yeah, I think I did the fit tip. Well, that was a silly one. I didn't want on youtube That was a little more. Oh, it wasn't it wasn't on instagram where you did the bear crawl I didn't want on instagram, but it was like a silly one where I'm like growling and shit So, um, I mean to answer the question though, like, why don't we see them in a gym? Well one I think they they take up a lot of space right to do like a full crawl Like, you know, if you're gonna go 20 yards, not every gym and you probably Feel kind of silly doing that people feel silly doing the other thing is that I think that they're they're used mostly For conditioning when I don't think that's where the real value is. I think if you watch the video that Justin does If you learn to move like that versus just doing it as cardio Which to me when I see bear crawls done, it's rare and I definitely tell you if I see someone doing them proper I know that they're either a trainer or they got a good trainer who's teaching them that because It's one of the it's like seeing a good plank Yeah, it's like one of those these these fundamental movements that you should probably incorporate into your lifestyle But most people don't even do them properly and then when you see someone who's doing them They you know, they really get it either they've been trained or they're a trainer themselves So I think that's part of why you don't see them in the gym Is because I think people look at them and think they're just a conditioning tool Yeah, and if you're and they're like well, there's I can just get on the treadmill and run on the treadmill Why would I crawl down the middle of the gym? It's just not a sexy like you know I'm not working a specific part of my like exercise that don't necessarily work a specific part of the body Um or make you really tired and sweat often. Do you don't see them in gyms? But I'm glad you said there's a there's a way to do them right when you do them properly Like you could just get on the floor and go But you're not really going to gain a lot of the benefits of how to do a bear crawl properly when you do them Right, you're stabilizing your core. You're not allowing your pelvis just to twist everywhere and you're staying stable as you're moving Now you're getting things to communicate and you're really activating the core Um in a really effective way. So done right. They're really effective done wrong And it's just a way to move. I also think too. It's a it's a great progression from like a bird dog Which yeah bird dogs, you know for your average person you look at that like what's the value there? Like it just doesn't look like you're going to get a sweat or you're really working in kind of strength move, but um, you know that that that communication Right to left and and also the anti-rotational Focus with that is uh a lot of the value of what you're receiving Well, this is why one of my favorite uh analogies ever given on this podcast was the one that sal did almost Five six years ago now when he talked about the you know amp and speakers, right the whole cns thing and this To me, this is a great example. Like how what are some basic exercises that I can do to improve my cns And the the communication that my my amp has to my speakers This is one of the ways for you to invest in that like if you want to work on how Your cns communicates to your muscles and improve upon that doing things like the bird dog Or doing the bear crawl are incredible, but doing them with intent is where the value is not just doing it to burn calories or to sweat if you go into like four Yeah, you lose the value there if you do that But if you actually do it properly then it can really improve on the way that you your cns communicates to your muscles It's no different than taking a hammer and trying to use it on a screw Like can you hammer a screw into the wall you can but it's not going to be nearly as effective if you use like a drill right so Use the right tools for the job and then use them properly And to get the that contralateral communication to get the right kind of core stability It's a great exercise to build a lot of muscle and burn a lot of calories Not really however Does getting your body to communicate better contralaterally does Activating your core in a way where it's more functional and stable during other exercises Could that improve your ability to build muscle and burn your body fat? Yes, and I want to say that because I don't have to sell it right I know people watching are like oh build muscle burn body fat not for me No, you you do these things better Then you're able to do those exercises that are the big muscle builders and the fat burners Much more effectively by the way as far as bird dogs are to interrupt as far as bird dogs concerned You know that was one of my favorite exercises to help people with low back pain if somebody came to me with low back pain Seven out of ten times bird dogs would make the pain Much better immediately. That's such an effective exercise for that Well, those both those movements are I mean, I know you sold it for the fat loss community and the muscle building community But man if you're an athlete that that's a for sure Foundational thing you should be able to do and do well and that will really translate into whatever sports you're doing Because when you're doing sports, that's what you the ability to for your body To communicate from left to right on each side and do that seamlessly is Is only going to improve your body. Yes. Yeah full control the first time I learned this was years I was embarrassed. Well, I wasn't embarrassed. I'm looking back. I'm embarrassed but back then it was such a great learning experience I had a physical therapist. She was so good Her name was Lori and she was phenomenal at what she did and she was she reduced things that sometimes I had no idea What the value was I remember she was training a young athlete And she had this young athlete stand and do a one arm shoulder press with the right arm But as the right arm went up the left knee went up and it went down And I remember watching this as a meathead trainer, right? And I thought what a stupid exercise you can't press a lot of weight Like where's the value in that and and I asked her afterwards What was the value and I respected her enough to ask her so what's the value of that? Because he's not really lifting a lot of weight not building a lot of muscle And she said oh, it's contralateral communication. And I said, what does that mean? And she goes well, do me a favor. She goes walk down the hall But but instead of your left arm moving up when your right leg steps forward move your right arm with your right leg The same together and I was like, oh my god, and she goes now try and walk and run that way And I couldn't do it. She goes that contralateral Movement is so fundamental to performance So what I was training with him was getting that to communicate better because of running and all sort of stuff And when we do the other lifts and I was like, oh, that's absolutely brilliant Next question is from Natalie Lawrence. Is it dangerous for short or slender people to lift weights? I'm 137 pounds and five two and I've been advised by a physio to not lift heavy And by a nurse not to lift at all There must be a way for shorter people to lift without causing joint damage So first off And find another nurse So to be fair, we don't know what the whole situation is. Well, yeah, so if it's like a it's it's an actual physical therapist We don't know what the situation is now nurse has no Knowledge or experience on exercise. So I wouldn't take that advice that being said. Here's the deal Uh Exercise any form of exercise could be either dangerous or very safe. It's so moldable It's how it's applied and isn't applied appropriate It has nothing to do with though your height and being slender or nothing Zero those factors that is not now you're right If she has some crazy condition that she's not disclosing right now Then yeah, but if we're going to go off of the information we have right now And being slender short tall fat wide None of that has anything to do with whether you should lift heavy or not and resist Resistance training is one of the greatest forms of exercise because of how moldable it is I could train a You know, I could train a paraplegic with resistance training I could train a kid with resistance training an old older person a younger person an athlete It's all on how you it's applied Choosing the right movements. Are they stable? Do they own that movement? Is it the appropriate resistance? If you do all the right stuff, it's it's not only is it safe Okay, but you want to talk about your joints you will strengthen your joints They you will improve your longevity will you do it? Yeah first strengthening your joints and alleviating pain and so that's why this this advice is so wrong to me It's just like they're not setting you up for success later on You're going to have all kinds of problems by avoiding it. So this this is the same It's in along the same lines of uh, don't lift weights if you're too young because you're going to stunt your growth Or women shouldn't lift weights. That was around for a long time. No, no of your women. You shouldn't lift weights Absolutely ridiculous the the value that proper application of resistance training Has is literally for everyone in fact When you're think when you're looking at exercise therapy You know pre-surgery post-surgery injury rehab The primary form of of exercise that they use is resistance training now They may not be using dumbbells and barbells, but they're using resistance bands or body weight or control instability But it's all resistance training. It's it's literally the safest form of exercise you could do if applied properly Well and understand too there is a very big difference between lifting heavy and lifting shitty Right, so like if someone yeah, good point a lot of people think that Oh, well the reason why like so i'm assuming the argument that this video has to be trying to say is that oh When you lift really heavy your form is off and then that stresses the joints like that's the only angle I could see them using but well, okay Yeah, so pick a weight that is heavy for you But you can maintain good form right and that is the goal The goal is actually to to lift as heavy as possible with good form And the moment that form starts to waver in the slightest bit then back off and perfect your form But that should be a good goal of yours is okay when I put anything over 100 pounds on my back to squat after anything over 100 I start to notice I shift a little bit or I cheat or I notice that my form isn't perfect Okay, great back it down to 190 get re or back it down to 90 get really good at 90 And then move up to 105 and then 110 like that that should be what your goal is beauty of it It's like you can regress you can progress like and and that's how you have to look at it What can I do under control and maintain good posture good mechanics? Uh and perform this appropriately, but the goal is to increase, you know the resistance to increase the stimulus increase the load So that way you adapt you change you get stronger and you know you you transform Yeah name one condition where getting stronger properly won't benefit it You can't every single condition you can think of or situation because there isn't a condition that exists where someone's too strong Um will improve I remember once I had a client Who came to me who told me it was a woman and she I don't remember the name of the condition off the top of my head But she had a condition where she her Body was super lax. So she was hyper mobile, but she also did no exercise. So she was also very weak This meant that she was unstable and she had lots of pain hip pain Knee pain back pain. I mean this was a woman that could literally she could be a contortionist Just if she wanted to that's how lax her body was So I she came to me. She said I've been told I can't do resistance training because of this And I said no you can we just need to do it appropriately And we cannot challenge your range of motion because your range of motion is so deep and you have No stability for the first time in her life She had found something that took pain away and I'll never forget it was like a month into the training And I shortened her range of motion because again, she was so lax She came to me. She goes, you know Sal for the first time in 10 years My back doesn't hurt when I'm sitting down for a long period of time and she goes, you know I can drive now without my hips bothering me and she's like this is insane I don't know why I've been told for so long that I shouldn't do it. I said I think it's because a lot of the ways that people have observed or doctors have observed people who lift weights First off come to them after they've been injured and so and they're they're they're basing it off of poor Application of resistance training if you do it right like the doctor's not going to see the person hurt themselves doing it Right, right? I think I see all the people that did it wrong. So they're going to view it in that light If you do it properly Again, it is the most applicable safe form of exercise you can do and it doesn't matter how slim Slender or short you are next question is from mica to 448 What are some of the best habits and activities you can Install in your children throughout their development so they can grow up healthier I like this is a like a full on single topic episode. I feel like there's a lot to talk about like instantly And by the way, we're not experts too. This we're we're experts in fitness. This is challenging for us too Oh, yeah, I know and a challenge It's a for sure a learning process for me because I'm in the thick of it right now, right? So I don't I don't know what some of these things will end up happening later I could think of three things right away though that that come to mind one The the decision to not put shoes on max's feet I think was one of the best decisions that I ever made Um, and I and I watched that as he started to go through the walking phase Um, my son really didn't go through that like falling down and hitting his head like literally He's he had one situation where he fell down and hit his head because he had shoes on Katrina put shoes on him early on and was walking with him And he just fell out of it was off balance and fell over and then hit his head and you know a little bit It was on his hairline. So blood came out. It was this big ordeal if you guys remember when that happened That was uh, that was crazy that I noticed what a difference. It's already me now I have no idea what that impact will be 5 10 15 years now if it really if it plays a role in his athleticism or his balance and coordination I don't know but his feet look so strong developed and stable Whereas you see other kids who start walking with shoes pronate. Yeah pronation and they have little little control over their feet Your feet there's so many muscles and nerve endings on the bottom And you cover it's like be like imagine putting gloves on your kids when they were babies How much less articulate they'd be with their hands. Yeah, so that's that's the first one Um, there's one too that I I made like as a role and I totally failed here, right? Or I don't know if I failed I ended up changing right so and now I've learned like I know better now on this podcast To say I'm never going to do this or I'm never going to do that because it eventually Life hits you in the face and you go like oh, maybe I don't want to just be like that and that was uh, the tv thing originally I had this plan that He's not going to have any tv's never going to see the tv on like that I was just going to keep it off until he gets to an age where he even really understands what it is And for the most part I actually stuck to that pretty well Then he got to an age where you know, he was he was interested in it And what it was what I was doing and I had these moments of like on Sunday I wanted to lay around with my son and he's at an age where he'll actually cuddle up next to me and chill for a while I'm like, oh man, this actually sounds really good. I don't want to deprive him that or myself selfishly of that and so I reintroduced it but Making that kind of a rule and being so hyper aware of it early on taught me a lot already about behavior And how uh, how much time in front of the screen really affects his behavior So even though I've I've loosened up on he'll never have any television I I have been I was so A paying attention that's so much that I recognized that man if he gets you know over an hour of ipad or tv time He his behavior and his sleep completely changes like the way he goes down a bed is completely different Then if we have a full day of playing and never doing that So that taught me a lot about how that can affect behavior sleep and everything And so I'm really glad that the third thing for me is the no sugar So and we now have and it's actually kind of cool because We have these moments. There's been a couple times now where I've Katrina or myself has allowed him to taste something That's like we we just just this happened two days ago We were doing uh gingerbread houses with him and we were we were making it and it has the icing And I had it on my finger And I and I let him lick it and he was He didn't want he didn't want anything to do. Yeah, I didn't want nothing to do with it And I'm like, oh, it's so great, right? So and then my mom did the same thing I let her let him try to buy the cookie and he just he had no interest in it whatsoever And we just we we avoided giving him that for such a long time that I actually think that he doesn't even really crave it Now we're still early. I'm only heading into three years old So we'll see what happens when and I predict that like all kids he'll love it He'll want it, but I think because we did such a good job of of limiting how much I don't think he'll have the same pool because one of the the mistakes I see a lot of parents do and I understand so this isn't me at all shaming anybody But they use that as a way to bribe the kid to do what he wants I see this a lot and I see that with the tv too I see the ipad and I see sugar as ways of of bribing and you you have to understand that Even though it's really really young you're already starting to to change their relationship with that thing the reward reward reward Yeah, and so Um, I've avoided that we've avoided doing that like we don't use the television We don't use sugar as a way to reward punish or or or you know, whatever with him at all And I think those are things that uh, I'm glad we're doing you know, you know when you look at the data on this Um, it's actually pretty interesting something like 80 percent of what you do Will impact your kids and 20 percent of what you say will impact them like for example Children who grow up in households where their parents smoke Even if the parents tell them don't smoke it's not good for whatever they're twice as likely to grow up in smoke cigarettes as well same thing with alcohol Bad eating, you know or whatever you want to call it inactivity So and this is a tough one because We often I for me at least I'm it's easier for me to tell like this what you do This would don't do teach you you know verbally and talk about certain things But your kids learn from watching, you know, like, um, I remember I had a client once that was a she was a therapist who specialized in in child therapy And we were talking about like eating disorders and stuff and this is a big one for me because I had body image issues growing up And after I had kids I was like, oh man, I really don't want my kids to have to go through this I'm already in the fitness space. I already work out, you know, they might see that I post pictures of my body or Whatever like how you know, how do I navigate this and She said, you know, um, when I work with kids and their body image stuff Like sometimes it comes from the parents saying shitty stuff to their kids, which is obvious Like I would never say to my kids You're you're ugly. You're fat like that's obvious to me, right? She said the less obvious one is when kids hear their parents talk about themselves So like, you know, what, you know, why did you start doing this? Well, I heard my mom saying how fat she was all the time You know, or you know, and so that's the big one. It's like, okay, you your kids model Whether they even tried to or not. I mean, I'll tell you what You talk to anybody who became a parent themselves and became a little older and what do they always say? Oh man, I'm turning into my dad. I'm turning in my mom. Like I find that with myself I'm like, I got all these traits that my parents have probably because I grew up with that and I saw them doing it And you just it becomes instilled in you. So I would say that's probably the most important thing And that's something that I always that's I constantly get challenged with because I may tell my kids Don't go on your electronics so much and you know, and then I'm on it. You know, I'm on my phone I'm and oh, yeah, I'm working but am I really modeling? What I want them, you know, how I want them to be or you know, how I treat my wife You know, if I could tell my son treat you make sure you treat women this way But if I yell at my wife or I say something condescending to her, you know, that's what he's gonna end up You know learning so I think that's no, it's such a that's the biggest one I'm such a such a good point like that's something that Katrina and I and we actually made an agreement on this before max was born that we would call each other out on certain things like that And one of them was the because I can't just tell him no tv no ipad and then be sitting there on my phone So if we're ever with max that's a that's a rule between her and I is like phone is out If you got to get on the phone, you got to do work business You go somewhere else you walk in the other room, but you don't ever sit with him Why he's playing or doing something and pull your phone out and let him see you do that And and absolutely there's been times where mindlessly one of us does it But the other one always calls that one out so they know and so it's like hey If you gotta go take that call you gotta return something go go away little mirrors. Yeah No, I totally like that's the biggest lesson is that they pick up all your habits They pick up the way that you talk to people they pick up You know the the food choices you make and so it's really just been a reflection on my own What I'm bringing in to the house like so we make sure Which was the biggest thing for us is to make sure we always have like good healthy whole foods around and Less the process stuff. We never even really go buy it And so they don't they just don't constantly have that available. It's just not there And so they they just tend to not make those decisions when they're with their friends quite as much Again, there's their kids where now it's uh, unfortunately sugar is a bit of uh, uh, you know a currency for them And I'm struggling through how to deal with that right now because it's because it's not available Now it's like, oh, where is it if you're at somebody's house? It's like, well, they have sugar You know and they get crazy over it. So I'm kind of working my way on how to deal with that I don't really have a good answer for that yet. Um, but one of the best things that I've done in terms of like health and fitness was to Sort of engineer a way for them to climb and to express You know, they're they're um strength and movement and and challenge them physically And so I I just was always passionate about making sure They're outside and how can I make them do things outside that's going to challenge their body in a certain way? So there's big old trampoline. There's you know, things for them to climb on. There's you know, ropes There's all these so I that was just a big thing for me and then getting them involved in gymnastics was another great Great addition to their their body awareness and and just you know, really enjoying that they can Move in cool unique ways and I think that that's something they can build on You know, I think that was brilliant that you did that because let's be honest at that age They're more interested in play than they are like I want to learn how to do a bench press Or a shoulder press. I mean, maybe you get lucky and your kid wants to do that But their likelihood of that I know I'm like praying that my youngest is like yeah The likelihood of that is probably one in a million but Showing them how they can be they can play and and encouraging physical activity I think that's what you just reminded me of something else that uh, we do So I we have friends that obviously have kids that are older And they the way that and they're very fit, right? And so one of the things that they do is that you know, the dad goes to the gym and then You know wife watches kids and then he comes home and then they switch and they kind of do that And Katrina and I just took a different approach because I I want them just to see us doing like he doesn't have to do it So we bring him to like a lot of times when other than many times when I didn't even feel like working out that time But because she's going to go in the garage and go lift I'll come out there. So it's like a family thing and he's kind of playing and doing a big deal about it Yeah, yeah, we don't even yeah, there's nothing. It's like I put them in the back of the truck And that's like a big playpen so he could watch mom and dad exercising And we just kind of play with him and we'll work out together and so my idea behind that Of course, I don't know how this is going to unfold But my idea behind that is that it's just a part of our life and that he sees it And he picks up on the behaviors and it's not something I have to tell him He has to do or not do it's just that You know, and I want to be careful about come across like we know, you know Raising kids is so hard and they so individual and sometimes they'll have the personality where they're going to rebel So you're modeling these behaviors And they're you know 13 14 trying to figure out who they are and This is very common right oftentimes the kid Will just do the opposite, you know, it's like that What's that one meme where there's like a death metal family? Yeah, and one of the kids is like super clean cut, you know, like he rebels landers Yeah, you know, and it's like that's gonna happen. How do you react and respond? One thing that jessica does so I'll actually give a specific that jessica does it so well This is real hard for me is she does because I have two older kids 12 and 16 So now they're at the age where it's a whole different challenge, right? When especially when you're a teenager, they don't tell you as much They're not as open oftentimes. They're in the room or with their friends Their friends have a bigger influence now over them than you do And so it's like, okay, what do I do? I want to hang out with them They don't want to hang out with them anymore How do I get them to open up like I'll be in the car with my son and You know, we could drive for an hour and a half and he won't say a single word So I want to talk to him. But like what do I do, right? Jessica is very good at this. She's like when they tell you stuff Don't react in a in a in a you know A big way like if your kid comes up to you and says, oh my buddy, you know, he uh, you know, he was smoking cigarettes or something You know or whatever Don't make this huge reaction or oh, yeah, my friend had sex and you know when they're in he's 15 Don't react super strongly because then they're afraid To to tell you and she's so good at this like they'll say shit and I'm inside of my because I grew up in a household We didn't even say the word sex. We didn't say the word drugs. We didn't say we just didn't talk about it Right. So and if I said anything like that my parents would have this and that's why they would have exploded Oh my god, don't do that But Jessica's so good. They'll say shit and inside I feel the turmoil. Oh, I start sweating like what Your friend did what you know, but I don't say anything and she's super like Oh, yeah, you know a lot of kids experiment at that age and that's that's pretty normal and You know, what do you think's happening or how do you feel about and I'm she's so good at it and then what it did is it Opens up like my daughter now talks about Uh, you know, like because she's 12, right? So a lot of her friends are starting their periods and stuff like that and like we never talked about that in the house Now my daughter just comes, you know, she'll tell us stuff and oh my friend did this and this would happen And here's what we found in the bathroom and it's a it's it's so effective at keeping communication open And so that that was you know one big thing But I think the big rocks are this it's just like with fitness There's all these things that could make an impact But the big rocks are the most important thing which is Model the right behavior that has more of an impact than the stuff that you tell them Show them love and create structure. Those are the big things loves if you have a lot of discipline without love That's bad a lot of love without discipline. That's so great Love discipline or structure and then modeling and then just keep caring a lot And then you can sail and do a lot of things that might not be great But if you do those three things, uh, I think you're probably, you know, 99% of the way there Next question is from cam the lamb How do I balance drinking and going out with working on my fitness goals? I really want to get back in shape and go hard But I also love drinking and watching sports with my friends. So it's hard mentally any tips Yeah, I can't wait to hear what you guys are gonna say right now. It sounds fun Well, this has to be one of the most common super common things that you hear from clients Super car. Yeah, totally. And I think I over years my my conversation has changed So I want to hear what you guys have to say like how you would present Oh, yeah, you know the way I used to present. So if you're serious, you're not gonna drink and you're gonna do Really want to cut it out like completely. Here's the bottom line. Okay. Um, you can't have everything Okay, so now this isn't a negative message. This is a positive one. You enjoy hanging out with your friends There's value in that nothing wrong with that. You also like fitness. That's phenomenal Are you gonna get the most fit? Buffed best performance if you drink occasionally eat the occasional slice of pizza with your friends No, who cares who cares because you also like to hang out with your friends So unless you're training for a high level competition in which case I tell people like, okay Well, you want to perform the absolute best on this particular day make sure for the next two months or whatever But look, this is life life is like this. So you enjoy things. That's fine. It's balanced So you're gonna give up a little bit for the other one. Is it all worth it to you? That's up to you. There's no Secret answer. I'm not gonna tell yes zbiotics, for example, will help you with the alcohol. Is it perfect? No, it's not perfect Alcohol still has calories and doesn't eliminate that doesn't eliminate the the fact that you might get drunk and make other You know choices around that just it's just accepted It's not a big deal as long as nothing's too extreme and not hurting yourself with the exercise or the or the drinking It's it's not a big deal. Yeah I mean we have we have short-term goals sometimes and I think there's nothing wrong with Intensifying your disciplines for periods And so I get it like I get sometimes you do want to present your your body or you have the Specific things where you know like if I'm I feel more confident because I have to take my shirt off and I got to kind of You know make sure that I feel good In that opportunity and so I would tighten it up a bit then like that's just one of those things You got to you got to sacrifice your fun a bit, right? And so it's just like this is life is where Do you want to do a sprint right now and really focus on that or you playing the long game? Is this something that is just like a lifestyle thing that you just want to keep in shape? But also have fun on top of that you could totally do that and be flexible with it You just have to know that it is pulling back You know your results a bit, but you could totally like weave that in as long as you maintain your your normal healthy fitness goals and practices and other disciplines throughout the week well You like drinking and watching sports with your friends Are we watching basketball because that's on three nights a week? Are we watching football which is on every sunday and you're doing that so First of all, I'd ask how often is this because And you you have to be very realistic with what your goals are because they're conflicting type of goals One of them is you know, you're pursuing, you know the social aspect of of health And and drinking and enjoying yourself which like sal said I think there's tremendous value in that and I think there's nothing wrong with that too But you also have to be very realistic with what you're asking yourself to do on the physical side too if you are Looking at your favorite instagram person who's got you know six pack abs and Looks amazing and you aspire to look like that and at the same time too You want to drink with your friends every basketball game or every football game on sundays. It's not gonna work Yeah, it's just it's unrealistic to do that and I think that I think why we see this is because we had there's a lot of that Promoted on like social media. You'll see somebody who's got this great physique And then they're only posting these videos of them celebrating and going out and having fun doing this like well, look at see look That's after they got to that Yeah, and you and you don't know how neurotic they are about their fitness outside of that So all use what you don't see is that guy or girl spitting it out Right, or you don't see them getting up every weekend and cooking for the whole week and weighing and measuring and tracking their Calories and then getting on and doing that cardio early in the morning and doing all these other things So they can do that and still maintain this physique and you just got to ask yourself If that's what you want. There there is a there is a balance here I mean, I absolutely Enjoy a drink with my friends and watch a game But I also don't need to do that every single time we sit down and watch a game It's like So you you learn to have a little bit of that balance of like, okay Well, I do love to do that and there's going to be times where you know what I do want to do that My buddies and I we haven't been together and you know over a month It's a big game You know our two teams that are playing against each other and we don't have anything to do the next day It's like hey, let's let loose and have a good time like 100. I'm gonna do that But if I'm seeing my friends every single weekend and we're watching football and we're having beer every single time Is it really that special? Is it really that big of a deal if I sacrifice two or three of those times? Like is it really at that point if you can't have fun with your friends without including alcohol I think you should really ask every time right like every time like that's that's a question You need to ask yourself why yeah, but again, it's all look it's all about but it's so funny too I was thinking right now like Adam and I went to that event in Arizona and We it was like nine o'clock at night and we're both looking at each other like this We should probably not just go to bed and it's funny because People might be like oh, they're so disciplined. They didn't go out and drink with people You see I wasn't there and it's like no It's because we have kids and we're tired and want to go to bed But you know the truth is You know like like as a fitness podcast we had a weed sponsor at one point Okay, we had a cannabis sponsor that a delivery company We will hang out and we'll drink and enjoy ourselves sometimes and and I was so neurotic when I was younger That I kind of learned this the hard way like I learned like wait a minute. That's not really Enjoying life. What was that study? I think came out of stanford that showed that like bad relationships Was bad for your health is like smoking 10 packs is you know 10 cigarettes a day or something like that Yeah, so it's all health But here's the here's the challenge the challenge isn't necessarily that the challenge is the I want my cake and I want to eat it too, but you can't do it all. Okay, you're not going to be 4% body fat You know instagram ready, but also on the weekends you hang out with your friends and your drinks It's not going to happen, but that's okay You know that's okay that you got to be able to to look at the whole thing from a balanced perspective Now if you want to do that Then it's going to mean that you're going to have to cut out a lot of other things that you enjoy In order to look a particular way, which I would argue is a miserable existence. I'm going to be honest with you It's not a very fun. I'm the most neurotic out of all of us here in the studio But I also don't go that extreme because it sucks It sucks to be that extreme all the time you got to find that value for yourself and find that balance Justin was kind of alluding that there's nothing wrong with you saying, you know what the next Eight to 12 weeks. I'm going to I am going to be neurotic. I am going to like I'm going to skip all drinking Okay, social events. I'm going to train hard. I'm going to weigh a measure And I actually think there's tremendous value in doing that and and also asking yourself like This isn't me saying for the rest of my life I remember I was a guy who competed for three years And during that time I carried my Tupperware and missed out on all these you know drinking occasions And I don't feel like I really missed out that much and if you did it forever Right if I did it forever and that was my life I would feel that way But I did it for a period of my time because I had a goal that I cared about more And I knew there'll be plenty of times in the future for me to drink and I had plenty of times of drinking before that So I think there's nothing wrong and I think there's lots of value In you making that sacrifice to get to that point because Once you get to that like that what you were seeking as far as your your your aesthetics or whatever we're we're chasing right now Once you get there And and you find you know what it takes discipline wise sacrifice Consistency wise to get to that place you then can start to do things like adding the drinking in here and there And you can see how much it affects it and you can go see what's worth it Right and then exactly and then you have an eye and that's exactly like is it worth it? I'll to ask you adam You've done this before is it worth it to walk around just for life just for your life Is it worth it to walk around five percent body fell a time? No No, no for the the fuel as cool as it is. Oh, yeah And I've shared on the show before one of the most epic moments ever was The the weekend in vegas when I went pro at it Burned in my brain. It felt amazing to be on top of the world at that moment and to feel that crazy in shape Even knowing that I still no I wouldn't want that all the time because those are those are tiny little sliver moments that you have The rest of time no one gives a shit you're walking around five percent underneath your clothes. No one cares You know I'm saying it so I'm so glad you said that I'm so glad you said that because I think We have this mental image of what you know Looks like to or what it's like to look Fit and healthy, you know what the reality is if you're generally healthy, you're gonna look good You're not gonna be super shredded, but super shredded nobody really cares For the most part anyway except for other fitness fanatics. I'll be honest if I get super shredded, you know People who notice other like fitness maniacs other people are kind of like he's a little too lean I've actually had people tell me that oh if you gain a little bit of body fat You'd look better, you know type of deal when I've gotten that lean So nobody really cares. It's not that big of a deal You can't have it all but so what like think balance is the key This is a lifelong pursuit and this this, you know this dichotomy that we create with ourselves Is like I think it's totally silly sometimes Look if you like our information head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our fitness and health guides They can help you with most of your fitness and health goals. You can also find all of us on instagram So justin is at mind pump justin. I'm at mind pump salin. Adam is at mind pump adam